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Did These 90s Metal Album Completely Ruin Everything? (2014 Archive) · Classic Metal Show

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SPEAKER_03: Hey, this is Vicki from Sixth Sense, and you're watching CMS-TV.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, speaking of guys you dig in bad releases, two of your faves, Phil and Salmo.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, says Metallica's Load album should never have been released.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a terrible record.
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SPEAKER_01: Blasphemy.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, and it's funny that he's commenting on it now.
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SPEAKER_01: I know.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like, what was that, 94?
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SPEAKER_01: Or was that 96?
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SPEAKER_00: 96, I think.
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SPEAKER_00: 96.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 96.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Former Pantera and current downed frontman, Phil Anselmo.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: He says that talked about some of the records that have had an impact on his life
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SPEAKER_01: for the Discs of Doom.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Hang on a minute.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to do something real quick.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to send a message real quick.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: To who?
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SPEAKER_01: To my mom.
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SPEAKER_01: Wait, mom's texting you?
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SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_01: She's on the Skype, but I'm going to tell her to tune in.
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SPEAKER_00: You're going to tell her to tune in on a Phil and Selma Metallica story?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, she never listens.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, well, tell me when she's in so I can start really dropping F-bombs.
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SPEAKER_00: CMS.
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SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you how much I like to fuck old people.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: I love the taste of dried up pussy.
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SPEAKER_00: Nice.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at the Metallica record right now.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I agree with Phil.
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SPEAKER_00: I like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: And I always argue this and people always fight with me about it,
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SPEAKER_00: but I like quite a few of those songs.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, anyway, Phil says, yeah, um, let's see here.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh,
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SPEAKER_01: It's the article in the latest issue of UK's Metal Hammer magazine.
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SPEAKER_01: Ask which album should never have seen the light of day.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And Selma replied, I would have to say Load by Metallica.
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SPEAKER_01: Number one.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what he says.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a terrible record, man.
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SPEAKER_01: Really?
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SPEAKER_01: I just don't get it.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're going to put out a record like that,
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SPEAKER_01: just do a fucking side project or something, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And Salmo first publicly criticized Metallica's load in 2003 when he slammed
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SPEAKER_01: the heavy metal giants.
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SPEAKER_00: On stage, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I remember being at those shows.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's before that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for touring with supporting acts like Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park.
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SPEAKER_01: And challenging them to a road duel,
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SPEAKER_01: head-to-head,
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SPEAKER_01: on any stage, telling an interviewer, heavy metal lies in the underground.
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SPEAKER_01: And if they're worried about why in the hell would Metallica be worried about ticket sales?
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SPEAKER_01: Bring out some fucking good bands, he explained.
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SPEAKER_00: Dude, easy.
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SPEAKER_00: Your mom's listening.
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SPEAKER_01: I know.
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SPEAKER_01: That was due to a conversation Metallica frontman James Hatfield and I had years ago
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SPEAKER_01: when I was talking to him about their new album.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that was when Load was out and it was kind of shocked everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: Everybody was freaked out.
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SPEAKER_01: Claiming that Metallica never would have shared a stage with Pantera in the U.S.
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SPEAKER_01: because they know what would fucking happen.
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SPEAKER_01: We would have fucking ate them alive.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I can be part of this conversation.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a family show.
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SPEAKER_00: Your mom's listening.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the end of the fucking sentence.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm repeating your pal.
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SPEAKER_01: Man, your mom doesn't want to hear this.
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SPEAKER_01: This is your brother in arms here speaking this way.
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SPEAKER_00: For God's sakes.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, next thing you know, you'll be saying bad things when your sister's on the air.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: As if she hadn't outdone me just in her one and only appearance.
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Right.
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SPEAKER_01: The long and the short of it, that is.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Really?
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SPEAKER_01: Good segment.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's see here.
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SPEAKER_01: We would crush them.
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SPEAKER_01: Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich responded to Anselmo's challenge by saying,
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SPEAKER_01: is he that desperate to tour?
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SPEAKER_01: I love all these challenges.
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SPEAKER_01: The old step it up and adding that Anselmo has a tendency to talk a lot
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SPEAKER_01: of horseshit most of the time.
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SPEAKER_01: Horseshit.
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SPEAKER_01: Is that now or then?
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SPEAKER_01: I guess that was when he was doing... 2002 or whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Anselmo appeared to soften his tone by the time Down and Metallica toured together in 2008.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: And two years later,
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SPEAKER_01: Anselmo told Ultimate Guitar that he considered Metallica to be the rolling stones
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SPEAKER_01: of metal in terms of career and longevity.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, that's fair.
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SPEAKER_01: In a 2013 interview with Revolver Magazine,
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SPEAKER_01: Lars Ulrich was asked what he felt was Metallica's most underappreciated release.
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SPEAKER_01: Lulu?
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SPEAKER_01: I think Load and Reload are great records, he replied.
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SPEAKER_01: They are creatively on par with every other record we've made.
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SPEAKER_01: They're bluesier records.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know that they're bluesy.
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SPEAKER_01: Bluesy?
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SPEAKER_01: Yuck.
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SPEAKER_01: And at that time, we were listening to a lot of Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and ACDC.
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SPEAKER_01: Are you kidding me?
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SPEAKER_00: Wait a minute.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't hear that in any of those songs.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't hear any of that in any of those songs.
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SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not hearing that reference.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, let's see here.
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SPEAKER_01: We had a different kind of foundation than the records before or after,
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SPEAKER_01: and I understand that there are people who couldn't quite figure out what was going
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SPEAKER_01: on with the haircuts and the rest of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the sperm covers on the cover.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's fine,
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SPEAKER_01: but musically,
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SPEAKER_01: if you strip all the other stuff away,
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SPEAKER_01: if you just listen to the 27 songs,
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SPEAKER_01: Load and Reload, were intended as a one-double record.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a great collection of songs that is on par with everything else that we've done.
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SPEAKER_01: Disagree.
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SPEAKER_01: Disagree.
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SPEAKER_01: But I mean.
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SPEAKER_01: There's 10 good songs on those
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SPEAKER_00: two records.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, who needs another person to sit there and argue about,
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SPEAKER_01: you know, fucking Carp Diem, baby?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, he's right about that.
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SPEAKER_01: They are different records, but that was the intention.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not like we sat there and thought we were making Injustice for All.
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SPEAKER_01: That's clear.
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SPEAKER_01: We are obviously aware of that,
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SPEAKER_01: but I think personally there's great songs on both of those records,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'm very proud of those records.
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All right.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm proud.
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SPEAKER_00: Dude, me and John argue this all the time about these.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you think that there's 10 good songs on those two records?
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SPEAKER_01: It would be tough.
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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SPEAKER_01: to be honest with you,
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SPEAKER_01: I haven't listened to those records literally since they came out,
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SPEAKER_01: to be honest with you.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at Load right now.
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SPEAKER_01: I did go to the tour.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: That's when they started with the stage in the middle of the arena.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But I did not.
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SPEAKER_01: I listened probably to those records maybe twice, and it's like.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, let's see.
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SPEAKER_00: Ate My Bitch.
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SPEAKER_00: I know you know that song.
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Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_00: That song sucks, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Not a fan.
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SPEAKER_00: Not a fan.
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SPEAKER_00: Two by four?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm definitely not a fan.
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SPEAKER_00: How's the Jack Built?
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SPEAKER_00: Eh.
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SPEAKER_00: Listenable, I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: Until It Sleeps, sucks.
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SPEAKER_00: King Nothing, that one's okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Hero of the Day, no.
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SPEAKER_00: Bleeding Me, best Metallica song ever.
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SPEAKER_00: The Cure, no.
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SPEAKER_00: Poor Twisted Me, no.
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SPEAKER_00: Wasting My Hate, that's a good one.
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SPEAKER_00: Pretty good.
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SPEAKER_00: Mama Said, no.
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SPEAKER_00: Thorn Within, no.
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SPEAKER_00: Ronnie, no.
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SPEAKER_00: Outlaw Torn, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's what, about five I said yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yep, that's about it so far.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's five.
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SPEAKER_00: Let me find Reload real quick.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
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SPEAKER_00: Put an RE in here.
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SPEAKER_00: Where is Reload?
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SPEAKER_00: So we're at five.
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SPEAKER_00: Reload.
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SPEAKER_00: Reload Metallica.
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SPEAKER_00: Fuel?
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SPEAKER_00: I kind of like it, even though it was overplayed.
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SPEAKER_00: Memory Remains?
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SPEAKER_00: That was okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Devil's Dance?
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SPEAKER_00: That was good.
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SPEAKER_00: Unforgiven 2?
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SPEAKER_00: Never.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Better Than You?
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SPEAKER_00: Never.
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SPEAKER_00: Slither?
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SPEAKER_00: Never.
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SPEAKER_00: Carpe Diem Baby?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Bad Seed?
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SPEAKER_00: Because I'm choking on it, Daniel.
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SPEAKER_00: I like the riff in that song.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'll give that a yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Where the Wild Things Are?
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SPEAKER_00: Eh, can't remember it.
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SPEAKER_00: Prince Charming?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Low Man's Lyric?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Attitude?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Fixer?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So how many was that?
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SPEAKER_00: Was that like five on that one, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, about.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's like 10 decent songs.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: And none of these are brilliant.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_02: None of them are brilliant songs.
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SPEAKER_02: Now let's break it down.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: Is it the lyrical content?
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SPEAKER_02: Is it the performance?
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SPEAKER_02: Or is it the production?
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SPEAKER_00: It's bad songwriting.
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SPEAKER_00: The lyrics are okay, I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: The production is great.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll give them that.
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SPEAKER_00: The production on those two records is as good as anything they've ever done.
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SPEAKER_00: But the songs just weren't very good.
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SPEAKER_00: They can say Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin all they want,
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SPEAKER_00: but let's be honest with what they were writing around.
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SPEAKER_00: They were writing to try and fucking grab the grunge crowd.
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SPEAKER_00: That is what these songs are, hero of the day.
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SPEAKER_00: Now listen to this shit.
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SPEAKER_00: Come on.
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SPEAKER_00: Is there anything?
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SPEAKER_00: That sounds like Nirvana.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it's a single strip down guitar.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it's just like Nirvana.
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SPEAKER_00: There's nothing in here that says Led Zeppelin.
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SPEAKER_00: Right?
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SPEAKER_00: There's nothing Led Zeppelin there.
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SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no Rolling Stones there.
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SPEAKER_00: It's Nirvana.
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SPEAKER_00: They were trying to play to the modern trend at that minute.
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SPEAKER_00: They can reinvent history all they want to, but...
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SPEAKER_00: But that's what they were doing.
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SPEAKER_00: They were trying to play to what was the current trend, and it didn't work.
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SPEAKER_00: And people didn't go for that.
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SPEAKER_00: And that was the problem with those records.
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SPEAKER_00: See, for me, I like some of that stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I was a fan of the grungy era.
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SPEAKER_00: So for me, it's not as bad.
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SPEAKER_00: But listen to this, like wasting my hate.
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SPEAKER_00: Listen to this intro with the fucking fucky effect on James's voice.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not Led Zeppelin either.
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Okay, but I mean, is that anything 70s?
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Doesn't sound like it to me.
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SPEAKER_00: It sounds like Candlebox.
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SPEAKER_00: Pretty much.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what it is.
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SPEAKER_00: It's Candlebox.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not.
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SPEAKER_00: Lars can reinvent and can reinvent history all he wants, but that's what they were doing.
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SPEAKER_00: They were trying to fit in and they were the biggest band in the world
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SPEAKER_00: and they adapted to what was going on.
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SPEAKER_00: They were Kiss.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, that Load and Reload was Dynasty.
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SPEAKER_00: It really was.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it was Disco Dynasty.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Shit.
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SPEAKER_00: Shit.
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SPEAKER_00: Different style.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I would just like to see,
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SPEAKER_01: and we talked about this a while ago,
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SPEAKER_01: so I'm not going to get back into it,
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SPEAKER_01: but I would just like to see Metallica just recapture their sound.
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SPEAKER_00: Dude, they did.
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SPEAKER_01: When?
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SPEAKER_01: Same anger.
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SPEAKER_00: What about Death Magnetic?
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SPEAKER_01: I just thought the production was horrible on that.
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SPEAKER_00: Death Magnetic?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Really?
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SPEAKER_01: It just didn't have that something.
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SPEAKER_01: It just didn't punch in the face.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
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SPEAKER_00: Come on, dude.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not punching you in the face.
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SPEAKER_01: I like that intro.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's James's voice that was on that that just didn't.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's try a little more.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll keep going.
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SPEAKER_00: Same song, Judas Kiss.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course, this has a Laser Wolfs type intro.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Hale and Kill, caller, you're on the air.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, what's up?
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SPEAKER_01: It's Tony from Kansas City.
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SPEAKER_01: What's going on, Tony?
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SPEAKER_01: How's the beer making going for you?
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's not going at all.
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SPEAKER_03: Hey, the best Metallica album is Lulu.
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SPEAKER_01: That's it?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Tony, stay retired.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll forward it to James' voice here.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: This is forever to get to it.
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SPEAKER_00: Here we go.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't think he's bringing it there?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it is.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just there's an element missing.
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SPEAKER_01: I want it to sound more like this.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: That's not even Metallica.
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SPEAKER_01: That's heathen.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was going to say, that's not Metallica.
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SPEAKER_01: They do Metallica better than Metallica.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So what's the difference?
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SPEAKER_01: What's missing there?
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know, because I honestly think that I thought that Death Magnetic was good.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, but my point is between what I just played...
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And what you played on Death Magnetic.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: What's missing?
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SPEAKER_01: What's the element that's missing?
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SPEAKER_01: See, I listen to that heathen and I go, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I listen to Death Magnetic and I go, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: What is the element that's missing there?
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SPEAKER_01: I think you just don't want
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SPEAKER_01: to like Death Magnetic.
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SPEAKER_01: No, that's not true.
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SPEAKER_01: I hope, like so many other people, that their next one is going to be finally.
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SPEAKER_01: But I don't know what that element that's missing is.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a production thing.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's a mix.
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SPEAKER_00: It could be that it was recorded way too loud because it was.
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SPEAKER_00: That album is way loud.
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SPEAKER_01: See, I see Rock roll in the chat room.
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SPEAKER_01: He's like going, hell yeah, nearly agree.
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SPEAKER_01: So what is it?
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SPEAKER_01: What is the missing ingredient there?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, it's certainly not this.
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SPEAKER_00: How did they ever think that was passable?
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: That's still...
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SPEAKER_00: How does a band that at that point had easily 100 million sales think
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SPEAKER_00: that that's going to work?
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SPEAKER_00: How does nobody say, guys, this fucking sucks?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, come on.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, somebody in the chat room brought up Testament, which, you know, aside from demonic...
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:10
SPEAKER_01: I like everything they've done.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: I even like Demonic.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't a fan of that.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: Something just missed there for me.
20:18
SPEAKER_00: You're not a death metal vocal guy.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's really what it is.
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SPEAKER_01: But, you know, their last record, which was okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Dark Roots of...
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SPEAKER_00: Dark Roots of Earth.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: It was okay.
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SPEAKER_01: It didn't grab me as much as the formation of Damnation.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Even, you know, like this.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: So what do you think the ingredient there is?
21:30
SPEAKER_01: Being broke?
21:31
SPEAKER_01: Oh, come on.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: Hungry.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: There's no hungry.
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SPEAKER_01: Is that what it is?
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Do you think that's what it is?
21:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, Metallica doesn't have that kind of real aggression anymore.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: No, but do you think it's the mix?
21:46
SPEAKER_00: I honestly think that it's the performance.
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SPEAKER_00: These guys,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Heathen and whatever,
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SPEAKER_00: Heathen Testament, Exodus,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: none of these guys,
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SPEAKER_00: these guys know that they got to be fucking bigger and better than they were
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SPEAKER_00: the last time or people are going to stop going.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: And dude, think about it.
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SPEAKER_00: If in a Testament show,
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SPEAKER_00: 50 people makes all the difference on if 50 people at night makes all the difference
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SPEAKER_00: on if they can tour again or not.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: A Metallica show.
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SPEAKER_00: If they do a thousand less people, it's not going to affect them one ounce from getting booked.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: True.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: and that's the difference is these guys got to bring their A-game all
22:25
SPEAKER_00: the fucking time.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, there's no record company behind them giving them.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: I got to think the Metallica
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SPEAKER_00: to do another record fucking whatever record company pays them a big sum of money
22:38
SPEAKER_00: to put out another record.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: I don't think that they're making money off of sales anymore.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: No, not at all.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: Hale and Kill Collier on the air.
22:47
SPEAKER_03: Hey, what's up, guys?
22:48
SPEAKER_03: So I think that the main issue is just that whole hunger.
22:51
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you look at bands like Heathen,
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SPEAKER_03: you look at new bands kind of like Havoc,
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SPEAKER_03: sort of that new old-school Bay Area thrash sound, they're hungry.
23:02
SPEAKER_03: It's really hard to be aggressive and grumpy and just play the heck out
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SPEAKER_03: of your instruments when you have,
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SPEAKER_03: you know,
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SPEAKER_03: a $100,000 car in the parking lot and you have a trophy wife and kids and a house
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SPEAKER_03: and all of that.
23:17
SPEAKER_03: I think you could still play by numbers.
23:20
SPEAKER_03: You could say, okay, let's get into the mindset of where we were.
23:22
SPEAKER_03: You could maybe match the lyrics.
23:25
SPEAKER_03: You could maybe even match the music,
23:27
SPEAKER_03: but still there's that soul part that you can't ignore, that you can't replicate.
23:35
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's true,
23:36
SPEAKER_01: but my question has always been for some of these bands who don't have a lot
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SPEAKER_01: of money for production, they don't have a recording budget, really.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: A lot of these guys self-finance.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: Their records come out sounding better than a...
23:51
SPEAKER_03: I mean, take Volbeat's Guitar Gangsters and Cadillac Blood.
23:56
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I think if you listen to that,
23:58
SPEAKER_03: I'm assuming that was produced on a relatively low budget
24:01
SPEAKER_03: because they hadn't really even hit it yet.
24:04
SPEAKER_03: And that sounds absolutely amazing.
24:06
SPEAKER_01: It is.
24:07
SPEAKER_03: And I think you get surrounded by yes men.
24:11
SPEAKER_03: You know,
24:12
SPEAKER_03: you get people who have been with you for X amount of years and have done it,
24:17
SPEAKER_03: you know, just one way.
24:19
SPEAKER_03: And everyone, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sounds great, sounds great.
24:21
SPEAKER_03: And I think, you know, the guys in whose band maybe genuinely don't hear it.
24:26
SPEAKER_03: And, Chris,
24:26
SPEAKER_03: when you interview Halford,
24:28
SPEAKER_03: if you get a chance, I think you talked about that a couple weeks ago.
24:31
SPEAKER_03: That would be a great question to bring up is, What's up with that?
24:35
SPEAKER_03: Do you guys genuinely think that sounds as good as your old stuff sounds,
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SPEAKER_03: or is it you guys just don't listen to it?
24:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, believe me, that question's being asked.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a huge thing.
24:49
SPEAKER_00: There's no way would I not answer that.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: There's no way would I not ask that question.
24:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
24:54
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I got to think a lot of these people are just,
24:58
SPEAKER_03: You know,
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SPEAKER_03: like Braverman said a while ago, it's,
25:02
SPEAKER_03: we're going to give you X amount of dollars to go on tour,
25:04
SPEAKER_03: and they're just going to go, all right, well, we can crank out an album.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: Right.
25:09
SPEAKER_03: And it's just, you know, it's a job.
25:12
SPEAKER_03: It's no longer a passion.
25:13
SPEAKER_03: And that comes through with the music and I think every step of the process.
25:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
25:21
SPEAKER_03: All right.
25:21
SPEAKER_03: Hail and kill.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: Hail and kill.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Well...
25:27
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, just like everybody else, I'm always hopeful for the next one.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: Next one's going to be great.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: I still listen to Death Magnetic all the time.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you
25:41
SPEAKER_00: did like that record when it came out.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: I did.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: I absolutely did.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: Now, St. Anger, don't listen to very much.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: Right.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, but yeah, I like Death Magnetic when it came out.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: I still do.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: I know you do.
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