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Full Show Podcast: 19 October 2026 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Well, good morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to The Working Week. And thank you so
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: much for choosing us. I'm Andrew Dickens in for Ryan Bridge,
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  Speaker 2: who's preparing for a debate on Wednesday. On the program today,
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  Speaker 2: National proposes an exemption to the right to silence when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to child abuse cases. So how do child
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  Speaker 2: advocates feel about this fundamental change to our legal system?
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  Speaker 2: We're going to cross to Europe where French civil unrest
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  Speaker 2: continues to grow and it's Monday. So time for a
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  Speaker 2: political panel. Today, Labour and National tee off on health.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have correspondents from around New Zealand news as it
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  Speaker 2: breaks and you can have your say on the text.
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: 92 92 small charge applies. So it's Monday the 19th
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  Speaker 2: of October and Paris has descended into chaos, burnt out cars, looting,
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  Speaker 2: shattered glass, protests turning violent. Around 550,000 people took to
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  Speaker 2: the streets, 1,800 arrested and it's all over rising fuel prices,
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living and deteriorating public services.
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  Speaker 3: So you're here for your children or for the children
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  Speaker 3: of France?
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  Speaker 2: For the youth.
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  Speaker 4: Because we don't know which kind of future... The.
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  Speaker 5: Police has been really, really violent towards youth, and so
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  Speaker 5: we're here protesting for that, also for the cost of
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  Speaker 5: life right now, for the repression, against the repression, and
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  Speaker 5: against everything the government is doing right now.
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  Speaker 2: So it's all on, and President Macron is to address
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  Speaker 2: the nation shortly. The Interior Minister, meanwhile, is blaming the
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  Speaker 2: far left for the unrest.
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  Speaker 6: Around authorised protests, we've seen vandal groups forming... Hundreds, thousands,
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  Speaker 6: even depending on the location, by very clear order, I've
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  Speaker 6: said it and I'll say it again, of the ultra-left.
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  Speaker 2: And of course his comments were translated. Now, at least
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  Speaker 2: seven people are reported dead after a huge fire at
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  Speaker 2: a Canadian military base in Alberta. Dozens more are injured
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  Speaker 2: after a gas line or well was apparently hit during
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  Speaker 2: a live fire exercise.
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  Speaker 7: The full extent of what happened and the impact is
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  Speaker 7: still very much unclear. We know that around 4 p.m.
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  Speaker 7: local time, this fire broke out. We don't know the cause.
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  Speaker 7: There are high winds in the area, which led it
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  Speaker 7: to spread rapidly. Now, that fire is apparently.
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  Speaker 7: We do know, of course, it is the busiest base
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  Speaker 7: in Canada. There's about 1,000 people there at a time
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  Speaker 7: in an overall town of about 6,000 people.
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  Speaker 2: And to the Vatican, where Pope Leo is back in public,
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  Speaker 2: making his first appearance since lung cancer surgery. He recited
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  Speaker 2: the Angelus Prayer from the Vatican, and he thanked people
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  Speaker 2: for their prayers and their support.
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  Speaker 9: His kingdom does not abolish human roles and responsibilities. It does, however,
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  Speaker 9: cause us to live without compromise, free from selfish ambitions
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  Speaker 9: and unjust motives, seeking above all the kingdom of God
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  Speaker 9: and his righteousness.
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  Speaker 2: And that brings the time to ten after five.
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  Speaker 1: What a great weekend for New Zealand. Olivia Deans came
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  Speaker 1: and shined. She had some technical difficulties. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: it was her team's fault. Nothing to do with the stadium.
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  Speaker 2: The All Blacks, though, back to their impressive steamrolling best.
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  Speaker 2: That was awesome. And Auckland FC, the reigning A-League champs,
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  Speaker 2: beat last year's finalists convincingly. And that's a great result
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  Speaker 2: because Auckland FC lost their two coaches and half their
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  Speaker 2: squad in the off-season. And in that, and the success
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  Speaker 2: over the weekend, that's a parable for the election. So
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  Speaker 2: Auckland FC's new coach is a guy called Pedron Moreira.
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  Speaker 2: He's from Portugal. And after the match, some of the
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  Speaker 2: returning players praised the new coach on the telly last night.
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  Speaker 2: They said that Pedron had studied how the club was
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  Speaker 2: successful over the past two seasons and then continue with
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  Speaker 2: what they did while adding his own touches. Because too
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  Speaker 2: often new gaffers come into a job and they throw
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  Speaker 2: everything out and they impose their methods on whether the
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  Speaker 2: old ways worked or not. With Auckland FC, the old
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  Speaker 2: ways certainly worked. And that is a good lesson for
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  Speaker 2: the people wanting the big jobs in our parliament. Too often,
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  Speaker 2: policies that are working or could work given time are
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  Speaker 2: thrown out simply because of who put them in place
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  Speaker 2: at first. The National League Coalition had a bonfire of
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  Speaker 2: the policies when they came in three years ago, and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I thought they behaved too ideologically. Labour put it in,
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  Speaker 2: we'll throw it out. Chris Hipkins is now saying he's
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  Speaker 2: going to hold on to some of the policies from
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  Speaker 2: this term, and frankly, you can only hope. The point is,
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  Speaker 2: if we're going to go forward, we need to go forward,
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  Speaker 2: but with the best ideas, no matter where they came from.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon this is really popular. National wants to scrap
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  Speaker 2: the right to silence in child murder cases. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: remember the Kahuhis, remember all the silence, remember just so many,
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  Speaker 2: Baby Rude, just so many, Baby, you know, Lady Bank,
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  Speaker 2: just so many stories of kids and people know what's happened,
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  Speaker 2: but then they just refuse to talk because they have
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  Speaker 2: a right to silence under law. So now National's come
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  Speaker 2: up with an exemption plan. I'm going to talk to
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  Speaker 2: victims advocate Ruth Money about this next. It's Early Edition
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  Speaker 2: on Newstalk ZB, 12 after five.
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  Speaker 2: Monday morning and the country's under a huge high and
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  Speaker 2: the weather is great and the time is now 14
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  Speaker 2: minutes after five. So National wants to scrap the right
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  Speaker 2: to silence in child murder cases. if re-elected.
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  Speaker 10: We've had instances where a child has died, has been killed,
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  Speaker 10: no question, and three or four people have been on
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  Speaker 10: the property at the time and have collectively refused to comment.
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  Speaker 2: And that is Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith. Adults present when
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  Speaker 2: a child aged 12 or under is killed would face
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  Speaker 2: up to 10 years in prison for withholding information from police.
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  Speaker 2: So Child Advocate Ruth Money is with me this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Ruth.
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  Speaker 8: Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: This would be news to you, good news to you.
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  Speaker 2: You'd welcome this, wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 8: I absolutely welcome this. These four children, people are getting
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  Speaker 8: away with killing children. It's hardly good enough.
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  Speaker 2: So here we go. We're going to have a fundamental change.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk about this more later, but can you actually
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  Speaker 2: force people to comment? How do you think this is
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  Speaker 2: going to work?
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  Speaker 8: Well, no. So at the moment we have, you know,
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  Speaker 8: obviously the right to silence is kind of enshrined in
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  Speaker 8: the Bill of Rights. So New Zealand, and this is
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  Speaker 8: the problem, New Zealand authorities can't compel people to talk.
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  Speaker 8: And so there's not a lot of detail in terms
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  Speaker 8: of how this proposal would be written. But if you
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  Speaker 8: look at the UK, for example, they have a slightly
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  Speaker 8: different what's called the police caution when you are arrested.
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  Speaker 8: And basically it says that you would be harming or
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  Speaker 8: you may harm your defence. if you choose to rely
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  Speaker 8: on something in court that you don't say now.
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  Speaker 2: Can we talk about that more? Because here the police
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  Speaker 2: arrest you and they say to you, you have the
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  Speaker 2: right to silence and they have a little stick. But
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  Speaker 2: you're saying in the UK they have a different stick
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  Speaker 2: which says you may actually, you know, you may incriminate yourself.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not saying you have a right to silence.
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  Speaker 8: That's right. It says you don't have to say anything,
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  Speaker 8: but it may harm your defence if you do not
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  Speaker 8: mention when questioned... something which you may rely on later
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  Speaker 8: in court. So the difference there is basically that it's
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  Speaker 8: an evidential threshold. And so if New Zealand was to
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  Speaker 8: introduce something similar to that, it means that it could
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  Speaker 8: be relied on. We're basically swapping... How do I word this?
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  Speaker 8: We're kind of reversing the evidential burden of proof. So
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  Speaker 8: we're saying that each person present will be required to
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  Speaker 8: explain what they were doing when the child was murdered.
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  Speaker 2: Been a lot of talk back about this already, and
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  Speaker 2: already people are saying, well, why limit this to children
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  Speaker 2: who are age 12 and under who have been murdered?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a 13-year-old needs advocacy as well.
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  Speaker 8: Look, I agree. My advice would be that this should
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  Speaker 8: be actually significant child abuse, certainly child homicide. But we
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  Speaker 8: also have a number of adult murder cases where the
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  Speaker 8: same thing. There are two people in a house at
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  Speaker 8: the same time. The person is killed, but because they
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  Speaker 8: remain alive, They play off against each other and there
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  Speaker 8: is no justice for that family or that community either.
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  Speaker 8: So it'll be interesting as this progresses.
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  Speaker 2: But then the legal people come out and say, well,
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  Speaker 2: this is the problem. There's a slippery slope. And eventually
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  Speaker 2: the entire right to silence is gone. And then those
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  Speaker 2: people who have been accused of a crime who are
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  Speaker 2: actually innocent and should actually get a right to silence
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  Speaker 2: might not have it. So how do we prevent that
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  Speaker 2: sort of slippery slope?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, of course. And, you know, Bill of Rights and
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  Speaker 8: the right to silence is important. However, the death of
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  Speaker 8: a child is more important. The abuse of a child.
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  Speaker 8: You know, if you think about some of these children,
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  Speaker 8: for example, three months old Sol in 2014, three months old,
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  Speaker 8: head injuries, dies the next day. No one, still no
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  Speaker 8: one has been held to account. Fourteen months old, 20
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  Speaker 8: injuries to her head and neck. catastrophic and fatal head
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  Speaker 8: injury same same thing three days later the police are
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  Speaker 8: all in there trying to sort things out still no
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  Speaker 8: justice for soul baby rue we know so we need
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  Speaker 8: to privilege the rights of these people and certainly these
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  Speaker 8: children who are being assaulted and killed. And literally people
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  Speaker 8: are getting away with murder. There are ways to change it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your advocacy and thank you for your
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  Speaker 2: time this morning. That's Ruth Money. The right to silence
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  Speaker 2: exemption proposed by National is actually legally possible. The right
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  Speaker 2: is one of those broad legal rights that the system
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  Speaker 2: was first built on. It is enshrined, as Ruth said,
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  Speaker 2: in the Bill of Rights Act. But Parliament can, in theory,
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  Speaker 2: pass legislation limiting the right because the Bill of Rights
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  Speaker 2: is just an ordinary statute. It's not supreme constitutional law. Courts, though,
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  Speaker 2: will still interpret laws consistently with rights where that's possible.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to tell you is it's completely doable.
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  Speaker 2: It's not some fundamental constitutional aberration that some lawyers will say.
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  Speaker 2: And I think in its current form, it will be
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  Speaker 2: very popular politically. In fact, I know it. We all
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  Speaker 2: know it. And lawyers, as I've said, say it's some
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  Speaker 2: kind of slippery slope where everyone's rights will be stripped.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that's a gross over-exaggeration and an underestimation
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  Speaker 2: of our common sense.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on Early Edition with Andrew
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  Speaker 2: News Talk ZB. 5.22 and to Europe we go with
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  Speaker 2: our business correspondent, Vicky Price. Good morning to you, Vicky.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: So there's increased optimism for Europe in 2026 from the IMF.
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  Speaker 11: Well, yes, I mean, the IMF has done a bit
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  Speaker 11: of an upward forecasts for the world economy overall certainly
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  Speaker 11: for next year although for this year what they seem
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  Speaker 11: to think is they will be lower than what they
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  Speaker 11: expected well they saw actually in 2025 at 3.1% But
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  Speaker 11: within all that, European countries were not doing that badly, including,
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  Speaker 11: of course, the UK, where they have upped their forecast
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  Speaker 11: for this year to 1.3 percent from 1 percent. So
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  Speaker 11: it looked as if the world economy and Europe as
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  Speaker 11: well were proving a lot more resilient and also Germany
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  Speaker 11: doing considerably better. What we've got now, unfortunately, is we
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  Speaker 11: have all the riots and really turning quite nasty in
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  Speaker 11: a number of places, including, of course, in France. Concerns
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  Speaker 11: about the budget deficit, particularly in France, but also more
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  Speaker 11: widely what, in fact, the costs of borrowing are doing
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  Speaker 11: right now is going to worry everybody looking at inflation.
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  Speaker 11: at where those fiscal projections are going to go. Because obviously,
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  Speaker 11: if your servicing of debt becomes a lot more expensive,
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  Speaker 11: then that's a real issue for the future. France can't
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  Speaker 11: really get its budget through with any ease. It's going
• 12:34
  Speaker 11: to have to compromise. So there are all these uncertainties.
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  Speaker 11: And I think the IMF has said that the risks
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  Speaker 11: are on the downside from this forecast.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, France and Germany have been talking about the EU's
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  Speaker 2: car policy.
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  Speaker 11: Well, yes, that's really interesting because it's been going on
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  Speaker 11: for quite some time and the two were disagreeing about
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  Speaker 11: some of the targets that had been set on net zero.
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  Speaker 11: So what seems to be happening now is that they
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  Speaker 11: have between them anyway and probably will become then European
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  Speaker 11: policy to reduce quite a lot of the expectations of
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  Speaker 11: what emissions might need to be reduced by. But 2035,
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  Speaker 11: which was the original expectation, it was something like 90
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  Speaker 11: percent reduction was expected in CO2 emissions from new cars
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  Speaker 11: from Europe compared with what they were in 2021. Well,
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  Speaker 11: that is a difficult one to achieve. And finally, it's
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  Speaker 11: been recognized that this is the case. So what we're
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  Speaker 11: seeing is that all that is getting pushed to a
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  Speaker 11: later date. We don't actually know which later date. And
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  Speaker 11: also there is some agreement to really become a little
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  Speaker 11: bit tougher with external competition and look again and how
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  Speaker 11: the buy Europe policy might work, particularly in the car industry.
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  Speaker 11: So that all stems, of course, from concerns that the
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  Speaker 11: car sector has been quite badly affected by competition from
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  Speaker 11: China and particularly from China, but also from elsewhere. And
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  Speaker 11: And the costs are rising. And I think that is
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  Speaker 11: the reaction. And the question is, will it become EU policy?
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  Speaker 11: There is, I think, probably a hint that this will
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  Speaker 11: be the case, but it just remains to be seen.
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  Speaker 11: But it does suggest that the concern is there. And
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  Speaker 11: steps need to be taken. And it looks like they
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  Speaker 11: are finally leading to unified response from Germany and France,
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  Speaker 11: which so far had not been forthcoming.
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  Speaker 12: Very good.
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  Speaker 2: And I thank you so much. That is Vicky Price.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have more on the French unrest with Gavin Gray
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  Speaker 2: out of the UK. And as Vicky mentioned, UK growth
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  Speaker 2: better than expected in August. Small rise against the forecast
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  Speaker 2: for one rises raises UK growth to one point three
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  Speaker 2: for this year from one lowers it next year to
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  Speaker 2: one point two percent. Those are numbers that are far
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  Speaker 2: less than New Zealand, by the way, so we're actually
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  Speaker 2: doing pretty well.
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  Speaker 8: It's 5.25.
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  Speaker 2: News Talk ZB, I'm Andrew Dickinson for Ryan, who's preparing
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  Speaker 2: for a debate on Wednesday. More on that later in
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  Speaker 2: the week. So, to the split voting thing. In the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: papers were full of full-page ads paid for by Group Kodasi-R. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this appears to be the vessel for Don Brash and
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: Nick Mowbray to promote their tactical voting tactic to create
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  Speaker 2: an overhang that could benefit the centre-right. I've already said
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it. The same way Don Brash doesn't
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  Speaker 2: like John Key telling people how to vote, I don't
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  Speaker 2: like people telling people how to vote. And, of course,
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  Speaker 2: their platform, this is Don and Nick, benefits in that
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  Speaker 2: they have the money to buy the ads, so they're
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  Speaker 2: out there trying to influence voters. Now, people have accused
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  Speaker 2: me of not liking it because Don and Nick are
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  Speaker 2: trying to benefit the centre-right. No, I don't like the
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  Speaker 2: way Te Pati Māori are doing it either. And if
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  Speaker 2: the left were to do it, I wouldn't like it
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  Speaker 2: as well. If, say, Jim Anderton... who was a multimillionaire socialist,
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  Speaker 2: had tried it back in the day, I would have
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: called that out as well. And now, of course, National
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: has said the sweetheart deal with ACT in Ebsen is over. Again,
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  Speaker 2: they're telling people how to vote. And they have been
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: telling people to vote for David Seymour for ages now.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: So they're all as bad as each other. And the
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: problem with MMP is that we have two votes. So
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  Speaker 2: we use our first and then we actually play around
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  Speaker 2: with the second. So I actually looked over the weekend
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  Speaker 2: at what might happen if we had just one vote
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  Speaker 2: that counted for both the electorate MPs and the list
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  Speaker 2: MPs to create a proportional parliament. Could it work? Will
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  Speaker 2: there have been studies? Yes, it could. It's not as subtle.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit simplistic. And it could still cause an
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  Speaker 2: overhang if parties win more electorates than their national voting
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  Speaker 2: share entitles them to. But not having the second vote
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  Speaker 2: would certainly stop all this jiggery-pokery and attempts to game
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  Speaker 2: the system which seems somewhat undemocratic to me. So all
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: of a sudden we've got headline after headline over staff
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: shortages in our hospital season. The question remains always whether
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: we have a real crisis or whether it's just election
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: season and people are making political points. But the latest
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: is out of Wairau Hospital, which covers Marlborough, where half
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: the hospital's ED are speaking out, saying they're on the
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: verge of collapse. The hospital needs 11 full-time ED doctors.
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  Speaker 2: They're limping along with eight. And there was a great
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: question from the Wairoa ED about, it went, how can
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: there be no money for full-time guys when there's money
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: to cover locums? Good point. The Health New Zealand spokesperson
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: says they want to get ED workers who have skills
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: in other areas. Great, that's looking for unicorns. But health
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: is on everyone's lips. It always is, by its very nature.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: It's a money pit and a rustery nightmare. So we're
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: talking health with our health panel, Simeon Brown. and Aisha
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  Speaker 2: Varel join me together in 15 minutes' time. News is next.
• 17:32
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• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. Good morning and welcome to your Monday. I'm
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Andrew Dickens in for Ryan Bridge. Yes, our panel, our
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: health panel with Simeon Brown and Aisha Verrill in about
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: 15 minutes time. Text from Zane. Like on nationals, you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Removing right to silence in child abuse cases. Overwhelming support
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: on the text, and I've seen it all night long
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: as well. Except for Zane, who says, what a bunch
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: of BS. What if you truly don't know anything? You
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: could incriminate yourself in the stress of the situation and
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: go to the jail on the basis of an error.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: And Zane believes the right to remain silent should be
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: part of a New Zealand constitution. And the fact that
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: we don't have one is a travesty. And here's the thing.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It says you just can't be silent. You still have
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: to talk to the police rather than saying, I'm invoking
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: my right to silence. I won't even talk to you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: In that case, you won't incriminate yourself, and if you
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: know nothing, you know nothing. And it's completely legal to
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: change it because the Bill of Rights is a statute
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and not part of a constitutional law. Because, Zane, you're right.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: We don't have a constitution. It is 22 to 6
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: around the country we go. Callum Proctor out of Otago. Hello, Callum.
• 19:07
  Speaker 10: Morning, Andrew.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: So why is Benedict Dong, the councillor, in the news again?
• 19:12
  Speaker 10: Well, he's vowing to quit at the end of the year.
• 19:16
  Speaker 10: That's the latest from our embattled Dunedin City Councillor. This
• 19:20
  Speaker 10: if he fails to win the Dunedin electorate as an
• 19:22
  Speaker 10: independent MP. He's posted this promise on his Facebook account.
• 19:27
  Speaker 10: Benedict Dong blames what he describes as coordinated political attacks,
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: including a trespass notice barring him from the University of
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: Otago for making his city council role untenable. He announced
• 19:38
  Speaker 10: his bid for Parliament, you'll remember, last month after numerous
• 19:42
  Speaker 10: controversies since being elected to council last year. He's faced
• 19:45
  Speaker 10: calls to resign over code of conduct breaches. He's now
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: accusing the local... newspaper here, the Otago Daily Times, of
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: portraying him as some kind of perverse monstrosity.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Who needs to stress, Benedict? Turn over a new leaf
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and have a great new life. How's your weather, Dunedin?
• 20:02
  Speaker 10: Starts off fine, but showers this afternoon. South-west still leads
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: to the high 21.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: To Canterbury we go. Claire Sherwood, good morning to you.
• 20:07
  Speaker 13: Good morning.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: So Winston says Canterbury needs rail. What does Canterbury say?
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: Yeah, look, the prospect of this commuter train idea returning
• 20:15
  Speaker 13: to Canterbury is picking up speed, but many think the
• 20:18
  Speaker 13: policies need to go further. As you say, New Zealand
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: First has pledged a year-long trial of services from Rolleston
• 20:24
  Speaker 13: and Rangiora into Christchurch, saying it would be more useful
• 20:27
  Speaker 13: than an expensive study on whether the services are viable.
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: Save Our Train Southern spokesperson Dave McPherson says the length
• 20:34
  Speaker 13: of the trial could be negotiated as there is little
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: point upgrading the infrastructure for only 12 months. He says
• 20:40
  Speaker 13: the Hamilton to Auckland train had a five-year trial alongside
• 20:44
  Speaker 13: some other long-distance bus services. NZ First have also joined
• 20:48
  Speaker 13: with the Greens in supporting reinstating the Southerner, that's the
• 20:51
  Speaker 13: one from Christchurch to Dunedin and Invercargill. McPherson says their
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: support is great, but they're still waiting for the other
• 20:58
  Speaker 13: two major parties to get on board too.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: How's the weather today?
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: A bit of.
• 21:02
  Speaker 13: Fog around early today. Should clear to fine afternoon. Sea
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: breezes a high of 20.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: To Wellington we go. Good morning, Max Toll.
• 21:09
  Speaker 14: Good morning.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: So you've got the figures. Public sector contractors' spending is
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: rising again.
• 21:14
  Speaker 14: Yes, story in the Post this morning, consultant contractor spending
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: in the public sector climbing by $ 57 million in the
• 21:21
  Speaker 14: past financial year, over $ 1. 3 billion. I think worth mentioning, though,
• 21:26
  Speaker 14: this does seem to be a rather minor blip. It
• 21:28
  Speaker 14: was $ 2. 1 billion, for instance, under Labour in 2022-23. So
• 21:33
  Speaker 14: it is down considerably since then. But in terms of
• 21:36
  Speaker 14: what's creeping back up, the Ministry of Education especially, Oranga Tamariki,
• 21:41
  Speaker 14: contractor spend as well, In response to such numbers, Public
• 21:44
  Speaker 14: Service Minister Paul Goldsmith says constant vigilance is needed. The
• 21:48
  Speaker 14: union says the creep back up maybe because perhaps we've
• 21:52
  Speaker 14: been laying off a few too many staff.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Well, this always happens. We cut the public sector spending
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and then they actually spend the same money on contractors.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: So there's a thing. How's your weather?
• 22:01
  Speaker 14: Yeah, mostly fine. Northerly 16.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And to walk and we go. Good morning.
• 22:06
  Speaker 14: Good morning.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, surprise. This is news to me. We've got a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: new oil refinery.
• 22:09
  Speaker 12: Refinery.
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: Correct.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 22:11
  Speaker 15: So this is Glide's Pukekohe facility. Now, it's converting waste
• 22:15
  Speaker 15: oil to a base lubricant oil as an alternative to
• 22:18
  Speaker 15: burning it. So taking away the need to refine new
• 22:21
  Speaker 15: oil from crude. Now, the waste oil is collected from
• 22:24
  Speaker 15: small garages, major motoring networks, your workshops, your industrial complexes
• 22:29
  Speaker 15: right around the country. General Manager John Knox says this
• 22:33
  Speaker 15: could save up to 100,000 tonnes of carbon emissions every year,
• 22:37
  Speaker 15: each year. So he says it's also creating another value
• 22:40
  Speaker 15: stream by allowing the resource to be recycled time and
• 22:43
  Speaker 15: time and time and time again. So lovely positive story.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It is a lovely positive story. And how's Auckland's weather?
• 22:49
  Speaker 15: Cloudy, 19 to high today here, Andrew.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And I thank you for your time today, 19 after 6.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Here's some of the texts in support of the removal
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: of the right of silence in child abuse cases. Why
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: has it taken so long, writes Linda? How many children
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: does it take? Grant says withholding information on a kiddie's
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: murder should be a life sentence as well. I mean,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: it goes on and on. This is a very politically
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: popular policy, and you'll have more coverage on this and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the legal ramifications with Mike Hosking after six o'clock this morning.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: But next, Gavin Gray from the UK, as France is
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: really in the middle of some quite serious unrest.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: International Correspondence with NZI Insurance. Peace of mind for New
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Zealand business.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Just a reminder, our panel on health is just moments away.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It's Simeon Brown and Aisha Vero, but first to Gavin
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Gray in the UK. Good morning to you, Gavin.
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: Hi there.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: So, how's France? France.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Well, pretty much the main cities all bearing the scars
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: of rioting. We've been reporting for the last few weeks
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: about how the students have been protesting about underinvestment in
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: education as they see it. But there was a massive
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: demonstration across several cities. 550,000 at least took part. 1,800
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: people arrested. 500 police officers, gendarmes, firefighters injured. The unrest
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: was really pleasant. And when I say across several cities,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I do mean that. But, you know, at the center,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: like always with these things, is the capital city, the
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: main street, the Champs-Élysées, so famous, so beautiful with all
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: the main stores everywhere. Cars set on fire, shops smashed,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: including the designer stores Ralph Lauren, Gucci and Versace all
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: had damage there. And many areas sprayed with graffiti, tax
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: the rich, eat the rich. This isn't so much now
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: about students and about education. This is about the cost
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: of living crisis. This is the high price of fuel.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: And these are very dissatisfied people. And of course, in April,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: President Emmanuel Macron and the country going to an election.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: President Macron due to address the nation actually in just
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: a few minutes time now after what have been described
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: as one of the worst outbreaks of disorder in modern
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: French history.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Macron has been holding an emergency meeting
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: on those protests. We await his word. Meanwhile, there's also
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: riots happening in Albania.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Same sort of thing, actually, Andrew. I mean, I won't
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: go through all the costs of living crisis again, but
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: it is exactly that. Plus, in Albania, there is the
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: distinct feeling that the government and in particular the leader,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: the prime minister, is frankly on the take. Those are
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the allegations, something which, of course, they deny. But masked protesters,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: many of them high school, university students, hurling rocks and
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: petrol bombs at police officers. who were trying to defend
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: the education ministry. Again, this started off with students, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: it took place right in the center of Tirana, the capital.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: And that marks the fifth day of rioting, or fifth
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: day of pitched battles, as they're being described, in a row.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Many of the protesters in central Tirana wore gas masks
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: or face masks. trying to cover up their identity. And
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: the petrol bombs exploding again, really unpleasant scenes. And we've also,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: of course, already had troubles. We've been reporting in Spain
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: and Portugal and many people beginning to think this is
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: really going to be a winter of discontent for many
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: of Europe's biggest economies.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Kevin, I thank you for your time. It's 13 to 6.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Obviously it's election season and we on Mondays are having
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: many debates on issues and we had one last week
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: and this week we're going to do health. So joining
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: us right now is Simeon Brown, Health Minister, and the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Labour Party Health Spokesperson, Dr Ayesha Vero. Good morning to
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you both.
• 26:35
  Speaker 16: Good morning.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: All right, Simeon. Staffing. We've got Starship, now we've got
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Marlborough ED. What are you going to do about staffing
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: and staff shortages?
• 26:44
  Speaker 16: Well, our focus is on reducing wait times and wait
• 26:47
  Speaker 16: lists in the health care system. We've put record funding
• 26:50
  Speaker 16: into health care under the national government. We've reintroduced the
• 26:54
  Speaker 16: five health targets which Labour removed, and we're seeing year-on-year
• 26:58
  Speaker 16: improvement against all of those health targets since we've come
• 27:00
  Speaker 16: to government. We've made a big focus on recruitment and
• 27:05
  Speaker 16: increasing staffing, and that has been seen with 2,100 additional
• 27:09
  Speaker 16: nurses being hired by our health system since we came
• 27:12
  Speaker 16: to government, 900 additional Doctors, we acknowledge there is much
• 27:16
  Speaker 16: more work to do. Many of these roles are often
• 27:20
  Speaker 16: specialised roles, and our focus is continuing to recruit to
• 27:24
  Speaker 16: the front line, focusing on reducing wait times and wait lists,
• 27:28
  Speaker 16: and making sure patients get the quality health care they
• 27:31
  Speaker 16: need and deserve.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Aisha, have they been hiring staff, and how would you
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: deal with it?
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: No, there's been a hiring freeze in place in Health
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: New Zealand, and over the last two years, the government's
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: only hired the equivalent of 54 nurses nationwide. And what
• 27:50
  Speaker 12: the minister claims there, that there's 2,000 nurses, those are
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: all people who were recruited and their positions funded under Labour.
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: Since they've come in, the first thing that it has
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: been hiring is nurses. That's been in place for two years.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: OK, good. Are you sure? How would you deal with it?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: What would you be doing now?
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: Well, we'll offer every eligible New Zealand graduate nurse a
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: job in our health system and would make sure that
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: the numbers that are currently needing to go over to
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: Australia because they can't get jobs here have a future
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: in our health system. And that's really important. That'll set
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: us up for sustainable growth of our nursing workforce over time.
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: And we also won't do what this government's doing, which
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: is cutting the number of nurses who are allowed to
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: go into training. We should be training the number of
• 28:39
  Speaker 12: nurses we need so we don't have these sorts of
• 28:43
  Speaker 12: cuts in departments on the edge of collapse.
• 28:48
  Speaker 16: Well, Andrew, we're hiring the highest number of graduate nurses
• 28:51
  Speaker 16: in Health New Zealand history.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: OK, well, here's another one. All right, OK, for Simeon
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and for both of you.
• 28:57
  Speaker 16: And also, the other point is, she said to the
• 29:00
  Speaker 16: papers last week, actually, She expects Health New Zealand and
• 29:04
  Speaker 16: the TEC to work together around what's the safe number
• 29:07
  Speaker 16: of nurses that can be trained. That's basically what they're doing.
• 29:09
  Speaker 16: It's a clinical decision. That's the work that's underway. I
• 29:12
  Speaker 16: expect as many nurses to be trained as can be
• 29:14
  Speaker 16: clinically trained each year.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: All right, Simeon, here's another one for you. No, Aisha. Simeon, 35%
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: of GPs intend to retire within five years. Have you
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: got a plan, Simeon?
• 29:26
  Speaker 16: Well, we've released last year's budget, our primary care tactical
• 29:29
  Speaker 16: action plan, which has a whole range of initiatives. It
• 29:32
  Speaker 16: includes the new Waikato Medical School, which has a particular
• 29:35
  Speaker 16: focus on training the GPs that we need for the future.
• 29:39
  Speaker 16: particularly in rural and regional New Zealand, where it's hardest
• 29:43
  Speaker 16: to get access to GPs. That plan also includes supporting
• 29:48
  Speaker 16: overseas trained doctors who are already working in New Zealand
• 29:50
  Speaker 16: but don't have their qualifications recognised to actually get into
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: the healthcare system, training 120 nurses to become nurse practitioners
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: each year working in primary care, and a whole range
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: of other.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Initiatives that we've got underway.
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: We've got a lot of actions underway, a.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Lot of work to do. Ayesha, how are you going
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to find these doctors, these unicorns?
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: Well, I had a career training, you know, doctors before
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: I came into Parliament and... the great job that our
• 30:19
  Speaker 12: medical school is doing needs to be scaled up. I
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: increased the number of doctors of places in medical school
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: when I was Minister of Health. I'm pleased the government
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: has continued to make further increases and Labour supports there
• 30:32
  Speaker 12: being a third medical school as well. The fact is
• 30:34
  Speaker 12: from 2029 onwards, there will be increasing numbers of doctors
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: entering our workforce and I want to make sure that
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: the most attractive career for them is in general practice
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: so that there's more doctors working in the community any
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: of the care you need before you need to go
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: to hospital.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: All right, for both of you, ACT has announced to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: spend $ 400 million to retain more doctors. Is that a
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: good policy, Simeon, and would you support it?
• 30:59
  Speaker 16: Well, we've made record increases in investment into primary care
• 31:05
  Speaker 16: since we've come to government, and it's been about making
• 31:08
  Speaker 16: sure we do stabilise funding for primary care. It is
• 31:12
  Speaker 16: it's really important that we do make those investments. Of course,
• 31:14
  Speaker 16: we'll continue to make investments to continue to put more
• 31:17
  Speaker 16: money into primary care so that they can be an
• 31:21
  Speaker 16: attractive place to work, that our GPs are well remunerated,
• 31:26
  Speaker 16: and that we can also make sure that people get
• 31:28
  Speaker 16: the timely access to appointments that they need. Look, I mean,
• 31:32
  Speaker 16: we've been doing that in government and we'll continue to
• 31:34
  Speaker 16: make investments.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Ayesha, would you support ACT's policy, $ 400 million to retain
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: more doctors, or do you think your free GP visits
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: policy is more effective?
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: Well, the GP visits comes with over $ 500 million a
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: year of additional funding for general practice. But I'm not
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: opposed to the direction of funding general practice more, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: I'd do it in a different way from what ACT's proposed.
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: It shouldn't be a matter of making your case to
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: politicians in order to get your service funded. we'd like
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: there to be an independent pricing authority where there's an
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: evidence-based assessment of how much general practice needs. Because the
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: fact is, for the last 20 years, they've been underfunded
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: because it's essentially been a matter of making their case
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: to a politician to get funded. I'd like their funding
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: to keep up with their costs, and that means having
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: an evidence-based assessment each year.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Aisha Verrill, I thank you for your time. Simeon Brown,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I thank you for your time. And the text on
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: that last point, a number of texts are already saying,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: wouldn't it be great if health was actually a bipartisan
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: issue and was not politicised? We'll have another debate like
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: this next Monday. It is now seven to six.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Before the news breaks, hear it first. Andrew Dickens on
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: early edition with Spark for Business, technology that keeps business moving.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: News Talk ZB. It's always good to have some good
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: news to start the week and to hear some good news.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Each year, Time names 300 of the world's most impactful
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: products and ideas. And last year, Holter made the list,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: which is a fantastic piece of kit, Holter. This year,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: another New Zealand product called Leaf. has made the list,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: and it's a thing that's made out of alfalfa grown
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: in Canterbury, New Zealand, and it's got just loads of
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: protein about it. And you'll hear more after six this
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: morning with Mike Hosking, who joins me now.
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: Hello, Mike.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: You will. It's an extraction from lucerne or alfalfa, and
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: it's a heavyweight protein thing.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Tried it?
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: No.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know it existed, which will be the–
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: they'll be thrilled about Time magazine. So you buy a
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: pouch of this stuff, and you just– And there's your protein.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: 18 grams of protein in one. A lot of protein.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: And, you know, so there's a million people. The guy
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: who's behind this was behind Sinle.
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of bright people out there in
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: the rural slash provincial. When did we get invested in it?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Well, you could.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Now, there's an interesting point. So a number of people
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: did invest in it. They had a multimillion dollar raise.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: One of the people who got in early was ACC.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: You know, ACC run their own fund. What about me?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I'm still waiting for lodestone shares.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: You could have been.
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: I am.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: You could have applied for that.
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: I have.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And you could have applied for leaked as well.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: So anyway, we'll talk.
• 34:09
  Speaker 14: We'll ask.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, they may need more money.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: They may be on an expansionary path.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: And that's good. That's good news. Mike Hosking. Thank you
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: so much, producer Kenzie. Still our producer, Sam. See you tomorrow.
• 34:24
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• 34:27
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