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Judge Slams the Brakes on Trump’s Plan to Gut USAID as Musk Cheers the ‘Wood Chipper’ · Elon Musk Podcast

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  Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Elon Musk
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  Podcast. This is a show where we discuss
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  the critical crossroads that shape SpaceX, Tesla X, The
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  Boring Company, and Neurolink. I'm your host, Will Walden.
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  So why is the Trump administration trying to put
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  thousands of USAID employees on leave?
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  And what did the judge say about the legality of that move?
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  And how do Trump and Elon Musk justify their push to dismantle
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  the whole agency now? A federal judge on Friday
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  temporarily blocked the Trump administration from proceeding
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  with a plan to place roughly 2200 employees at the US Agency
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  for International Development, or US Aid on administrative
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  leave. The order, issued by Judge Carl
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  Nichols in US District Court in Washington, DC, came in response
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  to a lawsuit filed by two federal employee unions that
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  argued the move was unconstitutional and also
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  illegal. Now, the Trump administration
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  has scheduled the mass leave order to take effect at 11:59
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  PM. Eastern on Friday as part of a
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  broader effort to reduce USA's operations.
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  USAID, an independent government agency established in 1961,
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  overseas foreign Aid and Development assistance around
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  the world. The agency currently accounts
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  for about 1% of the federal budget, according to the
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  Brookings Institute report from September.
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  Judge Nichols, who was appointed by Trump in 2019, said his
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  restraining order was very limited and specifically applied
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  to the 2200 workers who had not yet been placed on leave.
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  He did not immediately decide whether to reverse the
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  administration's actions against an additional 500 USAID
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  employees who had already been placed on leave now.
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  The lawsuit against the administration was filed by the
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  American Foreign Service Association and the American
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  Federation of Government Employees.
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  In court filings, the unions argued that US aid was under an
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  onslaught of unconstitutional and illegal attacks, leaving its
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  workers, contractors, grantees and beneficiaries deserted in
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  the wreckage in a global humanitarian crisis.
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  In the wake, they further accuse the administration of engaging
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  in a deliberate campaign to dismantle USA's infrastructure
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  and described the proposed leave orders as a near final killing
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  blow to the agency of the unions requested that the court
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  immediately halt the administration's efforts to
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  limit USA's operations. And during Friday's hearings,
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  Nichols press Department of Justice attorney Brett Schmidt
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  on why the administration was moving so quickly to place the
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  employees on leave. What's the urgency of this?
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  Nichols asked. Shumate responded by setting
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  allegations of corruption within USAID, saying the president has
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  decided there is corruption in fraud at USAID.
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  He did not provide specific evidence or wrongdoing, but
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  maintained that the agency needed a major overhaul.
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  Now, Trump has been vocal about his disdain for USAID, accusing
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  it of financial mismanagement and calling for its closure.
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  On Friday morning, he wrote on Truth Social in all caps,
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  yelling the corruption is at levels rarely seen before. close
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  it down. Exclamation point now.
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  The Post echoed his long, withstanding criticism of US
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  foreign aid programs, which he has argued are wasteful and
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  ineffective. Now, Elon Musk has played a key
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  role in reshaping the federal government under the White
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  House's Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, also took
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  credit for the administration's actions against US aid, he said.
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  We spent the weekend feeding US aid into the wood.
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  Chipper said that on X. Musk's influence in
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  administration has grown since the launch of DOGE, an
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  initiative aimed at dramatically reducing the size of the federal
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  workforce and consolidating government agencies, and his
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  comments about USAID reflect his broader push to cut foreign aid
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  spending and streamline government operations now.
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  USAID was created by President John F Kennedy was created while
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  he was there following the passage of the foreign
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  assistance act. It's played a central role in
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  providing humanitarian aid, economic development assistance,
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  and disaster relief worldwide. The company's defenders argue
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  that it's or the agency's defenders argue that its
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  programs advance US foreign policy interests, promote global
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  stability and assist vulnerable populations.
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  But critics of the administration's actions warned
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  that the sudden removal of thousands of US aid employees
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  could disrupt critical aid programs, including food
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  assistance, medical relief efforts and support for refugees
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  in conflict zones. The unions representing USAID
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  workers have argued that their disruptions could have long term
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  consequences for both US diplomatic relations and global
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  humanitarian efforts. The Brookings Institute report
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  noted that while US AIDS budget is a small fraction of overall
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  federal spending, the agency exerts considerable influence in
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  International Development isn't often a key partner in disaster
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  response efforts. Sudden reduction in staffing
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  could weaken the US leadership and foreign Aid and Development,
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  the report suggested. Now, the judge's temporary
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  restraining order is not a final ruling on the matter, though the
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  case is expected to proceed with further hearings where the
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  administration will have to defend its rationale for
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  sidelining US aid workers. Nichols has not yet indicated
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  when he will issue a more definitive decision on the
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  legality of the leave orders. Now, as legal proceeding
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  continue, the future of US aid remains uncertain.
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  The Trump administration's effort to curtail the agency's
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  operations reflects a broader push to cut US involvement in
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  international aid, which is a priority that Trump has
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  emphasized since his first term. He's always been for this.
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  But for now, restoring the restraining order means that US
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  AIDS 2200 employees will remain on the job, at least
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  temporarily. Whether the administration
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  ultimately succeeds in its attempt to restructure or shut
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  down the agency will likely depend on the outcome of ongoing
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  court battles and political negotiations.
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