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The Kenny Report | 9 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, One Nation soars in the polls, backs in a
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Speaker 3: former drug-using state leader and draws a powerful counter-attack from
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Speaker 3: Coalition frontbencher and leadership aspirant Andrew Hastie. With all that
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Speaker 3: in the mix, Pauline Hanson joins me live. Pro-Palestinian and
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Speaker 3: anti-Israel propaganda pushed in our schools. Marnie Perlstein on that
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Speaker 3: and the push for the Prime Minister to appear before
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Speaker 3: the Bondi Royal Commission. Plenty happening overseas, with Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: lording the heroes of 9-11 and the blockade hurting Iran.
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Speaker 3: Tom Switzer on those issues. Esther Krakow in London on
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Speaker 3: the UK turning its back on Israel. And Dave Sharma
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Speaker 3: on more tax stuff-ups by the Albanese Labor government. And
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Speaker 3: in the Wednesday wrangle with Justin and Jamie, our taxes
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Speaker 3: are going through the roof. And Prince George heads off
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Speaker 3: to Eton College. How are we going to fit it
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Speaker 3: all in? Let's get cracking. An extraordinary counterattack by Andrew
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Speaker 3: Hastie against Pauline Hanson and One Nation today has highlighted
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Speaker 3: the central strategic challenge and conundrum on our national political battleground.
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Speaker 3: There are three big issues in Australian politics at the moment.
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Speaker 2: One Nation, One Nation and One Nation.
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Speaker 3: What One Nation does, what the Labor government does about
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Speaker 3: One Nation, and even more importantly, what the Coalition does
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Speaker 3: about One Nation. And whatever the major parties have been doing,
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Speaker 3: it hasn't been working. The major parties, the ones that
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Speaker 3: One Nation supporters like to call the Uniparty, have been
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Speaker 3: on a unity ticket for years on high levels of immigration,
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Speaker 3: shutting down the country during COVID, racking up record debt
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Speaker 3: and destroying our cheap energy advantage by pursuing net zero
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Speaker 3: by 2050. Since Angus Taylor took over, the Coalition has
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Speaker 3: started to wake up, dropping its commitment to net zero
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Speaker 3: and unfurling a new policy to drastically cut back immigration.
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Speaker 3: But according to the polls so far, it's too little
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Speaker 3: and not strong enough, because the latest News 24 Pulse
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Speaker 3: polling shows both major parties going backwards as One Nation
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Speaker 3: has surged to the lead with 30% of intended first
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Speaker 3: preference votes. Labor is back on barely more than one
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Speaker 3: in four voters with 26%. And the coalition holds on
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Speaker 3: to less than one in five voters at just 18%.
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Speaker 2: This is a.
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Speaker 3: Big problem, not just for the major parties, but for
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Speaker 3: the country.
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Speaker 2: Where are we heading?
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Speaker 3: With no party capable of getting a majority, Could we
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Speaker 3: face a Labor, Greens and Teals government? Or could we
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Speaker 3: see a Coalition and One Nation government? Or could we
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Speaker 3: face a shambolic lower house, a chamber of horrors? I
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Speaker 3: was walking to my gate at Sydney Airport this morning
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Speaker 3: and a woman ran up to me from behind. She
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Speaker 3: grabbed me by the arm. She was a stranger and
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Speaker 3: she implored me to get on to Angus Taylor. Tell
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Speaker 3: him to get a bit of mongrel, she said. He
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Speaker 3: has to get a bit of mongrel about him or
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Speaker 3: it'll be all over for him. Well, I don't know
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Speaker 3: if anyone in Canberra is listening, but last night I
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Speaker 3: criticised them for failing to press the Prime Minister for
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Speaker 3: dodging the Bondi Royal Commission after the ASIO boss, Mike Burgess,
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Speaker 3: said he issued the warnings about Islamist extremism, but others
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Speaker 3: didn't step up. Anyway, the Coalition ignored that issue again
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Speaker 3: today and they tried to embarrass Anthony Albanese over an
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Speaker 3: undeclared honorary golf membership. which is all a bit subpar,
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Speaker 3: if you'll excuse my pun. But one Liberal frontbencher has
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Speaker 3: decided to go for a bit of mongrel directly at
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Speaker 3: One Nation. Last night, I highlighted Shadow Industry Minister Andrew
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Speaker 3: Hastie's battle with One Nation, and I said One Nation
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Speaker 3: are doing the wrong thing by targeting him.
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Speaker 2: Well, today, this SAS veteran launched a full counterattack.
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Speaker 4: I was quiet for quite some months as all this
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Speaker 4: was going on, but drawing a line under it, and
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Speaker 4: I'm locked in and I'm focused and I'm going to
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Speaker 4: do everything I can to win canning, to defeat One Nation.
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Speaker 4: And if they want to keep going, hey, one thing
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Speaker 4: I know about the ADF, it taught me to be tough,
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Speaker 4: to take pain, but also how to fight. So I'm
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Speaker 4: going to fight really hard.
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Speaker 3: Now, this battle relates to Hastie's appearance as a witness
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Speaker 3: in the unsuccessful defamation trial brought by Victoria Cross recipient
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Speaker 3: Ben Robert-Smith. Pauline Hanson and One Nation have targeted Hastie
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Speaker 3: as they continue to support Robert Smith, who now faces
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Speaker 3: criminal war crimes charges.
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Speaker 2: As I showed you yesterday.
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Speaker 3: In an electorate newsletter, Hastie said he won't take any
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Speaker 3: more slander from One Nation, not after they called me
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Speaker 3: a traitor to my country.
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Speaker 2: This is a charge the party denies.
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Speaker 5: I was speaking to Pauline this morning about this.
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Speaker 1: She never called him a traitor, so.
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Speaker 6: People going around saying, you said I was a traitor,
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Speaker 6: and people say, well, now you're verbaling me.
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Speaker 5: And so that, of course, increases the heat around the discussion.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough.
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Speaker 3: But Hastie says the alleged slander came via a One
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Speaker 3: Nation Please Explain cartoon.
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Speaker 2: Not another one! I can't hack it anymore! Traitor?
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Speaker 1: Why are they calling you a traitor?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 7: All I did was testify against Ben Robert Smith and
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Speaker 7: support your evil hate speech legislation after promising not to.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
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Speaker 1: That is pretty traitorous, actually.
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Speaker 8: You know, I always dreamed that one day I'd be
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Speaker 8: the chosen one and stab the leader in the back
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Speaker 8: and become the leader.
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Speaker 1: Of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 9: But now I'll never be the leader and it's all
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Speaker 9: my fault because I'm a stupid traitor!
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Speaker 3: These cartoons, as we've shown you and discussed many times,
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Speaker 3: are a curious mix of political advocacy and satire. And
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Speaker 3: Hastie is in no mood for laughter.
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Speaker 1: They say they never called you a traitor.
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Speaker 4: Well, I would say that Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 4: are lying cowards. And I'll say it again, so there's
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Speaker 4: no ambiguity. They are lying cowards. On July 23, at
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Speaker 4: the top of her ex-account, she posted a cartoon.
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Speaker 2: It's still there.
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Speaker 4: And in that cartoon, I'm called a traitor eight times,
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Speaker 4: along with... Gutless maggot, that I don't really care about.
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Speaker 4: But when you start calling me a traitor to my
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Speaker 4: own country, then we have a big, big problem.
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Speaker 3: Again, as I showed you yesterday, One Nation has made
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Speaker 3: no secret of the fact it's gunning for Hastie in
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Speaker 3: his seat of canning, vowing to unseat him.
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Speaker 10: There's one thing One Nation stand by. and that is
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Speaker 10: Ben Robert Smith. I'm not sure whether the current member
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Speaker 10: for Canning does, but the truth of the matter is
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Speaker 10: that we stand by all of our Defence Force members,
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Speaker 10: and that is one thing that Andrew Hastie is forgetting.
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Speaker 10: What I will say to Andrew Hastie is that we've
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Speaker 10: got 431 nation members in his electorate. I did seek
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Speaker 10: the number from our office before coming on air tonight,
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Speaker 10: so we're a strong 431 registered, paid-up members of One
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Speaker 10: Nation in that seat, and they expect us to run
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Speaker 10: a very strong candidate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so in defence of one veteran facing war crimes charges,
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Speaker 3: One Nation is gunning for another veteran. Hasty is a
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Speaker 3: former SAS officer who led troops on two deployments to Afghanistan.
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Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce are trashing my service record.
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Speaker 4: They've called me a traitor to my own country. But
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Speaker 4: it's not just about me. It's about the other veterans.
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Speaker 4: Are they saying the same thing of the other 20
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Speaker 4: SAS combat veterans who gave evidence under oath in the
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Speaker 4: federal court? Are they also traitors to their country? And
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Speaker 4: so I'm calling on Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce to
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Speaker 4: own this cartoon. And if they own it, step out
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Speaker 4: into the House or outside the House, I don't really care,
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Speaker 4: use parliamentary privilege or don't, and explain why I and
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Speaker 4: other veterans and indeed serving members of the ADF who
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Speaker 4: think war crimes are wrong are traitors to their country.
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Speaker 3: Now, there are other skirmishes involved here. There's the issue
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Speaker 3: of how Ben Robert Smith has been investigated and charged,
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Speaker 3: and there are different views about that within the Defence Forces.
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Speaker 3: And there are political tensions in the Coalition about whether
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Speaker 3: to tackle One Nation head-on will turn their sights only
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Speaker 3: on Labor.
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Speaker 11: Why is everyone calling me a traitor then?
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Speaker 1: Because you are a traitor. No, but what about One Nation?
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Speaker 2: One Nation's not our enemy, Hasty. Labor is.
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Speaker 12: We don't win by constantly fighting battles.
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Speaker 9: We win by avoiding unnecessary ones.
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Speaker 1: Haven't you read The Art of War?
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Speaker 2: No, I can't read.
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Speaker 3: Oh, he can read, all right. And he can fight.
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Speaker 3: So as Andrew Hastie takes on Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce,
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Speaker 3: all eyes will be on him. He's showing some mongrel
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Speaker 3: and they'll be desperate to see whether this works. If
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Speaker 3: it does, he'll look like an alternative leader. Either way, though,
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Speaker 3: the coalition is going to have to back him in
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Speaker 3: this fight or it'll be looking left twixt and tween again.
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Speaker 3: Let's go live to Canberra now and catch up with
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Speaker 3: the One Nation leader, Pauline Hanson. Thanks for joining us again, Pauline.
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Speaker 3: Will you apologise to Andrew Hastie?
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Speaker 1: Well, I actually gobsmacked over all this because I think,
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Speaker 1: what the hell is he talking about, calling him a traitor?
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Speaker 1: Then I realised he's talking about a cartoon, a satirical cartoon.
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Speaker 1: And if you look at it, he says, traitor to
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Speaker 1: his country. I've never said that. Actually, it wasn't even
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Speaker 1: over Ben Robert Smith. Because when he actually told his
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Speaker 1: constituency that he would vote against the Labor Party's hate
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Speaker 1: speech laws, and then he did end up voting with it,
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Speaker 1: that's when people on his own page called him a
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Speaker 1: traitor for that. because he vowed that he wasn't going.
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Speaker 4: To support it.
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Speaker 1: And he did. So, you see, it's got nothing to
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Speaker 1: do with Bent Robert's speech. It's actually... So, that's what
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Speaker 1: it's about, the hate speech laws. So, it's got nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with this. This is just completely a storm
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Speaker 1: and teacup. And, you know, you said, why am I
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Speaker 1: going after him last night? And, you know, I have
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Speaker 1: a political party... We're going to stand 150 candidates right
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Speaker 1: across the whole country, as we did last time. Now,
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Speaker 1: there are other great people. Who's another ADF former soldier?
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Speaker 1: And that's Phil Thompson from Townsville. We'll be standing a
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Speaker 1: candidate against him. And I think Phil is a fantastic representative.
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Speaker 1: But we will be standing a candidate against everyone across
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Speaker 1: the country. And we will be standing one against Andrew Hastie.
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Speaker 1: He's the one who's got his knickers in a knot.
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Speaker 1: He's the one who's carrying on. And you're saying, why
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Speaker 1: are we standing a candidate against him? What's it... You know?
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Speaker 2: Why shouldn't we?
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Speaker 3: Pauline, you and One Nation are making a particular effort
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Speaker 3: at targeting his seat. You've said so and demonstrated that yourself.
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Speaker 3: I just showed you that grab from James Ashby. But
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Speaker 3: getting back to these claims of traitor, they do relate
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Speaker 3: to those hate speech laws, but that's where there were
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Speaker 3: changes to the laws and he went with the Liberal.
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Speaker 2: Position, but that is mentioned.
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Speaker 3: But as we just saw in that cartoon, you also
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Speaker 3: mention the Ben Robert Smith case. Now, the point is
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Speaker 3: that these are One Nation cartoons. They're funded by One Nation.
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Speaker 3: They're publicised for One Nation. To use Andrew Hastie's term,
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Speaker 3: will you own those words and.
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Speaker 2: Delete the cartoon... Or do you stand by them?
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to delete the cartoon. I encourage people,
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Speaker 1: if you want to go and have a look at
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Speaker 1: it yourself, please go and look at it. Please explain
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Speaker 1: hasty for hasty. So, anyway, I'd encourage people to go
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Speaker 1: and have a look at it and make up their
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Speaker 1: own words.
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Speaker 2: But do you own the words? I'm not going to withdraw. Well,
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Speaker 2: you own the words.
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Speaker 1: I am not going to.
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Speaker 2: Do you own the words, though?
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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't.
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Speaker 2: Do you own those words? I did not say the words.
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Speaker 2: Do you say he's a traitor? You did not say them,
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Speaker 2: but your cartoon did.
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Speaker 1: Chris, do not keep going on badgering me.
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you. Excuse me, Pauline. No, I didn't say
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Speaker 2: the words. I'm trying to ask you a simple question.
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Speaker 1: I'm not calling him a traitor to his country, which
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Speaker 1: he made that.
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Speaker 1: That statement, that I never said that. And I have
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Speaker 1: not said that. It is a satirical cartoon, for Christ's sake.
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Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce was classified as a beetroot. He's now part
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Speaker 1: of the party. Did he jump up and down about it?
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Speaker 1: So stop making a mountain out of molehill. These cartoons
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Speaker 1: have been very well received by the Australian public. So
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Speaker 1: if he wants to go out there, actually the way
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Speaker 1: he's carrying on now It's basically, is this all about
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Speaker 1: a leadership challenge to Angus Taylor? And that's what it
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Speaker 1: possibly is showing me. He's trying to get a bit
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Speaker 1: of courage to take on Angus Taylor. But I will
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Speaker 1: be standing candidate in his seat, One Nation candidate.
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Speaker 3: Pauline, you can clear this up very easily, though. You've
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Speaker 3: sort of gone halfway there. You've said it's a satirical cartoon,
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Speaker 3: but these are the words of One Nation put out
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Speaker 3: by One Nation through that cartoon. Can you say clearly
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Speaker 3: now that you do not believe... Andrew Hastie is a traitor,
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Speaker 3: you actually respect him as a veteran?
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Speaker 1: Of course I do. Of course I do. I don't
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Speaker 1: think he is a traitor and I've never called him
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Speaker 1: a traitor. And I have the highest regard... Very good,
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Speaker 1: we've cleared that up. I have the highest regard for
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Speaker 1: people in the Defence Force and who have fought for
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Speaker 1: and are prepared to put their lives on the line
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Speaker 1: for this country. And I always have and I always will.
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Speaker 1: And I respect him for his services that he's done
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Speaker 1: for Australia. But I have not called him a traitor.
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Speaker 1: That was in a cartoon, Chris, and that's it. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to.
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Speaker 2: And to be clear, you're not going to delete it.
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Speaker 2: It's going to stay up there. That's clear.
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Speaker 3: Let me just move on to the other issue you're
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Speaker 3: dealing with at the moment with your Victorian leader, Warren Pickering,
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Speaker 3: and his astonishing confessions yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Here's a reminder.
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Speaker 9: I had utilised illegal drugs in my 20s. Never would
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Speaker 9: I have ever said that I was somebody that was
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Speaker 9: a drug addict. I did use them. as a young man,
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Speaker 9: and I'm not proud of that. What drugs are we
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Speaker 9: talking about? We're talking about speed, amphetamines, ecstasy and marijuana.
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Speaker 2: That's quite a menu there, Pauline. Why are you backing him?
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Speaker 1: Because he's a man who's admitted to taking these drugs
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Speaker 1: in the past. That's 20 years ago, and I believe
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Speaker 1: in redemption. He's a fellow who actually in hard times
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Speaker 1: stood by his partner... The courts gave him custody of
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Speaker 1: the children where she was not able to have the children.
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Speaker 1: They weren't all his children. He took on three boys
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Speaker 1: that weren't his own. This is a man of conviction.
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Speaker 1: This is a man who stands by principles. This shows
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Speaker 1: me leadership. Why shouldn't I back him? They asked some
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Speaker 1: members of parliament down in Victoria had they ever tried drugs.
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Speaker 1: They did too. And they admit it, they've had drugs.
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Speaker 1: Who in this country possibly hasn't not tried drugs? You know,
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Speaker 1: a great majority of people have. We have a big
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Speaker 1: issue with drugs in this country. Maybe you should do
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Speaker 1: a test in Parliament here because I've heard that even
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Speaker 1: here in Parliament House, if you tested the water here,
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Speaker 1: you'd probably find there's a lot of drugs in the
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Speaker 1: system as well. So don't have a go at my candidate.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sick and tired of the media chasing after
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Speaker 1: to try and get any dirt on any member of parliament, candidates,
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Speaker 1: myself and all the rest of it. I've really had
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Speaker 1: enough of it.
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Speaker 2: So here's the point.
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Speaker 3: The Australian has been investigating Warren Pickering for some time now.
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Speaker 2: And just a few.
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Speaker 3: Days ago, they published this story, which contained this written
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Speaker 3: statement from Pickering, where he said that the allegations had
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Speaker 3: been made against him by his former partner are false.
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Speaker 2: They are extremely hurtful. And I just hope the public
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Speaker 2: can see through them.
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Speaker 3: Now, if he's denying these allegations just days ago but
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Speaker 3: admitting to them in a full press conference yesterday, doesn't
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Speaker 3: that call into question his honesty in the here and now?
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Speaker 1: No, it's not, because she.
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Speaker 1: Chris, I'm not going to go into... This is actually
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Speaker 1: personal matter, and he was trying to protect the children
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Speaker 1: and his ex-partner. Now, if you'd listened to the son's
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Speaker 1: testimony at that press conference yesterday, He actually had a
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Speaker 1: lot to say about his mother, the type of person
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Speaker 1: that she is. We were also trying to protect her
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Speaker 1: without this going on any further.
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Speaker 2: But he denied it all. He denied it all and
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Speaker 2: then yesterday... It is.
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Speaker 1: A shame that it's come to this. No, because there
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Speaker 1: were other allegations there that was not. We didn't go
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Speaker 1: into detail. We were pushed and pushed for detail with it.
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Speaker 2: So, Chris... But in.
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Speaker 3: That statement he denied everything and all he... The only
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Speaker 3: thing that he didn't confess to yesterday was smoking ice
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Speaker 3: in front of the children.
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Speaker 1: Chris, you know something? We didn't have to do that
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Speaker 1: press conference yesterday. He could have kept going on denying it.
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Speaker 1: He's never been charged over this in the court system.
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Speaker 1: He's actually got the custody of the children. He's done
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Speaker 1: the right thing by kids that weren't his children. That
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Speaker 1: shows the type of person that he is. And for
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Speaker 1: you to even persist with it, even still at this stage,
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Speaker 1: the whole fact is, I have the utmost, even more
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Speaker 1: so now, after what I saw him deliver that at
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Speaker 1: the press conference yesterday, how much it must have ripped
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Speaker 1: him apart to do it. His children were not asked
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Speaker 1: by him. They wanted to go. and to that press conference.
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Speaker 1: That shows me the calibre of a person. You go
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Speaker 1: and talk to the members or the premiers.
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Speaker 2: I think most of the country saw that.
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Speaker 4: in.
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Speaker 1: Victoria, and you actually go and ask them, where's their
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Speaker 1: conviction to stand up for the people of Victoria and
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Speaker 1: the state of that country down there? Where's the investigations
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Speaker 1: into the lies that are presented by the parliaments down
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Speaker 1: there and the.
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Speaker 2: Everyone can see that, Pauline... and the 15 billion.
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Speaker 1: No, because you don't go harping about that as much
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Speaker 1: as what you go for me or have a go
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Speaker 1: at Pickering or anything like that. No, you don't as much.
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Speaker 2: The point.
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Speaker 3: Pauline, the point about the confessions yesterday... I get back
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Speaker 3: to it. The point is that he had denied all
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Speaker 3: the allegations just days before.
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Speaker 2: He didn't... That's the problem.
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Speaker 1: He didn't have to say anything. He didn't have to
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Speaker 1: say anything at all. He could have just withdrawn from
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Speaker 1: this race. He's put himself out there. He had to
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Speaker 1: expose a lot of stuff that he didn't have to,
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Speaker 1: but he thought, I'm going to clear the air with this.
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Speaker 1: And there's still a lot there. No, I'll withdraw that.
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Speaker 1: There's not a lot there because it was all exposed yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I stand by Warren Pickering and guess what?
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Speaker 2: Hang on a second. What did you mean there's still
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Speaker 2: a lot there? What did you mean there's still.
18:46
Speaker 1: A lot there? There's not still a lot there. That's
18:49
Speaker 1: not what I meant. I withdraw that because there is
18:52
Speaker 1: not still a lot there. I think so much came
18:55
Speaker 1: out yesterday in this press conference. So I'm going to
19:00
Speaker 1: leave it up to people of Victoria to cast their
19:02
Speaker 1: vote on November the 28th who they want to vote
19:05
Speaker 1: for in Victoria. And I tell you what, the support
19:08
Speaker 1: that he's getting tells me that people are not interested
19:11
Speaker 1: in this. 20 years ago, I've taken some drugs. So what?
19:15
Speaker 1: You know, 20 years ago. And if you want to
19:17
Speaker 1: hang that around his neck, well, then pity you, Chris, Kenny,
19:21
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of people out there and
19:22
Speaker 1: members of parliament who are pedophilias, who actually have been
19:27
Speaker 1: members of parliament jailed and are the members of parliament
19:30
Speaker 1: that have been jailed for lesser crimes, you know, for
19:33
Speaker 1: worse crimes. than what it is taking some drugs 20-odd
19:37
Speaker 1: years ago when they're in their 20s.
19:39
Speaker 2: Pauline, you know what my question was about? My question was.
19:42
Speaker 3: About his honesty, given he had denied the allegations just
19:45
Speaker 3: days ago.
19:46
Speaker 2: That is the point that's pertinent now.
19:47
Speaker 1: You go and ask. You know what, Chris? You get
19:50
Speaker 1: him on your program and you ask him, all right?
19:52
Speaker 2: I will. I will do that.
19:54
Speaker 3: I had him on last week. I didn't know about
19:56
Speaker 3: these allegations then. Thanks for joining us, Pauline. Great to
19:59
Speaker 3: catch up with you when there's so much going on.
20:01
Speaker 3: I'd better just ask you quickly, if I squeeze some
20:03
Speaker 3: more time out of it, Of course, the polls today.
20:07
Speaker 2: This is the point.
20:07
Speaker 3: As I pointed out at the top of the program,
20:09
Speaker 3: not just all these controversies, you're dominating the polls, surging
20:13
Speaker 3: ahead of Labor now by 4%.
20:15
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
20:18
Speaker 1: Chris, the polls. The real election day, that's when the
20:22
Speaker 1: true count from the Australian people. But those people who
20:25
Speaker 1: are in polling saying they want to support One Nation,
20:27
Speaker 1: I thank you very much, but we've still got a
20:29
Speaker 1: hell of a job ahead of us. And I'm just
20:32
Speaker 1: concerned about the people out there to raise the issues,
20:36
Speaker 1: the cost of living, and try and deal with the
20:37
Speaker 1: mass migration. That's what we're more interested in. Forget about
20:41
Speaker 1: the polls. I'm not interested in polls.
20:44
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Pauline. I appreciate it. Pauline Hanson,
20:47
Speaker 3: the One Nation founder and leader there, live from Canberra.
20:50
Speaker 3: And aren't they making some news just at the moment?
20:53
Speaker 3: As I said, the three issues at the moment are
20:55
Speaker 3: One Nation, One Nation... and One Nation. Fascinating stuff there.
20:58
Speaker 3: But clarifying that Pauline Hanson does not accuse Andrew Hastie
21:04
Speaker 3: of being a traitor. Rather, she respects his military service.
21:08
Speaker 3: But she's going to leave that satirical cartoon up online regardless.
21:12
Speaker 3: We'll see what flows from all that in coming hours
21:15
Speaker 3: and coming days. I want to go to the issue
21:18
Speaker 3: of anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian propaganda in our schools now. We know
21:25
Speaker 3: teachers have been actively in some of this stuff, and
21:28
Speaker 3: we've seen some ugly things said and displayed by students
21:32
Speaker 3: at protests. Well, the community activist, Jewish community activist Marnie Pearlstein,
21:37
Speaker 3: has posted about some of the material that's being bandied
21:40
Speaker 3: about in our schools on Instagram.
21:42
Speaker 2: Have a look.
21:43
Speaker 7: If you're wondering how our school system got wrapped up
21:47
Speaker 7: in the cult of Palestinianism, Look no further.
21:51
Speaker 13: Just listen to.
21:51
Speaker 12: The ideologies underpinning both of these documents. They both call
21:55
Speaker 12: for education departments to create discussions around the genocide in
22:00
Speaker 12: Gaza and Australia's complicity in said genocide.
22:05
Speaker 2: Let's go live to Marnie Pearlstein.
22:07
Speaker 3: Now, Marnie, thanks for joining us and thanks for doing
22:10
Speaker 3: that clip and bringing this stuff to our attention. I've
22:13
Speaker 3: seen the documents that you were referring to there. And
22:17
Speaker 3: it's just lies and propaganda. Teachers actually encouraging other teachers,
22:22
Speaker 3: with the support of the union in Victoria at least,
22:25
Speaker 3: to tell lies about genocide and apartheid perpetrated by Israel
22:31
Speaker 3: against Palestinians.
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Speaker 7: That's right, Chris. You know, it's framed with a binary
22:37
Speaker 7: narrative of the brown, oppressed Palestinian community and the white
22:42
Speaker 7: Israeli oppressors, which in itself is misleading because Israelis are
22:47
Speaker 7: Middle Eastern and they themselves are brown. But at no
22:50
Speaker 7: time in these documents is October 7 mentioned, at no
22:55
Speaker 7: time is Hamas mentioned, and terms like genocide, apartheid, ethnic
23:01
Speaker 7: cleansing are thrown around misrepresenting the entire conflict. I think
23:09
Speaker 7: the really frightening thing about the documents is that it
23:11
Speaker 7: conflates the Gaza-Israel conflict with the plight of Australian First
23:18
Speaker 7: Nations people, and that means that the tone of both
23:21
Speaker 7: of these documents is anti-white, anti-Western, anti-Australian, and that's really
23:28
Speaker 7: dangerous when you think that that's flowing through our school system.
23:32
Speaker 7: The other thing I think that is very concerning is
23:35
Speaker 7: why are these the only organised.
23:39
Speaker 7: Activist documents that we are seeing as being prevalent in
23:44
Speaker 7: the Australian school system? Why are we not hearing, for example,
23:49
Speaker 7: about teachers for Ukraine or teachers for Iran? So I
23:56
Speaker 7: do think it's really concerning, and particularly when you consider
24:00
Speaker 7: that in the time since October 7, 2023, anti-Semitism has
24:03
Speaker 7: risen by 500%. in Australia.
24:09
Speaker 1: And I think.
24:09
Speaker 7: Documents and organisations and movements like this are really contributing
24:14
Speaker 7: to that.
24:15
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that.
24:16
Speaker 3: That's why it troubles me so much, because it leads
24:19
Speaker 3: to the and the hatred that has been manifested in
24:23
Speaker 3: this country over the past few years, then the problem
24:25
Speaker 3: is also, apart from being hateful and divisive, to portray
24:29
Speaker 3: the conflict as one between oppressors and the oppressed or
24:33
Speaker 3: between the Indigenous and the colonisers is.
24:36
Speaker 2: Just historically wrong. It is so wrong.
24:39
Speaker 3: So they are teaching our kids lies and it can
24:42
Speaker 3: only breed hatred.
24:43
Speaker 2: And what they leave out of the equation.
24:46
Speaker 3: is Islamist extremism. They completely leave out the way that
24:50
Speaker 3: organisations like Hamas and Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad portray themselves
24:55
Speaker 3: as some sort of liberation force for Palestinians when their
24:58
Speaker 3: whole charter, their whole philosophy and ideology is to eliminate
25:02
Speaker 3: Jews and eliminate infidels of all kinds.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely. And I think it's even worse than that. Apart
25:10
Speaker 7: from what they leave out, it's also what they include.
25:13
Speaker 7: that is so dangerous. There is a sentence in there
25:17
Speaker 7: that actually says, curriculum writers, policy makers and the teaching
25:21
Speaker 7: profession cannot be neutral, unbiased and objective. Indeed, within the
25:25
Speaker 7: Australian context, these words have been used to justify a
25:28
Speaker 7: pro-Israel position and the government's complicity in genocide. So they
25:33
Speaker 7: are asking teachers to not teach with any level of objectivity... Yep...
25:40
Speaker 7: and no neutrality.
25:41
Speaker 2: They deliberately... They're pulling propaganda.
25:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're deliberately using teachers as activists to try and
25:48
Speaker 3: recruit our children or at least brainwash our children.
25:52
Speaker 2: As activists as well. It is disgraceful. Thanks for bringing
25:55
Speaker 2: it to our attention.
25:56
Speaker 3: I just want to finish on the petition that you're
25:58
Speaker 3: running to try and extend the Royal Commission and have
26:01
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister and the Home Affairs Minister appear. This
26:05
Speaker 3: is what everybody in the country thinks makes sense. You've
26:08
Speaker 3: got 10,000 signatures. We really need to boost that number.
26:11
Speaker 3: We should have 10 times as many signatures on that petition.
26:15
Speaker 3: How can people find it and sign up, Marnie?
26:17
Speaker 7: People can either follow me on Instagram at Marnie Pearlstein
26:21
Speaker 7: and there's a link in my bio or go straight
26:23
Speaker 7: to change.org and look up extension to the Royal Commission.
26:27
Speaker 7: We definitely need more signatures and we definitely need to
26:30
Speaker 7: make sure that, you know, the documents like these are
26:33
Speaker 7: presented as evidence if there is an extension to the
26:37
Speaker 7: Royal Commission.
26:39
Speaker 2: Well said, Marnie. Thanks so much for joining us.
26:41
Speaker 3: Marnie Pearlstein there is a community activist, the Australian Jewish community.
26:44
Speaker 2: I just want to finish. I mentioned that actually I
26:46
Speaker 2: want to show you this book.
26:47
Speaker 3: This is my personal copy of Bondi Terror, The Tragedy,
26:51
Speaker 3: The Courage, The Aftermath by my colleague Shari Markson and
26:55
Speaker 3: Alex Rivchen. I've got one of the first copies hot
26:57
Speaker 3: off the presses that Shari was kind enough to give
27:00
Speaker 3: me last night.
27:02
Speaker 2: I read 120 pages on the plane on the way over.
27:05
Speaker 3: It is heartbreaking and incredibly powerful in its detail. I've
27:11
Speaker 3: got all the rest to go, but I'll recommend that
27:13
Speaker 3: book to you. It's going to be officially launched tomorrow
27:14
Speaker 3: afternoon in Sydney. Unfortunately, I can't be there. I'm here
27:17
Speaker 3: in Adelaide for a commemoration service for a very, very
27:20
Speaker 3: special person. But that book launched tomorrow for Shari and
27:23
Speaker 3: Alex Rivchen. I wish them all the best for that
27:26
Speaker 3: on tomorrow night. And on Monday night, they'll both join
27:29
Speaker 3: me here on the program.
27:32
Speaker 2: So we'll get to a break now.
27:33
Speaker 3: We'll talk about Donald Trump. He's been lording the heroes
27:37
Speaker 3: of 9-11. Talk about Islamist extremism. And we'll also want
27:40
Speaker 3: to talk about the blockade that's hurting Iran now. Tom
27:43
Speaker 3: Switzer will join me next. US President Donald Trump has
27:51
Speaker 3: praised the heroes who responded to the 9-11 terror attack
27:56
Speaker 3: 25 years ago this week during a ceremony in.
27:59
Speaker 2: Washington, D.C. Here's the latest from our Washington correspondent, Jonathan Kersley.
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Speaker 8: Several days out from the 25th anniversary of the 9-11
28:07
Speaker 8: terror attacks that claimed almost 3,000 lives, President Trump has
28:11
Speaker 8: welcomed some of the first responders and victims' families to
28:14
Speaker 8: the grounds near the White House.
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Speaker 11: America will fight, America will endure and America will prevail.
28:20
Speaker 11: And nothing can keep our country down and our country
28:23
Speaker 11: stronger today than it's ever been before.
28:25
Speaker 8: At the same time, the president reminded the crowd the
28:28
Speaker 8: United States is once again involved in conflict, this time
28:31
Speaker 8: with Iran.
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Speaker 11: We're right now fighting because we have a certain nation
28:37
Speaker 11: that wanted a nuclear weapon. They were very close to
28:41
Speaker 11: getting it and now they have no chance of getting it.
28:46
Speaker 3: Let's bring in Tom Switzer, columnist with The Australian. Good
28:49
Speaker 3: to talk to you again, Tom. Let's get the big picture,
28:52
Speaker 3: strategic overview of the past 25 years then, because it
28:56
Speaker 3: was such a dramatic event, 9-11, that there's no doubt
29:00
Speaker 3: that the world has never been the same since then
29:02
Speaker 3: in strategic terms.
29:03
Speaker 6: Indeed, and those of us old enough remember where we
29:07
Speaker 6: were and what we were doing on that fateful day,
29:10
Speaker 6: September 11, 2001. It's a bit like for older Australians,
29:14
Speaker 6: where we were, what we were doing when President Kennedy
29:18
Speaker 6: was assassinated in November 1963. It's an exceedingly sad day,
29:23
Speaker 6: but it's also a reminder of the heroism involved on
29:26
Speaker 6: that day. The President, like other Presidents before him, quite
29:30
Speaker 6: rightly highlighting the important acts of heroism.
29:33
Speaker 2: And, you know, it.
29:34
Speaker 6: Ignited the global war on terror. We can talk about that.
29:37
Speaker 6: But today, and sorry this week on Friday will be
29:40
Speaker 6: a day to remember those who played an important role
29:43
Speaker 6: in saving lives and those of course who died the
29:45
Speaker 6: 3,000 Americans who died that day.
29:48
Speaker 3: Yeah you and I have different views on the war
29:50
Speaker 3: on terror various aspects of it and how it's played
29:53
Speaker 3: out and what the counterfactuals would have been but I
29:57
Speaker 3: mentioned to John Howard the other day, you know, those
29:59
Speaker 3: competing theories of the end of history and the clash
30:02
Speaker 3: of civilisations. It is still the case 25 years on
30:06
Speaker 3: that we have the clash of civilisations. You want to
30:09
Speaker 3: talk about the big strategic sort of flashpoints in the world.
30:14
Speaker 3: One of them, of course, is the rise of China,
30:17
Speaker 3: dominating China. East Asia and looking to dominate the globe,
30:21
Speaker 3: at least economically. But the other has to be still
30:25
Speaker 3: Islamist extremism and the way it's torn at the West
30:29
Speaker 3: and continues to tear at the West and the Middle
30:31
Speaker 3: East as we speak.
30:32
Speaker 6: The three big post-Cold War foreign policy theses, Francis Fukuyama's
30:38
Speaker 6: The End of History, which is the end point of
30:40
Speaker 6: the ideological evolution of humankind, the universalisation of market capitalism,
30:46
Speaker 6: the triumph of democracy, if you like, That clearly hasn't happened.
30:49
Speaker 2: The other big.
30:50
Speaker 6: Thesis was the Harvard professor Samuel Huntington's clash of civilisations.
30:54
Speaker 6: That looked very plausible after 9-11 because that ignited the
30:58
Speaker 6: global war on terror, particularly Sunni jihadism. But as we
31:01
Speaker 6: are facing now, we have a threat from Shia Iran.
31:04
Speaker 6: But I think the big post-Cold War thesis that is
31:07
Speaker 6: going to become more relevant over the next few decades
31:10
Speaker 6: is John Mearsheimer's The Tragedy of Great Power Politics. That
31:15
Speaker 6: was published in 2001. And this is that China's rise
31:21
Speaker 6: is really the big geopolitical threat facing our region, potentially
31:25
Speaker 6: the world. And America, as the reigning hegemon, will go
31:28
Speaker 6: to great lengths to make sure that China is contained.
31:32
Speaker 6: And let's hope he's right.
31:34
Speaker 3: Some of this overlaps, of course, because you talk about
31:37
Speaker 3: Shia Islamist terrorism.
31:39
Speaker 2: That's Iran.
31:40
Speaker 3: Iran has been the fulcrum of that. And, of course,
31:45
Speaker 3: the economic ties with China are critical in what's unfolding now.
31:48
Speaker 2: And what's been interesting just in the last.
31:50
Speaker 3: Couple of days is the US Treasury Secretary, Scott Bassett,
31:54
Speaker 3: talking about the effectiveness of the US blockade on Iran economically.
31:59
Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 13: This is the greatest economic isolation operation in the history
32:05
Speaker 13: of the world. We are going to asphyxiate this regime.
32:08
Speaker 13: The blockade's working. It's working like nothing we've ever seen.
32:12
Speaker 13: And the combination, you know, everyone says, oh, sanctions don't work.
32:15
Speaker 13: I can tell you, blockade and sanctions are one of
32:18
Speaker 13: the most powerful one-two punches in the history of economic isolation.
32:24
Speaker 3: Fascinating insights there, Tom, but people might say he would
32:28
Speaker 3: say that, wouldn't he? What evidence do we have of
32:31
Speaker 3: the economic strangulation of Iran?
32:34
Speaker 6: Well, I think the evidence is pretty clear that the
32:36
Speaker 6: United States is going to great lengths to help its
32:39
Speaker 6: Sunni Gulf allies export oil out of the Strait of
32:43
Speaker 6: Hormuz and surrounding areas while at the same time constraining
32:48
Speaker 6: Tehran's output. And to the extent that continues... that will
32:53
Speaker 6: strangle the Iranian economy.
32:56
Speaker 13: Now, bear in mind, Iran.
32:57
Speaker 6: Has reserves up until March of next year, so it's
33:00
Speaker 6: a long way off. But if the United States can
33:04
Speaker 6: maintain the naval blockade over the course of the next
33:07
Speaker 6: six or so months, that will put immense pressure on
33:11
Speaker 6: the mullahs in Tehran.
33:13
Speaker 3: Just one out of left field that just occurs to
33:16
Speaker 3: me because this plays into the whole Middle East and
33:18
Speaker 3: global security situation. But Speaking to Mark Regev the other day,
33:23
Speaker 3: he suggested that bringing Saudi Arabia into the Abraham Accords
33:27
Speaker 3: is still on the table, still something that Donald Trump
33:30
Speaker 3: really wants to achieve.
33:32
Speaker 2: That would be a game changer, wouldn't it?
33:34
Speaker 6: It would be, but I don't think that's likely. I
33:35
Speaker 6: think the key point for Saudi Arabia is that Israel
33:41
Speaker 6: recognises a two-state solution and we're a long way off
33:44
Speaker 6: from that. But nevertheless, the point is very clear. A
33:46
Speaker 6: lot of these Sunni Gulf states... They've been hit hard
33:50
Speaker 6: by Iran's ballistic missiles during the last six months. But
33:54
Speaker 6: their opposition to Tehran is as intense as ever. And
33:59
Speaker 6: so they are in cahoots, if you like, with the
34:02
Speaker 6: Americans to go to great lengths to make sure that
34:04
Speaker 6: Iran does not extend its sphere of influence in the
34:06
Speaker 6: Persian Gulf.
34:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, foolish governments like our own have recognised a non-existent
34:12
Speaker 3: state of Palestine, but it's probably further off now than
34:15
Speaker 3: it was three years ago, that's for sure. Thanks for
34:18
Speaker 3: joining us, Tom. I appreciate it. Tom Switzer there. You
34:20
Speaker 3: can read his stuff in The Australian. Look out for
34:22
Speaker 3: his podcast, Switzerland 2. Now, coming up after the break,
34:26
Speaker 3: I'm going to catch up with Dave Sharma because there
34:29
Speaker 3: have been more tax stuff-ups, can you believe, from this
34:32
Speaker 3: Albanese Labor government. Let's go to Canberra again and catch
34:40
Speaker 3: up with Shadow Assistant Minister for Citizenship, Dave Sharma.
34:43
Speaker 2: Dave, good of you to join us again.
34:45
Speaker 3: I want to start off on a couple of economic
34:47
Speaker 3: issues before I pick your brains on the Middle East
34:49
Speaker 3: or related matters in just a moment. First up, another
34:53
Speaker 3: tax stuff-up from this budget with this claim that... The
34:58
Speaker 3: trust taxation issue, complex. Jim Chalmers denied there was a problem,
35:04
Speaker 3: then he's put up legislation to fix it. But now
35:07
Speaker 3: a suggestion is it's turned into a newborn tax because
35:10
Speaker 3: if there's someone else born into the trust arrangements, it
35:13
Speaker 3: leads to higher tax.
35:16
Speaker 14: What we've had emerge from this budget so far, Chris,
35:18
Speaker 14: we've had a death tax, an inheritance tax, because of
35:22
Speaker 14: what was going to be happening to testamentary trusts. We've
35:25
Speaker 14: had a widow's tax where... if a couple separates or
35:28
Speaker 14: they lose a partner, they lose the negative gearing exemption
35:32
Speaker 14: for the investment property. And now we seemingly have a
35:34
Speaker 14: birth tax as well. I mean, there's no manner of
35:37
Speaker 14: life events that this government is not seeking to impact
35:40
Speaker 14: with their new taxes. This is just yet another stuff
35:44
Speaker 14: up that they're having to correct. If they'd gone through
35:46
Speaker 14: some proper processes, if they'd been up front with the
35:48
Speaker 14: public about their intention to introduce these new taxes during
35:52
Speaker 14: an election campaign, a lot of these problems could have
35:54
Speaker 14: been ironed out. But instead, You've got the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers,
35:57
Speaker 14: playing whack-a-mole, denying that there are new taxes but then
36:01
Speaker 14: having to rush legislative fixes to try and repair the
36:04
Speaker 14: damage he's created.
36:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's amazing to watch in Parliament is the way
36:08
Speaker 3: that Jim Chalmers is so smug. He pretends he's got
36:12
Speaker 3: everything under control, pretends the opposition is hassling him unnecessarily,
36:16
Speaker 3: while all these problems keep mounting. And meanwhile, of course,
36:20
Speaker 3: the economy's in so much strife. We've got a housing
36:24
Speaker 3: crisis that could be plummeting this nation into recession. We're
36:28
Speaker 3: looking at another interest rate rise. Here's the deputy of
36:31
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank on the ABC last night.
36:35
Speaker 15: We have one big problem, and that's inflation. Inflation is
36:38
Speaker 15: too high, and that's why we raise interest rates three
36:41
Speaker 15: times at the beginning.
36:42
Speaker 2: Of this year. There are three risks, we think.
36:46
Speaker 15: That might mean inflation is going up, not down. One
36:49
Speaker 15: is the Middle East and the ongoing crisis there. One
36:52
Speaker 15: is a really unexpected global boom driven by AI, and
36:56
Speaker 15: one is the weakness of the supply potential of the
37:00
Speaker 15: Australian economy.
37:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew Houser there, who's the Deputy Reserve Bank Governor,
37:05
Speaker 3: suggesting another interest rate rise could be.
37:07
Speaker 2: On the way.
37:08
Speaker 3: Of course, the big factor he leaves out there is
37:11
Speaker 3: continued record government spending.
37:16
Speaker 2: Look, that's right.
37:16
Speaker 14: I'd say continued record government spending and basically the government's
37:22
Speaker 14: stifling or contracting of productivity in the economy, which means
37:25
Speaker 14: that the economy can no longer grow at a normal
37:28
Speaker 14: rate without setting off inflationary pressures, and the Reserve Bank has...
37:31
Speaker 14: said that andrew house's boss michelle bullock has said that
37:34
Speaker 14: a number of times the speed limit on the australian
37:36
Speaker 14: economy now is basically two percent any higher than that
37:39
Speaker 14: puts inflationary pressure on i'd point out as well the
37:42
Speaker 14: the rba's preferred measure of inflation um core inflation has
37:47
Speaker 14: now been outside their target band for four years so
37:50
Speaker 14: we're nowhere near getting on top of inflation we've had
37:52
Speaker 14: 15 interest rate rises under this labor government uh since
37:56
Speaker 14: they've been in office. We've had three just this year,
37:58
Speaker 14: and all the indications are there'll be yet another interest
38:01
Speaker 14: rate rise, which will deal yet another blow to households.
38:05
Speaker 3: Now, I've been critical of coalition tactics, I suppose, therefore
38:08
Speaker 3: indirectly critical of Angus Taylor this week, because I thought
38:12
Speaker 3: it warranted some pertinent, pointed parliamentary questions this week to
38:18
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister about his absence at the Royal Commission,
38:22
Speaker 3: about his potential culpability over the Bondi terrorist attack after
38:27
Speaker 3: Mike Burgess, the ASIO boss, said he issued the warnings, but.
38:31
Speaker 2: It was up to others to take more action. Now,
38:34
Speaker 2: those others must include the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Why is the Coalition going soft on Albanese over this
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Speaker 3: crucial issue?
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Speaker 14: I've said a number of times, Chris, I believe Anthony
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Speaker 14: Albanese and other senior cabinet ministers should have appeared at
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Speaker 14: the Royal Commission. I believe the Royal Commission would have
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Speaker 14: benefited from their appearance. And I think Mike Burgess's interview
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Speaker 14: with Shari Markson and Alex Rivchin's book, which has been
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Speaker 14: excerpted in the newspapers over the weekend, begs entirely that
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Speaker 14: question because Mike Burgess seems to be saying, I warned people,
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Speaker 14: people in government, but they weren't really listening or it
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Speaker 14: was up to them to take action. And I think
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Speaker 14: we need to know, you know, what was that warning?
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Speaker 14: What steps did the government take in response? Which of
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Speaker 14: Mike Burgess's warnings did they choose to ignore? And I
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Speaker 14: think those are questions that only the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 14: members of the National Security Committee of Cabinet can answer
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Speaker 14: to the public's satisfaction.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they won't appear at the.
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Speaker 3: Royal Commission, but perhaps you could just chuck in that
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Speaker 3: suggestion at Parliamentary Tactics.
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Speaker 2: Maybe a question to the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Quoting Mike Burgess, might be relevant and worthwhile for the country.
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Speaker 3: Just before I let you go, Dave, as a former
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Speaker 3: Australian ambassador to Israel, I want your thoughts on what
39:47
Speaker 3: the UK.
39:48
Speaker 2: has done. Here's the latest from their Foreign Secretary, Ed Miliband.
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Speaker 5: The situation in Palestine is a moral emergency. What the
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Speaker 5: Netanyahu government is doing in Gaza is a stain on
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Speaker 5: the conscience of the world. And there is increasing evidence
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Speaker 5: war crimes appear to have been committed. And we're witnessing
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Speaker 5: unprecedented settler terrorism in the West Bank. We will not
40:08
Speaker 5: stand by. We're going to be stronger in standing up
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Speaker 5: for what is right.
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Speaker 3: More sanctions against Israel, more demonisation of Israel. Doesn't this
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Speaker 3: just encourage the terrorists rather than help to defeat them?
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Speaker 14: Well, I don't think this will do anything to address,
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Speaker 14: you know, the concerns that are supposedly behind this policy.
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Speaker 14: I mean, you know, bear in mind Israel's about six
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Speaker 14: weeks away from an election. You throw in, you know,
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Speaker 14: new sanctions from a foreign government, and what that does is,
40:37
Speaker 14: you know, it fuels the more nationalistic elements in all-body politics,
40:42
Speaker 14: and it certainly will be the case in Israel. I
40:44
Speaker 14: think this is about, for the UK government, look, I
40:47
Speaker 14: won't speak to, I won't guess what it's about. I
40:49
Speaker 14: don't want to ascribe motives to them, but I don't
40:52
Speaker 14: think it's likely to have an impact on the ground.
40:53
Speaker 14: Maybe it helps please their supporters at home, but I
40:57
Speaker 14: don't think it's, you know, I think my view is
41:00
Speaker 14: the way to influence the situation in the Middle East
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Speaker 14: is through more dialogue, more engagement with Israel, but also
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Speaker 14: with Israel's neighbours. And, you know, helping to make sure
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Speaker 14: that the Gaza ceasefire deal, which is meant to involve
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Speaker 14: Hamas disarming, is actually implemented and honoured.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I could not agree more. I think it's tragic.
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Speaker 3: And sadly, I think the Australian foreign policy is heading
41:23
Speaker 3: down the same dead end. Thanks for joining us, Dave.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Dave Sharma there. Live from Canberra, we'll
41:29
Speaker 3: go to a break. On the other side, the Wednesday
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Speaker 3: wrangle with Justin Smith and Jamie. Our taxes through the roof.
41:35
Speaker 3: But on the good news, if you like this sort
41:37
Speaker 3: of stuff, the royal news, Prince.
41:39
Speaker 2: George off to Eton College. Good on him, old chap.
41:46
Speaker 3: Let's get into the Wednesday wrangle with Jamie Johnston, host
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Speaker 3: of the Just Jamie podcast. Joining us again, thanks for
41:52
Speaker 3: joining us, Jamie, and columnist, Melbourne author.
41:55
Speaker 2: Broadcaster, Justin Smith.
41:57
Speaker 3: Let's get straight into One Nation, guys, and all the
42:00
Speaker 3: controversy around the place. I had the opportunity at the
42:03
Speaker 3: top of the program to raise the two latest controversies
42:07
Speaker 3: directly with Pauline Hanson. We saw throughout the day the attack,
42:11
Speaker 3: counterattack by Andrew Hastie against One Nation for calling him
42:16
Speaker 3: a traitor in their cartoons. Let's have a look at
42:19
Speaker 3: some of Pauline Hanson's response tonight. Pauline, you can clear
42:23
Speaker 3: this up very easily, though. Can you say clearly now
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Speaker 3: that you do not believe Andrew Hastie is a traitor,
42:29
Speaker 3: you actually respect him as a veteran?
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Speaker 1: Of course I do. Of course I do. I don't
42:36
Speaker 1: think he's a traitor and I respect him for his
42:38
Speaker 1: services that he's done for Australia.
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Speaker 3: Well, Justin, that's something. She does not think he's a traitor.
42:45
Speaker 3: She's clearly saying he's not a traitor. But a cartoon
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Speaker 3: saying as much, bought for, paid for and spread by
42:51
Speaker 3: One Nation will remain online, apparently.
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Speaker 16: Well, I think, and hello to both of you, I think,
42:57
Speaker 16: you know, when it comes to talking about Pauline, I
43:00
Speaker 16: think we should start with one basic premise, is that
43:02
Speaker 16: largely she's full of crap. And when she was told,
43:05
Speaker 16: she said, oh, it's only satire. And she wrote it
43:08
Speaker 16: off as only satire. Well, you know, doing a quick
43:10
Speaker 16: Google search, didn't Pauline Hanson try and take legal action
43:16
Speaker 16: against the satirist that was also going after her? So
43:19
Speaker 16: let's kind of. Put it in perspective. But you are
43:21
Speaker 16: asking good questions. I've got to say, Chris Kenny, I
43:24
Speaker 16: love that tussle. You're a sad loss to the.
43:26
Speaker 2: Left, mate. You know, we... You know, come on over, baby.
43:31
Speaker 3: The water's fine, you know. The One Nation supporters didn't
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Speaker 3: like it. My inbox is full of abuse already. But
43:40
Speaker 3: it's a critical point. And the thing is, of course... that, Jamie,
43:47
Speaker 3: you get into this murky area of satire, right? I mean,
43:50
Speaker 3: there is satire, there is comedy, and there's great satirical licence.
43:54
Speaker 3: And Mark Nicholson, who makes those cartoons, I've loved having
43:58
Speaker 3: him on the show the past few years. Now he's
44:00
Speaker 3: a One Nation candidate, which changes the mix a little bit.
44:04
Speaker 3: But this is a joke, but it's very clearly calling
44:07
Speaker 3: Andrew Hastie a traitor and it will stay online. So
44:11
Speaker 3: does he have a right to complain about that and
44:13
Speaker 3: ask for it to be taken down?
44:15
Speaker 17: Look, I can see both sides to this. I saw
44:18
Speaker 17: your interview with Pauline. It was mighty fiery. But I
44:21
Speaker 17: also agree with what she said. I've watched a lot
44:24
Speaker 17: of those cartoons and I've been a big fan of
44:27
Speaker 17: Andrew Hastie. I was following his social media in January
44:30
Speaker 17: when he spoke out against the government's extremism law. And
44:35
Speaker 17: he was saying that this was not going through due
44:37
Speaker 17: parliamentary process, that it needed months of scrutiny, that it
44:41
Speaker 17: needed public debate. And within 48 hours, he went and
44:44
Speaker 17: supported it. And I watched his social media blow up
44:47
Speaker 17: with people saying he was nothing but a traitor. So
44:49
Speaker 17: when Pauline says that, you know, that is what it
44:52
Speaker 17: was referring to, not being a traitor to his country,
44:56
Speaker 17: but what his supporters themselves were saying, then, yeah.
45:01
Speaker 3: It's... It's a hard argument for Pauline. It doesn't cut
45:04
Speaker 3: the mustard because the cartoon specifically refers to that issue, yes,
45:09
Speaker 3: but also Ben Robert Smith.
45:10
Speaker 2: But, yeah, it is a fascinating one.
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Speaker 3: And I was just pleased to hear Pauline Hanson put
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Speaker 3: on the record that she does respect Andrew Hastie's service
45:20
Speaker 3: and she does not think he's a traitor. And I've
45:23
Speaker 3: had a text from Barnaby Joyce who makes the same point.
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Speaker 3: He says very clearly he's never accused Andrew Hastie of
45:31
Speaker 3: being a traitor, and he never would, and he respects
45:33
Speaker 3: his service too. So that's good to have that clarified
45:36
Speaker 3: from the two of them, yet the cartoon, of course,
45:38
Speaker 3: is still out there. Maybe this will boost the views,
45:41
Speaker 3: no doubt, which will be interesting for One.
45:44
Speaker 2: Nation as well.
45:45
Speaker 3: Let's get to the Warren Pickering situation. I asked Pauline
45:49
Speaker 3: Hanson about that, and I kind of predictably, she goes, oh,
45:52
Speaker 3: you're trying to destroy a guy for what he did
45:54
Speaker 3: 20 years ago.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing nothing of the sort.
45:56
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's quite fine for him to
45:58
Speaker 3: get out there on the record and to confess about
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Speaker 3: what he did and how he's got his life together
46:02
Speaker 3: since then. I think the real point is about whether
46:06
Speaker 3: he's lied about that in recent days.
46:08
Speaker 2: Have a look. He said that the.
46:10
Speaker 3: Allegations being made against him by his former partner are false.
46:14
Speaker 3: They are extremely hurtful and I just hope the public
46:17
Speaker 3: can see through them.
46:18
Speaker 2: Now, if he's denying these.
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Speaker 3: Allegations just days ago but admitting to them in a
46:23
Speaker 3: full press conference yesterday, doesn't that call into question his
46:28
Speaker 3: honesty in the here and now?
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Speaker 1: No, it's not, because she.
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Speaker 1: Chris, I'm not going to go into... This is actually
46:35
Speaker 1: personal matter.
46:36
Speaker 2: But he denied it all. He denied it all, and
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Speaker 2: then yesterday... It.
46:40
Speaker 1: Is a shame to come... That it's come to this. No,
46:42
Speaker 1: because there were other allegations there. That was not.
46:46
Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Jamie? Does he have a problem?
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Speaker 17: I don't think so. If this was 20 days ago,
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Speaker 17: 20 weeks ago, 20 months ago, I'd get it. But
46:56
Speaker 17: this is 20 years ago.
46:57
Speaker 2: And I don't know.
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Speaker 17: Look, I think the man's got a past. As far
47:02
Speaker 17: as I saw, he owned up to everything and he
47:04
Speaker 17: had his family.
47:05
Speaker 3: But he denied that past. But, Jamie, he denied that
47:07
Speaker 3: past just days ago. That's the point.
47:10
Speaker 17: Well, I really respect the fact that his family stood
47:13
Speaker 17: with him yesterday and, you know, said that he was
47:16
Speaker 17: a guy that was a wonderful father to them and.
47:18
Speaker 2: Come on, Jamie.
47:20
Speaker 13: Oh, come on.
47:21
Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what, it was a hell of
47:23
Speaker 3: a press conference, Justin. I don't think I've ever seen
47:25
Speaker 3: politicians up there talking about exploring their sexuality before.
47:30
Speaker 2: No, no, that's... Well, that is a first. But if
47:34
Speaker 2: One Nation weren't ready.
47:35
Speaker 16: Let's go back to the start of this too and say,
47:38
Speaker 16: once again, full of crap. But if they weren't geared
47:41
Speaker 16: up for this, if they didn't know that they were
47:44
Speaker 16: going to have to have a discussion like this about
47:46
Speaker 16: Warren Pickering, then they're idiots. Because that's, you know, he's
47:51
Speaker 16: running for as leader of a party, which could be
47:54
Speaker 16: a major party in Victoria very soon. So if they
47:57
Speaker 16: weren't geared up for it, then they're absolute fools. And,
48:01
Speaker 16: I mean, I think one of the most telling things
48:04
Speaker 16: that Pauline Hanson said in that fiery interview with you,
48:07
Speaker 16: Chris Kenny, was this... We didn't have to have that
48:10
Speaker 16: press conference. Well, Pauline, yes, you bloody did, because you're
48:13
Speaker 16: running an election in November. So, you know, yes, you
48:17
Speaker 16: have to have these press conferences and answer these questions.
48:20
Speaker 16: That's incredibly telling from Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 3: All right, just a quick one before we run out
48:27
Speaker 3: of time. Bonnie Prince George is off to Eton College,
48:31
Speaker 3: only the best for the Royals, of course, is what
48:33
Speaker 3: you'd expect. I think it's just outside Windsor Castle, isn't it,
48:38
Speaker 3: Eton College? And when you see the students there, they
48:40
Speaker 3: usually have their little top hats and fancy outfits. But
48:43
Speaker 3: a fine young fellow, Jamie, about 13 years of age,
48:47
Speaker 3: and I suppose he one day could be our head
48:52
Speaker 3: of state.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
48:53
Speaker 17: He's the exact same age my husband was when he
48:56
Speaker 17: did a short stint at boarding school in Canberra. And
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Speaker 17: he still speaks about that as a really defining moment
49:03
Speaker 17: in his childhood. And look, I think it's going to
49:06
Speaker 17: be good for George. We're going back to, I think,
49:08
Speaker 17: more than 110 years of family history of them attending
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Speaker 17: this school. And, you know, hopefully he'll be seen as
49:16
Speaker 17: being George on level one and not.
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Speaker 2: The royal family.
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Speaker 3: A lot of kids hate boarding school. He'll love it
49:22
Speaker 3: because you'll get away from all those bloody royals, maybe,
49:24
Speaker 3: although they'll just be across the road in Windsor. Thanks
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Speaker 3: for joining us, guys. Justin and Jamie, we'll catch you
49:30
Speaker 3: next week. Just a little bit of your feedback from
49:32
Speaker 3: what we had to say last night about Canada and
49:35
Speaker 3: how it's tackled its housing crisis. One viewer saying, even
49:38
Speaker 3: Canada can cut immigration. Australian Labor is importing votes. And
49:43
Speaker 3: another viewer says, no, wait, if you stop letting in
49:45
Speaker 3: millions and millions of foreigners, young people can buy a
49:48
Speaker 3: home and you can stop inflation.
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Speaker 2: No way. Indeed, Canada did it. Thanks for joining me.
49:54
Speaker 3: Caleb Bond will be in the chair tomorrow night. And
49:57
Speaker 3: don't forget, we'll have Shari and Alex Richen talk about
50:00
Speaker 3: that brilliant book, Bondi Terror, Monday night.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you then. Here's Peter Credlin.