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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:06S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced God, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:21S2: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and crew. I had heard about, uh, hallucinations.
- 0:53S5: But I had never encountered it before.
- 0:57S3: Sure. You see the things in like cartoons, the guy
- 1:00S3: in the desert and he sees the oasis and he
- 1:02S3: starts to walk towards it, and then it's just more sand.
- 1:05S5: Yeah. And the reason you have those cartoon strips is
- 1:08S5: because it's real. Uh huh. Hallucinations happen, and they usually
- 1:12S5: happen in endurance type situations where you're walking across a desert,
- 1:17S5: you're parched and you got no water, and all of
- 1:19S5: a sudden you're seeing stuff because you want to see
- 1:21S5: it so badly. Well, here I am coming off Blueberry Hills.
- 1:26S5: I'm probably 850 miles into the Iditarod Trail sled dog
- 1:30S5: race when I was 18 years old back in the day.
- 1:34S5: And Blueberry Hills are famous for a little, but obviously
- 1:38S5: there's no blueberries in the dead of winter up there,
- 1:40S5: but they're still called Blueberry Hills. And I had ascended
- 1:45S5: coming out of the village of Unalakleet and gotten up
- 1:49S5: to the elevation. I think it's about 1000ft. And then
- 1:52S5: you quickly descend on back down onto the Norton Sound,
- 1:55S5: onto the sea coast, headed for the village of Shaktoolik,
- 1:59S5: and I'm sleep deprived. Horribly. I'm hungry. I know my
- 2:04S5: team is hungry. They're tired. They're just great dogs. They
- 2:08S5: were doing such a good job on that trip. I'll
- 2:10S5: never forget that stretch. But as we landed onto the sea,
- 2:15S5: ice kind of touched down at sea level again. I
- 2:20S5: started looking for Shaktoolik. That's the next village. And I
- 2:27S5: had heard that this is like the longest stretch because
- 2:30S5: it feels like it goes on and on and on,
- 2:32S5: because it's straight and it's flat and it's just out there.
- 2:36S5: And then thank the Lord I saw it, there was
- 2:39S5: shaktoolik and as I got closer, I could not only
- 2:43S5: see the village and all the buildings and the homes.
- 2:49S5: I saw a guy then standing out front and he
- 2:51S5: was chopping wood and there's smoke coming out of a chimney.
- 2:55S5: So I'm like, What I'm going to do here is
- 2:57S5: stop my team, put my snowhook in. And I did,
- 3:00S5: and snowhook emergency brake. I stomped it into the sea
- 3:03S5: ice and I talked to my dogs. I said, I'm
- 3:07S5: going to go find out where the checkpoint is, guys.
- 3:10S5: And as I stepped away from my team toward this
- 3:13S5: guy standing outside this home, poof, he was gone. Village
- 3:19S5: is gone. Everything is gone. And you might be saying
- 3:24S5: right now, Karl, you were losing your mind. And in truth,
- 3:26S5: I probably was.
- 3:27S3: In that moment. You were deprived of sleep, of food, probably.
- 3:31S5: Yeah. I mean, I was, and I was chomping at
- 3:34S5: the bit to see shaktoolik.
- 3:36S3: Yeah, you need to.
- 3:37S5: Do what I could see. That's a hallucination. And boy,
- 3:44S5: it was, it was so wild. I walked back to
- 3:46S5: the sled. I said, guys, we got to keep going.
- 3:49S5: And I'm trying to compute what's going on. And all
- 3:52S5: I see in front of me now is this huge
- 3:55S5: cold expanse of ice and sea, coast and a little
- 3:58S5: trail and nothing winds blowing. And I mean, it was eerie.
- 4:07S5: Spiritual hallucinations are real. What do I mean? You see
- 4:15S5: something in yourself that isn't there. That's scary. And Jesus
- 4:28S5: didn't shy away from how scary it was. I mean,
- 4:32S5: he said it not only in the sermon on the
- 4:36S5: Mount by way of parable. In Matthew 25, he tells
- 4:41S5: three stories about people that have a hallucination of salvation,
- 4:47S5: thinking they see something in themselves that is not there.
- 4:52S5: ten bridesmaids tells this story. Man waiting for the groom
- 4:57S5: to come. Groom's not coming. It's taken a while. All
- 5:01S5: ten are like, wow, it's taking a while. Everybody's dozing
- 5:04S5: off at midnight. Boom. Trumpet sounds. Here he comes. So
- 5:10S5: all ten bridesmaids have something in common. They're all dressed up.
- 5:14S5: Five are ready to go, five are not. And the
- 5:19S5: audience that Jesus was telling this to would have understood
- 5:22S5: this perfectly well. And it's a terrifying reality that there
- 5:28S5: are five bridesmaids that have lamps that are filled with
- 5:32S5: oil ready to go when the groom comes, and five
- 5:36S5: that are dressed up, but they're not ready to go.
- 5:38S5: They have no oil. And the story goes on to
- 5:41S5: say that these five are scrambling. They're like, hey, can
- 5:45S5: I get some oil from you? But the five bridesmaids
- 5:48S5: with oil in their lamp, they're like, no, I mean,
- 5:50S5: this is for me. You can't ride on the coattails
- 5:54S5: of my oil here in the last moment. And Jesus
- 5:59S5: says in Matthew seven, many will say to me on
- 6:02S5: that day, Lord, Lord, and he's going to say, I
- 6:04S5: never knew you depart from me. And these are not
- 6:07S5: atheists or agnostics or not shaking a fist at God.
- 6:11S5: These are religiously active people that even did mighty works
- 6:15S5: in the name of God, meaning translated for today. They
- 6:20S5: have the hallucination thinking that because they are going to
- 6:26S5: a church and maybe even active in that church, they
- 6:32S5: do not stand with God and God does not stand
- 6:34S5: with them. And you might say, and I could understand this,
- 6:38S5: you're going. Come on. Well, how can we know? Well,
- 6:44S5: one of the greatest evidences of knowing that you stand
- 6:47S5: with God is when you get up in the morning
- 6:49S5: and you put your feet on the floor, is every
- 6:53S5: intention of your heart and love and desire to follow
- 6:57S5: and honor God with your life? And by the way,
- 7:01S5: with the resources that God's given you, your time, your talent,
- 7:05S5: your treasure, why would I say that? Why? Why does
- 7:07S5: that need to be ordered? You look at the parable
- 7:10S5: of the talents. What do you find? Well, 1.11.21 got
- 7:14S5: for the guys with two and four, they reinvested that.
- 7:19S5: They they gave it away. They gave away all that
- 7:23S5: had been given to them because they wanted to honor God.
- 7:26S5: The one in fear held on. It's a scarcity mindset,
- 7:31S5: but the one was cast away. You find it repeated
- 7:37S5: over and over again. The apostle Paul tells the church
- 7:39S5: of Corinth, and we find it in First Peter, man,
- 7:42S5: examine yourself to see if you're in the faith. Why?
- 7:44S5: Because a hallucination of salvation is a very real thing.
- 7:52S5: The evidence in Scripture is is a high call. It's
- 8:00S5: not about raising a hand or repeating a prayer. I
- 8:06S5: know because I was one of these. There's some that
- 8:09S5: have walked denial, but they've never followed Christ. That's a
- 8:14S5: big difference. Can there be emotional swings where we're like, yes,
- 8:20S5: I'm all in with Jesus. I'm going for it. And yeah,
- 8:24S5: because the seed on the rocky soil appears at first
- 8:28S5: to be all in but a little bit of hardship,
- 8:34S5: a little bit of something comes and boom, topples over.
- 8:41S5: Can the worries of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth
- 8:47S5: and the desire for other things cause people to have
- 8:50S5: a hallucination of salvation. Can it can it be disguising
- 8:57S5: the fact that, wow, I've never really been in Christ Jesus?
- 9:03S5: Jesus says it's possible. Hallucinations of salvation are real. It
- 9:08S5: was real for me. I had walked aisles. I was
- 9:12S5: baptized as a kid, but I was called out of
- 9:15S5: darkness into the light. February 11th of 1984. A great day, man.
- 9:22S5: And Jesus just said to me on that day, are
- 9:24S5: you done yet? Let me tell you what happened spiritually
- 9:28S5: is a fulfillment of what Jesus said in his first
- 9:31S5: words in the sermon on the Mount. Blessed are the
- 9:33S5: poor in spirit, for yours is the kingdom of heaven.
- 9:37S5: When I realized, man, I am spiritually bankrupt. This isn't
- 9:41S5: about me praying a prayer. This isn't about me walking
- 9:43S5: an aisle. This isn't about me getting baptized. It's about
- 9:46S5: the full surrender of my life to Jesus. Every square
- 9:49S5: inch of me surrendered to him. That's when life became
- 9:55S5: new for me. My own bride. I'm going to have
- 9:59S5: her someday share her story. Raised in church. Preacher's kid
- 10:05S5: laying in bed after years of trying to concoct. And
- 10:10S5: she kind of created her own little personal religion, a
- 10:12S5: little bit of Christianity, a little bit of kind of self-actualization,
- 10:18S5: just laying in bed watching a fly beat its head
- 10:20S5: up against a window. You know how those flies go. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
- 10:26S5: And she's like, she looked at the fly and she's saying, man,
- 10:30S5: if you just go down three inches, you're going to
- 10:32S5: be free. And the Holy Spirit said to her, Janine,
- 10:35S5: you're that fly. We got to go down all the
- 10:40S5: way before we can experience the freedom that is found
- 10:45S5: in Jesus Christ. And the Apostle Paul said, these words
- 10:52S5: are powerful. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus
- 10:59S5: is Lord. Oh, stop right there. That means not that
- 11:02S5: you're adding Jesus to your life, but that he is
- 11:07S5: in full control. He's your highest authority. There is no
- 11:11S5: one but him driving your life. If you confess with
- 11:16S5: your mouth, Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart
- 11:19S5: that God raised him from the dead. It's not something
- 11:21S5: you hold in your mind. It's a heart relationship with God.
- 11:28S5: You will be saved. For with the heart one believes
- 11:33S5: in is justified. And with the mouth one confesses and
- 11:37S5: is saved. You know, we've been going here as a
- 11:45S5: station for 100 years, and God's got us here for
- 11:50S5: this time. And we probably sometimes wonder ourselves, why us?
- 11:57S5: I think one of the reasons is that we live
- 12:01S5: in a time when there is a great hallucination of
- 12:04S5: salvation across our landscape as a nation, for sure. There's
- 12:07S5: no question about it, guys. There are millions of well-meaning
- 12:14S5: people who go to church pretty regularly. Pew ran a poll,
- 12:21S5: found out 24% of our nation associates or would identify
- 12:26S5: as not only Christian, but go to a Bible preaching church.
- 12:32S5: Maybe not regularly, but they would affiliate with that church.
- 12:37S5: And yet only 4% have a biblical worldview and understanding
- 12:42S5: of the deity of Christ, the inspiration of Scripture. And
- 12:47S5: they're in the word, and they want the Word of
- 12:49S5: God to guide every bit of their lives. The worries
- 12:55S5: of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth, and the desire
- 12:58S5: for other things. According to Jesus story of the four soils.
- 13:02S5: That's not a fruit producing life. It's a hallucination of salvation.
- 13:10S5: This attempt to hold Jesus in one hand and keep
- 13:13S5: all your idols tucked up in the other arm. You know,
- 13:19S5: you might have been fooling yourself, but you're not fooling God.
- 13:25S5: And could it be that you're fooling yourself? Well, according
- 13:28S5: to Matthew seven, the many that will say on that day, Lord, Lord.
- 13:32S5: They're surprised at the fact that they're not spiritually fit
- 13:36S5: for the Kingdom of heaven. Wow. And so I want
- 13:41S5: to be really honest with you. In the first gospel
- 13:43S5: that was ever written, we find that the disciples were
- 13:47S5: sent out to talk about the gospel as it really is.
- 13:51S5: It's a gospel of repentance. It means metanoia. It means
- 13:54S5: to change your mind about who is your Lord, who
- 13:59S5: is your highest authority. If you confess with your mouth,
- 14:03S5: Jesus as Lord means that he has full control of
- 14:07S5: everything about you. It's not. Raise your hand when no
- 14:11S5: one's looking around. That's that's deceptive, man. It's about lowering
- 14:19S5: your heart and humbling yourself under his mighty hand and saying,
- 14:25S5: I'm a sinner. I need a Savior. His name is Jesus.
- 14:30S5: And today I give you my life. And for some
- 14:34S5: of you today, the God of this age has blinded
- 14:37S5: the minds of the unbelieving, even church going people. The
- 14:43S5: Holy Spirit's breaking through. It's like light is shining into
- 14:47S5: your soul. And the cry of your heart right now
- 14:50S5: is I've never been born again. But today I surrender
- 14:53S5: all that I am to Jesus Christ. Awesome. That's why
- 14:58S5: we're here, to help strip down this veil of darkness
- 15:06S5: and to just open the word and go, this is
- 15:08S5: what Jesus warned of. Don't be one of those who's
- 15:13S5: caught saying, Lord, Lord. And he's going to say, I
- 15:16S5: never knew you, and I love you enough to tell
- 15:19S5: you the hard truth until you can say, Jesus is
- 15:25S5: my Lord. We're not fit for the kingdom of God.
- 15:32S5: Today I appeal to you. Today is the day of
- 15:35S5: salvation for you. The God of this age has blinded
- 15:38S5: the minds of the unbelieving. But today, by the power
- 15:40S5: of the Holy Spirit. For some of you, the Holy
- 15:42S5: Spirit is pulling down this veil of religious activity. He's
- 15:47S5: pulling down the veil of do gooder ism. He's pulling
- 15:50S5: down the veil of comparison. He's pulling down the veil
- 15:54S5: of behavior modification, and he's offering you life abundant today.
- 16:02S5: And please, friend, don't let pride hold you back from salvation.
- 16:08S5: I don't care if you're an elder or a pastor.
- 16:13S5: Don't care if you're a worship leader. The only question
- 16:17S5: on the table today is are you saved? Have you
- 16:24S5: come to grips with the fact that I'm a sinner?
- 16:27S5: I need a savior. I don't, I don't need to
- 16:32S5: add Jesus to my life. I need to give him
- 16:35S5: every bit of my life. Yeah. Is that you today?
- 16:39S3: You know, it took me two years. From the moment
- 16:41S3: I felt the conviction of this passage from to when
- 16:45S3: I gave my heart to Jesus, really, and surrendered to
- 16:48S3: him as Lord and master of my life. I was
- 16:51S3: not promised any of those two years. I'm grateful because
- 16:54S3: it took me that long. I don't want it to
- 16:57S3: take you that long either, because we aren't promised tomorrow.
- 17:01S5: No we aren't.
- 17:02S3: So today, if you hear his voice, do not harden
- 17:06S3: your hearts because we don't know where we're going to
- 17:07S3: be at tomorrow. Don't take longer like I did.
- 17:13S5: Yeah, man, it's a cry of the soul to. I mean,
- 17:16S5: you don't need to be in church. I wasn't I
- 17:19S5: was driving down the road and God just said to me,
- 17:21S5: are you done yet? And you know what God's saying
- 17:23S5: that to some of you right now. Are you done?
- 17:28S5: And some of you are saying, I'm so done. And
- 17:31S5: here's the cry of the soul. Just cry out to
- 17:33S5: God and say, I'm a sinner. I need a Savior.
- 17:35S5: Thank you, Jesus, for dying on the cross for my sins.
- 17:39S5: And today I repent, I turn around, I'm changing my mind.
- 17:43S5: I'm changing the direction of my life. In Jesus is
- 17:49S5: filling your lamp with the oil of salvation. The light
- 17:54S5: of Jesus Christ in you're born again. And the blues
- 18:00S5: are bluer, the greens are greener. Your day has changed
- 18:02S5: because your life has been transformed right now by the
- 18:05S5: power of God. It's a cry of the soul. I'm
- 18:08S5: asking you cry out right now. Wherever you are. Just say, Jesus,
- 18:11S5: I give you my life. The hallucination of salvation is gone.
- 18:19S5: Today I surrender all to Jesus Christ, every bit of me.
- 18:24S5: And here's the great confidence we have. He who began
- 18:27S5: this work in you, he will carry it on to
- 18:29S5: completion until the day of Christ Jesus. And we're going
- 18:32S5: to help you right now. Friend, I don't care if
- 18:34S5: you're driving down the road. I don't care if there's
- 18:35S5: tears coming out of your eyes right now. Grab your phone.
- 18:40S5: If you're on the road, get to the side of
- 18:42S5: the road. I don't want there's no need to be
- 18:44S5: in danger here. Get to the side of the road.
- 18:47S5: Wherever you are. Walking down a path, in your office,
- 18:50S5: in your kitchen, wherever you are. If today is the
- 18:53S5: day of salvation, you've never fully surrendered your life to
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- 20:04S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio. So when I
- 20:08S1: say the word.
- 20:08S5: Boldness, what do you think? Super di first thing comes
- 20:12S5: to mind? Boldness.
- 20:13S4: Courageous. Like someone standing there with their hands on their
- 20:16S4: hips going, yes, I got this. Woo hoo!
- 20:20S5: Like a true Greek. She's got her hands on her
- 20:22S5: hips right now. All right, I say the word boldness.
- 20:28S5: What do you think?
- 20:28S3: I think of someone saying the hard thing. Uh, you know,
- 20:33S3: in front of people that that maybe no one wants
- 20:36S3: to say, but needs to be said and someone's just
- 20:39S3: gonna tough it out and say it. I'm like, and
- 20:42S3: you go, oh, that's bold.
- 20:43S5: Are you naturally bold?
- 20:45S6: No.
- 20:47S5: That was quick.
- 20:47S3: Now, if I if I've ever shown any boldness in
- 20:49S3: my life, it's because of the Holy Spirit in me,
- 20:51S3: because I, I would love to just not ever say
- 20:55S3: anything that rocks the boat. Uh, you know, I, I
- 20:59S3: start so quick insight to Jonathan.
- 21:02S5: I want it, man.
- 21:02S3: So I used to if I, you know, because we
- 21:06S3: all as a team will will go the direction of
- 21:09S3: the show and we can say, hey, I don't think
- 21:11S3: this is working. Maybe we do this instead. And, you know,
- 21:14S3: I used to in moments where we were kind of like, okay,
- 21:16S3: what can we change? What can we do? Or, or
- 21:19S3: just feeling that myself that something needed to change. I
- 21:22S3: was very nervous to tell you guys if I ever
- 21:25S3: thought we needed to do something differently on the show. Yeah.
- 21:27S3: And I would sit here and the Holy Spirit would
- 21:29S3: be like, you need to say something.
- 21:31S5: And I kept telling you, dude, we need to hear
- 21:34S5: from you.
- 21:34S3: I know, and you'd say it too. And I'd be like,
- 21:36S3: I don't want to say anything. I don't want to
- 21:38S3: rock the boat. I don't want to make anybody mad
- 21:39S3: by by saying this isn't working or something.
- 21:42S5: Nobody got mad.
- 21:43S3: No, no one was mad.
- 21:44S5: But now you've got a loose tongue. That's right. You
- 21:47S5: share all the time.
- 21:48S7: Now I won't be quiet.
- 21:50S5: No, he won't be quiet.
- 21:52S3: But it would. I would do that. And I'd argue
- 21:55S3: with the Holy Spirit about like, I don't want to
- 21:56S3: say anything. And then I'd say something, and you guys
- 21:58S3: would be like, you're right. We do need to do that.
- 22:01S3: And then we'd do it and it would be like, oh,
- 22:03S3: it was that easy. And it was like, so even
- 22:05S3: stuff that was that simple, I would be very afraid
- 22:08S3: to speak out and say something about it.
- 22:10S8: I love it. Yeah. Oh goodness.
- 22:12S5: Sakes. Super naturally bold.
- 22:14S4: No. But in certain situations.
- 22:17S3: That one surprises me more. I do think I can
- 22:19S3: see Diana being bold.
- 22:20S8: Uh.
- 22:21S4: If I'm stepping up for somebody else.
- 22:24S3: Yes.
- 22:24S5: Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's not for her, but for someone else.
- 22:27S5: If there's been an injustice.
- 22:29S4: I am like full battle for someone else.
- 22:33S3: That's true. Super. I won't stay.
- 22:34S4: Quiet. Stick up for them. Yeah, I sometimes I go
- 22:36S4: overboard if I'm. But yeah, but no, not yet. Not
- 22:41S4: for me though.
- 22:42S5: Have you ever made. Have you ever been so bold
- 22:44S5: as to make a phone call to get to stand
- 22:46S5: up for someone?
- 22:47S4: Oh, I did it yesterday.
- 22:48S3: What?
- 22:50S4: Yes.
- 22:50S3: Maybe you can't share that on air.
- 22:51S4: I can't share too much. It was for a relative.
- 22:53S4: But I called a company because. Yes. Oh, and took
- 22:57S4: care of it. And they overnighted what they said wouldn't
- 23:02S4: be there for 2 to 3 weeks. And this individual
- 23:04S4: needed that item because I didn't want that individual to
- 23:07S4: be home without some type of contact hanging from their neck,
- 23:11S4: that they can be reached in an emergency.
- 23:13S3: Oh man.
- 23:13S4: I'm just going to say that much.
- 23:14S5: Oh, is this a life alert?
- 23:16S4: So I got onto the phone and lo and behold,
- 23:19S4: guess what's arriving today?
- 23:22S3: I got it done.
- 23:22S5: Is it a life alert? Yes. Awesome.
- 23:25S3: That's great. Super. I got it done.
- 23:27S5: Super. I ain't messing around.
- 23:28S7: No.
- 23:29S5: Something tells me that someone near and dear to your heart.
- 23:31S3: Yes, I think so.
- 23:32S5: That's awesome. Super.
- 23:34S3: That's great.
- 23:35S5: Yeah. We're not waiting 2 or 3 weeks.
- 23:37S3: No.
- 23:38S5: If she falls down and she doesn't have a little button.
- 23:41S3: Oh, no.
- 23:42S4: So that was the issue and didn't work. So I
- 23:46S4: won't go into my phone call, but um.
- 23:48S5: Hold it, hold it. She pressed it and it didn't work.
- 23:51S3: No. Oh, no.
- 23:53S4: So yeah, that's a whole other show. But, um.
- 23:56S5: Maybe we'll have that one on Monday. What do you
- 24:00S5: do in your life? Alert doesn't work. What do you do?
- 24:03S4: Let me know and I will make the phone call
- 24:05S4: for you. I will take care of it for you.
- 24:07S3: Oh, goodness.
- 24:07S4: So.
- 24:08S3: But I'm glad everyone's okay.
- 24:10S4: In respect to them. They. They came through, but good.
- 24:14S3: It needed a super day.
- 24:15S4: It took some boldness, but.
- 24:17S5: Well, what Super Day did is she alerted them to
- 24:20S5: a dysfunctional life alert.
- 24:22S3: Yes.
- 24:23S4: Exactly.
- 24:24S5: Stay alert people. You're selling something. It better work.
- 24:27S4: 2 to 3 weeks. No, that ain't.
- 24:29S3: Happening.
- 24:31S5: I can hear you right now. Uh, no. No, that's
- 24:34S5: that's not going to work.
- 24:35S3: That ain't going to happen. We're not doing that.
- 24:37S5: I love it, I love it.
- 24:39S4: Who else can I talk to? No. Next.
- 24:42S5: Oh my goodness. Well, I had to be bold with
- 24:46S5: my wife.
- 24:47S3: Oh, yeah.
- 24:48S5: Yeah.
- 24:48S4: Uh. Oh.
- 24:49S3: In what way?
- 24:49S5: Yeah. Well.
- 24:51S3: Should we, are we sharing?
- 24:51S5: I don't want to say the name of the refrigerator,
- 24:53S5: but we bought a refrigerator ten years ago, and my
- 24:57S5: wife reached for the freezer. We got this one of
- 24:59S5: these with the French doors on the top and the
- 25:01S5: freezer on the bottom.
- 25:02S4: Oh, yeah.
- 25:03S5: Yeah. And she reached for it, and the whole handle
- 25:04S5: came off in her hand.
- 25:06S4: Oh, my.
- 25:07S3: Did she find out later that she had superpowers like that?
- 25:11S3: Sounds like a.
- 25:11S5: It is this. This. I can't even say what the
- 25:14S5: company is because that ain't right. But I wish I could.
- 25:18S4: Wasn't like it.
- 25:19S5: Was just been a joke, man. I mean, the freezer,
- 25:21S5: the ice cube maker stopped in like a year and.
- 25:25S3: No, no.
- 25:25S5: And then the motor started making noise at about three years. Oh, yeah.
- 25:30S5: Trays where you put stuff and it looks like we
- 25:33S5: had looks like we had teenagers that would just slam
- 25:36S5: stuff into the trays in the in the holders, you know,
- 25:39S5: the mustard trays, they, they just started breaking.
- 25:42S4: Not a good record going.
- 25:43S5: The handle came off in your hand and that's. To me,
- 25:46S5: a refrigerator ought to last a little longer than ten years.
- 25:49S4: I would think.
- 25:50S3: I think so. I'd say so.
- 25:51S5: But anyway, so I had to tell my wife because
- 25:53S5: she's like, oh, we don't need to get no. Yeah,
- 25:55S5: we're getting one. Because now you have to reach with
- 25:59S5: your left hand to one lever manually and the right
- 26:02S5: hand with the other lever pick up and pull it out.
- 26:06S5: And it ain't easy for me. And I said, no,
- 26:09S5: we're going to get a refrigerator. We're not having this
- 26:12S5: shag nasty thing sitting here in the kitchen, man.
- 26:16S4: No.
- 26:16S5: See, that looks like somebody did an operation on it.
- 26:19S3: That's so funny. That's very much. My personality is I'll
- 26:22S3: let stuff go as long as I can let it go. Uh,
- 26:24S3: and maybe I need to not do that as much.
- 26:26S5: Yeah, I think so. I think that's a good idea.
- 26:29S5: All right. Boldness. That's the day to day. Yep. Where
- 26:32S5: do we get it from? Living free implies boldness.
- 26:37S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
- 26:41S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
- 26:45S1: Moody Radio.
- 26:46S5: One of the great realities of freedom in Christ is
- 26:50S5: the privilege to live as we never could before. I'm
- 26:53S5: reminded of what my dad tells me all the time,
- 26:55S5: and it's a great one. Well, told me, man, I
- 26:57S5: put it in the present tense. He's gone to be
- 26:59S5: with the Lord. But he said, Carl, grace isn't the
- 27:03S5: permission to live as we like. It's the privilege to
- 27:07S5: live as we never could before. With us right now,
- 27:10S5: Sam storms. That's a pretty good quote from my dad,
- 27:13S5: isn't it, Sam?
- 27:15S9: It is indeed. It is indeed. I love statements like that.
- 27:18S5: Yeah, it's really true. Uh, we look at the New
- 27:21S5: Testament primarily the book of acts, and we can super
- 27:25S5: spiritualize all of these figures and characters. It's so easy, Sam.
- 27:30S5: It's like, okay, wow, that was then. But you look
- 27:35S5: in acts four and you find these two characters, Peter
- 27:38S5: and John and Peter. Peter had his bumps in the
- 27:41S5: road about being faithful with God, for sure. And they've
- 27:45S5: been imprisoned and now they're threatened and they're like, who
- 27:49S5: are we going to serve God or man? And they're
- 27:52S5: speaking this out to the religious leaders. And here's what's
- 27:56S5: so insightful. They had recognized by looking at Peter and
- 28:01S5: John that these were men who were, yes, totally uneducated,
- 28:06S5: but they had been with Jesus. That's a mouthful. What's
- 28:10S5: being recorded here? What was the distinguishing characteristics that they
- 28:14S5: had been with Jesus, Sam.
- 28:16S9: Well, it's obvious that in order to take a stand
- 28:20S9: like this in the face of beatings and imprisonment and
- 28:24S9: perhaps even execution, these men were captivated by the person
- 28:28S9: of Jesus. They were absolutely enthralled with him. They had
- 28:32S9: a deep conviction, obviously, of who he was. They had
- 28:34S9: seen him work miracles for three years. They watched his,
- 28:38S9: saw the evidence of his resurrection, his ascension into heaven.
- 28:42S9: And it was it was never a difficult choice for them.
- 28:45S9: I think maybe sometimes it's difficult for us today. AM
- 28:48S9: I going to stand up for the Lord and and
- 28:50S9: take my hits from a mocking, unbelieving society? I don't
- 28:55S9: think they necessarily had that same challenge. There doesn't seem
- 28:58S9: to be any cowardice or any hesitation on their part.
- 29:01S9: They said, we know what our obligation is. it's to
- 29:04S9: God and not you. And if you ask us to
- 29:05S9: do anything that God forbids or you forbid us from
- 29:09S9: doing what God commands, we're going with the Lord. And
- 29:12S9: I can only trace that to their absolute confidence, their
- 29:17S9: unwavering belief in the truth of who Jesus was. And
- 29:21S9: then I think also, I mean, a little bit farther
- 29:24S9: in acts chapter four, if people wonder, how can a
- 29:26S9: person have this kind of a mindset, you read about
- 29:30S9: their affirmation of the sovereignty of God. He's the sovereign
- 29:33S9: Lord who made the heaven and the earth and the
- 29:35S9: sea and everything in them. And they said, well, how
- 29:37S9: could we dare back down from the God who has
- 29:41S9: made it all and who has providentially governing it all?
- 29:43S9: So unfortunately, today, I think so many in our society,
- 29:48S9: our faith is superficial. It's surface level, it's convenient faith.
- 29:52S9: It's not a deep seated devotion to the Lord himself.
- 29:56S9: And I think that's the only way we're going to
- 29:58S9: be able to survive what's coming our way. And to
- 30:00S9: a certain extent, already here. We need to take a
- 30:03S9: long look at these men and women and ask, how
- 30:06S9: can we respond similarly?
- 30:08S5: Yeah. Sam Storms, my guest right now, I have heard
- 30:12S5: people say, and I can understand this, but I want
- 30:16S5: you to interact with it. Some have said, well, my goodness,
- 30:19S5: they almost had an unfair advantage. I mean, they were there.
- 30:23S5: We're here. And then I pair that up. I saw
- 30:25S5: a clip yesterday actually of John Wimber. He had some
- 30:29S5: controversial things, but I thought he had some. I don't
- 30:32S5: know if you remember that name or not, Sam, but John.
- 30:34S9: Yeah. He was a friend of mine.
- 30:36S5: John Wimber.
- 30:37S9: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
- 30:39S5: Okay. I thought he had some amazing stuff to say.
- 30:42S5: And he would speak of power evangelism. And his conviction
- 30:47S5: was that Peter and John were just filled with the
- 30:52S5: Holy Spirit and that we can be as well speak
- 30:55S5: to that.
- 30:56S9: Oh, absolutely. In fact, all through the book of Acts,
- 30:59S9: whenever there is a miracle performed, whether it's a healing
- 31:02S9: or whether it's standing up to opposition. It says. And
- 31:07S9: having been filled with the Holy Spirit, Peter said, or
- 31:10S9: Paul said, uh, or Stephen said, you know, how in
- 31:14S9: the world could Stephen have endured the beating and the
- 31:17S9: stoning to death? I mean, I can't imagine a more
- 31:20S9: horrible way to die. And it's basically he was full
- 31:23S9: of the Holy Spirit says it multiple times in acts
- 31:26S9: chapter six and seven. So these men obviously walked in
- 31:30S9: moment by moment, dependence upon the spirit. They trusted the
- 31:33S9: Spirit of God to enable them to do what in
- 31:35S9: their in their own natural flesh and strength they never could.
- 31:39S9: It takes a lot of fortitude to stand the way
- 31:42S9: they did. And we're going to need that same fortitude.
- 31:45S9: And we only get it by knowing who Jesus is,
- 31:47S9: trusting in him, and calling out for the sustaining work
- 31:51S9: of the spirit in our hearts. Uh, in passing, you mentioned, uh,
- 31:54S9: you know, they seem to be at an advantage to
- 31:57S9: us Because they were actually with Jesus, they saw him
- 32:00S9: and were at a disadvantage. I don't believe that's true. Now, granted,
- 32:04S9: I would have loved to have been there, but I
- 32:06S9: think about first Peter one eight where Peter says, though
- 32:08S9: you have not seen him, you love him. So you
- 32:11S9: don't have to see him in the flesh to love him.
- 32:14S9: Though you do not now see him, you believe in
- 32:16S9: him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled
- 32:19S9: with glory. So I think what God has done for
- 32:23S9: us that puts us at an advantage over them, is
- 32:27S9: that they had these momentary little interactions and glimpses of Jesus.
- 32:30S9: We have the fullness of the biblical revelation. We have
- 32:33S9: it right there in Scripture, and we can encounter Christ
- 32:36S9: Jesus in the same way, if not even greater than
- 32:40S9: those who walked with him in the first century.
- 32:42S5: You know, it's not explicit, but it's implicit here in
- 32:46S5: acts four. Sam, Peter, and John, this is right on
- 32:50S5: the heels of Day of Pentecost. And I've been a man.
- 32:54S5: I remember walking into the woods in Sunriver, Oregon, for
- 32:57S5: crying out loud. Dating my bride back in the day.
- 32:59S5: Her dad was the pastor of Community Church there. I
- 33:02S5: walked into the woods and I made this resolve. Built
- 33:05S5: a fire, wrote this list of how many verses I'm
- 33:08S5: going to memorize in the next year, and all of
- 33:10S5: how many people I've been witness to and all this.
- 33:12S5: And I'm going to be bold for you. And the
- 33:15S5: Lord in his grace, has shown me that boldness is
- 33:18S5: not about conjuring up, almost making a vow to God.
- 33:22S5: It's really about soaking up the power of the Holy Spirit. Now,
- 33:27S5: a lot of people have had an aversion to this
- 33:29S5: in the evangelical church, but I've been talking with more
- 33:32S5: and more people. I believe that there is an awakening
- 33:34S5: of the Holy Spirit's power in our life. So it
- 33:38S5: begs the question, because you've you've seen that, right? You've
- 33:41S5: probably done that where you where you thought, I'm going
- 33:43S5: to be bold for you, God. And then you find out, man,
- 33:45S5: I am pitifully weak. I need the Holy Ghost. You've
- 33:49S5: experienced that, right, Sam?
- 33:51S9: Oh, sure. Yeah. You know, I, I know what it's
- 33:53S9: like to be faced with an opportunity to share Christ,
- 33:56S9: and I backed down in cowardice.
- 33:57S10: Or fear or whatever.
- 34:00S5: I'm glad to hear you're human.
- 34:01S10: Oh.
- 34:02S9: Yeah. Absolutely. And yet I'm looking at this story in
- 34:05S9: acts four. We've been talking about and the prayer they prayed.
- 34:08S9: And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to
- 34:11S9: your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness.
- 34:14S9: In other words, they said, Lord, we don't have boldness
- 34:16S9: inherently within us. We're all basically cowards. Would you grant us,
- 34:20S9: would you give us the boldness? And then, of course,
- 34:23S9: it says down in the verse 31, and they were
- 34:25S9: all filled with the Holy Spirit. And what happened? And
- 34:29S9: they continued to speak the Word of God with boldness.
- 34:31S9: So how did they find the boldness? They were filled
- 34:34S9: with the Holy Spirit. That's how it happens.
- 34:36S5: What's really cool? Um, not that I'm into church growth
- 34:40S5: strategies because I think that can be really weird. But
- 34:43S5: if you look at a church growth principle, it's right
- 34:45S5: here out of that prayer for boldness. I'm getting choked
- 34:47S5: up here. You go into chapter five and you don't
- 34:50S5: go in too far. Thousands were added to the church
- 34:53S5: as a result of this prayer for boldness. Sam.
- 34:55S9: Oh, absolutely. And that's the only way it's going to happen.
- 34:59S9: Christians have got to to. They've got to trust in
- 35:03S9: the sufficiency and the presence of God and the Holy
- 35:05S9: Spirit operating through them, knowing that if we step out
- 35:08S9: in faith on behalf of the Lord Jesus, he is
- 35:11S9: going to meet us there. He's not going to leave
- 35:13S9: us abandoned. He's not going to you know, it's not
- 35:16S9: only here, but, you know, in Paul's letters, I mean,
- 35:18S9: in Ephesians and in Colossians, both of those letters, he
- 35:21S9: asked those people and those churches pray for me. That
- 35:24S9: boldness would be given to me, that I might know
- 35:26S9: how I should speak. I mean, if Paul knew that
- 35:29S9: that was essential, certainly we should know it as well.
- 35:32S5: Yeah. Okay. So the question here is how do we
- 35:35S5: get filled with the Holy Spirit? And I love this
- 35:37S5: question because I've heard a lot of people interact with it.
- 35:41S5: And there's no passage that you can go to and says,
- 35:44S5: these are the four steps, how you get filled with
- 35:46S5: the Holy Spirit. So I got to assume there's something
- 35:49S5: in the hoop and wharf of our abiding relationship with Christ,
- 35:53S5: and how all that will tell us. What have you learned?
- 35:56S9: Well, I think I've told you before I have a
- 35:58S9: book on the Holy Spirit coming out later this year
- 36:00S9: or the first part of 2011. And I have a,
- 36:03S9: you know, a whole chapter on being filled with the spirit.
- 36:05S9: And you're right, there is no prescribed formula. The only
- 36:09S9: thing that we that we have is in Ephesians five,
- 36:12S9: where Paul says, be filled with the Holy Spirit. But
- 36:15S9: I don't think he's telling us the steps we should
- 36:17S9: take in order to make it happen. I think we
- 36:20S9: just need to walk closely with Jesus, constantly in touch
- 36:24S9: with him, praying at all times, you know, guarding our hearts.
- 36:27S9: And then obviously we have to pray for it. We
- 36:29S9: have to cry out to the Lord. You know, Jesus
- 36:32S9: himself said that if the father will give the Holy
- 36:35S9: Spirit to those who ask him. So we just have
- 36:38S9: to constantly be saying, Lord, moment by moment. I do
- 36:41S9: this every time I preach or teach. Lord, I'm helpless
- 36:43S9: without you. Fill me with your spirit. Give me energy,
- 36:46S9: give me courage. Give me clarity. Give me boldness. Let
- 36:50S9: me say just the right words that will have an
- 36:53S9: effect on the lives of your people. I like the
- 36:55S9: fact that there's no formula because, you know, we get
- 36:57S9: these formulas and we reduce it to a kind of
- 36:59S9: a quid pro quo. I'll give you I'll do this
- 37:02S9: and you'll give me that. I don't think the Lord
- 37:04S9: wants us to live like that. I think he wants
- 37:06S9: us to live in just constant awareness of who he is,
- 37:09S9: dependence upon his presence and his love. And that's that's
- 37:13S9: basically how I understand that.
- 37:15S5: Yeah. I was talking with Jim Coakley and yesterday, and
- 37:18S5: what's funny about Jim is he's, he was in the
- 37:22S5: here's the Bible, this is what you teach. And he
- 37:26S5: is very much very open about this saying, yeah, we
- 37:30S5: neglected the power of the Holy Spirit and awareness of
- 37:32S5: his promptings and guiding, according to John 14 and John 16,
- 37:37S5: that that the Spirit's going to guide you. I'm wondering
- 37:41S5: if we have a disservice. I love quiet time, but
- 37:46S5: the common notion is, boy, I hope the fumes from
- 37:49S5: quiet time can carry me through flesh time. In the
- 37:54S5: early church, though, they lived with this ever present awareness
- 37:59S5: of the Spirit's functioning in their life. Or at least
- 38:02S5: it seems that way.
- 38:03S9: Sam well, yeah, it does. It's very clear on the
- 38:06S9: pages of Scripture. I mean, like I said in the
- 38:08S9: book of acts over and over again from the day
- 38:11S9: of Pentecost on, uh, every time they were filled with
- 38:14S9: the spirit, it says they, they either prophesied or they
- 38:17S9: spoke with boldness or there was a miracle or there
- 38:20S9: was evangelistic success, not a success. Evangelistic faithfulness. Whether or
- 38:25S9: not it was successful or not, which of course, only
- 38:27S9: God can determine. But the whole point is, when you're
- 38:31S9: filled with the spirit, you can endure the opposition. You
- 38:33S9: can endure people spitting in your face or throwing stones
- 38:36S9: at you like they did at Stephen. So we have
- 38:39S9: to get back to this conscious awareness of the Spirit's
- 38:42S9: power and presence and, uh, learn to trust in him.
- 38:45S9: And I just love the rest of acts chapter four.
- 38:47S9: I think our listeners should read it where they just
- 38:50S9: start praising God as the as the sovereign Lord over
- 38:53S9: all things. And they knew that he could do for
- 38:58S9: them what only he could. And they couldn't. They couldn't
- 39:01S9: muster up the strength. They couldn't get together and kind
- 39:03S9: of pump each other up and whip each other up
- 39:06S9: into some sort of spiritual frenzy. They needed the incredible
- 39:09S9: power of the Spirit of God to overcome fear, hesitation, embarrassment, shame,
- 39:14S9: whatever else it may be, holding them back.
- 39:16S5: Yeah. And I love their prayer. They actually pray for politicians,
- 39:20S5: Herod and Pontius Pilate and all the threats that are
- 39:22S5: going on. And they're rehearsing for God. You know, we're
- 39:26S5: in a situation that's stacked against us. And then you're right.
- 39:29S5: They go, God, pour out your power into us. I mean,
- 39:32S5: what an awesome prayer.
- 39:34S9: Yeah. And that prayer is great because it shows that
- 39:37S9: they had such a high view of God's sovereignty. They said, Lord,
- 39:41S9: you know, Herod and Pontius Pilate and the Gentiles and
- 39:43S9: the people of Israel gathered together to crucify Jesus. And
- 39:47S9: they did whatever your hand and your plan had predestined
- 39:49S9: to take place. Nothing is outside of your control. And
- 39:52S9: if it's so, if we end up, of course, Peter,
- 39:55S9: you know, end up according to tradition, was crucified upside down. Yeah. And, uh,
- 39:59S9: that also was in the sovereign plan of God. And
- 40:02S9: knowing that God is ultimately in control and he's never
- 40:05S9: going to leave us or forsake us. That's what bolsters
- 40:08S9: the human heart to endure almost anything.
- 40:11S5: Do you think the disciples knew they were going to die,
- 40:13S5: killed for proclaiming Christ because 11 of 12 were.
- 40:16S9: Well, you know, you go back into, uh, into, into
- 40:19S9: the upper room discourse where Jesus said, you will have
- 40:21S9: tribulation in this world, but I have overcome the world.
- 40:24S9: And of course, Paul, who said, those who desire to
- 40:26S9: live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. I'm sure
- 40:30S9: Jesus talked to them about this all the time and said, guys,
- 40:33S9: you just need to understand when I'm gone, it's going
- 40:36S9: to get far, far worse than it is right now.
- 40:38S9: And what they've done to me, they're going to try
- 40:40S9: to do to you. So yeah, I think they did.
- 40:42S9: I think they understood.
- 40:43S5: Wow. Sam storms by the way, you want to get
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- 41:19S5: One of the great freedoms that we have is the
- 41:22S5: freedom of religion, the freedom of speech. There are lots
- 41:27S5: of freedoms that I really believe God has his handprint
- 41:31S5: on with regard to our nation. But the real question is,
- 41:35S5: is the defense of Christian Patriotism. Is that okay? Is
- 41:41S5: it okay to be patriotic when we're something less than perfect?
- 41:45S5: I think some have said no, but I say, yay!
- 41:49S5: Let's get after this thing. Let's cheer for what we
- 41:52S5: can cheer for. Daniel darling is with me right now.
- 41:55S5: He's the author of the book In Defense of Christian Patriotism.
- 41:59S5: It's interesting. Daniel, I've been alive a long time, and
- 42:02S5: I've seen us go from a kid being raised around
- 42:06S5: military parades and big national celebrations to it almost feels
- 42:13S5: like there's a group trying to make us feel a
- 42:16S5: little bit guilty for celebrating what God's done in our nation,
- 42:20S5: even though we're less than perfect. What are your thoughts,
- 42:22S5: my man?
- 42:23S11: Yeah. I think, you know, the pendulum swings. And I
- 42:26S11: think we're in an era now where people are almost
- 42:30S11: afraid or ashamed to express their love for their country.
- 42:34S11: And I think a lot of Christians feel that way
- 42:36S11: because we've been made to feel guilty because, you know,
- 42:38S11: we're told that patriotism is always a form of idolatry
- 42:42S11: and that, you know, the kingdom of God is first
- 42:44S11: and foremost. And I think one of the things I
- 42:46S11: try to do in this book is to allow Christians
- 42:49S11: to understand that it's not always a binary choice between
- 42:52S11: love of God and love of country. If you love
- 42:54S11: God supremely, then every other allegiance underneath that can be
- 42:57S11: ordered well, and you can, you can love those things
- 43:00S11: in a proper way. And I actually argue that it's
- 43:03S11: good and right for us to love our country if
- 43:05S11: we're to seek the welfare of the city and the
- 43:07S11: nation that God has put us in. How do you
- 43:09S11: seek the welfare of a country that you loathe or
- 43:11S11: you despise, or you're apathetic about?
- 43:13S5: Right? Daniel, let's just cut to the chase here. What's
- 43:16S5: Christian patriotism look like? What is it and what is it?
- 43:20S11: Not really. It's gratitude for the place God has given us.
- 43:24S11: It is a love for the people, the culture, the
- 43:27S11: ideals of the country. Patriotism doesn't mean we always agree
- 43:32S11: with a current administration or current policies or current politicians.
- 43:36S11: In fact, sometimes patriotism demands that we oppose certain policies
- 43:41S11: or we pose an administration or something like that. Patriotism
- 43:44S11: also doesn't mean that we pretend that everything America has
- 43:48S11: done in her history is good. I mean, we have
- 43:51S11: some dark spots in our history. We have some sins.
- 43:53S11: We've been made up of fallen people, and patriotism doesn't
- 43:57S11: gloss over those. But what it doesn't do is take
- 44:00S11: that thread, those those sins, those bad things we've done,
- 44:04S11: and act as if that's the only story. I think
- 44:06S11: it tells a more rich story of good and bad.
- 44:10S5: We see in our nation today. Daniel Darling, my guest,
- 44:13S5: by the way, and I'm going to give you a
- 44:14S5: link to this book in just a moment. We see
- 44:16S5: in our nation right now a couple different camps. One
- 44:20S5: is what I would call kind of toxic Christianity, and
- 44:25S5: it's Christian nationalism on steroids. And I think a lot
- 44:28S5: of these people that subscribe to that don't even know
- 44:30S5: Jesus personally. Okay. I'm not judging them. I'm just saying
- 44:34S5: there seems to be some rancor that does not appear
- 44:37S5: to be manifesting the fruit of the spirit, for sure.
- 44:40S5: Then we hit the other side of that that says, well,
- 44:44S5: we don't get involved in politics. I preach Christ and
- 44:46S5: Him crucified. Then you got guys like Spurgeon who said,
- 44:50S5: if you're a Christ follower, you can't stay out of politics.
- 44:54S5: What say you, Daniel darling?
- 44:57S11: You know, it's hard to read scripture, particularly the New
- 45:00S11: Testament and, um, come away with the idea that Christianity
- 45:04S11: is solely a private affair. And when you read scripture, um,
- 45:09S11: it's always an outward facing idea. And, you know, obviously
- 45:13S11: the primary role of the church is preaching the gospel
- 45:15S11: and proclaiming the message of salvation, making disciples. But part
- 45:19S11: of disciple making is teaching people how to live on
- 45:21S11: mission where God has put them, and particularly those of
- 45:24S11: us who are Americans who have the opportunity with our
- 45:28S11: voice and our vote to shape the policies and the
- 45:30S11: structures that affect us. I don't know how you stay silent.
- 45:34S11: How do you say that? You love your neighbor as yourself.
- 45:37S11: If you don't speak up for the policies that affect
- 45:39S11: your neighbors flourishing? How do you seek the welfare or
- 45:42S11: the flourishing of a city that. But you don't get
- 45:45S11: involved in shaping it. And that looks different for every
- 45:47S11: different person? No. Everyone doesn't isn't called to run for office.
- 45:50S11: Some are called to speak out, some are. But the
- 45:53S11: very basic level, having a stake, having an impact, I
- 45:56S11: think we can do that in a properly ordered way.
- 45:58S11: As long as we know that Christ is first. I
- 46:01S11: think the problem is not that Christians are engaged in politics.
- 46:04S11: The problem is sometimes the way that Christians are engaged.
- 46:08S11: And some of those folks you talked about that take
- 46:10S11: it too seriously or that make it everything right. There's
- 46:13S11: a sort of existential dread. Every election, everything, they're sweating
- 46:16S11: and you know, it. It causes them to turn in
- 46:18S11: on people. I don't think the problem is that they're
- 46:21S11: involved in politics. I think it's just the way that
- 46:22S11: they're doing it. It's not Christ like. And so I
- 46:25S11: think it'd be hard to live out the commands of
- 46:28S11: the New Testament and completely disengage. I mean, think about this.
- 46:32S11: If you took Christians out of politics, you would lose
- 46:34S11: William Wilberforce. You would lose Martin Luther King Jr. You
- 46:38S11: would lose all these people who really made an impact
- 46:41S11: and did it because of their faith. And so I
- 46:43S11: think it's incumbent on us to do it, but we
- 46:45S11: do it in a balanced way. We do it in
- 46:47S11: a way that's realistic, that understands that as much as
- 46:50S11: we have opportunity to shape the public discourse and laws
- 46:55S11: and policies, we're limited. And until Christ returns, those things
- 46:59S11: won't be that utopia that many people long for.
- 47:03S5: Yeah. Daniel darling, my guest. It's interesting. I'm I saw
- 47:07S5: a podcast I'm not going to get into who was
- 47:10S5: on it, but it was fascinating to me because the
- 47:13S5: discussion ultimately landed on who's responsible for the welfare of
- 47:20S5: a nation. And one side was, well, we've got to
- 47:24S5: have the government do this because we, the church hasn't
- 47:29S5: picked up the slack. Uh, the other guy's saying no.
- 47:32S5: Whenever the government gets involved in trying to help society
- 47:36S5: in any given culture or nation, that's so complicated with
- 47:41S5: all kinds of things like corruption and grift and everything.
- 47:45S5: My conviction is, Daniel, the church has got a ways
- 47:47S5: to go to fill that gap of the needs of people.
- 47:51S5: And I think sometimes we say we don't want government involved,
- 47:55S5: but we got to look in a mirror and ask
- 47:56S5: the question, are we doing civic duty? Are we showing
- 48:00S5: love for nation?
- 48:01S11: It's a great question. And, you know, as a church
- 48:03S11: attendance declines in America, church attendance has declined probably the
- 48:06S11: last 40 years. You know, something has to fill that gap.
- 48:10S11: And I also think this has to do with the
- 48:12S11: breakdown of the family, because as the family breaks down,
- 48:16S11: it creates more needs, more children's needs, more more desperation. And,
- 48:21S11: you know, something has to fill that gap. And a
- 48:24S11: lot of times it's the state that has to come
- 48:26S11: in and and fill those gaps. And the state is
- 48:28S11: a poor father. The state is a poor family. And so,
- 48:31S11: you know, good Christians are going to disagree where that
- 48:34S11: line should be. You know, how much the church can
- 48:36S11: do and what can only the government do. And and
- 48:39S11: many times in many communities, it's kind of both, right?
- 48:42S11: The churches are working with local governments to meet needs.
- 48:45S11: Good Christians are going to disagree with that line should
- 48:47S11: be I tend to be a limited government person. I
- 48:50S11: think that the church and the market and all those
- 48:52S11: things really should take the bulk of it. But there
- 48:55S11: is a place for a safety net and things like that.
- 48:57S11: But when that gets too big, because the family has
- 49:00S11: broken down, because you don't have fathers in the home
- 49:03S11: and you don't have. And when the church does step
- 49:05S11: back from their duties, you know, the state does a
- 49:07S11: poor job of doing things that only God is called
- 49:09S11: the family in the church to do.
- 49:11S5: Yeah, it's so true. Yeah. I actually did a research
- 49:14S5: on this, did some research on this just a couple
- 49:17S5: of days ago, Daniel. And because you've heard it said
- 49:21S5: that sometimes government some of the welfare systems, and let's
- 49:25S5: just take welfare from a good term. And that is
- 49:28S5: there for the welfare of a person wanting them to
- 49:32S5: fare well. We have actually incentivized single parenthood. And I
- 49:37S5: went and did a deep dive, only to find out
- 49:40S5: it's true in a lot of our cities, in a
- 49:42S5: lot of our states, and even through the federal government,
- 49:46S5: some of the laws that we have in place incentivize
- 49:49S5: the very thing that's crippling us as a people. We
- 49:52S5: need to be aware of this, don't we, Daniel?
- 49:54S11: Yeah. We do. You know, I think at its best,
- 49:56S11: government assistance programs, which I don't think are wrong and
- 50:00S11: I don't think are unbiblical on their face at the
- 50:02S11: very best, they should be things that help people for
- 50:04S11: a season so that they can get a lift up,
- 50:07S11: so they can get into the workforce, have meaningful work.
- 50:11S11: And of course, there's always going to be people in
- 50:12S11: society who, you know, are just, you know, they can't
- 50:16S11: they can't work for a variety of reasons because of,
- 50:18S11: you know, disabilities and all these kinds of things. So we,
- 50:21S11: we do have that. But as you said, that the
- 50:23S11: system should not be designed to keep people in a
- 50:26S11: permanent state of dependence, but to get them up, get
- 50:29S11: them functioning and working because, you know, as you said it,
- 50:34S11: and sometimes it can incentivize poor family structures. It can
- 50:37S11: work against marriage, for instance, that there's penalties when you
- 50:40S11: get married, you get less assistance. And so we, I
- 50:42S11: think we need to work through those things to make
- 50:44S11: sure that our tax dollars are incentivizing things that are
- 50:47S11: actually good for the flourishing of society, and particularly the family.
- 50:51S11: I think the structure of the family, to me, is
- 50:53S11: one of the most important things in society. If you
- 50:55S11: care about poverty, if you care about child welfare, all
- 51:00S11: that flows from a breakdown of a family. And I
- 51:02S11: think this is an area where the church can really
- 51:04S11: step in and, and help struggling families in their communities,
- 51:07S11: help struggling marriages, encourage marriage and family, encourage responsible fatherhood.
- 51:12S5: Ken, a radically committed follower of Jesus, get elected to
- 51:17S5: public office today.
- 51:19S11: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think there's a
- 51:21S11: lot of good Christians running for office and trying to
- 51:24S11: do the best they can. I think that the challenge
- 51:26S11: is to live as a follower of Jesus in that
- 51:29S11: space and understand that even in the political space, God
- 51:33S11: requires us, expects us to, to follow him, to live
- 51:37S11: out the fruit of the spirit. You know, I think
- 51:39S11: sometimes we think, well, I'm, I'm standing up for what's right.
- 51:41S11: So it doesn't really matter how I act or I
- 51:43S11: conduct myself. We need Christians of courage and conviction to
- 51:47S11: stand up and do public service, because when Christians receive,
- 51:51S11: what fills that vacuum is often worse.
- 51:53S5: Daniel Darling, my guest, and he's written a book called
- 51:56S5: In Defense of Christian Patriotism Equipping Believers for Political Theology,
- 52:01S5: Civic Duty, and Love of Nation. It's a great work.
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