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The Kenny Report | 29 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight. The shocking way Aboriginal cultural
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  Speaker 1: heritage is being weaponized against a mining development under the
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  Speaker 1: alban Easy labor government. Our power crisis continues to deepen,
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  Speaker 1: but Chris Bowen pretends it's all going to plan. The
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  Speaker 1: Sydney University professor who is a hummus atrocity denier. Why
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  Speaker 1: don't Israeli women matter? Also Alexander Downer on his former
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  Speaker 1: colleague George Brandis's Trump derangement syndrome. And with the panel,
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  Speaker 1: I'll ask who on earth is leading the free world?
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking. Another depressing chapter in our national energy
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  Speaker 1: self harm tonight, the electricity supply and pricing crisis that
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  Speaker 1: labor is in denial about. Remember this is the mob
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  Speaker 1: who've told you three things. They'll switch to a renewables
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  Speaker 1: plus storage model, something no other country has done or
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  Speaker 1: is even silly enough to try. They reckon this will
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  Speaker 1: somehow change the weather when nothing Australia does can make
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  Speaker 1: any difference. That's the science. And third, they said our
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  Speaker 1: power bills would go down by two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 1: five dollars a year. And I don't have to tell
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  Speaker 1: you they've gone up by about double that yet Chris Bowen,
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  Speaker 1: the Climate and Energy Minister, blackout Bowen. What did he
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  Speaker 1: have to say today?
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  Speaker 2: Firstly, the government's plan is working when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: energy reliability.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to love him, don't you. The plan is working,
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  Speaker 1: he reminds me of comical le This comes on the
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  Speaker 1: back of the latest report from the Energy Market Operator
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  Speaker 1: that says, if we're lucky with the weather, with demand,
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  Speaker 1: with generation and transmission projects being built on time, then
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  Speaker 1: if all that goes well, we might get through the
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  Speaker 1: coming summer without too many blackouts. And to see just
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  Speaker 1: how ridiculous Bowen's claim is about his plan working, you
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  Speaker 1: just have to go to the reasons AEMO reckons we
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  Speaker 1: might make it. The most obvious one is that while
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  Speaker 1: the renewables rollout is still struggling, the New South Wales
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  Speaker 1: government has agreed to pump hundreds of millions of dollars
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  Speaker 1: into Origin's massive Rahring coal fired power station to keep
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  Speaker 1: it open and extra two years. And another reason is
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  Speaker 1: that electricity demand is not growing by as much as predicted.
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  Speaker 1: Why well, because fewer people are buying electric vehicles than predicted,
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  Speaker 1: and business demand is lower too because of the slowing economy. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So Bowen says his plan is working. The opposite is happening.
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  Speaker 1: Cole is saving us again, and people aren't buying his
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  Speaker 1: ev evangelism. And even then, this summer will be touch
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  Speaker 1: and go, as Aemo says.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, with any summer, there are likely to be
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  Speaker 3: periods of hot weather that do create high demand for electricity,
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  Speaker 3: and there are always risks.
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  Speaker 4: Like the reliability of our old coal fired power stations.
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  Speaker 1: Seriously, these people, they admit it's all at risk when
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  Speaker 1: their job is to make sure we have plenty of power,
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  Speaker 1: and then they try to blame the unreliability on the
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  Speaker 1: cloth of their entire plan, on the coal fired generators
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  Speaker 1: that they've spent twenty years trying to force out of business.
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  Speaker 1: Have I listened again to Chris Bowen. He's in complete
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  Speaker 1: denial of reality.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Dutton and mister Little Proud have an explicit policy,
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  Speaker 2: they say, of sweating the asset for longer, keeping coal
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  Speaker 2: fire power stations open for longer, keeping our most unreliable
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  Speaker 2: form of power in the system for longer.
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  Speaker 1: Cole is the most unreliable form of power. This is
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  Speaker 1: plain nuts. Coal fired power stations are aging because Bowen's
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  Speaker 1: policy are specifically designed to force them out. No one's
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  Speaker 1: going to invest in maintaining or upgrading them under those conditions.
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  Speaker 1: But they are about dispatchable, reliable power, and Bowen is
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  Speaker 1: pretending he can replace them with unreliable, intermittent renewables stretching
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  Speaker 1: all across our landscapes, connected by tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: kilometers of transmission. It's a monumental experiment with your energy future.
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  Speaker 1: And even Bowen's labor mate, the premiere of New South Wales,
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  Speaker 1: knows that the whole shambles is on a knife's edge.
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  Speaker 3: We're developing renewable energy projects inland. The power this generated
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  Speaker 3: need to be needs to be transmitted to the East
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  Speaker 3: Coast energy grid network and that has to happen through
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  Speaker 3: transmission lines. Now we are behind or over budget on
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  Speaker 3: nearly all of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck Australia and keeping the lights on. And
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  Speaker 1: let's know when your power bill drops by two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and seventy five dollars below what it was at the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two election. At the Bush Summit in Orange today,
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  Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce debated the former New South Wales Liberal energy
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  Speaker 1: minister now renewable czar for the Albanesi Labor government Matt Keane,
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  Speaker 1: And there was more heat than light, accelerating a disaster,
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  Speaker 1: not delaying a plan. It'srating ower pressure on Barby.
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  Speaker 5: That's what we're trying, not putting down pressure on power bills.
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  Speaker 1: It's going through the roof. I mean, what do you
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  Speaker 1: get a power bill? Have you ever looked at it?
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  Speaker 1: More supply means lower power power bill. We need more
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  Speaker 1: supply in the system.
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  Speaker 2: But there to fact, that's a that's a talking point.
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  Speaker 1: Downward pressure on power bills. What was that about reality? Keen,
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  Speaker 1: like Bowen, just denies reality. But tellingly, he could not
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  Speaker 1: name a country that had made a successful transition to renewables,
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  Speaker 1: nor could he explain why other countries have cheaper and
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  Speaker 1: more reliable power than Australia. Inland's power system is different
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  Speaker 1: to Australia's. Why France's power line is different to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Why where have I well, I'll tell you why. Keene
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to answer that. Because more than a third
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  Speaker 1: of Finland's power comes from nuclear reactors, and in France,
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  Speaker 1: nuclear accounts for more than two thirds France's nuclear power
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  Speaker 1: also bails out many of its neighbors inconvenient facts. Still,
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  Speaker 1: it's nice that the minister responsible for Australia actually reckons
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  Speaker 1: it's all going to plan.
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  Speaker 2: Happy to take some questions. I believe we have a
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  Speaker 2: journalist on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, no generous on the phone. All right, no questions?
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  Speaker 2: Well in all done, great, thanks very much.
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  Speaker 1: There he goes, Hey to the riotous applause. I think
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  Speaker 1: they might have stopped listening to Chris Bowen. It's not
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  Speaker 1: worth asking questions if the responses are always just slogans.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be happy to have Chris Bowen on here for
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  Speaker 1: a chat if he'd really like to answer a few questions.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to the National's MP and former Resources Minister
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  Speaker 1: Keith Pitt Now, Keith Thurst up, give us your reading
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  Speaker 1: of that latest assessment from a EMAO.
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  Speaker 6: Chris, those poor hard work and engineers at a EMO,
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  Speaker 6: they have threaded the needle on electricity supply over and
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  Speaker 6: over and over and over, and all that's holding it
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  Speaker 6: up is demand management. But we keep paying extraordinary amounts
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  Speaker 6: of money to begin energy users to to turn off
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  Speaker 6: their demand, to drive down their consumption. That's all that's
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  Speaker 6: saving them. And Chris Bowen, he's delusional.
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  Speaker 1: Mate.
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  Speaker 6: Stanbile's cul fired POWERstation near Rocky actually holds a Guinness
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  Speaker 6: World Record for a liability. Can you believe that? And
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  Speaker 6: yet they say that it's no good, Carl's terrible. It's
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  Speaker 6: all Carl's fault. It's the most reliable source we've had
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  Speaker 6: for decades.
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  Speaker 1: It seems extraordinary that the Energy Minister would stand up
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  Speaker 1: there and say that cole power is the most unreliable
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  Speaker 1: form of power. I mean, this is just plain nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: How does he get away with that? Well, they all
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  Speaker 1: get away with it, Chris.
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  Speaker 6: Even in the Parliament, MP after MP on the Labour
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  Speaker 6: side continue to say electricity prices are down under this
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  Speaker 6: Labor government. Nothing could be further from the truth. Barnaby
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  Speaker 6: was absolutely right. Every single Australian just has to look
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  Speaker 6: at their bill to see if it's gone down or not.
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  Speaker 6: And a big fat subsidy from Jim Charmers doesn't mean
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  Speaker 6: it will stay there. It will go up again at
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  Speaker 6: the next quarter, at the next bill, at the next opportunity,
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  Speaker 6: and people simply can't afford.
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  Speaker 1: To pay it.
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  Speaker 6: And it makes nearly all of our industrial capacity uncompetitive internationally.
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  Speaker 6: It's got to be fixed and the best thing to
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  Speaker 6: do keep caulified power stations running.
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  Speaker 1: You were just how vulnerable will we be this summer.
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  Speaker 6: It'll depend on whether you have an outage. So the
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  Speaker 6: contingency used to be quite significant. Some twenty percent was
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  Speaker 6: always what was targeted when this was run by the States.
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  Speaker 6: If you lose a big unit, or you lose a
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  Speaker 6: big transmission connection, well you are abound to have blackouts.
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  Speaker 6: But if you keep turning off value medium smelters and
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  Speaker 6: you keep turning off big consumers like minds, well they'll
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  Speaker 6: eventually leave because they're just not competitive. I'd love to
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  Speaker 6: have a look at their books because I think they're
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  Speaker 6: probably making more money from being paid to turn off
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  Speaker 6: their systems than they are out of the production of
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  Speaker 6: value medium.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be fascinating to see. Just on that. How
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  Speaker 1: much faith do you have? How much confidence do you
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  Speaker 1: have in AEMO? Because when you look at the facts
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  Speaker 1: of their report, yeah, you can see the reason they
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  Speaker 1: reckon we'll get through is because they're paying more companies
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  Speaker 1: to switch off or put in power when things are tough,
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  Speaker 1: and because New South Wales is paying the coal fired
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  Speaker 1: power station that a rahring to keep going. I mean
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  Speaker 1: their actual plan of rolling out renewables is failing. It's
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  Speaker 1: behind schedule. Yet the retric from a EMO is always
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  Speaker 1: about this thing working, that they're always backing the government's line.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they really a market operator or are they
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  Speaker 1: just barracking for the government's policy.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think you'll find the appointments from the government
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  Speaker 6: are always concerned about maintaining their position, and at an
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  Speaker 6: executive level, I wouldn't expect anything else. But there's a
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  Speaker 6: lot of very hard working technical people there who are
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  Speaker 6: trying to keep the system alive. And you've now got
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  Speaker 6: the situation, Chris, where not only does your demand shift
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  Speaker 6: up and down, but so does just apply and it
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  Speaker 6: makes everything unstable and it's getting worse. We need to
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  Speaker 6: keep that rotating generation in place.
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  Speaker 1: We need to keep coal.
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  Speaker 6: You definitely can't lose a RAR ring in two years time.
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  Speaker 6: And we are not seeing anything that is driving down
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  Speaker 6: power prices, regardless of what Chris Balen says. I just
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  Speaker 6: how do they say this stuff with a straight face?
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  Speaker 1: Mate, I don't get it. Coal is reliable, Your prices
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  Speaker 1: are going down. The renewable plan is rolling out. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is war, is peace.
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  Speaker 6: And your pain less Chris, Apparently we're all pay less,
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  Speaker 6: except everyone's closing down and no one can afford their bill.
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  Speaker 1: It's extraordinary stuff. Thanks for joining us, Keith, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Keith pit their Live from Brisbane. Now let me go
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  Speaker 1: again to this content troversy over a proposed gold mine
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  Speaker 1: in the central Highlands of Western New South Wales. I
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  Speaker 1: first told you nearly a fortnight ago about how the
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  Speaker 1: crucial tailings damn for the mine had been blocked by
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  Speaker 1: the Federal Environment Minister Tanya Plivosek on secret cultural heritage claims. Now,
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  Speaker 1: sure this imperils a billion dollar project, and that's a
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  Speaker 1: serious enough problem, which is why the state premier is
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  Speaker 1: trying to find a workaround.
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  Speaker 3: It's important for Western New South Wales economy, it's important
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  Speaker 3: for the state. It's not simply about this particular project.
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  Speaker 3: We're also staring down the barrel and trying to encourage
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  Speaker 3: billions of dollars of capital into critical minerals and other
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  Speaker 3: resources like gold. And I want to send a message
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  Speaker 3: that we're open for business.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it is much more important than just this mine.
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  Speaker 1: But finding a workaround misses the point. First, the company
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  Speaker 1: says that might not be possible. We looked at options
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  Speaker 1: as alternatives. We do not have options available. We only
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  Speaker 1: had one. Now we've sort of on that particular part
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  Speaker 1: of it, we're virtually back to square one. And more
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  Speaker 1: to the point, the process here is the problem. The
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  Speaker 1: lack of scrutiny and accountability, the secrecy, the ridiculous leveraging
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  Speaker 1: of disputed indigenous claims by a Green left government. If
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  Speaker 1: this mine worked up another tailings down proposal, it would
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  Speaker 1: take time and money, and that too might be hit
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  Speaker 1: with another Indigenous heritage claim down the track. And so
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  Speaker 1: could another mine in another state, or a bridge project,
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  Speaker 1: or a power plant or an airport or a factory.
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  Speaker 1: The problem here is massive. It's the way Canberra and
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  Speaker 1: other governments assess Indigenous heritage claims, the way they test
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  Speaker 1: them or don't test them, and which Indigenous groups they
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  Speaker 1: choose to believe. Because the authority responsible for this mine area,
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  Speaker 1: the Orange Aboriginal Land Council, surveyed the area and said
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  Speaker 1: they had no problem with the mine or the tailings dam.
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  Speaker 1: It's another group, a smaller group with what some would
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  Speaker 1: say are less direct connections to the area that have
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  Speaker 1: successfully asked the minister to block this tailings dam, to
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  Speaker 1: block this mine, and the Minister obliged blocking the tailings
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  Speaker 1: down because of the significance of the area to cultural traditions.
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  Speaker 1: Some of these traditions have been disclosed to me privately,
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  Speaker 1: Plubasek said in her official statement, and must remain confidential
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  Speaker 1: due to their cultural sensitivity. This is extraordinary with echoes
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  Speaker 1: of the High Marsh Island secret women's business controversy of
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  Speaker 1: thirty years ago. In fact, early reports of the claim
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  Speaker 1: here near Orange had an elder claiming it was a
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  Speaker 1: site for initiation ceremonies where boys were turned into men
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  Speaker 1: and warriors. So has a female environment minister been given
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  Speaker 1: access to secret women's secret men's business in this case?
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  Speaker 1: Who could know? Because Pliversek is not saying, of course,
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  Speaker 1: She just says the mining company should find another site.
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  Speaker 1: But other indigenous leaders from the same area believe their
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  Speaker 1: culture is being misused. Why our people be.
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  Speaker 7: Rolling in their grave if they knew that our culture
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  Speaker 7: has been hijacked for hidden agendas and it's not right.
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  Speaker 1: This is the real issue here. Thirty years on from
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  Speaker 1: High Marsh Island where my reporting with a brave group
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  Speaker 1: of Nuurnery women who stood up for the truth revealed
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  Speaker 1: that the so called secret women's business was in fact fabricated,
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  Speaker 1: a finding that was confirmed by a royal commission three
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  Speaker 1: decades on. From that, we seem to have learned nothing.
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  Speaker 1: The governments need to test these cultural heritage claims properly,
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  Speaker 1: They need to work out which indigenous groups have the authority,
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  Speaker 1: and they need to ensure that other agendas don't intrude
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  Speaker 1: on Indigenous culture. The successful claim in this case, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, was advanced by the Environmental Defender's Office, an
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  Speaker 1: activist legal outfit that gets federal funding your taxes used
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  Speaker 1: to push contested indigenous claims, trying to stop economic opportunities
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  Speaker 1: for this country, opportunities that other indigenous groups desperately want.
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  Speaker 1: How are we going to close the gap.
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  Speaker 7: The biggest killer of abridinal people in this country is
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  Speaker 7: an alcohol and drugs.
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  Speaker 1: It's absolute poverty and welfare dependency.
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  Speaker 7: And here we've got a minister that's knocking back a
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  Speaker 7: billion dollar mine that could create economic empowerment for my people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a controversy and a shambles that goes
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  Speaker 1: far beyond Orange and far beyond this mine, although that's
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  Speaker 1: no small consideration itself. Of course, this is about the
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  Speaker 1: mess around indigenous cultural claims, the competence of the Albanezi
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  Speaker 1: government in managing these issues, investments, certainty and heritage assessments
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  Speaker 1: in this country. It's about how on earth we can
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  Speaker 1: create jobs and prosperity for all Australians, including Indigenous communities.
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  Speaker 1: Plibasek needs to stop keeping secrets, allow the cultural heritage
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  Speaker 1: claims here to be properly assessed, including by other Indigenous
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  Speaker 1: groups who have no problems with the mind, and she
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  Speaker 1: needs to make sure that the right decision has been made.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise Labour should admit their error, remove the ban and
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  Speaker 1: put in place better processes for next time. Let me
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  Speaker 1: bring in Roy RC, indigenous leader and former chair of
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  Speaker 1: the New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council, who you just
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  Speaker 1: saw in that editorial. Thanks are joining us, Roy, Tell
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  Speaker 1: us what you think should happen. You've heard my outline
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  Speaker 1: of what should be happened. This claim should be reassessed.
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  Speaker 1: What's the action you want to see from the federal government.
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  Speaker 7: Look, the Minister will be left from an other choice
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  Speaker 7: but to rescind her decision. Because at the end of
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  Speaker 7: the day, like I said during the Bush summit today
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  Speaker 7: in Orange, is that the cultural authority of the local
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  Speaker 7: Abriagin Land Council hasn't coming out in opposition to the
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  Speaker 7: mine and that should speak volumes volumes because Chris, what
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  Speaker 7: you've got to remember, I keep repeating yourself, But nineteen
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  Speaker 7: eighty three the New South fALS Average Land Rights Act,
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  Speaker 7: you know, was legislated, So MARBO didn't come in until
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  Speaker 7: nineteen ninety four conwarth legislation in relation to native title.
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  Speaker 7: But we've been working thirteen years under the land rights legislation,
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  Speaker 7: so we we pretty much had a down pat in
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  Speaker 7: relation to if there's no title claim. We knew that
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  Speaker 7: we know who the cultural authorities are, you know, we
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  Speaker 7: know we know who speaks for country. And this process,
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  Speaker 7: this decision has undermined the land council system because I'll
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  Speaker 7: tell you what, Chris, being the former chair of the
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  Speaker 7: New so I was average land council. If there was
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  Speaker 7: an issue with this site, the land council would have
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  Speaker 7: been jumping up and down and well this.
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  Speaker 1: Is the point, this is the point. If the local
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  Speaker 1: land council had no problem with the mind was satisfied.
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  Speaker 1: Satisfied it could go ahead on what basis would the
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  Speaker 1: Minister listen to another group and overrule them. Shouldn't she
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  Speaker 1: at least have put those claims to the Orange Aboriginal
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  Speaker 1: Land Council.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, Chris, Look, this decision has to be interrogated because
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  Speaker 7: at the end of the day, what the Minister's office
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  Speaker 7: has done or the minister is undermined our structure and
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  Speaker 7: our systems in our community. And it makes a mockery
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  Speaker 7: of my other people at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 7: Because that's what I get annoyed with, Chris. I'm passionate,
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  Speaker 7: and I get really annoyed that, you know, I said
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  Speaker 7: today that my great grandmother was born in Baptist and
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  Speaker 7: she's actually buried in Orange, you know. And I'm a
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  Speaker 7: proud raduary man, and I see our culture being hijacked
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  Speaker 7: and it's been used, you know by other groups that
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  Speaker 7: have got hidden agendas, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: Got to stop. Well, tell us about this other group
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  Speaker 1: and tell me whether or not you believe their claims.
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  Speaker 7: Well, when I was, when I was a chair of
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  Speaker 7: the former the former chair of the New South ast
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  Speaker 7: Abridge Land Council, We've had you know, we've had green
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  Speaker 7: groups with their attitude. And I know a lot of people, Chris,
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  Speaker 7: I know a lot of families. I'm very well connected.
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  Speaker 7: I've got a lot of networks. Right, I served twelve
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: years on the council at the state level, and I've
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: never heard of this lady's name, the lady that they're
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: putting up as the influencer that eventually you know that
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: the minister's taking advice on and stop this project. I
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: don't know who she is. And on ben Fordham's program,
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: I just said, look, well I don't know who she is.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And how should we resolve issues like this, because surely
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: it can't be just left for a minister to decide
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: on the back of some meetings. Surely there must be
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a proper way to interrogate this. Does the Lord need
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to change?
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, look, Chris, that's a matter for the minister. At
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: the end of the day. The Local Abridge Land Council
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: is a structor and a system in news Houth Wales.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: It works, love or hate it. You know, the Land
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: Council didn't oppose this, mind because they see the value
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: in creating economic empower and economic opportunities, you know. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: I'm currently the acting CEO of Foster Local Average Land Council.
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: We've got heaps of land, you know, but it's been
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: locked up as green corridors because they think Abidinal people
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: are environmentalists and that we don't want to developed develop
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: our land, and that's that's not true. We need to
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: create an economic economic base and an economic opportunity for
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: future generations and it's incumbent on us as leaders in
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: our community to do that and we're not going to
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: do that by stopping development.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Like minds.
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: If she can stop a mind, then what hope as
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: a local Abridge Land Council got of developing a subdivision
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: or a housing subdivision.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yep, you're making a lot of sense, Roy, Thanks so
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: much for joining us. I appreciate it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: Chris.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Look, it's been a long day. Thanks for having me
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: on the program and I.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: Really appreciate it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Great stuff, Roy. I see they're formerly headed up to the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council. You heard his claim
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: there that these claims that Minister Plibasek has acted on
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: were fabricated. That's his claim, basing it on the information
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: he's got from an elder in the area. Now coming
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: up after the break, going to catch up with Rosheena
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Campbell and Lisa gotta plan to get workers back in
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the Melbourne CBD involves free coffee this time. Also Joe
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Biden spotted soaking up the sun. But who's running the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: free world? Let's get into some of these issues around
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the place. I'm joined for my panel by the Melbourne
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: City Council of Reshena Campbell and Lisa Godad from Madoni
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Media joins us in Brisbane. Great to catch up with
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you both again. I'm going to start in your fair
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: city and you're Baileywick, Reshina, because you've got the mayoral
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: contest coming up. Our good mate Nicholas Reese, the great
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: labor Man, is acting mayor and he's running for re election.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But the legendary Carlton footballer Anthony Coodefines is running as
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: a road candidate here and he's desperate to get people
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: back into the city and says he'll offer them free coffee.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: He's going to hand out free coffee for people to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: go back into Melbourne. This is electoral bribery, isn't it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: Roshina, Well, Chris, I am thrilled to be running with Nick.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: I like to think of us as the team Sky
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: News viewers created. So we've had plenty of robust discussions
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: here and we're really thrilled to be working together on
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: getting Melbourne going and getting people back.
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: Court has got an idea that four free coffees are
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: going to change three years of workplace behavior. I think
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: it might take a bit more than that. I think
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: one of the most important things is getting public servants
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: back in the city. They are the biggest employer, thirteen
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: percent of the workforce in the city. So I'm glad
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: that Nick has made a really clear message to our
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: premire that they should have their workforce back in the
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: office and.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: At town Hall.
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: We have our house in order getting our workers back
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: in the office five days a week, but perhaps more
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: than four days of coffee. We've got to give people
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: a reason to be in the city, and I think
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: that's something bigger. It's things like what we do so
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: well in Melbourne, major events, great food and dining options,
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: and where our focus is on a clean and safe
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: city that people want to be in.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: It's kind of good that you're working with Nick. He's
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the labor man, you're the liberal woman, and you're going
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: up on coup to Feedi's here Cude Feedes, of course,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: being a Carlton legend. Nick Reice is a Carlton supporter,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: so it must be tough for him going up against
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Cute Feedes. But just before I get your thoughts on this, Lisa,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I just want to show this clip, this Instagram clip
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: or social media clip that Kude Feedes has been running
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: to push his policy of getting people back to the city.
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: Are Carton great promising to make Melbourne great again?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But where are the people right now? How many's old mission?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Isn't it really the safety the homelesses? Just over two
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: months in cot now, Liza, you're the political and corporate
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and communications advisor. It strikes me that's a pretty weird
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: ad because he's complaining about people not being in the
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: city while he's walking along a bustling footpath full of
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: people in the city.
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: And it's particularly gloomy if you look at that. It's
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: not exactly selling Melbourne at all. I don't think is
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: a Queenslander, but hey, look we're in a state where
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: you've got fifty cent transport for is here to try
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: to win votes and for the local council down there.
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: I think it's going to take a bit more than
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: the four coffees that were mentioned, But also what's the limit?
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: Is it a long black is it you? Is it
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: one of the fancy Melbourne cofee? Is that US Queenslanders
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: don't fully understand. I just think it's a weird tactic
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: when people are worried about hospitals and youth crime. I
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: know their state issues, but they do impact at the
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: local level as well, So I think he needs to
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: do more than that. And look across at Chris mint.
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: He ordered all the public servants back into the office
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: and they're now concerned about having enough desks for those people.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: So that's one state. Now get it all wrong. Now,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: now you reckon Melbourne's gloomy. Now you wait till they
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: get a Sydney versus Brisbane or Sydney versus Giants grand final.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Theyn't that be gloomy down there? Just on this point
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: about getting back people back into the city, not just
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: in Melbourne but right around the country. Role we had
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: this the federal Public Service decision, which I thought was
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: disastrous by the alb and Easy Labor government. They now
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: have a preference, they have a right to prefer to
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: work at home and if they can possibly do their
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: job from home, they're going to be allowed to. And
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we learned today that the Fair Work Commission is going
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to look at this being widespread for all clerical workers.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: That would be disastrous, wouldn't it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: Look I find that really listening, Nick and I have
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: called Sorry, Nick and I have called for both upstate
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: and federal public servants should be back at their desks.
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: And let me tell you why. Their salaries, and some
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: of them are huge. We're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars.
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: That's your money. If you're paying for these people, they
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: should be firing on all cylinders. And quite frankly, a
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: lot of people have had no choice over the past
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: few years about where they work. If you're a teacher,
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: if you run a small business, you've been in the workplace.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: Why are the people whose salaries we are paying getting
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: the choice to work from under the donner?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I couldn't agree more. We've got to have flexibility,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: but we've got to have the preference or the right
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of the employer to demand workers turn up where they're needed.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: At least of the problem with this is if this
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Fair Work Commission case gets up this will extend now
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: to private sector workers too. Well.
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: It puts small business owners particularly and those sort of
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: mid sized businesses into a really difficult position. So if
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: you're a large corporation, Look, I know a lot of
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: my clients. You have huge footprints in the inner city,
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: and not all of them have gone to having all
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: of their staff back in. And you've got areas of
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: buildings now that are ghost town. So I was in
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: one today where you've got floors where you've got four
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: or five people on there. So it's not good for
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: the private sector. I don't think it's good for the
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: public sector either. And you're right, if we are as
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: taxpayers funding their wages, then I think they should be
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: in their buildings. They should be on the trains and
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: the buses and coming into the office and supporting the
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: small businesses that have the restaurants and the cafes because
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: they're the ones that at the end of the day,
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: are really hurting.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: All Right, we've talked about local government. I want to
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: go to the other end of the spectrum now and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: talk about who's leading the free world. Just have a
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: look at these pictures of Joe Biden on the beach
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: out in the front of his family Shaq Delaware. There
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: he is in that easy boy with the with the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: punter's going past, waving to him for Old Joe sort
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of slipped some top secret classified documents into his beach
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: bag as he look. He just looks. He looks asleep
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and lazy and Rowena. We need to be worried, don't
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: we that this guy said he can't go on yet
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: he's still pretending he's running the free world. Yeah.
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: Look, he's living the retirees dream and he seems to
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: forget he's still the president of the United States. So look,
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: I have to say I feel pretty sorry for that
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: country at the moment when you've got serious domestic problems
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: and you've also got those conflicts overseas that they're trying
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: to weigh into, whether that's Gaza or the Ukraine, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: this guy sunning himself on the beach. I reckon, We're
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: entitled to expect a little more of every poly but
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: certainly him.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and the thing is, of course, the vice president,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: she's just interested in campaigning. She still hasn't done an interview.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: She'll do her first interview tomorrow since sort of declaring
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: she's going to run for the job. But let's just
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: have a look at her little appearance with her her
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: VEEP candidate Tim Walls in a school overnight.
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: By the very fact that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: You all are here in this room doing what you
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: do at this incredible school, doing it as one big team,
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: understanding all the different parts that fit together to create
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: a team.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Oh god, she's cringeworthy, Lisa. So you got bidenstead of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: asleep with the beach her? Do you bring on like that?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Where are we going to end up?
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: At least Biden is not in a bunker. He's actually
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: underneath the beach on brollin now, so he's out in
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: playing sight. Unfortunately, is not ruling the free world. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: as far as Kamala, look, won know what in media
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: training is please keep your jazz hands down? Will someone
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: just at least give this woman some training as to
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: how she's meant to talk to the media and how
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: she's meant to perform. And you can completely understand why
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: she wants to have notes there when she went for
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: a debate.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: She is just maybe that's her secret. She's how bad
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: she is, she just needs to write the notes on
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: her hands. As you can stand around like that reading
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: her talking points and she'll get through the debate that way.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: We'll see how it all goes. Thanks for joining us,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Rashena Campbell and Lisa got really good to catch up
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: with you. We've got to get to a break. On
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the other side, we're going to talk about Alban Easy's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: eye brow raising hot Mike moment. Really, how could he
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: possibly winge about this? And also the Sydney University professor
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: who dismissed Hummas atrocities and she gets off scott free.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Since the sickening, unspeakable atrocities committed by Hummus against Israelis
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: on October the seventh last year, one of the most
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: unfathomable consequences in the Western world, to my mind, has
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: been the way people have been prepared to downplay or
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: even deny what went on in order to demonize the victims,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to demonize Israelis and Jews. Feminists to five minutes ago
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: were front and center in the Me Too movement and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: rallying around slogans about believing all women. They've tried to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: dismissed the rape and torture of Israeli women and hostages.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: People who have supported diversity and equal rights have been
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: taking sides with Hummas, a vicious extremist Islamist terrorist outfit.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And all of this was exemplified at Sydney University earlier
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 31:20
  Speaker 12: So we can see how the Western media has suppressed
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: coverage of the atrocities. They've used this kind of fake
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: news about Hermas beheading babies and mass raps, all in
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: order to shore up support for Israel, and they have
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: distorted events.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: That's sociology professors Sujiso Fernandez in April, and Sydney University
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: has now found that she breached the UNI standards and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: code of conduct, but it seems she's unlikely to suffer
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: any serious discipline reaction. Just how human beings could show
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: such disregard for the facts, or seeming disregard for fellow
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: human beings is beyond me, especially given so much direct
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: evidence of these atrocities is available, including from first hand witnesses. Now,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: these accounts are so harrowing. I gotta warn you about
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: what you're about to hear.
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: And then I'm starting to calculate what it is worse
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: to get kidnapped or to be raped, or to get shot.
• 32:19
  Speaker 13: What's worse, what's better? I heard the girls who were
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: yelling from king from this side and also from this side,
• 32:28
  Speaker 13: like surrounded me. There were so many noises of women,
• 32:35
  Speaker 13: different women, not only one. I remembered that he said,
• 32:40
  Speaker 13: as Zovata, leave her, live her alone. The guy was crying.
• 32:45
  Speaker 13: I heard him, and for a long time. And how
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: did it end? How did the screaming end?
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: In these cases they.
• 32:54
  Speaker 13: Got shot and then silence.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Is difficult material. You can see the full Screams Before
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Silence documentary on YouTube. I've seen much more graphic material,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: footage of murders as they happened and the results of
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: them too, all far too horrible to show anybody on air.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: But let me show you some more of Screams before Silence,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: because what people like Professor Fernandes are effectively saying is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that these witnesses are lying, including the Israelis who attended
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the aftermath to collect the bodies.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: For this.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Man's lushing, but not women. That's okay. No one should
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: have to experience such horror, of course, and no one,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: especially someone charged with educating our young people, should deny
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the atrocities committed against the Israeli people, against Israeli women
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and children, atrocities aimed at sparking war and unleashing more
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: trauma and tragedy for Palestinians too, in order to perpetuate
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: entities and grievances. Anyone who denies the atrocities of Hummas
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or argues Hummas has any aspiration for peace, must be
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: deliberately ignorant. Let me bring in Simon Able. She's the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: head of Legal for the Executive Council of Australian Jury
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: and she's the one who lodged the complaint with Sydney University.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Simon. First up, you know that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: this professor was found to be in breach of the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: code of Ethics, of the standards at the university. Is
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: that a victory for you?
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: I don't see it as a victory, Chris, Thanks for
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: having me. I think you know it's a tragedy. What's happened.
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: There was a lecture hall full of students who heard
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: the words that you've just played, and for them, they
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: don't know the record has been set straight. You know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: there hasn't really been accountability and what are we doing
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: about these big systemic problems that we have at the universities.
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: The promotion of due hatred and the denial of October
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: seventh atrocities.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems extraordinary. In that clip, she talks about
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: suppressing the atrocities, and she's referring to Israel's response fighting
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to get Hamas. We know what's happened in that. We
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: know so many terrorists have been killed. We know tragically
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: there will have been civilians killed as well, but we
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: see it in graphic detail. The media all over it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Humaus get out a lot of misinformation, but we get
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: some correct reports about numbers, and we didn't have investorsations
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: when there have been some tragic misidentification and people have
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: been killed. We know Israel, for example, accidentally killed three
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: of its own hostages, But how could you, a logical
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: rational person, say there's been any denial of that. Yet
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: at the same side time deny the atrocities of October
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the seventh, which, if anybody wants to spend the time,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you can find so much horrific video footage showing exactly
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: what happened, exactly.
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: I think, you know, for all women and Jewish women particularly,
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: hearing those words was kind of an affront to our humanity.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: And I can only imagine how survivors of sexual violence
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: sitting in that lecture Hall felt as well as Jewish
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: and Israeli students who probably have close connections to many
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: of the victims of October seventh. I know for me,
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: I felt a sense of shock and disbelief when I
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: heard what was said.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't know what punish will be meted out
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to Professor Fernandez. Do you hope to find out and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: are you going to push the university for more action?
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: Look, I think transparency is key in situations like this.
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: Let's be clear, this is not about Professor Fernandez. This
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: is about a systemic problem that's festering at universities around Australia.
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: And there's so much data and evidence to demonstrate that
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: this is happening in so many different classrooms and tutorials
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: on campuses around Australia and we need to see accountability.
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: And that means that it's not about shaming necessarily of individuals.
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: It's about promoting a culture in which these sorts of
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: sentiments and fake information are not platformed and students are
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: not indoctrinated. And you know, it comes off of the
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: back of a huge amount of investment by government over
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: the last few years. We have the Change the Course Report,
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: we've had the National Student Safety Survey, We've had a
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: lot of work to seek accountability for victims of sexual
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  Speaker 8: violence on university campuses. It's the case that every academic
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: working at universities around Australia would have been trained and
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: would know about the harm inflicted when you deny sexual
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: violence that's been perpetrated against women and women of minority
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: backgrounds particularly, and it just perpetuates the suffering. So, you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: we need to get to the bottom of that. We
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: need the universities to show leadership. University of Sydney has
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: been particularly lacking in leadership. It's been well documented and
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: so we would like there to be more publicity around
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  Speaker 8: how the universities are going to treat people who are
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: promoting misinformation and disinformation here thatable minds.
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  Speaker 1: They're supposed to be places where facts take precedence and
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: they've got to get back to that. Thanks so much
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: for joining us, Simon. I appreciate it. Someone able there
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  Speaker 1: and the universities have got at universities sure have debates
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and about different views, but they've got to start with
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: facts and factual information from their lecturers. Surely. Now let's
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: move back to matters directly here on federal politics and
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: catch up with Zoey mackenzie, who's the Liberal member for
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the Victorian seat of Flinders, joins us from Melbourne. Good
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to talk to you, Zoey. I know you've got to
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: deep background in foreign policy and trade policy. You've worked
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: in that area for many years. So I want to
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: get yours assessment of Anthony Albanezi going to Tonga to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: attend the Pacific Islands Forum. Did he need to be
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: there and was it successful for him?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 14: Look, I do think it's important to be there. This
• 39:40
  Speaker 14: one actually is really important. The Pacific is our region,
• 39:43
  Speaker 14: it's our neighborhood. It's really important that we are seen
• 39:46
  Speaker 14: and heard and that we more importantly have an opportunity
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  Speaker 14: to listen to the views of those around us and
• 39:51
  Speaker 14: to make sure that Australia remains the firmest partner of
• 39:55
  Speaker 14: the Pacific that is possible. Did the Prime Minister have
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: a good run. I'm not sure. I got a bit
• 40:00
  Speaker 14: distracted by what looked like the New Zealand cricket uniform
• 40:03
  Speaker 14: from the nineteen eighties, but nevertheless he did have a
• 40:07
  Speaker 14: bit of a slip up, not knowing that there are
• 40:09
  Speaker 14: Mike's everywhere means we should all know that by now,
• 40:12
  Speaker 14: shouldn't we.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look we had a bit of them. Well,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: let's have a look at this because this shows a
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: bit of hypocrisy in my view. This is Anthony Albanezy
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: talking to the Victoria, the American diplomat, and they're patting
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: each other on their back about a policing initiative. Here
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: we go, we were going to do something in the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: ass ninety so we did nothing.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: We're just having a.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Chat giving you ballen. Colleen goes half.
• 40:35
  Speaker 15: He's on the cost if you touched you you blind?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Come on, Lydia. Yeah, there he goes. Lidia is the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: New Zealand journalist who's filming it. They're having this chat
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: right there in front of her and Albo joking about
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: whether America will split the cost of this thing for him.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Yet Albo had a winge about it. And have a look.
• 40:58
  Speaker 15: The video is what it is, mon. Yeah, it's up
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: to them to whoever did that, to think about their
• 41:06
  Speaker 15: own ethics when it comes to journalism. It was a
• 41:10
  Speaker 15: private conversation. It was a jovial conversation and a friendly one,
• 41:17
  Speaker 15: you know.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: It is what it is there are ethics? Is Albert
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: really trying to have a go at the journo's ethics
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: for filming him having a conversation.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: Isn't it outrageous?
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: I mean they have made hay for hot mics before,
• 41:31
  Speaker 14: right at length, over years. So I suggest he does
• 41:34
  Speaker 14: take a chill pill and explain himself properly to the
• 41:37
  Speaker 14: Australian people and indeed to the Pacific Islands. And indeed
• 41:41
  Speaker 14: he might need to explain to the Americans what it
• 41:43
  Speaker 14: means to go Harvey's because I'm not quite sure that here.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I've not heard the harvey'st thing myself actually,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: but you mentioned you must have been reading my notes,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: because yeah, Labor and Alban Easy, they've gone big on
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: hot mic episodes before. Here's Peter Dutton famously or infamously
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and thirty, and this related to the
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Pacific as well. Anyway, it was a good meeting. It
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: was a good meeting. Water ah that Tony Havitt laugh.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I missed that. Labour loved that so much. They used
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: it in some of the campaign ads that were complaining
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: about ethics.
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: Then they weren't, No, they weren't.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: They sit joining us Zoey Mackenzie. I appreciate it. Our
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: bo's hypocrisy in the Pacific. Now I've got to take
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: a break. On the other side of that, I'm going
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: to catch up with former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. I'm
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: can to get his thoughts on how Attorney General former
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Attorney General George Brand has Brandon Trump a threat to
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the West. Also, President Zelensky in Ukraine wants Ossie diplomats
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: back there. Let's go to Adelaide and catch up with
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: former Foreign Alexander Downer. Alexander, good to catch up with
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you again. I'm keen to get your thoughts on the
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Coalition announcing that we ought to get our ambassador back
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to Kiev in Ukraine currently out of country. They're making
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: this an election promise. Many many other countries have still
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: got their embassies open in the Ukrainian capital.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: We should be there, shouldn't we. Yes, there's obviously some
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: risk involved. It's relatively low, but it sends the wrong
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: message if we scurry your way because we're concerned we
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: don't support Ukraine. I think we should give strong support
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: to Ukraine. We kept an embassy in Afghanistan when I
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: was the foreign minister. We had one in Baghdad. I mean, yeah,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: there were risks involved, but they weren't very high.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: But there were risks.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: But the symbolism of pulling your embassy out, I mean,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: in the case of Ukraine, there's seventy or so countries
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: have embassies there and we don't. I think it's almost
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: embarrassing and it shows the lack of support for Ukraine.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's understandable that they evacuated in the early days
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of the Russian invasion. Most did, but so many got
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: back there pretty quickly and re established a beachhead. I mean,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: we've had so many world leaders and even celebrities turn
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: up and you have to have meetings and press conferences
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: with President Zelenski.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, of course, and our ministers and senior officials of
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: one kind or another have visited Ukraine. But the symbolism
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: of Australia not having an embassy there and yet seventy
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: countries having an embassy there, us not having an ambassador
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: on the ground, it's embarrassing. It makes us look weak.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Now I must be in a really depressed state of
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: funk because without laid out of the finals, because on
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Monday night, I punished myself by watching Q and A.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I want to show you something that was said by
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: someone you know well, former Attorney General George Brandis, who
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: went on to become High Commissioner in London as you
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: do so as you were. So he has some knowledge
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: of foreign affairs. And here's what he said about the
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: potential of President Trump returning to the White House.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: I do regard Trump, particularly what Trump's foreign policy would
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: look like, frankly, as a real danger to the West.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, he, in my view, would on day one
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: throw Zelenski under a bus. He would send a signal
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: to Putin that Putin can get away with what he liked.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: And who I mean? Does anybody seriously think that if
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: received that signal, he wouldn't chance his hand. It's just
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: somewhere like in the Baltic States. And if that were
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: to happen, does anybody believe that Trump would defend the
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: Baltic States.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Of Alexander Downer? Could George Branders be any more wrong? Well?
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think for a minute President Trump, if he
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: becomes the president again, will throw President Zelenski, more importantly,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: the people of Ukraine under a bus. I think what
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: he'll do is go to the Russians and make to
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: the Russian make to the Russians a very clear point,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: and that is that he will continue to arm and
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: arm to the extent that is necessary the Ukrainians to
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: ensure they can win the war. And so what the
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Russians would be best advised to do is start negotiating
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: a cease bar. I think that would be his approach.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: That's not a danger to anyone. I think the advantage
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: of I mean, there are disadvantages of a President Trump regime,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: but the advantage is that in dealing with Russia, in
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: dealing with Iran, and dealing with China, he would be
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: strong and decisive. He wouldn't be running this line, well,
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: we've got to be careful not to escalate and so on.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: He would say to the Iranians, you stop arming and
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: supporting these proxies who were trying to destroy Israel, and
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: you support a two state solution and then we can
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: have peace in the Middle East. But if you don't
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: do that, we will confront you and talk about different
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: ways of confronting Iran and with China, it's quite simple.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Don't mess around in the South China Sea in breach
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: of international law and don't put your hands on Taiwan,
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: and then we can coexist, go quite comfortably with each other.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: But I think that we need a president of the
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: United States who's strong and decisive. I think when he
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: was the president before Trump was that exactly.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: History bears that out of Trump, there's a downside, right,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: there is a downside. We haven't got time to go
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: through that now. But thanks for telling us that George
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Brandis was completely wrong without saying George Brandis was completely wrong.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Alexander down in there live from Adelaide.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I don't have time for any of your feedback, sadly,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: but it's very good as usual. I'll be back next week.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: In the meantime, here's Peter Quidlin.