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One on One: Kathleen Wilhoite · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, let's kiss you.
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  Speaker 2: I am all in with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcasts one
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  Speaker 1: of them productions iHeartRadio. One on one interview with my
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  Speaker 1: sister Liz Danes. Kathleen Wilhoyt Here she comes. Let me
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  Speaker 1: give you some of her staffs. She played the role
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  Speaker 1: of Liz for sixteen episodes two thousand and four two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven. First appearance season four, episode twelve, A
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  Speaker 1: Family Matter. Last appearance, season seven, episode twenty two, bon Voyage.
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  Speaker 1: Liz is the younger sister of Luke Danes. She was
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  Speaker 1: born and raised and stars Hollow. Follow her mother's death,
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  Speaker 1: Liz began to cut loose and get into trouble, including
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  Speaker 1: smoking pot. She met Jimmy Mariano at a festival. The
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  Speaker 1: two married and Liz gave birth to a son, Jess Marianno.
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy left her right after the birth of Jess, and
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  Speaker 1: Liz began a series of bad relationships, drug problems, had
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  Speaker 1: trouble keeping a job, and was unsure of how to
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  Speaker 1: raise her son. Let me tell you something a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about Kathleen Wilhoyd's career, and it's an amazing one.
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  Speaker 1: She began acting in theatrical production as a child the
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  Speaker 1: Santa Barbara Youth Theater. She attended the University of Southern
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  Speaker 1: California before studying acting at the Lease Strasbourg Institute in
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles. She made her feature film debut in Private
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  Speaker 1: School nineteen eighty three, before having a leading role in
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  Speaker 1: Murphy's Law nineteen eighty six, followed by supporting parts in
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  Speaker 1: Witchboard in nineteen eighty six, Crossing Delancey nineteen eighty eight,
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  Speaker 1: Roadhouse nineteen eighty nine with Patrick Swayze, Lorenzo's Oil nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety two. Show also had notable guest starring roles on
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  Speaker 1: several series during this time, including Twin Peaks nineteen ninety.
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  Speaker 1: Beginning in nineteen ninety four, will Hoyd appeared as Chloe
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  Speaker 1: Lewis in the recurring guest staring role on the series
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  Speaker 1: Er and voiced the role of the titular character on
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  Speaker 1: the ABC animated series Pepper Ann nineteen ninety seven to
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  Speaker 1: two thousand. Other notable film roles during the nineties include
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  Speaker 1: science fiction thriller Fire in This Guy in nineteen ninety three,
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  Speaker 1: and the survival film The Edge nineteen ninety seven. In
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and three, she was cast in a recurring
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  Speaker 1: role as Liz Danes on Gilmore Girls, and has subsequently
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  Speaker 1: had guest staring roles on Criminal Minds, Grey's Anatomy, Jane
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  Speaker 1: the Virgin, and in twenty twenty she a guest starred
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  Speaker 1: on an episode of Yellowstone and Coat. Can most recently
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  Speaker 1: be seen in CSI Vegas, Ladies and Gentlemen, I give
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  Speaker 1: you my sister, Kathleen Willhoyd. There she is, Hi, Sis,
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  Speaker 1: you doing good looking, great, great backgrounds. We uh you
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  Speaker 1: know the fan we are just such huge fans. The
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  Speaker 1: the there needs there needed to be more Liz more TJ.
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  Speaker 1: It was the most hilarious stuff. Uh. We are lauding
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  Speaker 1: the performances. Just absolute comic genius and just heartfelt great stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us how you got your start in show business?
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  Speaker 1: How did it all begin?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Uh, I was a kid that came out of
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  Speaker 2: the shoots saying watch me. So I was like a
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  Speaker 2: natural born theater dork. And I started singing in my
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  Speaker 2: church choir as a you know, in kindergarten, and I'd
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  Speaker 2: get the solos, so, you know, whatever, I started getting
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  Speaker 2: involved in musical theater, just a theater kind of dork
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  Speaker 2: dorky kid. And then in high school I dated Tony
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  Speaker 2: Edwards and Eric Stoltz, you know, at first and then
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  Speaker 2: Eric and both those guys were working in to Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Edwards and Eric Stoltz. Anthony or Tony had an age
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  Speaker 2: and manager. They had the same manager, this guy Gary,
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  Speaker 2: And they invited Gary to my senior class play was
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  Speaker 2: House of Blue Leaves, and Gary came to the play
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't hear from him. And then I went
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  Speaker 2: down to college at USC. I was there for about
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  Speaker 2: six weeks. Gary calls me. He's like, listen, they want
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  Speaker 2: a comedian to play sixteen. Why don't you go to
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  Speaker 2: this address? And they want to meet you. So I
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  Speaker 2: go to the address. It was a huge house, as
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  Speaker 2: this guy ben Ephrem's house. They were having a party,
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  Speaker 2: so I just almost assumed I had the part. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even know that it was necessarily an audition, and
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  Speaker 2: they said, hey, will you read with Phoebe Kate's I
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  Speaker 2: was like sure, but you know, just that kind of
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  Speaker 2: bullet proof naive ta. I just didn't have any I
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  Speaker 2: never really beat the streets. I wasn't like nervous, because
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. I just went from lead in the high
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  Speaker 2: school play to of course they want me kind of
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  Speaker 2: a mentality. Since then, I've had rumorous humbling blows time.
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  Speaker 2: I was like pretty freaking bulletproof. And then I just
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  Speaker 2: so I went upstairs red with Phoebe. She was great fun.
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  Speaker 2: And then that was on a Friday, and then drove
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  Speaker 2: to the set on a Monday. So yeah, so my
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  Speaker 2: whole life changed in a weekend.
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  Speaker 1: It was meant to be.
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  Speaker 2: I guess. I mean, I didn't really think that I
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  Speaker 2: was going to do anything else, but I just liked
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  Speaker 2: singing and acting.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So do you remember the audition for Liz.
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  Speaker 2: No, because there wasn't an audition. I was. They offered
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  Speaker 2: me the part, and I I love getting offers and
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  Speaker 2: not auditioning to such an extent that if they offered
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  Speaker 2: me the part of you know, a day player person
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  Speaker 2: who changes porta potties, I would take it. I was
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  Speaker 2: just like, what audition I'm in? And so I I, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they offered me the part. I was thrilled. And then
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  Speaker 2: I do have a memory with you because day one
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  Speaker 2: was the eight page scene I think around I feel
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  Speaker 2: like it was all about finding pot or something. But
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  Speaker 2: it was an eight page scene. That's not anything that
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  Speaker 2: I was ever used to at the on Er or
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  Speaker 2: any of the other shows. You sit in the makeup
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  Speaker 2: trailer trailer, you look at your lines. I got it,
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  Speaker 2: and then you put on the set because you have
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  Speaker 2: like two three lines in a big scene. This was
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  Speaker 2: a mind screw, like a mind.
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  Speaker 1: I know what you want.
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  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like duck, yes.
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  Speaker 2: My duck, and you you know you are doing a
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  Speaker 2: First of all, it's totally stylized, which my age. They
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  Speaker 2: told me before I showed up on the set, they
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  Speaker 2: were like, listen, you gotta talk fast. That's the style
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  Speaker 2: of this. It's like doing Moliere, is what I tell
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  Speaker 2: my students. Doing Gilmore Girls is like doing a period piece.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different language and you have to know it.
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  Speaker 2: You have to be word perfect. So it was a
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  Speaker 2: huge trial by fire for me to be to have
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  Speaker 2: to do an eight page scene from my very first
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  Speaker 2: scene with an offer, only because I always feel like
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get fired, like they're going to find out,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, no talent that I am
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. And but you were very patient with me,
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  Speaker 2: and there was a lot of like back to one,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, uh instead of like what yeah, you said, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: It's it's okay. Back to one here we come.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect.
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  Speaker 2: The minute my head hit the pillow, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: it was crazy. That's hard work. My hat's off to you.
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  Speaker 2: You did that for years and years. You must be
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  Speaker 2: really good, Lauren said. It's like a muscle, and you
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  Speaker 2: just get really good at at memorizing, you know, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Being It's like it starts out like you said, it
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  Speaker 1: starts out as panic, yeah, and then you just get
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  Speaker 1: acclimated to it and then it just becomes like She's right,
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  Speaker 1: it's like a muscle, and it's short term memory. You
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  Speaker 1: don't remember a thing you did the day before, maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe twenty forty eight hours. It's just washed out to
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  Speaker 1: make room for the new stuff to come in. Because
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  Speaker 1: and that's just kind of how you function. Yeah, it's odd,
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  Speaker 1: it's odd, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy, and you did that for years. Did so what
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  Speaker 2: was your preparation for a scene, like for that eight
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  Speaker 2: page scene, like, did you get into a a big
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing? How'd you prepare?
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  Speaker 1: Just mainly it was George Bell. We'd just run it
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  Speaker 1: until it was sop bulletproof. You know, just run it
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  Speaker 1: and run it to death, and run it to death,
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  Speaker 1: and run it to death. And you know, I always,
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  Speaker 1: I always knew the acting would take care of itself
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  Speaker 1: because there wasn't a lot of acting going on. It
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of blocking and attitude and tone and
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  Speaker 1: pace and that sort of like served everything that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it filled and filled in everything you needed to fill in.
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  Speaker 1: But it was really just like I remember Gavin Palone
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  Speaker 1: had this conversation with me season one because there were
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  Speaker 1: a couple first couple episodes we were all kind of
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  Speaker 1: getting we were a little clunky, you know, and we
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  Speaker 1: were kind of blowing takes and stuff, and like one
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  Speaker 1: day I was just really strong and I just was
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  Speaker 1: like it was you know, you get that you start sweating,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm not going to be able, and so he said,
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  Speaker 1: just just listen, just come in cold. You got to
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  Speaker 1: know it cold. And I and I know that I
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  Speaker 1: always did that in theater in New York and I
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  Speaker 1: knew it, but this this was a different animal. It
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  Speaker 1: was You're right, it was the pace of it that
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  Speaker 1: you had to get used to. It's like it's like
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  Speaker 1: what they described, you know, college players going into the
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  Speaker 1: NFL freaking out because it was like, these guys are
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  Speaker 1: so fast, the game is so fast. I can't adjust.
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  Speaker 1: So you have to make that adjustment. And you know
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  Speaker 1: if they I think anybody could do it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're put your back against the wall and you're
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  Speaker 1: forced to do it or else lose your job, lose
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  Speaker 1: your livelihood, lose your career. You know you're going to
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  Speaker 1: do it right, So you figure out a way. So
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  Speaker 1: you have been part Uh and this is from Jessica
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  Speaker 1: from Saint Louis. You've been part of so many other
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  Speaker 1: TV series. What still stands out to you about your
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  Speaker 1: time on Gilmore Girls? Okay, I really have to ask.
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  Speaker 1: What was it like working with Michael Dea Louise.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Michael is fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: We were fast friends, you know if they cast a
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  Speaker 2: show correctly. Uh, there's chemistry, like he is my cup
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  Speaker 2: of tea, I'm his cup of tea. We had a
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  Speaker 2: blast hanging out. He's peculiar in a way that I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I understand I'm peculiar in a way that
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  Speaker 2: he understands. He became a very good friend. Now since
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  Speaker 2: Gilmore girls. You know how, I don't see him. He's
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  Speaker 2: not a part of my life at all, you know,
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  Speaker 2: other than I have like if he posts something like
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  Speaker 2: when his father died or his mother died, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's got to kill that guy, because I know how
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  Speaker 2: she was so important to him. And David Delouise was
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  Speaker 2: also on the show for a while, but he was
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  Speaker 2: a very good friend, easy hang. We would run lines
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  Speaker 2: together all the time. Working with Michael was great fun.
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  Speaker 2: When we did the wedding scene and his brother came
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  Speaker 2: on the show, then I got to see the Delaise
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  Speaker 2: kind of family dynamic, which is just full of love
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  Speaker 2: and ploy and silliness and laughter. I mean that is
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  Speaker 2: quite a family and anyway, so I really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 2: But I remember the highlights for me were Carol King
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  Speaker 2: was on the set once and Sebastian Bach and Carol
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  Speaker 2: King were on a golf cart driving. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: where they were going, and I was about one hundred
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  Speaker 2: yards away and Sebastian Bach says, Kathleen and I turn around.
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  Speaker 2: I might have been with friend or something. And I
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  Speaker 2: turned around and I was like, he goes, come in here.
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  Speaker 2: I said, hold on a second. Oh, he says, Carol
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  Speaker 2: wants to meet you or something. So I'm just like
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  Speaker 2: swirly eyes. You know, I've been a huge Carol King
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  Speaker 2: fan my whole life. I run to the golf cart
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  Speaker 2: and then he looks at me and he sort of
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  Speaker 2: blinks and he was like and then who like looks
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  Speaker 2: and then I said, Hi, I'm Kathleen. He goes, no,
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  Speaker 2: not you. The PA. I was like, and then the
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  Speaker 2: pa who I was with or something she was like, Oh, Carol,
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  Speaker 2: that's Kathleen Sebastian. This is Kathleen too. She's in the
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  Speaker 2: cast or whatever it was. But getting to meet Carol
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  Speaker 2: King was huge highlight. I've been a huge fan my
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  Speaker 2: whole life.
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  Speaker 1: So did you so you met she was on the Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Well it was that during the series of the reboot
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  Speaker 1: because I met her on the reboot. I never met
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  Speaker 1: her on the series.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, she was at the she was on the lot.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if she was on, but I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get to be on the reboot. And my agent called
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  Speaker 2: me and she said you need to call Amy and
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  Speaker 2: say you should be on the reboot. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to call her, and like, if she's
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  Speaker 2: not putting me on, then she doesn't want me on. Gross,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not that guy.
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  Speaker 1: You know. That's what it needed. It needed, it needed
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  Speaker 1: Lizen TJ. It needed. It really did well.
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  Speaker 2: It turns out I'm available.
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  Speaker 1: Was there one particular scene that was your favorite to film.
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  Speaker 2: And Gilmore girls one particular scenes?
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you that wedding was hysterical.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, the wedding was really Oh you know what
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  Speaker 2: was fun too was working with you and Ventimiglia Milo.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, I felt like.
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  Speaker 2: We created you and me and Milo. I felt like
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  Speaker 2: we created a you know, i' meanto the moments, and
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  Speaker 2: I felt like we created a real family, kind of
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  Speaker 2: acrimonious but but heartfelt relationship. So you know, that's a
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  Speaker 2: that's a testament to your acting ability and to Milo's
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  Speaker 2: acting ability and to mind, you know whatever. It's good.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I did feel like that dynamic was
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  Speaker 2: at play when we did our scenes together. And by
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  Speaker 2: that time, I'd already gotten my my muscles, I'd gotten
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  Speaker 2: better at my preparation, so I could just really focus
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  Speaker 2: in on the sending and receiving part of the acting
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  Speaker 2: task with the two of you guys. So that was
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  Speaker 2: fun for me too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were very spirited, fun scenes and Luke. Luke
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  Speaker 1: was always very happy, you know, the one that watching it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't like some of the things Luke was doing.
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  Speaker 1: We could talk about this all day, but when you
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  Speaker 1: were setting up your earrings and your jewelry in the
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  Speaker 1: day because you were moving to town to be close
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  Speaker 1: to Jess, and then I sort of had this attitude
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  Speaker 1: like I don't like this, I don't want this. Get
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  Speaker 1: him out of here. And I thought that was a
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  Speaker 1: little much, and I didn't like what it did to
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  Speaker 1: the character, because it's like, you know, you're here now
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  Speaker 1: and the past is the past, and you've figured it out,
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  Speaker 1: and you've got a relationship, and you know, why not
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  Speaker 1: live and let live? I did not. I was highly
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  Speaker 1: critical of Luke's behavior in that because you always because
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  Speaker 1: Luke's behavior when Liz was around was always so up
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  Speaker 1: and energetic and happy, and you never really saw Luke
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  Speaker 1: that way, especially in the first four seasons. But so,
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  Speaker 1: why do you think Kathleen will Hoyt? Why do you
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  Speaker 1: think Kathleen Because people want to know why Gilmour Girls
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  Speaker 1: has stood the test of time.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, what a great question. I recently I've been asked
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  Speaker 2: to do Gilmore Girls Reunion fan things for years and
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  Speaker 2: years and years, and I never do them because I
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  Speaker 2: don't like fan things. They embarrassed me. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a big enough star to do that kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing. I'm not being humble pie, I'm just telling
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  Speaker 2: you the truth. I did a twin Peaks one years ago,
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  Speaker 2: and nobody came to my table. I'm like, no, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not doing this anymore. So I resisted, resisted, resisted, and
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  Speaker 2: then finally somebody sent me an email that just felt
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  Speaker 2: right and I needed the dough and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pay me and I'll do anything, but I
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  Speaker 2: need the dough. So they paid me and I went
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  Speaker 2: and I was so delighted by the fans. I was
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  Speaker 2: so enchanted. They weren't, you know, I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: I expected, but there were mothers and daughters primarily, and
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  Speaker 2: sensitive dudes. They were though, so sweet, and the whole time,
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  Speaker 2: even picking up the airport, I was just like, oh, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm doing this. I'm oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I got to the hotel, it was
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  Speaker 2: the day for my autograph signing, and I I said
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  Speaker 2: to the person who runs the thing. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: nobody's gonna come to my table. Whatever, thank you for
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  Speaker 2: paying me. And my had a line around the block
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  Speaker 2: of people who were so sweet and funny and delightful
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  Speaker 2: and excited by it. So Amy Palladino tapped into some
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  Speaker 2: sort of zeitgeist poles between mothers and daughters, and in fact,
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  Speaker 2: I was so moved by that experience. I wrote Amy
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  Speaker 2: an email and I never heard back. Whatever, I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: I just needed her to know that she wrote something
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  Speaker 2: that stands the test of time, that isn't just words
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  Speaker 2: on a page, that lifted up off of the television
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  Speaker 2: screen into the hearts and minds of a whole bunch
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  Speaker 2: of really cool people. And I felt like she should
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  Speaker 2: know what she created because it was moving to see people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do these conventions and the fans show up
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  Speaker 1: and they are as you describe, these are wonderful, sweet people.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mother daughter celebration and they want to share
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  Speaker 1: with you their feelings about the show and how it
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  Speaker 1: helped their relationship and now they're great friends, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was just it's wonderful. So how do you as
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  Speaker 1: a mother now and almost a grandmother and we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into that. How do you feel about Liz as a mom?
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  Speaker 2: That's funny, Well, you know, I have been a mother
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  Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety five, is when my oldest son was born.
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  Speaker 2: Prior to I have really had a career of playing
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  Speaker 2: horrible mothers. I've sold babies for crack, I've I have
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: kidnapped babies. I've I've tied them up and beaten them.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have a career of playing archetypal horrible,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: horrible mothers. So as a mother, playing those kinds of roles,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I always approach every character that I play with the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: mindset that they are doing the best they can with
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: what they have. And you know, for for Liz, you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: she I would say clearly was probably somebody a candidate
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: for medication for certainly ADHD, and she and Amy had
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: written that in the character. The character was all over
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the place. You know, I talk about this, and then
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I talk about that, and then I talk about this,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and that, I talk about that, and then you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: maybe she was a drug addict, which you know, I
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: certainly have been sober thirty one years, but I certainly
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: can bring that to the table. So there's plenty of
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the mom things that I can easily bring to the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: table to use from my crappy mom characters.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Has your daughter Ruby seen the show?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not one of my biggest fans. No, so
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: she likes the show, I think pretty much up until
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I come on and then she's like Cake. You know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: she's very sweet my daughter, But I think it's weird
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: for her to see me. I don't know, she's she's
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: not one of my biggests.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: She doesn't want to see you that way or something
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know. One time, here's a funny story.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: One time somebody was watching a TV show and it
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: was a part I was on a show called cop
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Rock where I sing a song and I trade my
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: baby for crack. And my son was about seven and
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: a half eight years old at the time, and the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: neighbor friend was like, Jimmy, come to my mom's on
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: TV and he comes in sees me sing this song
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: then trade my baby for crack, and he just was
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: like it was that me. Oh they came and I
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: was like, no, no, no, that was just acting acting.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you. You should have gotten Stephen Botchko on the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: line and said, talk to my daughter tell him it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: your fault. You know you wrote it. We just discussed
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: cop Rock in the last episode because it was a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: reference in the last episode because they had a night
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: where they ate all this junk food and they were
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: going to watch cop cop Rock Marathon, Laurela, Laura and Laurela.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: What a show, what a concept, right little ahead of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: its time. When't you say.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: It's a drama musical? Yeah, no, it was great fun.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I love doing com.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it was.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I've had a good run, you know. Gilmore Girls was fun.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: We had a good time. I mean I felt like
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: at closet of my house, I've thoroughly enjoyed doing that show.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I can't I can't have you on and not talk
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: about Patrick Swayzey. I cannot do it because you know
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you did Roadhouse with him. You know, you did one
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of the big movies of his career and one of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the big movies of your career as well. You were
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: great in it. And I did a film. I played
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a minor role. I worked a ton of days in
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: a minor role in Martha Coolidge did a film with
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Patrick in the lead and Mary Elizabeth Bestor Antonio as
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a married woman living in the nineteen fifties suburbs of
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: outside of New York. It was called Three Wishes, and
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Patrick played this sort of mysterious traveler, stranger kind of
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a guy, obviously a World War Two vet who was,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you know, getting very spiritual and very centered, and he
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: showed up in town and really affected people's lives and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: affected her life and her marriage and the whole thing.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And I had the opportunity to see him work and
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to be on set while he was working, and he
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: stayed in character pretty much the whole time as this
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: sort of you know, this centered, balanced, mysterious guy. And
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: we had lunch a couple of times, and I asked
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: him about the career, and he was just so generous
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and so lovely, and it it I wasn't thinking at
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: that point of leaving the business, but it was. You know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: it's a hard road. You know. It's not everybody can
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: just step into the business and all of a sudden
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: have success, you know how that is. It's just it
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: takes a while. So I was struggling along and he
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: kept me. He just said, keep your head down and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: keep grinding, and you're gonna get there, you know. And
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: he took. But the thing that impressed me so much,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a star of that stature took the time to talk
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and actually have lunch with some little nobody in the cast.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't matter, my role didn't matter, it was all
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: background stuff, and he just just what a lovely guy.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: What was your experience like with him?
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's absolutely lovely and you know in Roadhouse he
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: played a great dancer, super hot Texas, tough guy, heart
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: of gold, you know. And I think so that apple
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: didn't fall far from the tree. He's a lot like that,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot like his characters. So I did
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: not see him do that, you know, staying in character thing.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I say that, you know, you have a lot of
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: similar qualities that Patrick has, So it doesn't surprise me.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Again back if I circle back to they cast Gilmore girls, well,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: when they cast Michael DeLuise to play my husband, because
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: he's my cup of tea, So it doesn't surprise me
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: that Patrick would find you interesting and worth his time
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to seek out a little bit of a friendship have
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: some lunch with you. Interestingly, I would imagine he's a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: little older than you are, but you two would have
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: occupied a similar space in like had he not blown
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: up into such a huge star. You know, there wouldn't
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: have been this huge Like you were just a little
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: guy on the set and he was a big movie star.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I think that if he were guesting on The Gilmore Girls,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the two of you would probably have been friends. That
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me, because there's a you have a similar
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: vibe and energy. I think Patrick. One of the things
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: that I do is I play a kid's sister in
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: terms of the set politics. That's just my default position,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: my super technique. So on a set that was driven
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: by testosterone. That set was about sex, drugs, and rock
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and roll, no question if you want to know about
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: you know, decadent Hollywood. That movie because sex, drugs and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: rock and roll, pokers, guns, cocaine, alcohol shenanigans, and I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: love that I have one of those in my uh,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: in my memory. I hope I never lose my mind
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and forget about that because it was extraordinary and a blast. However,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: that guy did not I that I was aware of,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and I partied with everybody the whole time because I
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: was still drinking and doing drugs back then. You know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: like I said, I've been sober thirty one years, but
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: he he was true to his wife. He has was
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: very principled. He was quick to laugh, generous to me.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: But again he I assumed roll a kid's sister kind
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: of thing with that guy, and with with with Joel
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: silver To, who's a Hollywood mogul guy. I found all
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: of those guys really very charming and enchanting and I
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: had a blast.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So that that was eight That was in the eighties, right,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that was late eighties. What mid eighties? Right, Yeah, I
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got sober ninety one, so I was not
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: sober when I.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's heard. I've heard a lot of stories about
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: mid eighties cocaine fueled sets.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the craft service person is the coke dealer, right.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: A little different now.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, now it's spent. I mean, I find
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: it very moving to work on a set now in
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: terms of the doors that have opened for so many
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: different kinds of people, diversity. I mean, it's just it's
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: so different than it was in the eighties, where the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: doors were locked, that locked a whole bunch of people
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: out get to play, And now that's not the case.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And it's quite lovely and moving to me to have
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: to really be able to see what it was like
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and what it's like now. And it's great now. I
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: worked more, you know, I kind of aged out. I'm like,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I can't be the mom of teenagers anymore. I don't know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I just don't. I feel like I was.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Well, you're going to be a grandmother. Tells about that.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Oh my son, my oldest kid. He's twenty eight. He
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: married a tremendous person, this girl, Brianna. I love them,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and uh, they're gonna have a baby Lana. They're naming
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: her and I'm so tickled. I cannot wait. Did you
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: end up getting married and having kids or no?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Oh? Sure? Yeah. I have a nine year old boy.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: He just turned nine.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Oh nice. Oh that's so sweet.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very sweet.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: He's so happy because you did not have kids.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: When no, No, I was with the same girl, same woman. Nice. Yeah,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: we've been together since two thousand. Oh yeah. Yeah. We
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: have a beautiful boy, Nicholas, and he's just the joy
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: of our life. And you know, I miss him when
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: he goes to school, you know what I mean.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: That's so sweet.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Every thing I always say is like the most wonderful, fabulous, hideous,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: horrific thing I've ever embarked upon. Yeah, because it's rough. Well,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: you got a nine year old, they wake up and
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: they're thirteen years It gets harry, but then they come
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: out of it like now my life seventeen and he's fantastic.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: We're looking at schools and yeah, collegen, you know, it's
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: just it's I wouldn't trade it for anything, but not
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: it's no.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I know, another couple of years, I know it's gonna
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: get dicey, but.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: He still likes you right now, so that's good. You
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: got to enjoy it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. And I know there's going to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: be that time when the rebellion comes. Ah, it's gonna
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: be hard.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: It's like what happened to my baby?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is, I know, I know. But what are
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you working on now? You're working on anything now? Yeah?
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote a script. I like to write stories.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I wrote a script and I am at the moment.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I did a zoom read through and I'm editing it
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: together because I feel like I have been bumping into
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: walls about trying to get people to read my script.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: So now I can get actors to do read throughs
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: because I'm friends with actors, but to get to that
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: next level to get financing. I feel like I have
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: to I don't know, I have to do a little
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: put some effort into presenting something just to get them
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: to turn the page, you know, because I say, oh, well,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: you read my script, and I don't believe it gets read.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So that's frustrating. But I very much am enjoying the process.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I also teach acting for the camera at cal Arts
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, which I wow, really enjoy and I taught
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: at UCSB acting for the for the camera. I did,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: like an intensive showbiz thing ATSB, and I've taught. I
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: went away for a year and taught at a school
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: called Savannah College of Art and Design SCAD in Savannah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I realized that I can't be away from my family.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I broke, right, So I did. I satisfied my year contract.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I was a full time professor there, and then I
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: was like, I can't do it. I gotta be broke.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: If that's what the case is, I'm going to be
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: broken and be with my husband and my kids.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Right right right. But cal Arts that's a big deal
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: kind of place.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: It is a big deal, and the students are freaking amazing,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: are so talented. Wait, many times I'll see them. They'll
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: do a scene in front of the camera and I'll
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, well I got nothing that was stupid.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Next that was to do that, And you'll be fine.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: It ain't You're good to go. Thanks for playing.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, talented kids, Well.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Good for them. I wish them all the best. All right,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: We're going to do a little section here called rapid fire.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily fast, we just call it rapid fire.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know why we ever called it rap I
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: think I used to do it quickly and then fans
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: would write and say, could you slow it down? We
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: don't understand what's going on. So I'm going to ask
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you a series of Gilmore related questions and just answer
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: them at your leisure. Okay, okay, and here I go.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: How do you like your coffee?
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: You mean this for the like related to my character?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: No, to you, to me as Kathleen.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Not my character, because I'm like, I don't remember the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: character liked your coffee? I like my coffee. I'm picky
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: about it because I don't you know, I do caffeine
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: like crazy. So I have like a coffee bean of
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the month. I'm in a coffee bean of the month. Club.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: So I like a brown bean if it's too I
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: don't like black, greasy French rust. I'm a Kona kind
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: of brown bean and teleg kind of bean. I have
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: a grinder. I steam my milk, and my husband and
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I sit out on our veranda and we look out
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: on the San Fernando Valley and I drink you know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I drink my coffee and read my book there. That's
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: how I like my coffee.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Have you binged the entire Gilmore Girls series?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: No, I don't like to watch myself. I see when
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I see myself on TV, I see like a chin.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: She's a long chin, a big fat butt and a high,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: squeaky voice. And I just see, like I could blur
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: my swirly eyes watching a chin on a butt floating
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: around me. No, so I do not watch myself. So no,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: like I don't watch myself.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have that in common. I can. You know
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I started this podcast based on I've never seen the
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: show for that very reason. You know, I do not
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: want to watch what I do. But now it's you know,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it's twenty three years removed. I can. I can kind
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: of deal with it because it's like a different person.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: It's like I you know, I vaguely remember that guy.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah you know. Are you team Logan, Team Jess or
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Team Dean? I think we know? Yes, Yeah, there you go?
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And uh, what would you order at Luke's diner?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, grilled cheese sandwich like the Luke Steiner would make
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the perfect grilled cheese sandwich and probably cup of coffee
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: and h and I do a side salad with the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: probably ranch dressing.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Harvard or Yale?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Yale because of drama.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, uh sure yes. Luke's nickname in high school
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: was Butch. What's your nickname the character? No you Kathleen?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Oh well, I went by Kathy for years and I've
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: been called like will beIN high cath Mm Kathy, I'm
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: not very nothing really very funny. I can't think of anything.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: It's who would you? Who from Gilmore? Would you not
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: want to be stuck on a desert island with?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: You know? I only worked with you and uh Belise
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: and you guys are nice Soulian.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Oh jeez, I lose that fight. Best memory of Gilmore girls, Oh.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: The wedding and being with you guys and everybody.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: The wedding was just classic. I'm still trying to remember
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that line that TJ said when he walked by. He
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: leaned in and said something really funny. Show your binge
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: watching right now.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Oh the Gemstones are also the bear.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Okay cast member you texted most recently.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I don't keep in touch with anyone. I think I
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: facetimed or not FaceTime. Facebook messaged Michael Delawis and his mom.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Passed, mm hmmm something in your life you are all
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: in on.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I like to write. I write right right, right right.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I get my novels, my plays, my movies. I write
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: like when everybody else is off doing whatever they do.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I'm probably home in front of my computer writing my stuff.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Wilhoyt, it has been a pleasure. Brilliant performances, Liz,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: brilliant career. Keep it going. Thank you for your time.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: This was really fun. The fans are going to love
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: this and keep on keeping on and and congratulations.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Then.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's appropriate to congratulate you for
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: being your grandmother, but it's it's a great feeling that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: must be.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: It's been crazy. I mean I got a T shirt
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: that said my daughter in law's baby shower that says
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: somebody's fine ass Grandma.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: You go, Kathleen, best of luck with everything, and we
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: will probably want to have you back on I got
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: a feeling this is going to get a big response
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: in the fan base anyway.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: All the best, all right, all right, take care, all.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Right, take care. Hey, everybody, don't forget. Follow us on
• 40:02
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• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.