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#95 - Rock Royalty, Sobriety, & First Class Stories · The Chris and Mike Show

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  What's up there, boys and girls? What's up, ladies and gentlemen?
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  It's. Chris, Mike.
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  Chills. It's Chris Mike's show.
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  He's Chris. I'm Mike.
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  Hey, not really. That would be crazy to take on
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  each other's persona for a day. I don't think I could do.
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  That there was a there's a song you could.
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  There's a song, it's a Van Halen song with the Hagar.
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  Era. One of my favorite ones.
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  Fuck, what the fuck? I guess it called humans.
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  No, not humans being what the fuck.
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  There's a line in it that that talks about.
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  Fuck this. Is it from that era?
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  It is from Sammy's era. Me wise, Oh no, that was.
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  Not me wise magic, that's David Lee Roth.
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  But it's there's a line it's I listen to it all the time, which
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  is irritating. I can't remember the name of it,
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  but there's a line where if you and I.
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  Were to switch places for a day, would would you be satisfied or
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  something? It's really, really fucking
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  cool, right? Now, oh, now you got.
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  Now I can hear him singing it, you and I.
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  Yeah, if I were you. And you were right.
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  What the fuck is that song, man? God Dang it.
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  Or if you were me, I can I can hear the cadence of how he.
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  Sings. I know, I know.
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  Absolutely, absolutely, man. Where's, where's the fucking
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  cancel called Van Halen? One of Eddie's finer guitar
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  moments too. And that what?
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  That's a deep Van Halen. Cut that.
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  Wasn't. Yeah, yeah, it's that's why I
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  liked it. Because it's not too.
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  It's not. It's not one of the ones that's
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  played all the time. Black and blue.
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  Panama feels so good. Duh, duh, duh.
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  I bet it's on like the Balance album.
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  Oh, that probably could be. Hold on.
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  Because that was one That was my favorite Sammy era Van Halen
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  album for sure. Balance had a lot of tension to
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  it. You could feel that there were
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  things not right in the band, but damn did it make for some
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  good songs. Feeling feeling.
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  Yes. Fucking great song.
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  Oh man, that that just gives me chills now.
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  Great song, I like it because of feeling lyrics.
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  See if you can find that on YouTube and just play a little
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  bit of it. OK, so here's the line though
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  if. If I were you, if, if I were
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  you, if you were me. I wonder who I'd want to be.
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  Right. If.
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  I that's it. If you were me, I wonder who I'd
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  want to be. Yes, listen.
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  That is so man, I haven't heard that song in a long time.
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  It's on my, it's on my thing, man.
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  So how do I do this? Share.
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  So go down to the bottom where it says share and share your
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  screen. Yep.
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  Yep, it doesn't have a video, That's all right.
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  Yeah. Out of touch most of the time.
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  Donald Align. A little bit.
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  Of my mind. Kicking.
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  Down the way it starts. There you go, it's.
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  The hardest thing oh grow it alone, shave it all life is
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  hard, another song I need a change I need it quick before it
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  makes me sick is. This her last album.
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  That's what's on my my hand. It was.
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  Now pay attention, watch your back, pay your dues and stay on
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  track. Got no room to second guess.
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  Puts me on distress. Oh if I were you, if you were
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  me. Wonder who I don't want to be
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  with? Just one wish you can't refuse.
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  I wouldn't know what to do. A little breakdown.
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  That's awesome. I like the B side.
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  Stuff I don't. I like the commercial stuff,
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  right? But I I like a lot.
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  Of the the stuff. Say that statement again because
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  I don't know if anybody heard that.
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  OK, I said. I I like the.
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  The the the. Obscure B side stuff.
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  I don't. I mean, I like the commercial
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  stuff they release, but the stuff that's kind of just lost
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  in the system right on the album itself that they don't ever push
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  out, they're hidden gems. Like, that's a really fucking
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  good song if you've never if you've never listened.
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  To it go. Tired of that one out?
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  Yeah, just just go listen to balance on a loan.
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  The balance. The balance.
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  Out the whole album. Is is fucking outstanding
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  balance. Let's just drop the entire
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  album. Let's see what they have.
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  The whole fucking stupid thing. Well, I heard one on the way
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  home actually came up on my playlist, The 7th Seal, which is
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  the first song on that album. Yep.
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  So there. Don't tell me what love can do.
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  That was a great rhythm. Fuck yeah, can't stop loving
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  you. Amsterdam song for sure.
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  Amsterdam's a great song. So 7th.
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  Seal Not Enough is another great love song.
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  Doing time. Not really a love song, actually
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  it's. Well don't.
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  You can't stop loving you. Very emotional and don't tell me
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  what love can do I both. Love songs, for sure.
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  Amsterdam's about partying stronger.
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  That's about partying, right? Take me.
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  No, I was talking about not enough.
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  I'm looking. Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah.
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  OK, yeah, not. Dude, that song's another one
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  that it's just got incredible emotion.
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  Yeah, this, this has, oh, it has lyrics on there.
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  Is it playing? Yeah.
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  OK, it starts off real soft. Oh yeah.
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  Oh yeah, that yeah, that is a fucking good song.
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  That's the beautiful thing about music, man.
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  I like one of the. Videos about somebody to love
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  somebody faith free to love somebody equally.
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  It's not in love, it's not in love.
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  It's not in love to love somebody secret.
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  That's cool. Pause it real quick.
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  So I was working with this dude about two weeks ago and he likes
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  to talk music. He's a huge fan and, you know,
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  he's thinks it's cool that I was a musician.
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  And we talk about songwriting and he says, where do you, how
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  do you know where to put? You know, you were orchestrating
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  where it was going to be before it happened, right?
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  Because as a songwriter, you feel that space and time that
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  you don't want to fill as a lead singer, but you want to fill as
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  a songwriter, right? So now I'm going to put in my
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  background vocals. Yeah.
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  And you just see a light go off in their eyes.
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  It's like, oh, that's where that comes from, You know, It's like,
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  it's, it's as simple as that. The lead singer Can't Sing all
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  the time. He's got to breathe at some
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  point, right? Well.
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  Yeah, when that, the fact too, the, the way that we wrote stuff
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  and the way that I was trying, tried to, to write stuff before
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  and after it was I didn't, I didn't want the song to be
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  focused on what I was doing. I wanted the music and the
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  elements and the sound right, The solos and and the drum.
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  Fills the. Screen.
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  So a lot of the things that I would do, I would take, I would
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  take, I would take what the, what the music was, what you
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  guys are doing musically. And then from as I would start
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  formulating how how to structure the the lyrics and you know, the
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  words themselves, right, Because just because I wrote it doesn't
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  mean I'm going to sing it the way it was written because, you
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  know, Annunciation, how to style the.
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  Word things like that. What party going to hold out?
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  You know the melody and shit develops itself within the music
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  of the song. But I was always really keen on,
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  like with Scott was how he was just a powerful drummer when
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  when he would have some fills and shit.
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  Like I purposely wouldn't sing over those things because I
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  wanted to hear it. When Rick could have a really
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  cool bass riff, I wouldn't sing over that.
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  If you're doing some weird harmonic thing here and there, I
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  never wanted to sing over that because I wanted the whole
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  element, the whole product needed to be heard, and
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  everybody's, everybody's part was so important to the song
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  itself. Well, I always thought it was
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  cool that you knew where the moments in time where you and I
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  could play off each other were. Right.
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  Well, that's just because we. Had that union man.
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  That was fun, you know, and sometimes those things would
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  have never happened on a record, but they happened live all the
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  time. Right.
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  And that's why it's really important, boys and girls, if
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  you're going to be in a band, before you lay anything down in
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  the studio, play it out 100 times, yes.
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  Play that shit out. Play.
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  It well, I'll tell you what I'm thinking of that I hear all the
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  time because I put it at the end of every episode is listen to
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  your sin. You sing all over that solo, but
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  that solo calls for somebody to do something more because
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  there's not a lot going on, right?
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  Right. And we did all.
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  It is is a harmony line. Right.
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  And we did that. That was just organically done
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  because when we were fucking around with that at Scott's
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  house, that's just, you know, because I don't think.
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  It was this man. I don't think originally a
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  single moment, yeah, I don't think I originally sang over the
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  solo. It just, it ended up evolving
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  that way because I would. You guys gave me the ability.
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  Improv so much on stage and and we were so tight that you would
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  follow what I was doing. So it wasn't miss stepping out
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  of this song or the context. Of the song that that was one of
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  the cool freedoms that I liked with Nemesis.
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  Well, I looked at it. It's see, that's how we got
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  along. If you want to know if you want
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  to know how to be in a hive mind as a band with other human
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  beings. I looked at it.
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  Here was my mindset trying to trying to think of how to put
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  this. It was basically the same thing
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  in reverse. So I'm thinking I want to add to
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  whatever you're singing without ruining it for the people that
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  are listening to it, right? Yeah.
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  You were trying not to play over the top of me, and I was trying
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  not to play over the top of you. So what you ended up with was a
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  nice blend. Right.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were.
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  Nobody looked on stage and went, That guy's definitely the guy
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  running the show. You know, how many times did we
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  see that? No, never hundreds.
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  I mean, we saw it, but not with us.
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  We. Just that's what I'm saying.
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  How many times did we see that with other bands where we we
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  would joke? That guy's definitely the
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  leader. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Oh, absolutely, man. But that was that was again, one
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  of our unique qualities. So why we're talking about
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  music? Because I let's just talk about
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  music today because, you know, we haven't done that in a while.
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  I stumbled across the I see. I stumbled across this thing on
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  Instagram and I sent it to you with a video.
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  It was a top 10 electric guitar intros.
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  OK. Oh, awesome.
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  Did you happen to see that? I need to get better about.
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  Looking, you're good, 'cause this is this is this, don't,
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  don't look now 'cause this will be a cool little, this will be a
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  cool surprise. So it's electric guitar intro.
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  So looking at this list, it's, it's basically all of its Hard
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  Rock intros. Yeah, it's all that's hard, Hard
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  Rock except for one. OK, so #10 which is kind of
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  surprising. It was #10 the the electric
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  guitar intro for Master of Puppets.
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  Oh, for sure don't. Yeah, why not?
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  Yeah, that's the Beethoven of our time, right?
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  That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So the people can hear it. We're going to go to.
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  I got to share the screen. Oh, I got to start playing that
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  for sure. No.
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  How do I share the screen again? Where's?
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  Oh, there it is. I see it.
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  I see it. I see it.
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  I see it. Screen OK Share.
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  We love you guys. This is for entertainment
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  purposes. Only, yeah, exactly.
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  They're not going to sue us. This is the top.
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  OK, there you go. The plan?
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  Stop what you're luck with. Right here.
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  OK, so that's, that's Metallica. OK, so that was #10 master
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  puppets. #10. #9 on the. List which which I got to go
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  over here OK, I got to go over here yeah you're going to you're
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  going to you're going to agree with this one too as.
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  As far as it being in. In the list.
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  Oh, million percent. Yeah, right.
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  Yeah, right. Just kick that.
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  Just makes me want, yeah? Music video So it's going to
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  take a little to get there 4. 162 You're Sam Kinison, the
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  late, great Sam. There it is.
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  Absolutely. And he's just bending the
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  strings with that, right? Yeah, he's using his whammy bar.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So that's number nine in the in the top 10.
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  Do you know how many guitar players made their guitar sound
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  like a car, engine or motorcycle before Mcmar said fuck it, I'm
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  going to record it? No, I'm just saying, like I
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  can't imagine how many guitar players just sat in their
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  bedroom and made their guitar sound like a motorcycle.
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  I got it was the one that was smart enough to go.
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  I'm going to put it on a record. Yeah, OK, You can like you're
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  going to like this one too. And then, yeah, 100,000 more
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  guitar players did it because he did it.
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  So this is #7. That should be #1 right?
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  That just makes you want to crank up the volume to
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  1,000,000. Part of the two is you
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  instantly. Know it, Yeah.
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  There's. No doubt strangle what's coming
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  on. Right, you're in for a ride.
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  You just fucking know it. So that's number the.
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  Screen open.
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  This is. This is.
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  This is going back to. Paranoid for sure.
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  That makes me want to pick up my guitar, right?
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  Little Jimi Hendrix for you boys and girls.
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  Oh. Million percent.
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  Be honest with you, I don't remember the sound of this
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  intro. You will in a second.
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  Yeah. Right here.
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  Yeah. And that is how you make
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  history. Little wah.
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  Wah pedal? Yep.
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  So all right. Mini Windows has too many more
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  viewers. That's covering the.
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  Interesting. Well, if you go to the official
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  sites, I'm sure it's definitely we're just picking.
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  This is #5. Absolutely, Absolutely.
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  That's why I said most of them are Hard Rock.
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  But this one's not. This makes me.
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  Think of Goodfellas. Pause that real quick.
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  OK. That makes me think of
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  Goodfellas. And here's why.
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  OK. That band was so cool.
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  They just I understand why they're in there because that's
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  a great intro and the one you just pulled up is another great
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  one. But I'll tell you what's great
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  about Layla. They they had a great outro to
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  that as well. The piano outro to.
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  Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, beautiful.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Beautiful.
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  Yeah. Yeah, simple too.
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  This one's great too. Yeah.
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  Some of the best sounding drums in my opinion.
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  All from from dire straits. Yeah, when the drums kick in
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  here. Yeah.
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  I love the way it just all builds up.
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  Yeah, that's the cool. That's kind of like I.
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  Certain stuff that we look, that's where I like doing that.
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  Yeah, I complain. We're falling back down and out
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  now. This one, next one definitely
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  metal. Oh, for sure.
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  Wait. I love it.
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  Oh my God, everybody's freaking the fuck out.
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  Still sounds as good today as the first time I heard it.
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  Right fucking hey, dude. First my my first introduction
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  to Iron Maiden my brother had. Had.
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  The Trooper album. Pause it real quick.
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  And and the album itself, the cover was like holy shit,
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  remember Eddie in the Revolutionary War garb?
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  100% nobody can hear us when you're telling that story.
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  And I love these stories. Oh.
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  Oh, cuz of the music. Yeah, I don't want them to get,
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  I don't want us to get garbled because I love your music
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  stories. Yeah, well, I and I love.
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  Yours, as I do my own. Yeah, so #2 on the list.
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  This might be, I take that back. This should be #1 you're.
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  Going to be surprised #1 is. And I'll tell you why tell.
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  Me. Why?
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  It's 2 notes, but Darrell forced to move.
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  That's it. That's it.
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  Wow. He was just like, here's 2
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  notes, but I'm going to play him with such authority that you're
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  going to have to move. And this is #1.
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  Well, all right, pause that right there.
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  Have you ever seen the Live at the River Plate version of that,
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  where they're down in South America at a soccer stadium?
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  No. That will, if you search that
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  one ACDC live at the River Plate.
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  OK. There must be 100 and 1000 and
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  20,000 people there and they start playing that and the whole
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  fucking crowd just starts in unison.
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  I love that jump up and down. Love that when you see that
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  dude. And they sing that riff, you
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  know, with ACDC, they're louder than the band at.
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  Time, that's all. I've watched that concert
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  probably four times in its entirety, just because it's so
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  awesome. You and I recently discovered
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  like 2 days ago discovered. Remember when we were on, we had
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  Jake on your friend Jake, not my son Jake.
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  Oh yeah. OK.
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  And we're talking about it gets. Confusing.
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  And we're like. Hey, there needs to be like like
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  a dedicated app to just music right on demand.
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  Everything from videos to you break it down to artists, eras,
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  albums, all that kind of shit. Yeah, fucking YouTube Music.
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  Is just that. I I don't know yet because I, I,
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  I, I've been wanting forever. I've been jonesing right to
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  rewatch scorpions worldwide live.
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  We, you and I have even talked about that like I've been
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  wanting to rewatch that because it just, that was one of those.
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  There's shows I go back and watch, so I appreciate why you
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  want to see that, you know, because it meant so much to you
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  in not only your introduction to Hard Rock and what it meant to
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  you, but you know, as a front man and becoming a singer and a
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  songwriter and what you listen to then.
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  I've been thinking about that a lot as they come up in my
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  playlist. You know, a lot of those bands
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  from the 80s that were really good, especially like as a
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  guitar player, I listen to Saxon and Iron Maiden and Judas Priest
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  and you know, all the bands that had really cool guitar players.
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  Whatever you want to say about the 80s, they they definitely
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  produce some amazing musicians. Amazing, amazing bands and a lot
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  of them get. Lost that could pull it off live
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  too, right? You saw it with your own eyes.
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  I saw the scorpions out in Arizona.
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  They were bad ass man. Yeah, and it was, it was, it was
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  cool to. So I found it.
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  I went on YouTube Music and I just I typed in Scorpions
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  Worldwide Live and fucking there it was in its entirety.
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  Like the whole thing, I'm like, holy shit.
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  And then afterwards there's a little, you know, Golden Nugget,
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  the last like 12 minutes of it because it was a 50th
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  anniversary, which fuck, I'm old, right?
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  Maybe it's 50th anniversary of Scorpions because they didn't.
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  That didn't show. Didn't happen when I was 5.
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  It was a love. It was a love of first team
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  tour, which I didn't realize back then, but it's a love of
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  first team tour and they kept climbing the charts and that was
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  their second tour of the United States.
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  I bet that was about 1984. Yeah, yeah.
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  So they decided at that second leg that they were going to
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  start filming some shows because they wanted to capture what what
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  was going on because they just kept they kept climbing like
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  they were. They were stuck on certain
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  numbers on the charts. And then a couple weeks later
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  they bump up one and then a couple weeks later they bump up
• 24:33
  one. And then and they crescendoed
• 24:34
  all the way up to to where they were playing in Madison Square
• 24:37
  Garden. They were doing the long the
• 24:39
  Long Island Arena or something. They were talking about it.
• 24:42
  Clausen and Matthias were being interviewed and they were it.
• 24:46
  It was kind of cool. They were discussing the
• 24:48
  evolution of the Love at First Thing tour and how they started
• 24:52
  out down here and then all of a sudden they were the like the
• 24:55
  hottest selling band in the in the world at the time and they
• 24:59
  went from clubs to fucking. Thanks to Rudolph's brother
• 25:02
  Michael. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:06
  He chose, he chose his path though, and I'll tell you what,
• 25:09
  the Scorpions did what they wanted to do, and obviously
• 25:14
  Michael didn't want to go down that road, but they delivered
• 25:17
  every night. Man, I don't even remember who
• 25:19
  opened for the Scorpions. That's how fucking good they
• 25:21
  were. Bon Jovi.
• 25:23
  Oh, OK, You remember? No, because they talked about
• 25:25
  it. They talked about it.
• 25:27
  Oh, OK, I got it. Would you have?
• 25:29
  Oh, you didn't go to the show? No, but the love of first tour
• 25:32
  was Bon Jovi. Like like Claus had talked about
• 25:34
  it in the interview, the post, the post radio interview, right.
• 25:37
  He's like, he kind of said it with like, like kind of like a
• 25:40
  dig. Like, well, does that make it
• 25:42
  before 1984? Because it wasn't Bon Jovi on
• 25:44
  top of the world by 1984? Maybe.
• 25:47
  Maybe. Well, this was the way Klaus
• 25:50
  spun it was that was Bon Jovi's break because they toured the
• 25:54
  world with Bon Jovi. So maybe that was like the
• 25:58
  runaway era of Bon Jovi, in and out of love.
• 26:01
  That album. 7800 Fahrenheit, that's what.
• 26:03
  It was, yeah. So was it was it was it was cool
• 26:06
  to listen to them talk about how the how the experience in the
• 26:10
  band started growing because they started with the Spinal Tap
• 26:12
  was out. They talked about that and how
• 26:13
  their first stage. Set.
• 26:16
  Mathias was like, it looks too much like Spinal Tap.
• 26:18
  I'm like this, we're not doing this anymore.
• 26:20
  So. So when they went to the United
• 26:21
  States, they changed the set because it was.
• 26:24
  I think we would have embraced that.
• 26:26
  There was this, there was this thing that that like in front of
• 26:29
  the drum riser, it was like a garage door with lights through
• 26:32
  it and it was rising up while the smoke was billowing.
• 26:34
  And they had their their intro music for the show coming on the
• 26:37
  doom. And it's that was awesome.
• 26:40
  Right. And then you start and as it's
• 26:44
  rising and then they all kind of kind of come running out of this
• 26:46
  box. Right, you make me want to watch
• 26:48
  this concert again right now. So they're all running out and
• 26:52
  kicking their legs and Claus is throwing a microphone.
• 26:55
  And then they're like, yeah, it's fucking Spinal Tap, man,
• 26:57
  let's get a better stage, you know?
• 27:03
  And then they, they, they go on like, like then all of a sudden
• 27:06
  they have whoever was making Steven Tyler's clothes is
• 27:09
  making, making their, their clothes for shows.
• 27:11
  Because then they had to, they had to kick everything up a
• 27:13
  notch. So the production had to go up.
• 27:15
  The what they wore on stage had to evolve and change and get
• 27:18
  better, brighter and, you know, different colors and shit.
• 27:20
  And then all of a sudden they buy more guitars.
• 27:22
  And it was, it was kind of cool because really they, they were
• 27:25
  down here And then love the first thing specifically still
• 27:28
  loving. You fucking took them.
• 27:32
  What a great song though. There were.
• 27:34
  There was a baby. Boom, Nine months after that
• 27:36
  album came out in America. I believe it.
• 27:41
  So yeah, that was cool. That's like the Rock'n'roll
• 27:43
  version of Al Green. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I was.
• 27:49
  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 27:52
  So then. So then last night I was like.
• 27:54
  Oh. From from whatever in my head
• 27:57
  Queens, right? So I, I asked YouTube Music
• 27:59
  Building Empires and sure enough, the building Empires
• 28:03
  video, which takes you from the beginning of the band all the
• 28:08
  way up to Empire that was, that was, that was cool.
• 28:12
  That was interesting to watch. They're very Chris de Garmo did
• 28:16
  most of the talking. He always reminded me of you, by
• 28:19
  the way, and vice versa. You guys had the same look, you
• 28:23
  know, kind of the same skinny rock.
• 28:25
  Star, I think we had, yeah, I think we tried to achieve
• 28:28
  similar styles. He was way more of a proficient
• 28:31
  guitar player. But I know I appreciated how he
• 28:36
  didn't just play, you know, the same rhythm over and over and
• 28:40
  over again. You know his his songs were
• 28:42
  structured and they built into something, you know?
• 28:46
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and they were.
• 28:49
  I love the Queen. 'S right just because of of the
• 28:51
  whole the product of it. Jeff Tate was a fantastic front
• 28:54
  man, you know, and, and like we've talked about, that's what.
• 28:57
  They were solid in every area. They were until the gun will
• 29:01
  laugh and they kind of just poop down a little notch.
• 29:03
  Yeah, I mean, Jesus. You know, it's kind of like if
• 29:06
  Jerry Cantrell left left Alice In Chains.
• 29:09
  Not going to happen, Yeah. But if he did, it wouldn't be
• 29:12
  the same. Band Yeah, you just can't.
• 29:13
  That's a feel. So I think we talked about that
• 29:16
  maybe on the last episode that we released where I said, you
• 29:20
  know, you can be taught to play, but you can't be taught to play
• 29:23
  with that feel that you heard in the intros of all those songs
• 29:28
  that, you know, I would put life in the fast lane in there.
• 29:30
  You know, that was just a intro lick or not an intro, a warm up
• 29:35
  lick that Joe Walls played backstage and the guys were
• 29:38
  like, hey, what's that, you know?
• 29:40
  No shit. He's like, that's just something
• 29:41
  I'm warming up to, you know? Right on.
• 29:43
  Yeah, well, we, I didn't know that.
• 29:45
  Yeah, he told the story on Howard Stern.
• 29:47
  I like the little stories behind the music.
• 29:49
  You know, me too. I'm fascinated with that kind of
• 29:51
  stuff. I actually just watched a
• 29:52
  documentary over the weekend on Guns and Roses.
• 29:55
  It's on Amazon Prime. I remember right about an hour
• 29:59
  and a half, but it's all about their beginnings to basically
• 30:05
  when things started to go South for him, right?
• 30:08
  OK. Cool.
• 30:09
  But the thing that I took away from that was the LA strip
• 30:19
  basically survived for three years longer because of the
• 30:22
  success of Guns and Roses, because they came from
• 30:25
  Hollywood. Yeah.
• 30:26
  Wow. You know, the 80s music was dead
• 30:28
  at that point. And when Appetite, you know,
• 30:30
  everybody sounded the same. I don't.
• 30:31
  Sure dead is a bad way to put it, but it was just becoming
• 30:34
  very redundant, stale. Yeah.
• 30:37
  Everybody was a poser of themselves is what people called
• 30:40
  those kind of people back in. The day.
• 30:45
  So they said the success of Guns and Roses basically kept that LA
• 30:50
  Hollywood scene going for A33 entire more years past when it
• 30:55
  probably would have died. Yeah.
• 30:58
  That's how successful Guns and Roses was.
• 31:01
  And they were too. And, and even though they came
• 31:03
  out, yeah, and even though when they came, they came out with,
• 31:06
  with, with appetite or welcome to the jungle, like he, his hair
• 31:09
  was teased. So they still had a little bit
• 31:11
  of the 80s nonsense. But then the music was like so
• 31:15
  far removed from 80s. Pop rock, a hair band and then
• 31:18
  it just it it went from. Could have been interviewed in
• 31:21
  the documentary Mr. Dunham, they discussed that topic just like
• 31:27
  that. It's it's true though, because
• 31:28
  they it is true, they had to latch on to.
• 31:30
  That But you know what one guy said that nobody ever talks
• 31:33
  about that I've always said about Guns and Roses and I
• 31:36
  wanted to say when Joe was here, but I I don't know.
• 31:39
  I don't know why I didn't interject then.
• 31:40
  But the one thing I always defend Guns and Roses on is they
• 31:44
  were all characters. Each one was their own
• 31:47
  character. The drummer also had his teased
• 31:50
  up hair when Appetite came out if you remember.
• 31:52
  Yep, no, every one of them. And then when Izzy left they had
• 31:55
  the milk cartoons on one of the videos.
• 31:57
  Where's Izzy? Yes.
• 31:59
  Yeah, totally. That was, that was one cool
• 32:02
  thing about what 70s and 80's rock bands did.
• 32:05
  They kind of, you know, had little like the Scorpions, they
• 32:09
  wore the same shit on the stage. Like you knew what you could
• 32:12
  tell from, you know, back at PIR in the very far back.
• 32:16
  Oh, that's Mathias because of his weird fucking yellow black
• 32:18
  stripe clothes, right? And.
• 32:20
  Claus had the. The the cheetah jacket and same
• 32:23
  with kiss. They had their their characters
• 32:25
  and. Think about it.
• 32:26
  Duff was tall. He couldn't miss him.
• 32:29
  He's like 6-2 or three or whatever he is.
• 32:31
  Might be taller than that but Izzy look like a homeless guy
• 32:35
  standing back there with his fucking Derby cap.
• 32:40
  Axel was Axel, Slash became Slash actually became a
• 32:45
  character of himself. Everybody knows what Slash looks
• 32:49
  like. Yeah, everybody.
• 32:51
  It's yeah, without it, without a doubt. 90 year old grandmas
• 32:54
  know. Oh, that's slash.
• 32:56
  Yeah, that's true, though. A lot of Yeah.
• 32:58
  And that was the that was the cool thing about bands, the
• 33:00
  personalities, especially the bigger ones.
• 33:02
  You can start seeing the person eyes on stage and you know, it
• 33:05
  came through and it was kind of cool.
• 33:08
  But I'll tell you another thing I agreed with that I've said
• 33:11
  too, is after the original core members of the band started
• 33:15
  getting replaced, you never they lived off that most dangerous
• 33:21
  band in the world moniker long after it wasn't true, right?
• 33:25
  Yeah, Oh. Yeah, at one time they were the
• 33:28
  most dangerous band in the world.
• 33:29
  You didn't know what you were going to get from night to
• 33:31
  night, but they were so fucking good that you had to try it.
• 33:34
  You had to chance it. That's what the promoters were
• 33:36
  saying. Yeah.
• 33:38
  It was worth the amount of money that you stood to lose to you
• 33:44
  know it. It was worth the amount of money
• 33:47
  to put up. With the bullshit.
• 33:50
  With the yeah, with their bullshit, because of how much
• 33:53
  the end product was, you know you're making whatever it was 11
• 33:58
  times on your investment. And the bullshit was Axel,
• 34:02
  because everybody else wanted to go out and play and they just
• 34:05
  had to wait for Axel. Yeah, there was somebody that
• 34:07
  was close to Izzy in that documentary that basically said
• 34:11
  he never wanted that band to get that big and he left.
• 34:13
  That's the end of the story. Izzy yeah, I don't see.
• 34:16
  That it just wasn't for him, you know, He would have been happy
• 34:19
  playing in bars and clubs the rest of his life.
• 34:22
  Yeah. And see, that amazes me.
• 34:23
  There's people like that that go into the music industry that,
• 34:28
  you know, Eddie Vedder, he didn't want Pearl Jam to be
• 34:31
  Pearl Jam, which I part of. Part of me gets that like you
• 34:36
  just want to stay humble and in your space.
• 34:38
  But if you want to reach to the level of that that you don't
• 34:41
  have to worry about anything and that's your life, then you're
• 34:44
  going to have some level of success.
• 34:47
  So let me ask you this because I ask every musician this.
• 34:50
  OK. Does your message mean something
• 34:54
  to the world? Do you want it to mean something
• 34:57
  to the world, or do you want it to mean something to you?
• 35:01
  From my from from the higher right.
• 35:03
  Lyrics and stuff. Yeah.
• 35:06
  I've always wrote it as approach to to this is for the world
• 35:09
  because some way, shape and form they're going to relate to what
• 35:12
  I'm singing about. What I think that what I think
• 35:15
  that to me that proves that you would have handled fame in a
• 35:19
  very diplomatic and casual. Way I think I would have, I
• 35:23
  think I would have been the guy that that would have I wouldn't
• 35:26
  have like when I saw Queens like building Empires, we had we had
• 35:29
  meet and greet after the show, right?
• 35:31
  So of course, the one who who comes out is Eddie Jackson, the
• 35:34
  bass player. Like, like, like really like
• 35:39
  Jeff Tate's not coming out, Wilton's not coming out, rocking
• 35:41
  Field's not coming out. It's Eddie Jackson.
• 35:43
  Get out. There, bass player, get out
• 35:45
  there. He was cool, but it's just he's
• 35:49
  a bass player and for those of you that know bass players.
• 35:52
  All your You're treading on dangerous waters.
• 35:56
  But you know what I'm saying? From a personality.
• 35:58
  Standpoint, I don't know what he's saying, ladies and
• 36:00
  gentlemen, because at some time I have to work with bass
• 36:03
  players, so now I I know exactly what.
• 36:06
  Bass bass players. Do you're a fan of the band and
• 36:10
  even bass players understand? That's why there's so many bass
• 36:13
  player jokes, you know, That's why normally they are such cool
• 36:16
  down to earth human beings because they're going to have to
• 36:20
  deal with the public hazing and hazing within the band at.
• 36:26
  Times. Right, but it's just but.
• 36:28
  They are the foundation of the band, whether you like it or
• 36:30
  not. Yeah, yeah, they write the song.
• 36:33
  It's not a chord until the bass player chooses the note.
• 36:36
  That's always the joke. Yeah, so I mean, it was, it was
• 36:39
  cool to meet him because that was the first real rock star I
• 36:43
  met from a from a dialogue standpoint.
• 36:45
  And he he's graceful with his time.
• 36:46
  It wasn't like hurry up and ask my question and get my answer.
• 36:49
  You know, he was kind of talking to there's like 10 of us.
• 36:51
  So, you know, he was signing stuff, talking, looking,
• 36:54
  engaging, eye contact, stuff like that.
• 36:56
  So it was a good experience. It's just not what it's not what
• 37:00
  you wanted. And my question I remember to
• 37:01
  this day was, are you guys ever going to write another rock
• 37:04
  concept and, you know, a conceptual album again, like
• 37:07
  mine crime and he's like, I hope not.
• 37:09
  And then fucking building. But building empires, like
• 37:12
  building empires was a conceptual album.
• 37:14
  Of course it wasn't. It wasn't as.
• 37:16
  It wasn't as. It wasn't.
• 37:18
  It was in your face. Right, it wasn't a start to
• 37:20
  finish his mind crime, but it's still every song kind of
• 37:24
  continues the story of the original song because the
• 37:27
  context of it and and was all government and and you know,
• 37:30
  control and conspiracy and shit. So that was interesting that he
• 37:35
  said no, I hope not, but. Like what you just kind of did,
• 37:38
  man, but his eyes didn't, so you know.
• 37:43
  That's cool. You got to meet somebody from
• 37:45
  Queen Drake. Yeah, yeah, it was cool, you
• 37:47
  know? And that he wasn't a Dick.
• 37:49
  It always sucks. People forget where they came
• 37:52
  from, you know? No, and and that's why I think,
• 37:55
  and I think you too would have been.
• 37:56
  I don't, I I don't. We can't speak for Scott and
• 37:58
  Scott, Scott and Rick. Wow, brain fart.
• 38:03
  Rick would have just been along for the ride, just like he
• 38:05
  always was. Yeah.
• 38:06
  But I think you and I would have, yeah, I think you and I
• 38:09
  would have had no problem going out and signing things and
• 38:12
  pictures and hanging out and just because that's.
• 38:15
  No, we, I think that's why. Well, I don't think you know
• 38:20
  kiddos that are out there that want to be professional
• 38:22
  musicians. The reason that Metallica became
• 38:24
  the biggest band in the world is because they never forgot where
• 38:27
  they came from. And they are as much fans of
• 38:30
  their own band and other people's music as we are.
• 38:35
  Right? They'd never forgot being the
• 38:38
  kids who were in the garage listening to their favorite
• 38:41
  bands. That's why they became the
• 38:44
  biggest. It just.
• 38:45
  Yeah, as far as Hard Rock goes, or heavy metal or whatever you
• 38:49
  want to call it, it's just, it's just you rise to the top by
• 38:54
  being humble, you know? Yeah.
• 38:56
  And like you said, you don't forget where you came from.
• 38:58
  Like you don't. It's it's, I see it all the time
• 39:01
  and I'm sure you see. Shit, I appreciate that
• 39:02
  compliment from you though. That kind of stuff not lost on
• 39:05
  me. I know, I know.
• 39:07
  But I, I, I, I I see, I see too much of people walking by people
• 39:13
  with their hands out like this. Just give me 5.
• 39:15
  Just really just give the dude 5.
• 39:17
  What's it going to hurt? You don't have to touch your
• 39:19
  face. After you give him and 20 other
• 39:21
  people A5, you go back to the dressing room and wash your
• 39:23
  fucking hands, because I get that like I'm a little paranoid
• 39:26
  with that shit, but I would still like fucking it's not that
• 39:30
  hard. Oh look, there's a fan.
• 39:32
  You fucking that fan is going to go home next.
• 39:34
  Oh dude, fucking I sell scorpions last night fucking
• 39:37
  with tire shops. I reached up on stage.
• 39:39
  You slapped my head. It was cool fucking and that's
• 39:42
  that's going to live in that kids mind for years and you're
• 39:48
  going to like just like now Eddie Jackson wasn't oh, Eddie
• 39:50
  Jackson, but I was. I was so into Queens Reich at
• 39:54
  the time that it was cool enough that he came out and was
• 39:59
  gracious and was cool and was answering questions.
• 40:01
  It wasn't a Dick. And you know, he had the big 400
• 40:04
  LB bodyguard that was, you know, far enough away that if somebody
• 40:08
  tried to do something that the guy couldn't have saved him
• 40:10
  because he was too big. But.
• 40:13
  He didn't have him sit right next to him.
• 40:14
  So it was, it was kind of cool. Like when I met Alter Bridge, it
• 40:17
  was the same thing. It wasn't, they were at a table,
• 40:20
  right? And so we were walking, we were
• 40:22
  going across the table having them sign stuff.
• 40:24
  But you had enough time to have conversations with him.
• 40:28
  So much so that I learned that Brian Marshall, the bass player
• 40:31
  for Alter Bridge, is a realtor in Florida.
• 40:33
  So I actually tried to give him a referral one time and he's
• 40:35
  like, I don't cover that area. Like, motherfucker, why not?
• 40:39
  I would love to be able to get a referral from Brian Marshall.
• 40:44
  You know, at least I tried, right.
• 40:45
  So that was the that was the cool thing.
• 40:47
  Approachable bands are just that.
• 40:49
  Like Michael Bruce. I met him and Alice Cooper's
• 40:52
  original guitar player. Really nice guy, really laid
• 40:55
  back. Now part of it's because he's 70
• 40:58
  years old now. So he's, you know, that's a dude
• 41:00
  that stood in front of 200,000 people and played music when
• 41:02
  Alice Cooper. So damn right.
• 41:04
  Right. So if.
• 41:05
  He's been any done that. Right.
• 41:07
  So, so if anybody could have the right to have just an an ego,
• 41:13
  something like that would have that right.
• 41:15
  And he doesn't. He didn't.
• 41:16
  Sure, he's just laid back. And those are, that's always so
• 41:19
  fascinating to me. I love those people because they
• 41:22
  became better human beings, right?
• 41:25
  They experienced something that very few people will ever
• 41:28
  experience, and they learned and grew from it instead of being
• 41:31
  like, look at me and look at what I did.
• 41:33
  Right. I admire those people.
• 41:36
  Yeah. And there's a lot of, yeah,
• 41:37
  there's a lot of people that I've run across over the years
• 41:40
  that looking on my wall over here, like Beth from Beth and
• 41:44
  Bill, she's being on iheart in. Radio personality in Arizona for
• 41:47
  decades and she, there was nothing pompous about her.
• 41:50
  She was just, I saw her passing. I was getting ready to go record
• 41:54
  my show. She was coming out of somewhere
• 41:56
  and I was like, hey, Beth and she looks like, who the fuck are
• 41:59
  you? And I was like, hey, I'm Chris.
• 42:01
  I do a show with with G&E neutral talk USA.
• 42:04
  She's like, oh, OK, how are you? I'm said, I'm great.
• 42:05
  I was like, so this person I know name name Holly.
• 42:08
  She thinks you're just the greatest person ever.
• 42:10
  So I think would be hilarious if I we could take a picture
• 42:12
  together and I can just rub it in her face.
• 42:15
  And and so and she laughed and then so Margie, my my Co host,
• 42:19
  she took a picture of us and you know, but she could have been
• 42:22
  like, fuck off. She could have been like, hi
• 42:24
  Chris. I got to go, but she wasn't.
• 42:25
  She was like, OK. But don't you think that that's
• 42:29
  why those people are so successful, because they're
• 42:31
  genuine personality just like yours does?
• 42:34
  I mean, I'm a tough card. I'm a tough card to read.
• 42:37
  I don't know if I have a personality, but your
• 42:39
  personality comes through in space all the time.
• 42:41
  Yeah, and I agree with you. The more approachable you are on
• 42:45
  the social medium, whatever you're doing, podcasts,
• 42:48
  Instagrams, Facebooks, I think the more poetry.
• 42:51
  People pick up on that, like you said, they, they get, they, they
• 42:55
  feel that. Because they know you're not,
• 42:57
  you know? Now I do have my asshole
• 42:59
  moments. Not going to fucking.
• 43:00
  Pretend we all do. We're human beings.
• 43:02
  You know, but it's. Not perfect every minute of
• 43:04
  every day. No, but it's kind of cool that,
• 43:06
  you know, like when I met Butch Patrick, right, Eddie Munster,
• 43:10
  there's a kid that came up from a child, right, And the Munsters
• 43:13
  was a was like the number one show, right?
• 43:16
  Laid back? Yeah.
• 43:17
  There was only like 3 shows on television back then.
• 43:20
  For real. Right.
• 43:21
  Totally unassuming. You can kind of tell he's Eddie
• 43:24
  Munster if if, but if he just saw him, you wouldn't think, oh,
• 43:27
  that's Eddie Munster because he's old.
• 43:29
  But just legit, really. Genuine nice human being, you
• 43:32
  know, wasn't an ass. That's awesome.
• 43:35
  You know, and I hung out with him pretty much for two days
• 43:38
  because he was doing good news Arizona time and, and he invited
• 43:40
  me to go. To the the Garrett Barrett
• 43:42
  Jackson auction and actually film him selling the Munster
• 43:46
  mobile. No way.
• 43:48
  Yeah, we put it together as a little clip for him.
• 43:52
  So that was. That's really cool dude, I'd
• 43:53
  never do that. Yeah, so I was in the, I was in
• 43:55
  the car filming him while he's waving to the crowd on this.
• 43:59
  We went up on stage and I got out of the car on the Barrett
• 44:02
  Jackson stage. And you know, that's so cool,
• 44:04
  man, filming Eddie Munster. You better participant at
• 44:07
  Barrett Jackson. Yeah.
• 44:10
  I think that's neat. I was.
• 44:11
  I watch that every time it's on TVI actually went to it once
• 44:15
  when I lived out there. I'm right on.
• 44:18
  Yeah, I've gone through a couple times.
• 44:20
  And I'm not really even into cars, but I'm not something of
• 44:22
  that level. That's like an old fuck level of
• 44:25
  cars, you know? Right.
• 44:27
  And but the the I've learned. Because I've probably gone three
• 44:29
  times and I've and I've learned kind of like the Phoenix Open
• 44:32
  because being a real estate title companies, oh, here's free
• 44:34
  tickets and shit. That's how I went to the Barrett
• 44:37
  Jackson, yeah. Right.
• 44:38
  But you. You.
• 44:40
  You only have to go to those things once really because it's
• 44:43
  nothing really changes. Like I mean, there's never
• 44:45
  really a a different car there that you haven't seen before.
• 44:49
  Like every year you see the Mystery Machine.
• 44:51
  OK, well. You only did it once, you know
• 44:53
  what I mean? Do you remember how much the
• 44:56
  Monster Mobile sold for it? It wasn't what he wanted.
• 44:59
  I want to say 6070 grand. They were hoping to get like 100
• 45:02
  or something and it didn't. It was a replica.
• 45:04
  It wasn't the IT wasn't the original 1.
• 45:07
  He builds. He builds replicas, he signs
• 45:09
  them, he signs them. I mean, they're all like
• 45:11
  they're, and they are. It's exactly like the car.
• 45:14
  It's just a replica, kind of like the Batmobile, right?
• 45:18
  The original Batmobile is not going to be sold.
• 45:21
  But you have all these replicas that that people make and create
• 45:24
  and you know, it's just aesthetics.
• 45:26
  I got the Batmobile. Sure, you know Herm Edwards.
• 45:30
  I met him in Tempe one time at We were at this restaurant
• 45:35
  eating breakfast and. He just happened to walk by and
• 45:38
  I'm like, you know, I walked up to him and I says hey, you know,
• 45:43
  you're home. And Edwards, he's like, yes, I
• 45:46
  am. I was like, can I get a picture
• 45:47
  because I have a friend because I did Troy, who huge ASU fan
• 45:51
  works for a issue. I was like, as soon as I send
• 45:54
  him this picture, he's going to want to come down to meet you
• 45:56
  and you're going to be gone. So it'll be funny, so.
• 46:01
  He was, I mean, that was, that was.
• 46:02
  I don't, he wasn't. He was, that's that's when he
• 46:04
  was the coach for. ASU.
• 46:05
  So it's not like he was. He was.
• 46:07
  That's after he left the NFL and stuff.
• 46:09
  I don't remember. Really anything about the
• 46:10
  conversation, he just seemed like a cool guy that was
• 46:12
  approachable. But anybody that's an NFL fan
• 46:14
  knows that name for sure. Yes, yes, yeah, 'cause he
• 46:18
  played, I think he played on the box and then he ended up like a
• 46:21
  cornerback, defensive side of the ball and then ended up being
• 46:25
  a coach for The Jets. For a while.
• 46:27
  And maybe a couple other teams, I don't remember who.
• 46:31
  Leatherface. I meant Leatherface or not
• 46:33
  Leatherface. Latimer.
• 46:34
  Remember the movie The Program football movie with James Caan?
• 46:38
  Yes, absolutely Craig Sheffield was the quarterback.
• 46:41
  Latimer was a steroid it out defensive lineman that used to
• 46:44
  paint his face all black and shit.
• 46:46
  He was fucking huge. Yes, OK, so he was, he came to
• 46:51
  town to a signing and I had, I went and picked him up from his
• 46:55
  hotel and he liked Pantera, which I knew.
• 46:58
  So I had Pantera playing and motherfucking just, you know,
• 47:03
  like, dude, you're in somebody's truck.
• 47:04
  You don't fucking whip out your your blunt and start smoking it.
• 47:07
  And I was irritated. No, yeah, I would never do that.
• 47:11
  No, I know, I know. I was like what the fuck dude?
• 47:13
  Come on, You're talking to somebody that you know would do
• 47:16
  potentially do something like that, but you know I would never
• 47:19
  do that. Right.
• 47:20
  But you know, he was Latimer. He was twice my size with
• 47:23
  muscle. Yeah, but that's still fucking
• 47:26
  rude because there's people like my mother who are allergic to
• 47:29
  smoke, you know, like it physically causes her to not be
• 47:32
  able to breathe. So, you know, how did he know
• 47:35
  that you weren't in that position?
• 47:36
  That's that's what I'm always thinking.
• 47:38
  No, I agree. You're like, is this cool?
• 47:41
  You know, and I, yeah, so, but at the same time, you know, your
• 47:44
  mom wouldn't have gotten picked up Latimer from a hotel room,
• 47:48
  you know? No, but my point was.
• 47:50
  No, I get your. Point, I know somebody who's
• 47:53
  physically allergic to smoke, you know, so it had you been you
• 47:58
  with her allergy. Right.
• 48:01
  He could have potentially caused you both to die because you
• 48:03
  wouldn't have been able to drive the car because you couldn't
• 48:05
  breathe, right, Right. That's.
• 48:09
  Have I ever told you the kid in play story?
• 48:11
  I get irritated for you sometimes.
• 48:17
  Have I told you the kid and play story?
• 48:18
  Remember, kid? And play from the 90s.
• 48:20
  From the 90s I got no but I got to hear this one for sure.
• 48:22
  Do tell. But you know who kid and play
• 48:24
  are absolutely OK. So five, 5-6 years ago, Nick and
• 48:29
  I are flying to Washington DC to do our first half marathon for
• 48:33
  the Marine Corps Marathon they have every year.
• 48:34
  OK? OK.
• 48:36
  So. 1 little caveat about us because I don't drink, we don't
• 48:40
  do anything extravagant with our lives.
• 48:41
  We live very like just humble. One of the things we do when
• 48:45
  whenever we go somewhere to run like vacation races, we call
• 48:49
  them, we go first class. And the whole reason why if you
• 48:52
  if you've never run a half marathon and the day after half
• 48:56
  marathon you're flying home and you're sitting in coach, your
• 48:58
  legs don't fucking like you. That doesn't sound fun at.
• 49:02
  All no. So that's one thing that we do.
• 49:04
  We just, that's the one thing we've always kind of splurged
• 49:06
  on. When she and I travel, we just
• 49:09
  do that. And you're supposed to do that.
• 49:10
  That's why you work, you're supposed.
• 49:12
  To treat yourself. I just don't want people to
• 49:14
  think I'm all pumped. It's first class, but it's if
• 49:17
  you look at what we do. He's really Batman, ladies and
• 49:19
  gentlemen. It's the only, it's the only
• 49:22
  thing we do, really. Spoil ourselves that we should
• 49:24
  say so. We get off the.
• 49:26
  Plane obviously first class people go first so we're we're
• 49:29
  the 2nd row on the left of the plane and the front row right
• 49:35
  he's he's sitting there OK it's it's it's it's kid the one with
• 49:40
  the but he. Didn't have the big hair.
• 49:42
  It was. It was short.
• 49:43
  Short, right? Wouldn't expect him to at this.
• 49:46
  Point right, so he they get so we're basically three people
• 49:49
  behind him. Well, this this kid had got on
• 49:51
  the plane. As he was coming on the plane,
• 49:53
  he realized who he was and and so he reached over and and then,
• 49:56
  you know, kid was kind of a Dick.
• 49:58
  Because you could kind of tell he was just like, leave me the
• 50:00
  fuck alone. No offense kid, but it gets
• 50:03
  better. So we're walking down the the
• 50:06
  tarmac to get into the airport itself and that kid comes
• 50:09
  running up again and he's chirping, chirping at him.
• 50:12
  And you know, he says whatever back, you know, shakes his hand
• 50:15
  and off he goes. The kid goes so now we're going
• 50:18
  towards the luggage and he's 2 steps in front of me.
• 50:22
  So I kind of double step and I was like hey man, he kind of
• 50:26
  looks at me. We're walking.
• 50:27
  Mind you, I'm like, who are you? He's like what?
• 50:31
  I'm like, well, that kid made a point when he got on the plane
• 50:34
  and got off the plane to chase you down.
• 50:36
  So obviously you're someone and I said I'm sitting in first
• 50:41
  class across from you and behind you, but I'm not, I'm
• 50:43
  respectful. I'm not going to bug somebody on
• 50:44
  a plane. But I said, you know, we're
• 50:46
  walking now in a hallway. There's nobody else around but
• 50:48
  you, like you and my wife. You what?
• 50:51
  I say nobody else around but my. Fucking love this.
• 50:53
  Right, I said. So I just, I just want to know
• 50:56
  who you are. So he drops his name.
• 50:58
  Don't recognize his name. I was like and he and he, he
• 51:00
  does it in a Jamaican accent. Not fucking mine too, OK?
• 51:07
  He's not Jamaican, so I didn't recognize the name.
• 51:11
  And I saw that. I was like, huh, I don't
• 51:14
  recognize that name anything. What have you done that I would
• 51:16
  have known? And he goes, kid and play.
• 51:19
  I'm like, oh. Yeah.
• 51:22
  Right. And so, so here we go, we get.
• 51:25
  So then we kind of in the parting way to somehow that
• 51:28
  path, we went to different route to get to the baggage claim, OK.
• 51:32
  In baggers came I'm standing there with Nikki and all of a
• 51:34
  sudden fucking play comes up or kid comes up right next to me.
• 51:38
  His name is I think his name is Chris.
• 51:40
  So he. Comes right, So I kind of look
• 51:41
  at him. I'm like you stalking me, man.
• 51:44
  So I get a little smirk. I get one of these.
• 51:47
  OK, it gets better dude. Do you believe how fucking funny
• 51:51
  this shit gets? Do you?
• 51:51
  Understand why I loved hanging out with this guy.
• 51:53
  Lazy. You know, this was every day so.
• 51:58
  We get our luggage, he gets his luggage again, we're going
• 52:00
  different directions, right. He's probably got whatever car
• 52:02
  picking him up and we, I don't know if we Uber the taxi back
• 52:06
  then. So we go to the we get to the
• 52:08
  hotel, which is some random hotel in, in Washington.
• 52:11
  It's it's Halloween weekend, OK, And that's important to know
• 52:14
  this. So we're in the hotel, we're
• 52:17
  checking in, actually waiting in line to check in.
• 52:20
  OK, I guess. Who fucking walks in the door?
• 52:23
  Play. No, OK.
• 52:25
  Sorry, that was. So I turn and I see him and I'm
• 52:29
  like, I'm like, really, man? So now he's got a bigger smile
• 52:33
  on his face. I'm like, dude, we could've just
• 52:35
  shared the same car. Like we just both spent money on
• 52:39
  the rides man, come on. You got me with that one.
• 52:42
  So he's behind me now, in line, right?
• 52:45
  Guess who fucking comes out the elevator not 2 seconds later?
• 52:48
  Fucking play. So here we are.
• 52:51
  I'm going to go get it. I'm with kid and play in a
• 52:53
  Washington hotel. Hold on.
• 52:56
  We're going to get the photographic evidence, ladies
• 52:59
  and gentlemen. He's going to take the picture
• 53:01
  off the wall. Oh my God, that story just
• 53:03
  killed me. So if you grew up at the same
• 53:06
  time we did, this story is hilarious.
• 53:10
  So there we are this. Is that's awesome.
• 53:13
  This is who was on the plane. This is who?
• 53:15
  Bring it closer a little. Bit this is who I kept.
• 53:17
  Saying, hey man, you're stopping, why you?
• 53:20
  Why you stalking me, man? OK, so it gets better.
• 53:23
  OK. That's a great picture though,
• 53:25
  Right? So you didn't think it could get
• 53:26
  better? Right.
• 53:27
  It gets better. It gets better.
• 53:29
  The next night, because we got there like on a on a on a
• 53:33
  Friday, so or on a Thursday. So the next night, I think it's
• 53:36
  Friday night, Nikki and I go down after we eat dinner and
• 53:39
  stuff. We go down to the bar just to
• 53:40
  have just to hang out. You know, she gets a Michael
• 53:43
  Oboltro and I probably get a fake beer.
• 53:45
  Motherfucker sits down to seats away from me and so, and then so
• 53:53
  I'm at the bar, right? I got my little pencils and shit
• 53:56
  and I see the sit. I see the chair cannot sit.
• 53:58
  You're fucking killing me. And and then I put my hand on
• 54:01
  the bar and I kind of put my hand on the chair next to me.
• 54:04
  I was like, what's up, man? And he, he looks at me and you
• 54:08
  can see in his face he's like what the fuck again?
• 54:11
  I'm. Like you really got to stop
• 54:13
  stalking me, bro. Like it's getting a little
• 54:16
  weird. So now he's laughing and then
• 54:18
  now he starts kind of really we're engaging, you know, just
• 54:21
  kind of bullshit talking about nothing really.
• 54:23
  Like really, we're not talking about anything, not bringing up
• 54:25
  the movies and shit. You know, just why you guys
• 54:28
  here? Oh, we're running this marathon
• 54:29
  And like, why you're, oh, we're having, we're doing, we're
• 54:31
  playing a show. I'm like, that's cool.
• 54:34
  So even better. The next night is the 30th.
• 54:41
  OK, Saturday night in the hotel. Well, kidding.
• 54:46
  Play are playing Saturday night 33 levels above us because
• 54:51
  they're still playing. Yeah, they're, they're playing a
• 54:55
  show. Like everybody should know this.
• 54:58
  Playing a show for Halloween. Why all the marathon runners in
• 55:02
  the building are trying to fucking sleep.
• 55:05
  So all you hear all night are doors shutting, girls fucking
• 55:09
  running, people going up and down the elevators and shit,
• 55:12
  people coming in and out of the rooms loud as fuck because
• 55:16
  they're stoned, they're drunk, they're partying, kitten plays
• 55:19
  upstairs doing their concert shit it like in the ballroom or
• 55:23
  something they had at this hotel.
• 55:24
  It's just insane. So then I end up following him.
• 55:28
  I find him on. Somebody did not think this
• 55:29
  weekend through. No.
• 55:31
  So then I end up following him on Instagram and realized that
• 55:34
  same era of time, he's launching his own pot line.
• 55:39
  Yeah. Right, so so then I start
• 55:41
  following. Larry Bird.
• 55:43
  Yeah, so it was, it was, it was funny, man.
• 55:45
  It was just, it was cool that that we just naturally kept
• 55:49
  bumping into each other. And then by the time before the
• 55:52
  concert night, he like literally he just, he's fine.
• 55:55
  Like fuck it, I just got to talk.
• 55:56
  To this motherfucker. So rewinding all the way back to
• 55:59
  the beginning, I would hope that in some minuscule part of his
• 56:04
  fucking brain he realized that he's not as big as he once was
• 56:11
  by your initial inner. Well, and and I wasn't being
• 56:14
  like who the. Fuck are you?
• 56:16
  I know you're not like it and that's why it became.
• 56:22
  That's why it's. Funny.
• 56:23
  I'm going to say this, and it's why it's funny.
• 56:25
  But you have to know you on the level that I know you to have
• 56:31
  the reaction that I did. That's why I laughed so fucking
• 56:34
  hard, because you have one of the biggest hearts you will ever
• 56:37
  find in the world. Thank you.
• 56:39
  But you say I don't have any empathy.
• 56:42
  So I think the one thing that you and Scott both had in common
• 56:45
  is neither one of you had any empathy.
• 56:47
  So I've dealt with it in two different ways.
• 56:50
  Right. Yeah, Scott like to deal with it
• 56:53
  angrily a lot. For some reason, he never did
• 56:57
  that towards me. Maybe because he knew I didn't
• 56:59
  need it or that he could just break me in half if he wanted to
• 57:02
  because I'm not a willing participant, you know?
• 57:04
  I just don't like to fight. Yeah, I think he just had a a
• 57:08
  respect on a level. It's like it's not worth it, you
• 57:10
  know, probably. But I.
• 57:12
  Would I would say that, yeah. I always appreciated your lack
• 57:15
  of empathy versus his because I don't.
• 57:17
  I just don't like confrontation. Why?
• 57:19
  Why do we got to fucking yell and scream and argue about shit?
• 57:23
  You know, Why can't we just talk it out like human beings?
• 57:26
  Right. Agreed.
• 57:27
  So yeah. I I guess my point is that's
• 57:32
  what makes that story so funny, because people would want to
• 57:36
  take you as annoying. Yeah.
• 57:39
  In the beginning. But you grow on people like a
• 57:41
  fucking wart, sometimes just without them even realizing it,
• 57:45
  Right. And that's what happened to
• 57:46
  those dudes, you know? Yeah, Because you like to have
• 57:50
  fun. And I was thinking about this on
• 57:52
  the way home. That's what makes all this.
• 57:53
  We're both wearing a black fucking shirt.
• 57:55
  We don't plan this kind of stuff.
• 57:56
  And I was literally thinking on the way home.
• 57:58
  That's why I love talking to you.
• 58:00
  Because I went from, I didn't have a bad day, but I kind of
• 58:04
  had a blah, you know, it was just like any other day.
• 58:06
  And I ended up having the best laugh I've had all day just
• 58:09
  hearing that fucking story. And I know how they felt, you
• 58:14
  know, because sometimes when you don't want to laugh or you're
• 58:18
  having a bad day, there you are. That's all I'm saying.
• 58:24
  You're frozen. Uh oh.
• 58:27
  Oh. I'm back.
• 58:29
  OK, but I'm. I'm stable.
• 58:32
  I wonder why he's doing that. I'm on the right Internet, Yeah.
• 58:36
  You're here too. Yeah, but yeah, No, I get you.
• 58:40
  Yeah. And that's, yeah.
• 58:41
  I mean, like when I'm there's, there's other people I met when
• 58:44
  I was doing my radio show, like I met Steve O the Jackass thing.
• 58:49
  I he he was an odd person to meet.
• 58:53
  Because he just started his sobriety and I was working for
• 58:57
  this, this company that their whole thing was, was, was
• 59:00
  Rastafarian colors and shit and selling one joint at a time was
• 59:05
  their saying it was, it was the stupidest 6 months of my real
• 59:07
  estate career ever. And legit I was, I, I offered
• 59:12
  him a shirt. He looks like he's like, no, I
• 59:15
  just find out. No, I was like, can I ask why?
• 59:18
  He's like because I'm I'm that's not me man.
• 59:20
  It's you, you one joint at a time.
• 59:22
  That's not me. And then he told me because I
• 59:24
  didn't follow Jackass, he's like, you know, I've been sober
• 59:26
  for, you know, six months. I'm like, oh, good for you, man.
• 59:29
  And I was like, whatever, I listen, yeah, I'm like 12.
• 59:31
  Years sober. Listen, yeah.
• 59:33
  Here's why I would have fucked his world up.
• 59:37
  Nobody's sober from marijuana, you fucking pussy, right?
• 59:41
  You either smoke it or you don't smoke it.
• 59:43
  There's no Oh my God, I got. I have my weed, you know, unless
• 59:47
  you're fucking stupid. But I but we don't.
• 59:51
  Know because he wasn't an engaging personality that was
• 59:54
  going to give. He would, he did 3 hours on
• 59:56
  Rogan after long after. So that's cool that you actually
• 1:00:00
  talked to him when he was newly sober, because I think he had
• 1:00:03
  been sober for, well, what time frame would that have?
• 1:00:06
  Been it was. It was.
• 1:00:07
  My show was six years ago, so 2000.
• 1:00:10
  Well, wait, no, this is 25 now, so eighteen, 2018, I think.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah, so. 2017 2018 went March to March.
• 1:00:19
  He might have had like another year or two in when he finally
• 1:00:22
  agreed to go on and. Talk to Joe.
• 1:00:25
  Gotcha. And he did seem like he was
• 1:00:27
  pretty touchy about, you know, whether he was still hanging in
• 1:00:31
  there with it. He he was still sober.
• 1:00:33
  But you know, I think it you remember in the beginning it's
• 1:00:36
  touch and go for a long time. Well, and I think I think a lot
• 1:00:39
  of people too, because when, when, when somebody who's has
• 1:00:45
  various addictions, like we had Mike on our friend Mike, right
• 1:00:49
  and he had various levels of addiction.
• 1:00:51
  It wasn't just one thing. There was, there's, he kind of
• 1:00:54
  alluded to it, but we didn't go in detail.
• 1:00:56
  Right, I went through the same thing.
• 1:00:58
  So I think that potentially when when you're stepping out of that
• 1:01:01
  lifestyle because it that's what.
• 1:01:03
  It is Mike and I stories are eerily fucking similar.
• 1:01:05
  Right and it's a lifestyle like you're it's all-encompassing yes
• 1:01:09
  so and I and I'm kind of thinking that's how it was for
• 1:01:11
  Steve O don't know, making the assumption here, but that may
• 1:01:15
  have been his defense mechanism like I can't just do that
• 1:01:19
  because that will lead to that like like.
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  And I think he did, you know, now that you say that, it
• 1:01:24
  triggers my memory. And I do believe that he said
• 1:01:27
  almost exactly that when he was talking to like, if I get high
• 1:01:31
  with you guys then I'm going to be smoking crack on fucking 10th
• 1:01:34
  St. in LA or whatever. It's kind of, it's kind of like
• 1:01:37
  smoking cigarettes, right? When you go to the bar, if
• 1:01:39
  you're if you stop smoking cigarettes and then you go to
• 1:01:41
  the bar, what's the first thing you want to have?
• 1:01:44
  And there are people that, you know, that's why people say,
• 1:01:47
  well, marijuana is a gateway drug.
• 1:01:48
  I suppose it could be for some people.
• 1:01:52
  It's it's only a gateway if, if, if that's what they started
• 1:01:57
  with. So yeah, I, I think so.
• 1:01:59
  I don't. You and I both agreed that we
• 1:02:01
  don't think POTS a gateway drug. You know I don't.
• 1:02:03
  I mean, it could be introducing somebody to that euphoric
• 1:02:06
  feeling, but I only think those people that have deep rooted
• 1:02:11
  addiction issues are the ones that that it starts that way and
• 1:02:16
  then and that it opened the door.
• 1:02:18
  But I don't think it was a gateway.
• 1:02:19
  Well, and not to get too far away from that, that Steve O
• 1:02:22
  subject, his would be a reintroduction to a Radix
• 1:02:27
  lifestyle, right? That's what I had to be careful
• 1:02:30
  of is can I have just two or three beers or can I have just
• 1:02:37
  1/2 a joint, right, and be happy with it and not smoke it all day
• 1:02:40
  every day and have to want it and not really want it.
• 1:02:45
  But you know, for me, you hit the nail on the head.
• 1:02:47
  At one time, that was a lifestyle for me.
• 1:02:51
  I didn't go, I didn't go to work like everybody else, 9:00 to
• 1:02:53
  5:00. And I didn't have a job that
• 1:02:55
  demanded that I be there certain hours and do certain tasks.
• 1:02:59
  And it was like, you know, I had a skill set that nobody else had
• 1:03:03
  at that time. And I could come and go as I
• 1:03:05
  pleased and do what I wanted because there was like 5 people
• 1:03:08
  in the entire valley that could do what we did.
• 1:03:11
  You know, that all changed when the digital camera came out.
• 1:03:13
  But there was a time I had a skill set that was highly sought
• 1:03:16
  after. The people that owned the
• 1:03:18
  company didn't know how to run the machine that I did.
• 1:03:20
  So you kind of just do what you want at that point.
• 1:03:23
  So you're right, lifestyle is a good way to put.
• 1:03:28
  It yeah. Because you don't, you don't
• 1:03:29
  know, like, like when I stopped drinking, like and, and when
• 1:03:32
  Nikki realized that I was legit going to stop drinking, she
• 1:03:34
  stopped drinking Like there was no booze in our house, like at
• 1:03:39
  all. You know, now there, now there
• 1:03:40
  is because I'm 20 years into it, 20 plus years into it.
• 1:03:43
  So there's. There's a little 8 pack of baby
• 1:03:46
  fireballs in the outside fridge and I have no desire to touch
• 1:03:49
  them because that's, that's just, you know, that's not who I
• 1:03:52
  am. Right.
• 1:03:52
  I look at it on a deeper human level.
• 1:03:54
  I think it's cool that you allow her to be her own human being.
• 1:03:58
  And if she wants to do that on a Saturday night, right?
• 1:04:02
  You know she's entitled to do that because she wasn't an
• 1:04:04
  alcoholic, right? Exactly.
• 1:04:06
  To me, that's the ad verbal quality.
• 1:04:09
  You know, I I have said this on the podcast.
• 1:04:11
  I probably haven't said it in long enough.
• 1:04:13
  Before we ever started doing this, I asked you if it bothers
• 1:04:16
  you if I drank a beer while we were sitting here.
• 1:04:19
  He did and it doesn't. So nobody said anything about
• 1:04:22
  that in a long time. But you know, Joe said something
• 1:04:25
  about it when we were headed out to get food the other night.
• 1:04:27
  He said, man, like I feel like a Dick.
• 1:04:30
  And I said, why? He said, you know, I like to
• 1:04:33
  come over there and have a good time with you and you know, I'm
• 1:04:35
  sitting there drinking and Chris is talking about being fucking
• 1:04:38
  20 years sober. And I said, trust me brother,
• 1:04:41
  he's fine with it. I wouldn't let you sit there and
• 1:04:44
  do that in front of somebody who I love, you know, like a
• 1:04:47
  brother. That wouldn't happen.
• 1:04:49
  I would not embarrass you like that.
• 1:04:51
  I would not offend somebody I love like that.
• 1:04:54
  So, you know, we both got a laugh at it.
• 1:04:56
  But but that's the kind of guy that Joe is, you know?
• 1:04:59
  And that's cool. He felt bad about that.
• 1:05:01
  And he's like, I'm trying to have a good time.
• 1:05:03
  And this guy's telling me he's 20 years sober.
• 1:05:05
  And I'm like, fuck, man, I look like a Dick.
• 1:05:07
  I said no, not at all. I actually asked Chris before we
• 1:05:10
  started the podcast is, is this going to bother you?
• 1:05:13
  Because if it is, I won't do it. And you're like, hey, man, I've
• 1:05:18
  been sober 20 years, and I have to be around it.
• 1:05:20
  It's all around us. Yeah, that was the point you
• 1:05:23
  made. Yeah, and like Nikki and I go
• 1:05:25
  dancing Saturday nights most times and and denim and diamonds
• 1:05:29
  and it's a bar. It's a big bar.
• 1:05:30
  It's a dancing bar. We show up at about 6:15 because
• 1:05:33
  it's a free lesson from 6:30 to 7:30.
• 1:05:35
  We do that. We hang out, you know, and then
• 1:05:38
  we usually out by 9 because by 9:00 the crowd starts piling in.
• 1:05:43
  And then you have people that got there around 7:00 that are
• 1:05:45
  now two hours in the drinking. And then, you know, it's just
• 1:05:49
  kind of like, OK, it's time to go.
• 1:05:50
  And she respects that. She knows I have limit when we
• 1:05:53
  go to a bar for something, she knows I'm about two hours.
• 1:05:57
  And then that's kind of I'm reaching my point because people
• 1:06:00
  start getting stupid and then I start getting defensive because,
• 1:06:03
  you know, she's five, 215 lbs, you know what I mean?
• 1:06:06
  We're dancing on the floor and fucking she's getting.
• 1:06:08
  Elbowing and shit and that doesn't fly with me.
• 1:06:10
  You know, it's like we, we know how to do this country swing and
• 1:06:14
  you can legit do everything within, you know, a A4 foot
• 1:06:18
  square space, right? Like you don't have to leave
• 1:06:21
  that space. If you, if you know what you're
• 1:06:22
  doing, you're doing it properly. There's no reason in this little
• 1:06:26
  space I have on my desk right here that we could completely
• 1:06:30
  dance and do all the moves and shit we do without hitting
• 1:06:33
  anybody over there, over there, over there, over there.
• 1:06:35
  But there's some people that think that they fucking own the
• 1:06:38
  floor and they have to take, you know, enough space for five
• 1:06:41
  people. And it's like, and then they
• 1:06:43
  start when they rub it, when they when they she got fucking
• 1:06:46
  elbowed in the nose one night because this dude fucking spun
• 1:06:48
  his girl and and her elbow just went and and I'm like,
• 1:06:53
  motherfucker, like, you know, and I don't I don't I don't ever
• 1:06:58
  want to go to blows either. I've been in one fight my entire
• 1:07:01
  life. So people don't fuck them
• 1:07:03
  because how I look right, But I know I know how to defend myself
• 1:07:09
  if the situation presented myself because I went through an
• 1:07:11
  entire executive training program for like party guards
• 1:07:14
  and shit because they're like, why not?
• 1:07:15
  That's a cool thing to learn. So I you know, all kinds of shit
• 1:07:18
  I can do with just my hands with you don't even realize that all
• 1:07:20
  of a sudden I got you subdued in fucking 2 seconds.
• 1:07:24
  So it's it's that thing when they don't respect the space and
• 1:07:28
  then she ends up being a casualty.
• 1:07:30
  I'm like, I'm she knows I'm fucking out.
• 1:07:32
  Like we just, we have to leave because then my mood changes
• 1:07:35
  because it's then I'm, I'm trying when you dance with
• 1:07:39
  somebody the way you're supposed to dance with them, your, your
• 1:07:41
  eye contact the whole time because you're dancing with
• 1:07:43
  them. You're not dancing with the
• 1:07:46
  space there, the space there. So when people are doing these
• 1:07:48
  intricate moves and, and spins and stuff, as you turn, as you
• 1:07:52
  turn each other, you lock eyes and you go back and you lock
• 1:07:54
  eyes because it's all about movement.
• 1:07:56
  And you're basically, you're basically I fucking each other.
• 1:07:59
  So when I have to start, when I have to start watching dickhead
• 1:08:03
  over here and then this chick over here and this couple over
• 1:08:06
  there as I'm doing these things and it, it takes away from the
• 1:08:09
  element of the dance and what we're trying to accomplish by
• 1:08:11
  having fun and connecting, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:08:13
  So it's just like, OK, we got to go.
• 1:08:15
  It's. It's time to leave because it
• 1:08:17
  just. So am I to assume by the story
• 1:08:19
  that country dancing is still very popular?
• 1:08:22
  It is very popular. We, we it's.
• 1:08:27
  Here's the thing though there. Used to be a station years ago.
• 1:08:31
  You know, like I didn't have cable, so I only got so many
• 1:08:33
  stations. When I lived in Phoenix, right,
• 1:08:36
  There used to be a country station that was on that played
• 1:08:40
  some dancing show from Nashville.
• 1:08:44
  It was like simulcast or whatever.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah, So it was popular in the 90s, probably K and a extra
• 1:08:49
  camel country, one of the two, because that's only two country
• 1:08:51
  stations. Yeah, so now Sirius says prime
• 1:08:53
  country they do on Saturday nights.
• 1:08:55
  Because no, this was ATV station that had country dancing.
• 1:08:58
  Oh. OK, oh, maybe it was talking.
• 1:09:00
  About CMT or some. Shit, wild horse.
• 1:09:02
  Saloon. That's what it was.
• 1:09:03
  Yep, I know what you're talking. About and the only reason I
• 1:09:05
  watched it, I turned the volume off because they had good
• 1:09:07
  looking chicks Sure on it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:10
  Yeah. Same reason people watch Soul
• 1:09:11
  Train in the 70s. Or 80s, right?
• 1:09:14
  And it's the one cool thing about it.
• 1:09:16
  Good looking women is Oh yeah, when they do, when they do the
• 1:09:20
  line dancing, right. I don't stay on the floor for
• 1:09:22
  line dancing because line dancing is for women.
• 1:09:24
  Guys, women, line dance. Yeah, guys, look like.
• 1:09:28
  Men, you don't line dance, OK? Like we had somebody teaching.
• 1:09:31
  You can it all help it. Right.
• 1:09:33
  We had a dancing instructor who teaches these lessons every
• 1:09:36
  Saturday and it was like 200 bucks.
• 1:09:38
  You don't look cool. Yeah, to get us a dance lessons
• 1:09:41
  and he told us that because Nikki had asked about a line
• 1:09:43
  dance and he's like he looks at me, he's like you line dance.
• 1:09:45
  I'm like, no, he's like good because and he made.
• 1:09:47
  Very misogynistic comic that I'm not going to repeat, but men
• 1:09:51
  shouldn't line dance, right? For obvious reasons right now
• 1:09:55
  when the. Floor is full.
• 1:09:58
  When the floor is full, OK, whether it's it's 90% women and
• 1:10:02
  then you have some of the guys are trying to be cool, it's
• 1:10:05
  pretty bad ass when they're doing the line dance and they're
• 1:10:07
  all in unison. Like it's, it's, it's kind of
• 1:10:11
  like, it's kind of like a Pantera concert when you're
• 1:10:13
  walking and everybody's you know, or Metallica and
• 1:10:15
  everybody's doing. But when you're like legit this
• 1:10:18
  far away from the floor and you see 100 people on the stands
• 1:10:22
  floor, it's it's kind of cool. It's I won't be going to lie.
• 1:10:26
  I'm not going to go out and learn that shit because it's,
• 1:10:28
  I've turned it a couple of times.
• 1:10:29
  So I'm like, fuck this, this doesn't work for me.
• 1:10:32
  Guys don't do that. No, it's nice to watch Nikki do
• 1:10:34
  it because then she spends her eyes to your cute little ass and
• 1:10:37
  she's kicking her boots and stuff.
• 1:10:38
  You know, it's like. It's funny you bring that up
• 1:10:40
  because I don't even know where I recently saw it.
• 1:10:43
  My must YouTube video saw something I don't know but I was
• 1:10:47
  like guys should not line dance man that just does not look good
• 1:10:51
  at all. No line dancing.
• 1:10:56
  Your jeans are too tight and you're making motions that you
• 1:10:58
  just shouldn't make. Agreed, yeah.
• 1:11:01
  And and so I just, you know, there's there, I will say there
• 1:11:05
  are some men that show up at the enemy diamonds that they spent a
• 1:11:09
  lot of time. Learning all these line dances
• 1:11:12
  and they pull them off Florida State, but it's now come a
• 1:11:15
  couple of them because we know enough people there.
• 1:11:18
  We don't know that we know them. You know what I mean?
• 1:11:20
  Like, oh, that's country dance guy and.
• 1:11:23
  I'm not saying guys shouldn't dance, I'm saying guys shouldn't
• 1:11:26
  line dance. Right, I agree with you, but
• 1:11:28
  there's. Going to be a ballet guy, I'm
• 1:11:30
  fine with that, right? But there's a couple.
• 1:11:33
  So stupid. There's a, there's a, there's a.
• 1:11:36
  It does, but there's a couple. People off right now, I know
• 1:11:38
  that, but. It just, you know, controversy
• 1:11:41
  man sells tickets. But there's there's a couple of
• 1:11:44
  them that line dance, but they are instructors.
• 1:11:48
  They teach country dancing. So I can see why they're out
• 1:11:51
  there doing that, because they want to get the girls.
• 1:11:53
  Getting paid. Well, they're not getting paid,
• 1:11:56
  but they're, they're out there. No, they're out there to recruit
• 1:12:00
  people. That's how.
• 1:12:02
  OK. No, but this is how we decided
• 1:12:04
  taking line dance or taking dance lessons.
• 1:12:06
  Daniel. Daniel was the teacher.
• 1:12:09
  OK, Daniel was the teacher. Denim and diamonds, so he
• 1:12:13
  references. He's teaching more than line
• 1:12:15
  dancing. He doesn't teach line dancing.
• 1:12:17
  This is why I'm but this, this is where I'm going with it.
• 1:12:19
  OK, so so Daniel would say after after the.
• 1:12:22
  Night killing me. I want to like Daniel.
• 1:12:24
  Well, you are. I'm explaining it.
• 1:12:26
  OK, OK, so Daniel doesn't teach slang dancing.
• 1:12:30
  Daniel teach country swings. So one of the one of the fourth
• 1:12:33
  or fifth times we were there, I caught him saying after the
• 1:12:35
  lesson, hey, if you guys want one on ones, find me after, I'll
• 1:12:38
  be over here. So I went over that like, dude,
• 1:12:40
  you teach, you teach, you can teach us to dance better because
• 1:12:44
  Nikki loves to dance. He's like, yeah, I have private
• 1:12:47
  lessons that cost this much, you know, half an hour once a week
• 1:12:52
  for six weeks. Perfect.
• 1:12:53
  Sign us up. So we went and honed our skills
• 1:12:58
  and learned little tricks to the trade, like how to stand and how
• 1:13:00
  to move your feet and the whole eye concept thing.
• 1:13:03
  And then Nikki had asked about line dancing and that's where he
• 1:13:07
  looked at me. He's like, you line dance.
• 1:13:08
  I was like I said, I've tried a couple of times and he's like
• 1:13:11
  basically without. I don't remember exactly what he
• 1:13:13
  said like. You're a man, you're not a
• 1:13:16
  pussy. Don't go line dancing.
• 1:13:18
  I'm like, OK, I'm cool with that.
• 1:13:20
  We just, you know, and and. Couldn't agree with Daniel
• 1:13:24
  Moore. So, and Daniel's kind of an
• 1:13:27
  interesting character. He's he's, he's kind of an actor
• 1:13:30
  per SE. He's been on, he said he was on
• 1:13:32
  CSI Miami as a recurring, you know, extra.
• 1:13:35
  Cop role type thing and. Hasn't everybody?
• 1:13:38
  Right, He's he's he's I think he's he's a good funny.
• 1:13:42
  No, he's a good guy. And but he teaches every
• 1:13:44
  Saturday. That's one of his gigs.
• 1:13:45
  So while I was getting at it. So there's a couple other people
• 1:13:48
  that show up there that we've seen consistently enough that
• 1:13:52
  they're actual, they're country dancers.
• 1:13:55
  One guy's a it's a trip. He's a black guy, but the dude's
• 1:13:57
  fucking smooth as silk on everything he does.
• 1:14:01
  And when he's out there line dancing, no, and he's out there
• 1:14:04
  line dancing, it's like legit, he's just, it's amazing.
• 1:14:07
  So he's out there because he's recruiting people on the dance
• 1:14:11
  floor. Hey, you want to learn how to
• 1:14:13
  line dance and country swing? I teach lessons.
• 1:14:16
  Here's my card, right? It's no different than then, you
• 1:14:20
  know, somebody wanting going to a, you know, a convention
• 1:14:24
  selling their product behind a booth.
• 1:14:26
  He's just selling his product on the dance.
• 1:14:28
  Floor. So are you going to take dance
• 1:14:31
  lessons from somebody that you've never seen dance or.
• 1:14:34
  Are you going to? Take dance lessons from somebody
• 1:14:35
  who's out there. Like holy shit that dude's
• 1:14:37
  smooth. You're still proving my point.
• 1:14:40
  He's still getting paid on the end.
• 1:14:42
  Agreed. He is getting paid on the end.
• 1:14:43
  He's out. There's no different than you
• 1:14:45
  soliciting, right? Hey, I'm a real estate agent.
• 1:14:47
  If you want to sell or buy, I'm your guy, right?
• 1:14:49
  Right. Exactly.
• 1:14:50
  Yep, same concept. Same exact concept.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah. So there you go.
• 1:14:55
  I'm just trying to help him. I'm justifying why he gets to
• 1:14:59
  line dance and nobody else does. Daniel doesn't line dance the
• 1:15:02
  black. I know Daniel does.
• 1:15:03
  Yeah, he won't. I'm justifying why the other
• 1:15:06
  guys get to line dance and nobody else does.
• 1:15:09
  Because in the end, they're getting paid right dollars.
• 1:15:12
  It's part of their job. Well, Daniel's the only one
• 1:15:14
  that. Says men shouldn't line dance.
• 1:15:15
  There's other men that obviously think they should line dance
• 1:15:17
  because they're out there line. Dancing.
• 1:15:18
  I disagree. That's where I'm going with
• 1:15:20
  this. So if anybody wants to come on
• 1:15:22
  and debate us and tell me why you should get to line dance,
• 1:15:27
  I'm sure they're going to say because it's a free fucking
• 1:15:28
  country and you have a valid point.
• 1:15:30
  Right. It's a free country.
• 1:15:33
  All right, we're going to wrap this up.
• 1:15:35
  I got to get ready. OK, brother.
• 1:15:39
  This is this flew by. This was fast good.
• 1:15:41
  Times must have been fun. It was fun.
• 1:15:43
  What did we talk about? Music, man, I know music is us.
• 1:15:48
  You know, our favorite, our favorite topic of, of
• 1:15:50
  discussion. So I'm going to go check out,
• 1:15:51
  I'll check out the Guns and Roses thing tonight.
• 1:15:53
  I'll let you know what to think about.
• 1:15:54
  That yeah, I'm almost positive it's on Amazon Prime.
• 1:15:56
  OK, cool. Right on.
• 1:15:59
  As we always say, don't let the bad days win.
• 1:16:00
  Tomorrow is a better day. So if you're feeling distraught
• 1:16:02
  and depressed, you know Somebody Loves You.
• 1:16:04
  Somebody will miss you. So don't be that person that
• 1:16:06
  leaves a gap in somebody's soul. Because you left without talking
• 1:16:11
  to them and sharing your feelings and concerns.
• 1:16:13
  Somebody's always around to listen.
• 1:16:14
  So if you don't have somebody to do that, Google.
• 1:16:17
  Google to help. Google Machine.
• 1:16:19
  Absolutely, yeah. So thank you, thank, thanks to
• 1:16:23
  everybody who's out there listening and we appreciate all
• 1:16:26
  you. We wouldn't be doing this if
• 1:16:27
  everybody didn't keep listening. So I say it every time we
• 1:16:30
  release an episode. We appreciate you guys
• 1:16:32
  listening. We appreciate you sharing us and
• 1:16:34
  absolutely growing and doing it and doing better things.
• 1:16:37
  So thanks for being out there. Yep, nothing but love.
• 1:16:40
  People absolutely love you brother.
• 1:16:43
  Love you too man Peace, peace. Where you will go behind your
• 1:17:29
  eyes. Take a moment.
• 1:18:53
  Come down here, you haven't bounced out it and see yourself.
• 1:18:58
  You won't fight him. Wait for the dead.
• 1:19:04
  When? You're supposed to arrive and
• 1:19:05
  get put in the wind. You.
• 1:19:08
  Ain't no. Creature, we're playing fire and
• 1:19:12
  you, could you quit On the almighty day?
• 1:19:16
  You got a dream. Who is your life?
• 1:19:20
  To keep our soul in every man. Take your turn behind your eyes.
• 1:19:29
  Feel the soul revolution now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:19:39
  yeah, yeah. Take a moment.
• 1:19:43
  We can see you. See him.
• 1:19:46
  Put the bail in to you. More clear.
• 1:20:14
  You gotta, you gotta. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.