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Strength Coach Jacqueline Kasen on Lifting Heavy, Peptide Culture, & the Truth About "New Healthy" · Tone It Down

• 0:00
  I'm not here to judge somebody, but we are going down a road that can be very unhealthy because people are seeing that this is what the new healthy is. This is your weekly girlfriend chat, the kind that we all crave.
• 0:15
  where we can show up exactly as we are, laugh until we cry, get honest about the things we're navigating, and all the private girl talk that we need more of. No pressure, no perfection, just real women like us sharing real stories with real connections.
• 0:31
  Over the years of Tone It Down, I've learned that the most transformative moments don't always happen in a workout. They happen in those conversations before and after. When we realize we're all going through something, when we feel seen, and that's what Tone It Down is built on. My intention is simple, to help you tune back into yourself, to quiet the noise, and to remind you that you're allowed to evolve. This is Tone It Down.
• 1:03
  Good morning, ladies. Hello. It's your girl, Karina, here in beautiful Miami. I have been in Miami all week doing a ton of things, all toned up, planning for what we're filming in the Caribbean coming up for your toned up app and podcasts and meetings. And it's been great. And I'm just going to head to the airport soon. And I'm staring at this beautiful blue ocean.
• 1:29
  Just like take a deep breath in right now and close your eyes and visualize the ocean waves and the calmness, the serenity of nature. And just take that in. Sometimes we just need to take that moment to breathe.
• 1:47
  So today on the Toner Down podcast, we have Jacqueline Kaysen. She sat with me right here on the couch. We had a wonderful conversation. She's a strength and mobility coach here in Miami. You can go work out with her at Anatomy, which is a gem here. I've never been, but next time I come back, I'm going to come. I've heard a ton of great things about it, but I'm splitting this up into two different podcasts because it's a great conversation. I really want you to soak it in.
• 2:13
  And also I've had a lot of feedback, like you like those little tidbits, kind of like how we have like workout snacks, those short workouts. We're like experimenting with like shorter podcasts. So that's what you said you wanted. So here you go. This is part one with Jacqueline. We talk about what it looks like for lifting as women and at especially over 40 or around 40 different stages of our life. We talk about tracking or not tracking.
• 2:40
  And wearing devices or getting your steps in, like what are we supposed to do, right? And we also discuss today's body standards that have changed quite a bit over the years. And we discuss the good old peptides and the good old GLP ones. It's a really fun conversation. We also just sit down girlfriend to girlfriend and laugh and get silly. Yeah.
• 3:01
  because that's what we like to do. All right, I love you. So this is part one. Make sure you click that subscribe button wherever you listen to your podcast so you don't miss part two. And next week we have a conversation, a solo, well, it's not really a solo, it's me and Desiree.
• 3:16
  Me and Desiree answer your questions that you left us on Instagram in the DMs. So you don't want to miss that one either. Also, did you know if you go to KarinaDawn.com slash message, you can leave me a voice message and we can play it right here on the pod and answer all your questions. All right. I love you. Go win the day. Get your Tone It Up app workout in and make sure you check in at Tone It Up hashtag TAU team.
• 3:44
  And we've started. Welcome to the Tone It Down podcast, Jacqueline Kaysen. Thank you so much for having me. Such an honor. Thank you. We're here in Miami and we met at Strong New York. Yes, we did. And we know nothing. Well, we know somewhat of nothing of each other. We haven't ever sat in a room. You're getting the raw footage of us. But I remember your energy coming up to me.
• 4:11
  Your energy was so magnetic. And I even told Desiree, you met Desiree there too. I was like, if we ever go to Miami, we need to connect with you. Oh, I love that. Thank you so much. I've been in fitness wellness my entire life, but you've been such a pillar of
• 4:29
  of fitness. And I just remember seeing you and following you for so many years. Then when I first met you, I was like, goo goo ga ga. I was so excited to meet you. And I had so many questions and they threw us up on this panel and it was like, okay, now answer these questions. And I'm like, I didn't get a chance to really connect. So I'm very happy that we're doing this. Thank you so much. Of course.
• 4:49
  Thank you. I mean, you're out here in Miami doing your amazing fitness. There's so many questions. I'm like looking into what you're doing out here from dancing on ice to teaching like a massive anatomy gym out here and being like one of the lead trainers and executives there. Right. Yes. I want to hear everything, but let's go back to.
• 5:14
  like how you even got into fitness and wellness and being such a cheerleader. Because I love when women are cheerleaders in the fitness space and just like own it with such confidence. Thank you. Let's just start wherever you want to start. Thank you. I started at a very young age. My father owned a fitness and wellness company way back when, when people did the
• 5:36
  at-home workouts on VHS to DVDs and people like Denise Austin, like he's the one who really pushed her out from day one. And a lot of people don't actually know that. And so growing up behind the scenes, I was behind the camera with the little flashcards or can I get someone coffee or can I do this and do that? And I always looked at
• 5:59
  the fitness personality being on set, being on stage and saying, you know, I can do that. Let me show you what I can do. And I realized that they were so happy, so bubbly. And I've always wanted to know, like, who was watching on the other side of the camera? Who are they really reaching out to? And that was a very young age athlete my whole life. I studied exercise science and physiology in school.
• 6:23
  There's a whole thing around there. And then I ended up going in the industry. But I think when you said about the cheerleader, I really appreciate that because it is a male dominated industry. It is very hard when I really started my career to break out, if you will, as a female. You had to be knowledgeable enough to keep up.
• 6:44
  I've really taken a lot of effort, time and pride to do that. So thank you. It means a lot. It was so interesting because I always talk about I got attracted to fitness when my mom was working out to Denise Austin VHS tapes back in the day and Kathy Smith. And I was like, one day I want to do that.
• 7:05
  I thought you just got to work out all day. I didn't realize there was like a whole business behind it. But I wonder if like we both were like those little girls that were watching what our parents were doing and saying one day I want to be a part of that. And like we could have been watching Denise. Have you met Denise and Katie?
• 7:27
  Oh, Denise like babysat me a few times as a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never actually met her daughter and I haven't spoken to her in years. I actually reached out to her on social, but I don't think she's ever read it. But I would love to get in touch with her at some point because it's been such a long time. Living in the South Bay and Manhattan Beach, Hermosa Beach, and exactly how they are on camera is how they are in person. For sure. And they're like...
• 7:50
  I remember, like, we're talking like 15 years ago when I was working with a, I had a DVD that we were creating. And Denise was working with them, too. They were like, Denise is always the same on, off camera. For sure. I love that. Like, always high energy. I'm like, how are you? Oh, I was just so happy.
• 8:09
  And then she invited me over to her house once on the beach to have like tea and like lunch. And it was, yeah. That's really nice. Yeah. It's great to hear that she's still the same too. That's really nice. Yeah. Really genuine people. Now, so then how do you come from, first of all, who is your dad?
• 8:28
  People wouldn't know him. His name is Donald Kaysen, but he was, you know, a producer and an owner of the business. Yeah. So he was very much behind the scenes. Wow. Yeah. That's fun. So then how do you go, what, then you're a teenager and you're loving fitness and then. For sure. Yeah. And then I just went to school and collegiate sports and exercise science and physiology and minored in health, all the boring stuff.
• 8:54
  And I wanted to do diagnostic stress testing for cardiac rehab patients. I wanted to go to the medical route. And I said, well, when you have a person that comes in and you treat them and you see them and you test them, where do they go from there? Well, they have to go with a trainer. Yeah.
• 9:10
  But there's no connection. There's no contact with the trainer. What do they do? How do you know what they do? So that's where the real work is, as you know, where the preventative side of things. So I said, you know what? Let me be a trainer for a little bit. Get a better understanding of the other end and I'll go back into the medical route. I think I lasted like...
• 9:29
  10 hours as a trainer. And I said, I will never go back. This is where I'm meant to be. I have crazy energy, of course, but just wanting to be helpful with people to move better, feel better and live a better life, longevity and health. And I just really stayed in it and just started training your gen pop clients, putting in the time, the hours, the work and have built myself
• 9:59
  Yeah. So obviously with Tone It Up, we have been around for 17 years. I know. Falling for 17. We went on this like walk and talk this morning with some community members that I invited. I just wanted to get together and have a matcha and walk down the little path here in South Beach. And we were just talking about fitness evolution from 2009 to now and all of the changes and
• 10:28
  Really what women now want from fitness. Like for you, what have you seen that progression of fitness? Even how many years have you been in fitness? 15 plus. Am I aging myself? Hey, girl, I'm 45. 20 years. Yeah, right? 20 years of fitness. Same. And training clients for 20 years. Yeah, same. So what have you seen the most that has changed, hasn't changed yet?
• 10:55
  And what women really need to pay attention to now? Three questions. That's great. It has changed so, so much. And there was this bodybuilder phase that everybody was at, the Arnold and all these shows and getting as lean as possible. And even when you're like judging people in like bikini and figure, what that looked like then is so different now. Do you know, this just brought back a memory. Tell me.
• 11:24
  In Miami, I did a bikini competition. Of course you did. And we need photos that are going to show right here. Like when she edits this bikini photo, bikini photo,
• 11:34
  Bikini bod, Karina, circa, year blank at the question mark. Way too skinny. Way too skinny. Like, just like. Yes. Y'all know I have fake boobs. Like, the boobs were just like. Love it. Too much. I cannot wait. I'm going to watch this back just for that photo. Does make no. Oh, my gosh. Right here. The photo is going to be right there.
• 11:57
  That was interesting. Yeah. So that was, that was then. That was, yeah, this was like 17, 18 years ago. Everything was huge. Bigger, the better. Nobody could do anything, by the way, except just lift and look strong. Yeah. Like there's no mobility. There's no quote unquote functional training. Was there any really healthy eating? You know, it's funny, like to get to that point, is it really healthy eating?
• 12:18
  No, it wasn't. You know, because I know people who won those events at the Arnold and I know where they're at now and deep conversations and, you know, not as healthy. Let's go there. Let's just like go back to the Arnold because I love reminiscing and nostalgia. Pre, like when I was a triathlete and a fitness model and all this stuff, this is probably 20 plus years ago, I would be like one of those booth girls at the Arnold. Yeah.
• 12:45
  Me too. Wait, did we ever went? BSN? Oh my God, it was BPI.
• 12:52
  Who knew? I was probably looking at you from another booth being like, who's that girl? Alicia, what was her name? She's so big. Oh my gosh. I remember the BSN girls. They were the girls. Yeah. That's so great. So much Tanner. But it was such a big thing back then. Supplements. Everything was supplements and brands. And I just remember having cabinets filled with supplements. You just couldn't have enough.
• 13:17
  And then it transitioned into, you know, a couple of years ago, it was like the calisthenics. Everybody's doing the pull-ups and the dips and the jumps and all of that stuff. And then you go into COVID where it was, you just need a kettlebell or a dumbbell and a mat. And you could be on the sidewalk. It doesn't even matter. It's just figure out your fitness. Anything is better than nothing.
• 13:40
  Then it was getting all your steps in, 10,000 steps, which is still, I think, that transition into running. Do you focus on steps?
• 13:49
  Me personally, I don't necessarily focus because I naturally get them in because I'm coaching and teaching. But if there is a point that I didn't get as much movement in a day, I'm going to say, hey, I'm going to step outside. Let me just do like a 30 minute walk because you have to get some movement in. And I see where my father is now or where, you know, family members are not as healthy because they're so sedentary. That has transitioned into me to say, OK, I got to make sure that I'm moving.
• 14:19
  You know, because sometimes you get stuck behind that computer or editing things like this. But it's really, really changing right now. I think we're in this very odd phase of be as lean as humanly possible to the point that people are actually healthy and in shape. They almost look out of shape now.
• 14:41
  Because of what people are seeing as this is the new in shape. Peptide central. Don't have a dozen background. It's like, don't get me started. Is on a peptide. And the thing is, listen, like.
• 14:56
  I'm not here to judge. I'm not here to name call and say, you do what's best for you and your body. Like no one knows that better than you. I'm not here to judge somebody, but we are going down a road that is and can be very unhealthy because people are seeing that this is what the new healthy is and you are healthy. A lot of people in fitness too. A lot of people in fitness.
• 15:21
  I mean, listen, like I'm not again, putting anyone down. If they're doing it for X reasons, why that they've made the decision to do so. I'm not putting you down or saying anything. I just want to make sure that you are as healthy as you can be and think about long-term effects. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. If you think that's best for you, go ahead. Yeah.
• 15:40
  And we will go there because I have an opinion on this too. Especially like if you need a peptide, a GLP one or whatever. Sure. You should definitely do it if you need it. If you are in the fitness industry selling a program...
• 15:56
  And doing it. And what about selling it too? Yeah. And a lot of people and good friends too. Really? That do that too. And I don't know where their sources are and where that's coming from. Yeah. I mean, I just want you to be mindful of and ask those questions. Yeah. I just want like trainers and people in the fitness industry, if they are on it and people are asking them for advice to be like, if you're on it, be like, well, I take this, but...
• 16:27
  You have to be honest. But I'm also lifting X, Y, Z and I'm eating X, Y, Z. And this is my recovery. And this is the reason why I'm doing this. As long as you're not pushing it on them and you're honest and transparent. Right. And I'm no doctor here, but we don't know what the future holds.
• 16:44
  No, there's no long-term effects. Some people say, you know, it's not FDA approved. Then some people say, well, it doesn't matter if it's FDA approved. I'm also not a doctor. It's just a conversation. But I think it's worth asking questions before you make questions.
• 17:01
  decisions before putting something in your body, just like you would if you were to pick up a certain fruit or a meat or anything that you put in your body, no matter what, even supplements, you know, that are filled with fillers. Make the best choice. Don't just make the quickest decision because someone online looks so great because those people can sell programs too. And I see them in the gym with a trainer lifting very heavy and then they're selling this type of program. My whole thing is just be honest. Yeah. Just be honest.
• 17:31
  Be a good damn person. Yeah. So what do women in fitness, like your biggest tips right now? She always wants to look good, but I think feeling good comes from just like moving your body and doing certain things. Like what would you tell a client? She comes to you and she's like, I'm just feeling tired and I'm not feeling my best. How would you start her?
• 17:58
  It's honestly, it's in the hard work. Everyone's trying to skip the mundane and take the easy steps and the easy route. It is hard to get up and move every day. It is hard because we're in the gym and we like it. I'm talking to real gen pop, real people that know they have to work out, but they're not living in the gym. They're not living in fitness and wellness like us.
• 18:27
  But it is hard to get up every day to do something physically active, whether you're on vacation, whether you're at home, whether it's raining or snowing outside, it's difficult. And it is hard to eat healthy most of the time. It's hard to do those things and focus on recovery and have a positive mindset and be around good people with like-minded core values. These are not easy things. And people think, oh, I did this for a few days. I did this for a little while. I'm tired.
• 18:57
  Maybe you need a rest day, you know, but it's not a rest week. You have to be honest with yourself, but you have to move. You have to move often. You have to lift. You have to lift heavy. You have to lift often and you have to get good quality sleep. So if you're not feeling well, you're feeling sluggish, you're feeling tired. I'm a little depressed. I'm a little of this. I guarantee you one of those things is going to make you feel 1% better immediately. Yeah.
• 19:25
  immediately feel a little bit better. You're telling me you're not going to go. And then this is where Desiree does the clip of the beach outside of the view. You can't tell me you're not going to take a step outside in nature. No headphones, no music, no phone calls, no watches, nothing digital. No tracking, by the way. Just go for a walk. How long? A little bit. Just go for a walk. You're not going to feel better after that. You're going to feel a little better after that. A hundred percent.
• 19:55
  I think it's so important to point out where people think that fitness has to be all or nothing. Like if I can't give it my thousand percent today, then I'm going to lay in bed. I'm just going to get up and I'm going to skip it all. And I always say that I love workout snacks. And we've been doing it like, I don't feel like working out. But what if I say, I'm going to do 10 minutes. And after 10 minutes, you feel incredible. Like even in the Tone It Up app, I...
• 20:23
  purposefully have short workouts for those moments where you're like, I just don't have the motivation or the energy. But you do a five, ten-minute workout. You have ten minutes, though. Yeah. You got ten minutes. Yeah. Who doesn't have ten minutes? And then you feel better. And immediately after you work out, then you make better choices of what you eat, what you put on that plate, and then what you put on that plate helps also with mental health. For sure. For me, I think even when founding Turn It Up 17 years ago,
• 20:52
  It was a different purpose of working out. I didn't even realize that I was promoting fitness because it took me out of my decade of darkness. And then you change. You're like, wait, I start feeling better in this. And you just keep motivating yourself because why am I feeling different? Why am I feeling more creative? Why am I? It's fitness and movement and what you put in your body and hydration. Yeah.
• 21:16
  For sure. And when you start doing those little things, you want to do it longer and more often because you're realizing how much better you're feeling. It shouldn't be this complicated. I feel it's so complicated for everyone. If you're a professional athlete or competing in something like that, where it gets a little bit.
• 21:34
  complicated, but people see these things online. That's so extreme. It's like, that's not for you and that's okay. And if you want to do those things, like we'll get you to do those things. You can call me, text me. The point is, is that it's just shouldn't be that complicated. The fitness noise just needs to be simplified period. It really is simple, but the world just needs to keep complicating it.
• 21:57
  For sure. But everybody's looking for the next cream, the lotion, the pill, the needle, the different variation of a squat. It's like you're still squatting, still deadlifting, you're still pressing, you're carrying, you're hanging, you're crawling, jumping, like...
• 22:13
  That's it. You mentioned lifting heavy. Yeah. Let's talk about that because I think that can sound very intimidating. Yes. Especially for women. And some people are like, what is heavy? Like, do I have to lift a hundred pounds? I'm like, no. So your perspective on lifting heavy.
• 22:31
  Yeah. Heavy is different for everyone. It's like a relative term because my heavy deadlift is going to be different than your heavy deadlift or maybe not. But I like the term, it's called an RPE, a rate of perceived exertion. So when I'm doing something like this should feel a seven or eight out of 10, this feels challenging, but I can get through it.
• 22:56
  And when I'm doing this myself, I analyze myself. If I'm training a client or a group of people, even professional athletes, guys, how did that feel for you? Was that a seven or an eight? Some of them will say like, that's nine. That's too much for you. So it's either too heavy or...
• 23:12
  You didn't get enough rest in between sets. It all depends on the person, what their goals are, orthopedic issues, limitations, all of that, right? But what are they training for? The idea is that if you're picking up a weight and you're doing it 15, 20 reps, 30 seconds, one minute, whatever that is, multiple times.
• 23:30
  that's not lifting heavy. That doesn't mean I'm anti. That doesn't mean I'm against it. That doesn't mean you should only do that. I like those things too, by the way, but that's incorporated into your weight training routine. You can't just do that all the time.
• 23:45
  If you like doing it, do it. I'm not saying don't do it, but don't lift three pounds for one minute straight and then say, but I'm lifting heavy because it's hard. Like you're of course holding up something for X period of time is going to feel heavy and challenging, but you're not challenging your muscles. Right.
• 24:05
  you're not in a way of getting that growth stimulus of focusing on bone health, longevity. Like you get older, especially as females. If you don't strength train, I've fallen and I can't get up or, you know, I slipped and this thing broke. It's like,
• 24:22
  No wonder because your bones are weak because you've never challenged yourself that way. Why don't you give it a try? And why don't they do it? Because it's hard. It's supposed to be hard. I don't want to get big and bulky. You can't because you don't eat to get big and bulky. Do you realize how hard it would be to put on muscle with a weight training program and a diet? You couldn't even consume the calories. It's so difficult. You're not going to get big and bulky. Just not. But you got to lift heavy.
• 24:51
  I can't believe that's still the narrative today. For sure. That was when we were growing up. Women don't lift weights because you'll give. And we're ingrained because of when we grew up, that's what they messaged to us. For sure. And it's still there. And now I'm like, I'm trying to put on five pounds of muscle. It's so hard. Yeah.
• 25:10
  It's so hard. Yeah. And you don't understand it until you're actually in it, but don't get to a point for people of, oh, now I realized to fight against osteoporosis or osteopenia. Like now I need to lift heavy, especially if people are on GLP ones. Right. Because you leave and lose more muscle. You lose more muscle and bone density, factual, not opinion. And then it gets to a point that they want to start incorporating it. It's almost too late. Right.
• 25:37
  So you have to make sure that you start it as soon as humanly possible and make sure you follow a good, strong, regimented program. Don't just throw yourself in there and get hurt, too, because then people get scared because I lift heavy, I get hurt. But it's not the matter of the weight necessarily. Most of the time it's about your form and technique.
• 25:56
  We were just talking about this yesterday about form and technique when you go to the gym and you see especially no hate toward the bin, but they're like throwing weights around. And the kettlebells. I'm like, come on, man, let's go. Yeah. We won't show you like form on this podcast today, but need to pay attention to the form. Have to. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:18
  But it's also like trainer's obligation to go up to someone. Like we're not, you can't talk poorly about someone unless you like, actually never, but you need to go up to that person and help them and say, hey, what are you working on today? This looks great. Do you mind if I show you a pointer or two? Like...
• 26:37
  Isn't that our job is to help people out? Yeah. I don't know why more trainers are not doing those things. Yeah. And that's where you can really make a difference. Yeah. Then they think, oh, I swung a kettlebell. It was so heavy, I hurt myself. Or I deadlifted so heavy, I hurt myself. It was not about the weight. It was really about your form and technique.
• 26:57
  Because you're able to pick it up or you're able to swing it, but you have to make sure that you do it properly and safely first. Correct. Supplements for building muscle. Okay. What are your thoughts on like creatine or aminos, protein, all of that?
• 27:13
  Yeah. I think get as much naturally from whole foods as much as humanly possible. Supplements are supposed to supplement what you're eating or lack thereof maybe a day. So do you like this and you like this brand and it feels well for you? I'm an advocate of it. I can't say, take this, don't do this, don't do that. I know nothing about the person. Okay.
• 27:39
  But I don't like when people say do this and don't do this like a nutritionist. If they haven't seen your blood or they haven't seen your urine, they're just like, I prescribe X to you. It's like, you don't know their health history if they can handle that. Even like pre-workouts. Like, do you know if they have high blood pressure or...
• 27:58
  cholesterol issues, whatever. You don't know anything. You're just prescribing do this. So if you like creatine, great. How much, how long, try short-term supplementation first, see how it feels on your body, how you've, some people say I'm bloated. Well, you're drinking more water with it. Like maybe that's not the best one. Maybe it went too much, too soon, too quick. I like thorn. I like thorn supplements a lot. I haven't taken that. I've heard of it. I love thorn. Yeah.
• 28:25
  I'm not sponsored by them. I like their quality, and it feels well when I take it. Protein, I used to be a protein supplement person. Oh, my God. I used to have the shaker bottle all day. You love toned up protein, I'm sure. Tone it up or tone it or tone it down. But I think if it's a good, reputable, third-party tested product, why not? If you're not eating it...
• 28:55
  yourself, you should supplement. What do you think about people saying that you need one gram of protein per body weight? For some, it's one kilogram per body weight. But then if you're an athlete, it's one gram. Thoughts, opinions? Because there's a lot out there. A lot of trainers like you got to have 150 grams of protein. Yes. That's my response. Yes. Like you're not most of the time for everybody measuring this.
• 29:20
  Most of the time you're not having enough protein. Yeah. Just in general. Yeah. Eat more protein, period, throughout the day. Every time I'm eating a meal, the majority of that plate is protein.
• 29:31
  if you're measuring and like, I want to be very careful about the measuring. Yeah. Because I know that the, if the intent is I'm using this as a tool to learn because I think that I'm getting enough of this when I'm actually not. And if you want to measure to realize the true amount of this is what I'm consuming on a daily basis or lack thereof, it's a great tool and I would use it for a very short period of time.
• 29:59
  You shouldn't have to measure everything all the time every day. Yeah. Is that a little stressful? I don't measure. I don't weigh. I don't measure. I feel like that's a lot of work. I feel like that's a lot of stressful and it could cause an adverse negative effect that I've seen. You know, as soon as like I coach a group or something, they get on their watch and they stop and they see I'm like, all right. Are you on like a device? Honestly, I use this. I swear I use this as a timer. Yeah.
• 30:25
  Okay. When I'm coaching large groups to know. I used to wear a ring and it gave me anxiety. Yeah, I don't have that. I used to have a whoop and it used to be like in group chats or groups that you could see how many points you're getting. People would literally message me in the group. How are you at the like 20.6 point? I go, I haven't even worked out today. I'm stressed.
• 30:44
  It's registering stress for my last three meetings that I had. And they're like, you're almost at 21. It's 11 a.m. How is that possible? I haven't trained. I'm like, oh my gosh, guys, this is crazy. Measuring myself was giving me high blood pressure. It was giving me stress. And I'm like, I didn't even work out. And now it's like, now it's too much. Or like with the Apple, my friend runs marathons and they've hit...
• 31:09
  every workout. And then like within 30 days, it says, all right, like this is your next goal for the next month. I go, how many more miles can one do after you've achieved this? Because it has to keep pushing the envelope, right? It's a little too much. So let's, let's get a proper program. Let's keep it consistent. Like everybody focuses on this. Can I go off topic for a second? Cause I'm kind of like ranting right now.
• 31:33
  Yeah, please do. I had somebody, and I tell this person, I use this analogy all the time. I actually think I said this when we were on the panel at Strong. Okay. They asked me in their coffee, like, can I have monk fruit? And I think I said this, like, can I have monk fruit in my coffee to not have the sugar, blah, blah. I said, listen...
• 31:50
  You're focusing on all of this. I just need you to move daily and eat well and recover. They want to focus on these tiny little things. I'm like, focus on this first. Back to basics. Basics, consistency. Yeah. Basics, which is hard to do. Then we'll get to monk fruit.
• 32:12
  Focus on this first. You know, it's crazy. Well, it is back to basics. Like, are you waking up? Are you meditating? Are you working out? Just like walking, lifting whatever weights with proper form. And are you eating right? And eating right doesn't have to be overcomplicated. You know, whatever you're putting on that plate, if it's good for you or not. You don't need to ask, should I have this mung fruit or should I not? Should I have this fried chicken or should I not? Right.
• 32:42
  And you have the tools and resources now more than ever to ask, you know, ask somebody that is reputable enough to ask those questions and they will answer. They'll absolutely answer and help you. But now more than ever, you have the tools and resources at your hand to get those answers.
• 33:03
  And I'll go off topic too. There is nothing off topic here, by the way. But thinking about even medications and we were talking about something about being prescribed. I don't know. Just anything like say you go to your doctor. You're talking about blood work or something and prescribing stuff without actually knowing the facts without a blood or a urine sample or this or that. And going to a doctor who's like, oh, you have high blood pressure. Let me give you a medication.
• 33:29
  I could go on another rate on the phone. I'm doing a bit with my father now. It's tough. It's very tough. But like the doctors aren't, certain doctors don't say, well, what is your lifestyle like? Why do you have, let me just hand you this pill. What's the root cause not covering the symptom? Yeah.
• 33:46
  We can just leave it at that. But seriously, though, it's like I'm literally dealing with this with my father and I ended up going to the doctor and his appointment and he's having some cardiovascular issues and whatnot. And and it's just take this pill, take this pill. I'm like all of a sudden I'm looking in this folder and it's like all these medications. It's like it's so painful to see. And it's.
• 34:10
  you know, oh, he says he's doing this. He says he's doing that. I'm like, the actuality of doing this, what is this person doing versus give them the medication? And sometimes they need it. This is like life or death at this point, if they need it. That's not what we're talking about. But what is causing this? Oh, you're on the spectrum of elevated cholesterol. Great. Oh, but you're having eggs, steak, red wine, and chips. Yeah.
• 34:36
  in the same day, of course your cholesterol is going to be elevated. But if you have steak that day, don't have your glass of wine. If you wanted to have some chips as a snack, then maybe don't have the steak for the dinner with it. Like there are ways to...
• 34:52
  have these answers to resolve these issues and then get checked. Don't wait another year to get checked. Get checked with your blood a couple months later and see if those changes are actually making a difference. You might be on the fence or not, but the medication just, but that's what a doctor does. That's their job. But can we merge the medical realm with the health and fitness realm?
• 35:19
  This is where we're going. 2026, 2027. Like this is where we're headed. Really making difference where doctors are sitting with people in fitness and getting a better understanding and having conversations to really move the needle and make a change.