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S3 E10: Reviewing the last 4 episodes of "Maul: Shadow Lord" (SPOILERS!!!) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  It's most things Kenobi. We always have the high ground.
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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  podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host, Lauren. And I'm your host, Leanne.
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  We have some catching up on mall to do.
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  We do. All of the we tried, we tried to
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  keep up, but we were just too busy.
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  April was just an insane month, so we're doing our best here.
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  We are and and honestly, I've really enjoyed the mall journey
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  and. I have too, more than I
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  expected. Way more.
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  Way more. So we're talking about episode
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  7-8 and nine, No 789 and 10. Correct.
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  You forget 10 the most important episode.
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  Correct. But before we launch in, we just
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  want to say that we've mentioned this in a previous episode, but
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  our 200th episode is now available on our Patreon.
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  We, Leanne and I recorded a video episode so you can
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  actually see our faces. It's only on Patreon.
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  It's free, you don't have to pay.
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  It's for everybody, but it's just a little interview between
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  us where we ask each other two Star Wars questions and two
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  personal questions. Is that right?
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  Is it 2 and two or one and one? It's been so long I can't
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  remember. Well, we had trouble figuring
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  this out when we were arranging it with one another, remember?
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  So it's two Star Wars questions a piece and then two real life
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  questions a piece. OK, good.
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  Together we make one brain, and I'm so grateful for you.
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  Yes, as I am grateful for you. I wouldn't survive without you.
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  But anyway, it's up there, It's fun.
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  Just go check it out at we Our official 200th episode was about
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  ball and we didn't get a chance to do our full what we had
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  planned. So just go over to our Patreon
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  and check it out and have a laugh and see our faces.
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  Yeah, and honestly, how we kind of do every episode, 'cause we
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  recorded our intro and our outro and the whole thing and yeah,
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  it's. True, and I even messed up
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  really bad at the end. I think I did because of the way
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  we talked through the moment. I just kept it.
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  Perfect. Well then you get to see
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  everything if you go, If you go, check out our 200th little
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  questionnaire, questionnaire question and answer session.
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  Yeah. Yeah, Q&A, Yeah.
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  The Q&A. All right, well, shall we talk
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  small? We shall there's there's so much
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  to go over and before we go, we've spoilers for anyone who
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  has not seen yes this entire show up to its finale.
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  Spoilers turn around now. Yeah, we will.
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  We will not hold back. No, there's no way to talk about
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  the last episode without spoilers.
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  It's not possible. That's that is completely
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  correct. So back out now, come back later
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  if you haven't seen the episodes.
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  This was a lot Leanne. The things they are doing with
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  this show, we are getting the we are getting tiny crumbs of back
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  story and emotional strife with mom.
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  Like holy shit it's so well done.
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  I know I feel like something important must have happened in
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  episode 7, but I just want to talk about episode 8.
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  I mean, it's like all I could remember basically because it
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  was so impactful and so well performed.
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  I got to say, I was thinking of you during Episode 8.
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  Like, Lauren's going to eat this shit up.
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  This is the stuff we ask for and beg for in Star Wars, and we got
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  it. Oh.
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  My God. And it was.
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  It was done well too. It wasn't.
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  So well, so it was perfect. I can't even believe that this
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  show is fucking animated. But like you said already, I
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  feel like if it was live action it it probably wouldn't achieve
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  things as well as the animation does.
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  There's just no way. And, and the stuff I've been
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  seeing, people are very pleased with what they're doing, how
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  they're doing it, how it looks, the story they're unfolding.
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  Yeah, Yeah, this is peak. It is this was.
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  Can we just talk about the creeping fear and get it out of
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  the way? Yes.
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  Yes, please. Please, let's do it.
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  This is after fighting the Inquisitors, right?
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  That was the big thing in episode 7 is there was a big
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  Inquisitor battle and. We get the 11th brother, he
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  shows up. True, which was extremely spooky
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  and even creepier than the first brother, whatever he the other
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  one is called. And there's so much more to say
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  there, but. But Fast forward to the.
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  Emotional shit. So Ma gets messed up, like his
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  hip gets kind of not fully severed, but definitely very
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  damaged. He's in pain and he's been kind
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  of defeated in this battle and he's separated from the rest of
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  his crew and he goes into like, what can, in my opinion, can
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  only be described as like a complex PTSD flashback that
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  lasted extremely long time. Yeah, so this is mental health
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  right here and why it's important and the way they did
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  it with the the puddle. And like he sees his younger
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  self before and he wipes it away and says I hate you.
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  That was so fucking good. I know because there's this
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  moment of like almost self pity. He sees his younger self and you
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  see how raw that is and he can't deal with it.
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  And so his reaction is hatred. Yeah, get away from it.
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  Get away from him. And then he sees his reflection
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  again later and it's a totally different response.
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  And I just, I can't even process how I felt.
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  Like I literally sat up for a long time after watching this
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  episode. I couldn't go to sleep 'cause I
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  always watch them right before bed, 'cause that's just the way
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  my my schedule works out usually.
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  And it was it like haunted me 'cause it's very realistic.
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  And I just think it was so beautifully done.
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  And Sam's performance in particular was really moving.
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  I feel like now I can't even, I don't know if I'm going to be
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  able to talk about it. I'm going to cry.
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  Oh, it listen, Sam really knocked it out.
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  I mean, we know he's good. Everyone knows he's good.
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  Everyone knows he is Moll, right?
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  And then to go an extra level, it's like, I don't, I don't
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  understand how like Sam Whitworth understands Moll, but
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  Sam Whitworth isn't fucking crazy like Mall.
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  So but like in the clips where you see him and Filoni talking
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  about these episodes, they get it.
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  Like they completely understand the emotional undercurrent
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  that's going on with somebody like Mall, the shit that he's
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  been through that you just don't get over.
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  And he's a living embodiment of what happened.
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  And not only that, we got a Kenobi shout out.
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  I. Know and it was like Ewan's
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  voice. Yeah, the scream.
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  Yeah, and his legs are like the metal legs are a reminder of
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  that shit. Yeah.
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  And was this the first time we ever heard him say Kenobi
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  without the hatred? He was like afraid it was.
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  Man, and it's so, it was so layered too, because it was like
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  a bunch of memories rushing back to him.
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  It made me feel so much pity for him.
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  Here we go with the thing I said I at the at the beginning of the
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  show. I'm going to end up feeling bad
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  for Darth Maul. But this is the proof that
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  everything that Sidious touches ends up like this.
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  Like, like Maul. Now everyone in this path had a
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  choice, but they also all have remnants of the disaster and the
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  the way he's destroyed them mentally.
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  Yeah. He's he is insidious.
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  Like, literally. Yeah.
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  But what I really appreciated about that, that whole scene was
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  the fact that this is what ends up happening to Mall when you
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  leave him alone for like 5 minutes.
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  When he's not plotting, when he's not focused on Kenobi, when
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  he's not focused on a new apprentice.
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  No wonder he stays so busy and obsessed.
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  My therapist corrected me on the terminology of like high
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  functioning isn't what you say anymore but I can't remember
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  what you are supposed to say so I apologize.
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  But that maul is basically like high functioning with what seems
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  like complex PTSD or post traumatic stress disorder or
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  maybe both. Like I recognized how when
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  you're surrounded by people, you're fine and when you're not
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  and, and he's under pressure and he's in pain and he's had a
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  defeat. It was like all of this stuff
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  piles up and pushes out this reaction from him that he keeps
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  very locked up in private. You never, there's never been an
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  indication except when he was batshit crazy when Savage first
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  finds him and his horns have grown really long and like he's
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  muttering to himself. Somehow Mother Chausen tempered
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  that, but it's still in there. This is like the most realistic
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  trauma response I've ever seen in Star Wars.
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  And they didn't. It was just so everyone's not
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  the same, but the fact that I don't know, there was just
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  something beautiful in, in the like in the pain, you know,
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  still versus pain. Yes it is for everyone.
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  Everyone, absolutely everyone. Even the people you hate or are
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  supposed to hate are the bad guys that the evil ones,
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  etcetera. They also are carrying around
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  pain. It's why when we talk about the
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  Sith code that it feeds into them becoming stronger.
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  In that sense, it's like they are they use it.
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  It's crazy. And of course we end up seeing
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  we'll get to it. But Devin and her pain and how
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  that manifests and you know, but also I liked it fell right in
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  line with Star Wars symbology when he looked into the water.
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  It's a reflection and we've seen this before.
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  And So what a nice way because like a puddle, you know, where
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  that he had, what was he on his knees, like kneeling and he fell
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  down or something. Yeah, in it like a sewer.
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  Yeah, and so he's like underground injured with
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  himself, no distractions. And it's just a simple
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  reflection. It's not the great, you know,
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  multi reflection that Ray had in The Last Jedi or you know, this
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  that the other example, it was just a a small one, but and I
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  think that's even better than a large elaborate scene because.
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  Yeah. Like you said, he keeps it
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  locked up and it was so interesting to see him how he
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  spoke and viewed himself because we only ever see the external
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  mall. Yeah.
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  And the his environment, the the fact that it's a puddle, which
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  is like a transitory type reflective surface that could be
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  there and then be gone and. Disappear, just like his
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  emotions. Yeah, and that there was the
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  wind and the dust storm blowing at him constantly.
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  It was, it was like the internal and the external were mirroring
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  each other. It was really so beautifully.
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  And when he looks at his, I guess it's like his teenage
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  reflection. Yeah, it wasn't a warped and
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  terrible. He seemed fresh faced.
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  Yes, he seemed like such a boy and he started to cry and then
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  said we'll never let him do this to anyone else.
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  It was just, Oh my God, it was so beautiful.
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  And I'm so glad they did this. You know, they took almost an
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  entire episode and they were cutting back and forth between
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  what everyone else is doing and what Moll is going through.
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  I'm so glad they took the time to give us this.
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  It's just, it adds so much depth that we assume, I think a lot of
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  us assume that there is this, that I, it's very rare that
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  anyone is just like, I'm a madman, you know, for no reason.
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  And it was interesting to see that he feels like the
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  experience with Obi Wan and Phantom Menace was actually
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  traumatic. He was.
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  It led to him underground and everything he went through in
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  those years before Savage found him.
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  And yeah, that would be a trauma response for sure.
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  Valid. What's crazy is Kenobi has done
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  this to two people. God, you know God.
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  I know Obi Wan, come on man. Honestly it's just sending
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  people into trauma. I I honestly so episode 8 was
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  was probably my favorite. It was amazing.
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  It was beautiful. That doesn't mean I didn't love
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  9 and 10. Yeah, well, now there's, well,
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  there's two Inquisitors, which you probably had this thought
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  too. They're fighting, you know, the
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  both the Inquisitors, and it's Maul and Daki and Devin, they're
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  all fighting the Inquisitors. And I couldn't help but think
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  that Ahsoka killed both those Inquisitors all by herself.
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  Oh, I was thinking it. She listen, if there was ever a
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  subtle she a bad bitch, you know, it was in this in these
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  episodes with both those inquisitors, you had how many
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  talented people and our girl took them out by herself.
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  I'm so proud of her. It's just such a testament to
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  how powerful she really is, what a warrior she is.
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  And as I recall, she was pretty calm and like, you know,
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  collected and not flailing or frightened at all.
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  And that's her. That's her powerhouse right
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  there. She's always been.
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  She's always been like that. And we we see it with other Jedi
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  when they are calm and and focused, locked in, and then you
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  add her. Yeah, I was thinking it.
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  I was so proud of her. She wasn't even here.
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  She wasn't even in the room, you know.
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  I said same to you though. I was like, I'm so I just love
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  Ahsoka so much. I'm so proud.
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  Honestly, and I was also these two inquisitors were besties in
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  a previous light, I know it, I think.
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  There is that vibe. Yeah, that they're just not Co
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  workers. They went through something
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  together at the end of the Order 66.
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  I listen. There is something weird about
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  their dynamic that I got the same feeling.
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  I don't even know why because it's not like they're friendly.
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  No, and we don't have like any dialogue.
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  We have animated body language. But the way that they work in
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  tandem, I just think what if they were master and apprentice?
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  Oh, interesting. Just a theory, but they had to
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  have been close or at least fought together as Jedi, right?
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  I mean. There was, especially when
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  they're talking near each other. There is something very youthful
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  suddenly about the first brother, and the 11th was very
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  still and frightening in a totally different energy.
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  So yeah, master and apprentice would be interesting.
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  I got the vibe. I have like nothing to back that
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  up except a a vibe and I just think my head cannon is cool
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  because like wow they really took a bad or a bad deal and
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  turned it into something worse. But like, they stuck together.
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  Well it's funny to me because the the first brother seemed
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  pretty spooky and scary until the 11th brother showed up.
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  He's way scarier. His mask is like those those
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  doctors in the medieval times, yes.
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  The plague mask. Yeah, the plague mask with the
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  beak and stuff. Oh, I hate that.
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  That is so creepy to me anyway. And then you put it on an
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  Inquisitor. Yeah, it's scary as hell.
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  It was really well done. And then the diva shows up.
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  I was gonna say and then it you think scary then scarier now?
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  No, it's way, way fucking scarier.
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  What happens? I wasn't all that surprised
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  Vader showed up. No.
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  But I am exceedingly impressed every single time by his Cape
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  flutter, his entrance, the Skywalker entrance that we all
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  have. We all have come to expect OK
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  the the drama of it all, but then his fighting and his power
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  look makes the Inquisitors look like children.
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  Yes. And he's made of metal, so he's
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  working under some kind of restriction.
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  Yeah, but he fights one handed for the most part, like it's no
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  big deal. No big deal.
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  My favorite part of his. OK, this is so this is terrible.
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  But like Donkey, donkey nails him right, puts a cut in him
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  somewhere. Shoulder, hip, maybe hip.
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  I don't remember 'cause I know Vader hits mom on the hip, but.
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  OK, well, Donkey got him. Yeah.
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  And then Vader, just Wham, Wham, Wham, Wham.
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  He said fuck this guy. And he just started wailing on
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  his ass. I said there's my man.
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  There he is. Anakin's pissed.
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  Here we go. Yeah, it's like if you if you
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  hit him, you better kill him 'cause if you just wound him,
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  it's like poking a beehive. It's it's a, it's a bad move,
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  but like, kudos to Daki. I know I am heartbroken.
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  I knew it was coming. Who didn't?
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  But honestly? But I mean, it was the setup we
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  expected, right? Where?
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  I am glad that he died by Vader because what a hell of a fight,
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  you know, like how like, if you're going to be defeated,
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  like. Maul abandoned him.
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  Oh well, we expected that. Maul doesn't give a shit about
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  anybody and he's scared shitless of he's scared fucking shitless
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  of Vader. Hugh called it.
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  Hugh called it. Listen, Hugh, our patron and
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  friend nailed it and I told him. I texted him afterwards.
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  I, I, I messaged him. I said dude all over it.
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  He needs the we need to make him like a custom T-shirt or
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  something for that, 'cause that is.
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  Hugh nailed it just like Filoni gets it.
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  He nailed. It that's great.
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  Oh my God, I love it. But for real, Maul said.
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  I'm out. He's like, I'm out.
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  I, I don't, I don't have enough. I don't.
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  I'm not. I'm not doing this.
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  And you could see him evaluate seeing Devin and knowing that if
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  Devin saw Daki die, that it would work in his favor.
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  And he made that decision quickly.
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  And then Daki knew he did it also.
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  There was just enough time to see the realization in
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  everybody's eyes, and except Devin, she didn't know why.
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  Who? Saw it though.
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  Did Lawson see it? Someone was observing from above
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  and saw mall abandoned. Oh, I actually you're right, but
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  I don't know who. I can't remember.
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  I want to say it was Lawson. Was it the sun?
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  I don't remember Riley. I always forget his name.
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  I have to go back and watch it. Oh darn.
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  I know, right? What I feel the most, what I
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  feel the most upset about is that I hope Doc he didn't die
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  fearing that his Padawan would would turn like I hope he found
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  peace in that moment because he was fighting to defend, you
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  know, what he believed in and he believed in her and the Jedi
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  and, you know, good over evil and.
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  And considering his ribs were probably broken, he held his own
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  pretty well. Honestly and for a little guy,
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  he gave me Yoda vibes against Palpatine.
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  Yeah. In the prequels, you know,
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  don't, don't underestimate someone based on their size.
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  They're Wiley. They can flip and jip and dupe
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  and do the whole thing and. He was awesome.
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  I really like that character. So I'm actually really saying
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  no, he won't be in season 2. It was a very short lived run,
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  but maybe they'll do like Tales of Forest Ghost.
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  No forest ghost that's. A good idea Tales of the Forest
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  Ghost we should definitely get. That I was.
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  I was sad to see him go, but Maul's a bastard at the end of
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  the day. I feel so bad for him and then I
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  don't. I know he tricks you and that's
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  kind. I love that when you like that
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  love, hate relationship with a a bad, like a bad guy in a in a in
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  a movie, sometimes you love to hate them.
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  But Maul I start to like maybe he's got good into and it's like
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  always in the back of my mind. I keep remembering how he was in
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  rebels. It was never about really
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  training Ezra. He was more than happy to just
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  abandoned Ezra and it's no different now.
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  I I do want to know what he's going to do with Devin as his
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  apprentice and like what is his goal?
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  He claims he's not going to let Sidious do this to anyone else,
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  but we know he doesn't succeed. Yes, right.
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  And we know that. Well, I mean, we don't know what
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  happens to her, but we know that she's not in any of the other
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  material. So if she's some sort of
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  sacrificial lamb, something. I'm I'm going to guess he's
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  going to abandon her at some point too, because yeah, that's
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  what they do. He's only using her and it makes
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  me wonder about, oh I can't remember the character's name
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  now, The Mandalorian that was kind of like by his side the
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  whole time, played by the woman who voiced Hera, who I'm also
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  forgetting her name. Vanessa Marshall.
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  Oh. Cast or cast or something.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yes, yes.
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  She was so loyal to him and it makes me wonder like why?
• 24:09
  What do you? Think it's it's it's no
• 24:12
  different than anyone else seduced into serving the Empire
• 24:16
  or serving Sidious, thinking that somehow following that
• 24:19
  path, it's gonna work out for you, even though it has not
• 24:22
  worked out for almost anyone else.
• 24:25
  Why would you think that being loyal to Maul would somehow work
• 24:30
  for for you, but almost no one else who's ever come into
• 24:35
  contact with him? I don't know what she was
• 24:36
  thinking. What did he promise her?
• 24:40
  It's these are all valid questions we'll probably never
• 24:42
  get answers to because it's just a long line of people used as
• 24:46
  pawns in a Sith game. And we see it all the time with
• 24:50
  the Sith, you know? Well, they're almost all dead
• 24:53
  now, like all the characters in this show.
• 24:55
  So next season is gonna be, like I said, I think we're narrowing
• 25:00
  in more and more on what Maul is really doing and the rest will
• 25:05
  kind of be secondary. We have Crimson Dawn now
• 25:09
  officially in in place. Yeah, wherever that's.
• 25:14
  But we also don't know if Lawson died.
• 25:17
  I don't think he did. It'd be much worse if he was
• 25:20
  captured by Vader. Well, I don't have time for
• 25:26
  that. We need him to be.
• 25:28
  We need him to be in one piece and continue his storyline
• 25:31
  because that's not finished yet. We have the wife who's hanging
• 25:34
  out somewhere on the outskirts. We have Riley who's very
• 25:37
  involved now. Yeah.
• 25:39
  In all of this, he's essentially A fugitive and A and a he's
• 25:44
  committed treason. 2 boots. They took his boots.
• 25:50
  Why that is like, I can't believe you recognized me
• 25:52
  without my boots. I.
• 25:54
  Know I know I love that so much though, but we got his actual
• 25:58
  like code name to BOTS or some to Riley said it out and I said
• 26:05
  oh shit, what was that? That's cute because it's always
• 26:08
  something like it. Always it.
• 26:10
  Is actually like 2 boots but spelled with letters or numbers
• 26:13
  instead of letters. I love that though, I think.
• 26:16
  I like that he he got his mind swapped around, like finally
• 26:21
  thinking the right way because he was dehumanized, which I
• 26:24
  found really funny. What a way to come to the the
• 26:30
  the same conclusion. I mean, talk about taking a
• 26:33
  whole walk around the block just to get to the same conclusion
• 26:37
  that everyone else got to 1st. Like damn.
• 26:41
  Well. Also, I do think it was because
• 26:43
  he's he felt partial towards Riley.
• 26:45
  And it's one thing if Lawson finds himself in a, in a a
• 26:48
  pinch, but like, don't bring the kid into it.
• 26:50
  And I, I do think that there was something there with that.
• 26:53
  And then they took his boots. So like, that was that was too
• 26:58
  much for two boots. Everyone has a limit.
• 27:04
  I'm sorry, that needs to be a hashtag.
• 27:06
  Too much for two boots. Yeah, too much for two boots.
• 27:09
  We had enough. That was it, yeah.
• 27:15
  I really hope Lawson isn't dead because I really like him and
• 27:19
  like he said, there's so much that could still be explored
• 27:23
  with his character. We also don't know if his friend
• 27:27
  is actually dead. I forget her name, but the one
• 27:30
  who kind of brought him into a trap and there's an explosion
• 27:35
  but we don't see, you know, that she actually dies.
• 27:38
  So. I attention, I did like that.
• 27:41
  I really did. I like that little element of
• 27:43
  that. She was that was that was good.
• 27:45
  I'm I'm actually upset at myself that I didn't see that coming at
• 27:48
  first. I thought there was something
• 27:53
  because there was something, some tension in the air there
• 27:56
  between them, and I wondered if Riley was actually either bugged
• 28:02
  with a tracker or had made an agreement with the the
• 28:06
  Inquisitor to lead them to his dad.
• 28:11
  But. Then it turned out that they
• 28:12
  were just walking into a trap. But I think that what because he
• 28:16
  he just said that the Inquisitor came in and was terrifying and
• 28:19
  he said I didn't know anything, so they left me alone.
• 28:22
  It's like when they have kind of assumed that at some point, I
• 28:26
  don't know. That maybe that's just that's.
• 28:29
  Maybe that's just stealing the plot line from Kenobi with Areva
• 28:33
  and and what was the little Droid Lula or something.
• 28:39
  Like that Lola. Lola, isn't it Lola?
• 28:43
  I think you're right. Yeah, Not yeah.
• 28:46
  Her name was Lola. It was a show girl.
• 28:50
  Oh God man, I really liked the scene where Devin ends up facing
• 28:59
  the two inquisitors and she takes off her Cape like a badass
• 29:04
  and she's like cracks her knuckles basically and like
• 29:06
  let's go. I loved.
• 29:08
  It I know she reminds me a lot of Obi Wan as a piano Wan.
• 29:12
  Actually, I've seen this like it as parallels that Daki is like
• 29:16
  Qui Gon and Devin is like Obi Wan.
• 29:18
  Not in the way that it's not that Obi Wan was doubting
• 29:22
  anything or anything like that, but more so like the ability and
• 29:26
  the just the the dynamic between them.
• 29:29
  It's not 100% parallel, but I do see it there.
• 29:32
  There's something interesting about.
• 29:33
  That had a snarl just like young man Obi did and but two
• 29:38
  different paths I. Mean.
• 29:41
  This this again, to bring up Obi Wan and why he's the the
• 29:45
  absolute best is because he experienced the exact same thing
• 29:50
  as Devin, probably around the same age and chose differently
• 29:56
  and chose a completely different path.
• 29:57
  Now we don't know what's going to happen to Devin, but she said
• 30:00
  I'm I'm ready. Would she?
• 30:01
  Say at the end, something like that, yeah.
• 30:04
  I I think I'm ready or I'm finally ready or something so
• 30:07
  powerful because you could see it in her face change.
• 30:11
  The hate was there and Mall knew it and I hate that.
• 30:15
  I know he used all of her pain like waited very patiently until
• 30:19
  the moment was right, knew it was going to happen somehow.
• 30:24
  Can I also just point out since we were kind of talking about
• 30:26
  Obi Wan that watching this show, you know, there's been fights
• 30:30
  with Moll where Moll was really aggressive in and defeating
• 30:34
  everyone and then Vader comes in and is so good.
• 30:37
  He one handedly is like over powering Moll.
• 30:40
  Obi Wan beat them both. Hell yeah, multiple.
• 30:44
  Times more than once, yeah. This is why we titled the show
• 30:50
  the way we did. He is, don't forget it
• 30:54
  motherfuckers, that he is the best.
• 30:58
  Everyone in the room has lost limbs because of him and he'll
• 31:02
  do it again. He will end your ass again.
• 31:06
  Yeah, that's all I like. Vader was terrifying and so
• 31:09
  powerful and immediately just over like standing over them,
• 31:13
  literally bending over them and keeping them on the back foot.
• 31:17
  Everybody was overwhelmed. And there's three people
• 31:20
  fighting him and they can't win. And I was like, Kenobi comes in
• 31:24
  and deals with this guy immediately.
• 31:26
  Within a couple of minutes, it's like he's done.
• 31:29
  Twice. It's just I love him so much.
• 31:33
  Yeah. I want to touch on one thing
• 31:36
  about Maul that I noticed is this is this is the fault in the
• 31:43
  Sith and the dark side and the whole thing.
• 31:46
  Maul in his moment of pain and like self reflection if you
• 31:50
  will, said I'm never going to let him do this again to anyone.
• 31:53
  And then he goes and does the same shit to Devin.
• 31:59
  So tell me again how perpetuating the cycle ends the
• 32:03
  cycle? Yeah, and he does it to Ezra
• 32:08
  too. He doesn't stop.
• 32:11
  And I think he's kind of a creep for keep trying to do this to
• 32:15
  teenagers. Like pick on someone your own
• 32:17
  size. Yeah, what a great point.
• 32:20
  Like he's it was. Purposely using people who
• 32:23
  aren't as strong because they physically have not grown up
• 32:26
  yet, they're not mentally experienced enough because they
• 32:29
  haven't grown up yet and their emotions at this time in their
• 32:32
  biological life have not matured yet.
• 32:35
  And I think that's gross. Not in like a not like in a
• 32:38
  gross, gross way, but like in a Stop praying on the weak.
• 32:42
  Yeah, I mean, it is kind of a form of grooming, right?
• 32:47
  I mean, it is, it is 'cause it's knowing that there's somebody
• 32:50
  who's vulnerable that you can infiltrate their way of thinking
• 32:53
  and manipulate it. That is basically grooming.
• 32:56
  So that. Is the Sith code.
• 32:58
  And you don't see him doing that to Kanan?
• 33:02
  Nope, no. He does a little bit with
• 33:05
  Ahsoka, but she is kind of still young when they're talking.
• 33:10
  Yeah, but they're also just talking, and Ahsoka is pretty
• 33:13
  fucking set. Yeah, she's like, OK, tell me
• 33:17
  and I'll decide. I mean, they let each other,
• 33:20
  they know this game they're playing, they're talking about
• 33:22
  the same person when they're talking, like it's like.
• 33:25
  Yeah. Chess, not checkers.
• 33:28
  And I loved that this my train of thought is because of Ahsoka
• 33:33
  and Clone Wars season 7 and how Maul doesn't have a weapon and
• 33:36
  he like pulls down the reactor room.
• 33:38
  He does that he. Does it again.
• 33:40
  So and he and then Vader does it too.
• 33:43
  I know it's. Just like you.
• 33:45
  Guys are fucking crazy collapsing buildings on
• 33:49
  yourselves. I fucking love these guys.
• 33:52
  I love them. I'm like throwing my hands
• 33:54
  around here because I'm so excited.
• 33:56
  I just, I love. I love just the unhingedness of
• 34:01
  it all. It's some of it is that that
• 34:07
  element is allowed. It's a little bit more fun than
• 34:09
  watching Jedi. Yeah, Jedi are very controlled.
• 34:12
  They're systematic. They know what?
• 34:16
  Yeah, they know how to fight, but they don't use everything.
• 34:20
  Watching Clone Wars, some of the most fun is when the characters,
• 34:24
  the Jedi get put into a situation where they kind of
• 34:28
  have to tread the line a little bit of maybe like Anakin getting
• 34:32
  really upset and beating up brush Clovis is it lives on in
• 34:37
  our minds for a long. Time it it, it absolutely does.
• 34:42
  But remember Kenobi? I was thinking this too in the
• 34:45
  Kenobi series, how he lifted all those boulders and just threw
• 34:49
  them at Vader in the last episode.
• 34:52
  Like that's power. It's power.
• 34:55
  Yeah, one of our patrons, I can't remember who it was now,
• 34:58
  'cause I got so many DMS on Instagram after the show,
• 35:02
  someone was saying why doesn't anyone else think to go for
• 35:05
  Vader's chest plate? Because plot safety.
• 35:10
  And Obi Wan is the smartest. That's and Obi Wan.
• 35:15
  Well and Ahsoka. Ahsoka went for the helmet too
• 35:17
  when in Rebels. But yeah, Obi Wan literally
• 35:23
  threw boulders at his his poor chest plate.
• 35:28
  Shit, I. Oh my God.
• 35:30
  I just, I love Star Wars so much.
• 35:35
  I know it's so much fun and it's emotionally investing as well.
• 35:40
  I think that that was all part of it.
• 35:43
  There was some great like action sequences too, where Vader's
• 35:48
  about to kill Maul and Devin puts her blade in between and
• 35:52
  saves him. And then there's the it's like
• 35:55
  the the Inquisitors have 4 blades total, and they're
• 35:58
  fighting Daki and Devin, and it's like there's a moment where
• 36:01
  all blades touch at once and they pause for just a second so
• 36:04
  that the audience can see it looking fucking awesome.
• 36:07
  It's so good. It reminded me of of Obi Wan
• 36:11
  fighting Savage and and and Maul times three.
• 36:15
  It was, yeah. It's fun.
• 36:17
  This is why Star Wars this can be fun.
• 36:20
  Yeah. And oh, let's not, let's not
• 36:22
  forget the lighting, the shading.
• 36:24
  And did you happen to notice, did they do something different
• 36:27
  in the last two episodes where the, the background or the
• 36:30
  foreground of it of the shot was like watercolor?
• 36:34
  Did you happen to notice it looked like?
• 36:37
  I've kind of noticed that throughout, actually.
• 36:40
  Maybe I just noticed it now, but like what they're flying in
• 36:42
  somewhere or they they start with a a shot from way up above
• 36:46
  and then they come down closer. It looked like watercolor
• 36:49
  paintings or like not even like maybe oil paint.
• 36:51
  It looked like an art that got crisper and clear as they got
• 36:55
  closer. And I thought, what are they
• 36:57
  doing? This is amazing.
• 36:59
  I know it's so beautiful, I really hope it.
• 37:02
  I really hope it wasn't made with AI 'cause I feel like such
• 37:05
  an asshole praising AII. Think it was still done with
• 37:09
  animation like you know. AI doesn't.
• 37:13
  AI doesn't do it that well though.
• 37:16
  No, it doesn't. And I've heard doing things
• 37:18
  like, did you see that Coca-Cola Christmas AD that they did?
• 37:24
  It was all AI with all the Olar bears.
• 37:26
  I did a little research into it because it made my skin crawl
• 37:30
  and they said that it took just as much time and more money than
• 37:35
  if they had just animated it with human beings because AI is
• 37:39
  really bad at doing match editing.
• 37:42
  So like one perspective and then you cut to the next shot and the
• 37:46
  truck's in the wrong spot and all the buildings are moved.
• 37:50
  And you end up spending more time correcting the mistakes
• 37:53
  than you do creating a piece that is usable.
• 37:56
  I hate it. Yeah, so I, I really think this
• 38:01
  is old school animation. I don't think it's AI animation.
• 38:06
  I haven't looked into it though. But either way, I do think that
• 38:10
  it's animation style is close enough to Clone Wars to tie it
• 38:16
  together, but it's its own thing really.
• 38:21
  I agree with all that whole thing.
• 38:23
  Yes, Clone Wars style, but elevated in a way that we
• 38:28
  haven't seen anything like it. Not like this.
• 38:32
  Not like this. The the texture and the
• 38:34
  atmosphere is incredible. And I saw an interview, just a
• 38:39
  snippet of an interview with David Collins, who you know,
• 38:43
  we've he's voiced stuff in every single Star Wars thing since I
• 38:47
  think Phantom Menace. But he was the sound designer on
• 38:50
  this show, which I didn't realize.
• 38:51
  I didn't know that makes sense though, it's so good.
• 38:54
  It's so good and they're using like the most recent technology,
• 38:58
  which of course, I'm sorry, I don't know what it is.
• 39:00
  It used to be like Atmos, and now maybe it's something else, I
• 39:03
  don't know. But he said it gives him full
• 39:06
  texturization in sound. So for example, one of the shots
• 39:11
  was a train coming and Devin jumps out of the way, or
• 39:14
  somebody jumps out of the right and the train goes over the
• 39:17
  camera and runs over us. So he moved the sound up above.
• 39:24
  So if you listen with headphones, it feels like the
• 39:27
  sound is above you. That's so cool.
• 39:30
  That is so cool. How fun would it be for them to
• 39:34
  do their job like this is probably they probably had a
• 39:37
  blast. And they're like, for an
• 39:40
  animated series, I feel like that is more rich detail than
• 39:45
  some movies or like Netflix series that we're seeing where
• 39:49
  all the imagery is flat and washed out.
• 39:52
  There's no more highlighting. There's no more like depth of
• 39:55
  field anymore. Everything's so dark.
• 39:58
  You have you. You have to turn your contrast
• 40:00
  up just to see anything. 100% and this show is.
• 40:07
  It's a breath of fucking fresh air, let's be real.
• 40:10
  Say it louder for the folks in the back.
• 40:13
  I agree it's. So beautiful.
• 40:17
  I don't know what awards it could win, but it should win all
• 40:20
  of them. And Sam should win for his
• 40:22
  performance because it was the full spectrum of emotion and it
• 40:26
  was so beautifully done. I just, I just hats off to
• 40:30
  everyone involved from top to bottom in this project.
• 40:32
  It they they really knocked it out of the park.
• 40:34
  I love, I loved it and I had fun again.
• 40:36
  And that, that is a breath of fresh air.
• 40:39
  Yeah, for real. Did you know that Sam also
• 40:44
  voiced Sidious in this? Oh, I I didn't know that, but I
• 40:49
  did. I recall myself wondering.
• 40:53
  Yeah, I did too, 'cause he's done it in the past.
• 40:57
  Oh, they're so damn talented. I know, I don't know how they do
• 41:00
  it. Talented.
• 41:02
  And he did Young. I think he did Young Savage also
• 41:06
  in addition to his own, like Young.
• 41:09
  Stuff we we totally skipped over the fact that Savage was even in
• 41:11
  this. Which just for a second.
• 41:14
  That was nice, you know, to see like.
• 41:17
  Yeah. My brother, you know.
• 41:20
  Heartbreaking too, 'cause his he's kind of begging Moll not to
• 41:24
  go when he's a young person, but I don't think he had a choice.
• 41:27
  I think Mother Towson made an arrangement with Sidious that
• 41:30
  Sidious was allowed to take Moll whether or not Moll wanted to
• 41:33
  go. So.
• 41:35
  I mean, the whole thing is just history repeating itself, you
• 41:39
  know? Yeah, and the fact that Moll
• 41:44
  gets cut in half and falls down a reactor shaft and Sidious
• 41:49
  never went to look for him, just let it let him disappear, never
• 41:56
  went to check to see if he was actually dead, and then just
• 41:59
  moved on without him. Just.
• 42:01
  Moved on. What a nice guy.
• 42:04
  Yeah, jeez, man. I don't blame Maul for his
• 42:09
  emotions. Honestly, when it's directed at
• 42:11
  Sidious, I don't blame him at all.
• 42:14
  This is it's so interesting because it Sam was saying before
• 42:18
  the show came out that mall has very good reasons in Mall's mind
• 42:22
  for what he's doing. And he's like, they're bad
• 42:24
  reasons and they're not he's not a good person, but you'll
• 42:28
  understand more. And I like that this is what he
• 42:31
  meant this it gives the character so much more
• 42:35
  complexity. And that, I think, is one of the
• 42:41
  best things about Star Wars is the way they give you this
• 42:45
  character that's interesting. And then if they have the time
• 42:48
  or the money, they'll go deeper into why.
• 42:53
  Yeah, Vader's a great example. We all knew, Vader insisted.
• 42:57
  Then they took a whole prequels to explain where Anakin came
• 43:02
  from and why you would become Vader.
• 43:04
  Not only that, Anakin had good reasons in his mind for doing
• 43:08
  what he did, and it didn't. It wasn't good and he wasn't.
• 43:13
  None of this was good. And if you can trick your victim
• 43:18
  into thinking that, you know what you're doing is right, you
• 43:22
  know, wink, wink, yeah, then they really go all in until they
• 43:29
  end up like, like, like Anakin says, what have I done?
• 43:32
  Yeah, there's no, no turning back now.
• 43:36
  I honestly, I think that's what Mall is thinking when he looks
• 43:39
  in the puddle, like, what have I done?
• 43:40
  What have I become? Oh, and then he just shoves it
• 43:43
  aside like I can't, I can't go there.
• 43:45
  That's the darkest, scariest part of him and he does not want
• 43:48
  to deal with it. I get it.
• 43:50
  There's parts of myself that I feel that way about, choices
• 43:53
  I've made, parts of my life I wish I would have done
• 43:56
  differently. Group regrets.
• 43:58
  Absolutely. I think we all have it, not to
• 44:01
  the degree of mall. But I think there is something
• 44:06
  in in everyone's past where if you think about it, you will
• 44:09
  have that kind of no, no, no, no, no, don't want to think
• 44:12
  about that kind of reaction to it.
• 44:14
  You have to face it. And that's where Kenobi, again,
• 44:20
  Trump's all of them because he faces, he has to physically and
• 44:25
  mentally and emotionally face Anakin and Vader in the Kenobi
• 44:30
  series before he can be set free.
• 44:32
  Everyone else is just blocking it out.
• 44:34
  And that's not that's not how that's done.
• 44:37
  Yeah, what an interesting point too, that once you face it,
• 44:43
  you're free. Well, that's the trick of of
• 44:46
  therapy, isn't it? I mean.
• 44:50
  Theoretically. Theoretically, yeah.
• 44:53
  Yeah. I mean, also you're not really
• 44:55
  like realistically, you're not really ever free, but you learn
• 44:58
  to manage. Much better.
• 45:01
  Make peace with something, honor, honor your own self and
• 45:05
  move forward. Do better.
• 45:08
  None of these fuckers have done this.
• 45:10
  There wasn't a therapist in the Jedi temple.
• 45:12
  I'm still campaigning for one. But, but honestly, I mean,
• 45:19
  that's what that's what sets someone like Dokey apart from
• 45:24
  someone like Moll. Yeah, absolutely.
• 45:28
  Rest in peace Docie, I will miss him.
• 45:31
  I know, what a bummer. 10 episodes and we fell in love
• 45:36
  with a brand new character. I know there was something so
• 45:41
  peaceful and calming about him. He, like everything, is chaos in
• 45:45
  this show except him. Yeah.
• 45:47
  Here's that little center that we needed to hold on to.
• 45:51
  Now what will? Happen.
• 45:53
  In Season 2. Don't know.
• 45:55
  It's gonna be fun. I think it's gonna be fun.
• 45:57
  I hope. I hope they bring it like they
• 45:59
  did this season. I'm sure they will.
• 46:01
  Yeah, I'm sure they will. And there's potential that there
• 46:04
  could be more than just one more season.
• 46:06
  There could be multiple seasons of this show because it's
• 46:08
  fucking great. And I would not be sorry if it
• 46:11
  if it can keep holding this quality.
• 46:13
  Right. Yeah, please.
• 46:14
  Yes, hold the quality, stay the course, keep it fun, right?
• 46:21
  Another T-shirt idea. Oh, I'll get on it.
• 46:27
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• 46:37
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• 46:42
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  You don't have to make an account or anything.
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  It's very easy and we watch something Star Wars and there's
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  Yes, and if we rewatch mall, think of the things we'll we'll
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  see for I mean, the second time through you can notice more.
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  I know it's gonna be fun. It's always fun to watch
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  something the first time. And now that we know everything,
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  we're gonna go back and rewatch it, see what else we find.
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  Yeah, can't wait. So we're gonna do the first two
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  episodes in May, and then we'll do 2 episodes each month until
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  we finish. So please join us over on
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  So please come join us, have lots of fun.
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  You'll also get access to all of our the rest of our content.
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  Our Jedi Masters get access to everything.
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  So there's lots for you to go through.
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  We have full length interview with James Arnold Taylor, 2 full
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  length interviews that are videos.
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  You'll get to see special stuff. Yes.
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  Check it out. And our next episode, we're
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  going back to talking about Luke Skywalker because it's been a
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  minute and we miss him. We do.
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  And because the mall show was so heavy on beautiful lighting and,
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  and the symbology of everything, we're going to take that same
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  element and step through each of the three original trilogy
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  episodes and talk about the specific lighting that was used
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  just for Luke. We'll talk about how the
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  lighting changes and why and the symbology behind it.
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  And it's just an excuse to talk about Mark Hamill and Luke
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  Skywalker, so. It is looking very pretty and
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  lit very nicely. And we love symbology over here,
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  so yeah, it's a perfect combo. Please join us on our next
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