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US SERIAL RAPIST CLAIMING TO BE IRISH ORPHAN, FINALLY ADMITS IDENTITY, PLEA DEAL WITHDRAW · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a US citizen. Nicholas Rossi
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  Speaker 1: allegedly faked his own death to avoid jail, as now
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  Speaker 1: headed to trial after a plea deal has been withdrawn.
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  Speaker 1: Remember Nicholas Rossi who flees to England and Ireland and
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  Speaker 1: fakes an Irish brogue to change his identity. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: charged of raping a twenty one year old woman and
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  Speaker 1: a twenty six year old woman in Salt Lake the
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  Speaker 1: very same year. He denies all charges. The so called
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  Speaker 1: American Walter Midy fought extradition from the UK, is going
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  Speaker 1: on trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. That's right. The so called
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  Speaker 1: American Walter Midy, who desperately fought extradition from the UK
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  Speaker 1: home to the US is going on Prosecutors withdraw a
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  Speaker 1: plea deal in Utah. I recall it like it was yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and I guarantee you these are not the only two
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  Speaker 1: rapes that will be tied back to Nicholas Rossy. Who
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  Speaker 1: is this guy? Listen?
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  Speaker 2: Nicholas Alaverdian's obituary appeared on a memorial site called ever Loved.
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  Speaker 2: It detailed how the man who grew up in foster care,
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  Speaker 2: became a Harvard graduate and a vocal critic of Rhode
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  Speaker 2: Island's childcare system after suffering sexual abuse as a child.
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  Speaker 2: It also detailed how Alaverdian died of Hodgkins lymphoma at
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  Speaker 2: thirty two years old, leaving behind a wife and two
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  Speaker 2: young children who remained at his bedside as he died.
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  Speaker 2: According to his wife, his last words were fear not
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  Speaker 2: and run toward the bliss of the sun.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I say to take that in hold on.
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  Speaker 1: His last words were fear not and run toward the
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  Speaker 1: bliss of the sun. Hold on, fear not and run
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  Speaker 1: toward the bliss of the son. Well. When that O
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  Speaker 1: bit was published, immediately it was met with skepticism, including
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  Speaker 1: by one of his own foster moms. Contacted by Alvartian's
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  Speaker 1: biological mother. His own bio mother called the foster mom
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  Speaker 1: and goes, hey, read this O bit. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: he wrote it himself. Follow the bliss of the sun again.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just say my rear end. Well, mother knows
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  Speaker 1: best once again, doesn't she? So what more do we know?
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Dave Mackett crime online.
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  Speaker 3: Nicholas Alaverdian's death was a lie, an elaborate scheme created
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  Speaker 3: by Nicholas Rossi, a man charge who was sexually assaulting
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  Speaker 3: a former girlfriend in or A Mutah, as well as
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  Speaker 3: multiple complaints against him in Rhode Island for alleged domestic violence.
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  Speaker 3: Nicholas Alaverdian was born the eldest of three children. His father,
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  Speaker 3: who had convictions for domestic assault and selling cocaine, left
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  Speaker 3: the family three years later. According to The Providence Journal,
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  Speaker 3: Alaverdian's mother, Diana, married David Rossi, an Engelbert humperting impersonator.
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  Speaker 3: David Rossi, the stepfather, says at an early age, Nicholas
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  Speaker 3: would hit his mother, grandmother, siblings, and wouldn't listen in school.
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  Speaker 3: Ala Verdian was placed in psychiatric care where doctors diagnosed
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  Speaker 3: him with narcissistic personality disorder and attention deficit disorder. After
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  Speaker 3: being discharged from the treatment program, Alaverdian was returned to
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  Speaker 3: his family. Briefly, he created such conflict within the family
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  Speaker 3: home he was placed into the care of dcyf. As
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  Speaker 3: far as Alaverdian's claims of being a Harvard scholar, he
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  Speaker 3: did study comparative literature in an extension program class offered
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  Speaker 3: by Harvard University, but he did not graduate. He was
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  Speaker 3: administratively withdrawn from the course when the university learned of
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  Speaker 3: his sex vendor status. After faking his death, Alaverdian headed oversea.
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  Speaker 1: That's so much information I'm drinking from the fire hydrant.
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  Speaker 1: What I've written, first of all, to Jim White joining
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  Speaker 1: us out of Providence, Rhode Island, investigative reporter and managing
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  Speaker 1: editor w PRTV, that CBS affiliate, co author of The
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  Speaker 1: Last Good Heist and professor journalism Roger Williams University. Tim White,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, critical, who is the Engelbert Humper Dick impersonator.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that was his stepfather, whose name he adopted after
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  Speaker 4: his mother remarried at the time. I mean, as you
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  Speaker 4: could hear from his biography, he had an unconventional childhood
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  Speaker 4: I think to put it mildly and lightly, including the
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  Speaker 4: profession of his stepfather, and one in which he found
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  Speaker 4: himself in and out of the child welfare system here
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  Speaker 4: in Rhode Island, where he alleged physical and mental abuse
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  Speaker 4: while being under the state's custody.
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  Speaker 1: He's a liar, he is a narcissistic liar. So am
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  Speaker 1: I supposed to believe that did that really happen? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: But maybe not? And I do know this isn't it true,
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  Speaker 1: Jim White, that he would hit his mother and his grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: Of course his siblings, he misbehaved in school, but hitting
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  Speaker 1: your own mom and your grandma, right.
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  Speaker 4: That is what the stepfather alleged at the time, that
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  Speaker 4: he was a tough kid who would fly off the handle.
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  Speaker 4: And look, there is there are arrests for domestic violence
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  Speaker 4: here in Rhode Island, where he was. He pled no
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  Speaker 4: contest nolo contendre to charges that he was physical with
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  Speaker 4: a girlfriend in a suburb of Providence. So there's definitely
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  Speaker 4: allegations and there's also a conviction of being physically violent
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  Speaker 4: with people in his orbit.
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  Speaker 1: Tim White, can I just clarify when you say he
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  Speaker 1: was quote physical with a girlfriend, you mean he beat her?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Correct? Yeah? Okay? What about being a quote Harvard scholar.
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  Speaker 1: They kicked him out of the program, which I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to point out as an extension program, which means you're
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  Speaker 1: an extended distance away from the school. But they Harvard
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  Speaker 1: kicked him out when they found out he was a
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  Speaker 1: sex offender. Yeah, they did.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's clear from the evidence that he
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  Speaker 4: tried to exaggerate his resume when he was trying to
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  Speaker 4: particularly when he was trying to push his agenda here
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  Speaker 4: in Rhode Island with state lawmakers, a lot of them
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  Speaker 4: who bought the story that he was selling. He was
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  Speaker 4: trying to reform the state child welfare agency, and he
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  Speaker 4: would hold up this resume that he had that he
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  Speaker 4: was a Harvard scholar and all that that was obviously
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  Speaker 4: a lie. He didn't graduate from Harvard. He definitely pushed
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  Speaker 4: the envelope on that one. And I think you bring
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  Speaker 4: up an important question earlier. You wondered if the allegations
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  Speaker 4: he made against the state child welfare agency were even legit.
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  Speaker 4: Now that lawsuit was dismissed, and it was dismissed because
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  Speaker 4: as of many as you know, as many lawsuits are
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  Speaker 4: dismissed because they were settled, and I believe he had
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  Speaker 4: told family members it was settled for about seventy thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 4: not a big not a big number. But the child
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  Speaker 4: welfare agency denied any wrongdoing and set as part of
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  Speaker 4: the agreement in the settlement that they did not admit
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  Speaker 4: to any wrongdoing. So I think you're right to question
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  Speaker 4: whether or not the allegations he made against DCYF were
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  Speaker 4: actually legitimate considering what we know now.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure out how Nicholas al Vernion
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  Speaker 1: aka Nick Rossi ends up pretending to be an Irish
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  Speaker 1: orphan in Scotland when he's got a slew of rape
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  Speaker 1: allegations and violence allegations back in the US all the
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  Speaker 1: way to orem Utah. But first of all he had
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  Speaker 1: to register as a sex offender listen.
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  Speaker 2: Nicholas Alaverdian, using the name Rossi, was accused of assaulting
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  Speaker 2: a young woman he met at Sinclair Community College in Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: The two had lunch together.
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  Speaker 2: Alaverdian offered to walk the co ed to her next class,
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  Speaker 2: and she agreed. The co ed claims Alaverdian pinned her
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  Speaker 2: against a wall in a basement, groped her, and masturbated.
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  Speaker 2: Alaverdian apologized and asked the girl not to tell anybody.
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  Speaker 2: She made a police report, and Alaverdian aka Rossi, was
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  Speaker 2: convicted of public indecency and sexual imposition and was required
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  Speaker 2: to register as a sex offender.
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  Speaker 1: To Brett Brown, joining US Executive director of sasst GO
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  Speaker 1: Surviving Assault, Standing Strong to eradicate abuse, trafficking and violence
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  Speaker 1: against women, Brett, and thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: That's why a lot of women never go forward with
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  Speaker 1: rape or sex assault allegations. They almost universally somehow feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's in some way their fault. Like this young
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  Speaker 1: woman just twenty one was at Sinclair Community College and
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  Speaker 1: she allowed him to walk her to her next class. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure at some point felt well, that's my
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  Speaker 1: fault because I let them want me to class. It's
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  Speaker 1: not her fault. And I think it got off really
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  Speaker 1: lightly on that.
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  Speaker 6: I totally agree. We see women universally as survivors feeling
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  Speaker 6: obligated to be nice and to be kind, and when
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  Speaker 6: they do that and they are then abused or assaulted,
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  Speaker 6: they blame themselves because they feel like they gave them permission.
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  Speaker 1: To behave that way. And then if you are angry
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  Speaker 1: about it, then you're a quote man hater and you're
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  Speaker 1: frigid and you're cold because you don't like to be assaulted.
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  Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder, Brett Brown, if that was
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  Speaker 1: his demo at the time, how many other women never
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  Speaker 1: came forward?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, because what he did was brazen and while in
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  Speaker 6: a relatively private space in the building, in a public
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  Speaker 6: space during the day, he was very emboldened at this point.
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  Speaker 6: So I would think there are probably many women who
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  Speaker 6: have not come forward.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is, isn't this true, Brett Brown?
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  Speaker 1: Everyone would be very surprised to find out who that
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  Speaker 1: they know has been molested or sex assaulted and have
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  Speaker 1: never breathed a word of it.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, we see it all the time across the country.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace death faker Nicholas Rossy was
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  Speaker 1: sent back to the US after a very lengthy court
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  Speaker 1: battle where he claimed to be an Irish orphan named
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  Speaker 1: Arthur Knight who had never set foot in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Here in the US, he's accused of raping a twenty
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  Speaker 1: one year old woman and raping a twenty six year
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  Speaker 1: old woman in Salt Lake the very same year. He
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  Speaker 1: denies it all the Irish orphan living in Scotland who
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  Speaker 1: faked his own death, And then as bio mom reads
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  Speaker 1: his obit and goes, uh, uh, he's not dead. He
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  Speaker 1: wrote this. I guarantee you he wrote this. You know
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  Speaker 1: that reminds me of let me go out to Greg
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  Speaker 1: Algren joining us out of Laredo, international lawyer at disruis
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Greg, do you remember, of course you do,
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  Speaker 1: the unibomber who wrote the huge manifesto thousands and thousands
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  Speaker 1: of words and insisted that it be published. I guess
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  Speaker 1: it was in the New York Times and his brother
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  Speaker 1: read it and went, wait, that's take as Insky. That's
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  Speaker 1: my brother. I know who wrote that, and his own
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous manifesto gave a way that he's a unibomber and
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  Speaker 1: his take is Insky.
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  Speaker 7: I see some parallels for sure.
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  Speaker 1: This guy writes his oh bit it is biommeos. I
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  Speaker 1: know he ain't dead, He's alive.
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  Speaker 5: Shocking.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it that so often criminals give themselves away
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  Speaker 1: in this manner.
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  Speaker 7: It's that narcissistic, tension seeking personality they have.
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  Speaker 8: It's their fatal weakness.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Greg Augrin, are you a psychologist as well as
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  Speaker 1: a lawyer, because I hear you throwing around psychological disorders?
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  Speaker 7: Are you?
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  Speaker 1: No? I'm not either, But I know what narcissism means
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  Speaker 1: because I actually had to teach well, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: teach Greek and Roman mythology while I was waiting to
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  Speaker 1: find out if I was going to get into law school.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone knows about narcissus, but we just so happened
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  Speaker 1: to have a forensic psychologist with us, author of Dark Sides,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Kalshewski, Doctor Jeff, what is a narcissist? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know Greg Augrin is correct, but explain that narcissus
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  Speaker 1: saw his image in a pool of water, fell in
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  Speaker 1: love with himself, didn't notice anything else around him, anything
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  Speaker 1: or anyone, and finally was trying to get to himself
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  Speaker 1: and fell in the water and died.
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  Speaker 9: Wow, we only have an hour to talk about narcissism.
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  Speaker 9: Crime hit me and hit me hard on ROSSI Oh boy,
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  Speaker 9: So again, how many times do we talk about some
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  Speaker 9: of these criminals, and particularly when we do programs on
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  Speaker 9: murderers where narcissism ends up being the flaw that trips
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  Speaker 9: them up again, we could talk about this for days.
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  Speaker 9: I need to put a video on my YouTube channel
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  Speaker 9: on forensic psychology about narcissism and murders. Because narcissists think
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  Speaker 9: that they're more brilliant than anyone else. Narcissists believe that
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  Speaker 9: what they do is right, and they have typically absolutely
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  Speaker 9: no insight into what they're doing others may judge as inappropriate, wrong,
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  Speaker 9: or that they might get caught. They are the center
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  Speaker 9: of the universe and what they do is right, and
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  Speaker 9: that the world does not appreciate that and actually sanctions
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  Speaker 9: them arrests them is just unfathomable. You know, in the
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  Speaker 9: early days, when they began to write about narcissism in
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  Speaker 9: the psychiatric literature, they they actually initially called it a
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  Speaker 9: psychosis because the people that were writing about just could
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  Speaker 9: not believe that people who were so narcissistic didn't even
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  Speaker 9: recognize that their ideas about themselves in the world were
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  Speaker 9: flawed and they were really not consistent with the reality
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  Speaker 9: around them, So they started to talk about it initially
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  Speaker 9: as a psychosis.
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  Speaker 1: You know who I think was a narcissist is a narcissist,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Kalischewski. And I almost hate to bring his name up,
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  Speaker 1: but he's the poster boy for so many things that
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  Speaker 1: are all wrong. Scott Peterson, Oh, yeah, did you know
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say that, because I mean, granted,
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  Speaker 1: some people, not me, of course, think he's attractive. I
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  Speaker 1: think he looks like the devil. But that said, he
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  Speaker 1: has this beautiful wife Lacey. She's expecting their first baby
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  Speaker 1: around Christmas, so he naturally goes and has sex affairs,
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  Speaker 1: not just one, but many, and then lies about it,
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  Speaker 1: kills her, and tries to pretend that he was in
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  Speaker 1: Brussels and no, it was Paris, France on New Year's
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  Speaker 1: Eve with his friend Pierre and Jacques. Yeah, and the lying.
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  Speaker 1: And when he went on the run after dyeing his
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  Speaker 1: hair blonde, that's certainly not a felony. He had a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of I think it was condoms in viagra. He
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  Speaker 1: needed that to go on the run. I mean, everything
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  Speaker 1: was about him and what would suit him and his desires,
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  Speaker 1: and it cost the life of Lacy and her unborn child.
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  Speaker 1: Connor would that be indicative of narcissism, Doctor Jeff Kelschewski.
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  Speaker 9: Right, narcissism and lying. So narcissists, they in a sense
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  Speaker 9: believe their own lives, and they can't even fathom the
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  Speaker 9: idea that other people would not believe their lives. How
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  Speaker 9: many times have we looked at these cases and these
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  Speaker 9: allies are just so egregious and so odd that any
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  Speaker 9: rational person would know their lives. But to the narcissist,
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  Speaker 9: they can't even fathom the idea that you would think
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  Speaker 9: they're lying.
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  Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare you not believe I'm an
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  Speaker 1: Irish orphan, not a sex predator, even though my DNA
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  Speaker 1: matches up to a rank kid. But that said, let's
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  Speaker 1: plow forward. I mean an Irish orphan, as I always
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  Speaker 1: like to say, being part Irish. If you're lucky enough
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  Speaker 1: to be Irish, you lucky enough. But this guy is
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  Speaker 1: neither an orphan nor Irish, and he ends up in
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  Speaker 1: Scotland under a different name, adamantly denying that he is
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  Speaker 1: Nicholas Alverdian. Okay, let me get us back on t
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  Speaker 1: track after leading you out in the weeds, take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to this.
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  Speaker 10: Two years later, police are called to an apartment in
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  Speaker 10: Rhode Island by the friend of a woman involved in
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  Speaker 10: a relationship with Nicholas Alaverdian. When police arrive, they hear
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  Speaker 10: arguing and screaming. When the woman comes to the door,
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  Speaker 10: she has marks on her face and neck and left eye,
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  Speaker 10: and her right eye is swelling. The woman tells police
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  Speaker 10: she and Olivertian were arguing and when she tried to leave,
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  Speaker 10: he slapped her in the face. Police arrest Olivertian, who
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  Speaker 10: proclaims his innocence and begins banging his head on the
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  Speaker 10: bars in the back of the squad car. Officers have
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  Speaker 10: to use pepper spray to make him stop trying to
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  Speaker 10: hurt himself. Alivertian pleads no contest to domestic simple assault.
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  Speaker 1: You know, anybody on this panel please jump in. But
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  Speaker 1: let's see Tim White, do you have children?
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  Speaker 4: I do.
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  Speaker 1: Has one ever thrown a fit? You know on TV?
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  Speaker 1: You see them lying in the floor and their tommy
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  Speaker 1: kicking and screaming. You ever seen that? Has any of
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  Speaker 1: your children ever had a fit?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're keen now, But when they were toddlers that yeah,
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  Speaker 4: sure that would happen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well whenever. They didn't do it very often, but
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  Speaker 1: the very few times, I think, maybe only once, each
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  Speaker 1: one of them had a quote fit as we call
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  Speaker 1: it down South. And I didn't spank them with yell
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  Speaker 1: of them. I just stood there and watched them. With Lucy,
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  Speaker 1: I actually started laughing because when she finished her fit
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  Speaker 1: in the floor, she poked her lips out like you would.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen lips poke out that far, as my
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  Speaker 1: grandmother would say, you're poking your lips out so far,
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  Speaker 1: I could plan a road with turnips on him. Yeah. So,
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  Speaker 1: and that set me into laughter, which you're not supposed
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  Speaker 1: to do when a child throws a fit, because that
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  Speaker 1: infuriates them further to be laughed at. But this is
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  Speaker 1: what he's doing. He gets in the back. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: he has an argument with the friend of the woman
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  Speaker 1: that he's dating because she's not agreeing with everything he says,
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  Speaker 1: and he beats her. He beats her, and then when
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  Speaker 1: police show up and put him in the squad car,
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  Speaker 1: he throws a fit and starts banging his head. I
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  Speaker 1: think I would have just let him bang his head
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  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, but they stopped him with pepper spray,
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  Speaker 1: and he pleads, this is what I hate, Tim White,
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  Speaker 1: No contest, as you said earlier, nolo contender to that.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, I didn't I'm not saying I did it,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying I didn't do it. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: not contesting it, and I'll take my punishment. And so
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  Speaker 1: remember what's critical to me right here, Tim White, is
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  Speaker 1: this is two years after he pushes this woman against
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  Speaker 1: the wall in the basement, gropes her private pars and
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  Speaker 1: in masturbates class all the way. Keep it classy, Rassi.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's beating up a woman who is known to
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  Speaker 1: him just two years later. I don't know what he's
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  Speaker 1: done in the meantime, but now there's that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Look, he had a pattern of we know, violent behavior,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: particularly against women, and at the time that that arrest happened,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: we now know there were other allegations against him. I'm
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: sure you'll get to in Utah. And just to bring
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: up something you said earlier, he made the rape correct, well,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: two rapes in Utah, and then there was you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: of course the sexual assault you already talked about in Ohio,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: but court documents that were unsealed in Utah now giving
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: us a lens into other allegations that had happened in
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: four other states. We already talked about Ohio, Utah, Massachusetts,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Rhode Island of you know, people accusing him of a
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: pattern of sexual assault, and in the court documents that
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: even talked about kidnapping. So those haven't been adjudicated. There
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: are two charges out of Utah, there's a conviction out
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: of Ohio. You talk about the conviction in Patucket, but
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: clearly investigators are looking at other allegations that are happening.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: And there's even one in we didn't even talk about
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: the one in the UK. They were investigating an allegation
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: of sexual assault.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I now realize I've got to make
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: a list. Okay, Tim White, I'm going to have to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: make a list. Okay, We've got a right allegation in UK,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: We've got Utah or Utah, we have Pawtucket. Okay, what else?
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: So you have the conviction in Ohio that you talked
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: about quite a bit, And there are two charges out
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: of Utah, one out of Utah County in one out
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: of Salt Lake City County.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And we're learning that a woman has just come forward
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: claiming that two years earlier she was assaulted by Alvertian
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: aka Nick Rossi, the Irish orphan, when she was just eighteen.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But hold on, let's plow forward because I can't wait
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to get to him claiming he's an Irish orphan in
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Scotland and pretending he's not Alvertian. So he's got the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: masturbating on the woman. Now he's got the beating of
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the girlfriend's friend and showing out in the cop car.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: But somehow he managed to get a wife, okay, listen.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Nicholas Olivertian married in November of twenty ten. His wife
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: filed for divorce six months later and filed a police
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: report saying she had a restraining order against him, but
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Olivertian wouldn't leave her alone and repeatedly called her police
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: initiate an arrest warrant for violation of a protection order.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Olivertian's second marriage lasted one month longer than his first,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: with his second wife filing for divorce after seven months.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: A temporary restraining order against Olavertian is put in place,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: but at court rules, he violated it when he took
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: all the household items and furnishings out of the marital residence.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: The Providence General reported Alaverdian owed his ex wife fifty
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: two thousand dollars what a.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Horse's rear end. There's a lot of other Latin phrases
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: for that, like jack. But not only does he be
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the woman, it's his second wife to follow tro against him.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: But then he takes all the furniture and high household
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: items when he leaves. He's like take that. He takes
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: all the stuff after he scares the woman out of
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: her skin. I mean, it never ends with this guy. Hey,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Docter Jeff Kalshewski. So many crimes result from a tumultuous relationship,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and the parties always blame each other when you have
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: so many people pointing the finger at you, as I
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: love to argue, the jury's all these women are lying
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and Alverdi is the only one telling the truth. He's
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: got two wives, one foster divorce after six months, one
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: after seven months, staying power. You've got women claiming rape, assault,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: masturbating on them what they're all lying except for him,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff Kelschewski.
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: Right again, we're talking about this whole narcissistic aspect of
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: this person. We're talking about likely a personality disorder. And
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: they actually again they sort of believe their own lives
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: and the mass conspiracy of all these women from all
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: old I no.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, look, I know you're educated in this and I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: am totally ignorant, but let me just go ahead and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: argue with you anyway. I think he knows he's lying.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think he believes it's for one minute. I
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: think his front is that he's angry other people won't
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: believe his lies because he's got all his bases covered.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Like oj Simpson, what I think, Yeah, I.
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: Think you're out of something. He might he might know
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: he's lying, And again, like you said, be angry that
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: other people can't accept what he says is believed, even
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: if he knows it's a lie himself.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So here he goes. He's also a deadbeat not paying
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the Why that he owes all that money to you
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: for stealing the furniture, He just skips town. He leaves
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Ohio and moves to your jurisdiction, Tim White, Rhode Island.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But the beat goes on. Take a listen to Sidney
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Sumner Crime Online.
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: In twenty seventeen, the Bureau of Justice Assistance the BGA
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: awarded the Commission on Criminal and Juvenile Justice over two
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: million dollars for Utah to process the backlog of untested
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: sexual assault kits in the state. In twenty eighteen, one
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: of the Utah kits that was originally filed in two
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: thousand and eight was tested and matched Nicholas Olivertian's DNA
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: from the two thousand and eight Ohio sexual assault case.
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: A sealed arrest warrant was issued in September twenty twenty
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: for Nicholas Rossi Aliverdian, But that's not all the police
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: were looking at him for. The FBI was investigating him
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: for fraud. One of Alavertian's foster parents, Sharon Lane, notified
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: authorities that Alaverdian opened up twenty two different credit cards
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: in her husband's name and ring up nearly two hundred
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: thousand dollars in debt.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: What is it with this guy? What about it? Tim? What?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of money? Two hundred thousand dollars in
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: debt afterly opens up credit cards with somebody else's name.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of money. I mean, look, he
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: is and that's not the only one you've already touched
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: on another in which he allegedly owed in exife fifty
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: two thousand dollars. There's been other allegations of financial fraud
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: by Rossi or Alaverdian, whatever name you want to choose,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: that he goes by at the time. And look, I
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: think it all feeds to what doctor Jeff was talking
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: about earlier in the program, sort of this narcissism that
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: it's him against the world, He's the victim in all
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: these cases. That's the type of image that he has
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: always portrayed when he again thrust himself into the spotlight
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: here in Rhode Island to accuse the child welfare agency
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: of wrongdoing over all that time, and we saw it
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: firsthand as reporters when he allegedly died, the news agencies
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: weren't running the oh bit because there's old saying in journalism, Nancy,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: if your mother says she loves you, check it out.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: And this was something that you have to do when
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: you're looking into the allegation that this semi high profile
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: figure in this market had died. And we started getting
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: very angry emails from someone claiming to be his wife,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: saying that we're dishonoring his memory by not blah blah blah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: And it's clear to us now that that was more
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: likely than not Alabertian emailing us.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Directly pretending to be the wife. I mean, this guy,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, and very shortly, I'm going to bring
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you on a special guest. Or Brandt, who travels the world,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: is basically a bounty hunter. He doesn't like that term,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: but he's with the US Marshall Service senior inspector and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: he can tell you anything you want to know about
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: bringing people just like Nick Rossi aka Alavertian home. Now, okay,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: we dropped off with me. There's so many places to
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: drop off. He just charged the quarter million dollars on
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: one of his foster mom's husband's credit card. Thanks mom,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: But that's not really the worst of it. Listen to
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Nicole Parton at Crime Stories.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, Alavertian continued his sex assault ways. He
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: met a twenty six year old woman online identified only
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: as the initials MS. They dated for two months.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: She loaned him money, but he didn't pay it back.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: MS says he locked her in the bedroom, forced himself
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: on top of her, and raped her. Utah authorities now
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: say Alaverdian also raped his twenty one year old former
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: girlfriend in Orum, Utah in the same year with the
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: same method. He promised to repay money, lured the woman,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: who has not been named by authorities back to his
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: apartment and raped her.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Similar actually not similar fingerprint crimes, same modus operandim method
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: of operation. And I find it really interesting. And I'm
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: sure that Greg Algrin, high profile lawyer joining us out
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of Laredo, we'll want to weigh in on this. Earlier
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: we heard from investigator reporter Sidney Sumner that the Justice
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Bureau awarded two million dollars to process old rape kits.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: There were just on the shelf and there wasn't enough
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: time or money to process them all to catch the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: purpse with DNA. It reminds me of Eliza Fletcher, the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Memphis mom who went out jogging early in the morning.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: She was raped and murdered by a rapist Kleiotha Abstin.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And in that case, there was a rape kit just
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: sitting on the shelf. It had not been analyzed. Everybody
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: blames the crime lab, but the crime lab can only
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: work X number of hours. They need more people and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: more money to keep up with all the rape kits
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and the crimes. But instead we're spending the taxpayers money
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: doing so many other things. That's a whole other can
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: of worms. But if Kleiotha Abston had been behind bars
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: as he should have been on a rape then Eliza
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Fletcher would be alive with her children right now. But no,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the good news out of this is because of that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: two million dollar grant, this guy Nick Rossi aka Alaverdian's
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: DNA pops up. He is the rapist. According to diox Saravo,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Niklake ascid. In the meantime, We've got two more sex
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: assault victims, rape victims, same m O. But then what happens?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Dave mac.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: The death of Nicholas Olivertian was met with skepticism by
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: those in law enforcement, and in July of twenty twenty,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: the Rhode Island State Police opened an investigation. As the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: investigation began, Olivertian's foster mother, Sharon Lane, said she was
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: contacted by Aliverdian's biological mother who asked her to check
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: out the obituary. The minute Sharon Lane read the obituary
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: with all of the adulatory comments, she believed he was
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: written by Olivertian himself and that he faked his death.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Utah authorities continued investigating the first rape allegation against Nicholas
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Olivertian and issued a warrant for his arrest. Months after
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: he supposedly died.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Nicholas Rossi appeared via prison
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: video link. Now set for trial in the Salt Lake
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: County case in April the Oram case in September. Rossi,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: whose legal name is actually Nicholas Alaverdian has used multiple aliases,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: of course, the one claiming he's an Irish orphan named
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Arthur Knight. Dear Gravey, it never ends with this guy.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Rossi actually grew up in foster homes in Rhode Island
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and he returned to Rhode Island before faking his death
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and fleeing the US. An obituary was published online claiming
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: he died of late stage non Hodgkins lymphoma. OH. At
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the time, his former foster family doubted he really died.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Then he was arrested in Scotland after he was recognized
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: at the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital in Glasgow. He was
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: there getting treated for COVID nineteen. What more do we
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: know about the alleged rapes? Erv Brant, Senior Inspector, US
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Marshall Service International Investigations, Chief Inspector DOJ, Office of International Affairs,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: author of Solo Shot, Curse of the Bluestone and Flying Solo,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Top of the World. It's about His books are about
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: this character, the swashbuckling character Jack Solo, who has a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: striking similarity to Erv Brandt. So RV Brandt. It's not
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: good when seven months after you quote Die that an
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: arrestaurant is issued for you.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: No, Nancy, it's not good. A very good investigation by
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: multiple jurisdictions and that led to finding Aliverdian in Scotland.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: And it's really amazing the way that they find him.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to Sidney Sumner
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Crime online.
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: As investigators were looking for Nicholas Alavertian and Nicholas Rossi
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: in the United States, a man named Arthur Knight was
• 34:21
  Speaker 10: being treated for COVID nineteen at Queen Elizabeth University Hospital
• 34:25
  Speaker 10: in Glasglow.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: He had been living a happy new life.
• 34:28
  Speaker 10: Married a woman named Miranda, and he worked as a tutor,
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: but then he suffered a serious case of numanitis caused
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: by COVID nineteen. Someone recognized him through his distinctive tattoos.
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: They were a match to those from a Pawtucket police
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: booking photo of him. In December twenty twenty one, they
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: arrested the convicted sex offender in the Glasglow hospital, where
• 34:46
  Speaker 10: he lay critically ill. With COVID authority say Knight was
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: just one of Aliverdian's sixteen known aliases, which include Nicholas Rossi,
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: Nicholas Brown, Arthur Brown, and Arthur Knight Brown. He was
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: identified through fingerprints and DNA, as well as an analysis
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: of his distinctive tattoos.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, to you, Tim White, joining us from w p
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: R I t V. What is the distinctive tattoo?
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Well, actually, I was looking at some of those pictures
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: just getting ready for this interview, and he has some
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: tattoos on his arm that you know, I'm going to
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: call up some of the pictures here, so I going
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: to describe him. But he had tattoos on his arms
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: that you know, they're they're very distinct.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm looking at them. It looks like
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: some kind of a bizarre coat of arms with the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: sun coming up over the coat of arms and giant wings,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I mean they go. It's almost a full sleeve. And
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: on the other arm it looks something like a navy anchor.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: He's covered.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: The anchor is a symbol of Rhode Island. It's on
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: our state flag.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Here.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: I suspect that's probably White. He has an on there.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Oh Okay, Now, of course, with all of these distinctive tattoos,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that's one way to put it. And sixteen known aliases.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Of course, Greg Augrin, high profile lawyer out of loreto.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I love nothing more when the prosecutor reads the indictment
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to the jury and reads off the witnesses to make
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: sure none of them are related or know the witnesses.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I love it when the whole front page of the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: indictment is a listing of the defendants aliases aka Alverdian
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: aka Nicholas Brown aka Author Brown aka author Knight. I mean,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: because nobody on the jury is going to have an alias,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: just a defendant.
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a very prejudicial Obviously, this guy is a
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: serial con man, experienced criminal.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: It gives a jury a horrible impression, but it's true.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And you have to read off all the eliases to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the jury in case they know him under some fake name.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: So it's a necessity of the law. But when ladies,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: when you meet a guy that a wants money in
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: b has an alias, and I'll just throw this in
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: there has a second cell phone, run for the hills
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: as if you had seen a monster. So to you,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: irv Brant, how did they track this guy down? And
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: of course he wouldn't waive extradition. He insisted he was
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: an Irish orphan and challenged authorities to prove he wasn't.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: So how do you tackle something like that?
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Or brant Well, Nincia. It's in the UK. It's very complicated.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: They have an extensive appeals system.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Just a second, anywhere the lawyers have to wear, including women,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a white wig on their head. I would say, it's complicated,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: but go ahead.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Okay, you're right it is. And he maintained the whole
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: time that authorities had the wrong individual, even though he
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: was confronted with DNA evidence, fingerprints, the distinctive tattoos. His
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: defense was always that's not me. So he contested the
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: identity part of the extradition all the way through the
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: appeal process, until finally the Crown decided that it is
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: indeed the same person wanted in the United States, and
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: the Crown issued a surrender warrant to the Office of
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: International Affairs in the US Marshal Service conducted the extradition.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: How are they typically brought back from overseas.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Well, Typically they would be brought back on a commercial flight.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I mean with paying customers like myself and my children.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know this guy sitting behind me.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Well, the marshals would take up a whole role, and
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: they would take the last row and the do.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Ever say snakes on a plane?
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: Man?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Think about it, right.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: The marshals would either normally go be the first one
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: insta board and they would take him to the very
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: last row and there would be marshals on both sides
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: of them, and he wouldn't be allowed to get up
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: during the flight. But in a case like this, this
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: lunatic is not going to get on a commercial flight.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: He's going to fake a medical emergency. The flight crew
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: would not let him on the flight. So what the
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Marshall Service did, and this is typical of cases of
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: this nature, is they would charter a flight and in
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: the charter, in the bid for the charter, the flight
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: crew would have medical personnel and then also the Marshall
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: Service have deputies trained EMTs that they would put on
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: that extradition to bring him back and they would fly
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: him from the UK to the East Coast to the
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: United States, normally someplace like bangor Maine to go through
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: CBP where they would file the parole letter to get
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: him back into the country Custom Border Protection. It's going
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: through immigration, is what I'm saying.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I see why bangor well the.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Jets that they would we're going to have to refuel
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: after a trans atlantic flight. Bangor is one of the
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: closest you go further up the East Coast instead of
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: New York or someplace, or you know, Atlanta, one of
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: those international airports. You go as far north as you
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: can because it's the shortest route to the United Kingdom.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So wait a minute. He faked an ailment and tried
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: not to get on the plane.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Well, he faked ailments in the past and court appearances.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: He'd faked illnesses, and the Marshall Service knows this. Know
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: trying to put him on a commercial flight would be
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: a waste of time because when they brought him to
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: the gateway, he's gone to fake an illness and the
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: flight crew won't let him on the flight. So to
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: get around that, they were charted the flight fly to
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  Speaker 5: the East Coast.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe my taxpayer's money is going to fly
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: this guy. How I'm on a charter flight, But I'd
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: rather do that than have him on a plane with
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: children and innocent, innocent civilians. This guy shot to fame.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I'll just call him Nick Rossi, although that's certainly not
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: his name. After he wildly gestured when he insisted he
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: was innocent, so much so that he fogged up his
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: own glasses. So Greg Algrin, international lawyer, joining US out
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  Speaker 1: of Texas. How do you fight extradition when DNA not
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: just fingerprints, but DNA also proves it's you not an
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Irish orphan living in Scotland, you're a rapist in multiple
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  Speaker 1: US jurisdictions.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's difficult. So it seems like there's no question
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  Speaker 7: here as the individual they're looking for. I mean there
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: are obviously, you know, there are technicalities that have to
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: be followed, procedural formalities.
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  Speaker 8: And so if you were defense counsel in an extradition matter,
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: you know, you would argue that the different due process
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: protocols hadn't been complied with. You could also argue that
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: there was a discrepancy in the criminal law systems between
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: the two different jurisdictions that made the crimes incompatible.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I'm looking right now at Nicholas Rossi, Nicholas Rossi with
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: air quotes, insisting that he cannot breathe properly or walk,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and he has now put an oxygen mask on his
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: face and he is actually fogging up his classes as
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: he vhemently denies being Alverdian and his wife on video
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  Speaker 1: overpowers him and forces him to sit back down because
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: he is so ill, all bets are off. The latest
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: blow for an alleged rapist who faked his own death
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: and fled the country. US fusionive Nicholas Rossi set to
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: go on trial for allegedly faking his own death and
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: fleeing the country to avoid rape charges. The plea deal
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: is withdrawn. Currently facing two rate charges in the US.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Extradited from Scotland following a very lengthy process where he
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: claimed to be an Irish orphan. Remember he's facing those
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: sex assault charges in Rhode Island, Ohio and Massachusetts. I
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: can tell you this, fingerprints don't lie. His fingerprints matched.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Nicholas Rossi sought by police for multiple crimes but reported dead.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: US fugitive Nicholas Rossi set for trial after allegedly faking
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: his own death, fleeing the country to avoid rape charges,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and having his plead negotiation withdrawn. Gee, I wonder why
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: we wait? As justice and false goodbye