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'MONSTER SURGEON' LURKS EX-WIFE'S HOME, SPENT HOURS INSIDE WEEKS BEFORE DOUBLE MURDER, RPT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Lisa called Monster Surgeon caught
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Speaker 1: on camera lurking stalking ex wife Monique's home that she
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Speaker 1: shared with her new husband of five years and their
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Speaker 1: two little children. He's caught on a neighbor's surveillance camp
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Speaker 1: lurking the home and going inside the curtilage, and he
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Speaker 1: spends hours inside. This is weeks before the double murder
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Speaker 1: when Monique and Spencer are found shot dead in their
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Speaker 1: own beds. By the time friends arrived to find out
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Speaker 1: where are they, they can hear the children wailing, screaming,
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Speaker 1: where's mommy. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us. We've thought
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Speaker 1: that Spencer Teffy was shot multiple times and Monique was
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Speaker 1: shot once.
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Speaker 2: The AffA David for Monique now says that she was
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Speaker 2: shot multiple times each have multiple gunshot wounds and are
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Speaker 2: bleeding out.
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Speaker 1: This young mother of two has her body ripped apart
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night with their children next door,
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Speaker 1: and bleeds out and tonight. A careful reading of this
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Speaker 1: affidavit reveals that Monique and Spencer's neighbor's door cam or
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Speaker 1: surveillance video catch the so called monster surgeon ex husband
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Speaker 1: lurking around their home while they're out of town in
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis at a Big Ten championship game Number one? How
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Speaker 1: did he know they were gone? Had it been posted online?
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Speaker 1: We know Monique had no social media presence. Was she
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Speaker 1: afraid he was stalking her? I guess?
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Speaker 3: So?
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Speaker 1: How did he know that? Had he hacked into their emails?
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Speaker 1: That said? The neighbor's surveillance video catches him. Michael McKee,
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Speaker 1: the vascular surgeon once married to Monique like ten years ago,
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Speaker 1: stalking their home. We believe he gets in their home
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Speaker 1: because that video shows him entering the quote curtilage. What
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Speaker 1: is curtilage. Let's take a look at the fence that
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Speaker 1: encloses the Teppee backyard their back area. You can see
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Speaker 1: that their backyard is totally enclosed by a fence. And
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Speaker 1: if you look at this wedding photo that had been
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Speaker 1: posted online, not by Monique, and I'm sure McKee looked
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Speaker 1: at it many many times, you can see how tall
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Speaker 1: the fence is. This area would be the curtilage. This
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Speaker 1: is behind the Teppee home straight out to Troy Slayton
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Speaker 1: joining us, a trial lawyer out of La founder of
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Speaker 1: the Slaton Law Group, Troy, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Typically you don't have to have a separate warrant to
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Speaker 1: search curtilage. But which could be, you know, the backyard.
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Speaker 1: It could be a garage, it could be a toolshit,
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Speaker 1: it could be a playhouse, it could be any number
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Speaker 1: of things that are not the home proper. This is
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Speaker 1: what I think happened, Troy. I think the neighbors Ringham
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Speaker 1: or burglercam sees McKee approach the Teppe home. You can
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Speaker 1: see the fence from the front yard as well, so
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Speaker 1: I'm betting money that they see him approach and at
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Speaker 1: some point he jumps the fence because I don't see
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Speaker 1: looking at all the video that there is a gate,
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Speaker 1: a fence gate. You have to either jump the fence
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Speaker 1: or go into the backyard through the home. That would
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Speaker 1: be the curdilage. And this is why I think he
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Speaker 1: stayed in the home for all of those hours and
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Speaker 1: hours while they were out of town, because the video
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Speaker 1: catches him going in hours pass before he comes back out,
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Speaker 1: so I can guarantee you he did not spend hours
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Speaker 1: and hours in their backyard area. That's what I think happened.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at that montage again. See what
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Speaker 1: I mean, One jump over the fence, be it from
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Speaker 1: that back alley or from the front of the home,
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Speaker 1: and he's there now. Troy. If you look to the
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Speaker 1: left of the door, you see either a basement door
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Speaker 1: or window. I'm betting that's how he gained entrance. What
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Speaker 1: about it, Troy Slayton.
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Speaker 4: The reason why this is important, Nancy, is because prosecutors
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Speaker 4: have alleged aggravated murder, which requires pre plan I mean,
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Speaker 4: and the evidence that he was at the home a
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Speaker 4: month before shows that this was calculated, pre planned. He
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Speaker 4: had malice, a forethought, and that's what raises it to
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Speaker 4: the highest level of a murder charge in the state
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Speaker 4: of Ohio, which is aggravated murder, which exposes him to
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Speaker 4: the possibility of the death penalty where there's a moratorium
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Speaker 4: currently or life without the possibility of parole.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand, Troy slat and you've defended a
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Speaker 1: lot of cases. You are saying that this degree of
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Speaker 1: stalking and how he knew they were going to be
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Speaker 1: out of town remains to be seen. I think we'll
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Speaker 1: find that out from his digital footprint. Was he hacking
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Speaker 1: into their email. Did he figure out their code, Troy,
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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of speculation. Did they have a keypad? Locke?
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Speaker 1: Did he figure out the interest? But I think if
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Speaker 1: I were a betting person, I put my money on
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Speaker 1: this that he likely in the back where that ally is.
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Speaker 1: If we could see the video of what we believe
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Speaker 1: to be doctor McKee walking along that private alley behind
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Speaker 1: their home, I'm guessing I'm betting Troy that that's where
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Speaker 1: he entered. Right through there is near the fence we're showing.
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Speaker 3: Yeh Nacy.
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Speaker 4: This is important for two reasons. This is important to
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Speaker 4: show the pre planning, the calculation, the malice of forethought
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Speaker 4: with regard to the murder. But it's also important for
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Speaker 4: during the commission of the murder, if he committed a burglary,
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Speaker 4: which is the breaking and entering the dwelling house of
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Speaker 4: another with the intent to commit a felony Therein, if
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Speaker 4: he breaks in with the intent to cause harm to
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Speaker 4: the occupants, that's a burglary. Doing that in association with
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Speaker 4: the murder also elevates it to aggravated murder in the
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Speaker 4: state of Ohio.
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Speaker 1: You know another thing right there, Troy Slaton, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to go to death, come forward and through the
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Speaker 1: law right now. But it also sets them up for
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Speaker 1: a felony murder charge. A felony murder charge, of course,
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Speaker 1: is when a death occurs during the commission of a felony.
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Speaker 1: Like you and I rob a bank and I say,
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Speaker 1: don't shoot anybody, Slaton, please just get the money. You
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Speaker 1: go in there and go crazy and start pulling your
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Speaker 1: ak trigger and you go down to tellers. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what did I just tell you? Well, I'm on the
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Speaker 1: hook for double murder because a death occurred while I
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Speaker 1: am committing a felling. Doesn't matter if I didn't mean
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Speaker 1: for anyone to die. So in most jurisdictions, felony murder
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Speaker 1: carries the same penalty as murder. One the fact that
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Speaker 1: he burgled and a death occurred sets them up for
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Speaker 1: felony murder. And what you said is absolutely correct, Troy.
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Speaker 1: This show's just so much evil intent and premeditation, you know,
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Speaker 1: joining me in all Star, pal, don't move, Troy Slayton.
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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Elena Mandenburgh joining us.
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Speaker 1: She's an investigative reporter for The Mirror, the Irish Star,
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Speaker 1: and they expressed, what did you learn from reading this affidavit.
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Speaker 1: What did you learn appeared on the neighbor's surveillance video?
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Speaker 2: Well, a number of new things with the Affidavid. It's explosive.
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Speaker 2: And since we're already talking about the alleged talking that
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Speaker 2: the neighbors caught on the camera. It was also the
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Speaker 2: same day that they were at that Big ten game
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Speaker 2: and Monique had gone home early. Her friends noticed she
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Speaker 2: went home early in the second half because she was
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Speaker 2: upset about something regarding her ex husband. Either she or
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Speaker 2: Spencer went into detail with their friends, but they did
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Speaker 2: let their friends know. So did she get an not
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Speaker 2: from the neighbors text, did she spot him on a camera,
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Speaker 2: or did he send her a message while he was
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Speaker 2: there to possibly psychologically mess with her, which is very
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Speaker 2: common in abusive relationships, the stalking, the psychological games. So
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Speaker 2: we don't actually know how she found out, but we
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Speaker 2: know she was upset about something that day enough to
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Speaker 2: go home from a whole trip, from a whole game
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Speaker 2: with her friends to go home and deal with it.
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Speaker 2: We actually also don't know if she let her husband know,
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Speaker 2: if she realized that Mickey was stalking her. We don't
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Speaker 2: know if she let her husband Spencer know she could
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Speaker 2: have felt like she's managing this stalker, could have been
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Speaker 2: something that's happening frequently enough. Because if we know that
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Speaker 2: he went inside her home, the neighbors caught her on video,
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Speaker 2: there's no police report. She never went to the place,
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Speaker 2: even if she did know that he was getting into
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Speaker 2: her home. And also looking at some of the photos
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Speaker 2: from the top view on Google, it looks like every
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Speaker 2: single home has that like little garage or cuddleage in
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Speaker 2: the back. It's a garage, it's a shed and through
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Speaker 2: there you can access the yard. So did he have
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Speaker 2: a key, did he figure out how to get in
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Speaker 2: through that backshead through that back garage, or did he
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Speaker 2: just simply jump the fence and you know, allegedly go
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Speaker 2: for a basement. Wind know that much. We don't know,
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Speaker 2: but we know he was there, and we know that
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Speaker 2: her friends, she had spoken to a lot of her
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Speaker 2: friends and family about their abusive relationship, and as soon
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Speaker 2: as he paint into everyone, they immediately pointed fingers at
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Speaker 2: Nick Key. And there is one line, one line from
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Speaker 2: the affidavit that especially stuck out to me that it
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Speaker 2: wasn't just illegal, but illegal and creepy. It's alleged, if true,
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Speaker 2: she had told her friends that he had threatened her,
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Speaker 2: you know, not just during their marriage and after their marriage,
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Speaker 2: but at least once he said that he would find
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Speaker 2: her by the house right next to her and that
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Speaker 2: she will always be his wife, which you know, and
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Speaker 2: there he is making good on it. He was also
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Speaker 2: there four hours, so we don't know if he was
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Speaker 2: stalking or allegedly casing Delnamandenburgh.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct, Dave Mac. Before I go to doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, I want you to join Elenamandenburgh in what
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Speaker 1: you learn from the affidavit. You and I poured over
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Speaker 1: it into the night. She's with a group of friends
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Speaker 1: at a Big ten championship game in Indiana. Something happens
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Speaker 1: while she's there, and she gets so upset she leaves
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Speaker 1: the game and the group. They've been planning it for
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Speaker 1: some time, big party. She leaves the group, Dave Mac,
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Speaker 1: and goes back to their hotel room and does not
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Speaker 1: come back to the game. She's so upset, and all
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Speaker 1: we know is that she Spencer. Later everybody said where's Monique,
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Speaker 1: and he goes She's upset something about her ex husband.
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Speaker 1: It can't be a coincidence, Dave Mac, that he's in
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Speaker 1: the home for hours and she leaves at halftime upset
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Speaker 1: about the ex the surgeon, the vascular surgeon, doctor Michael McKee.
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Speaker 1: It's not a coincidence. There is no coincidence, Dave Mac
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Speaker 1: in criminal law. Okay, she had to know. Maybe he
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Speaker 1: called her and went, hey, your house looks really good today,
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Speaker 1: or hey, you left your porchline on, or some bizarre
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Speaker 1: text or email or phone call to her that got
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Speaker 1: her upset. That doesn't mean she knew he was inside.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what did you learn from the affidavit?
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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, there's something that is really impactful here. You've
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Speaker 5: got to realize. Spencer and Monique both went to Ohio State.
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Speaker 5: Ohio State is playing Indiana in the Big Ten Championship.
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Speaker 5: This isn't just a party. This is a big important
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Speaker 5: game that costs a lot of money to go to it.
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Speaker 5: And Spencer and Monique planned this excursion. They had a
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Speaker 5: hotel room booked in Indianapolis. You know their friends are
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Speaker 5: all there. It's a big deal. So when Monique leaves
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Speaker 5: after the second half starts, Okay, you're in the third
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Speaker 5: quarter and Monique leaves, all of the friends are going, hey,
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Speaker 5: what's up Spence. You know it's a big game, and
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Speaker 5: he tells them then it's something to do with monique
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Speaker 5: sex husband, and she's really upset. She's going back to
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Speaker 5: the hotel. I'm thinking, based on the timing, based on
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Speaker 5: how important this event was in their lives and their
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Speaker 5: social circle, that McKee let Monique know that he was
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Speaker 5: at their house. And I think you're absolutely right. He's
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Speaker 5: doing one of those creepy stalker things to let her know. Yeah, hell,
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Speaker 5: I like where you move. The couch looks really good
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Speaker 5: over there. He's letting her know, I'm in control. You
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Speaker 5: might not be here. You're having a great time with friends.
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Speaker 5: I still got you. You're my wife. And I think
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Speaker 5: he was. He wasn't standing outside in the shed. It's
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Speaker 5: thirty two degrees outside, Nancy. You know, the man who's
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Speaker 5: inside that house, he's looking at how else do you think?
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Speaker 5: On December thirtieth, just a couple of weeks later, he's
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Speaker 5: able to manipulate going through that house quietly in the dark,
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Speaker 5: in the middle of the night, and he's able to
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Speaker 5: find exactly where he needs to go, allegedly to kill
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Speaker 5: Monique and Spencer. He was there before.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Dave, I'm so glad you had the temperature.
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Speaker 1: There is no way in hgal that he sat in
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Speaker 1: the backyard, that little bitty enclosure, on that cold brick
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Speaker 1: for three four five hours. Because it is on video.
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Speaker 1: You cannot fight the video. The picture doesn't lie straight
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Speaker 1: out to renowned psycho analyst joining us tonight, doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: She is the author of deal Breaker. You can see
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Speaker 1: her now on Peacock. You can find her at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com Doctor Bethany Hours and hours in
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Speaker 1: Monique's home. Let me just put it out there. How
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Speaker 1: long do you think he spent in her underwear drawer?
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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, he may have been there in there
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Speaker 6: in some kind of a sexual frenzy, sniffing or underwear,
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Speaker 6: looking for evidence of whether or not she's been having
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Speaker 6: sex with this guy, you know, her husband, You know, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: He was in a rage, I am sure before he
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Speaker 6: entered that house, a jealous, jealous rage because, as Dave
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Speaker 6: mac pointed out, he still believes that she is his wife,
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Speaker 6: she belongs to him, so that means every little bit
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Speaker 6: of evidence that she is with a new husband is
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Speaker 6: going to elevate his anger and make him more dysregulated.
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Speaker 6: Maybe it's looking at a nighty, a piece of lingerie
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Speaker 6: and neglige, maybe sniffing or underwear, maybe looking at a diary,
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Speaker 6: maybe seeing a beautiful candle, maybe seeing a vibrator by
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Speaker 6: the bed. Anything that speaks of sex, sex toys, anything
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Speaker 6: like that is going to reinforce his belief that she
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Speaker 6: is cheating on him.
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Speaker 1: So what is he going to do.
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Speaker 6: He's going to call her, and he's going to demonstrate
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Speaker 6: that he has some power over her. Perhaps he has
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Speaker 6: read a line out of a diary, Perhaps he's discovered something.
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Speaker 6: Perhaps there's something that he could use to humiliate her
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Speaker 6: in some way and to reinforce that she is helpless.
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Speaker 6: He is coming for her, and there is nothing she
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Speaker 6: can do. Every time she blocks his phone, he'll just
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Speaker 6: pop up on another number. Every time she reinforces those doors,
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Speaker 6: he'll get back inside. She tries to move to another state,
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Speaker 6: he'll just buy the house next door. This is the
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Speaker 6: kind of a guy he is.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 1: Just while you were talking, doctor Bethany, I was thinking
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Speaker 1: about the prison in which Monique had to live. She
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Speaker 1: was constantly under fear that he was going to show up,
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Speaker 1: that he was going to harm her. Now she has children,
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Speaker 1: what about them? Now she has a husband, what about him?
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Speaker 1: Are they in danger? She moves, she marries. That's a
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Speaker 1: christening shot right there. I believe you know, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I imagine what he's doing in there. Well, in addition
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Speaker 1: everything you said, but looking at wedding photos, or going
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Speaker 1: through the bathroom and finding her favorite perfume, maybe smelling it,
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Speaker 1: looking at it, looking at her jewelry, just things that
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Speaker 1: were reminiscent of her. You know how women very often
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Speaker 1: they'll get attached to one perfume and they'll wear it
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Speaker 1: their whole life, right that's their favorite. That or looking
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Speaker 1: at her clothes and seeing maybe a sweater she had
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Speaker 1: during their marriage. I don't know, but seeing the life.
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Speaker 1: Look in the home, see that minaja photos that were
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Speaker 1: to her left. They have photos and keepsakes they had
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Speaker 1: the wedding, they were married in the same home in
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Speaker 1: which they were murdered, and they have family pictures, keepsakes
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Speaker 1: all over the inside of that home. It's not a house,
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Speaker 1: it's a home. And if you look at his dating website,
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Speaker 1: it says that he wants children, he wants a marriage.
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Speaker 1: He never got that, and she did. And he is
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Speaker 1: in there literally just drinking it in. Have you ever
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Speaker 1: seen somebody at a fancy restaurant and they order a
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Speaker 1: very expensive bottle of wine and they just stiff it in,
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Speaker 1: they drink it in that moment, you think he laid
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Speaker 1: on the b and looked up at the ceiling and
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Speaker 1: imagined them together there. I mean hours, bethany hours he's
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Speaker 1: spent in that home, and we know it to be true.
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Speaker 6: So if you think of the fact that he entered
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Speaker 6: the home with the fantasy that she still belongs to him,
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Speaker 6: that he's going to get that idealized life with her,
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Speaker 6: that idealized marriage, that he's going to get her back,
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Speaker 6: not through love, not through sending flowers, but through having
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Speaker 6: power over her and intimidating her. You're right, Nancy. Every
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Speaker 6: time he sees maybe a beautiful dress that she may
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Speaker 6: have worn out on a date, maybe baby clothes that
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Speaker 6: demonstrate that she has moved on. These are all nicks
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Speaker 6: and cuts in his delusional belief system that they are
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Speaker 6: going to get back together. As I've said so many
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Speaker 6: times about Stalker's Nancy, stalkers always imagine that they have
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Speaker 6: a unique and special love relationship with the victim, even
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Speaker 6: though there's no evidence to support. So he goes in
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Speaker 6: the home and he sees the baby clothes and it's like, what,
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Speaker 6: she's had a baby. She was supposed to have a
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Speaker 6: baby with me, or or he sees the perfume. She's
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Speaker 6: wearing that perfume with another man. She wore that perfume
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Speaker 6: with me and Nancy. I am sure Monique is so
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Speaker 6: demoralized and so panicked at this point. I do treat
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Speaker 6: stocking victims and by the time they get to my office,
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Speaker 6: they're often in a major depressive episode because they've been
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Speaker 6: made to feel so helpless and as if there is
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Speaker 6: just absolutely no way out.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Gray joining us tonight, in addition
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Speaker 1: to Elena and Mandenburg, Troy Slayton, Dave matt and of
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Speaker 1: course doctor Bethany Marshall, Doctor Thomas Coin truly an expert.
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Speaker 1: The chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's office in
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Speaker 1: the state of Florida. Never a lack of business. Forensic pathologists, toxicologist, neuropathologist,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Coin. While we are talking about him, the vascular surgeon,
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Speaker 1: which I need you to explain everybody, what is a
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Speaker 1: vascular surgeon that's like the elite of the elite in
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Speaker 1: the home, sniffing around, lurking, caught on video staying in
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Speaker 1: his ex wife's home for hours and hours. We're learning
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Speaker 1: that from a careful reading of the affidavit and so
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Speaker 1: much more. I haven't even gotten to but doctor Coin,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring it down to what I would
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Speaker 1: have to prove at trial that they were murdered, that
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Speaker 1: a silencer was used that has been traced back to him.
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Speaker 1: I know you noticed that she was shot once. He
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Speaker 1: spencer was shot multiple times in their bed. What happened
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Speaker 1: to them, doctor Coin? What did they live through medically?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Unfortunately, gunshot wounds of the torso can take some
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Speaker 8: time for a person to actually lose consciousness. You know,
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Speaker 8: if the bullet passes to the heart, even then you're
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Speaker 8: talking about maybe thirty seconds or longer for blood loss
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Speaker 8: to be significant enough to cost that person to lose consciousness.
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Speaker 8: And so they would have been conscious at that time
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Speaker 8: and probably in fear of their situation.
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Speaker 1: Do you think they would have felt what happened to them,
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Speaker 1: because obviously one was shot before the other spencer was
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Speaker 1: shot multiple times. If he didn't die from the first
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Speaker 1: gunshot wound, he would have felt that bullet ripped through
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Speaker 1: his body.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, when we are in a state of
22:42
Speaker 8: shocks sometimes you know, we're not as conscious of pain.
22:46
Speaker 8: But nevertheless, they should have been conscious, and it would
22:50
Speaker 8: have certainly felt the gunshot wounds. It would have felt
22:52
Speaker 8: the pressure and the pain from the bullet as it
22:54
Speaker 8: entered the body, and as they're losing blood internally, internal organs.
22:59
Speaker 8: It would have had only pain being referred from that.
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Speaker 1: Area, Doctor Thomas Coyne joining us out of Tallahassee. Doctor Coin,
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Speaker 1: I have reason to believe that Spencer tried to get
23:11
Speaker 1: out of the bed. I say that because when you
23:14
Speaker 1: listen to the original nine on one call, well, there
23:16
Speaker 1: were so many but when you listen to the friend
23:19
Speaker 1: that gets in the home and finds the dead bodies,
23:22
Speaker 1: they're up on the upper floor, he says. Spencer at
23:26
Speaker 1: this point is beside the bed and there's blood everywhere.
23:31
Speaker 1: I think he tried to get out, try to protect her,
23:35
Speaker 1: try to fight back. So I think he knew what
23:40
Speaker 1: was happening. Doctor Coin.
23:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite possible too.
23:43
Speaker 8: If the gunshot wound did not hit the spinal column,
23:46
Speaker 8: did not hit any vital structures. He could have certainly
23:49
Speaker 8: attempted to fight back, flee move from the spot of
23:54
Speaker 8: injury until significant blood loss occurred and he lost consciousness.
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Speaker 1: Coin, what exactly is a vascular surgeon.
24:05
Speaker 3: It's a surgeon who especially is blood vessels.
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Speaker 8: So you know, they are the doctors or the surgeons
24:10
Speaker 8: who are called in to repair blood vessels, especially in
24:13
Speaker 8: cases of trauma, or they may be there to help
24:17
Speaker 8: do a bypass graph, let's say, and a person who
24:19
Speaker 8: has blockage from underlying blood vessel disease. So there specially
24:23
Speaker 8: will be blood vessels, and very often they're called them
24:25
Speaker 8: to assist in other surgeries in which blood vessels are
24:28
Speaker 8: damaged or disease.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Coin, how much education did he have to become
24:34
Speaker 1: a vascular surgeon?
24:37
Speaker 3: A lot.
24:37
Speaker 8: He would have had four years of medical school, and
24:40
Speaker 8: then he would have had a long surgical residency, sometimes
24:43
Speaker 8: that between five and seven years, depending upon any sub
24:47
Speaker 8: specially fellowships or additional specialized.
24:49
Speaker 3: Training that he may have had. But a very long
24:53
Speaker 3: hard course.
24:54
Speaker 1: And of course he made Dean's list on a roll
24:57
Speaker 1: the works. He excelled in every area of his life.
25:01
Speaker 1: He played football at a very very elite level. I
25:06
Speaker 1: think he played as a varsity starter in college. He
25:10
Speaker 1: began he hit the headlines in the first grade with
25:13
Speaker 1: his academics and continue to do that. You know, I'm
25:17
Speaker 1: just thinking about how smart, how how we really revere
25:25
Speaker 1: medical doctors. But yet this, I mean, when you were
25:31
Speaker 1: in medical school, I assume you were surrounded by brilliant people.
25:36
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean big would be you know, even the athletes.
25:39
Speaker 3: He talked about it being an athlete.
25:40
Speaker 8: How many athletes are amazing on the field, but they're
25:43
Speaker 8: off the field lives and may not be, you know,
25:47
Speaker 8: as stellar. And the same thing with surgeons or doctors.
25:49
Speaker 8: You know, they can be very focused when they're doing
25:51
Speaker 8: their job, the task at hand, but their personal lives
25:54
Speaker 8: may be completely out of control. And I don't know
25:57
Speaker 8: what area of psychology can speak to that, but you know,
26:01
Speaker 8: certainly he would have been, you're very dedicated and driven
26:04
Speaker 8: to complete his medical residency, surgical residency and perform.
26:08
Speaker 3: At that level. But once he stepped out of the hospital,
26:12
Speaker 3: you know, who knows.
26:15
Speaker 9: I had quite a journey to get to you. Countless
26:17
Speaker 9: bad bumble, dates of wrong relationships and waterfalls, of tears,
26:23
Speaker 9: but it was.
26:24
Speaker 10: Worth every cringing second because it led me to you.
26:28
Speaker 9: Throughout all of this, I knew that God was guiding
26:32
Speaker 9: me to my person and that when I met him,
26:37
Speaker 9: it would be the most magical thing ever. And boy,
26:42
Speaker 9: is that an understatement. I finally found my lobster, and
26:46
Speaker 9: it honestly couldn't be a person with.
26:49
Speaker 1: A more beautiful heart.
26:51
Speaker 9: I will love you forever and I'm so lucky to
26:53
Speaker 9: be missus.
26:53
Speaker 1: Temp Michael Mackay, the vascular sergeant multiple malepractice and claims
26:58
Speaker 1: against him. Something pushed him over the edge. Both of
27:01
Speaker 1: the Tappe's are dead. Spencer and Mannique.
27:03
Speaker 6: Spencer had been shopped twice.
27:05
Speaker 1: Monique wants the children are orphans, they probably will remember
27:10
Speaker 1: the murders of their parents.
27:13
Speaker 10: Friends and family tell investigators how Monique's ex husband, McKee
27:17
Speaker 10: had been abusive and made numerous threats on her life.
27:20
Speaker 10: During and after their marriage. McKee forces Monique into unwanted
27:24
Speaker 10: sex and strangulation. McKee tells Monique he can kill her
27:28
Speaker 10: anytime he wants. He will buy the house right next
27:31
Speaker 10: door to her, and she is always going to be
27:33
Speaker 10: his wife.
27:35
Speaker 1: Well, that's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Doctor Bethany
27:38
Speaker 1: Marshall forced her into unwanted sex. That means sex assaulted
27:43
Speaker 1: his own wife, probably when she tried to leave. That's
27:47
Speaker 1: the allegation.
27:51
Speaker 6: And think about strangulation. During unwanted forced sex, you are
27:55
Speaker 6: looking the victim in the eyes and kind of playing
27:59
Speaker 6: a cat and mouse with them. So if he is
28:02
Speaker 6: starting to strangle her, she's trying to protest. He is
28:06
Speaker 6: up close and intimate with her pain and her anxiety,
28:09
Speaker 6: and he has the power to release the pressure. When
28:14
Speaker 6: she gasps for air and says, I'll do anything you want.
28:17
Speaker 6: I promise I'll never leave you, I'll never make you
28:20
Speaker 6: mad again, then he applies the pressure again. This is
28:23
Speaker 6: a metaphor for what he's been doing for the last
28:25
Speaker 6: ten years, applying pressure, releasing it, applying pressure. And remember Nancy,
28:31
Speaker 6: when he's in that house, he is gathering evidence that
28:35
Speaker 6: she is with another man. It could be baby clothes,
28:39
Speaker 6: it could be sex toys, it could be a diary,
28:41
Speaker 6: it could be anything. And he is going to apply
28:45
Speaker 6: that pressure again. And with the kind of obsession that
28:49
Speaker 6: I believe he has, he needs to get rid of
28:51
Speaker 6: her so he can get rid of this painful way
28:55
Speaker 6: of operating in the world where all of his thoughts
28:58
Speaker 6: go to her. Maybe the sense that it would be
29:01
Speaker 6: a relief if she was no longer around.
29:05
Speaker 1: Joining us is Elena Mandenberg, as I mentioned, investigative reporter
29:10
Speaker 1: for The Mirror, the Irish Star and The Express, she
29:15
Speaker 1: has obtained a document. All along we've thought that Spencer
29:20
Speaker 1: Tappe was shot multiple times and Minate was shot once.
29:24
Speaker 1: What did you find, Elina.
29:27
Speaker 2: Well, for the first time since we since we heard
29:30
Speaker 2: about this case, it was one gun shot for Monique,
29:33
Speaker 2: but the AffA David for Monique now says that she
29:36
Speaker 2: was shot multiple times, which contradicts the first report. The
29:41
Speaker 2: arresting officer that signed it, Russell Weiner, he was the
29:45
Speaker 2: one that wrote this down. So I am working to
29:48
Speaker 2: double check this with the police department, but it's pretty
29:51
Speaker 2: obvious if it's right there in the AffA David. So
29:54
Speaker 2: now we get a new picture. Now each have multiple
29:57
Speaker 2: gunshot wounds and are bleeding.
30:01
Speaker 1: You know, Elaina Mandenburg, I want to talk about the
30:04
Speaker 1: document that you've uncovered. If you look carefully at this document,
30:09
Speaker 1: you see that it was filed in the last few
30:12
Speaker 1: days January eleventh, twenty twenty six. On this document, it
30:18
Speaker 1: states is Elena Mandenburg is describing that purposefully with prior
30:23
Speaker 1: calculation and design, which equals malice a forethought under the law,
30:28
Speaker 1: cause the death of another verbatim Monique Teppi by shooting
30:35
Speaker 1: the victim multiple times with a fire arm. This was
30:41
Speaker 1: filed in the Franklin County Municipal Court Jan eleven, twenty
30:46
Speaker 1: twenty six, and uncovered by Jolena Mandenburg. Joining us now
30:53
Speaker 1: is professor for Ezics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
30:56
Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit
30:59
Speaker 1: sera podcast, Bodybag That Joe Scott Morgan. He has investigated
31:04
Speaker 1: over ten thousand death scenes, accident, natural causes, suicide, unexplained,
31:12
Speaker 1: and of course murder. What does this tell you? This
31:18
Speaker 1: is a bombshell because a lot of shrinks will go
31:21
Speaker 1: into well he was shot multiple times and she was
31:23
Speaker 1: shot only once. What does that mean? And they spin
31:26
Speaker 1: it out? Oh no, Monique, look at Monique. Show me Monique,
31:31
Speaker 1: this young mother of two who has her own master's degree,
31:36
Speaker 1: I might add, brilliant on a search for love finds
31:42
Speaker 1: mister Wright, not mister right now, Mister Wright, and they
31:46
Speaker 1: marry and they build a life, and she has these
31:49
Speaker 1: two beautiful children asleep in the room next to her,
31:53
Speaker 1: and then she has her body ripped apart in the
31:57
Speaker 1: middle of the night with their children next door and
32:02
Speaker 1: bleeds out multiple gunshot wounds Joe Scott Morgan multiple.
32:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: This is why you don't rely on what the police
32:13
Speaker 11: say about injuries. You rely upon what the corner actually relates.
32:17
Speaker 11: And keep in mind the silence is deafening in that
32:21
Speaker 11: particular realm. They're going to know specifically, and this would
32:25
Speaker 11: have been Nancy. Just understand, this is going to be
32:28
Speaker 11: a bloody mess. So if you're at the scene right
32:32
Speaker 11: and you have you have multiple gunshot wounds, you're not
32:35
Speaker 11: going to be able to assess that at the scene.
32:37
Speaker 11: You're just not and assess it accurately. Until you get
32:41
Speaker 11: the bodies back to the morgue you can clean them
32:43
Speaker 11: up and document everything very thoroughly. That's why I always
32:47
Speaker 11: hedge my bets. If I don't hear something and it's
32:51
Speaker 11: relative to the injuries themselves, I ain't buying it until
32:55
Speaker 11: I hear it from the forensic pathologists, the corner, the
32:57
Speaker 11: medical examiner, or whoever it might be this medical legal authority.
33:01
Speaker 11: So yeah, you can run, run as much as you
33:05
Speaker 11: want to with overkill and all these sorts of things,
33:08
Speaker 11: but let's rely on the physical evidence here. Begin to
33:12
Speaker 11: think about what kind of injuries they have. We need
33:14
Speaker 11: to know what the range of fire is which could
33:18
Speaker 11: potentially be impacted. Remember, we have heard that there is
33:22
Speaker 11: a suppressor involved in this case, and I think that
33:25
Speaker 11: that could play into it. And can I say one
33:27
Speaker 11: more thing about our guests from earlier he had mentioned,
33:32
Speaker 11: I think he's accurate about this that you would not
33:34
Speaker 11: expect a surgeon, necessarily because of their lifestyle, to engage
33:39
Speaker 11: in this kind of behavior that's really intense. With s talking,
33:42
Speaker 11: I want to take a juxtaposition on this. I think
33:46
Speaker 11: because of financial resources that a surgeon brings to bear,
33:50
Speaker 11: you're going to be looking at high tech stuff with
33:52
Speaker 11: this guy. He's going to have the ability to do
33:55
Speaker 11: things that the average Joe on the street is not
33:58
Speaker 11: going to be able to do, relative to survey ailience,
34:00
Speaker 11: acquisition of documents, being able to track people's movements and
34:05
Speaker 11: all this sort of thing. Because all you have to
34:07
Speaker 11: do is drop the cash and you can find somebody
34:09
Speaker 11: to facilitate this for you. I also want to know
34:11
Speaker 11: because there have been other cases where they have engaged
34:16
Speaker 11: engaged the services of a private investigator to seek people
34:19
Speaker 11: out and they can kind of do this work for you,
34:23
Speaker 11: and so I'd like to know if he had anybody
34:25
Speaker 11: else helping him track her down, find out where she is,
34:27
Speaker 11: her financials, anything that's going on in her life.
34:31
Speaker 1: Jo Scott, you just opened up a Pandora's box of
34:36
Speaker 1: possibilities for the defense. I'm going to circle back to
34:40
Speaker 1: you on range of fire. But to Troy Slayton, is
34:45
Speaker 1: that one of your worst nightmares when you find out
34:49
Speaker 1: your client hired a PI private investigator to investigate your
34:56
Speaker 1: ex wife who's now happily married with children. There is
35:01
Speaker 1: no client PI privilege unless the PI is working for
35:06
Speaker 1: a legal team, and then he becomes part of the
35:09
Speaker 1: lawyer client privilege he sheet. Can you imagine if that
35:14
Speaker 1: is correct what Joe Scott Morgan just hypothesized. If he
35:18
Speaker 1: doctor McKee hired a PI to track her down so
35:23
Speaker 1: he could go kill her, there's going to be reams
35:26
Speaker 1: and reams of files of emails with doctor McKee, of
35:30
Speaker 1: phone calls with doctor McKee, of meetings with doctor McKee,
35:33
Speaker 1: where he wants to find her, track her down and
35:36
Speaker 1: find out about her life. Shudder cry. If that's true,
35:41
Speaker 1: is any defens find that out.
35:45
Speaker 4: It's not good and it goes right to the heart
35:49
Speaker 4: of what the prosecution needs to prove, which we talked
35:52
Speaker 4: about earlier, which is showing under Ohio law, prior calculation
35:58
Speaker 4: and design, and that's what raises the case from second
36:03
Speaker 4: degree murder to the first degree aggravated murder. Now it's
36:08
Speaker 4: also important to remember, though, that we don't have any
36:13
Speaker 4: eyewitness to this crime, meaning there's no direct.
36:18
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just choked. You mean other than ballistics
36:22
Speaker 1: match between the bullet and the gun he had. He
36:24
Speaker 1: kept at home. He kept the gun and by the way,
36:27
Speaker 1: tonight we're finding out, Troy, just throw this into your
36:30
Speaker 1: witches brew that he was armed at the time he
36:33
Speaker 1: was arrested. Armed, not with a murder weapon because that
36:37
Speaker 1: was found in his home. He was armed when he
36:40
Speaker 1: was arrested. Now, that's not illegal. Got it's better than
36:45
Speaker 1: a witness.
36:46
Speaker 4: The Second Amendment, Nancy, it's not illegal to own a firearm.
36:52
Speaker 4: It's not illegal to carry a firearm.
36:54
Speaker 1: How about if you use that murder two people.
36:57
Speaker 4: Of course, that's illegal. But we don't have any eyewitness
37:02
Speaker 4: to this crime. So I mean, obviously it looks like
37:05
Speaker 4: there's a lot of circumstantial evidence. And as you've explained
37:09
Speaker 4: to juries many times in the courtroom, circumstantial evidence can
37:12
Speaker 4: be just as good as direct evidence.
37:16
Speaker 1: Okay, when you say there's no eyewitness, I submit that
37:23
Speaker 1: there is direct evidence, which an eyewitness is not just circumstantial,
37:28
Speaker 1: because a fingerprint or DNA or a ballistics match is
37:33
Speaker 1: direct evidence, especially when you find out the defendant, doctor
37:38
Speaker 1: Michael McKee, has the murder weapon in his keeping. Hey,
37:43
Speaker 1: I'll let you think about what you just said for
37:46
Speaker 1: a few minutes. Troy Slayton, and by the way, Troy
37:49
Speaker 1: Slayton has won a lot of cases making arguments just
37:52
Speaker 1: like that, somehow boring the lines by arguing the Second
37:56
Speaker 1: Amendment right to kill people. Okay, Doctor Bethany, can I
37:59
Speaker 1: talk to you about the multiple gunshots that Monique Teppe sustained. Yes,
38:05
Speaker 1: that means something that is probative. What does it.
38:10
Speaker 6: Prove simmering resentment and rage, rage that has been building
38:15
Speaker 6: ever since she left him, Nancy, we know women are
38:18
Speaker 6: at the greatest risk for homicide as they are leaving
38:22
Speaker 6: a marriage. A woman can be stalked by her husband
38:26
Speaker 6: while she is in a marriage. In fact, the majority
38:28
Speaker 6: of stalking happens during the marriage and not afterwards. So
38:33
Speaker 6: in his mind, he's been thinking about this for a
38:35
Speaker 6: long long time, Nancy. In the fact that he's a surgeon.
38:39
Speaker 6: People who are this bright, who have this much accomplishment,
38:43
Speaker 6: advanced degrees and education, it becomes a thin veneer of
38:48
Speaker 6: sophistication that hides a very very dark interior. But remember
38:54
Speaker 6: he had all those malpractice suits.
38:57
Speaker 1: So he may have that.
38:58
Speaker 6: Doctor's lab code, he may have all those degrees, he
39:00
Speaker 6: may have all of that, but underneath is a very
39:04
Speaker 6: very messy and I'm going to say dysregulated person, which
39:07
Speaker 6: goes back to all the multiple gunshot room wounds. This
39:12
Speaker 6: was not just cold and methodical. It was that, but
39:15
Speaker 6: it was also rageful and disregulated too. He was triumphing
39:20
Speaker 6: over her. It was his final dominance and triumph.
39:24
Speaker 12: The body our friend wasn't in transphoned and just to
39:28
Speaker 12: a well of ship and just getting here. He appears
39:31
Speaker 12: that okay, a flood. He's laying next to his bead
39:37
Speaker 12: offer his best than the blood. I think people us
39:40
Speaker 12: are going to be.
39:41
Speaker 3: More than that, okay, and how he's obviously upringing.
39:46
Speaker 5: Like how to like like how to all you.
39:48
Speaker 12: Know, because it says he looked like I can't look okay,
39:53
Speaker 12: all right, I understand.
39:55
Speaker 1: Bob Shelton and I very deep deep in court filings,
39:58
Speaker 1: we learn that Denique Tepi was shot multiple times, not
40:04
Speaker 1: just Spencer, Monique as well her children in the next room.
40:10
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he unloaded his weapon on these two out
40:16
Speaker 1: of rage. But what a trail he left for me
40:20
Speaker 1: to follow crime stories with. Nancy Grace.
40:32
Speaker 10: McKee spotted multiple times driving his silver SUV near Monique
40:36
Speaker 10: in Spencer's home before the murderers. The vehicle has unique features.
40:40
Speaker 1: Such as a sticker on.
40:41
Speaker 10: A window and stolen Ohio license plate. The registration for
40:45
Speaker 10: the suv is linked to past addresses. McKee previously lived
40:49
Speaker 10: in the hospital where he worked.
40:52
Speaker 1: To be such a brilliant vascular surgeon. Had he never
40:56
Speaker 1: heard of Caitlin Armstrong, the glam yoga teacher. There she is.
41:03
Speaker 1: She was caught on surveillance in her vehicle going around
41:08
Speaker 1: and round. There she goes round and round the domicile
41:15
Speaker 1: of her victim, Mariah Wilson a world class dirt bike racer,
41:21
Speaker 1: or if he didn't follow glam yoga teacher Caitlin Armstrong,
41:25
Speaker 1: has he never heard of Brian Cooburger? For Pete's sake, Oh,
41:30
Speaker 1: I hope I never see that face again. Remember how
41:33
Speaker 1: many times his white Elantra was caught circling round and
41:39
Speaker 1: round and round, even caught on video. Same thing here,
41:48
Speaker 1: doctor McKees suv is caught circling and circling Monique's home,
41:56
Speaker 1: not just the night of the murders, but before that,
41:59
Speaker 1: many many times, like Caitlin Armstrong, like Brian Kiberger. And then,
42:05
Speaker 1: to make matters worse, his suv is seized in the
42:10
Speaker 1: hospital parking lot while the good doctor is at work,
42:13
Speaker 1: like that's not embarrassing. But to Jolenamandenburg joining US investigator, reporter,
42:20
Speaker 1: The Mirror, the Irish Star, the Express, he had scraped
42:25
Speaker 1: off a very identifiable sticker in between the time and
42:29
Speaker 1: the murders and the time his car his vehicle was seized,
42:33
Speaker 1: tell me about it.
42:35
Speaker 2: So there was an identifiable sticker. I'm not one hundred
42:39
Speaker 2: percent sure what the sticker was. However, they found scrape marks,
42:44
Speaker 2: which was extremely obvious to police. However, the stolen Ohio
42:49
Speaker 2: license plate that he was driving around with and sometimes
42:53
Speaker 2: he was switching off to a fake Arizona license, which
42:58
Speaker 2: it seems like the tags because it says the STUV
43:02
Speaker 2: was bearing the Arizona TEMP tags.
43:04
Speaker 1: So what he create fake.
43:06
Speaker 2: Allegedly temporary registration and stick it to his vehicle thinking
43:10
Speaker 2: that police wouldn't notice or be able to track him
43:14
Speaker 2: just because he switched between licenses. It's very very interesting
43:18
Speaker 2: considering what my investigations have uncovered about his past accusations
43:24
Speaker 2: and his past of getting out of crimes, there's very
43:28
Speaker 2: little problem with illegal behavior, even if he hasn't been
43:33
Speaker 2: convicted for it before.
43:34
Speaker 5: And granted, so.
43:36
Speaker 1: You're talking about the prior lawsuits where one guy, one
43:39
Speaker 1: of his patients had a testicle amputite, and I'll let
43:42
Speaker 1: you think about that for a few moments. Another one
43:44
Speaker 1: allegedly had a slice of a cafe are stuck in
43:47
Speaker 1: his leg that caused, according to the lawsuit, disfigurement. Hey,
43:51
Speaker 1: Dave mac, I want to follow up on what Elinamandenburgh
43:54
Speaker 1: just told us. I understand his vehicle had a stolen
43:58
Speaker 1: Ohio license as well as displaying at the same time
44:02
Speaker 1: an Arizona license, like, that's not going to get the
44:06
Speaker 1: attention of the police. But think about Michelle Parker. Do
44:10
Speaker 1: you remember her, Dave Matt because I will never forget her.
44:13
Speaker 1: She was called the people Court mom. Yes she's dead,
44:18
Speaker 1: and the reason I there she is on People's Court
44:20
Speaker 1: with her husband. They were arguing over an engagement ring.
44:24
Speaker 1: After this aired, within about seven or eight hours, she
44:27
Speaker 1: goes missing and her hummer is found in a parking lot,
44:34
Speaker 1: an innocuous parking lot, and the decals on the hummer
44:39
Speaker 1: have all been scraped off, Dave Mac. When Michelle's vehicle
44:43
Speaker 1: is found, all of that that was one of her companies,
44:46
Speaker 1: she had multiple jobs, was scraped off, so no one
44:50
Speaker 1: would identa by her hummer parked in a big parking
44:54
Speaker 1: lot with the hundreds of other cars. See the comparison,
44:57
Speaker 1: Dave Mac, tell me about doctor man Key's vehicle.
45:02
Speaker 5: Same thing here, Nancy. You know, I don't think people
45:04
Speaker 5: realize that when you scrape something off, you leave residue behind.
45:08
Speaker 5: And it's not just that sticker that he scraped off
45:12
Speaker 5: that was so obvious, Nancy, it's the cumulative effect of
45:16
Speaker 5: all of the things associated with that suv that is
45:19
Speaker 5: directly tied to McKee. You've got the stolen Ohio license plate,
45:24
Speaker 5: You've got the Arizona tempt tag, both tied to McKee
45:29
Speaker 5: or former employers. And then that's sticker. You've got this
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Speaker 5: sticker on the vehicle that is tracked on video. They
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Speaker 5: can see it. It's right there. They know the location
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Speaker 5: of the sticker, they know.
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Speaker 3: What it is.
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Speaker 5: And then when they find his car in the parking
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Speaker 5: lot in Rockford, Illinois where he works, oh wait a minute,
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Speaker 5: it's not there anymore. But we see the scrape marks
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Speaker 5: where it was taken off in a hurry. So that's
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Speaker 5: the shocking evidence. It's sitting right there for everybody to see.
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Speaker 5: Here's the car. There, it is in the neighborhood. Here
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Speaker 5: it is that the sticker.
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Speaker 3: Come on.
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Speaker 1: Vascular surgeon doctor McKee allegedly shoots his ex wife and
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Speaker 1: you did, his husband dead in their own beds, their
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Speaker 1: children wailing in the background.
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Speaker 11: This family's life was completely wreck these people.
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Speaker 1: Will Butcher joining us now a special guest, former police
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Speaker 1: commander out of Albuquerque domestic violence and stalking unit, author
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Speaker 1: of Stop Him From Killing Them his website, Stop Him
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Speaker 1: from Killing Them dot Com. Paul Zike joining US, Paul,
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Speaker 1: this is your wheelhouse way in.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 7: In my ten years of working domestic violence is stalking
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Speaker 7: related threat mitigation cases. Unfortunately, the reality is the victim
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Speaker 7: is never completely in the clear. In this case, you
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Speaker 7: have threats to kill if you take stalking and threats
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Speaker 7: to kill you put them together. These are these are
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Speaker 7: statements of future intent when you're dealing with these types
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Speaker 7: of individuals, and future intent means it could be a
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Speaker 7: week from now, it could be ten years from now,
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Speaker 7: and unfortunately the lesson still has not been learned. And
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Speaker 7: that is when these type of men who have decided
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Speaker 7: life without you is not worth living. It's not a
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Speaker 7: matter of if, it's when, And in this case, I
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Speaker 7: think that's exactly what we ran into.
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Speaker 1: Paul Zike joining US Domestic Violence stalking expert, Paul, are
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Speaker 1: you surprised that a guy as brilliant as doctor Michael
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Speaker 1: McKee must be would leave a trail a mile wide
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Speaker 1: would be caught on a neighbor's surveillance video we think
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Speaker 1: jumping the fence which is the curtilage, and staying for
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Speaker 1: hours in the home. Are you surprised he would make
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Speaker 1: that very very glaring error.
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Speaker 13: I'm not a surprised at all, And in that moment,
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Speaker 13: it's just very methodical.
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Speaker 7: He's not really thinking about consequences really of any kind.
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Speaker 7: And to be good at what he does, he needs
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Speaker 7: to surveil, He needs to know how to get into
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Speaker 7: the residents and the fact that you know he's there beforehand,
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Speaker 7: that is just what stalkers do. In every stalking case
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Speaker 7: we have where somebody ends up dead, we find out
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Speaker 7: that the stalker knows a lot more information about the
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Speaker 7: individuals that are murdered than we ever thought they knew.
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Speaker 7: And I would not be very surprised at all in
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Speaker 7: this case to find out that he has a lot
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Speaker 7: more information and knew a lot more information than anyone
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Speaker 7: thought that he was in possession of.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by more information than we thought
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Speaker 1: he possessed? You mean, has he hacked into their email?
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Speaker 13: Well, you know, if somebody is obsessed to this point,
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Speaker 13: and obviously they haven't moved on for years and years,
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Speaker 13: what they're doing is they're gathering intelligence information, whether it's
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Speaker 13: through a friend of a friend of a friend, social media,
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Speaker 13: maybe gaining access through you know knowme shared or pass
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Speaker 13: passwords to get into you know, email accounts. The ability
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Speaker 13: to once fixated on someone, to gather information about what
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Speaker 13: they're doing and why they're doing it and where they're
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Speaker 13: going to be next, and and literally to methodically play
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Speaker 13: this out is not a very hard thing to do.
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Speaker 7: Most people don't do this because they have lives.
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Speaker 13: The fact that he was a vascular surgeon, that's a
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Speaker 13: that's a conduct inhibitor that would have normally stopped this
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Speaker 13: person from engaging in this behavior because they have a
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Speaker 13: lot to lose. But it just goes to show you
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Speaker 13: the the the evil you know, that creeps into the
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Speaker 13: stalking realm of criminality where they just can't stop themselves.
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Speaker 13: And and once they fixated on on on their target
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Speaker 13: and unfortunately this this poor uh you know woman and
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Speaker 13: her husband, there's not a lot you can do to
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Speaker 13: stop them ahead of time unless you're way out in
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Speaker 13: front of them, and clearly that did not happen.
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Speaker 3: In this case.
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Speaker 1: As we go to air tonight, the state is still
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Speaker 1: building its case against doctor Michael McKee and the double
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Speaker 1: murders of Monique and Spencer Teppee. As is the defense
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Speaker 1: if you know or think you know anything about this case,
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Speaker 1: even if you think it's inconsequential please dial six one four,
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Speaker 1: six four five two two two eight. Repeat six one four, six, four,
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Speaker 1: five two two two eight. We remember an American hero,
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Speaker 1: Sergeant Corey Ride, Utah County Sheriffs, shot in the line
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Speaker 1: of duty after nineteen years of service, leaving behind wife
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Speaker 1: turned widow, Nanette, and five children. American Hero Sergeant Corey Ride.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,