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Japan Today Turns Men’s Pain Into A Moral Panic · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you
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  Speaker 1: may be, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Allison and this is maintaining
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  Speaker 1: frame Japan today turns men's pain into a moral panic,
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  Speaker 1: where we're going to be looking at an article from
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  Speaker 1: Japan today, which, by the way, the article itself is
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  Speaker 1: not really about Japan. It isn't. I guess it's more
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  Speaker 1: of like that part of the world. Because we have
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  Speaker 1: another article in the that is warning against the Manisphere
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  Speaker 1: and how it's dangerous and causing real world harm. And
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  Speaker 1: this one comes out of Australia, and so we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be looking at it, reacting to it and talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought we're doing in the Japan one. What
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  Speaker 2: or is Australia? Is Japan the Japan article out of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't really know. I've never heard of Japan
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  Speaker 1: today until I came across this article.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm wondering. I'm wondering if Japan today is
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  Speaker 2: like the Western perspective on Japan, or maybe we're trying
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  Speaker 2: to export our moral panics over to.
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  Speaker 1: We that's necessary. Japan has similar they have similar problems.
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  Speaker 1: There are women everywhere, therefore they're going to have problems everywhere. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: Well we're gonna we're not gonna talk about Japan itself.
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  Speaker 1: Is that just so happens that the name of the
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  Speaker 1: website is Japan today? But in a way you could
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  Speaker 1: say that the the sort of like well, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like the Anglo sphere in Australia, New Zealand are having
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  Speaker 1: some effect on the sort of Pacific region of Japan, Korea,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. But I think that, Yeah, I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: we're getting in a specultive territory. We're going to be
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  Speaker 1: talking about this because strangely enough, in every part of
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  Speaker 1: the West, which includes down Under, they're all worried about
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  Speaker 1: the same problems, which is the Manisphere, and they're worried
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  Speaker 1: about how it's going to have a big negative effect
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  Speaker 1: on people, specifically women, and what that harm is. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's what we're doing today, Alison, you want to
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  Speaker 1: do the things?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I was just gonna say, we could
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  Speaker 2: do a series on this. There's so many of these
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  Speaker 2: cropping up like daisies or was it dandelions, just everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, almost It's interesting too that like, no matter what
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  Speaker 1: part of the world it is, no matter how far
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  Speaker 1: away the cultures of say Australia are, from Canada, or
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  Speaker 1: from the United States or the United Kingdom, or Scotland
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  Speaker 1: or Ireland or Wales or Europe, they all have the
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  Speaker 1: same problems when it comes to the Manisphere. They're all worried. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they all have at the same.
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  Speaker 2: Time, exactly the same critiques, exactly the same talking points.
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  Speaker 2: And it's almost like they're using the Manisphere to dismiss
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  Speaker 1: Right, all right, let's get into the article. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, so this article is from Japan today,
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  Speaker 1: from violence to sexism. The Manisphere is doing real world
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  Speaker 1: harm by very you know Japanese Stephanie Westcotton and Steven Roberts.
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  Speaker 1: I can I can tell their clan will honor them
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  Speaker 1: with this work. So this is an opinion piece, all right, Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of debate around the extent to which
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  Speaker 1: the Manisphere is playing out in young people's lives and relationships.
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  Speaker 1: Some suggest claims about its malevolence are misplaced. Others think
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  Speaker 1: just because something happens on the Internet doesn't mean it
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  Speaker 1: affects lives online. Okay, this is in spite of a
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  Speaker 1: significant body of international evidence demonstrating otherwise. Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to say anything to that right away?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, lay us lay some more evidence, some more ideologically
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  Speaker 2: motivated advocacy evidence on us that this is a problem
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  Speaker 2: that it's it's not Actually, it's the manosphere that's the problem,
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  Speaker 2: not the underlying pains and vulnerabilities that society refuses to
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  Speaker 2: address that men have, you know, the problems that society
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  Speaker 2: is creating for men. No, it's not that, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: the manosphere. And the irony is that like ninety percent
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  Speaker 2: of the manosphere is essentially just telling men, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: a problem, but what can you do? Just man up? Right?
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, and that's mostly what the red pill says,
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  Speaker 2: the more conservative commentator some of them. Anyway, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's not a lot that just says we need to
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  Speaker 2: deal with men's issues because men are human beings, or
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  Speaker 2: even we need to deal with men's issues because that's
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  Speaker 2: what's wrong with the world today period. There's not a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people saying that. Mostly just diees stuff, everything sucks,
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  Speaker 2: man up, you know that ultimately that's what they say.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't even know why they have such a
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  Speaker 2: big problem with the manisphere because it is more like
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  Speaker 2: a drain trap for missonry. It's basically just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: missionry exists, what you're gonna do about it?
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  Speaker 1: Man up? You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's so it's not even Ray like it's not even
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  Speaker 2: like a revolutionary kind of thought. It's just sort of
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  Speaker 2: more of the same. So I don't know, of course,
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  Speaker 2: I think the real reason why they've constructed this gigantic
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  Speaker 2: villain is to deflect from the problems that they're creating
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  Speaker 2: for men and from the people who are actually saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: fix those problems. No, no, shut up. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to hear about Andrew Tait. I don't want to hear
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  Speaker 2: about Donald Trump. Okay, fix the problems. Fix them because
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  Speaker 2: they're a problem for everyone, and they're becoming a bigger
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  Speaker 2: and bigger problem. And the longer we don't fix them,
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  Speaker 2: the more of a problem they become. So fix them,
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  Speaker 2: deal with them, make this right. I think they want
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  Speaker 2: to hear that, so they're promote. In fact, I think
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  Speaker 2: they promote the controlled opposition that they want to hear
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  Speaker 2: that they can dismiss, but also doesn't really say, hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the society, these social institutions are creating this problem. It's not.
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  Speaker 2: What they're doing is they're putting more and more weight
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  Speaker 2: on men, and then when men falter, they say that
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  Speaker 2: the men are weaker. That just proves how weak you are.
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  Speaker 2: And it's such a disheartening, demoralizing thing, and they take
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  Speaker 2: no responsibility for it. Anyway, I went on a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a rant already. I just want to Yeah, rants
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  Speaker 2: happen here.
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  Speaker 1: I was just going to say what I what I
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  Speaker 1: think is going on here is they're coordinating. There's a
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  Speaker 1: coordination of narratives in these in the all of these countries,
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  Speaker 1: all these different governments, and they're different varying academic nerve centers.
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  Speaker 1: To basically say, Okay, here's what we got to do. Now.
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  Speaker 1: What the goal of it is is a whole other
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  Speaker 1: thing that I think we have talked about. But the
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  Speaker 1: idea that men don't have problems, but men are the
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  Speaker 1: problem is like the thing that we're getting again, how
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  Speaker 1: is it also the case? How is it possible that
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  Speaker 1: this is the same story we're getting in England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Europe.
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  Speaker 1: So that includes Spain, France, Germany, all the Nordic countries,
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  Speaker 1: all of the Mediterranean countries, like you know, like I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned Spain and Italy, the United States of America, Canada, Australia,
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  Speaker 1: and New Zealand all have the same narratives, all the
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  Speaker 1: same things, and they're all worried about the same shit,
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  Speaker 1: and then they say, we have a body of international
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  Speaker 1: evidence that demonstrates the you know, these these uh these
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  Speaker 1: problems that this is actually really nefarious. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: That means that we've all colluded together and we've all
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  Speaker 1: investigated ourselves and found that men are the problem. So
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  Speaker 1: like they're they're they're what they're doing now is they're
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  Speaker 1: circling the wagons. This is what I think. And they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to craft like the ultimate global meta narrative against men,
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  Speaker 1: and they're using like international evidence, which is basically you know,
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  Speaker 1: feminists in in Australia calling feminists in the United States
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  Speaker 1: and saying, hey, you know what, what should we do?
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  Speaker 1: The men are starting to get uppity over here. The
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  Speaker 1: men are starting to like care about their country and
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  Speaker 1: their people and their and their future and there you know,
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  Speaker 1: whether or not they're gonna be able to get a job,
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  Speaker 1: whether or not they're gonna be able to have some children,
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  Speaker 1: whether or not their country is gonna look the same,
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  Speaker 1: like like be a place where they want them because
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  Speaker 1: they grow up, How do we stop them? And they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be like just invoke manosphere. It's everywhere guys now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, it's been this way forever. Like the countries
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  Speaker 1: that don't care about that, they're just going to continue to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like grow. But we're the only ones, or
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  Speaker 1: at least like by and large, that are engaging in
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  Speaker 1: this attack on men and allowing this to happen. And
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  Speaker 1: I think they're doing this on purpose, and they're working
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  Speaker 1: together to do it. That's what I think anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's almost like they are they are
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  Speaker 2: recognizing that men are probably who we're going to solve
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  Speaker 2: these problems that we're facing, but they don't want them
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  Speaker 2: to actually. Like, the thing is that when you have
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  Speaker 2: systemic problems like the ones we're facing, usually what happens
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  Speaker 2: is a pretty seismic institutional shift in other words, maybe
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  Speaker 2: even a complete like sweeping the board and rebuilding stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I think these institutions are terrified of that, so
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  Speaker 2: they want to keep men on the plantation, and they
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  Speaker 2: want to keep shaming men for all the problems that
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  Speaker 2: they are creating to see if they can continue to
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  Speaker 2: get men to fix them. So they create a problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's like this argument I had on Twitter when this
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  Speaker 2: woman thought I was a man and she said, you
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  Speaker 2: aren't strong enough to save me from my weakness, and like,
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  Speaker 2: how did you make how did you make your weakness
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  Speaker 2: a condemnation of my so called identity as a man?
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  Speaker 2: Like I just I just looked at that. I was
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  Speaker 2: just astounded. And that's the same kind of dynamic they
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  Speaker 2: are making the problems that they create. They're making men
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  Speaker 2: responsible for the problems that they create. Mm hmm, particularly
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  Speaker 2: when it's problems that they create that specifically impact men.
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  Speaker 2: They're making them responsible for those problems, and they're shaming
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  Speaker 2: men for having an opinion on being victims of the
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  Speaker 2: things that they're doing. All right, let's just let's start.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start getting into it because okay, yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like we've ranted enough.
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  Speaker 1: Not fine. In this post digital world, there is little
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  Speaker 1: or no delineation between what's viewed and experienced online and
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  Speaker 1: what's lived in the real world. This means we have
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  Speaker 1: to consider the potential harms of the manisphere not as
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  Speaker 1: remote or abstract, but as very real and not to
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  Speaker 1: be underestimated or dismissed.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm.
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  Speaker 1: So you see there, I haven't read this article, and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know, Like I'm I wasn't really sure if
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  Speaker 1: it was going to be like a good article. I
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  Speaker 1: just noticed that, you know, it was more more of
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  Speaker 1: the same thing, like they're doing what are they doing
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  Speaker 1: in the UK? Now? They're going to be teaching boys
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  Speaker 1: about respecting women. They literally teach boys how to respect
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  Speaker 1: women in the UK now. And there was another country
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  Speaker 1: that was doing it too that I oh, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it was the Green Party. The Green Party in the
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  Speaker 1: UK has like you know, there's like an offense that
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  Speaker 1: you can commit when you I want to say, like
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  Speaker 1: correct a woman, Like if a woman said something and
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  Speaker 1: you say, actually, you can like get in trouble with
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  Speaker 1: the party. And I was like, God, you guys are
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  Speaker 1: so cooked, bro.
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  Speaker 2: And you know that's going to spread. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: spread because this is our solution to everything, is to
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  Speaker 2: silence men, blame men, and then tie their hands. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is that what we have constructed, through
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  Speaker 2: this entire method of this entire lie that we've told
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  Speaker 2: ourselves about women being oppressed, right, what we have constructed
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  Speaker 2: is a situation that puts the least capable and the
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  Speaker 2: least responsible into positions of power, just just like a
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  Speaker 2: like an escalator, into positions of power, positions of influence.
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  Speaker 2: And then we're inheriting a disaster. Plus all of this
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  Speaker 2: virtue signaling, the only thing it empowers is narcissists and sociopaths.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, we are a world that produces narcissism and
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  Speaker 2: so essentially prioritizes narcissism and sociopathy for positions of power
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  Speaker 2: and incompetence. And the reason why I say that is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, women aren't aren't necessarily the problem I know
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  Speaker 2: Migtao today is probably, you know, sharpening his acts as
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  Speaker 2: I say that, if we had put today oh or
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  Speaker 2: MiG Til, he's in he MiG Tailed, He's in the comments.
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  Speaker 2: He was upset because we said that women would have
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  Speaker 2: to vote to get rid of their vote and he
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  Speaker 2: and he was saying, oh, there's all other kinds of ways,
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  Speaker 2: like the Muslim takeover, Like we haven't talked about that.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't explicitly said it's not going to be men
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  Speaker 2: that take away women's vote. It's going to be women
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  Speaker 2: mismanaging the society that gave them their vote and crashing
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  Speaker 2: and burning it, like that's what's going to happen. That
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  Speaker 2: the men are probably going to be fighting in the
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  Speaker 2: trenches to try to retain women's rights. Meanwhile, women are
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  Speaker 2: sucking up to the invaders anyway. The point is that
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  Speaker 2: it's not necessary women. It's women who are accountable to
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  Speaker 2: nothing in nobody, right, And we're putting people who are
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  Speaker 2: accountable to nothing and nobody, not even the people who
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  Speaker 2: built the things that they're taking over, not even they're
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  Speaker 2: not even conveying. There's no conveying of institutional knowledge. There's
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  Speaker 2: no conveying of the kind of knowledge that you require
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  Speaker 2: to run something like if you, if you, if you
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  Speaker 2: go into a job, right, you have things you need
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  Speaker 2: to learn, and we can't even there isn't even that
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  Speaker 2: conveyance of information from one generation to the next. Because
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  Speaker 2: of exactly what you just said, Brian, the Green parties like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: if you explain something to a woman, you could get
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  Speaker 2: in trouble. Well, that's been sort of the informal rule,
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  Speaker 2: if not actual rule, for a lot of workplaces for
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  Speaker 2: a long time. So men built all of this and
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  Speaker 2: they can't even convey the institutional knowledge necessary to run
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  Speaker 2: it to women or their man'splainers. Right. So women are
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  Speaker 2: just going into these jobs and listening to nobody and
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  Speaker 2: for and they're not even accountable for the things that
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  Speaker 2: they're doing. If you replace well, I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what the critical mass is, but if you start
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  Speaker 2: replacing people who know how to do their job with
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  Speaker 2: people who are self righteously offended, if you tell them
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  Speaker 2: how to do their job and have no sense apparently
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  Speaker 2: think that accountability is patriarchy, how long do you think
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  Speaker 2: things are going to function. And that's what we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: across the board media, academia, publishing houses, animation, politics, it's
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  Speaker 2: across the board. Law, it's across the board. And it's
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  Speaker 2: again it's not because necessarily women. I mean, if the
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  Speaker 2: if the women, like the peasant women from like the
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  Speaker 2: seventeen hundreds are the ones being put in, probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be as bad because they still had a sense of
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  Speaker 2: accountability of their families and their community. But women who
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  Speaker 2: have been trained by feminism to regard being taught how
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  Speaker 2: to do something as an offense against their womanhood and
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  Speaker 2: being held accountable for the results as an offense against
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  Speaker 2: uh good, you know what is good? And holy? Well,
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  Speaker 2: where where these are? This is? This is bad, okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right, and nobody wants to point it out. We
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  Speaker 2: just want to blame men more for the results, Okay, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I got a super child from Richard Bierre.
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  Speaker 2: Well we should probably read the other ones too, eh
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  Speaker 2: me as well.
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  Speaker 1: So we got a couple yesterday that came through, so
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  Speaker 1: the context might be lost. But so Richard Bierre sent
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  Speaker 1: these was the grandfather and granddaughter walking together and she
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  Speaker 1: asks about trees and the grandfather is telling her about
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the beforetime when trees were abundant. At the end, the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: camera zooms out and you see them both wearing gas masks. Again.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know what this. I think they were. The
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: context is lost, but I'm reading it because you know
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: we got them yesterday, So thank you, Richard. Then Meredith
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: g gave us one yesterday. HBr talked three eighty three.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: The problem with claiming that the Founding fathers were stupid
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: is that it ignores the fact that there are mountains
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: of writing the shows. They were intelligent and very thoughtful
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in how the craft died the nation. That is why
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you can have an entire book called Ideological Origins of
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the American Revolution. Not an easy read, by the way.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you Meredith for that. And then I
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: got I guess there were like several five dollars things.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: That's just my tasks.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Metal never mind me shiny metal butt all right. Then
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: then Richard Bierre sent us five dollars just now and said,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: unrelated to this topic. But I heard the other day
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that Candice Owns has been called up by Alex Jones
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: because her theories are too crazy for even him to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: entertain and explore. Thank you, thank you for that. Okay,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: so now we've done all the super chows, all right.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: The gendered content spiral broadly. The manisphere is centered on
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: anti feminist, misogynistic, and anti gender equity ideas and beliefs. Okay,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So I don't have a problem with any of that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So okay, First of all, when they say the manisphere,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, it includes us. It
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: does because anyone who's pushing back on the feminist narrative,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: which is essentially a story about the dynamic which men
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and women, which is based on a lie. Anyone who
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: pushes back on that is lumped in with the manisphere.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: So when they because I saw the other day, I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: got comments from Albert who's really really mad because we
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: don't hate Pearl and Andrew Tate enough for his taste,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and he's like, you guys got to condemn them, you know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: almost like if we do that, then the mainstream media
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: will let us continue to do our work and not
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: call us.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Like you do. Realize how many names that we were
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: expected to freaking to hate in order to prove something
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: to the people who don't who want to silence us
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: in the first place. I'm not turn.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Us to condemn people ever since we started.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I am not turning Honey Badgery Radio into the anti
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: hate platform. I don't then, Okay, when feminists start saying, oh, really,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: we didn't intend to create Andrew Tape, I know we're
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: responsible for him, but we're sorry and we want to
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: distance ourselves from the things that we did that created
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: this man. When it feminists do that, maybe I'll consider
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: taking responsibility for something that I actually warned would happen
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: years ago. Because this Andrew tape basically was birthed. It
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: came emerged like Athena, from the forehead of Zeus, from
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the Corpus, the collection of feminist academic thought on masculinity.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: They left one passingly pro social way to be a man,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and that was to please women with your body. Playboy,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: There you go. You got what you asked for, feminists.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And when feminists disavow this and say, hey, maybe we
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have stripped manhood of all of its other positive
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: qualities and leave only one, maybe we should can reconsidered
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that before we taught all of this right, when they
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: take responsibility for Andrew Tate, well, I won't even take
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: responsibility then, because I had nothing.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: To do with it. No, you knew anything wrong and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: do anything You're right, I mean, like even then, Like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it's I'm pointing out that I'm just
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: reminding people when they say the manisphere or the red
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: pill or whatever, they do not exclude us. They do
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: not exclude the reasonable people who have been doing this
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: every day for thirteen years. They they you know that
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: are trying to be like, you know, rational and advocate
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: from a place of like, here are some things that
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: need addressing. It doesn't matter. In fact, we're probably worse
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: for them than the people that they put out in front,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: because what we propose is something that's actually like, you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: first of all, it's doable, it's it's appealing, and it
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: will actually like have definite positive effects and it comes from,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: i think any way, a place of humility. So like
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that's not useful, that the optics wouldn't be good, So
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: instead they go after somebody that's convenient for them.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: They don't. They go after Andrew, They'll go after anybody.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: They just use them as.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: The but they're platforming him.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: He goes everywhere.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Well he did. I'm pretty sure they're auditioning for the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: next one. Probably Nick Fuentes.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, Nick Fuentes is part of the manisphere, Alison.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But they they essentially every five years they get
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a new one, right.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and again whatever reason.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: These faces of the Manisphere get stale after about five years,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: so they've just manufactured a new one and they give
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: them a platform, and everybody has to be like, oh,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: don't be like that. Guy.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's and that's all it is.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: It's all it's all a way to discredit yea you're
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: talking about Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And what am I going to lose by saying us
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: this not my clowns, not my monkeys, not my circus,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: simple as all right, it's it's not I am in.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I am agnostic on the Andrew Tate question. All right,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: moving on.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: All right, Well anyway, I'm just saying when they say manisphere,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: they mean us too. So broadly they're anti feminist, misogynistic,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and anti gender equity. No, I want to I also
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: want to talk about this a little bit. So they
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: look at the what they're doing with the words here
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: they equate anti feminist, misogynistic, and anti gender equity. Okay,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And so that they're saying, if you're one of these things,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: are all of these things. It's the way that they
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: put it out there, right, So they're they're like, because guys,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like feminism is just it's just the good thing to believe,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Like don't you believe in the good things, or you're
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: not a good person that believes good things? It's feminist
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: them is when good things, So don't you like that
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: are you anti the good things, then you must be
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: for the bad things, like this is the kind of
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: childlike behavior, the childlike the theories behind this. Okay, So
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and then they go misogynistic, which of course is you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: just the mainstream bludgeon. It's the bread and butter combo.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: And then anti gender equity.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Because they don't want young men listening to people like us. Yeah,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and they don't. They so don't want us, want it
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: that they don't even mention us. I remember a while
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: back they would, and then I think they realized, hmmm,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: it makes much sense. You better better not to start
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: allowing these people in the in the public eye. A
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: while back I did a whole bunch of interviews and
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Karen did even more, and I think we made too
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: much sense, guys. That was the problem.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I probably should have just become incoherent and then started
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: ranting about some other random crap and and they probably
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: would probably would have getten much more attention. Right, Just
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: just find another political thing to deal with, you know.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: This is this is what's important, not actually recognizing men's
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: issues and men's vulnerabilities and dealing with them. Right, if
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: we rely on men so much and we do. Maybe
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: we should help them out, Maybe we should make sure
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: they have the things they need to be productive. What
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a radical thought. Huh No, that's not the message they
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: want to hear. They want to hear a message of
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: men's issues are not our problem. We don't have to
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: know why. Because they don't make money. They don't make
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that's a simple, honest to god truth. They don't make money.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: They're not a good grift and they don't. They don't
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: give you clout, and they and for the for the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: narcissists and the sociopaths who are busily consolidating all of
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: their power and money. They don't give good excuses to
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: subjugate other people like they don't. They don't, they don't.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: They don't provide good virtue signaling so that they can
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: smash and grab while you're you're you're admiring their halo. Right,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: it's just it's just not it's not a good enough
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: lie because it isn't one. It's the truth. And that's
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: what they're really afraid of. They're afraid of the truth
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: exposing their entire, the entire edifice of bullshit that they
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: have constructed. Right that that's what they're scared of right
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: and all of this is just it is just an
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: ideology protecting itself. It's just that religion calling out the heretics,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you know, like when when religion goes really crazy, like
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the Spanish Inquisition. Real funny about the Spanish Inquisition. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: don't know if people notives know this. There was a
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: huge profit motive because they would accuse someone of heresy
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and then they take its money. There was a huge
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: profit profit motive motive to the Spanish Inquisition. And yeah,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: they were essentially and in many cases it had absolutely
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with faith or whether or not you
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: were appropriately religious, or even if you were engaged in
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: any kind of heresy. It was because you were wealthy
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and you got on the wrong side of the wrong people,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and then they would just steal your steal your wealth
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and put you in So we're basically in a Spanish
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Inquisition with fewer thumbscrews. That's exactly what these people do.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: They're a smash and grab organization, and women's issues provide
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a lovely veil of virtue and they turn people's brains off.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It's astounding. You can turn a person into a drooling
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: moron by simply saying well, men are or sorry, women
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: are hurting somewhere, and then they lose all cognitive function.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: They turn into a zombie. And then you're like, yo,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: give me money, listen to me, do what I say,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and then the women who are hurting, which I made up,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: will stop hurting and people fall for it. It's like,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: you know, if you have older relatives and you sort
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of like a little scared because they aren't quite on
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the ball when Nigerian prince sends them an email you
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, and you're like, no,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: that's that is a con This is the entire human race.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: The entire human race is like a your great aunt
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: with dementia being targeted by an entire army of Nigerian princes.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And the Nigerian princes are feminism and we're just being
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: targeted by an entire army of con artists, and we
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: just buy into it because it turns our brains off.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: As soon as women get harmed, our brains turn off,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: our wallets open, and we do whatever they say, like
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: drooling morons. Okay, I'm done.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: All right. Uh So anyway, let me see here. Broadly,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the men sphere centered on anti okay content can initially
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: appear harmless. It presents information and insights on health, fitness,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and financial and career success, but these are generally founded
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: on rigid, gendered ideas, extreme and isolating pursuits of self optimization,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and unhealthy ideas about relationships with girls and women.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Because we because it recognizes a gender dynamic and heterosexuality. Basically,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I see that they just completely gloss over men's issues.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: You know, I think we're actually like a couple of
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: generations behind are in the past. Now men are fighting
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: just to have be able to desire women and just
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to be able to identify as men, you know, you know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: set aside like shared parenting and actual recognition for male
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: victims of domestic violence and sections. Though now men are
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: at just identifying as we exist. You exist. No, that's
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: not all out Yeah, okay.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's again. I think that's on purpose,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Like you can't even get your you can't begin to
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: talk about the issues because you're still telling me that
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: like manhood isn't even real. There's no such thing as
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: a man, but there is such a thing as a woman.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Because they're threatened by the men, So you have to.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Be careful there, Brian. There's no such thing as a
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: man when it comes to any kind of vulnerability, but
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: we do need a scapegoat, so men do exist. Oh
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: that's true, Yeah, exactly, all right, it makes sense.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: New research has identified a shift in the manosphere towards
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: monetization and entrepreneurial entrepreneurialism to scientific wellness and alignment with
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: extremist ideologies. There's your contest stuff.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Oh god, you know what this is. Now. They're going
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: after making a living.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, entrepreneurial right up there with pseudo scientific wellness
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: whatever that even means, well.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: They have. They they're going after natural stuff.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Like you know, oh like people who are like excluding
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: seed oils yeah, and the as and taking supplements. Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Like, honestly, this is this is really strange. I'm gonna
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: put it out there. The only place I see white
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: couples or white families and posters anymore are natural supplement
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and wellness like stores. I don't know if you've noticed that,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: but yeah, but anyway, so they're they're going after they're
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: even going after the homeopathy. They're going after any kind
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: of supplements because they don't they don't they want you
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: to be sick, you know, and.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: The science Allison, Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Being healthy is patriarchal because it's like you're holding people
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to a standard of wellness. How dare right? Yeah, So
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: they're they're they're lumping this in and it's because they
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: want to go after that. They don't want people to
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: have access to natural medicine. They want everybody to be
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: cured with a vaccine and surgery and made like, at
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: least in Canada, uh, surgery you can't actually get. You're
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: on like a five year waiting list and made. So
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: basically we're down to vaccines and and uh and euthanasia.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Those are gonna be our Those are gonna be our
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: options for health in the future. That's what they want
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: to bring it down to.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: And if you're if you're not, if you're against that,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you're into pseudoscientific wellness.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You're a manosphered. It's even worse. Welcome, Welcome, you want
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: to actually take vitamin D in the winter, you want
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: to have your little white panel. Welcome to the manosphere.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: You want to you want to get you don't want
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: to get fit. Welcome to the manosphere. I hope you
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: enjoy your stay, you know, like we could show you around.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: We've been here for a while, Jesus.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right. And then of course extremist ideologies,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: which I don't know if they're gonna go get into
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: at all. They don't have to. They said the word extremists,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: so that should that should scare them, okay. Users may
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: encounter content documenting extensive morning routines beginning at four am.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: These videos can involve multiple wellness related rituals, recommendations for
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: preserving testosterone, and diatribes on mental natural roles as providers
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and families.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're probably talking about like Bjorn, you remember, like
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the Viking guy.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think he talked about like tesosphone levels and stuff.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: They're smearing everything together.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. But you know again, it's like
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: there are guys, like there's a whole branch of life,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: like you know, these kind of fitness and wellness guys online.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of women on Like there's
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: plenty of that. Like you know, I've never seen a
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: dude by a healing crystal. But and but nobody has
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a problem with that, Like and I don't, I don't care,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: like whatever, No.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Nor are they saying the femosphere is promoting horrible gender
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: roles and violence.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, they are the they are the femisphere.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but yeah, like there it's basically anything that
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: is trying that men are doing on their own, that's what.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: It just sounds like anything that men are involved in
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that that isn't like approved by these people is the manisphere.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: So like if you're like, oh, yeah, I'm cutting carbs, well,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: guess what, buddy, your Yeah, well, I mean it's the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: very Hey, I'm gonna go get my t levels checked.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Oh it sounds like MANI Spere talk to me, buddy,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: They're gonna have to give you in the Ministry of
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: not the Manisphere.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ministry of not the penis people. Yeah, it's
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: always you watch this for thirteen years. They just go
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: after everything, every place that men are, even the existence
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: of men, They go after every bit of it, even
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: men having an identity as a provider. They can't they
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: can't stand that men should have no identity, they should
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: have nothing positive to strive for, They should live in
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: an existential acid death for the rest of their lives. God.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And then they turn around and say, hey, everybody else
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: is so mean. Yep, bullies.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: All right, sorry, all right, so new research has identified
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: as shift. Now I read that part. Users may encounter
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: content documenting extensive morning routineans already read that one too. Sorry.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: The menisphere adjacent content generated by trad wives and stay
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: at home girlfriends glamorize women. Yeah, now they're going after
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the women. Uh and realistically unrealistically curated.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, what the hell is sex in the city, Like
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: an unrealistically current curated life? You need all of the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: all of the stuff on single women in cities and
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: all that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Like going to find themselves and yeah, you're going to
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: find themselves.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And the absolute lack of any kind of consequences that
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: you know, some men can't prevent them from having. You know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that's that's not curated. Okay, all right, I'm done.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unrealistically curated life. A woman performs a caring role
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: in the home, issuing feminist ideas and advocating for women's
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: return to the domestic sphere. It's often connected to white
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: supremacy and far right conservatives.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Of course, gosh, everything is manisphere. In fact, this article
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: is part of the manisphere. In ten years, every.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be in maybe one year. If there's a
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: game in here that like could be considered against men.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: It talks about men, like that's something that exists. Yeah,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: when all that exists is the patriarchy and the penis
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: people who are bamboozled by the patriarchy. But they can
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: never not be bamboozled unless they have mental chips implanted
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: that basically recite Andrew Dwarkin in their brains twenty four
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: to seven.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, okay, grief, all right, all right, all right,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: so we're going after the yeah, the women and call
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: and get white supremacy, even if it's a black woman
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: that wants to be tried whatever.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: There's evidence boys can find Manosphere content helpful and positive,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: so they gotta Okay, so there is some good here,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: but now I gotta like twist it. Do some seek
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: validation and belonging in these spaces. This makes the need
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: for them to engage with it critically even more prescient
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: real world harm.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, No, I gotta get in there. You critically critically.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: You want young men to engage with content that's being
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: presented to them critically, not your content, though you're absolutely correct,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: even though there is no non ideological body of science
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: that has actually proven feminists premacies correct. We are operating
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: under the assumption that men oppress women, and there is
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: no legitimate proof that they do so. So you want
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: these young men to grow up with this attitude towards
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: themselves and not have any critical thought about it. In fact,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you probably are saying they should be. Their critical thought
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: shoud be applied to the things I'm saying. In other words,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: they should reject them on the face as wrong. Why
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: why should we Why should we continue to accept this ideology?
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Why why should any of us continue to accept something
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: that is so patently wrong right, so bullying, so nasty,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: so mean spirited, so actually nothing like what it says
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: it is right? Why do we need to continue to
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: accept this? What is the reason when there is no
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: actual truth to it? Okay, yep, go ahead.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Real world harm research widely shows manusphere content causes harm
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: both to the boys and men who consume it and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to other people in their lives. What where's the research
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: causes real world I hope they go into this.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: The international body of evidence claim is basically gesturing at
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: a loose pile of reports and studies from UN agencies, NGOs, governments,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: and academics that interpret online mail spaces as a pipeline misogyny, violence,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: or extremism, rather than one specific type evidence base. So
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: it's just a bunch of op eds.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of op eds.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: There's a such.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: We've investigated ourselves and found the manisphere is going to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: kill women. Yeah, it's gonna genocide women.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: We're not saying that because it's just a retread of
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the thing we always say, which is women are going
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: to be harmed, and we're we're not saying women are
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: going to be harmed because it turns everyone's brains off,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: opens their wallets and makes us do makes them do
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: whatever we say. It's actually true this time, guys, it
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: really is.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, all right, oh god, okay. Viewing mansphere content
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: is known to contribute to unhealthy body image. It's also
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think so wait a minute, lead back up.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I think that women's standards
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: might contribute to unhealthy body image for boys. And I've
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: seen it because I go to the gym with Lindsey,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and we used to go to the gym like before
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I got cancer, and now that I'm like feeling, you know.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I got one more appointment coming up on the twenty
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: ninth for a CT scan to confirm that the cancer
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: is like at least gone, you know, completely. But we
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: started going back to the gym, and I noticed a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: lot of guys, young guys in their like late teens,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: early twenties, that are like really putting their body through
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: it to like get like shredded up. And you can
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: tell they're using geared. They're using well, steroid, I don't
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: know the house to describe it, because they get like this,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: like this back acne. I don't know if you guys
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: have seen this, but like if you steroids, there's like
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you can get like all kinds of side effects. But
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: they want to look a certain way. And a lot
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: of these guys are kind of like five, you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: like five seven, five eight, like they're shorter. So I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: think that I think that it's probably more likely that
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: it's women's standards that are creating body image issues for
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: young men and not the manisphere. I'm almost certain that
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that's true. I die on that hill, like what what
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: why would they be doing it for?
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Andrew Tait? Are they all being auditioning?
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: They're going to be looking at them like nice cock, bro, Yeah,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you become his cop doing it for women, Yes, you
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: know his cup bearer, you know. Yeah, they're trying to
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: figure out what women want.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're trying to and they're.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Trying to like yeah, square that circle exactly, all right.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I can I can go on a little bit about
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: what they're what they're pointing to when they say there's
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: an international body of evidence, they're likely bundling together things
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: like un level alarms about the manosphere as a global
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: threat to gender equality and a driver of violence against
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: women and girls. So the institutions that rely on everybody
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: staying asleep about men's issues have said that the people
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: who talk about men's issues, even tangentially or adjacent or
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: even just briefly, they're the ones who are the problem.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: What else would they say? Ngo and quasi government reports
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: example Canadian Museum for Human Rights UK Victims Commissioner that
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: describe the manosphere as networks normalizing digital misogyny, echo chambers,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: and gender based violence, especially for boys and young men,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: especially for boys and young men. So there's a recognition
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: that some other group is engaging in gender based violence. Okay,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I guess we don't want to poke that particular rabbit hole,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: national or sector specific documents, education unions, mental health lobbies
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and Rose acclaiming Rose, Oh, you son of a bitch,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: you popped up here. Oh guys, you want to know
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: what Androse is. It's a feminist organization, domestic violence organization
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: in Australia that has constructed a situation where men who
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: are victims of domestic violence have to have something like
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: two to three times the body of evidence as a
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: woman who is a victim of domestic violence, and one
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: counterclaim by their abuser negates it. That's and Rose And
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: they're supposed to and they're saying they're creating equality.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: What kind of.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Fucking equality is that? Right? What is the equality there?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: You are constructing a two tiered justice system in which
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: male victims of domestic violence are basically buried by a
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: burden of proof. That's absurd, right, This is sorry and
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Rose is a particular beef of mine, claiming menosphere content
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: worsens attitudes towards women, worson's attitude towards women, and increases
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: risk of harm in schools, relationships, or communities. Wow, certainly
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: we should continue to support these institutions that engage in
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: overt discrimination against boys and men when they are victims
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: of sexual assault and domestic violence, because God forbid there
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: be an increase in domestic violence and sexual assault against
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: the people we actually give a fuck about. You know what,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I'm being generous when I say that these organizations give
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: a fuck about female victims of sexual assault and domestic violence.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: They don't.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: They don't. They like them because they make money. They
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: make money, they give them clout, They don't give up
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: rats fucking ass about them. They don't give a rats
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: ass about any victim, but female victims make them money,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: and they actually have embraced policies that ensure more women
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: experience domestic violence. More women are stuck in those situations
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: because otherwise they would have to question feminist orthodoxy. So
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: there are interventions right now, practical interventions right now that
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: can reduce the rate at which women are victimized by
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: domestic violence. But they're not being pursued, oh no, because
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: they threaten feminist orthodoxy. And by feminist orthodoxy, I mean
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: the gigantic trough of money, trough, the gigantic tsunami of
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: money that they get for pretending women are harmed meanwhile
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: promoting those very harms that they profit off of. These
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: people are despicable, right, even if you don't care about men,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: you should really consider opposing them for women's sake. Because
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: get this, if we actually had a science based look
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: at domestic violence that included the full scope of the information,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: we could probably do a lot more to make women
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: safe and prevent harm lots more. But we can't because
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: guess who is stopping that. Guess what unscientific cretiness, mass
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: of bullshit is stopping an actually science based look in
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: domestic violence. Guess guess? And they know that means more
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: women are victims of it. They know it, they know it,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: and they're fine with that because they advocate for women
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: women for money. Okay. Academic articles that frame misogynist online
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: communities as gateways to the far right or violent extremism,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: or conceptualize evidence based misogyny within evidence based misogyny conceptualize
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: evidence based.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: What evidence academic misogyny.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: That conceptualized evidence based misogyny with the manosphere, Well, we
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: shared one, Brian. It was that that's remember that puzzle
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: that female Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's evidence based misogyny.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Yep, basically reality. The reality is evidence based misogyny.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I would also guess that the evidence that men and
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: women rape at approximately the same rate, with a high
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: degree of women raping men, that's probably also evidence based misogyny.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: So we got a new category. Guys, Hey, this is
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: this is good?
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Eh.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Well, at least we got something new, evidence based misogyny.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Are you an evidence based misogynist?
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I am?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I am an evidence based misogynist.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, bade, evidence based misogynists, scientifically rigorous misogynist, empirically sourced misogynists.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Oh god, okay, next, all right, back to this. Yeah,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: let's why we're going through this slow.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's all right, it's it's it is kind of
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: a big article though, too, all right. Research widely oh
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: wait causes Oh yeah, Research widely shows manuscear content causes harm,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: both to the boys and men who consume it and
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the to other people in their lives. Viewing manasphere content
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: is known to contribute to unhealthy body image. It's also
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: correlated with beliefs about violence being permissible. Manisphere sentiments have
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: been identified among men who use violence violence being permissible.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Let me let me look that up. Let me look
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: that up.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And you keep going, Okay, I feel like it's gonna
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: be like not necessarily violence against women. But that's why
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: they're not saying violence against women. They're just saying violence
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: and instead. There again, it's reality. It's like, yeah, sometimes
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: you got to use violence to protect yourself or you know,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: in defense of like the your property or whatever. That's
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: what I'm guessing it's gonna be. But anyway, our own
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: research into the influence of Manosphere content on boys' behavior
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: in schools has shown a shift in boys's attitudes towards
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: women and girls. Teachers report a discernible uptick in incidence
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: of gendered violence in their schools. H okay, well, so
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you got feminine. You have female teachers, most likely who
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: already agree with your worldview, and they're seeing interactions between
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: boys and girls. And because words are violence, and attitudes
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: are violence, and opinions are violence, and science is violence,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: they are seeing violence. Girls being uncomfortable is violence as well,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And so yes, they're gonna see violence. I just don't
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: believe you guys anymore. I just don't and I don't care.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't think this is happening. There's
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: also a video on this.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: But that's the Australia one. You sent it to me.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: We could, like I said, we could do a series.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: We could cover the Australia one next time.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: No, this is Australia.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: No, it's Japan today.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: No, Allison, this is that literally starts the first word
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: in the article is Melbourne, Melbourne, Australia. This is that.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: This is the video for this article.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Oh maybe we should have looked at the video. Oh
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: twenty eight minutes. Holy shit.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: No, okay, yeah, it's long. I mean it. I mean it.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: We could, but we're not gonna do it today. We
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: could do it another time. It might be the same
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: thing though, Okay. There's also emerging concern that Manisphere content
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: is contributing to a growing ideological shift among young men
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: and young women across multiple countries. Young men are voting
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: more conservatively than they used to. Gasp the humanity yeah
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: uh well, and again, you don't even have like a
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: definition for that. You just know it's not the way
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: you think they should vote, so you're just calling it conservative.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: So further, there is abundant evidence that misogyny a central theme,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: and Manisphere content is a predictor of all forms of
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: violence that includes gendered and extremist violence. There there's no
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: like you're just making claims, You're just correlating things. There
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: are growing calls to place misogyny at the center of
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: our the way. I'm sorry, there are growing calls to
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: place misogyny at the center our efforts, at the center
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: our efforts to counter and prevent extremist violence. That sentence
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. I thought, I'll read it the way
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I think it should be written. There are growing calls
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: to play misogyny at the center of our efforts to
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: counter and prevent extremist violence. That makes more sense. This
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: means acknowledging the role of the manisphere in the process
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: of radicalization racist. Oh so now we're talking about racism.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Did that came out of nowhere, didn't it. Racist and
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: misogynistic attitudes have also been identified as an urgent concern
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: for national security given their significant contributors to violence, treason, extremism.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was actually thinking about they used racism as
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: a buttressing maneuver. But I was thinking about this because
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I watched women talk about being in the workplace, well
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: feminist women, and one of the reasons why they said
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: that it was important. An important shift was because they
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: were even you know, white liberal women opposed the forces
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: of racism in the workplace. So they're legitimizing their own
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: claims and expectations and what they want by saying that
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: we were the only ones who could resolve this grave
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: evil that men allowed to run rampant. So they are legitimizing,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: justifying things like the vote workplace inclusion, even like forced
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: workplace inclusion, forced vote to I would say force workplace inclusion,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: and I say forced because the vote that women got
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: was not the vote that men got. They got their
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: own special category that was very special that men would
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: never have gotten. And all of these things, forcing themselves
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: into places, getting privileges without responsibilities is justified because they
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: protected the brown people, right, And that's a buttressing maneuver.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: So if people are like, well, I don't know, it
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: seems like you screwed everything, ladies, they'll be like, but
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: we got rid of racism, did.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: You, though, Yeah, I think I get that. Yeah, I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: think it's just another like these are all just methods
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: of like establishing not just moral dominance, but a moral monopoly,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Like we we have the monopoly on good and they
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: use these words to maintain it and until people like
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: realize that these words are only used for that and
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: they don't actually describe anything that's worth talking about. That
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: this is just they're just going to keep doing it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: And I think that what they're calling racism, misogyny and
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: all this other stuff, what they're calling those men that
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: are in the manisphere that are sort of like looking
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: at these young guys that are like frustrated, is that
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: they stopped giving a shit about those words. They stopped
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: giving a shit like callus racists. We don't care because
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: what they're trying to do, like basically like they want
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: a better world. They have inherited a world that hates them,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: that's hostile towards them for being born what they are,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: and when they speak out, they call them this. They say,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: you're you hate women, you hate gays, you hate blacks,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: whatever you hate X group that makes you a terrible person.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Shut up, sit down. We're not going to give you
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: a job. You can't afford anything, you don't deserve a woman,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: you should die alone and just like serve us, you know,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: and be like a tax slave for the rest of
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: your life. And these guys are like, we're not doing
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: that anymore. And we don't care about these words. They
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: don't mean anything. Guys. We have to stop using them.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: They're dead words. Okay, I'm sorry. If you're a gen
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: X or a boomer, you got to get over it.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: It's over. Those are done. We're not doing that anymore.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Where like people want these young guys, they want like
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: real on the ground solutions that make sense. Okay. And
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: if you don't give that to them and you keep
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: shaming them, I'm telling you don't worry about like Nick
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Fuentez or Andrew Tate. Worry about who comes after that.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: If you don't address this because you can't get rid
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: of these guys. You can't make them go away by
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: calling them racists and sexist or whatever. That's not gonna work.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: That's dead technology. Okay. We need to address the real
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: issues and have real, honest conversations.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Somebody was special in the Special Chat, just O Dean says,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: who enforces the law? It's men exactly, you guys. Feminists
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: argue that men constructed society right and through their roles
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: as vision providers and protectors, they constructed society for the
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: benefit of men. And yet what do they do They
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: construct laws that discriminate against men for the benefit of women,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: or at least the advocates who say they advocate for women. Right, Okay, well,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: you've just disproven own your own belief about the world.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Just o, Dean, you've just discredited yourself.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he but maybe he's trying to
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: make a claim that men could just do something about it,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: but they're.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Not going to now. Unfortunately, men are too afraid of
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: women's approval or disapproval. I'm gonna just I'll put it
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: right out there. That's what I see. It was like
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: with that one article we read. I mean, it's getting better.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: I think maybe with the newer generations because they realized that, well,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: what does playing that game get you? Really, what does
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: playing the approval disapproval game for women get you. It's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: not going to get you a wife. It's not going
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: to get you a girlfriend. You know, most met women,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: if they're not completely asexual at this point, are still
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: going after the top twenty ten percent. So and if
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: it does get you a wife or girlfriend, she might
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: not be sexually attracted to you. She might just be
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: after a meal ticket. And guys are realizing this, they're
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: realizing that there's nothing on offer. The buffet is picked over,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: you know, and the disapproval or approval of women is meaningless.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: It's meaningless, like at this point in time, the meaning
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: it has is purely punitive. They might get you fired,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: they might send you to jail, and that's a big thing.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: But there's no carrot anymore for a lot of men.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: And they've recognized that. And that's why I think we're
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: seeing this bucking of the concern over the labels that
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: women use to put men in their place. Okay, but
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: are people of this ideology to put men in their place?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: And what was I going to say? But still, you know, men,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: That last article is an example of this. Gen Z
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: and millennial men. Now they were men who were trying
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: to get jobs in Hollywood and media and academia, so
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: they probably were liberal men, but they they called out
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: boomer and gen X men for not fixing the situation.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: At the same time as they all were terrified of
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: actually being made public of having these opinions, even though
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: they didn't even have a career in these fields. They
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: had nothing to lose, but they were still terrified of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: being that guy. You know, the guy who's disapproved of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: by women. Well, that's the same dynamic that caused the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: problem in the first place. You think that gen Z
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: and Boomer men aren't also afraid of being that guy,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: the one that you know, women disapprove of. So they
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: they allowed all of this to happen, and it landed
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: really much hurt harder on the millennial and gen Z
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: guys for the million gen Z guys are doing the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: same thing. It's the same thing. You gotta get over that, right,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: It's not really that big a deal. And I, you
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: know what, as a woman, even I have that, it's like, oh,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I don't want just I don't want women to I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: have an anecdote, like I went to the city yesterday
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: and I went to Michael's and I was getting myself
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: a stretched canvas, as you do if you're an artist.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: And I don't know what how they stacked those damn canvases,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: but I got my canvas. The whole freaking display fell over,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: and I I and not just that display, the display
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: beside it fell over. So I spent a lot of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: time picking it all up, putting it back together, and
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: then I went back for another one. But I was
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I was checking out, and I realized we had like
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: a two for one on those on those canvas canvases.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: So I went back to get another one really quickly,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: and it fell over again, and I'm like, fuck it,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Like I don't even know. I don't know what kind
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: of goddamn magic the Michael's people use to keep those
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: damn things up the first time. And I have struggled
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: with this and now I'm under a time crunch. So
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I was walking away and some freaking boomer woman trottles
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: over and says I again to pick those up, and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: immediately I go back and start doing and then I'm
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: like thinking, why am I doing this? It's not my
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: fucking fault that this thing is not. I do not
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: know how to make this thing work. Yeah, and I
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: just left it. I'm like, fuck it, fuck you, fuck it.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: And even me, like even even women like me and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: men and you know, guys, who are you still get
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: still get that twinge when a woman shames you, Right,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: everybody's like that, but you know you just gotta say
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: fuck it, fuck it, right, I don't know how to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: get these things balanced again. I don't have the time
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: to do it. Fuck it. You can think I'm a bit.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: You can think I'm a white trash. You can think
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: whatever you want, but I gotta move on with my life.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Let these women think whatever they want. What are you
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: gonna get? What are they gonna take from you? Very little? Okay,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: unless unless your job is in the line, Yes you can.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: You can keep it quiet for the workplace, karens. Anyway,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: let's keep going, all.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Right, the next frontiers. Alongside the established evidence, we're seeing
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: signs of where manisphere beliefs might manifest next if they're
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: not already. In relationships and dating and vice, circulating and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: manisphere spaces will continue to frame intimacy in transactional and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: manipulative terms. This will erode trust in mutual respects while
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: normalizing male entitlement in relationships.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Entitlement. Okay, lady, a person, you wrote this.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: You know what women are looking for these days? This
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: is like completely divorce from reality. I'm sorry, else and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, not just what they're looking for, like statistical
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: evidence of what they look If men earned one hundred
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: and fifty eight percent more than the average single man did,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: they'd probably be married. And if a divorced man didn't
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: lose his job, he probably wouldn't be divorced. These are
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: the two biggest causal factors for getting married and getting
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: divorced is money. I'm sorry. Relationships are apparently transactional and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: men didn't make that rule, right. The manosphere of content
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: is just men trying to live with the transactional nature
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: that women created. They're not going to omit that.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Nope, not in a million years. Transactional so ridiculous. Women
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: are the ones with the ich lists and like the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: the ability to filter, you know, like men by their
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: height on dating apps. But okay, mm hmm. Over time,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: such messages risk reshaping or regressing expectations around dating, partnership,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: and consent. The manisphere of frames work and study as
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: competitive arenas, discourses around high value men and grindset culture
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: blame feminism or soft values for proceived failures or inefficiencies.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that's in the men themselves. Like I mean,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if if the people
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: who wrote this actually listen to us, so I think
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: we'd melt their brains. Because the mental sphere content is
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: saying it's effeminacy and feminism in the men, we're saying
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: it's in the institutions. That's the problem the difference, like
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: it's reframing it on men. Get rid of the feminacy,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: get rid of the feminist leanings. No, I'm not going
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: to say that to men. We need to get feminism
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: out of our institutions. Well, I mean, honestly, the institutions
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: are just going to fall and through process of elimination
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: and evolution, we're going to move away from that. But
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: you know, we could just get rid of it now
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: and see how it goes. That's what I would advocate for.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: I don't care if a man is a femboy. I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: don't care if he's a twink. I don't care if
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: he saw che's. Let's get rid of feminism from our institutions.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: I think that would actually melt these guys' brains. They're
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: not ready for that. They're just defended at the idea
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: that guy's saying, don't have limp risks, dude, you know slift.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Bro, Yeah, okay, okay. This narrative positions career success as
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: a masculine duty while dismissing collaboration and diversity, with long
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: term consequences for equity in schools and workplaces.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: So so, how is this going to have any consequence
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: for equity. You guys have got that sealed up, Like,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, are these boys that threatening? They're probably like
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: we've just gone over how they're not going to get
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: into academia. They're definitely not going to be getting into HR.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Where are these these boys who are going to just.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: So we're already not getting into those places. Yeah, so
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: they're already excluded. And then when men that what what
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I think the manisphere broadly would support is men get
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: like becoming entrepreneurial, like basically not getting into a company
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: that's going to treat them like a wage slave with
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: an HR department that it's always looking for a reason
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: to get rid of him. They'd rather just make their
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: own thing happen. And these people want men in the bureaucracy.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: We want them working as a worker bee in in
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the giant corporate, bureaucratic, feminist friendly HR run you know, uh,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: corporate culture. And men that don't want to do that, well,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: they don't want to collaborate, they don't want they don't
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: want diversity. They're not interested in equity. That's what they're doing.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: They're saying, men, why are you out here doing your
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: own thing. What's the grindset. That's like the again, it's
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: building your own wealth on your own without these people
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: meddling in your business. That's what their sets, what they're against.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: They want men in the bureaucracy, they want them doing
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: their part.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but well here's the thing, long term consequences for
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: equity and schools and workplaces. This is like literally the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: themosphere has locked all of that down.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Right, they've got the barbed wire. They're monitoring the defense,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: the perimeter with their stazi like there there's nothing, there's
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: nothing squeaking through. So and now they're saying, well, if
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: if boys actually develop a sense of themselves as boys
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: and start to value things like competition and striving, uh,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: there could be a problem. Like where are these guys
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: gonna end up in hr? Are they gonna end up
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: in academic positions? No, they're just going to be striving
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: in their jobs. Like this is insane. This is this
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: is the ravings of like some villainous in a tower
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: on her throne screaming at a mirror and saying, find
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: me the things that could have threaten my rule, and
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: the mirror is showing them some peasant boy, you know,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: playing in the mud finess, filthiness, somewhere in my perfect realm.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, you guys are insane. You are
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: so evil you have gone nuts. Okay, yep, it.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Is nuts, all right? This narrative, oh no, I already
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: read the part. Finally, Manisphere narratives of crisis and decline
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: dovetail with populist politics in the United States. Remember this
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: is Australia. They're like a world away. I don't know
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: why they would give a shit about what's happening here.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: They have their own problems. But okay, let's start about
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: the United States. In the United States, aggrieved male voters
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: have been central to Donald Trump's rise, attracted to his
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: performance of strongman masculinity. See now now okay, obviously, sorry guys,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: I know you're tired of hearing about him. But isn't
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: it interesting that earlier in the article they talked about
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: how this is the manisphere is like in bed with
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: white supremacy, and you know the guys they got Trump
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: into the office. It was Latino men and black men
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: that came out in like high numbers, especially the Latino men.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: So that that doesn't they can't square that circle. So
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: they're just gonna like say it and hope nobody looks
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: into it or ask the question. So, yeah, it was
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: men that came out because they were tired of the insanity.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: That's the only reason. And that was good enough. I'll
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: take it. So strong man masculinity again, if we just
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: take that on its own, like in isolation, what's wrong
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: with that? Also, they're wrong with with strong man masculinity.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: They hate that stuff we us. That's why they.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Hate literally all masculinity. Yeah, okay, any masculinity that opposes
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: them strong men or other.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: But that's why they call it strong man masculinitly ales
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: and like that. It is the It doesn't that the
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: adjective is irrelevant. It's masculinity they're going after. But they
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: they add strong men in the beginning because they want
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: you to refute the strongman part. But you're not paying
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: attention to the fact that they're not going after that.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: They're just using that. So like, I embrace the strong
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: man part. Fine, sure that's great. Now what that's what
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: that's how I see it. Okay, strong man masculine, sure,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: go ahead, fascist masculine, Okay, yeah, that's what it is. Now,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: what what are you gonna do about it. That's where
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: I'm at right now, because this is all that that's
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: this is all emotional manipulation. I'm not doing this anymore. Okay, I.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Just want to point something out, all right, Okay, there,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: the decline is is obvious. Okay, everywhere where women have
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: dominated in academia has suffered from a massive decline in
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: the ethics and reliability of academia, right everywhere they've gone
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: and they've dominated. Now publishing, publishing is probably in a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: terminal decline, and it may take the novel with it.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Like I've been doing a whole bunch of scraping on
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: the internet data to look into this. But it's we're
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: seeing a complete collapse. And it is not because people's
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: attention spans are so short. It's because the product is subpar.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: It doesn't function the way it is supposed to, and
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: it doesn't function the way it's supposed to because women
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: who are accountable to nobody and don't listen to anyone
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: about how the industry functioned now dominate everywhere in it
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: and it's in a death spiral that they can't get
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: out of because nobody. Everybody's too risk adverse. Right, this
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: is happening in every industry, crashing and burning, and even
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: like if you look at AI, which is probably male dominated,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: it is suffering from this kind of almost like cynical
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: nihilistic god complex because they think somehow AI is going
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: to solve things now. And I'm like looking at it,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: and I'm like thinking, so AI replaces human beings? Why
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: would you do that? We have plenty of human beings, Like,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: we're not lacking in human beings, why would you replace them?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: And I think that part of it is that a
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: lot of these tech pros are in this mindset of
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: being the one good man who is going to save
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: the bloody universe, and that itself is a manifestation of
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: the toxicity between men and women. All Right, So it's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: like it's across the board. The shittiest decisions are being
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: made because we got rid of the masculine toolkit, which
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: ends up getting rid of the feminine toolkit too, and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: now we're just operating on the narcissist, sociopath god complex toolkit.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: God help us, God help us, all all right, next
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: next part?
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: All right? All right, So, yeah, narratives are crisis, so
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: they call you in narratives a crisis. All men aren't
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: having problems. Men are the problem. Similar dynamics may surface
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: elsewhere as leaders draw on themes of protection, grievance, and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: a return to traditional order. So that all of this, okay,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: we got the fear mongering out of the way, so
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: now we're gonna get to their solutions. Let's see, I'm
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: not gonna read it. What do you guys think it's
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: gonna be. What do you think they're gonna propose? Where
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: do we go from here? What do you think they're
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: gonna say? Let me know. In the comments, I'm gonna
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: say we need to They're gonna say something like, we
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: need to have a conversation about a conversation. We need
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: to respond to this threat and censorship, we got to
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: ban them. Australia loves banning things. They're big on censorship.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: They're big on that. So okay, But anyway, where to
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: from here? The danger with manisphere content is that it
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: exaggerates and exploits real and perceive problems, issues and grievances
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: among boys and men. Oh so men have problems, but
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: the manisphere is what they're the wrong people to deal with.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Like this, this article is demonstrating how the demosphere will
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: give you a warm embrace and tend to your problems.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: They're clearly the best qualified.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm like, seriously, guys, if you're a man who's wondering,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: consider whether or not the person writing is going to
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: acknowledge and suggest dealing with your problems. Like I've had
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: this argument with feminists in the past, Like they would
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: say things like, uh, while men, you know, the patriarchy
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: prevents men from getting domestic services, And I would say things,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: why don't we just pay for them?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Why do we have to change an entire social organization
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: before men get shelters or whatever they need when they're
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: victims of domestic violence? Why don't we just pay for that?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: And they're like, but the patriarchy, and like, no, it's you.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: You.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: You have your fingers on the purse springs, the purse strings,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: and you, guys are the ones who are preventing any
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: practical solution, and you are you are creating a camouflage
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: for that by saying, actually, no, it's patriarchy that's preventing it,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: when it is you, Like it is so infuriating, and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: that's the thing. Just look at just listen to these
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: people do they acknowledge that men might not always be
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: the problem, Like when they say, uh, oh, what is it?
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: They say? The dangerous with menacephere content is that it
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: exaggerates and exploits real and perceived problems. Exaggerates. What do
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: you mean by that? What do they mean by this? Exaggerates?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Do you mean we say things like there is a problem,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: we should fix it? Is that exaggerating the problem? Is
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: exaggerating the problem? You know, anything that beyond just acknowledging
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: the problem and then saying, but the real issue is
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: how this affects women, And anything else is exaggeration, Like
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: maybe we should do something about it. That's an exaggeration.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should recognize these problems as legitimate on their
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: own without constantly appealing to how they affect women. That's exaggeration.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Can we is the stuff that I'm saying? Exaggeration? In
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: other words, if a society progressively and systematically ostracizes the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: psychological toolkit of half of its evolved members, it's going
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: to have a problem. Is that exaggeration? I don't look
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: around like I think that our society is sort of
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: entering the pain here, So we're gonna have a proof
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: in the pudding moment. Mm hmm okay, next paragraph.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, so where to from here? This means
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: it's becoming increasingly confusing to distinguish what are legitimate and
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: reasonable concerns among young men, what has been manufactured and
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: how victimhood can be constructed by manisphere ideologies.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, throw it all out, then, any claim, any issue
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: that men face, just let's just throw it out. We
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: can't be sure that it isn't exaggerated, and we will
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: be the ones who determined that, right, we will be
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: the ones who determine how much of men's issues we
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: should take care of. It's like that. It's like the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: fox determining how safe the henhouse is. No, no, no,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: don't don't put that that extra chicken That extra chicken
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: wire is unnecessary. That's an exaggeration of the dangers of foxes.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Oh you know what, actually, even having an enclosure that
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: is foxproof, that's an exaggeration of how dangerous foxes are.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Get rid of that. These people are despicable.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also interesting that they would say the manisphere promotes
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: a kind of you know, masculinity that's like you know,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: toxic and stoic and top and all of this. But
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: also they're trying to manufacture victimhood.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: And also yet we promote men being able to accept
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: their vulnerabilities and victimhood and cry, but deeply on our terms, Yeah,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: on our terms, we biefly suspect anything that men really
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: have to cry about. We don't believe that men should cry.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: But there's nothing they really have to cry about, so
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: shut up.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Yep, women have it worse.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Men cry. Women have it worse. Okay, next next paragraph?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Explicitly honing young people's critical digital literacy is an approach
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: committed to empowering young people to become more discerning, to
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: question not only what they are viewing, but its ideologies,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: how it makes them feel, and how platforms are designed
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: to provoke particular responses. Honing young people's critical digital literacy
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: is an approach. So they're gonna try to brainwash your
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: children away from manuscaret content or content they don't like. Basically,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm guessing. Yeah, they're going to teach them
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: skills to avoid content that disagrees with the hegemonic zych
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: pushing out.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Do they realize that reality is manosphere content?
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Like the manisphere isn't They live in a hyper real
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: illusion of the world, which is how they want it
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: to be, and they're going to make everybody live by that. Yes,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: what this is, they're trying to what they're supposed to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: live under their it's not even it's not reality. It
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: is an illusion, and we all have to accept the illusion.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: If we all accept the illusion, then it becomes real.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The reality is that young men experience being treated
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: like second second class citizens. They experience things like being abused,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: being raped, and sexually assaulted. In fact, there's more and
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: more young men who are being raped and sexually assaulted
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: by this incredibly violent, sexual violent generation of young women
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: that we have constructed chauvinistic like, incredibly sexually entitled, violent
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: young women. So more and more young men are experiencing
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: sexual violence and also experiencing being forced to take responsibility
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: for the sexual violence of other men. Meanwhile, women's sexual
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: violence is a non starter, so they're more experiencing more
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: of that. They're experiencing more of the domestic violence that
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: isn't being addressed, they're experiencing overt discrimination right. All of
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: this and in previous generations, most men, if they told
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: the party line could probably have a woman now they
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: don't even get that. And every time they try to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: understand what makes them attractive to women, like a by
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: sex species wants, you know, they want to be attractive
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: to the opposite sex, they get beaten down as being
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: wrong and they're only allowed to pursue being attractive to
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: women along very specific vetted vectors that feminists approve of,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: but women don't actually find attractive, and they have pressures
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: that they have to live up to in terms of
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: women's expectations looks, height, money, a certain personality type, and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: they have to do They have to live up to
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: these expectations to have a chance, but we can't talk
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: about them if they ever talk about them in order
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: to develop the skills to live up to them. They're toxic,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: misogynist manuscure freaks, right. They're experiencing this whole squirming ball
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: of fuck and that is their reality, and that is
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: what's pushing them towards trying to find out what is
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: actually going on. And yes, may from pumped up like
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: manisphere content that will acknowledge that there are problems, but
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: then just go right back onto. But you need the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: man up and it actively suppresses the real like that
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: the stuff that really opposes the narrative, which is us,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: which is society has to take responsibility for how it
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: treats its sons or society is going to collapse. That's
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: not a message they want to hear. They want to
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: continue to cash these free checks and it's boys and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: men's men who have to cover the balance. Like they
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: just want to continue to do that. They don't want
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: to make any changes because too many, too many people's
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: careers are reliant on that. I see this every every
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: time Michael Flood swans into my mentions. He's a feminist professor,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: big and an ros By the way, right, he's part
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: of a Rose. Well he's he's gotten a grant from
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: an Rosbe I shouldn't say part of he's gotten a
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: grant for a Rose to talk about male victims of
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: domestic fun. Good lord, But yeah, he's a career feminist.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: There's too many people whose career relies on this narrative.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna keep drilling boys, and that's what it is.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: People don't want to change because they get money for this,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: and they're just going to keep inflicting this nastiness on
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: boys and forcing boys to ignore reality and expecting boys
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: to cough up more sacrifice so that they can maintain
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: their fucking money. And here's the other thing. Boys are
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: facing an economy so crippled by government spending and corporate
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: bullshit like corporate government collusion, that they may never get
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: a job, so they have to they have to expend
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: there's what's left of their self worth. They have to
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: hand it over to these career feminists so that the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: career feminists can feel legitimated, can feel self righteous as
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: they exploit them and women, as they exploit everyone. It is,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: as I said, a squirming ball of fuck, and unfortunately
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: not many people want to hear that.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Yep, okay, all right, I got a rumble rant from
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Nova Fan twenty one gives a dollar and says feminist article,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: men are being tricked into believing values that worked in
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: a society far more successful than we are in today. Men.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Oh no, that's terrible. Tell me more so I can
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: avoid it. Yeah, all right, thank you. I mean, they're
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: looking for answers that these people hate, so not even
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: a guarantee that what it is they're they're reaching for
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: is going to work. But it doesn't matter. These people
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: want them back on the plantation effectively. Yeah, all right,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: explicitly holding young people's critical digital literacy already read that part.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. These skills promote the development of critical dispositions,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: essential lifelong skills that will help them to consume information
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: in a more informed, less reactive way. Critical literacy and
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: kids helps them to become adults who are informed and
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: discerning and therefore empowered.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Bullshit, all of this. None of this stuff has any
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: scientific legitimacy, none of it. Let's listen to this. Okay,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: there's no single, clearly cited data set that directly supports
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: that exact wording.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: The exact wording was manosphere sentiments have been identified among
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: men who use violence. Okay, this article is lying. There's
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: no evidence for that. It doesn't exist. And I'll go
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: down to the conclusion here. There is not in the
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: materials that they surface, So anything related to that sentiment,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: a single well defined data set that justifies the strong
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: categ goracle claim that manosphere's sentiments have been identified among
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: men among men who use violence. So they're outright lying
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: to their audience and they're talking about critical thinking. Critical
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: thinking starts with believing things that are empirically sound, none
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: of which is in this article. These are frauds. Fraudsters.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: They present the idea that they have some kind of
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: true knowledge about the world, and they don't. They are
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: lying to everyone and they're it's like, it's we've we've
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: we've gone past anything human and we're now in a
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: a society run by liars and shysters and psychos. This
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: is this is just lying and what are they and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: what at the end of the day are they going
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: to get Like if if boys look at the world
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: through their lens, which is basically denying reality because again
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: there isn't like manosphere people on a corner, like with
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: like a trench coat say hey, hey, little boy, got something,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: I've got something you'd like to see. Huh, It's that's ridiculous.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: It's not what's happening, right. They are experiencing being treated
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: like second class citizens and being told that they're privileged,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: and they are trying to square the fuck circle. Okay,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: you are outright lying to them about reality. You are
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: pissing on them and calling it that the saying it's
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: raining right, and they are noticing this because you can't
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: keep this cognitive dissonance. Right, I am being told I'm privileged,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: and yet in every single circumstance I have to concede
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: to the to the girls and women in my life
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: and take responsibility for the behavior of men who I
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: have no control over. Right, That's what's creating the problem
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: is the dissonance, and the dissonance is sending them somewhere
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: to get an explanation. Okay, you're making this problem. You
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: are creating this problem because you're expecting boys to believe
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: too contradictory, something that contradicts the their lived reality as
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: you would like to say, as you usually as these
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: people like to say, right experience, right, lived experience. Right,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: You're expecting them to believe something that contradicts their lived experience.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: And also you're expecting them to tolerate you as somebody
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: who is in power over them, treating them as lesser
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: while being told that they're the ones who have power.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: Cognitive is if stentent city. So they're trying to find
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: an explanation for it, and then they go online. You
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: are driving them into it. And the only way, like
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: this critical reading of Manisphere content, how are you going
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: to manage that? Like if they are looking for an
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: explanation for why you're lying to their faces. I don't
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: think anything you tell them is gonna help unless it's
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: the truth. And nobody's gonna tell them the truth because guys, boys,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: your mental health and well being is irrelevant. These people want,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: they want justification for why they get to continue to
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: be paid.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: So they'll just create a bunch of lazy bullshit that
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: paints a target on you. God, I wish we could
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: talk to more people. I wish we had more of
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: a reach. No instead we Instead it's Andrew Tate.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, well that's the end of the article.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I thought there was more crap. No, we
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: could look at the comments.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: You want to look at the comments. They seem to
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: mostly be critical. Yeah, uh mostly.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: I mean what's the most critical?
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: The most critical? I don't know I even read.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Them all, but I mean, oh, well, here, Ebison, here,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: I'll read this one because you've been reading the whole thing. Yeah,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: probably so that you're actually heard, like Ebyson JT. I
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: make a deep promise that the next time I see
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: a female roofing hammer in hand, for example, installing solar
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: panels or protection tiles on a tilted roof on forty
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: degree Celsius shall stop and seriously consider her perspectives. Some
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: job equality, just for reference, I've never seen one, as
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: well as I've never seen them in many other menosphere
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: and sexist jobs no better topic for a Monday morning.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: When some men go and do some gender specific jobs,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: women won't touch with a mile long pull. And that's
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: the thing, Like, we have a group of people we
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent rely on for the continuing function of
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: our society. I'm sorry women's jobs are optional. The only
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: women's job that isn't optional is giving birth? Really at
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: this point, and we spend no time thinking about how
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: to make sure they're happy with what they're doing, or
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: at least content or at least feel some satisfaction in
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: doing it. I mean, think about that, guys. We spend
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: more time thinking about how to raise boys to kiss
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: feminist academic ass, then we'd spend thinking about how, hey,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: you know, those those men who do everything that keeps
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: our lives possible, Maybe we should think about making sure
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: that they're content with what they're doing, you know, making
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: sure that they have what they need, making sure they're
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: not going to be destroyed in a divorce, right, No, no, no, no,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: that's unacceptable thought, you know, actually caring about the people
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: who make sure we have a world. Who would do that,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: They don't deserve it, that's entitlement. No, no, no, we
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: need to care about We need to care about feminist
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: academic lives. Feminist academic lives matter, don't you know? That's
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: what society should be structured around, making sure feminist academics
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: don't feel bad about themselves and don't lose their tenure.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: Oh like really it feels like society. That's what society
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: revolves around at this point. Okay, yep, no, oh, x
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: End the Band not even nine am on a Monday
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: morning and there's already an article criticizing men in masculinity,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: and Xen the Band says, no one is criticizing ah,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: men and mal masculinity. Really, well, name a positive aspect
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: of masculinity. You don't need to take things out personally, No,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: it's just his. Nobody's criticizing all trans people. You don't
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: need to take anything so personally. Nobody's criticizing all women.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: You don't need to think things so personally this article.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Nobody's criticizing all black people. You don't need to take
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: things so personally. This article about these menisphere cloans who
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: pedal their ridiculous brand of toxic masculinity that actually hurts
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: men too. Okay, I bet XC and the band cannot
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: identify a single positive masculine trade that he or she
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: associates with masculinity in the same way he or she
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: associates toxicity. So basically, when he's or she says toxic masculinity,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: that's redundant. They peddle their ridiculous brand of masculinity. Period,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: they pedal masculinity. We don't even need brand of They're
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: ridiculous masculinies. This is what this person's actually saying. The
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: article is about these men who paddle their pedal their
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: ridiculous masculinity that actually hurts men to right, And it's
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: right out of the playbook from all of the feminist
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: educators of the nineties who said, who basically say, masculinity
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: is something that patriarchy inflicts on boys, right, And if
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: patriarchy wasn't so horrible to boys, boys would be like girls,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: almost identical, except they would have penises, I mean not forever,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: as soon as we convince them to cut them off,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: then they'll be perfect. Okay, yeah, do you want to
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: close it off?
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: It's yeah. I mean, I don't know, we we I
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: think we've done.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: We've done, We've done our shift.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: A sufficient job of I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: If unpacked.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: Annihilating it, I think, yeah, oh good Lord.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Bottoming out on it, bottoming out, yeah, bottoming out, you
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: know what, at the.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Interest of being low cow, I think this is worth
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: bottoming out on.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, vomiting out on, Yeah.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Vomiting out.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just I just think it's funny because
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: it's like, no matter what part of the world, it's
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: the same story. It's like men, the story is the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: same everywhere, and that just doesn't sound organic. I mean,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: I know we live in a more interconnected society because
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: of the Internet, but none of this sounds natural to me.
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  Speaker 1: I think that this is just like a giant op
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  Speaker 1: a gay on the whole west from all of these people,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: and they all talk to each other, and they're all friends,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: and they all know each other. They go to the
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: same parties, and they're all just like, so, how are
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: we shitting on men this month? You know, who's the
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: new boogeyman? We're gonna bring up yeah and that. Yeah,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: they all coordinate on this stuff. It's just like the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: gamers are dead articles from gamer gay It's the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would say that, like if I were to
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  Speaker 2: give this a threat narrative analysis, the thing that they're
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: trying to neutralize is let me see it is right there.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: The danger with manosphere content is that exaggerates and exploits
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: real and perceive problems, issues and grievances among boison men.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: These people will never recognize these things because they interfere
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: with their slush, that the flow of money. Like it's
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: as simple as that, guys. This is like, it's as
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: simple as that your pain you're suffering, not blaming you,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: like occasionally getting a break from being blamed all the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: issues that you face, which are also actually society issues,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: because eventually, if you screw with the people who are
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: men who are manufacturing what makes society possible to a
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: sufficient degree, you are actually destroying the thing that makes
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: society possible. Do you guys understand the logic there? Right,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: So they don't want to recognize this stuff out of
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: incredibly short term thinking. This isn't even like you know,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: you know, some old evil dude on his throne who
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: at the very least wants to maintain the stability and
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: prosperity of his kingdom because he enjoys getting taxes. Right.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: That isn't even this. They're in smash and grab. They're
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: in looting mindset. This is not sustainable because it's destroying
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: the very thing it feeds on, which is a productive
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: male tax base. Right, it's destroying it, it's deincentivizing it.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: But they're still doing it because right now it makes
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: the money. They don't need taxes. They can just get
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: blackrock grants and money from the government. Yeah, that's where
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: it's at, right, And that's just printed out of nowhere.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: Nobody has to be productive to get that. It's just
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: you just you just make another treasury bond. Who cares?
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Who cares? If the rates are going through the roof?
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Who cares? Let's just it's money. It's free money, and
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: they're making free money. Because people lose the ability to
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: think critically once you say, well, women are being harmed,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: and if you point out, well, wait, also men are
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: being harmed, then people's critical thinking kicks in again and
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: they're like, well, okay, I don't know if I want
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: to help with that, but if if we have to,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: then we should probably do something that ends it quickly
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: so we don't have to spend too much money on
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: men that they don't want. That they want people without
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: critical faculties so they can continue to gorge themselves at
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: the trough of money. And that's what it comes down to.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: This individual is trying to maintain a threat narrative that
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: is incredibly lucrative. This threat narrative is probably trillions worth
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: of money, not to mention all of the jobs and
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: credential and positions that it upholds. Right, it's huge. What's
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: the bunch of boys? What's a bunch of boys killing
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: themselves or not actually finding jobs or quiet quitting. What's
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: the what's the whole generation of lost boys? When it
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: comes to making money right and in the worst way possible.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about like small businesses or entrepreneurialship. I'm
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: talking about lying to people and government graft and corporate bullshit,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: hr bullshit like this this is this is sick and
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: they're trying to push the sickness on boys. It's like
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: that one woman the the the Democratic republic or democratic representative.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: Remember Sarah something Sarah Stocker, I think and go ahead,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: is that the correct name?
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure? Okay talking about but go ahead?
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Well, she said, Oh, I sometimes don't feel good about
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: being white.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah, I know who you're talking about,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: but I don't know her name. She went viral recently
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: for Yeah.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: She says, I don't feel always feel good about being white.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: And it's even worse, like I'm not just a white woman.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Think about all the white boys that I have control
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: over and how ashamed they should feel and how ashamed
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: I tell them they should feel. And of course it's
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: totally justified me telling these boys how very ashamed they
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: should be for being boys, because I feel ashamed for
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: being white sometimes when it's aesthetically pleasing to me, you know.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing, Like, it's just they're doing it because.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: They make.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Perceived weakness.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a threat narrative. Yeah, well, it's also her
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: perceived virtue because she's very virtuous. She's like, yeah, she's
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: painting herself, you know, she is self harming for the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: sake of being perceived to be more virtuous than everybody else,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: except she really isn't self harming. She's just harming other
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: people because it's it's just it's meaningless to say, oh,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: I feel guilty about my white privilege. Really, what are
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: you doing about it?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Nothing, I just feel guilty. Oh warely that that's that's
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: very that's very not not useful. Your feelings, what whether
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: or not they're negative or positive, are not relevant to
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: actually changing problems. And if you're going to say this
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: is a problem, so all I'm going to do is
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: just marinate in my feelings not do something about it,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: then yeah, you're just you're just self stimming. And then
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: the other thing is you're using yourself stimming to justify
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: harming other people. And that's the point. They use their
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: affectation of victimhood to justify harming the people we rely
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: on and men we rely on in our society to
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: continue to function. And I don't see why we need
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: these people, does anybody?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: Like, what are they there for? What are they there
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: for except to suck up money and harm people? But yeah,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: it's that affectation of virtue that gives her justification to
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: shame everyone else. It's classic, And yeah, this is the
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: threat narrative they're trying to associate recognition of harms done
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: to buy these people, mostly to men and boys with
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: the manisphere, in order to throw it all out, to
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: delegitimate it and try to make boys ignore the reality
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: of their own eyes. It's despicable. Oh. Stephanie Westcott is
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: a lecturer in Humanities and Social Sciences, Monash University. Stephen
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: Roberts is a Professor of Sociology, School of Social Sciences,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: Monash University. Incidentally, these people have never done an actual
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: day's work in their life. And I'm not even saying
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: that academics can't work. Academics can work if they're actually
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: doing something of benefit to someone, not just lying and
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: then taking and then putting it through like a statistics
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: computer to pretend like they're doing real work.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not against thinking work obviously, but this these people aren't.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: They don't. They don't work a day in their lives.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: They make shit up and they pretend it's academically valuable
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: and then they lie to people. Okay, all right, do
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: you want to add anything. I think I really talked
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: a lot today. Maybe it's my frustration with word press.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I think I said what I wanted
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: to say. I did say a few things.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like people have said, you know,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: how do you do this? How do you uh continue
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: with this work. I've had people like they say I
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: had to go because it was just so it so
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: hard to listen to. And I'm like, well, we've been
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: doing this for thirteen years. How hard do you think
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: it is? But the truth is that every time I get,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: you know, like I'm tired of this bullshit. And I
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: actually blew up at Joseph Watson, Paul Joseph Watson because
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: there was this one clip where these pink ladies were
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: like and we have to deal with their own sex
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: pets in England? Why do we have to import more?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, so you are insulting your own men
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: and what are you expecting from them to protect you?
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: And nobody think that no offense, but the conservatives to
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: say things like they don't call they do not call
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: women out for shit like that, Like maybe if you
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: want the protection of your own men, you should protect
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: them socially when it comes to all the censure and
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: condemnation they're getting from this, that's importing all these individuals.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: And also you shouldn't be overtly insulting them like that,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure there are a lot of female
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: sex pests in the UK. Of course we cannot talk
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: about that at all, but anyway, so I'm like, this
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: is so aggravating because there really isn't a political there's
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: no home, there's no political home for just saying we
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: got to stop. We've got to stop blaming men, and
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: we start gotta start caring about their issues, and we've
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: got to stop separating them into freaking groups and just say, hey,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: all of their issues all men, okay, yeah, and let
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: God sort out the remainder right, And it does get frustrating,
• 1:48:46
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  Speaker 2: WU commerce or zapp here, And let me tell you
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: the existential horror of dealing with plugins and all of
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: this other crap and ridiculous help from AI bots. Now
• 1:49:15
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• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: like dealing with that crap just creates nihilism and it's
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: just just like a reset. And then I come back
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: to Men'sician, like, oh, yeah, that's not that bad. At
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: least I'm not wrestling with WordPress. So there you go.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: That's my secret. Okay, so last chance, Brian for what?
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  Speaker 2: I said that women is an activist demand a level
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  Speaker 2: of perfection. I don't say it probably will never exist.
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  Speaker 2: It's in the uh, it's in the chat. You're right.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said that women, feminist and activist demand level
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: of perfection and comfort that probably will never live. No,
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  Speaker 1: it can't exists. It's European. But they believe again, they
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: believe that if everyone, if everyone has the same vision
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: and they share in that vision, then it becomes real
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: because we got everybody to agree. And the problem with
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: that is it's an illusion. Like that's not it's like
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: the illusion of equality. There's no such thing. There's there's justice,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: there's fairness, but there's no equality. That's not real. Men
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: and women are different, right, Different people are different. People
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: are different from themselves on different times of the day.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not equal to myself in the morning. So like that,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: that's and it's a and you might say, oh, that's pedantic,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: but no, this is what these people really believe. This
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: is how they operate. This is what they operate under. Okay.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: They are trying to construct a reality, and the only
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: way it works is if everyone participates. And that's impossible.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: It's not just even if you think it's well intentioned,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: it's not possible. And there are people who will legitimately
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: not go play along, and they'll exploit you because they
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: think they realize that you're being ridiculous. So yeah, I mean,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: it's not just something that probably won't exist. It's a lie.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: It can't exist. You can't have heaven on earth. That's
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: why it's a different place. Okay. Yeah, and they and
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: and they well it also it's utopian from the get go,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: from level zero, and and this is the thing that
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: and they won't accept that because these people they have
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: known nothing but fear like they're afraid of men. They're
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: afraid of half the population. That's their whole world is
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: fearing the opposite sex. Even if even if they're like
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: you know, cynically just using all of this to make money,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: which I know is true and secure themselves, but they're
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: terrified at the end of the day of like the
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: world because it's not the way they think it should be, okay,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: and you know that's just I mean, yeah, it's not.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: It's and it's gonna get everyone. It's getting people killed.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: This vision, this lie, Well.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: It's not utopia. Uh Is it utopia if you sacrifice
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: the well being, the autonomy, the mental health of half
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: the human race to achieve it? Like, is it utopia? If?
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: And that's maybe that's the existential horror of men's issues,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: because men's issues give lie to their supposed utopia, which
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: justifies everything that they do. And I know that there
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: are a lot of women who are afraid of men,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: but I'm not sure how much is real and how
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: much is just affected or how much is just hysteria
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  Speaker 2: that they talk theirselves into. But ultimately that it's not
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  Speaker 2: even an utopia, like it's it's like sacrificing half the
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  Speaker 2: human race to gain your utopia, and not just sacrificing
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  Speaker 2: them once, but turning them into a permanent slave under
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  Speaker 2: class for your utopia. Is that a utopia? But what measure?
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, if you if you like it, if
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  Speaker 1: you suck it up and like it, then it works
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  Speaker 1: that they don't. Yeah, like their comfort is more important
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  Speaker 1: than yours. There is no real utopia like it all comes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with the price of like blood and death
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  Speaker 1: and start and all that. But I mean they all
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  Speaker 2: just a sack. Okayh yeah, just go for it all right.
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