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Coming up. On this week's episode of hip Hop Now podcast, eminem announces
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a new album called the Death of Slim Shady, thirty years of Outcast's debut
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album, Southern Playlistic Cadillac Funky Music, and Tupac's's State threatens to sue Drake
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Bars for the AI disc record he created towards Kendrick Lamar. Oh, We're
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right into the business though. Eminem announces a brand new album entitled The Death
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of Slim Shady who Day Gras. It'll be released in the summer of twenty
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twenty four. Where we are but you're from the future, so you know
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what you could do? Basically this was so the NFL Draft was in Detroit
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this year and Eminem was I guess, like an ambassador because it was in
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Detroit. So he also decided to not only announce the album, but there
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was like a video that came out to promote the album. Let me just
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tell you, I like this. He didn't give no date and what I
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first and foremost, I'm an Eminem fan, right. I was an Eminem
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fan ever since I heard the Slim Shady LP. I just thought he was
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dope. I liked the content because it was different from everything else listen to
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I just like variety. You know, are they playing it in the barbershop
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in the hood? I honestly never, that was never a bar for me,
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like to reach, like, yo, if they're not playing it here,
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and why should I listen to it? Honestly, it was all about
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whether I like it or not, honestly, and not everybody's gonna like everything,
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and not everybody. It's not like I grew up in the hood where
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no one listened to Sunshady or because that's not true, but I get the
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point of that, Like, it's not overwhelmingly something that all hip hop heads
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like, but you gotta respect his pen game regardless of the content. It's
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just really about how you put the words together. You know. That's what's
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respectable about Eminem, and that's why a lot of your favorite mcs like them.
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You know, it's not the content as much as it's the wordplay.
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So Eminem for me, you know, being an early fan, obviously,
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his first three albums were like just dope, back to back albums, you
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know, a nice run for Eminem. And then somewhere in the middle,
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the formula got tired, the whole Slim Shady goofy stuff, and they kind
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of repeated the formula on what was that joint called like the Final something,
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Final Cut, Final Call, I don't know, but the album was trashed
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and then he kind of went away for a little bit and he came back
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with I Believe Relapse, which felt more like early m And you know,
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I remember, well back up real quick at the end of the release of
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The Slim Shady the Eminem Show, right, I remember reading about Eminem talking
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about this album where it was almost like a funeral. Him and litl Wayne
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were saying the same thing, like, yeah, we're gonna have like this
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funeral album, you know, or death album, which seems like that's the
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idea he's going for now. But going back to the timeline eminem for the
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most part, with like relapse and recovery and renaissance or whatever. I don't
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know, you know, it's like hit or miss. And I remember he
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had that one Whack Joint where he was kind of going at Trump and it
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was just garbage, to be honest, like like literally his worst album,
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probably worse than that final Curtain Call, that's what it's called. Better than
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that curtain called Joint, Well not better. Curtain Call was probably better,
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even though at that time it just felt like the formula had been overdone.
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Then he released Kamakazie kind of as a response to people calling his album Whack
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the political album Whack. Kamakazi was dope, But honestly, he didn't really
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have any real replay value because it was really like him displaying bars all crazy
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and in the moment I was kind of like, yeah, that's what we
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talk about, you know, am his back, and it just didn't really
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have the replay value that I thought it would. Then he announced the Marshall
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Madviis two and I was like, well, yeah, here we go,
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because Marshall Madvis is one of his best albums, if not his best album,
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and it wasn't it Like I think, all I remember is like rap
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gods being dope. In the video for it was dope, especially when third
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verse where he kind of got crazy with the bars and he started levitating like
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he's reaching another level of MCing. I just thought that was really dope.
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And then I think the last project he had was Music to Murder By,
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which I really liked because I felt like, similar to Nas, Yeah,
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they mowing the lawn and it's just all and I hope, yeah I can't,
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but y'all won't get this lawn noise. I remember liking that joint,
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and I think they did a deluxe which added some more songs I liked,
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and I remember it was similar to how I felt about Nas when he released
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Life Is Good. Like when he released Life Is Good, I was like,
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this is where Nas need to be at this stage in his life,
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at this age, This is the kind of music he should try to achieve.
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Don't worry about who wants you to make Illmatic Part seventeen or people who
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were stuck in nostalgia. Make this like And he did that with his hit
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Boy Run. He continued that, and that's why I worked because it's perfect
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for nas. Now. I feel the same way with Eminem. Music to
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Murder By was like a perfect pocket between all the things he's done right,
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the slim Shady stuff, you know, Eminem inspiration records, even though Recovery
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that's I can't listen to that no more. Like it was cool at the
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time, but now ah, But I feel like the death of slim Shady
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is setting up some expectations that I don't know if he'll be able to capture.
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As an Eminem fan, I'm good if Music to murder Bib was his
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last project. The death of slim Shady makes me feel like, Wow,
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I like slim Shady. Slim slim Shady was my introduction to Eminem now,
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and I'm not talking about those singles, even though Guilty Conscience slim Shady was
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dope like songs like brain Damage and all of that. Like slim Shady is
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probably I probably prefer the slim Shady person more than the Eminem persona right,
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So I don't know exactly what that means. If it's heavy on the comedy
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side, then I kind of like that, you know what I'm saying.
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Because I wouldn't mind, because honestly, again, one of the reasons why
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I liked him back in the days was because he added a certain level of
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variety to the game along with his skill, along with Doctor dre beats.
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So I'm just hoping that the vibe is more as far as the music,
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it's more in line with music to murder By than trying to come up with
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this really convoluted idea campaign just to have a bunch of songs. I'm gonna
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skip, well, I skipped them. I don't know. I know one
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thing, and this is related before we move on on Royster five Nuns.
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I think bar Exam four. I think it was bar Exam four. He
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had this dope ass record on there that I think it had Black Thought on
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that joint, and I just remember it. It was crazy. Royce was
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crazy on there. I think Black Thought was crazy. And then at the
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end they were almost teasing Eminem feature on it, but that joint never came
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out, and I just thought, like, damn, the way this beat
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is, the way Royce is rhymen, the way Black Thought is rhymen.
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It'd be perfect to have Eminem on there too, because you know, one
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thing, about eminem When it comes to spitting amongst the greats and the spinners,
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he usually gets busy with it. We shall see, but I doubt
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it because that was so long ago that it never hit a Royce album and
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I don't who knows, maybe they couldn't play the sample or something like that,
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but song was crazy. So there you have it. So if you
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don't know, there's a long standing battle that we've covered on this podcast recently
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that was sparked by Metro Booming in Future and most notably Kendrick Lamar on a
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song called Like That where Kendrick Lamar just went at J Cole and Drake.
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J Cole responds with a record called seven Minute Drill Winds Up, apologizing to
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Kendrick and removing it from his project Mike Delete Later, which is ironic,
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and then Drake responded with the record called I Believe Push Ups that not only
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addresses Kendrick but several other people who were going at him, included Rickross.
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Ricross responds within two hours of it dropping, and the most notable thing about
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Rick Ross's this, besides the fact that he has a video now for it,
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is how he's talking at the end and talking about Drake got a know
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his job, and he sent a cease Insists to French Montana for a song
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that actually that song sounded really dope, but who knows a lot of seas
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and desists and BBL. Drake was trending. So there's a lot of back
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and forth on line. And then Drake is like constantly picking and poking at
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Kendrick, who hasn't said anything yet about responding, you know, trying to
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poke at him and get him to come out, you know, to get
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this battle going. And I think him being overly anxious and maybe a little
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nervous energy, you know, because sometimes you do things and you don't think,
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like we're talking about right now. So it releases a song that features
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a versions of Tupac and Snoop, and of course Drake rhymes at the end,
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and it caused this kind of split between the Drake stands, because I'm
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a Drake fan, but I'm not a stand the Drake stands who came up
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with all these convoluted reasons why it was dope and what he was trying to
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do, like just over explaining something that doesn't really need an explanation. Typically,
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when you got to over explain it and without being without your explanation being
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solicited by anybody. Typically you feel you feel the opposite of what you may
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say. You may not hate it, but you're coming up with reasons why
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others should love it and why it's his genius when everybody's a genius, why
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it's a genius move? Well, Snoop responded with a video that was kind
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of like huh what who what what and ones that that seemed kind of shape,
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you know, not towards Kendrick, but maybe like Snoop is hiding something,
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you know what, I'm saying something he know whatever, which would be
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dope sidebark. Kendrick responds, but got Snoop talking at the real Snoop talking
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at that, and that would be crazy. But Tupac's state threatened Drake with
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a lawsuit, and mainly because they felt like, you know, for one,
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using Tupac's voice, his likeness is his voice, and his estate owns
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it. It doesn't matter if you use the tool you used his voice.
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Because I said this before my podcast, how this works with using AI.
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You have to get an acapella sample of the real person's voice and put it
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in the software and then give them lyrics and a flow, right, That's
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kind of what was done. So the AI Tupac and the AI Snoop,
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they actually their flows were more like Drake's flow, and we could see what
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he was trying to do there from a competitive standpoint, because if people are
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wondering, well, what's the connection besides West Coast with Kendrick. More specifically,
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when it comes to Tupac on Bimper Butterfly, there's a skit at the
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end that features Tupac and Kendrick talking to one another. Now, obviously that
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was the case where it was not AI. It was I guess tde getting
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permission for Kendrick to use these interview clips of Tupac, and he basically crafted
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the conversation around what Tupac was saying, and it was more so like a
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love letter to Tupac, but he's having this conversation with him. It felt
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more like paying homage to the big homie, right, And obviously that's probably
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why they granted the estate granted him access or the permission to use it.
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As Drake, it's some internet stuff, and there was a whole bunch of
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oh yo if, but it's a mixtape. It wasn't like it was on
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you know, Apple Music or spotifyle like iTunes, only he was selling it.
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But I'm gonna stop you right there. You can't. His voice is
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Copyrd Tupac's voice. It is a part of his IP, it's a part
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of his identity. It doesn't matter if you or I put the lyrics to
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it. You're using his voice, and his estate owns his voice. And
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not only that, you're posting it to platforms who also do not have permission
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to use it, right And I don't think they were ever going to sue
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Drake, but they needed to let it be known in anybody's case, not
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just Drake, in anybody's case. You can't do that, especially as a
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part of a disk record, when Tupac is not here to pick a side,
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right like he's not. Now, Drake has since pulled the song down
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from his IG account. I think that's where it was and whatever social media
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platforms, which makes sense. It's really not that big of a deal.
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But Drake should understand that right now. And I believe I just did this
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story like two or three episodes back of artists trying to get a law passed.
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So this kind of thing can happen, and not just with It's not
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all about Drake. He's just a high profile person who used it irresponsibly.
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If there's anybody who should know, it's him because you got side dudes out
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here making full blown albums with his voice on it. And he knows what
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a season desist is because he used it with French Montana they combed the internet.
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When you try to use even a beat for one of his albums,
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you going down. So he should have known better. I thought it was
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irresponsible, just based off the fact that Tupac, in my head, he
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doesn't have a dog in this fight, and considering that he was murdered at
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a very young age based off of something that had nothing really to do with
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rap. But that's not how the collective mind share of hip hop things.
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They think East versus West. It just was done in poor taste and I'm
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glad he took it down. Should have never came out. Now. What
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he should have done is take those lyrics and just spit them yourself, not
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from Tupac's perspective, because it could come across corny if you don't do it
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right right, like if you're trying to imitate Tupac or imitate Snoop. It
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could come across kind of corny. But if you address what you think Pac
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would say within your own bars, or you know, letting Snoop down,
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then that's different, you know, and that's a little bit different. Again,
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the beat was firing, but at the same time he kind of fumbled.
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And now with Kendrick Lamar being very quiet and no, he don't have
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forty eight hours. We know y'all want to stay online and argue with each
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other all day every day, y'all like Kendrick where you at, and you're
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trying to give him the l the history of hip hop, Not everybody's dropping
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something right away. Sometimes you gotta wait. Oftentimes you might get an album
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with it. And honestly, I think that's what's gonna happen. I don't
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think at this point so much has happened between when Kendrick did that verse and
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now that. I think in a lot of ways, it's just giving him
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more to talk about because now that Drake song or this record has backfired in
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a lot of ways because you thought you was you know, you thought you
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was hot, Like Yo, I'm gonna getac Ai Tupac say this, I'm
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gonna get AI snooped to say that, and then Tupacs of State was like,
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hold up, shorty, take that down. That's just more AMMO,
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right, And two things before I move on that I kind of agree with,
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And it's not necessarily everybody knows that Kendrick is one of my face and
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this battle should happened a long time ago when the control stuff came out,
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but or he wasn't. He wasn't with the smoke back then like he is
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now. But we've seen that happen before when you think somebody fell off,
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and you know things happened. But two people who I agree with, who
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made great points, just so just off the scope of battle, rap Rosenberg
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said something that I was feeling. I just didn't articulate. But it made
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Drake seem really desperate fun answer and almost nervous for what the response would be.
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And he tried, I'm mad at this bar. He tried to do
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basically a back to back situation, uh, and then backfired, and it
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made him look like he's desperate for Kendrick to say something. Now a lot
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of people will say, yo, he dropped the old Kendrick don't want to
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smoke. I don't know some people. Some people don't move in ways that
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are obvious, so when they do decide to strike, you won't see it
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coming in. That's the thing that hebro said. Also about Kendrick. If
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you look at how much j coo to a lesser extent and Drake with the
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subliminals and we this and we that and a lot of shots and another number
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one and goat talk, and it didn't do as much as once. Subliminal
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stuff didn't do as much as when the like that joint came at came out
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and Kendrick was talking directly to them. Everything was in a frenzy as a
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result, and the controllvers did the same thing. And why because that the
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energy of battle rap when you when you cut, you know, you cut
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the strings and be like you know what, blah blah blah, say what
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you say, but we're talking to you like then it's on. It's the
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same thing when when jay Z said acts nas he don't want to well hold
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it was like now it's a discussion. It it's just a lot of like
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you want to say, okay, well things are different. Maybe Kendrick needed
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to respond, but I honestly don't think he's going to do anything without a
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real plan to end the battle like and I think that's what Drake's afraid of
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in some ways. Now Drake stands will tell you, you know, battle
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over Drake won because he put out some raps and I don't think he's put
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out anything on a level of that duppy freestyle he put out towards Push of
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Teeth that was hot and that was a straight like Kendrick, you need to
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or push a t you need to respond. I don't think any of these
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Drake this is is so crazy. I think it just even things out.
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And remember these are songs versus a verse by Kendrick, so we'll see.
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I truly expect him to address it, but I think it's going to come
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on a new project and I don't think that's happening no time soon. I
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think it's happening this year. I just don't know when. And considering the
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frenzy from the Control verse and now the frenzy from the Light That Verse,
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whenever he drops it, you could say, yo, six months is too
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late, but when it drops, it's going to be a frenzy again.
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And we just need to get the AI stuff out of it because it's really
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it's really tainting the situations, kind of making it corny in a lot of
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ways. And I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, they just all
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show up on Kendrick's album like we Family and that's it. I doubt it,
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but you know, because they know future in them saying don't trust them.
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What do you think about that the whole AI thing? Did you like
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that song? You know, I feel the way I feel, but some
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people like it, So leave your comments in the comment section below. And
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lastly, so coming fresh off of a episode commemorating the thirtieth anniversary of nazis
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Ellmatic, to check out that episode. I did a lot around that album
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because of some personal connections. But when you think about nineteen ninety four,
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there's a lot of heat that's celebrating thirty years, including Outcast's debut album,
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Southern Playlistic Cadillac Folk Music Drop in nineteen ninety four, and I remember the
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first time I was even introduced to Outcast was the video for Southern Playlistic.
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It was the video for that joint and I just remember, for one,
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loving to beat instantly, but also loving how Andre and Big Boy had more
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technical style, like more of a technical wordplay kind of style with the double
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time and all that, because you know, there was there was a lot
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of like West Coast artists I would listen to who you know, it wasn't
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really about bars and techniques like that. And even on some on the Southern
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side, you know, that was mostly a vibe and a type of music.
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But here we had outcasts with some of that same vibe, but also
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they could spit, and I think that's what attracted me to them. And
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I remember, you know, when this album dropped, I didn't get it
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right away because I was younger and I just didn't have money all the time.
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Yet I know some of y'all dudes bought everything back then, and you
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know, respect to your parents or whoever, you know, whatever you was
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doing to be able to buy every album back then. But I know me,
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the further you go back, the more I had to be in the
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record store, like I can only get one and a month later I can
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come back and get you you know what I'm saying. So I wound up
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getting Southern Playlistic a little bit later that year, and I just remember,
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I won't have that, that's one of them. Man, that's one of
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the joyses gone. But I remember hearing the album and it was just so
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different from a lot of the New York West Coast style of music, not
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just New York and West Coast, but you know, just the East Coast
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region that includes New York obviously in New Jersey, but also West Coast,
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and I just remember it being different, and I think that's what I liked
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about it. And when I liked that part of it being different, the
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name of the group resonated with me as well, because it was like,
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yo, that's a dope. That's a dope hip hop name Outcasts, And
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I believe one of the skits on the album, I think it's a joint
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called true Dad, basically tells you why their name is Outcasts. So it
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was just really dope that had this new group that had a concept, and
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they seem unconventional for the region, even though you know nowadays you can find
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many, you know, many artists influenced by Outcasts, but I felt like
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at that time I had not heard music and hip hop like that, along
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with the way they were rhymen. Now, for those who don't know,
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maybe you're younger or whatever, and you like Outcasts. That was probably the
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only album where Big Boy and Andre three thousand styles were very similar, you
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know it. They were very similar in the way they rhyme and what they
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talked about, Like this album talks heavy about weed, like it was almost
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like every song is a weed song in some way. But it's not until
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at Aliens when Andre started to experiment with different styles, And I think I
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like that version of Outcast better because not only did Big Boy become better at
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what he does, Andre three thousand changed his style in a way that complemented
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his partner, so they always sound really good together because big Boy kind of
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kept those roots a Southern playlistic while experimenting with new stuff as far as musically,
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and Andre three thousand was kind of like, this is what Outcasts sounds
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like. Going forward, we're going to be even more outcast. So it
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was pretty dope listening to that album back in ninety four. Some of my
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favorite joints on here obviously is the title track, but also players Ball,
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which I really like claiming true. I like get up and get out,
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get something like that joint crumbling herb Hoodie who Like, I really dug the
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fact that this album was really different. And one of the things about me
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as a hip hop fan that you know, when you look at hip hop
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Twitter and the discussions or whatever that happened, I never really looked to see
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where you were from first and then listen to you and kind of decide whether
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I like you based off of where you're from. I always looked at it
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like, this group is dope. When I first saw that video, I
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didn't know where they were from. Obviously they had accents, but I didn't
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know where they were from for the most part. Until you know, you
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catch little things here and then Atlanta Braves Jersey I think Andre had on.
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Then you see yourself, oh okay, they're from Atlanta. But that's never
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a prerequisite for me liking music. That's what I don't understand about some of
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you guys on social media, you hip hop cats, where you kind of
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lead with where somebody's from before you start talking about how dope they are.
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To me, it don't matter where you're from. If you nice, you
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nice. If the music's dope, it's dope. And what the Dungeon family
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obviously went on to do Organized Noise providing the soundtrack. Also, you know,
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a big boy outcasts in general also doing some of the beasts. It
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was just it was just a dope way to watch hip hop grow at a
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time where it still was relatively young, because we talking thirty years ago.
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While that means hip hop was only two not that far removed from the days
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of Curtis Blow and Run, DMC and rock Him and all of that.
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It was just a new generation a hip hop artist that included NAS and everybody
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else that was just showing hip hop is, you know, moving along into
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its thirties and you're a little bit more mature. Like twenties you may still
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be a little reckless. The thirties you're a little bit more mature, and
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you could tell. That's why the lyrics from that era of the nineties was
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just so potent from most mcs. So there you have it, but really
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quick, just want to say rest in peace to we go away. You
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know, one of the architects of the Dungeon family sound out of Atlanta doesn't
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get talked about enough. The Dungeon not that do but organized Noise just doesn't
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get mentioned a lot all enough when you talk about some of the best producers
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in hip hop history. And I know sometimes I forget myself, but rest
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in peace to that brother. What did you think about Southern playlistic Cadillac funker
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music when you first heard it? Where you are an outcast fan from day
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one? Did you come aboard when you heard Elevators on at Aliens or somewhere
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some other song down the line? Leave your comments in a comments section below.
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I love to chop it up, and that's gonna do it for this
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episode. Also, I just need y'all to know that I did an episode
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of this podcast this week, ranking Ray Kwan albums. Ray Kwon doesn't have
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many albums, but he has a couple of albums that people have just never
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heard before because they love Cuban Lank and they heard Cuban Link too, and
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they probably never really checked for the others. So I ranked the joints,
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give a little context on Ray Kwan's career from the perspective of a fan,
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and I like it. It was pretty pretty dope power it turned out.
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So definitely check that out on this channel, hit subscribe it, like comment,
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but most importantly share it with people you know enjoy this kind of content.
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Until next time, y'all. I'm not a critic I'm a fan Peace,