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See You Never · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: We didn't need.
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is wok. You're wild? Is that just me?
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: You can turn me down in your settings.
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: I'm turning your volume down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, do the whole episode with his volume on zero
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: and see what happens. I'm sad we never got to
• 0:35
  Speaker 3: do our April Fool's episode. If we would have went just.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: What would we have done.
• 0:41
  Speaker 3: We were gonna switch casts and talk about you know,
• 0:45
  Speaker 3: there's games, but not like mention it at all and
• 0:49
  Speaker 3: just act like it was normal.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: We've done that, Well, we have it. We did that
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: with help from future self.
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: That's not quite as funny, Like, not not at all.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Except we played characters from their like, yeah I was
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: blakan them and they acted like I was blak.
• 1:12
  Speaker 4: It was called Riftbound Corner for that thing. You could
• 1:14
  Speaker 4: have just made a rift Bound episode.
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: I could have written a rift Bound episode and it
• 1:20
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have been much different than you guys reacting to
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: what I've written this Bound and.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: Dying, because that game really went for it seems to
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: be the same ship that's happening with every other card
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: game that's being released. It's being replaced by the next
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: big thing. Yeah, what's going on everybody? Well, now, it's
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: now it's not punk.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's a that's an illusion, that's not actual replacing
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  Speaker 3: anything yet.
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  Speaker 1: Not yet, but it'll come out and everyone will forget
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: about Riftbound and then and then I couldn't get it
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter right, Like it's just it's replaced, and then
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: everybody ends up playing commander in the end. Well, what's
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: going on, everybody? Okay? I you joined here by the
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: normal cast of misfits. We have the kid who knows
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: more than you, mister Cole Robbie yep, we've got the
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: proverbial red shirt Dexter hello everyone, and the man with
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: the godliest hair known to anyone.
• 2:31
  Speaker 3: Felix that just made my own shirts. Oh okay, made
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: your own shirts like you're a nomad, or like you
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: made shirts with your face on them because of your
• 2:46
  Speaker 3: beautiful hair. You know, that's an idea. I'll consider that one.
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: Got it? Well? With all that being said, uh, you
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: could buy arcons Corner shirts over at spreadshirt dot com.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: Forward Corner. I mean it's you know, our KeyForge, the
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: cockroaches of the c CG community, Like they're outliving everybody.
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: I hate to say it.
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy how key forge is technically still being produced,
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: and even right now, as altered has been announced, Ending
• 3:25
  Speaker 3: still has less players.
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: The cockroaches a man like what do you? What do you?
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: How do you? How do you say that? Like you
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: can say less players, but somehow they're it's still it's
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: still ha still blame.
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: We're still buying this sends.
• 3:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how how how many is there? There's obviously got
• 3:50
  Speaker 3: to be a main key Forge discord, right.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: No, it's kind of corner.
• 3:56
  Speaker 4: Honestly, there's not many people are working in key for
• 4:03
  Speaker 4: it currently. A group of five five yes, actually, well.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: It's it's really like three or four since the two man.
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: Games to yeah, you've got basically you have the one
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: guy who does I don't want to say everything, but
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: I guess everything's the way to say it. And that's
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: Luke is the cards.
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: He's not even employed by Ghost Galaxy contractor.
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: He is a he's a contractor. Yep. That's discussing and
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: well it's it's a long story CETEP. But actually it
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't I'll tell it c TP. Christian T. Peterson does
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: not like having team members that aren't like in like,
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: none of his job none of the jobs are remote right.
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: He hates remot people, but he liked Luke edoff that
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: he allowed him to stay on and be a remote person.
• 5:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he sounds like an old white guy.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: He is an old white Oh wow, I'm so surprised
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: he's from like Lithuania or something like that.
• 5:19
  Speaker 3: But we uh, they.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: Like that's where he's from. Like, why why did you laugh.
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: Dexter, I didn't know he was from Lithuanian.
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, he's not from and he's from He's
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: from Denmark.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 5:39
  Speaker 3: Anyways, the question was how many people are in the
• 5:43
  Speaker 3: main key Forge server. But I guess I'm more more shocked,
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: but also I shouldn't be shocked that there isn't one.
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think there ever was one. FFG started keyforde
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: FFG was never big in the FFG hates online, So
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think they know what discord is. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: in our server alone, we have six hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 1: two members in our discord. I guess the other big
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  Speaker 1: I mean like my.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty I'm in twenty different Keyfoards discords and they range
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  Speaker 2: from like one hundred to five hundred people. I mean
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  Speaker 2: like ABR is like four hundred people. Coggies like three
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: four hundred something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why I tell you how many? How
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: many people are in the hff F server. Do they
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: even have a rank? A call like a do they know?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's Their server is not that sophisticated. Okay, nope,
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  Speaker 1: because there's there's definitely a lap over right, like I
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  Speaker 1: know a lot. I'm not in the HFFF server because
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: of one person. But yeah, the.
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: Reasoning for the question is not just random, and I
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  Speaker 3: mean this is part of a conversation that today's episode
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  Speaker 3: is not about, but it is very intriguing. Maybe someone
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: will want to talk about it another time, a different place,
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: a different area. But the Altered discord, even after everything,
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: still has fourteen thousand people and something will something we'll
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: talk about later in this episode. Is the community project
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: that started is already about to hit twelve hundred people.
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: And then we were talking before we started recording about
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: how many active games on just BGA there is of
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: Altered and even with everything, it's ill at five hundred
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  Speaker 3: and forty something active games.
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, here's the deal. Somehow you got to
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: get your your top line. I again, I don't know
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: what all went into it two million dollars wasn't feasible. Yeah,
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: and I mean think it ever was. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: especially three year, You're talking six million dollars a year.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where the money went to.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it was art. I don't
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: know how many people worked on game design distribument. I
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: mean distribution was basically being held by who am I
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: thinking of themselves because that was the whole game. Found
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  Speaker 1: was handling a lot of it, right, So.
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: No, they didn't handle any distribution. No, okay, it was
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: I mean that's that. That's what we talked about last episode.
• 8:59
  Speaker 3: I think for the port, today's episode is titled not
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: dead Yet or whatever randomness puts together is.
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: Only a flesh wind.
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: Last episode was technically supposed to be the last, but
• 9:19
  Speaker 3: then literally like two days after it went live, they
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: put out a big, a big article about the future
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: of Altered, which is a version of Altered without equinox.
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: And then there were also two amas, basically one in
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: French on a French Twitch channel and then one on
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: the official Altered YouTube in English, one with Regis and
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: one with Eric aka in talks, the chief marketing officer
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: so we thought we would come back together to give
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: people the news the information if they were not reading
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: it in any of the places and would prefer to
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: listen to it. So you guys ready to dive into that?
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can, uh, we can, we can dive in.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: Set six will be given to everybody, including ten uniques
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  Speaker 1: to every account that's logged in some since September one,
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. That's yep. For next set. That's for
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: the up roots of ruption. Thank you. I'm drawing blanks
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: right now. It's Sunday and I'm trying to have them
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: a lazy day and it's not working out. So so
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: for roots a Ruption to get ten uniques, that will
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: be interesting. I think it already happened. So it was, Oh,
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: I mind to see if I could get them. Let's
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: see if I got them.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: You might not if you didn't log in.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: I've logged in some I've logged in this year.
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, definitely check your email if you did not
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: get an email. There's a very easy way to check
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: if you just got the uniques, which is just go
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: to altered dot gg and then go to your collection,
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: sort by roots of corruption, and then just filter to
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: uniques only, and you should see your uniques there without
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: having to click every link in the email, and you'll
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: also see the entirety of the Roots of Corruption set
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: in your collection as well. I have still tried not
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: looking at the set. I want to like set some
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: time aside and either do like a video or some
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: kind of something where I take it card by card
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: and see what the what the set looked like. But
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: of course I've kind of looked at my uniques, and
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: I've seen other people post uniques. Yeah, the set, as
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: we thought, looks amazing, and the uniques look amazing, So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: some of the odd choices that they may look really
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  Speaker 3: really cool.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: And if you stick around throughout this episode and you
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: also think it sounds really cool or you thought it
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: looked cool, but you averted your gaze because you did
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: not want to cry over a I've I've been calling
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: Altered our our zombie boyfriend, because it's not really dead.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: And that's what a lot of this episode will be about.
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: What's going to happen next, what's currently.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: Cry oh wampomp.
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: So they said in the article that you had to
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: have logged in since September one. I am thinking what
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: the actual parameter might have been is you had had
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: to have scanned a card since then. And I'm just
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: guessing that based off of kind of how their system works,
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: and they probably thought, if you've logged in since September first,
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: why have you not at least scanned one card that
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: is not anything confirmed. I'm just guessing that's why someone
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: if they just casually logged in, did not get any uniques.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: But it was automated, so there is nothing you can do.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: So I just got fucked. Yeah, yeah, basically you you could.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: You could submit a support request, but I am fairly
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: certain it's not do any good. They are like extremely
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: backlogged with the duplicate uniques from Seeds of Unity that
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: they're still working through and then.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: Issue too.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: I mean they're still working. They still are all in
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: office working on doing things, and you'll see some of
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  Speaker 3: that as we continue here.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: What's shutting down the company.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: I meaning stuff to the community.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Selling off the what's left.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are. Support is still working, so they're doing that.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: So it's weird. I have I have access to all
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: the cards, but I didn't get any uniques.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they gave every account, They.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Gave everyone account, like right now, I would have access
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  Speaker 1: to it, Yes, I believe. So do I have access
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  Speaker 1: to all the cards? I don't know if I do
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: or don't? Hold on you should except we're on here.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Let's take that out and let's just go there.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: There.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: Not all the old art stuff though, yeah, yeah, some
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: of the old arts, though not all of them, like
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: for example, the is a from Roots of Corruption.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: It is principle.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I have it in my I have it in
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  Speaker 4: my my cart right now.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So have we have access to Oh no, we
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: don't have access to the full arts?
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: I want the full they are great yet yep yep.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: So Rites of Corruption will be the set that you
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: have the most of. So like the couple of alltarts
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: that Felix mentioned, Set seven, which will be released to
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: everyone the same way, but no uniques will happen sometime
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: this month aka April, that one, as far as I remember,
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: will not have any like allt arts or full arts
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: or anything like that, as they were likely not finished,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: but everyone will get access to the set never ending journey.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: This name was always on the table, but with how ironic,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: with recent news and everything going on, they felt that
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: it was the most fitting. I think they specifically said
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: it was between like three different names, and so they
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: picked this one. It is actually super fitting, which I
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: keep saying it. But you'll learn more and more about
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: by listening to this episode. But also if you know
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: how many sets of Lore and how far the story
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: expands across the universe from Yoshi, he said that he
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: had written lore for twenty seven sets. Uh, so it
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  Speaker 3: is going to.
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  Speaker 2: Still keep coming out.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I do Laurel continue to come out. But like again,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I think this was a hasty move on their part,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: like yeah, shutting down everything, doing all this stuff, Like, well,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I've talked about it so many times, like why is
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: there not a world removed? This to somehow digital only?
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: It's not the intended purpose of the game, is the
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: quick It's not the.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Intended purpose of the game, but like it is a
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: way to keep it alive, and it is a way
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: that at least I feel ninety percent of the community
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: interacted with it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're interacting with some of the devs jen Con
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: last year, and they were not happy with having digital
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: being a thing. A lot of the devs really only
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: want to physical.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: You know, you don't need to be happy about it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: But like this, this is it's it, bro, It's twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, right, I mean, it just it is what
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: it is. This is how people want to interact with it,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and this is how people are going to interact with it, right, Like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you don't necessarily get to choose how your product's going
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: to be used in the end all be all, and
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: if this is the way that people want to want
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to do it, give the people what they want, right,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: feel I feel I feel personally I could see maybe
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: doing said six and said seven, just giving it away,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: But why not again, why not try to attempt to
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: find a way to work with Asthma day to make
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: this a digital only Maybe is not the right way and.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't cooperate.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: That's why I said I would say maybe that's why
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: That's why I said, maybe Asthmada is not the correct
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: one to do it. But I feel like they were like,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: well that's that boys, ship it all out. Like I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: just I feel like there is there's got to be
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a company out there that would have been like, hey,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: there's still something here, Let's see if there's a way
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: we can continue to grow and then maybe five ten
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: years down the line, you know, or maybe even sooner,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: like we're able to figure out a way to bring
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: back physicality of it, whether whether that is the print
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: on demand where you're like, hey, and now I want
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to print cards and be able to send them to
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: my home so that I can play them with my friends,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. I think they made
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a very hasty decision of just.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: As a living card game to like you said, just
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: being online first and then maybe four championships for say
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: print on demand would have been the way for people
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: to participate. So this is the part. At this point,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: this is.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: The moment where I tell you, guys, I did write
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: the show notes, and I guess I am the only
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: one still super actively following the information. So if this
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: is where the bulk of everyone has comments, let me
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: run through the updates real quick and then I'll show
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: you some stuff, all right, So run down. Yeah, never
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: ending journey digital services will stop at the end of May.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: There will be an ultimate print on demand sometime in
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: mid April. I actually think that's gonna end up being
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: pushed to May because after the news print on demand
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: slots have been filling out incredibly quick. As of right now,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: we are up to April twenty first, and they have
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: three thousand packs in that slot. I think three have
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: filled up since the thirty first, and filling up is
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  Speaker 3: five cards yep, five thousand or more. Real quick keynotes
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  Speaker 3: on the ultimate Print on Demand because people love, love,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: love to attach to specific words and try to guess
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: what they mean, it's it's just the last Print on
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  Speaker 3: demand ninety nine percent likely to be the case. They
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: won't be offering any discounts. There won't be anything like
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: you can buy the whole set, and you know that's.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: How it works, just count boys.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: The company's going out of business well, and this is
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: specifically because how print on demand is set up with
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Carda Mundi, they don't have like any flexibility and in
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: one of the AMAS they actually said if they continue
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: to work at it, something like that could have been
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: possible in the future, but now it's absolutely not possible.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Print on Demand doesn't even break even until they get
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: to two thy five hundred packs in an order, which
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: is awesome now that there's been a ton of print
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: on demand. But the other thing that they're going to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: do is almost all cards and art will be uploaded
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: to most likely get hub. So when the digital service ends.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: All of that will be retained there, and now we
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: are to the speculation or the why they should have
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: done this or not. So to answer Wookie and Felix's
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: questions about why they did this or what about an LCG,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: kind of those things were answered in the AMA. A
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: lot of people have thrown around the LCG question. Basically
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: they said it was never a consideration because lcges are
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: not cheap and it's basically the same amount of cost
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: but without as many benefits. And the reason that they
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: are doing this is because they are all losing their jobs.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Equinox might remain with like two employees, two to three something,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: it's not been determined yet, but they have you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: twenty plus people on staff, plus you know, over thirty
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: artists or something like that that worked on the game
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: as contractors here and there. So there's really no reason
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: not to do what they're doing. But the other thing
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: is is they want to kind of hand it over
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: to the community as long as the community or any
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: projects that take it into the future don't betray like
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: their original vision. So one of the things, of course
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: mentioned was absolutely no AI or if you know, someone
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: starts to take the art and it's just trying to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: sell like T shirts or whatever, then of course they're
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: going to shut them down. So that is answering two
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: of those questions and giving you the updates really quickly.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: But there are some other notes in here as well.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Keep rolling, all right, So I do have a whole
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: page of notes on the AMA from Eric that was
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the one in English aka Intox, the chief marketing Officer.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: The biggest thing to me that came out of both
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: of these, and comparing because I also read a translation
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: of the one that registered is it seems a lot
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: more likely that the thing that really killed altered sooner
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: rather than later was the digital aspect of the game
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: and how much they tried to revolutionize it. They they
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: of course in both amas mentioned that the delays were
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: a huge hit to the game, but also they never
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: thought it would be delayed and they just didn't fully
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: realize how much work it was going to be. And
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: it really is because it was like revolutionary features, right, No.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Getting the whole marketplace setup is ridiculous.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is kind of unfortunate to me
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: because the way that I see it is you are
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: basically damned if you try to do anything that isn't
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the status quo. And so if you're new to TCGs,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: basically the status quo right now is as long as
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: you don't have scalpers, you know, you most often will
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: maybe buy like one box of product, and then you'll
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: buy singles. And most of the time people are buying
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: them from like TCG player. If they're lucky, they'll be
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: able to pick up what they need from their local
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: game store. But even my game store, you don't necessarily
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: like buy card buy singles from going into the store.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: You just buy them from their TCG player shop. So
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: basically they were trying to revolutionize that system, which I
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: think in the end they did, but it was against
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the status quo, so people either rejected it or didn't
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: fully buy into it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I had an interesting way of looking at it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I have a experience on both, you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: working with the altered marketplace technically getting singles from there,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: and then as well doing a lot of work with
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: PCG player, And.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I think just the way that you're putting it there,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: if that's the way they meant to say it, is
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a very It's again, it's an interesting way of putting it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Like they were trying to revolutionize it, and I don't
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: think that they necessarily weren't. They were trying to think
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of different things. I've often said had died, oh sorry,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And I often think that they tried to keep the
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: player in mind, right, as opposed to the financials, which
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: probably led to a big chunk of the game bleeding money.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: As you just twenty five hundred packs to break even.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: That's ludicrous, right, Like, twenty five hundred packs of cards
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: needed to go out before they even broke even. Uh.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Clearly to me that says you need to raise your
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: like the print on demand system at bare minimum needed
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to break even, period and a story like whatever that was.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: If it was one pack that went out and it
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: costs one hundred dollars, that's what it costs, right, Like,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you can't be bleeding money on that front. You can't
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: be bleeding money anywhere, especially when you're a new card game. Yeah,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And I don't know a altered suffers from the same
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: thing of like of that Keyford suffers from. Right, What
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: is an altered card worth whatever someone's willing to pay
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: for and what is that? It depends on.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: The card, Okay, it depends on how good it is
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It depends on the people that are looking at sure.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Sure, but okay, let's take a card like the Hunger.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: What is the Hunger worth? Right, a very in demand card, right,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: what is it worth?
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Eight bucks?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Eight bucks? According to who the market the people that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: are selling, the marketplace, the market that adjusts. But let's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: say there is no marketplace, now, what is that card worth?
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: There's no marketplace for you to to you to reference.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I mean eBay still exists.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Sure, every TCG player says, right, but my, my, my
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: whole thing and being is there's no there's no way
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: for a game store. There's no way for me. There
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: was with the game originally launched. There is zero way
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: for a person to have a meaningful way of knowing
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: how much their cards were worth. Right, So it was
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: all card games though that's not true, like you can
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: open a magic pack right now and know what your
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: cards are worth.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all been out for a while. But you're
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: saying when the game, even.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Even when cards first come out, right, do you think
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that it was just the fucking wild West when one
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: piece rolled out?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I mean in the first week probably.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe in the first week, but it probably stabilized very fast.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Quickly after that, right. So, but the problem is is
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: for probably the first year, there was no way to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: know if my card was worth five dollars or five cents.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and TCG player, the delays that they had getting
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the market.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that TCG player. And the main thing was is
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: having a digital aspect and a physical aspect were like
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: two different things. Right, So now you've got to try
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to do I sell just the digital and if I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: sell the digital, what's the card? It's nothing now, right,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: But then there was no print on demand. It could
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: have very well had if it would have launched with
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: print on demand, it very well could have had a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: better chance because TCG player could have been like, well,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: here's your code, add it to your collection. I don't
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: know if they rip up the card or what they
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: do with it afterward. But it had the you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: there's just there's a lot of moving pieces that nobody
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: had answers to right away.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So trying to revolutionize too many different aspects, and so.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: That made third CARDI services go, I I can't make
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: money off this. I'm not interested yet. You gotta you
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: gotta let them eat you got you have game stores,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: tc A lot of these places. You gotta let them eat.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: You cannot cut them out because if they don't, they're
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: just not gonna they're not going to have anything to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: do with you. And if they're not going to have
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: anything to do with you, I I we've now seen
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: it again. I was very hopeful for this time around.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I was silly. I was You're
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: You're just you're doomed. You're in trouble. If if you
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: cannot get on these things again with keyfards, what's the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: key Forde death work worth a dollar, ten dollars, twelve dollars,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: thirty six hundred dollars? Nobody knows because there's no way
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to quantify it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Probably not the paper, not worth the paper it's printed on,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: if you ask me.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But sure, I mean, that's that's how you feel about it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: That's how you feel. But that that's the issue with these,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: with the card games that are coming out, is that
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: it is it is difficult to quantify. And if I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: can't quantify it, we get into trouble, right because now
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: TCG player doesn't know what to do with it. All
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: these your local game store doesn't hot they don't know
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: what to do with it. And we just get very trouble.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Interesting that that is your your note, I'm not I'm
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: not sure if you're following along where I'm at in
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: the show notes, but I am.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: The next thing. You're saying that they were trying to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: revolutionize too much, too much.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I mean in that regard and.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: As an interesting way of looking at it. My thought
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: on it is, I don't I could agree with it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: They tried to revolutionize too much too quick, but I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: think there's other things too, right, like you have to
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: have the physical and you want to play with the digitally,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you got to have the digital rights. If you want
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to play with it physically, you got to have the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: physical rights. My thought of it is is it should
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: have just been one. If you have the card in
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: your hand and you're able to scan it, you own
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: both period and of story. Whoever owns the card physically
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: also owns the card digitally if at any time it
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is and see this is this is where we get
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: into trickiness. Is because if that QR code scanned, right,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: does it just change collections? They would have to have
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: some form of dispute system, right, so my dexter doesn't
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: go through my trade binder and scan all my cards
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: a little asshole. Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: So the way that I see it is they were
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: too consumer friendly, and people who are on the outside
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: might not see it that way because they are ingrained
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: in the current market. And there's a very interesting note
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: that I have here from one of the AMAS about
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: how Equinox actually spoke with TCG player to try and
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: like be you know, in front of that whole situation
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: and be like, how can we also be included? What
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: does it look like? Things like that, And they didn't
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: outright say it, but reading between the lines, TCG Player
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: was basically like, we have no interest in working with
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: altered because it's not beneficial to us.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Right. It wasn't Yeah, and you're not wrong, Like they
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: were one hundred percent correct. It did not benefit them.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: The way that I see it, though, is if more
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: places would have tried in the end, it actually is
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: way more beneficial to them. Problem is, as we talked about, Oh,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I can explain that. My main point is is we've
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: talked about it, you know, one hundred times by now,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: probably LGS is and you know, store owners, workers, whatever,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: first and foremost, if they're a good store, shout out
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: to them, they have way too many games, way too
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: much going on. But two, if they're not a very
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: good store or even you know, if they are, I
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: guess they're not going to want to do another system
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: or work, you know, put extra work into something if
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: it's not instantaneous that they're going to make their money
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: back on it. Which was the reality. If you remember
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: back when the game started, before the market was even live,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: gamers Guild Arizona actually sold singles. And how they did
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: it is whether you think it was eitherir system was
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: good or not. What they did is they sold digital
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: versus physical. And the really great part about Altered is
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: if I have, say a daughter of Yigdrasil, and I
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: bring it to my local game store and someone you
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: know needs to play it or whatever, I can give
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: them my card and they can use it as long
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: as they have the digital right. I mean, spoiler, if
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: it's just for fun, you know, nobody really cares. But
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: the digital aspect wasn't really a hindrance because it meant
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: that you could easily just you know, swap cards you know,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: here and there without causing too many problems. So it
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: wasn't like you're absolutely locked to your one card, which
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: some people might have thought it's just not the status quo. Like,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: so I have a TCG player's shop. Someone today ordered
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: a magic card from me. That's ten cents and the
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: shipping is a dollar thirty, So it's like in other TCGs.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: The reality is if they want one card, they're going
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: to most likely be spending a dollar thirty or more
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: for that one single card. When print on demand and altered,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: you could get away with eighty cents, you know for
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: a card, which I think.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: But it does take more time. It does sprintanship and everything.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: If the system will was working as intended, it wouldn't
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: have taken that much more time.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, in a perfect world, if everything was going wonderfully,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: then it would be much better. But there just wasn't
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: enough interest to get the system really working the way
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: it needed to.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I saw it super easy as the fact that,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, just do it how Gamers Guild Arizona did it,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and if you had a the LGS you would basically
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: do it the same. But you could then hand someone
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: the card, transfer them a digital version of the card
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: if you you know, had to, and then you were
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: good to go. Problem is it's outside of the norm.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: It's not TCG player, so they didn't do it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was outside of the norm
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: or if it was just too complicated.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: It's really not, though I swear it's not.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Since people don't understand it and they can't read a
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: few words, then like.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at that.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: They are very use but he doesn't know what the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: hell is goings.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I know stuff. I talked to you.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: The hell are you talking about?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Talk faster?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just tell you it's too complicated, right, Yes, So
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the norm thing. I
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: think it's just it's you say it's so easy, but
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: like that's like five more steps than I want to do.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Like if I need to borrow a card, I should
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: just be able to borrow a card. I shouldn't have
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to then go into my digital collection transfer it over
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: for tournament purposes, right, and then I got to go
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: do it again. When I want to saying.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: That you can just borrow a card if you have
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: digital I'm saying, yeah, you can borrow it, right, you can't, don't.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Why why do I have to do that? If I'm
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: going to a bigger I should just be able to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: swap right. But well, I think you're saying, if you
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: have the physical card, right, we just got to now
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: swap digital rights.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: No, you don't have to swap to exactly. That was
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: my point. Yeah, I mean the deck check is for
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: if you have three digital like copies of a card,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: you can use any three cards is the easiest way
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: to put it. And what was even better about that
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: is it didn't matter what version of the card you had,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Like if I had two Kickstarter daughter a Veger sale
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: versus one beyond the Gates, I have three of the
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: same card and I can use whatever you know one
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I want. The issue is, I mean, in my mind
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: it's outside of the norm because comparing one to one,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I would absolutely rather go on the Altered marketplace and
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: get a card then I would go to TCG player
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: in my experience.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I mean it depends on how many cards you want
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: to buy. If you just want one or two, then
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: it's probably not worth getting the digital and doing a
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: whole pack on pod.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's true.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: It's definitely easier for Alter.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: It's the It's the same on TCG player though, if
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: you if you find the right sellership like if you
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: spend over five dollars or whatever in their shop, you
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: can get free shipping if they're a level four seller. YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the it's just like I said, it's the
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: industry is what it is. The Other thing that kind
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: of goes into it is you were talking about value
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and like what a card is worth. Harsh reality is
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: altered cards were too.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Cheap once again, they printed too many.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: They were too consumer friendly, which is.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: There was no there was not much to chase, right,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: like the most sought after part of the game eight bucks.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Well now there's exalts.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Too, but right, but I mean, you know that's a
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: little too little, too late, right.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was talking to a store owner
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: like two weeks ago, and he literally said it. He's like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I sell out of one piece because I can never
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: get enough one piece. But if I ever got enough
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: one piece, I would no longer sell out of it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Yep. It's just like the demand is what makes the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: demand higher. It's just artificial scarcity raises demand exactly. Economics.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's the worst. But any anything else you
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: guys wanted to point out from the A M. A.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Notes or the never Ending Journey article or anything like that.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: No, I mean.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Where is it?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I know it was isn't their vision, but I still
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: think they were a bit hasty to make the decision
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: just to pull the plug instead of looking at online
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: online ability.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: So the question is is how do they continue in
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: an online only How do.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: They make money in online only?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: We are they selling digital packs that's not legal in
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: most countries.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Well, how how does Hearthstone do it? How? I know?
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: So I know, I know some of the ones I'm
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: going to name now are dying, but like, how did
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Gwent do it? How did a lot of these ones
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: that were successful for a time doing.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Gwent was also to consumer friendly, so it did die?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Right there was too consumer friendly, so it died.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yep, everything that is accessible is not last.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Hearthstone is they have? I mean, they have the backing
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: of Blizzards, so that's number one. And they have a
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: digital client because they have millions of dollars that's number two.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: And then they sell cosmetics and special events and expansions
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: and yacht just lots of micro transactions.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: So that the question is is I mean, I mean,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: How do they get the the two two million plus
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: dollars to do all that.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Though, because like you can Blizzard is too nice. But
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I can't assume they're like, well, Heartstone's bleeding money again
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: print another set, like they have to be at least
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: bare minimum breaking even with their costs. Somewhere they're they're not.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: They're not just being like oh Hertstone lost us.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Well, when you are a big company, you can.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Do yes, but like nobody is going to just lose
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: money for fun.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're not going to lose money on bigger
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: company corners.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: I remember reading recently an article on which is of
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: the Coast and was really was keeping what kept Hasbro
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: going for a while was only medi the gathering.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: It's still the toy subdivisions.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Were in the negatives, Well, medie the gathering was they're
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: a huge surplus that was making everybody everything is the.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Uploat It's still is.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it still is. And there's there's the concept
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: of lost leaders and all of that. But this, you know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: this ain't an economic podcasts.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Right, but if we want to go into that point,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: like like they do it in bigger chunks too, because
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, our toys division is sucking ass, right,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: But then like when they go into the toys division,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it's not like, well, Power Rangers is sucking ass, we
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: should release a new line of Power Rangers toys. They're
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: they're not going to release more Power Rangers toys. They're
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: going to go do something. You know, They're going to
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: try something else to make money.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there. I mean, in in my just
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: total view of the digital TCG market, one of the
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: big reasons Hearthstone is still going and probably does still
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: make money is it's literally the only digital TCG that
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: has a good digital experience on mobile. I have tried
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: so many and they are not great on mobile.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: Shutoversus shutting down to what it is already I think
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: it was recently.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: I see, I tried it and the experience on mobile
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: is just not great. And I mean, I really want
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: a company to come out with a digital only TCG
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: that is just straight up that where I can have
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: high card clarity and just play a card game on
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: my phone, and it honestly, the only one that exists
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: is Marvel Snap.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yep, it's only Marvel Snap.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: The Shutoversus shutting down in June and they're going to
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: focus on their sequel.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: That is, Oh well, the do they mean the sequel
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: is the one that just came out, right, or do
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: they mean.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: The one that they're going to shut down the original
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: one that was released in twenty sixteen.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah that was is the one that I tried.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: And it's just too much on mobile. Yeah, Worl's be
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: on his own. They're going to focus on Yeah, that's
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: that's not surprising. It's also really well catered to an
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Eastern audience. So I'm sure it makes a shit ton
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: of money, but to me, it's not a good TCG
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: experience on mobile.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: So but all right, well they tell us about the
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: reunion project. What's going on over there? What do you
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: what do you guys?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: What is the future of Baltered Look, I'm.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Sure you're a part of that. What what?
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: What?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: What's going on over there?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I'm on the server. I have not said a word
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: about I'm on it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Felix had something in the A M A. He said
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: it was interesting before we go to that.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in the A M A they said, where was it?
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I had it just now, something about B G A.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: But it gives me the impression that BG wasn't shutting
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: it down, which is really weird.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, just about that. I I we've made
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: it far enough that I shouldn't care about holding my tongue, right, yeah,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: fair enough.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess so, I mean nobody, I honestly.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: I honestly doubt Eric listens to this podcast. I'm sure
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: that almost nobody from Equinox even listens to it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: And I do Eric yours.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I think he was he was absolutely the worst person
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: to do the A M A. Maybe he was the
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: only one not active doing something even though he's supposed
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: to be doing something. But yeah, it was, in my opinion,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: kind of a mess. I think there was a lot
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: of contradictions to the reality of what's going on, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: then as well a high lack of accountability. And I
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: kind of call him out a little bit in my
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: AMA notes if you ever noticed that. I'll just name
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: two parts that made a group of us in the
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: community like flabbergasted. The first one, oh, what was the
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: first one? I might just remember the second one most Oh. So,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: someone asked what his favorite memory was of working at
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: you know, equinoxen with altered and his answer, if you
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: know nothing else in a bubble was maybe fine, and
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: it's an answer sometimes people give when they're asked about something.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: He said his favorite part and his favorite memory was
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: it never felt like he was working and said, if
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: you've paid any attention to the.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Community, that's not fair. I know where you're going with this.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Listen, go ahead, like I said, like I said in
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: a bubble, that's a perfectly normal thing to say, like
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: if you love your job, you'll never work at a
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: day or whatever. But the question was, like, what's your
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: favorite memory of like the game and working there? And
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: that's your answer, and this is coming from the chief
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: marketing officer, And I would say the number one most
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: what's the word I want to use here, like the
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: most lambasted part of the game in the community was marketing.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: The amount of time, the amount of times that somebody
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: said this game's marketing sucks. Whoever's in charge of marketing
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: needs to be fired. You guys need better marketing.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: He was so many times.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Very very frequent, and that is the chief marketing officers
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: and memory was so uh yeah. Some of us were
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: like wow, all right. The other thing was and this
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: kind of helps tie it together. Someone asked a question
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: about Sam. And Sam is a new hero in Roots
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: of Corruption and in my opinion, one of the major
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: selling points of Roots of Corruption. And he said, who
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: is Sam?
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he does the marketing, not the card design.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: God, but he should know some of the cards in
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the game. Maybe once like the most popular Yizmere hero.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: That's gonna exactly even Dexter knows.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: This is a guy who works at the company and
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: is supposed to be marketing the game and asks who
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: one of their heroes is. It's not like we said
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: some random deep cut card in the set. It's the hero.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: One of the like six or are there even six
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: heroes in Roots? How many heroes are in Roots?
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: If you only count new ones, it's only three. It's
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: only three one.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Of the three new heroes.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Breuh So Yeah, Anyways, I think I went off on
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: a tangent. You said, Bga, Yes, So that's what we're
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: going to talk about now, is the future of Altered
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: What's gonna happen next? To put it quickly, there has
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: been a Altered Reunion discord server setup. As I mentioned earlier,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: it already has over one thousand members. Wiki said that
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: I'm probably involved, No, not really and probably not going
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: to be very much. I will at the very least
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: offer by moderator skills, and really that's just saying I
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: pay too much attention and see too many things, and
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: can delete bots trying to sell people nudes rather quickly.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I'm tired of getting them.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't have privileges in arcons con.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think we get I don't think we can
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: get many bots in our cons corner.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: You do here and there and they last for like
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: two days.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: So it's a great collection of you know, developers, artists,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: people looking to continue the lower content creators, t os,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: which I think I thought was a word everyone that
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: played a card game new but it's tournament organizers if
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: you didn't. A lot of Equinox employees which will become
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: former Equinox employees, have joined the server and they are
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: wrapping up right now, electing like representatives you know for organization, communications, organize, play,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: all of that. But the the number one, like most
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: pressing thing right now is BGA, which Vincent, the main
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: BGA developer, truly the Goat, has also joined the server
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: and is working on a plan to keep BGA around
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: the number one goal right now is creating a new
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: API to allow players to you know, create decks and
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: things like that and connect to with BGA for when
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Altered dot gg goes down. So that's already in the works.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: It's like basically already solved. They're just kind of working on,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: you know, the back end, what it looks like. There's
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: going to be some conversation around like what a collection
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: looks like, what happens with uniques. Equinox is very involved
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: with that and very willing to help hand a lot
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: of that over to the community so that they continue
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: playing on BGA for a very long time.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: M All right, well, I mean I guess that's good
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, again, no.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Other questions or anything around all of that. I just
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: spit out, I guess too slowly.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: It all sounds great. I mean that they're still doing
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: stuff online.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it will be interesting eventually. I'm assuming they're
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: going to have to do something with the UI, like
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess maybe not. I don't know how
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to implement new cards. I'm assuming like there will eventually.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: After You've got two sets coming out, so you got
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: some lots of new car lots of new cards, to
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: fiddle with. Eventually, some people are going to want some
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: new ones, right, so digital, sure there will.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Be a community designing some new cards on print and
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: play and digital and board game arena stuff.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Uh like Star Trek and Star Wars have like there,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: do you have the committ continuing committee in the players committee?
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: A net Runner?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: And yeah, Runner net Runners still exists.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Runner never die for whatever reason. We're not one hundred
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: percent sure. But anyways, like well, Josh, yeah, I'm not
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: sure why it doesn't. We don't know why it doesn't die. Yeah,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: just again, it's it's time will tell. I'm sure they'll
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: want some new cards eventually, maybe in six months time
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: or so. If you're getting some of the creators and
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the the you know whatnot, I'm sure they can lead
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: people in the correct direction as to where they were headed.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming they were further than the never Ending Journey, right,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: or at least some in some idea.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've probably designed a little bit for said eight
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: or nine a lot.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Correct, I mean, it's cool. I mean what when when
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I forgot when you said it was May something May
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: twenty six, just six, it'll it. That's its BG A
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: end date, right.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: No, no, would not be me. No, that's center dot
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: gg g G.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, okay, when is bg AJ.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: So the yeah, probably maybe never. The cool thing about
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: BGA and I've learned.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: From probably maybe never the sentence I've ever heard. Probably
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: maybe never. All Right.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: The coolest thing about BGA that I've learned from Vincent
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: is it costs nothing to have your game on.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: So it's just the designing, I guess coding the developer.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So at the bare minimum, intel BGA explodes or
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: or they say they have to cut games or something,
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: the starter decks and demo decks should remain on BGA
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: for a very long kay, by the end of May.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: The developers of the community project their main goal is
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: to allow people to play custom decks after May, even
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: if it means they have to do no uniques. There's
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: the there's a lot of promising ideas and ways that
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: they could keep uniques, and Equinox is also opening to
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Let's just say, for an example, they send an email
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: to everyone that has an account says like click this
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: link to claim your collection and then it'll connect to
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: the new API to transfer it.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Emails. But that's fine, Yeah, and nobody checks email, especially if.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: You if you hear about it, then you just you know,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: search your email and find it, because.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Until what got it? Until you say something, and then
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I'll yeah.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Because the reality is is if they did it on
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: the website and they said, hey, everyone go to the
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: website and claim your collection, but you have until the
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: end of May, there would be more people that miss
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: that then don't read their emails. So I and that
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: is not one hundred percent confirmed how it's going to work.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: That's just one of the ideas. There's a massive, too
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: much of a debate on how uniques are going to work,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: whether people should keep their uniques, whether it should be
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: open to everyone, YadA YadA. I don't even want to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: get into that conversation.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, the uniques, we know you don't like them, Wookie,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: but other people do.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Getting rid of uniques is out of the question. In
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: in my humble opinion, you can.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Have an opinion and you're you're allowed to be wrong.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: They will still have a no unique mode. You can
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: have all the fun play in that. Some people will
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: want to play with uniques and.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: I and that's that's a super easy way to put it.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Is if you don't like uniques, you always have no unique.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: But if you like uniques and they all go away,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: you have nothing. So, uh, what happens from here will
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: be all up to that. I don't have any say
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: in whatever happens. If you want to put your voice
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: towards whatever, you can join the Discord server. But it's
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: it will not be up to me. And that is
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: what a yeah, And there is a question from Astro
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: in the live chat, what would I like to see
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Altered become in one year? Is this where I break
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: everyone's hearts?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: I do?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: I am. I think it's super cool that people want
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: to continue the journey and that so many people have
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: signed up to it and lend it, lend their their
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: sword or their axe. I am the type of person
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: that sometimes thinks it's okay to just let things die,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: like if I play D and D. I am not
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: the type of player that's like, oh my god, if
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: my character dies, it's going to be the end of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: the world. Sometimes things are better if they just die.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: So what would I like to see Altered become in
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: one year? I don't know. I don't can't memory.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: A memory, Yeah, I don't good memories. Yep.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Altered Reunion and everything that they are
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: going to do. But the community is the community. It
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: has you know, a good mix of good and bad.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I will forever have all of the memories and joy
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: that I had with the game, and whether it continues
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: or dies, yep, that you know that can't be taken away.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: And sometimes it's like when your favorite show goes to
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: a season nine and it really shouldn't have It should
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: have just died and maybe now refused.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: This American show Cold not Dead yet that god cancel
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: left the season two.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that that's how I would answer that question,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: if you guys want to answer it as well.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd like to see new stuff happen, and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: it would be great if a new company took over
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: like they did with KeyForge, but I honestly don't really
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: see that happening.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's great you can't catch the Falling Knife.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: It's great that Reunion's doing it stuff and that the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: community is going to keep the game going. But I'm
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: kind of fine with it dying and just letting it go.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll still play some altered now and then,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: but I'm not going to be super invested in the future.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: We'll probably have some singleton deck built.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: All garricks, not that far.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: But there is one Garrick that I've been eyeing for
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: a long time and it's still sixty bucks.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: So sadly, I'm never going to get that one.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: What you got there, Felix, it's my all garrick built
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: all garricks all the time.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: I was playing with Endorvian recently and I've been playing
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: with a Garrick that returns stuff from reserve back to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: hand and it's been pretty nasty nice.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I think I've made my views on this well known.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I would like to see it become a digital only client.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: This is the way your consumer base has told you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: it wants to interact with your product. Give me what
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I want or give the people what they want.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: But you won't even play online here, right.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: But it's this isn't something dexter. Sometimes it's not all
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: about you, right, and it isn't about me, but like
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: the community as a whole. Right, Like I'm just one person,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm a small fish and a big pond,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: and the big pond has said, we like to play
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: this ship online. Give them what they give them, give
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: them what they fucking want. Like if it if it isn't,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: if it isn't your view, right, and that's not how
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: you and you do you Okay, well I didn't want
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: my game played this way. Well guess what, Sometimes you
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: create a thing that just becomes bigger than you, right,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: and this seems to be one of those things. And
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, if this is what the players want,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: give the players what they want. You've been so focused
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: on giving the players what do they want to the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: detriment of the fucking company, then just why is this
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: the bridge that's too far? Do you know what I mean?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Like you you literally sunk your own company because you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: made ship too cheap, but this is the bridge that's
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: too far. Well, online only gasp, clutch my pearls, right
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: means and the community, I think as far as a
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: business goes, I think I think from a business mind
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: point if I were and I can't what's his online
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: name the owner of Equinox.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Regis Yeah, is it really his real name?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: It's like a.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Famous game designer.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Man, I've never heard of them before before he was
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: doing an interview online. But either way, you know, it's
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: like it's just one of those things where it's like,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: you know it totally. I totally lost where I was
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: going with this, But like, if this is what the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: players want, give them what they want. Don't be so hasty, right, Like,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: people depend on you for their paycheck, and now there's
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people who aren't getting paychecks, which kind
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: of sucks. But I mean, again, this happens all the time, right,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: there's nothing new about this. Companies go up and leave
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: and whatnot. So like, but just if players have said
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: this is how we want it, let them have it, right,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: and then when that go on, then when that didn't,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: and then when that fails, you could be like, well,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: we gave you what you wanted. We did everything that
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: we could. Now it's no longer possible. We're sorry, guys.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: But I think you're looking at it the wrong way.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: I think they are doing exactly what you're asking for.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: The problem is is you want them to convert it
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: to a digital only game when it does not exist
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: at all like that, and to convert it would cost money.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: They don't have money, which is why.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I no know. But back up the back up the train.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: It's already converted.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: No, you mean it's not.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: All you have to do is now figure out a
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: way to convert what you have to a digital property,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: which you're right. Okay, so the next two sets haven't
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: been converted, right, No, okay.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: How do you make money doing that?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: But I'm not I am, I don't have an NBA.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not a business person, right, Like that's I I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: don't have the answers for you. But I'm sure there
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: are people out there in the world who have done
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: this before who are much better at it than I am. Right.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: I run a pawn shop in Milwaukee, right, I know
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: how to successfully run upon shop in Milwaukee. Right. I
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: don't know how to successfully marketing campaign a digital online CCG. Right.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: I think the problem is, but.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: There are people out there who do who I can
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: then tell you don't know how to run upon shop
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, right.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: So I think the problem there is you're assuming that
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: the game would make any amount of money if that
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: were the case, which it is not.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: It makes its money, maybe it doesn't. Maybe maybe you're right,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: but if you never try, you never know. Right. Obviously,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: obviously there's at least fourteen hundred people out there who
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: are still interested.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's to me, that's why I think they
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: are doing it.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: And the number and the number of people, and what
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I've found is the number of people who dig deeper
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: to visit a discord and visit anything that is significantly
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: out of the you know, the quote unquote normal realms
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: of being very casual at the game is normally about
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: ten percent. So there's a maybe a ninety percent of
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: a community out there that just isn't doing much with it, right,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: but they'll play casually from time to time.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Buy someone out, you know, you want to know the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: sad reality. I think it's actually better that all of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: the employees get to ride it out until the end
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: of May and then get to be unemployed. And that
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: sounds crazy, but you know why I'm listening because they're
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: in Paris.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: It is not a bad thing to lose your job
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: in France. It means you have a year to just
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: fuck off and do whatever you want and be fine.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm oversimplifying a ton, but yeah, I don't know.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Whatever it's, it's it's different in Paris than it is there. Again,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I just I think there's there's a whole community of
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: folks out there who again interact with this game. I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: think I think you're leaving chips at the table, and
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: you know what, Listen, if he's okay with that and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: everyone else is cool with that, cool right, Like it's
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: your game. I have this little to no say, and
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: by little I mean I have no say in how
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: you right off into the sunset. I just think, I,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: you know, Wookie is the king of bad opportunities, right,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: and I see an opportunity here. Whether it's good or bad,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: nobody will ever know. And maybe that's a good thing.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But at the same point, like it's like, ah, this,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: there seems to be an opportunity here. Could we explore this?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: And if they decide not, that's that's again, it's no
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: skin off my back if they don't decide to continue
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: that opportunity or you know, follow down that path. I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: just think, you know, you you brought a whole bunch
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: of people into a game, into a world you created.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: You got seven sets out of three years, two and
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: a half years, we'll call it.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: A year and a half, a.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Year and a half. Has it really only been a
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: year and a half long? It? Does? You know? I
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: don't know. Again, it's totally up to them. I I
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: don't have any say so.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'll just say I respect them and
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: how they operate as a company, which might be uh,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: harsh words for a lot of people to hear, but
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: it's remained true the entire time. Even if there's one
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: or two people within the company that I don't quite
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: respect as much, I've always appreciated their approach.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: So let's see, I gotta go back to the notes.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: I kind of lost where we were. Are we are?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: We good? We got we went through everything right?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: The final Patreon question, I mean.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: We can't even say final because who knows, because like
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, then like three.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Weeks later there'll be a damn an that comes out
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: and be like, what the hell is going on?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: Is that Mega is still the thing?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: So far too.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Everyone has Reunion is a thing?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, you know, interact with the game,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: you want to interact with it. If you all are
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: moving on to like Cyberpunk or whatever, move on. If
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: if you still want to play Altered, still play Altered. Right.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: This is the thing that I could tell you is that,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: like uh, card games with good followings tend to not
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: always die.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Out right, Like people are still going to play.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: It's Star Wars like a Star Trek net Runner like
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: all these gay I mean ship L five R still
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: has quite a heavy following.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: Surprisingly.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, it has its own deck builder and it's all
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: online client right now, right, so you know if you.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: Say online client for a game, Yeah, why didn't you
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: tell me about this earlier?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: L five R? Yeah, now I'm going to know all
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: that you didn't know about it. This is an old
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: ULL five are Yeah, I.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: Didn't know there was a good online client.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have an online client.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Is it? Is it good?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: I think it's good.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: But it has its own deck builder and it's its
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: own online client, so it exists all right, People still
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: use it. It's not shut down or anything. It's mobile friendly.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: You can play it on your phone.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, we all know Coal's Cole's mobile friendly standards are
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: very high.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: Yep, true, very high. Do you want to do a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: very last question of the week for old time sake?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Sure, let's do it. Why not for actually it's that's
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: even in the notes. Why not for old times sake?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Question of the week? What is your favorite unique that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: you have seen so far from Seeds of Unity? I
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: wouldn't know, Kenny, because I didn't get any.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Seeds of unity is before roots of corruption?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, And I can't even make that joke.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Did you open any seeds of unity?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: H No, I haven't even gotten mine yet. All right,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: nobody's getting any of them, are they? No? I haven't gotten.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, how have you not gotten yours? Where is?
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: You're definitely game? If you back to the game found
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: you should have definitely got. I got mine like two
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: or three weeks.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: It might be in one of those that's in the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: in the side of the room because I as you guys,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I told you guys this, I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: am re number one. I'm looking for a house. Yeah.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: That has gobbled up all of my time, energy and everything.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I'm redoing my quote unquote studio AKA in my living room,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: so like everything is a hot mess right now. There's
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: boxes over there, boxes over there, boxes over there. I
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: can't show you, but my my living room is a
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: hot mess right now. Yep.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Mine's my pinocchio. And I won't tell you what it is.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: I will just tell you to play a game against
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: my taroon on BGA and you can see my pinocchio.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I wish got a pretty good ones.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: I got a record tradesman and a record investor. The
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: record investor is a bureaucrat. It works great with Waru.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: I've actually been playing some Waru with seeds. It's pretty fun.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: It's not great, but I'm having fun with it, making
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: lots of Mannis seeds for myself, and then the other
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: one is basically a Sandman and ramp. It's great, great things.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I want to open all seeds of Unity.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: That leaves Felix.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Have you got any good Seeds of Unity uniques?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: No Unity cards outside of the ones in BGA.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Oh well you.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: Need seeds of Unity and you're in Houston, Texas. You
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: can go to arc Light Gaming where they have everything
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: at twenty five percent off of MSRP.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Nice, yes, nice? All right, Well, we don't know if
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: this will be the end? What do we What do
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: we say? Last time we called it the end? Well,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: how did how did we go about saying it?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: I'm saying this. This is absolutely the end unless there
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: comes like crying demand in the streets for us to
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: cover something.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: I agree with this sentiment. We're done, it's over.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: If you you might hear me on Arcon's corner.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: If I break over at Arcon's corner, he has come
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: to the next Dead card game. Uh yep.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: We actually did record something with Emperor Ricu which I
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: thought really YouTube in a little bit, and it.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Is super so emper Rico. Uh yeah.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun and it'll show you
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: how fucking gigabrain I am when it comes to card games.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: So, I mean I would say, right, I don't know
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: if he's going to listen to this, but uh, I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: mean I've I've spoken with Ricou. Ah yeah is uh
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: his English isn't bad. No, it's great, not great, it's great,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: Well, how is your French or Vietnamese or Chinese non existent?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Languages and the freak job breaker for at least learning English.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And then they're they're all talking about going
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: to Vietnam, and I'm like, oh shit.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: I would love to go to Vietnam and hang out
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: with some old viet Cong and give them high fives.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: We're going scorched Earth on last episode.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I guess, so we are just killing it because yeah,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: they were talking about going to Vietnam for the Vault Tour. Actually, France,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I think is getting its own Vault tour this year.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Too, France, and I know I know from future self
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: covered that Brazil is going to have one as well.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good for Brazil, Good for Brazil. So all right, Well,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: with that being sold said, everyone go fuck yourselves. This
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: is it. If you really want to hear it talk
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: about anything ever again, you gotta talk to Cole and
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: bother him in his discord. Don't bother me though. I
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: won't answer you because I don't check my discord. Nor
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: I actually do check my discord. No, I don't. I
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: have like fourteen friend requests that are all probably porn
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: bots right now.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, kiddos.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's might be always set it up. But
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: but that being said, we'll see you all never, so
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: go fuck yourselves.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Have a good night, everyone, see you all on Arcon's corner.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: A much better show.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: No, that's wrong, I'd like it better than you. Just
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: ended with, go fuck.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: You have no proof, but go fuck yourself. We'll talk
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: late where
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: My s