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Episode 32: Ryan Flaherty, Senior Director of Performance Nike · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode thirty two of Hurdle, a podcast that
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  Speaker 1: talks to everyone from top CEOs to entrepreneurs about how
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  Speaker 1: they got through tough times hurdles of sorts by leaning
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  Speaker 1: into wellness. My name's Emila Badi, and today I'm chatting
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  Speaker 1: with Ryan Flaherty. He's the senior director of Performance at Nike.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. I actually recorded this episode a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks back and Nike Campus in Beaverton, just outside
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  Speaker 1: of Portland, which is, for the record, just as absolutely
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  Speaker 1: amazing and outrageous as you probably think it is. And
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  Speaker 1: now I'm recording this intro on the road in Austin.
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  Speaker 1: I'm feeling all sorts of sentimental and super satisfied as
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  Speaker 1: this year comes to a close about how special it
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  Speaker 1: is that I've had the opportunity to travel to so
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  Speaker 1: many awesome places since I started the pod almost a
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  Speaker 1: year ago. Before we get into Ryan's story, shout out
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Ryan Ryan has, from my point of view, one
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  Speaker 1: of the most awesome cool jobs in the world. Over
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  Speaker 1: the course of a normal day, the senior director of
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  Speaker 1: Performance could do everything from Sinnama meetings about content creation
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  Speaker 1: for the Nike Training Club app, edit a script for
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  Speaker 1: Nike's podcast called Trained.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of my absolute favorites.
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  Speaker 1: Program workouts for athletes he works with around the world,
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  Speaker 1: including Serena Williams, and try to find a second to
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  Speaker 1: breathe in between. What's insane is that a much younger
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  Speaker 1: Ryan never envisioned this for himself. Growing up as an athlete,
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  Speaker 1: he had the opportunity to play professional football when his
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  Speaker 1: third ACL and jury land him off the field for good.
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  Speaker 1: What he learned throughout the rehab process was that he
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  Speaker 1: was doing a lot of things in his training that
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  Speaker 1: weren't the best and he could have ultimately prevented what happened.
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  Speaker 2: It was a hurdle moment of sorts.
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  Speaker 1: He knew he wanted to help other athletes avoid injury
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  Speaker 1: and going down that same path.
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  Speaker 2: That's when he started studying human movement.
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  Speaker 1: Sciences and performance and well that journey led him to
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  Speaker 1: the swoosh. In today's episode, Ryan shares so much info
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  Speaker 1: about building a better body, and the mental takeaways are phenomenal,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to the importance of saying no
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  Speaker 1: and having grid as always Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, you know
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  Speaker 2: There are a ton of takeaways here.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, so please share your favorites on your
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  Speaker 1: ig story and make sure to tag the podcast. Definitely
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  Speaker 1: check out Nike's podcast Trained. My favorite episode is, without
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  Speaker 1: a doubt, the one with Matt Frazier, who I've also
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  Speaker 1: been lucky enough to interview this year. And uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: shoot me an email Emily at Hurdle dot us to
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  Speaker 1: say hi or share a hurdle moment of your own.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, Let's get to hurdling. I'm in the studio
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  Speaker 1: today with Ryan Flarerty. He's the senior director of Performance
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  Speaker 1: at Nike. I'm kind of having an out of body
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  Speaker 1: experience at the moment right now. So I have a
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  Speaker 1: slew of podcast that I listen to and Nike's Trained
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  Speaker 1: is one of them.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome, Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: And Ryan is the voice behind me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I told him when I'm recording with Andy recently,
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  Speaker 1: who you also had thee of recording Andy Puticum from Headspace.
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  Speaker 4: He walked into the room and I was like, this
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  Speaker 4: is the same feeling now.
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  Speaker 5: I had the feeling with him too, it is, it's
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  Speaker 5: like a different It's because I listened to him's voice
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  Speaker 5: so much that it just.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it has a weird, weird effect on you.
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  Speaker 4: Are you a big headspacer I am?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, a lot a lot of the athletes
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  Speaker 3: I work with too.
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  Speaker 5: It's like something we I really promote big with them
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  Speaker 5: because I mean it has a lot of effects, but
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  Speaker 5: really being able to kind of allow you to have
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  Speaker 5: another form of stress management outside of just exercise and
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  Speaker 5: training and you know, the normal kind of ones. It
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  Speaker 5: just has a different kind of calming effect that is
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  Speaker 5: really important for recovery and you know, for a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people who struggle with having a lot going on
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  Speaker 5: in their lives. So yeah, I'm a big component of it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it that it's great to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear a little bit about your backstory,
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  Speaker 1: what you've been doing, and maybe the right way to
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  Speaker 1: ease into this is actually telling me what is it
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  Speaker 1: that you do here at Nike, and that'll lead us
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  Speaker 1: into what you were doing before you showed up.
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  Speaker 3: So Nike's an interesting place.
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  Speaker 5: It's one of those where you have a ton of
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  Speaker 5: opportunity to create really what you want to hear, and
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  Speaker 5: it's a good thing, and it's also makes it it
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  Speaker 5: difficult sometimes because you can get caught in trying to
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  Speaker 5: do a lot of things. And so I've learned over
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  Speaker 5: the two and a half years of being here now
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  Speaker 5: that you really have to find the areas that you believe,
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  Speaker 5: you know are going to have the biggest effect in
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  Speaker 5: being able to kind of help the company the best
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  Speaker 5: way possible and in the ways that they're asking you
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  Speaker 5: to do it. So I'm you know, my backgrounds in
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  Speaker 5: actually science, but I have a massive passion for training athletes,
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  Speaker 5: and so I was brought in to really help our
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  Speaker 5: training category stay on the forefront and cutting edge of
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  Speaker 5: what there is out to offer.
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  Speaker 3: In training and the science.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, you know, people don't realize this, but even like
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  Speaker 5: on PubMed, which is one of the research journals I
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  Speaker 5: read daily, there's one hundred thousand research studies published a month, right,
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  Speaker 5: one every three minutes. So if you're we're not, especially
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  Speaker 5: as a brand, that's that's you know, living in the
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  Speaker 5: in the space of training and holistic you know, health
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  Speaker 5: and wellness. If you're not on top of it, you
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  Speaker 5: can get passed very quickly or be caught in kind
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  Speaker 5: of sharing information. That's that's that's outdated or or you know,
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  Speaker 5: debunked in a way. So I really help our category
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  Speaker 5: stay in line with what's current and what research and
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  Speaker 5: science is telling us is the future or present day
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  Speaker 5: of human performance. And then I work with our digital
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  Speaker 5: team to bring forth an app that is training app
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  Speaker 5: and Nike Training Club, which is training app that all
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  Speaker 5: of our top master trainers in the world contribute to
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  Speaker 5: and write workouts for. So I work on that a lot.
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  Speaker 5: It's a big part of my day. I host the
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  Speaker 5: Trained podcast, which is, as you know, a lot of work,
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  Speaker 5: way more work than I ever imagined it would be.
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  Speaker 4: I'm buds with a lot of the Nike master trainers.
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  Speaker 4: Oh are you Yeah, you know, like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good friends with Joe Holding they are.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah know that the the they're that whole team
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  Speaker 5: out there is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: They're they're they're a great New York spot of trainers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they are.
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  Speaker 5: And so it's that it's the so helping our category,
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  Speaker 5: helping the digital team with the app apps and the
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  Speaker 5: growth of what that becomes because it's it started as
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  Speaker 5: just a training app, but now it's like starting to
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  Speaker 5: incorporate so much more around recovery and sleep and nutrition
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  Speaker 5: and mindset. And then I sit on the Nike Performance Council,
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  Speaker 5: which I sit in the training role, but we have
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  Speaker 5: experts from sleep, nutrition, recovery, mindset and experts who don't
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  Speaker 5: work at Nike. They're they're external, so they they're they're
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  Speaker 5: at Stanford or m I T or Harvard and all
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  Speaker 5: over the world.
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  Speaker 3: Really Berkeley are sleep experts at Berkeley too.
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  Speaker 5: So I work with that team to help us stay
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  Speaker 5: you know, up up front on an up to date
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  Speaker 5: on what's happening in the world in their expertise and arenas.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, because we can't be experts in everything,
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  Speaker 5: so we want to really make sure we surround ourselves
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  Speaker 5: with the right people in the world of performance. So
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  Speaker 5: it's all of those things, I guess is what I do.
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  Speaker 4: And was there a job posting for this coalition or
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  Speaker 4: did they create this for you or how.
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  Speaker 5: I So, I've been training athletes for fifteen years and
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  Speaker 5: my backgrounds in extraly science. I saw I was an
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  Speaker 5: athlete like you know a lot of people growing up
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  Speaker 5: and had an opportunity to play professionally. But I was
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  Speaker 5: injured I football, So I track and fields my first love.
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  Speaker 5: I ran track all through college, but then football is
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  Speaker 5: really was was the sport I.
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  Speaker 3: Was the best at. I guess.
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  Speaker 5: So I got injured three ACL injuries actually throughout my career,
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  Speaker 5: which is pretty narly, and rushed through rehabit all of
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  Speaker 5: them and then the last one that ended my career.
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  Speaker 5: I learned through the rehab process that you know, I
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  Speaker 5: was doing a lot of things in my training that
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  Speaker 5: I could have probably prevented, you know, what occurred from happening.
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  Speaker 5: As we know know, like you know, ACL injuries, there's
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  Speaker 5: there's a big contributor of you know, asymmetry and balances,
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  Speaker 5: lack of internal rotation to the femur. There's like tons
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  Speaker 5: of reasons ways you can help, you know, mitigate risk
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  Speaker 5: of injury.
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  Speaker 4: But I love that you just spit fire all these
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  Speaker 4: terms you like.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry if I get super nerdy, you gotta shut
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  Speaker 3: me down.
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  Speaker 5: But through that process of like rehaving my own body
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  Speaker 5: through with therapists I was working with, I learned.
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  Speaker 3: Quickly like wow, I could have avoided this.
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  Speaker 5: So at that point it was it was a major
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  Speaker 5: turning point in my life in my early twenties to
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  Speaker 5: where I was like, I want to help other athletes
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  Speaker 5: avoid this. So I really took my undergrad of human
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  Speaker 5: movement science and I went and got more education around
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  Speaker 5: you know, actually science and training, and that's how my
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  Speaker 5: career started.
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  Speaker 3: And then through that, I you know, I literally started
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  Speaker 3: working and training in.
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  Speaker 5: Kids like that was my first job was high school
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  Speaker 5: kids and middle school kids is as a trainer.
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  Speaker 1: It's really interesting to me that you just use your
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  Speaker 1: career and to different very two very different instances, like
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  Speaker 1: your sports career, and then you turn it around and
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  Speaker 1: you say, well, that's how my career got started. It's
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  Speaker 1: like you have this huge hurdle moment of sorts, kind
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  Speaker 1: of probably coming to terms with something that maybe you
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  Speaker 1: thought could spill into something else, like maybe you thought
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  Speaker 1: that you could keep doing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh for sure?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I really did. I thought I would,
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  Speaker 5: you know, be I never had a plan outside playing sports. Really,
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  Speaker 5: that was like the only plan I had, which was,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a great learning moment because a lot of times,
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  Speaker 5: what I've found throughout my career of working with tons
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  Speaker 5: of athletes who actually dreams don't work out, is that
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  Speaker 5: a lot of times our dreams aren't actually what our
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  Speaker 5: destiny is.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Where I think our dreams that we have will are
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  Speaker 5: is grooming us where what our ultimate destiny is.
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  Speaker 3: And that's very true for in my case.
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  Speaker 5: Where my sport career really and that dream really shaped
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  Speaker 5: me into becoming what I was meant to become, which
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  Speaker 5: was working and training with athletes and understanding the.
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  Speaker 3: Science of it all.
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  Speaker 5: And so throughout my twenties, I worked with a lot
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  Speaker 5: of different athletes, and then I was fortunate to start
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  Speaker 5: working with a lot of big name football player Serena Williams.
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  Speaker 5: I started training her and Nike inviting me to be
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  Speaker 5: on the Performance Council about eight years ago, and so
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  Speaker 5: I was coming in and out of Nike working in
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  Speaker 5: a kind of consultant way, we're meeting with the innovation
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  Speaker 5: team or a science team and trying to help them
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  Speaker 5: develop products. And one thing led to another where Nike
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  Speaker 5: started to look at how how can we maybe potentially
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  Speaker 5: in the future, look at helping people outside of just
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  Speaker 5: footwear and apparel, because as we all know, the world
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  Speaker 5: is going in that direction, right Like how many more
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  Speaker 5: twenty year old high school kids do twenty year olds
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  Speaker 5: and high school kids you hear talking about sleep and
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  Speaker 5: recovery and training than before. I mean, I it's been
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  Speaker 5: a massive shift, and I think that's where Nike sees
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  Speaker 5: it as well, and so I think they realized they
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  Speaker 5: wanted to bring somebody in house who could help kind
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  Speaker 5: of steer us down that direction or at least just
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  Speaker 5: show help Nike see what is possible and what's out there.
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's how my.
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  Speaker 5: Relationship started with Nike, was through the Performance Council and
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  Speaker 5: training our top athletes like Serena, and then through that
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  Speaker 5: they yeah, they off. They asked me to come up
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  Speaker 5: full time, which I did not expect and didn't see
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  Speaker 5: and I never planned. Honestly, I'm the perfect example of
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  Speaker 5: someone who's who shouldn't have a corporate job, like my
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  Speaker 5: brain cannot.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of people I here could
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  Speaker 3: tell you that I am.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I am not the most like organized, responsive.
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  Speaker 3: Person in the world.
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  Speaker 5: And I chose my career as a trainer for a reason,
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  Speaker 5: Like my brain works that way, Like one on one
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  Speaker 5: I can be super present and help you accomplish all
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  Speaker 5: the goals you need. But when it's like ten thousand
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  Speaker 5: emails and things going on all over as where I
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  Speaker 5: start to fall apart. So I have a lot of
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  Speaker 5: help here that's helped keep me on in line. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so that's how it all came to life, and now
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  Speaker 5: it's just kind of taken on a whole nother life
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  Speaker 5: of its own in a way because Nike changes so fast.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just super exciting and cool.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned some big names that you worked with. I
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  Speaker 1: know you've also worked with Russell Wilson, right, Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: spoke with him on the phone a few months ago
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  Speaker 1: article for GQ, And it's funny to hear your perspective
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  Speaker 1: on everyone's talking about sleep and recovery and mental space,
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  Speaker 1: because man, he was talking that to me.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean it's like if that's kind of
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  Speaker 5: your ticket in now, if you don't do all of
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  Speaker 5: those things, you're going to be left behind, I think now.
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  Speaker 3: And there's so much talent.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, we go all into like the research
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  Speaker 5: behind how talent is not the most important thing anymore.
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  Speaker 5: It's really you know, grit and the ability to kind
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  Speaker 5: of do a lot of things really well. And because
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  Speaker 5: there's so many talented people out there, if you're not
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  Speaker 5: like recovering and taking care of yourself and sleeping and
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  Speaker 5: you know, focusing on your mindset and your discipline starts
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  Speaker 5: to suffer and you make bad choices, like you will
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  Speaker 5: be passed up really quickly. And I think that's not
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  Speaker 5: just in sport, it's in all aspects of life and
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  Speaker 5: so and you know, human performance. So I think that
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  Speaker 5: there's so many more athletes even talking that way, and
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  Speaker 5: that's a lot of it has to do with like
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  Speaker 5: them being strounded by really good teams of people to
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  Speaker 5: help them. And Russell's got you know, sports psychologists he
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  Speaker 5: works with, and the nutritionis and he's got a chef
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  Speaker 5: and there's a lot of people around them to help them.
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  Speaker 5: But it's something that I think always the elite athletes
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  Speaker 5: in the world, what they're exposed to and what they
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  Speaker 5: do always gets distill down to the rest of us.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's like a big part of what
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  Speaker 5: I am so excited about doing at Nike is helping
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  Speaker 5: the rest of the world, like a little kid in
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  Speaker 5: the Philippines potentially getting the same information that Russell Wilson
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  Speaker 5: or Sinda Williams gets.
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  Speaker 4: So I love that idea, the phrase the rest of us.
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  Speaker 1: When you started to work with these big name elite
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  Speaker 1: athletes or these big name people, maybe not all of
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  Speaker 1: them to be athletes, just people that want to be
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  Speaker 1: more fit, did you ever have a point where you
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  Speaker 1: had some imposter syndrome You're like, why is Russell Wilson
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  Speaker 1: listening to me?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I mean I still have that. I still
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  Speaker 3: sometimes I'm like, when am I going to get out
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  Speaker 3: over my skis?
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  Speaker 5: Or like Serena Williams, if I say this one thing
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  Speaker 5: during she does it like this could have a massive
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  Speaker 5: impact on her in her career, in her life, or
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  Speaker 5: even at Nike, it's like, oh, Wow, did that person
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  Speaker 5: just really listen to me? Because I better be sure
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  Speaker 5: that I know what I'm talking about. So sometimes, but
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  Speaker 5: I also think that's where you know same thing goes
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  Speaker 5: for me. All the things I share and preach with
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  Speaker 5: my athletes, I also have to put into practice in
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  Speaker 5: my own life. And so much of you know, confidence
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  Speaker 5: in a way is defined by a lot of psychologists
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  Speaker 5: out there as self talk, and how we talk to
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  Speaker 5: ourselves really determines our confidence. And so I work with
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  Speaker 5: that with my athletes every day of you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: not so much of you just showing up and having confidence,
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  Speaker 5: it's also and people way say, oh, it's in preparation,
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  Speaker 5: and that's true, but it's also in just like how
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  Speaker 5: we converse with ourselves. And there's a quote that says
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  Speaker 5: like successful people talk themselves and people who aren't listening
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  Speaker 5: to themselves, And I think that's so true. You've got
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  Speaker 5: to be able to talk to yourself and say like
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  Speaker 5: I'm enough, I'm good enough, I'm you know, I'm the
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  Speaker 5: right person to be helping here, and trust that you've
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  Speaker 5: been put there for a reason. And so yeah, we
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  Speaker 5: all have to face that a lot of times in
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  Speaker 5: our life.
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  Speaker 4: I've thrown this around on the pod before.
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  Speaker 1: It's that quote that you are the person that talks
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  Speaker 1: to yourself the most in any given day, for sure.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: And it's like WHOA.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: When you take a step back and you realize, like
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: what that dialogue is Like, if it's negative, you're the
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: person that's just putting yourself at the disadvantage, and you
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: get to make the choice if you're going to put
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: yourself in the disadvantage or you're going to put yourself
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: in a better situation. You were talking about trying to
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: make sure that whatever you're preaching to your clients and
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: the people that you work with are things that you
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: yourself are at least attempting. Yeah, what would you say
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: has been one of the hardest things for you to
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: incorporate in your day to day?
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think for me, I struggle with
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: time management, especially I just had a baby, so thank
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: you so much.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been amazing.
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: But a little guy, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: A little boy and so bow it was very Nike.
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: It was my wife's choice. But it's like it'll be
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: cool because at some point we'll be able to reference
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: this time or life what was going on. But yeah, so,
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: like sleep obviously is really tough when you have a newborn.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: And but for me, I think personally I struggle with
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: convenience and like, oh, i'm traveling, I just got to
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: grab food real quick. I'm just gonna stop and eat
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: the sandwich really quick. So for me, nutritional nutrition is
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: really the hardest aspect for me. I also, like throughout
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: my playing career, needed to eat a lot to gain
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: a bunch of weight to play the position I played,
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: So I was training myself early on to eat in
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: a way to fuel my performance. Which now when I'm
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: shifting from competition to longevity and aging, I really have
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: to focus on making choices in my daily life and
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: nutrition to allow me to have the healthiest, longest life
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: I can possibly have. So nutrition, hands down is probably
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: my biggest struggle, I would say, and being disciplined in
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: that way.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: I totally co sign the nutrition being the big struggle.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I will not say by any means that like my
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: fitness is one hundred percent on point, but I do
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: a ton of fitness sure, Especially for my work. I'm
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: doing a lot of like work workouts, and I just
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: used air quotes. It's like I meet someone for a
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: meeting and we're doing it over some sort of sweat.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: I do sometimes two days, sometimes three days if the.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Day calls for it. So I'm working out all the time.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: But I totally co sign with you that the nutrition
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: aspect it's hard to nail down.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: It really is.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: When you think about the things that you're doing nutrition
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: wise lately, what are some maybe easy things you would
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: suggest to someone incorporate into their every day who's also
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: just really thinking about long jem making healthier choices and
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: kind of living that little maybe just a slight upgrade
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: of what they're already doing.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. I mean, I think the biggest thing is
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: two things.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: I think First, what we know now is to get
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: any type of behavior changer, to create any type of
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: long term change in our lives, it requires us to
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: start very small. Like so I would just say, don't
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: try to look at sweeping lifestyle changes. Just pick something
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: for one week you're going to try, Like maybe one
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: week I'm going to start, I'm going to just try
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: taking dairy out of my diet for a little bit
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: to see how I feel or do reduce sugar.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: So I actually I.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Do a lot of blood work, so I unfortunate to
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: like get an inside look at constantly as to like
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: how my diet is affecting my blood, and dairy doesn't
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: have as big of an impact on me through both
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: GI track distress and inflammation that I need to really
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: like eliminate it. I reduce it though I don't eat
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: a ton of dairy, so I reduce it. But I
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: think the number one thing I would say for people
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: is when you look at like the standard American diet
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: and it's backronym being sad, which is very sad because
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: it is sad, there's two ways you can go. It's
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: dietary restriction is one, and the other is time restricted feeding.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: So you can dietary restriction meaning like what I mentioned
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: like lowering your sugar intake or reducing your dairy intake,
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: and then the other being you know, eating in windows
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: throughout the day to allow yourself to benefits from the
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: effects of fasting without completely fasting and or changing your
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: diet like full stop or any type of restriction. So
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: you can do like eighteen six eight sixteen windows like
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: eating for eight hour sixteen hours fasting, or you can
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: do some form of dietary restriction. And I would say
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: just start there, even if it's there's results through research
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: like Vulture Longo at the aging and longebvans to at
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: USC has done a ton around fasting, mimicking diets and
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: restricted time restricted feeding and the benefits of it, and
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: they're seeing benefits all way up to eleven hours.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: So that's something that you can play with.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: But again I will say this, and I have to
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: say this, that every single person on the plant is
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: unique and that no one thing works for everybody, and
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: you have to kind of self experiment.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, by the time science catches up.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: To where we're at nutritionally, like even in the world
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: of training, it'll be way too late for all of us.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: So you got a self experiment. You got to see
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: how you feel.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: And I think what most people realize is they don't
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: I don't think you realize how bad you feel after
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: you eat until you start taking things out and you're like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: oh my gosh, yeah, and you realize. You know, I
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: did this one thing, this little test on myself, and
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: then I like, I waited five days, and then the
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: fifth day, I was like, oh my gosh, I can't
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: take and I ate it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I ordered a large pizza like I just was.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm ordering domot.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I did a fast, So I fasted for five days,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: which is okay. Yep.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Again, me personally doing it. No one else would do
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: that if they unless met a supervision. But I ate
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: a pizza and I felt like the worst I've ever
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: felt after eating anything, And it was a really like
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: light bulb moment for me. Of I think we get
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: so our body, we just get so used to feeling
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: a certain type of way after eating that we don't
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: realize the effects that food is having on us. And
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: you know, I can go in all all this research
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: around nutrition and kind of some of the things we're
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: facing as a society, but really I think it just
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: starts with just making small changes and self experimenting and
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: don't wait for science to tell you one thing. Just
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: try it on your own yourself and you know whether
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: it's sugar or dairy or you know, COLI restricted or
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: taking time windows of eating and fasting. I think give
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: it all a shot and see how you feel.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Ih I feel like a lot of the most fit
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: humans I know are intermittent fasters. A question I have,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I guess relating to that is if you're someone who
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: wants to try that but feels like maybe it's not
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: in your wheelhouse, like all seven days of the week,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: is that something worth trying for? Like four or five
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: days a week or if you mess up, should you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: just like completely abandoned ship, Like what's the mentality behind that?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: No?
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I would say you could even give it
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: a shot for three days. I mean it's there's never
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: a bad with like trying something for period of time
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: and then on the weekends. Socially you want to have
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: dinner with people late, like especially New York where you're from, Like,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: and that's.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: A break and that's a breakdown really quick. So if
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you're doing intermittent fasting generally speaking, what are the guidelines
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: on that?
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So so one thing people kind of kind of
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: confuse a little bit as there's two different forms. So
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: time restricted feeding, which is daly eight hour windows of
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: eating sixteen hours of fasting is time restricted feeding. Intermint
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: fasting is like five days of eating, one day of fasting,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: five days of eating, one day fasting or whatever. So
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: there's two separate types that you're talking about. So time
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: restricted feeding is the windows of time that you eat
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: in the day and then the windows you fast. I
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: think you can absolutely like adjust your window to earlier
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: in the morning or later. I mean, like I said,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: they're showing results up to eleven hours, So that's that's
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: basically like nine to eight pm. That's that's all day almost,
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: you know. So it's not that even that's not even
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: really that hard. But what people don't realize is that
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: those two glasses of wine at eleven thirty or that
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: dessert at ten thirty at night, bright before you go
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: to bed is actually pretty harmful because your body is
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: no longer active, so you're in a resting state, and
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: those calories, that sugar, the glucoses all have needing somewhere
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: to go, but yet you're not, you know, spending any energy.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: So it's just it's understanding when you're eating and what
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: times is important, and trying to kind of push your
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: calories in your in your all your macros the earlier
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: part of the day and that way, it's when you're
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: most active, it's when you're most alive, and then later
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: in the day trying to reduce that a little bit.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Got it, got it?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I want to nerd out with you for a second
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: over some of the stuff you talked to Tim Ferriss about.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what nickim did he give you?
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I hate this nickname, thevant of speed?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: You hate the nickname?
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean, it's just like I.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Told everybody about it on your website.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: It's on your website. You're like, dub this savant of
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Speed by Tim Ferris.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Oh my wife, but I did not.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Don't you let her know?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I trouble you.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Guys talked a lot about the benefits of strength training,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: specifically deadlifting, when it comes to speed gains.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I think that maybe.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Toning it down a little bit more accessible for someone
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: who is just maybe a recreational runner interested in picking
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: up the pace a little bit. What are some small
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: tweaks that they can make to shift and dial up
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that performance to the next level.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt. So we all run. I mean, so
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: we're talking secifically to people who you know are runner.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: So if you're not like a power athlete, you're running
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: a forty yard datione hundred meters dash, it's you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: that's more the stuff I talked about with Tim is
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: more related to that. So if you're just an everyday runer,
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: someone who's running a five k or ten k, one
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: of the things you look at is so an example
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: would be like a marathon, right, So the average the
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: average amount of strides in a marathon is about twenty
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: thousand steps. Well, if you have an imbalance between your
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: right to left legs. When we don't run from right
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: to right or left to left, we run from right
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: leg to left leg, left late to right leg. So
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: if there's an imbalance or asymmetry between your right and
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: left leg and your ability to create force and push
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: off the ground, you will have a shorter stride length
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: on either side, and ultimately, over twenty thousand steps, that
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: will add up. So if you can improve that discrepancy
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: in any way through your training, it'll it'll give you
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: an advantage and allow you to be more efficient without
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: really needing to change any of your running workout or
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: template in any way.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: So and that's where the deadlifting came in. You said
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you did that with med.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so the good A good way to improve your
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: stride length is to increase your lower body strength without
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: adding a ton of extra muscle mass. Now, there's a
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: lot of ways to do this, so I don't just
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: have athletes solely dead lift, which I think is important
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: in the state.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that go into this.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of different types of exercises and auxiliary
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: lifts and single egg work that we do, you know
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: a lot of work that we do.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: To improve that.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: So for everybody listening, I think a great way to
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: incorporate is with a deadlift is to only do the
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: concentric portion of the extra So let's say you're sitting
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: in a chair, right, So the lowering portion is the
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: centric phase, and then the standing portion is the concentric
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: phase like in a squat, same thing in a dead lift.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: The eccentric phase is.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Where you actually you know your your muscle tissue tears
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: and repairs, and you add lean muscle mass is the
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: lowering portion. So if you remove that, your body will
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: be stressed in a way to recruit motor units and
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: to to actually get stronger without adding in a muscle
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: mass or damage. So your body won't repair muscle mass
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: in any way. And so if you just stand up
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: with the weight and then drop it, you'll actually avoid
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: the adding of lean muscle mass which increase body weight,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: and it also will help you not be super sore
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: where you can actually do it the next day. If
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: you bought your central nervous system is recovered enough and
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: your running won't be affected by because you won't have
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: like soreness or delayed onset muscle soreness like you do
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: in other exercises. So it makes it really beneficial for
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: runners because it won't impede your running training in any way,
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: but it will stresser your nervous system, recruit motor units,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: and allow you to become stronger without adding any additional weight.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: So if you think about it like, this is just
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: as simple as I can explain it is. If you
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: went out and did your like two miles today and
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: you added a twenty pound weight vest on your back,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: I will guarantee you your time will be slower and
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: your sty length.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Will be shorter.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Now do the reverse of getting twenty pounds stronger, but
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: don't add a single pound of body weight, and the
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: run will become easier, more efficient, and your stride link
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: will increase. So it's a very simple concept. But there's
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: ways you can do that in the weight room that
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: will allow you to be more efficient and feel better
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: and your runs without adding muscle or size that a
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: lot of runners don't want to add.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is this a I'm just like sitting here listening
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to you, nodding my head and thinking about how it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: got to feel for you to be the person that's
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: getting interviewed right now, Like, is that is that a
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: weird thing for you now that you've been hosting this podcast.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean honestly, like before I started doing the
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: podcast this summer with Nike, I was on a lot
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: of podcasts, So it was really weird for me actually
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: to be interviewing more than it is to be a
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: guess like I'm I'm I love talking about this stuff.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Like what you do actually is way harder for me. Yeah,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: where you're like having to be present and listen to
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: what people are saying, and you have all these lists
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: of questions and if like someone answers the tenth question
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: you were going to ask them and you have to
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: cross it out in your mind, you're like, oh no,
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: don't answer.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: You know you have to. It's hard.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: It's like a it's a serious skill that I did
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: not realize what's going to be so difficult. So I
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: have more respect for you than I do for the
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: person sitting over here, because that's a harder job.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I have a ton of respect for you when you
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: think about the people that you get to work with,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: or maybe even the people that you've sat in this
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: very recording booth with here in Portland. My question for
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you is what has been one of the most valuable
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: lessons that someone you've crossed paths with in your career
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: has taught you.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Let's see, I mean, I think one of the things
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: I think I've learned over the years is that when
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: you are around a lot of incredible athletes who have
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: reached the highest peak in their in their game and
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: their sport, which you start to realize and recognize as
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: you spend a lot of time with each of them,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: is that they all do some things very very consistently.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: And I think, you know, I always talk about on
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: the podcast like success leaves clues and if you pay
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: attention to success people and whatever you're in life, you
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: want to be successful. And I think that's like it's
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: worth saying that because you know someone at home may
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: be listening. Like for me now, my priorities have changed,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Like my number one goal in life is to be
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: the great dad, Like that's number one, and the great husband,
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: and then outside of that then my you know, the
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: work I'm doing with Nike and all the other stuff
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: comes into into play. But so if your greatest goal
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: is to be the you know, the best mom, in
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: the world, the best you know, husband in the world,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: the best friend in the world. I think it relates
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: to you as well. It's not just about being a
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: great athlete or a great business person. So I say
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: that as a kind of just an aside, but so
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: in that The greatest advice I ever got was from
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: a sports psychologist that I worked with with a lot
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: of different athletes. His name is arc to Kevin Elco,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: but he told me one day, he said that the
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: number one change that I try to get to all
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: of the athletes I work with to do is to
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: start looking at life in a way where you look
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: at things that happen and understand that they don't happen
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: to you, they happen for you. And I think that,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: like in and of itself, helped shift something inside of
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: me of looking at everything that we go through. Every
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: person on the planet, everyone listening to this podcast will
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: have things come up in life that will challenge us
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: and be obstacles or challenges that we may think at
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: the time is unfair, which it probably is, or you know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: something that they can overcome, But if they look at
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: it different and they just shift the slight filter of
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: this isn't happening to me, It's happening for me, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: they take themselves out of being a victim and take
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: ownership of it and say, how can I learn from
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: this and be better? I think their life will drastically
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: change in that moment, and it did for me. When
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: I heard that, it was like wow, because I mean,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: I like, early in my life, I struggled a lot
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: of different things that happened, and life stuff happened to
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: where I felt like, maybe you know, I'm not gonna
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: become the person I envisioned myself being when I was
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: a kid, or maybe you know my dreams are all
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: going to like not work out the way they did.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: And obviously today I can stay here and say that
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: that definitely is not true. It's just in how you
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: view life and some of those challenges that come up.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: If if you look at it as I'm happening for you,
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: it'll be a different filter that will allow you to
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: kind of learn rather than be the victim in a way.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: That answer alone made me like want to book my
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: next trip back to Portland so we could do this again.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: And I can hear about all of the others thing, No.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: There is I'm very fortunate to be around some of
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: the athletes I'm around and some of the experts I'm around,
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: because they just share like gold all the time, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: it's it is, it's like so much. So many people
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: don't realize that, Like, it's really the way our minds
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: work that separate us from where we are to where
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: we want to be.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I think we look at all the other factors of
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: like I.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Don't have enough money, or I don't have I don't
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: know enough people, or you know, I'm not talented enough.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: But really, if you can change the way your brain
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: processes information and views every single thing in life and
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: give your like structure a process and live in vision
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: and not in circumstance, I think you will reach any
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: goal you want. And I've seen people who come from zero.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: I mean I'm talking like they should not be alive
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: today and are you know some of the most successful
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: people in the world, And it's purely because they just
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: thought differently and they did not allow themselves to take
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: in all the inputs from the outside world that told
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: them they weren't good enough or they couldn't do it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: And I think that's that's important, especially like in today's day, right,
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: like social media is, it'll tell you more times that
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: you're not good enough than it will tell you you are.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: And I think that's you've got to really make sure.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: The one thing I will say is control your inputs
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: of like what do you let what information, what voice
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: or what message are you letting in? Because that's ultimately
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: going to be a greater dictator of what where you're
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: going than anything. So controlling your inputs is also another
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: little kind of nugget that I've been given over the
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: years that really really has changed.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: The way I live.
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• 32:19
  Speaker 1: sitting with Ryan Flaherty. He's the senior director of Performance
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: here at Nike. You you're throwing down all these like
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: gems of mantras and you're talking about all this amazing
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: research that you're checking out on the regular.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Were you a really good student growing up? Or No?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: No, terrible?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And I feel like that for me as I studied
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: five years ago to become a certified personal trainer. But
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: even in getting that certification, when I started studying for it,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: in my mind at first, I was like, you weren't
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a really good test taker when you were younger. And
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like as we grow up and we keep
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: like obtaining knowledge from other sources. We think about the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: things that we can do with it, and we have
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: this like stigma that like, oh, I'm not that I'm
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: not really good at doing it this way, or I'm
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: not really good at doing it this way. So it's
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: so interesting to me to hear that you're getting all
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: of this knowledge on the regular and you're so good at.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Talking about it now. To know about like what you
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: were like when you were younger.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, no, I mean, yeah, no, I get
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: that question actually a lot, because but it's funny. I
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: think when I was a kid, I really struggled with
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: like the format of how school was. I just struggled
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: in kind of being sat in one subject or you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: in areas that I didn't wasn't interested in. I really struggled.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: But it wasn't until I actually got to grad school
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: where I was studying things that I knew I would
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: use and I loved, like learning about the body because
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: I was going to go use this with an athlete
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: later that day. I was I could retain that information
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: like nothing else, and it was interesting enough. When I
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: was a kid, I loved math. I was actually the
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: captain of my mathic team, but I was getting like
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: c's and d's in every other subject.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever met a real life math
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: I was a captain of my eighth grade team. Actually
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: we liked all these high schools and we won a lot.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: But like and all the other subject like English, I was,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: I did not do well in English. I didn't do
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: well in a lot of other subjects, but math I
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: was no. I know, And it would drive my mom
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: nuts because she was like, how are you so good
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: in math but you're so bad on all these other subjects.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: And I think it was just because I just I
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: think part of it was just there was always an answer,
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: and I really dug that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: It was a subjective, you know.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: So I think that and I end up using it now,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: like I use math models to train my athletes and
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: look at recovery and taper and performance and all that stuff.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: So it's all comes full circle.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: I think it's just a matter of if you're a
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: parent out there, if you're younger and you're still in school,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: I think focusing in the areas that you're really good in.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: I think remember that at some point in your life
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: you may be actually using that, and so it's important
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: to remember. But in the other subjects you're not good at,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: I think you know, you probably won't use them again.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: But it's you still need to get good grades. I
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: wish I would have got better grades.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: But whatever I think, you're doing this, it is what
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I've got to know what's like a typical and I please,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: people ask me this all the time and I just
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: like roll my eyes at them. But if you had
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to give me a snaps lot of like what a
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: day looks like for you around here, what's it look like?
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So Nike is a meeting culture, which is very
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: different from what I'm used to as a trainer.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: But so there's a lot of meetings all day.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: But so I wake up, I'll get my workout in
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: the morning, I'll spend time with my family for a
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: little bit early, and then I get here around eight,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: and then pretty much from nine to five I've meetings
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: straight through. So it's it's like, yeah, it's all it's
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: all day. You've got to you've got to find pockets
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: of time or you've got to be really good. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: I'm learning this because I struggle with this of like
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: saying no to certain things that aren't in my main
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: scope of things that I need to do, because at
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: first I was like yeah, yeah, well yeah, yes, yes,
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: and I'm like, you know, forty eight meetings a day
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: or whatever. But my daily life is pretty much structured
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: in a way where I go, I have meetings involved
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: with like the app, the NTC app that we work on.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: I'll have podcasts kind of catchups or meetings or like
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: you know, a guest like touch Base just to figure
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: out what we want to talk about, or I'll edit
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: a script or something. And then I'm writing workout programs
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: for athletes. I have like an hour every day that
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: I that I will work on sending my workouts to
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: the different athletes I work with, you know, all over
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: the place. So there's a lot of that digital workout
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: programming going on throughout the day. I'll sit in and
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: oversea kind of like if there's a meeting about some
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: editorial content we're going to launch, I will kind of
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: sit in and help make sure that it's based in
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: root in science and evidence.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: And I do actually that a lot. So because we
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: are such.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: A big company and such a big brand and well
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: known got we have to be really really sharp and
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: know that everything that goes out is fully supported by evidence.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: And in this in this field, it's changing daily. Like
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: I told you how many studies are in the months.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: It's constantly evolving. So we just have to make sure
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: we're up speed on what's happening in the field and
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: making sure we're up to date on that so we're
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: not sharing information that's wrong or you know, old old
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: information or research. So I will sit in a lot
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: of meetings kind of making sure that everything that's going
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: external facing is is real and correct. So I do
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: a lot of that, and then around five forty five,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: six o'clock and will be my last meeting, and then
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: I'll catch up on emails from like six to about
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: six thirty and.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Then I head home and I go by seven.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, that's that's when I'm up here.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: And then training athletes I'm down is like the reverse
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: of just like training athletes all day till like six thirty.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, it's been a long time.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So I've been a freelancer, a freelance journalist. When I'm
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: not here, when i'm not here, when I'm not in Oregon,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: When I'm not podcasting, which is definitely a passion project
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: for me, I spend my nine to five writing articles
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: for everyone in the help them all in the space,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: from GQ to Shape and Self, et cetera, et cetera.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: And it's been a long time.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I've been freelance for almost two years now that I've
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: sat down with someone who told me what they do
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and in my life that it would be.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: A job I actually wanted.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: That's cool because I mean I'm listening to all the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: things that you're saying, like talking about like really creating
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: smart content, and that's like my strength. And then also
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: obviously the sports side of things, and I hear what
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: you're saying about like just the high caliber of what
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you're putting out into the world, and I think that's
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: such an awesome, inspiring thing to strive for because you
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: really set this bar right. It's like subpar isn't an
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: option here at Nike, Like that's not an option for you.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: So how can you, despite being in forty nine meetings
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: every day create the best of the best? And that's
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: really I mean walking around this campus like that's what
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: everybody's all about.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of really talented people here.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think my first six months at Nike,
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: I was blown away by the amount of talented people
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: that are here and how smart everybody is in there,
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: and not just in their given kind of trade or
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: or what craft or what they do, like whether it's
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: marketing or product design or you know, footwear design or whatever,
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: but also just like how well read they are outside
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: of that too.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: I have people constantly coming up to me about, you know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: did you read that new paper about you know, the
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: effects of I don't know, uric acid, you know, and
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: it's like, whoa where you read that stuff? And like
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: where do you find time to like sketch all those
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: shoes and then still have time to read all this stuff.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: So there are so many smart people here, which makes
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: this place just so fun to work at. I think
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: that's like, I'm sure you've experienced it in a way
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: where everyone you talk to it it's like wow, that
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: that they're like really good at what they do, and
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: that's that's like a big part of who's attracted to
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: Nike and who Nike brings in there. They bring in
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: really smart people and so I think, yeah, it lifts
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: everyone's game I mean, you have to be you have
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: to be on top of it otherwise, like I'll get
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: called out by you know, people in the room of like, ah,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: are you sure that's like the real you know, off
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: to go and show them, like, yes, it is. But
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: the fact that they're cat reading enough to get even
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: close to that is super inspiring for me. So it is,
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: and it's a lot of pressure, I think to make
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: sure that we are staying on top of the reading
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: and I'm constantly staying on top of all that stuff
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: to to help us, you know, try to be the
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: best in that in the space, because it's something that
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Nike's not you know, done before. I think we've been
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: amazing at product, but to really like start sharing information
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: that we're doing with the podcast and what we're going
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: to do with content and you know, the future of
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: what Nike's going to do here and moving in we're
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: in the apps and services of our athletes, is that
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: we also have to do it do it at the
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: level that we do you know, our footwear and apparel
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: and which is very high. So it is, but it's
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: a high you know, a lot of pressure. But it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: at the same time, I think what drives you, you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: and it's like equal mind you know, people who are
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: all of the same type of mind and thinking here,
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: which is super inspiring to it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Sounds like a lot Yeah, in the chaos. How do
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: you find some work life balance?
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've said this before, and I hope
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: this doesn't sound super controversial, but I don't.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's such thing.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think if you want to be the
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: best in the world at what you want to do,
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: which is what I strive to be, is I think
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: a lot a lot of people, I athletes, that trainers,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: strive to be you can't have work life balance, but
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: you have to have boundaries. And I think that's the
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: biggest thing is it's there's no such thing as work
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: life balance.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: It does not exist.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: However, boundaries do exist, and I think being able to
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: like get home and shut off the phone and computer
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: and making sure that you're present with your family or
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: your you know, significant other or your friends is something
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: that really allows you to be because if you want
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: to be great at your career, your passion, that you
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: also have to be great at you know, all the
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: other things that are important to you. Relationships and if
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: I were to come in here and my phone's going off,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: I'm texting, I'm talking to somebody and I'm not present,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Like that's going to make you feel like I don't
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: value your time, which I do. And so it's it's
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: about having boundaries of being able to shut off everything
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: that's not important in the present moment. And something I
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: always tell my athletes, like the one we have this
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: tagline that same guy, doctor Kevin Elko.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Told me, which is like be where your feet are.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: And I always remind people of that of like wherever
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: my feed are, that's where I am. It's not like, oh,
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: I'm texting this person about the meeting next or you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: thinking about like that appointment I have later. I want
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: to be like right here with you. And I think
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: that's really what I strive to be, and that's being
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: able to create boundaries.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Now I suck at it sometimes.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: So there's like my wife will tell you like, oh wow,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: like you're the one telling everyone to have boundaries.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: But you know, she's kind of be like, you threw
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: me under the bus about the website.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: And I'm gonna throw into the bus a lot. She's
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: used to it, but no, but I mean it's just
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: the boundaries is what's important. So again, I think like
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: reframing it from balance to boundaries is a really clear
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: distinction and different than most people think about it, because
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: it's almost impossible to have that balance, especially when you're
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: so passionate about something. If you're working in something that
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: you just don't like, then that's a great sign that
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: you probably shouldn't be doing it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: But be that. It's easy to have balance in that
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: way because you're not like drawn back into it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: It's the people who are super passionate about what they're doing
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: and work somewhere where everybody's really driven to get stuff done.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: That's where balance becomes impossible. And if you want to
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: be great, you can't. You have to just have boundaries.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: I've got to meet doctor Kevin.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: He's he's pretty awesome.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: It sounds like you obviously admire the work that he does.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he does amazing work. He's written a bunch
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: of books. He's out there and you guys can search me.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: He's got a bunch of videos on YouTube and doctor
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Kevin Elko lkoh.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: He's the head sports psychologist for the Alabama football team
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: in the Philadelphia Eagles won the Super Bowl, And I mean,
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: like Nick Saban, who's the Alabama coach, will say, he's
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: like he will not let anyone else talk to his team,
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: but doctor Elco and he just the way he frames it,
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: the way he puts it is it's very tangible and
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: it makes complicated things make sense, and I think that's important.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: So yeah, So, I mean, but I pulled from there's.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Ten sports psychologists out there, Angela Duckworth at Penn who
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: her work in Grid is just phenomenal, and so there's
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: just so the cool part about today too is there's
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: just so much information out there, but you just kind
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: of have to have nowhere to look, you know.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure outside of doctor Kevin, who else would
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: you say you look to for career advice or who
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: do you just look up to in general?
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, great question.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: I look up to a lot of people, people who
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: aren't really kind of trying to make a massive change
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: in the world, that also are willing to risk their
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: own personal reputation or their life is going to be
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: like forever altered by them making this decision, but they
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: know it's in the greater good of the world. So
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: like Barack Obama is a massive inspiration for me, somebody
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: I totally look up to and think is amazing. I
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: think other people who are in the fields that just
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: are are Their life is to further the work in
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: research and science and information for people to live better lives.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: So like Matthew Walker at Berkeley, Sherry Mott Stanford, Angela
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Duckworth at Penn and her work in Grit is amazing
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: because the work she did actually went to go show
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: that talent isn't the greatest indication of success.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: It's it's hard work and perseverance.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so like that'shus It's such a good perk.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I haven't read it yet, it's literally on my.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, those are the people that I'm super inspired by.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: And I'm also inspired by every people who started with
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: nothing in life and and and are doing the best
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: they can to like just can be happy through it all,
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: you know, Like there's I get I find inspiration in everybody.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: I think it's that you can do if you look
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: at people different.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: You know, if you look at people different.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: If you right now were to look back at the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: guy who is struggling through this huge life change of
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: probably not playing football for the rest of his life
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and now you're this guy working at Nike and life's
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: a lot different than you thought it would be. What's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: one piece of advice you'd offer that guy looking back
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: on that hurdle moment right now?
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: If everybody like looked at their life and looked back
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: and at all the moments when they were really really
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: stressed and anxious or doubtful about where their life was headed,
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: if they look back and they see like, oh, well,
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: I actually came through that and I'm better for it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Or I think it's it's to realize that it's always
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: going to end up okay. And I think that's the
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: biggest thing is we tend to go through life and
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: have these big moments, you know, like right around that
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: same time when I got injured, my mom passed away
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: from cancer. So there's always things in my life that
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: kind of fell apart at once. And you know, I struggled.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: I went through a lot where I didn't know where
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: I was going or what I was doing, and lost
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: my way in life a little bit for a few years.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: And I think that I now can look back and
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: know that all of that happened for me, and I
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: can you know it was setting me up to live
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: the life that I'm currently living what I'm going to
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: do in the future. But I think we all go
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: through amazing, crazy things in life. But it's just to
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: know that it's always going to be okay, it's going
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: to work out and if anything, it'll always work out
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: for the better, and to not stress and be anxious
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: about the unknown. I think it's it's it's it's okay.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: And because the only thing we can control is the
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: present moment. So I think we always get either caught
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: up of like judging our past or you know, fearing
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: our future, and it's just the present is always the
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: best teacher. It's where everything happens, and it's where the
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: choices are made to dictate where we're going. So I
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: think just reminding myself to be present and not to
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: worry because it'll it's gonna be all right.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Wow, Bomb Mike.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Say, if you knew that you only had one more
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: opportunity to either open or close your podcast and you
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: get to put like one more message out into the universe,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: this is a big cue. So I feel like you're
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: gonna like talk this out a little bit so you
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: can think on it a little bit. You think you
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: have one more opportunity to put some to drop another
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: knowledge bomb on me?
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: What uh, what knowledge are you gonna drop? What are
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: you gonna leave them with?
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: For me, it's it's funny because every time I talk
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: and like if you listen to the podcast, you kind
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: of get this if like, it always comes back to
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: the like how your mind works and the psychology of
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: it all. And I think, because I just have seen
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: of doing this for so long, it like has so
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: little to do with their physical ability or talent, and
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: it has so much more to do with like how
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: they think and process and how they attack goals and
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: they're how driven they are.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: So I would say it always is going to go
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: back to the mind for me.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: But I think, you know, there's a story of I
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: share this with all my athletes. But there was an
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: a Winter Olympics where there was a there's a famous
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: hockey player, Yamr Yager who's played for year twenty years
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: in the NHL, and he was playing for the Czech
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: Republic and they're playing Russia for the finals and they
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: were not expected to be there and he's worn his
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: whole career, he's won the number sixty eight right, and
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: it's pretty common, like the sixties and seventies is a
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: common hockey number, So it wasn't no one ever thought
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: much of it. And and right before the game, he
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: stood up and he totally addressed his team, basically saying
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: like I today, I'm not playing for myself or my
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: family or you guys. I'm playing for my grandparents who
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: lost their lives in the Russian occupation of nineteen sixty eight.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: And every day I wore this number number sixty eight
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: or to remind me of my why, and like why
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: he practices and when he doesn't want to work out,
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: his number reminds him every single day of why he's
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: able to play and he's given the opportunity. So he
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: shared that and everybody kind of stood up and they
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: w out and they ended up winning the gold medal,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: and it was like this huge upset, but I think
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: it was a great reminder. And I always tell everybody,
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: all my athletes, like what's your sixty eight? It's very
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: similar like that, Simon Sinek, like what's your why? But
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: every day you wake up a lot of times people
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: struggle to do things for themselves, but they can do
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: things for others. And so I think that's where you
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: got to figure out why do you wake up every
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: day and who are you doing it for? And make
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: sure you remind yourself of that every day. So I
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: have my athletes on their phone and their mirror when
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: they wake up in the morning, they ride out there
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: sixty eight, but it's really their why of Like, you know,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: I'm doing this for my mom who you know passed
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: away and couldn't like fulfill her dreams. I'm gonna make
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: her proud for you know, do an amazing jobs been
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: raising me and my sisters or something, and like that
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: is my wife. So when I get out of bed
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: every morning when I don't want to work, I don't
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: want to eat it, or I don't want to show
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: up to work, or I don't want to like be
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: a you know, great husband or you know, whatever it is,
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: that will always give me the motivation to do my
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: best in life. And because I'm honoring something outside of myself.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: And I think we all can kind of rally behind
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: something else rather than ourselves because we struggle with that sometimes,
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: you know, that internal motivation.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: So it's important for people.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: To realize and remember and to write down and document,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: like what is your sixty eight and to every single day,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: maybe even five times a day. I've athletes who need
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: it like ten times a day. But write it down
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: and read it and remind yourself of why you're doing
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: what you're doing.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I honestly, the woman that I was working with when
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: figuring out all the logistics to come in here today,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: when she told me that we were going to sit down,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I was geeked.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: I was absolutely geeked about the opportunity.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: And now having had it, I can definitely say that
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm better for it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Nike, just do it. Thanks so much, man, I really
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: appreciate it.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Of course.
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• 50:29
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