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Why did women ever leave the kitchen? | Rantzerker 237 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: On coming to you live from deep within an icy
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  Speaker 1: against the froggy lobsters zombie hordes with why did women
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  Speaker 1: ever leave the kitchen? Ran Zerker number two thirty seven.
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  Speaker 1: As always, I am your host, well actually no, not
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  Speaker 1: as always. Well today I am your host and with
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  Speaker 1: me is Brian and Hannah as hello everyone, and also Manifestel,
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  Speaker 1: our very very own favorite person to respond to. And
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  Speaker 1: I am deep, deep, deep into Migrain. And that is
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  Speaker 1: even before we've started to respond to manifestl. So it's
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  Speaker 1: and do that so that we can continue to bring
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  Speaker 1: you this very delectable content. I see manifestel as attempting
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  Speaker 1: a smile. An attempt was made, but you know, it
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  Speaker 1: definitely stops somewhere below her nose.
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  Speaker 2: But there was this comedian that was very popular when
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  Speaker 2: when we were younger, Brett Butler, who did a sketch
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  Speaker 2: talking about this lady she ran into that that looked
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  Speaker 2: at her furrowed brow one day and said, I see
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  Speaker 2: if I can do this, you know, you can get
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  Speaker 2: that snipped and like she she made this face, but
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  Speaker 2: it was I always wonder when somebody makes an expression
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  Speaker 2: in there there's no is she really smiling or is
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  Speaker 2: she faking it?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously she's faking it because it's not it's not hitting
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  Speaker 1: her eyes. Yeah yeah, and that's uh, that's why it
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  Speaker 1: looks so creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, or else she's really really stoned, because I have
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  Speaker 2: seen stoner's smile like that when they think something so
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  Speaker 2: like and they just can't get their eyes to catch up.
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  Speaker 2: Actually you do.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever watched The Never Ending Story? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is really the racing you were thinking of, the
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  Speaker 1: racing snail a little bit, got a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: racing snail in their eyes, not catching up with the mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is so so that's that's the theory.
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  Speaker 2: Either she doesn't mean it or she's very stoned.
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  Speaker 3: Mmm.
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  Speaker 1: So everybody can thank Richard Beer because he made the
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  Speaker 1: request for some more Manifestel. But of course, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Manifestel is sort of like putting the getting the bulk
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  Speaker 1: of a lot of women again. She has a quarter
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  Speaker 1: of a million subscribers. It's i If anything, some of
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  Speaker 1: the larger female dating strategy streamers are even even worse,
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  Speaker 1: like Shira Oh my god, oh good lord. So, uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're back with Manifestel, possibly because you know, sometimes she
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  Speaker 1: has things that are interesting. I don't want to say
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  Speaker 1: that she says interesting things, but sometimes the things that
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  Speaker 1: come up out of her mouth are really revealing. And
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  Speaker 1: so we're gonna we're gonna take another look at her.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So, Brian, do we want to start with
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  Speaker 1: the first time code or do you have anything you
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  Speaker 1: would like to do?
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  Speaker 4: Run away, be done with this, good night, everybody. No,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'll I'll just play the introduction. So this
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  Speaker 4: video was called lazy girl Jobs. I'm just a girl
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  Speaker 4: and quiet quitting mm hmm. And let's get let's get
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  Speaker 4: into the beginning. I think you know how this starts off.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, welcome to the Spoiled Curly support Group
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  Speaker 3: podcast where we talk about how to get that bag
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  Speaker 3: while also securing your own bag. I'm your hostel, and
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  Speaker 3: let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: I just like this episode we point something out mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Every single person, every single woman who listens to her
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  Speaker 1: vice is never going to get anywhere near any bag
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  Speaker 1: but her own. I think, well, well, but then again,
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  Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of a whole bunch of men
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  Speaker 1: out there who are but even them, like the truly,
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  Speaker 1: the truly uber simp men they themselves have now I
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  Speaker 1: think competition with women. So you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I think that.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think even if you want to be
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  Speaker 1: a spoilt girly Manifestella really isn't showing you the golden
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  Speaker 1: path to doing that.
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  Speaker 2: But I've run into enough FDS chicks some of them
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  Speaker 2: are bags. I don't I really don't think like it.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like looking to a uh not a rock star,
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  Speaker 2: but something close to a rock star to tell you
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  Speaker 2: how to have a career in music, like there has
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  Speaker 2: been some one who has had some good fortune and
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  Speaker 2: jokes aside about you know, she doesn't look like she's
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  Speaker 2: genuine at smiling, and she's messed up her eyebrows, but
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  Speaker 2: she's got enough symmetry in her face to be considered
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  Speaker 2: highly attractive, right, And that probably doesn't describe most of
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  Speaker 2: the gals that I've actually had the misfortune of seeing
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  Speaker 2: from FDS. They're usually much more middle aged and bitter looking. Honestly, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she does have the ability.
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  Speaker 1: She's got a good hand with makeup now, and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I imagine and that again, you're right, this is
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  Speaker 1: she's probably representing the top one percent of her own audience,
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  Speaker 1: which doesn't necessarily mean the top one percent of women.
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  Speaker 1: There's probably the bottom one percent of the top twenty
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  Speaker 1: percent of women. But anyway, let's let's push on. Let's
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  Speaker 1: let's get away from necessarily her success her looks. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get into what she actually has to say.
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  Speaker 4: You want to jump ahead then, or you want to
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  Speaker 4: hear the intro.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we'll hear the intro.
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  Speaker 5: He's only gotten.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, let's let's listen to what she's what she's proposing.
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  Speaker 3: Talking about lazy girl jobs, pink collar jobs, the I'm
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  Speaker 3: just a girl trend, the good, the bad, and the
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  Speaker 3: nu once. Especially with the lazy girl job trend. I've
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  Speaker 3: been hearing it for a while now, and while I
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  Speaker 3: do see the appeal, there's certain things about it that
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  Speaker 3: we need to be careful with on a personal and
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  Speaker 3: societal level, and we're going to talk about those things today.
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  Speaker 3: Now we have a lot to cover. But before we
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  Speaker 3: get into it, I used to hit thele like subsprien.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, let me just jump ahead. She does all right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she also has like a like a sponsor or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Shipping her sponsor. Well, I mean, you know, going chat yo,
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  Speaker 5: what's up? Okay, it looks like the internet's coming back.
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  Speaker 5: It looks like it dipped a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Again.
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  Speaker 4: I did I did I drop? I mean, you both
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  Speaker 4: left the room, but I wasn't sure.
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  Speaker 2: It dropped each other.
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  Speaker 1: We could see each other, so I think you might
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  Speaker 1: have dropped, Brian. But regardless, you know, technical difficulties with
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  Speaker 1: the Badgers. Let's keep going. I'm we're just trying to
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  Speaker 1: do too much or or like could be but anyway,
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  Speaker 1: let's keep going.
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  Speaker 3: All right, real social media.
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  Speaker 6: Trend the Internet, the Internet, and it was like it's
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  Speaker 6: coming back on now, okay, you guys are Yeah, I'm back.
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  Speaker 5: I I didn't do anything like it just sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of just dropped us from Yeah it's split the chat.
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  Speaker 2: That's weird.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah weird. Yeah, we're back.
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  Speaker 4: I mean like, I'm like, I'm running it, and it's
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  Speaker 4: like I I see that the frames are going fine,
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  Speaker 4: ten thousand killobytes per second are streaming, and then it'll
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  Speaker 4: like drop to zero suddenly, like when I'm watching the video.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's because of that, and then
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  Speaker 4: it'll come back up. So I'm just gonna watch it
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  Speaker 4: and see if it happens again. So last thing she
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  Speaker 4: was saying is that lazy girl jobs, another way of
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  Speaker 4: describing them, is essentially work life balance, and she's explained
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  Speaker 4: that lazy girl jobs are have come, they have good
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  Speaker 4: they basically pay well, but don't ask a lot of women.
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  Speaker 5: And that's really what it is. That's really what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get going.
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  Speaker 5: It's like a day in the life at Google or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: It's like those jobs, right, So all right, let's play some.
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  Speaker 3: Volume of output and a positive work environment and culture
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  Speaker 3: that promotes slow living and prioritize employee well being. And
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  Speaker 3: some examples of these jobs are virtual assistants, social media managers,
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  Speaker 3: freelance writers, online tutors, and graphic designers.
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  Speaker 1: And manifestel It's got some really bad news. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of those jobs are probably not going to exist in
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  Speaker 1: five years. And also, what the hell is she wanting? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell is she talking about graphic designer being
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  Speaker 1: an easy job? What kind of graphic designers do you?
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  Speaker 1: Are you talking about? Graphic design is an incredibly high
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  Speaker 1: pressure job unless you're you're actually talking about you took
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  Speaker 1: a college course in design principles, you did one like semester,
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  Speaker 1: and now you call yourself a graphic designer because graphic
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  Speaker 1: design is not an not a design a job where
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  Speaker 1: it's good life work life balance, like most of most
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  Speaker 1: of the professional arts. I don't know where she's getting
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  Speaker 1: her information, but most of the professional arts, like architects,
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  Speaker 1: graphic designers, interior, that's hard work and it's now being
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  Speaker 1: pressed by AI in a lot of cases. So what
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  Speaker 1: the heck is she on? Honestly, I would I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that these so called spoilt girly jobs, which, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, what makes her think that she's or any
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  Speaker 1: of the women watching this are entitled jobs like that?
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  Speaker 1: Those are jobs where you're basically exploiting your employer or alternatively,
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  Speaker 1: your employer has a whole bunch of blackrock DEI money
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  Speaker 1: and can just throw it around like water. Well, do
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  Speaker 1: you really think that that's going to continue to exist
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  Speaker 1: as AI takes over and as the cultural climate changes
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  Speaker 1: against wasting money like this? Like seriously anyway, but I
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  Speaker 1: think she's flawed in her reasoning, But let's continue.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, she presumes that the market for these
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  Speaker 4: jobs are just something that will always exist and so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and it's also something that like I guess every woman
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  Speaker 4: should have, like like there should just be a position
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  Speaker 4: open for all women.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I know, I'm just got in my head.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going back through the list of jobs that I've
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  Speaker 2: done because I have that habit. I'm not really into
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  Speaker 2: the whole lazy girl job thing. I do usually two jobs,
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  Speaker 2: often three, and I have been I've been a newspaper photographer.
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  Speaker 2: I've done layout and design in the back of the newspaper.
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  Speaker 2: I've even done paper stuffing in the basement of the
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  Speaker 2: newspaper where you put the ads in. I've done a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of writing professionally, not very much. But in
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  Speaker 2: addition to all of that, and retail and being a
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  Speaker 2: nurse's aide and working in a bakery and working for
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  Speaker 2: a short time at radio shack a few other places,
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  Speaker 2: I was a security guard. That's probably the closest thing
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  Speaker 2: to a lazy job that I've ever had, because you
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  Speaker 2: have large segments of downtime in that job and you're
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  Speaker 2: really not doing anything but occupying space. And it's not
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  Speaker 2: always like that, Like there's sometimes where you're on guard
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  Speaker 2: the whole time, and then there's other assignments you can
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  Speaker 2: get where you're basically just sitting in a guard shack
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  Speaker 2: waiting for people to come by that you have to
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  Speaker 2: verify or tell to go away, and you don't even
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  Speaker 2: have to make them leave, you call the police. So
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't know what a lazy job is, and it
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  Speaker 2: might be that she's never had a real job. I
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  Speaker 2: just I kind of get the impression, and like, because
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  Speaker 2: if you have any other job, your employer expects you
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  Speaker 2: to produce results, and usually if there's a product or
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  Speaker 2: a service being done. Your employer expects that to be
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  Speaker 2: consistently done, worked on throughout your entire shift or throughout
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  Speaker 2: your entire workday. However, that goes and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times there's overtime, you know. So this idea of lazy
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  Speaker 2: girl jobs. You don't hear very much about lazy guy jobs, right, No, because.
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  Speaker 5: Well that's not allowed.
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  Speaker 2: When men go to work, they're expected to work, and
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  Speaker 2: if they don't work, they get fired. Right When women
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  Speaker 2: go to work, they want to sit at a desk
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  Speaker 2: and paint their fingernails, like the stereotype, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: personal assistant secretary sitting out in front of her boss's
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  Speaker 2: office that won't answer the phone. And that's part of
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  Speaker 2: the reason that women get paid less, because women look
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  Speaker 2: for things like lazy girl jobs, or they try to
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  Speaker 2: turn jobs into lazy girl jobs that aren't.
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  Speaker 1: Hm, well, I was going to say something. I think also,
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  Speaker 1: there's something inherently different in the way men and women work,
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  Speaker 1: and this is something we discovered during Koof of course,
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  Speaker 1: they framed it in terms of women being oppressed, but
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting what it revealed. Men focus very very
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  Speaker 1: like pinpoint focus on their job. So even when they're
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  Speaker 1: at home. You know, they start their job at nine,
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  Speaker 1: they focus on their job until they clock out at five,
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  Speaker 1: and they are doing their job. And what they found
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  Speaker 1: is that women, by way of contrast, when they do
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  Speaker 1: the job, they're actually so called multitasking, which is basically
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  Speaker 1: taking the time that they're being paid and doing their
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  Speaker 1: own chores. Now, the way that they framed it was
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  Speaker 1: that women do this because they know they have to
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  Speaker 1: do it after work anyway. But still that's that's not
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  Speaker 1: actually an excuse, right, you should be when you're on
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  Speaker 1: the clock, working and doing your work. So that's what
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  Speaker 1: they found, and so there's I think there's an inherent
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  Speaker 1: difference between men and women. Women do not focus as
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  Speaker 1: absolutely on the job as men do, whereas men very
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  Speaker 1: much focus on the job that they're doing. And so
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  Speaker 1: I think there's also an inherent difference. Men actually may
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  Speaker 1: be drawn to jobs that are more require more intensive
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  Speaker 1: focus and it would be considered a lazy job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you also find that they're more likely to look
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  Speaker 2: for jobs that based on how much the job pays,
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  Speaker 2: because they're having to support their themselves and possibly a family,
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  Speaker 2: whereas women don't even always have to support themselves much
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  Speaker 2: less a family, so there's more tolerance for it, and
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  Speaker 2: there's more of the behavior among females, and then they
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  Speaker 2: have a different attitude toward what constitutes work too. And
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  Speaker 2: there's there's a study one of my one of my
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  Speaker 2: ex connections posts this on a regular basis that showed
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  Speaker 2: that when it comes to housework, men and women will
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  Speaker 2: report the same task that takes the same amount of
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  Speaker 2: time differently. If it is, say laundry, where you put
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  Speaker 2: the laundry in the washer, you set the machine doing
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  Speaker 2: the task, and then you walk away from the machine,
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  Speaker 2: and an hour later it's done, and you come back
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  Speaker 2: and you get the laundry out, you transfer to the dryer.
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  Speaker 2: Women will count that as an hour doing laundry. Men
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  Speaker 2: will count that as however long it took to get
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  Speaker 2: the machine started. And while that's going on, they'll go
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  Speaker 2: do their dishes, or they'll do you know, like if
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  Speaker 2: there's laundry to be folded, or they'll do vacuuming or
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  Speaker 2: other tasks. And women don't necessarily they'll sit there and
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  Speaker 2: watch TV, play on their phone, you know, do their hobby,
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  Speaker 2: read a book, and as each task gets completed, you know,
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  Speaker 2: then they go on to the next task, and so
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  Speaker 2: they'll count something, you know, like a, oh, I did
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  Speaker 2: eight hours worth of work, and men might count that
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  Speaker 2: as an hour to two hours worth of work. So
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  Speaker 2: when we see those surveys where women say they do
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  Speaker 2: more housework than men, they're talking about the same housework.
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  Speaker 2: They're just counting all of their downtime as how you work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's really uh. And instead of actually trying
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  Speaker 1: to teach women to overcome issues like this, issues of
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  Speaker 1: how men and women view work differently, and also issues
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  Speaker 1: of women's greater tendency towards focusing on on fairness quote unquote,
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  Speaker 1: instead of actually addressing we just indulge it to our
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  Speaker 1: own detriment. But yeah, so she probably has no idea
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  Speaker 1: what real work is. And I mean, I'm saying that
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  Speaker 1: as somebody who has only really found success as an
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  Speaker 1: entrepreneur just because I guess I'm just so weird. But yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 1: but I was actually thinking about this a while back,
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  Speaker 1: and I realized when I was watching myself that I
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  Speaker 1: honestly have to say, Okay, I'm going to take this
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  Speaker 1: as an hour off because otherwise I am you know,
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  Speaker 1: doing something, trying to research something, or doing something on
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  Speaker 1: Twitter responding to people, which I've now turned into content,
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  Speaker 1: or I am working on a podcast or so, or
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  Speaker 1: working on my writing. So it's like my day from
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  Speaker 1: the time I get up to the time I go
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  Speaker 1: to bed, I'm always doing a task. And it's because
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  Speaker 1: once I stop, I feel like I am a failure,
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  Speaker 1: which is probably not the best way to approach life.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so anyway, like one on the one hand, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm an entrepreneur. I sort of set my own hours,
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  Speaker 1: but it's almost become like, well, setting your own hours
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  Speaker 1: is what you get to decide.
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  Speaker 2: To do first. And yeah, people people think when you're
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  Speaker 2: in charge you get away with a lot of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but really it means you work harder.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you're doing it right anyway, Yeah, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: let us let us do a bit more there. Brian
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  Speaker 1: all Right.
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  Speaker 3: Prize that lazy girl jobs are quickly gaining popularity and
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  Speaker 3: acceptance in the modern day work landscape. In fact, the
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  Speaker 3: hashtag lazy girl job has over eighteen million hits on
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  Speaker 3: TikTok alone. Although the term lazy girl job is new,
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  Speaker 3: these types of low effort jobs have existed way before
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  Speaker 3: the Internet decided to put a label on it. Lynn Attier,
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  Speaker 3: founder and CEO of recruiting from Bimana Shares as a recruiter,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: I think I'm going to jump ahead so because she's
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: just explaining what they are, but I want to jump
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: to lazy girl jobs as a path to financial independence
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: at about it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I want to te minutes, okay, But before we do that,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I just want to put something out there because I've
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: been sort of I have a whole bunch of meeting
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: articles and things that I follow and one of the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: things that I followed is a job recruiter and he
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: has been describing the landscape, and I don't think that honestly,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I think that employers at this point, if they if
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: this woman who is some kind of consultant for the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Lazy job, if employers actually know that she's represented you,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I'd imagine they'd avoid you at this point, because the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: work landscape now is getting harder and harder for job seekers,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and it's to the point where apparently it's making even
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the people who are interviewing job seekers stressed out, because yeah,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: like the whole dating landscape is now almost a reflect
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: like the job seeking landscape is almost a reflection of
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the dating landscape. Now it's it's just as as difficult.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: We had a couple of weird things going on that
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: are contributing to that. There's a significant difference, like I
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: would even call it a distance in work ethic between
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: baby boomers and Gen X, and then between Gen X
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and millennials, and then again between millennials and Zoomers. And
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: you have people from each generation that are abnormal. So
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: they're either they either have a far better worth work
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: ethic or a far worse work ethics. So they may
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: be like as if they were in the generation before
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: theirs or the generation after theirs. But it's pretty consistent
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: that each generation when they when they start a job,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: they are not doing the work that the generation before
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: them did. And they're not they don't necessarily understand how.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And and it's as simple as when we've talked about
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: it on on HBr talk. I give the example of
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the girl that I worked with that didn't know how
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to use the mop and the mop bucket, and she
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: thought that not knowing how to do things would get
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: her out of tasks, so she really leaned into not
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: knowing how to do it. And when people try to
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: explain explain it to her, She really leaned into not
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: getting it to the degree that I got frustrated and
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: told her she just wasn't moving the rolling bucket fast
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: enough so that she yanked it back and splashed her
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: pants with it, because I got really annoyed. But I
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: mean she did it to the degree that she took
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: a sink drain plug and a zink stopper and put
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it plug up and basket down and said, why isn't
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the water staying in the sink. You see that a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: lot with this intergenerational difference, and it varies in how
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: bad it is.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: But it's a big.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: It causes quite a bit, I should say, a frustration
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: between co workers, in between managers and coworkers. And then
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: as that's going on, you also have this dei thing
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: happening where if an individual is being dumped on, like
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: a coworker is dumping their work on another coworker, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: everybody knows it's happening, the complaint cannot be made. The
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: manager cannot do the criticism, the coworker cannot be guided
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to do their job. If they're female, if they're a minority,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: if there's some combination thereof if they got a special religion,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: if they make a big deal about being LGBTQ, if
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: they make a big deal about being atheist, any of that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, Oh, you're only picking on me because demographic
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and it has nothing to do with the fact that
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I've done no tasks for the last two weeks and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: my coworker is complaining about it, and it's being upheld
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: by human resources. So managers are getting disciplined for telling
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: people to do their jobs, and colleagues are getting disciplined
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: for expecting to not have to do their coworkers' jobs.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: And that dynamic between generations and between demographics and everything,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: it's making it to the point where managers are starting
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to look at people when they're trying to hire as
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: is this going to be somebody that I can mint
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: or or am I going to get in trouble for
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: mentoring this person? Does this person seem to be coming
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: in with already some knowledge of the job, how much
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: training do they need? Or am I going to be
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: able to coast and this person's going to come in
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and do the work? And I've seen that for the
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: last that last fifteen years in the various places that
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I've worked, and it hasn't just been like the low
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: rung retail and stuff like if I've seen that as
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a college professor. I've seen that in journalism. I've seen
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: that in retail, I've seen it in healthcare. It's everywhere. So, yeah,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the whole lazy thing isn't helping.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: No, it's it's actually going to be very destructive. And
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the longer that people have this as a as pursue
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: this as an option, the worse everything gets economically because
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: we need Like, honestly, the wealth people's wealth is not
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: based on how much money they have, but how productive
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: their neighbor is, you know, if you think about it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: All right, so let's let's watch a little bit morse.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: All right, here we go.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Men, we'll be able to do that as well. But
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: for right now, we have lazy girl jobs. And another
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: point in the pro lazy girl jobs bucket is women's
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: increased autonomy and expression of their desires.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: We grief.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: When you escape the toxic hustle culture and take on
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: these lazy girl jobs, you're essentially advocating for yourself. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: with the rise of remote work, which is such a
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: blessing to a lot of women, it allows women to
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: be even more flexible with how they work and when
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: they work. So with lazy girl jobs.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, so more flexible about how and when they work.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Oh good.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: So in other words, in aggregate, these women's choices is
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: going to are going to basically make the American economy
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and every other Western country that does that enables this
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: less competitive compared to other cultures with a serious worth
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: work ethic virtue.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: It's gonna depend on how it's handled, like if it
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: if it's if it's about you know, this person works
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: nine to five, this person works, you know, eight to four,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and this person works ten to six. That's one thing
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: gonna it's not gonna be a big deal in jobs
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: where you're not doing in the moment customer interactions, but
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: you're just producing content that or background for content or
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: items that don't actually get used or dealt with for
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: a day or two. But if you're like if you're
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: doing I I I at least know one person who
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: does call center work from their home. You have to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: you have to be on when people are calling. You
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: can't decide you only want to work certain hours, you know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and that so she hasn't been able to to do
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: what this woman is describing and if she puts that
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: expectation into every gal out there. Oh, if I work
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: from home and I don't want to get up until
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: four o'clock in the afternoon, I can work from you know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: four pm until you know whenever, and maybe no, maybe
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: you can't. And it's going to sabotage a lot of
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: women trying to work from home.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Actually, m yeah, well, but uh well, the thing is
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that it's actually proven that they're gonna women at least women,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: not necessarily men, but women when they work from home
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: are less productive because they do this will always work, Yeah,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: they don't always work, are often just doing things that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: are around the home or other stuff. And I would
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: say that it's looking like women just don't have the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: same kind of virtues around work as men do. Like
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: and it's not all women. There's some women who are
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: very hard working. I always have to do that caveat,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: But there seems to be a larger percentage enough that
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: it's picked up statistically that will sit on their employer's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: time and see themselves that it's okay that they're just
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: receiving resources and that itself is somehow a virtue that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: their employers just shoveling resources at them without them actually
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: doing anything to earn them. And I see that mentality
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a lot more among women, but you know, it's also
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: cropping up around I guess younger men too. But the
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to point out is that I've
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: actually heard that there are some because of me too,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: there are some male employers that have at home their
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: entire female workforce just to keep them away from the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: male workforce. And that might be an option too. I mean,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: if you want, if your company is strong enough and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: has enough revenue to just maintain the fat berg of
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: women doing almost nothing at home, then do it gets them,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: gets them away from men, so men can actually generate
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: that culture that men do around actual work and uh,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and you may actually be more efficient. It might be
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: it might be a short term solution to a lot
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of these issues, these workplace issues, a culture of gossip
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and and uh and not getting shit done, taking over
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: just you know.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Well, a culture of assuming bad intent and acting in
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: bad faith, because that is something that happens a lot
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: in the workplace with women when they start meeting people.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: You know, if a guy is facing in their general direction,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: he's looking at them, even if he's not right, if
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: somebody is laughing, they're laughing at at these women. And
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: even if they're not, if they hear half of a conversation, uh,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: it must have started out with did you know so
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and so? And it's them that it's being talked about.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: And you know, I've worked with that too, you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: like I've worked with that chick. And it's hell working
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: with that chick because you're on eggshells the whole time,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: and everybody else also on eggshells, and you snipe at
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: each other and people will throw each other under the bus,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: and it ends up being a very bad environment. Like well,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: employers are also starting to not do things like if
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: you have to counsel a female employee and you're a
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: male employer, you can't just sit her down and talk
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: to her. You have to have another person present in
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the room. If you want to have even an instructional training,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: you had to have another person there because if you're
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: alone with her, she could say anything, and if she
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't like what she's being told, even if it has
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: absolutely nothing harassing or sexual about it, just well, this
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: task isn't optional. You have to do this task when
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: you're on your shift. That alone can get a guy,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: me too. So they're not they're not working with women alone,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: and they're not mentoring like they used to. They're not
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: giving the instructions as completely, and they're not taking the
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: time with women because they don't want to put themselves
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: at risk. Well, and why would you blame them.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: No, nobody can blame them at this point. But we're
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: just seeing in real time as this. And it's funny
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: because women have been in the workplace for a long
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a fairly long time now, and yet we are now
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: seeing like the reason why women were often excluded from
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Yeah, you know, all of the bad habits
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: just being indulged.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: When we say women have been in a workplace for
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: a very long time, we're talking about middle class women
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: like women who historically haven't necessarily had to be in
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: a workplace. Upper class women too, And to be honest,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: poor women have always had to be in the workplace,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: and it's usually their workplace has usually included things like
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: having to go to other women's houses and do their
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: housework for them because those women won't do it and
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: their husbands have to pay somebody else, or doing their
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: childcare or they're cooking any of that and there were
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: women that worked in factories. I had two great aunts
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: that worked in textile mills that the same textile mills
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that had a reputation for tearing up children, you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: but that that kind of work. If you didn't have
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of money, you did that kind of work.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: And even going back to like the pre Victoria times,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: like women worked in coal mines and they did work
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that you needed to be smaller for. There was work
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: that boys did, there was work that girls did, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: there was work that women did. And during Victorian times,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: in fact, because of Queen Victoria's distaste for the idea
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that women were doing this work, they pulled the women
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: out of the mines and then they had to work
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: outdoors instead, where it was freezing cold in the wintertime
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and you know, really really oppressively hot and humid in
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the summertime. And they pretty much had the same outfit
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: on the whole time, because it had to be something
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: thick and padded that covered their skin so they didn't
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: get injured by the stuff they were working with. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: boys got put into the jobs that women had been doing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: But women always worked, and there were always women that
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: did shit jobs. It's just that women like Manifestelle wouldn't
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: really know about those women and what they did because
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: they would be beneath her.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I doubt Manifestelle is actually that high up on the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: social hierarchy, at least.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Before she got pretty, but she is on audience hierarchy.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: M true. True. Okay, so let's let's do a little
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: bit more.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: The rise of remote work like this greater flexibility in
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: terms of work, This has led to greater work life
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: balance for a lot of women, and we saw that
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: in the common section of that TikTok, Like, women are
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: loving this greater flexibility and they now have the freedom
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: to personal endeavors and projects, side hustles, passion projects, just
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: like what are you able to do?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: A side hustle is a second job if you're If
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: you're pursuing a side hustle, either you have a special
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: a special passion for it like I have for this right,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: or you're desperate for money because you're not making enough
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: at your lazy girl job.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But also what she's saying is women are only
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: employed in name, in name and paycheck only. Yeah, So
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: when women get a job, what they want is a
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: job just gives them money. So they can do something else.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Are are recruiters looking at this and watching this and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I hope realizing that this philosophy is actually a philosophy
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: of theft.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's it's it's so rampant that there
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: are women who will cost their employers money doing things
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: using their employer's resources on the job that U For instance,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I take care of intellectually disabled adults. I had a
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: colleague that engaged in a practice that we later figured
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: out after she was fired for wasting a lot of
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: fuel and a lot of driving hours that that were budgeted.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: We think she was actually doing door dash on the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: job with the client in the car and like that
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. That kind of behavior is very it's
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: not just entitled, it's it's actually kind of sociopathic, where
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: you don't consider the damage that you're doing to your employer,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: and you don't consider the impact on your job environment
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and the success of the business that you work for
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and the sustainability of the business that you work for.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: You just think, oh, I can get paid for doing
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: job A while I'm doing job B and getting paid
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: for doing job B and just make money at both,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: so I get double the money for half the work.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Let someone else fit the bill and you're
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: not doing Yeah, yeah, it's and this mentality comes from
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: this attitude, which again seems to be very problement among women,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: not so much among men. At least, it wasn't that
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you your needs entitle you to resources rather than you
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: must earn those resources. And having that kind of a
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: virtue of if I don't work, I don't eat kind
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: of virtue. Yeah, right, if I don't make an effort,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: if I don't try, if I don't do something productive
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that someone is interested in paying me for because for
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, usually when you get paid it's because you're
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: doing work somebody doesn't want to do for some reason,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: like for example, we here put our names and faces
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: to stuff that gets you socially kicked out right, Like,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a huge social cost to
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: talking about this stuff. So we you know, people pay
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: us to do it, and that's a transaction. We get
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: paid to do something other people don't want to do.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like getting paid to shovel shit, except
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: in our case it's mental shit.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: The proverbial bullshit.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're shoveling bullshit. We're we're professional bullshit shovelers, right.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing, and you want you have this
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: mentality that you want to do something of service to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: somebody else, and that is what earns you your income.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: But women often have a mentality that just having a
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: need is virtuale is is enough to be worthy of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: getting something. It's like anti meritocratic.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's cultural, and I think it's something that
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: evolved in Western culture throughout history women women's the culture
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: of being female. I don't think it's genetic. I don't
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: think it's biological, but the culture of being female evolved
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: with the idea that women's way of obtaining resources was
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: to need them visibly and out loud, and men's men,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: men would provide them and women would distribute them. And
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: men's way of a taining resources was to go get them,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: do the work, and bring them back, and they always
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: better bring enough for the whole class. And I think
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that has led to this idea that women feel like
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: they deserve resources just for existing and men think they
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: owe resources just for existing. And it feeds on each other.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: It's a codependent relationship. And if women don't like I think,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's I think it's a much worse
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: thing today than it was in the past, and that
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: you know, in the past, women at least had some
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: sense of responsibility for stewarding resources and producing some resources. Well,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: they're going out hunting, We're going to gather. Maybe some
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: of us are strong enough to hunt, maybe some of
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: them aren't, and they should help us gather. We're going
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to cook, we're going to make the resources safe to consume,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: we're going to process it, you know, and things like that.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that has disappeared because
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of what women did to uh, to do
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: you know, their fair share in making sure the resources
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: were available to everybody and usable by everybody, that stuff
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: got replaced by machines first, and then long before men's
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: labor was getting all replaced by machines. Are simplified by
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: machines or made safer by machines. And as a result
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: of that, I think women became more entitled over time,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: and we've gotten to a point now where women don't
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: even remember having a sense of responsibility for their family
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: and and uh making sure that the resources are used
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: fairly and wisely. And so now it's just I want
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I want, I want, gimme, gimme, gimme put the money
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: in the hat. I'm gonna call misogyny.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's get another.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Got a schow.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Gary gave us five dollars and says, I've experienced women
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: in the workplace. I work in the service industry and
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: we've been short staff for weeks now. I'm doing the
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: job of three people while they gossip and drink lemonade
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: in the back room. Meanwhile I'm either mopping the floor,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: cleaning the bathroom, or taking out the trash.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Oh not.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: The women never cleaned the bathroom. My coworkers. When I
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: worked at the gas station down the street from where
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I live now, all the women would come up with
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: every excuse in the world to get out of cleaning
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: the bathroom. I was the only one that would just
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: do it in when I was asked to do it,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: instead of complaining. And there was one night where I
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: was working, and I've told this on HBr talk before,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: but there was one night when I was working that
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: somebody had gone in and been sick in the men's room.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: It was a Friday, and the assistant manager was not
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: going to be in for the tire rest of the weekend.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: They just had a shift manager and she wasn't going
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: to go do it, and the cashiers weren't going to
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: go do it, and they all were. They put a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: no service sign, out of order sign on the door,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and I was like, what's wrong with the men's restroom? Well,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: there's puke in it. Well we can clean that up.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: It's not out of service. Well I'm not doing it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing it, you know, just let let Chris
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: do it. When he comes back in, he's you know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: he's the manager. He's a guy. You need a guy
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: do in there and clean the men's room. So I
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: ended up going in there and cleaning it and then
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: coming back out and putting my apron on and preparing
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: lunch for people the rest of the morning. And and
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: that was how that ended up working. And it was
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: on a regular basis that the women that I worked
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: with would not touch the bathrooms. Oh it's too gross,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not going in there, but they would let the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: person who prepared people's food go in there. And then
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: they would get mad that I took so long washing
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: my hands up to the elbows, and I had to
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: wear a different apron when I went in there than
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: the one that I was using in the kitchen, like, well,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: you want to eat when I'm gonna cook. But that's
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the way they were, you know, Oh, let a guy
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: do it. Let a guy do it. And they got
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: mad at me for not being on board with that,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and then they got mad at me for being careful
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: about what I was doing. And it just the work
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: ethic was terrible, and that was some of them were
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: gen xers like me, so I didn't understand. But I
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: had gone from a mostly rural area to a mostly
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: urban area, and I quickly learned that that's another factor.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: If you're in a small town, a farming community where
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: like kids had chores when they were growing up, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: they had to be careful and there wasn't this leeway
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: for everything being done for you, they have a better
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: work ethic. Then if you're in an area where you
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: had to take care and it's the upper class urban
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: areas like above of the poverty level, where young people
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: don't they don't really learn task completion. Once you get
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: below a certain income, you get moms that didn't take
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: care of their kids, and the kids started having to
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: take care of themselves at like the ripe old age
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: of four years old. They know how to work. Unfortunately
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: not for good reasons. But yeah, what he's describing was
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: my common experience in retail.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not surprised. It is a bit different between rural
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: and urban women. But uh, because I when we we go,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: we have to drive, like recently we just well not
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: to not recently because everything is covered in snow, but
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: we have to drive everywhere. If we want to go
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to a vet, we have to drive like eighty miles, right.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: But when we're driving, you go past farmsteads and you'll
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: see women doing yard work in rural areas. Like yard
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: work is actually women's work in rural areas. It's real,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: it's not yes, yes, oh yeah, because it's like, you know,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: two work that you have to Well, they usually have
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: a driving tractor, but there's also yeah, power and a
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: gardening that needs to happen. But yeah, so in in
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: rural areas, I've seen a lot more of a strong
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: work ethic among women, and particularly interestingly enough, I've watched
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the progression of like a rural transport transplant into the
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Google jobs kind of sphere. And although she's adopted a
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: lot of the mentality of the I guess the the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: avocata toast crowd. She's still I think is a harder
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: worker than them, just just inherently. And you know, so
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it's it is definitely regional, it's definitely generational, but most
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of all, it's it's sex.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, then are much a difference between men and women.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Men are much more likely to take a sense of
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: self worth from the work that they do, which means
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: they work harder. All right, let's keep let's keep going,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to try to pace this.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, uh so I jumped ahead to let me see thirty.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Seven empowerment beyond traditional workspaces.
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: So essentially what.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: The empowerment is one of those words I hate, by
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: the way, but.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's the worst, okay, So that we're
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: not going to find joy and empowerment and validation in
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: these male dominated workspaces, Like we don't need to be
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: breaking glass ceilings if we personally know that we're not
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: going to be happy there, Like.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Then don't complain like this is the problem. Fine, accept
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that about yourselves, and do not complain about the number
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: of female CEOs. Yeah, don't complain about the number of
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: women in the seas.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: You know, there are more male CEOs and female CEOs
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: because men talk about what they're going to do for
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: their workplace and women talk about what their workplace is
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: going to do for them.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's also the other thing is that proportionate
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: there are more female CEOs proportionate to women in the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: worst jobs like garbage collecting than men. So actually, if
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: you look at the number of female CEOs proportionate to
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: how much women choose to go into the workplace, there's
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: actual pressure pushing women up to the CEO position, whereas
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: there's pressure pushing women down to the worst jobs. So
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: this is this old idea that the fact that there
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: are fewer female CEOs represents bias against women. Absolutely false
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: because based on women's labor force participation, they're actually preferentially
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: chosen for CEO positions. So if women go into the
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: labor force, they will more likely end up as a
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: CEO than a garbage collector relative to a man. Where
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: is that? How is that disadvantage just because you choose
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to end up in a spoilt, girly job like you
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: prefer that versus doing the high powered, risk taking activities
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: that I'll get you in a CEO position. I mean,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: if a woman does engage in those activities, she's probably
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: got like maybe a ten times greater chance of ending
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: up in a CEO position and then a man. But
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: they just don't want to because they want to be
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: in these kind of spoilt jobs. Okay, go ahead, Hannah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: You have this thing between men and women. It's not
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: just them wanting to be in the spoiled jobs, that
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: is a big thing. And it's not just them picking
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: the easy professions that they think, oh, I can rise
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: up here and I'm fulfilled here and everything. It's this
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: whole combination of, like I said, women ask what their
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: employer can do for them, versus men offering what am
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I going to do for my employer? This is how
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to earn my paycheck. And then you also
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: have this complete lack of sense of what the employer
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: is hiring them for, right, what the employer owes them for,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: and what the employer has a right to expect out
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: of them. Like men going to work, understanding your employer
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: has a goal for the creation of this job. This
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: job exists to achieve a particular thing, and therefore, whoever
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: takes this job, that their mission should be to achieve
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: that particular thing, and it shouldn't necessarily come as any
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: surprise that that involves specific tasks and specific actions and
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: behaviors and so on. And what you end up with
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: women is well, all right, how am I going to
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: work this around my life? And how am I going
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: to make this fit into my sensibilities, fit in among
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: my sensibilities, and how I'm gonna keep this from interfering
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: with my family time? And oh, by the way, I
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: deserve to get paid more because I do laundry at home.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: That's my laundry for myself. And when they go into
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: work with that attitude, the first thing they're not doing
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: is negotiating with their employer for more money. You know,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I should get paid more because I provide you this
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: value is a lot more persuasive. I earned fifty thousand
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: more dollars than the next salesman this year. Is a
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: lot more persuasive than I do my own laundry, Like
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: everybody does their own goddamn laundry. You know, I'm not
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: paying you for that, but I did.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But if a woman shows the least amount of
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: that kind of more, I suppose masculine, task orientated risk taking.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: She has all these kinds of pressures that just zoom
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: her up into the C suite.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Just then you get them CEOs. Yeah, that's whether or
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: not mm hmm yep. Whereas men have to compete with
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: that and they have to actually be better than that
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: in order to move.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Up mm hmmm, and the other like and you see
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: that with the the end result with that with like faranos,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: you remember that that that was that entire thing, That
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: entire scam worked entirely because it was a young woman,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: supposed tech genius, and they and everybody just was salivating
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: over themselves to give her money because of that. That's
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: the only reason the scam worked. And now she's going
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and saying, oh, it's all my boyfriend's fault.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I had to I had to explain this to somebody
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: on X not too long ago, where I I said,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I know it was. It was on actually I think
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: it was last night. On the show. I talked about
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: the accountability gap, which the accountability gap is a phenomenon
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: that has been discussed in the men's rights movement for
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: like at least one hundred years. I would if I
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: was going to say where's who originated this. I'd probably
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: go back to Ernest Belfort Bax and his writings, because
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: you can find it described in his writings. He did
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: not name it, and nobody really had given it a
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: specific buzzword jargon name. And at the point where I
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: started count calling it the accountability gap. And there are
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: people that have talked to me that think of it
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: as my idea because I named it when I only
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: named it because of the wage gap myth and the
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: wage gap myths evolving into this point where women are
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: expecting employers to pay them more money because they do
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: housework at home for themselves. But that doesn't make it
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: my original idea, right, It's just I put a title
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: to it and have been describing it. And I've had
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: this experience of being treated like a genius for saying
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: ordinary things that are true that male men's rights activists
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: have said for years because people aren't used to hearing
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: a woman say it. And I think that happens with
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: women in the workplace, where men will do a job,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: and they'll perform the tasks, and they'll advance the procedures
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: so that they're improved, and so on. For years and years,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: the workplace will become safer than it originally was, It'll
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: become more efficient than it originally was. Over time, women
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: will come in do the same job and they get
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: treated like they're brilliant for doing ordinary things in the
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: workplace because people haven't seen women do them as frequently,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: and they'll toot their own horn, and look what I did,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I did my normal job duties. Everybody, aren't you impressed?
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: And people will make the mistake of being impressed. And
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: it's not impressive. You know, calling a thing what it
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: is is not impressive, even if nobody else figured out
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: a good name for it. It's not impressive. It's a
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: tool that we can use and move on. And it's
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: the same thing with women in the workplace that you know,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: maybe they notice that something is a little messy and
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: they tidy it up. Men have been doing that for
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: a long time. You're not being treated in a sexist
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: way because you cleaned the workplace kitchen, you know, And
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: so you get that kind of It creates expectations of
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: special treatment in women, and it creates a culture of
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: special treatment of women in the workplace, and you end
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: up with less quality with their work in and more
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: responsibility being attributed to them than they are actually fulfilling.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: M all right, let's finish this off there, Brian.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: All right, I got another super chat from Gary Thomas
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: for five dollars, who says, when it comes to cleaning
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: the bathroom, I have no problem with any kind.
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: Of bodily exertions. I think you mean excretions. But chewing
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: gum in urinoals makes my skin crawl.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I hate chewing gum. It's been in somebody's mouth, Like
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I know it's I'll clean it, vomit and I can
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: handle it. But you're chewing gum is gross?
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: So well stick all right, let's let's do this, all right.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the new ones that we are
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: now realizing after the twenty tenth Girl Boss era is
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: that empowerment will not be found in male spaces. See like,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: we don't need to be exactly like that, because empowerment is.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: You know, can I just say one thing about this,
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: isn't it razy that? I mean, it's not that crazy.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: That manifestel and women who agree with her. There's probably
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: a lot of women, let's be honest. They they literally
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: are blind to the idea or to the fact actually
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: that men don't get to do any of this. We
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: don't even have we don't get to have the conversation
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: about lazy jobs or you know, work life balance. It's
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: just like Warren Ferrell said, what are what are the
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: three options for a woman who wants to enter the
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: workforce after like getting married and starting a family. She
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: can stay at home and raise kids. She can work
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: full time but then she can't see the kids, or
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: she can do some kind of balance between working and
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: you know, spending time with children. And men also have
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: three options work full time, work full time, and work
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: full time.
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: Like there is like men cannot. They do not have
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: the luxury.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: And it's look, I'm not even I don't even think
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: that men complain about that. I think that men doing
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: a full time job to support a family or just
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: to support themselves or to support a wife or whatever,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: generally they don't mind doing that at all. Like they
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: don't see it as a problem because they don't really
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: make working about themselves. They see it as while I'm
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: doing this, especially if they work, you know, like maybe
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: they their business is something they care about. They're more
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: invested in the success of that. But it's just it's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: just you know, I don't know, it's just wild. Like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: only if you only women that are as comfortable and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: as safe and as and living in such as an
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: abundant of society that they have now, only women like
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: that can actually like complain. And you know, it's like
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: the joke I said in the patron show of Adam
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: and Eve, where you know, Adam is walking in the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: garden of Eden with Eve and he's like, look at this,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: this is this is paradise.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: We have food, you know, like that will.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: That that's always delicious, We live forever, will never be sick.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: You know, all the animals are our friends, like everything is.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Perfect, and where and where God is like our neighbor
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: and our father. We have him like whenever we want
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: to hang out with him. And and he's like, don't
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: you think this is wonderful? And he says, yeah, it's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: just not enough, is it. It's like, no matter how good
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: they have it, there's like something to complain about. I'm
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: just you know, but anyway, like we can move on
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: to the other video because I know that we've done
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: this for a little over an hour already.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: But basically what she.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: Says is because women have been work in trying to like,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: you know, do jobs in a male, male created environment,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: the patriarchy. You know, that's where where you get like
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: things like jobs and money and stuff. They have to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: like somehow escape that into a scenario where it what
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: allows for more work life balance, which just means doing
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: like useless jobs that are going to be because of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: AI and companies waking up to the fact that, like
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: you know, eighty percent of the people aren't doing any
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: work that work for.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: That a lot of the times it takes one person
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: to do these five people's jobs if that one person
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  Speaker 2: has a good work ethic. The other thing I wanted
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: to mention about her talking about this stuff is I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you why I hate the word empowerment. All right.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: When women got a hold of the word empowerment, it
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: went from describing the use of tools for improving an
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: individual's capability and productivity so that they could provide value
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  Speaker 2: in exchange for compensation and credit basically social credit, to
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  Speaker 2: making people feel good about themselves, just making people feel
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  Speaker 2: good about themselves, just governing their feelings. And so there's
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  Speaker 2: not really any real empowerment in that it's a sense
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  Speaker 2: of feeling powerful instead of a sense of being able
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  Speaker 2: to do things, and it gets thrown around like it's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: something important and valuable and useful and helps people, when
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  Speaker 2: in fact, what it usually does is provide the office
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  Speaker 2: bully more weapons to use against her colleagues and any
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  Speaker 2: management that expects her to do her job. So that's
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  Speaker 2: why I hate that term.
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  Speaker 1: What I'd like to point out is that women had
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  Speaker 1: a job throughout human history, right it was in the home.
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  Speaker 1: It was often a lot of work, at least up
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  Speaker 1: to the Industrial Revolution. Men made it so that ninety
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  Speaker 1: percent of it was automated, leaving women with something like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: eight ten well actually basically twenty one hours free a
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  Speaker 1: day of which they could do anything they wanted. And incidentally,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: the amount of childcare that women do has increased since
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: the fifties, so probably because of the loss of extended
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  Speaker 1: family to help out. So in the fifties, a woman
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: was doing less childcare, less work. She had her entire
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: day was under her control and her decision how she
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: wanted to spend that time. She yes, she was financially
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  Speaker 1: reliant on a husband, but there were protections that ensured
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: that he was taking care of her financially right, so
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  Speaker 1: he had to he had to work to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that she was Maine financially. Yeah, and women decided that
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't good enough. At that time, a majority of
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: women could have lived the spoilt girly life. Even better
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: than the spoilt girly lifestyle, never had to step foot
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  Speaker 1: outside your home, right your entire life was purchasing goods
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: for the for the home, maybe cooking a meal, but
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: the process of cooking meals was vastly decreased in effort
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: due to cans and preserved goods and pre mixes, and
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: in fact, the consumer revolution in the in the fifties
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  Speaker 1: brought in things in the home that would only have
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: ever been seen on rich people's plates in the past.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: And you looked at that. Women looked at that and said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this just isn't enough. And I think it's simply because
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  Speaker 1: in part, well maybe maybe it is fully because you
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  Speaker 1: had to trust that your husband had your best interests
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  Speaker 1: in mind, and that's it. All you had to do
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  Speaker 1: was trust, and you threw all of that out, and
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: that would have been the life of the majority of
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: women in the fifties. The majority of women would have
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  Speaker 1: access to what you term and not even a spoilt
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  Speaker 1: girly job because that job job quote unquote in the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: home didn't even require the amount of work that a
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: spoilt girly job would require, and that was not good enough.
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  Speaker 1: And for the last seventy fricking years, men have never
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: heard the end of it. Like, literally, women were in
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  Speaker 1: the home twelve hours a day, six days a week,
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  Speaker 1: doing hard labor to keep the home running, and men
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  Speaker 1: were like, well, why don't I just buy a whole
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  Speaker 1: bunch of automated stuff so that your job is easier.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty years later, men have never heard the end of it.
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  Speaker 1: A contempt and the anger and the hatred that women
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: have ladled on them for reducing the homes the labor
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  Speaker 1: in the home that much. It's inferior.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't believe it, look up a video called
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Semiotics of the Kitchen. This was a feminist protest video
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: that was made to make it look like women were
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: enslaved by inanimate objects that they used as tools in
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: I'm it's just it was really something. Yeah, it just
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: really was like you look at it and you're like,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: oh God, you know, what is what is going on
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: in this woman's head? Because you get the distinct impression
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: that she's oppressed by the potato masher.
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  Speaker 7: I'm just like, like, in the future, let's just imagine
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: a perfect themtopia and everything is done and there are
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  Speaker 7: no men.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is done by robots. Men. Women will still be
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: oppressed by the fact that robots do everything for them.
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  Speaker 2: The robots will be there there, imprisoners and oppressor.
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  Speaker 5: Women were still viewed as chattel.
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  Speaker 1: Even though they could turn them on and off and
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  Speaker 1: program them. They'll still be their oppressors. Yep, good lord. Okay,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: let's get to the next one. I know, I know
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  Speaker 1: you want to do that, Brian.
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  Speaker 4: Uh. Yeah, well, let's just get to the other video.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: So this one is conveniently related title. Uh, influencing is
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: a real job, but no one thinks so, guys, I'm
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: what I'm doing is legitimate and I'm going to prove it.
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  Speaker 5: And also quiet quitting.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's right, it is she has to pay
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Presumably she pays her income tax. You know, as far
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, you pay income tax, you probably have
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: a real job. But let's let's face it like it's
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: it's it's pure Connor artistry.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, let's play the video yeah, I get order.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: That's I love aloshop dot com and use code manifest
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  Speaker 3: I'll to get ten percent off your first order. Now
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: back to the topic. Last January nineteenth, twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 3: TikTok users in the US received this alert on the app.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: It says, sorry, TikTok isn't available right now. A law
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: banning TikTok has been enacted in the US. Unfortunately, that
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: means you can't use TikTok right now. And the reason
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: behind the span is that lawmakers and US officials suspect
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: that TikTok's ties to China posts a risk on our
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: national security and that risk comes in the form of
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: China having, however, many millions of Americans information. And another
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: TikTok creator was like, well, what if I want them
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  Speaker 3: to have the information? Have you thought about that? Like,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: that's hilarious and this all didn't just.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Happen, can't believe it. Manifestell was having a Manifestell moment,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: like about another woman.
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  Speaker 2: Well do you think about I don't know if women
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: understand the security risk of a semi hostile or totally
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: hostile nation nation having say not just your name and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: your address and your phone number, but your passwords for
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: everything on your phone. We've been getting warned about this online.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: We've been getting warned about this on YouTube. We've been
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: getting warned about this on Facebook. There are memes about it.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: There's everything that it's not just your your name, your address,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: your phone, it's your banking information. It's your password and
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: your name to your bank account. And it's like you
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: have games on your phone. Those games have mined all
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: of the information that you have put into your phone.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: So if you've done your banking on your phone, the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: companies that created those games have gotten the password to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: your bank accounts. And if you use your your name
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: with no numbers behind it or anything, or if you
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: use your name with numbers behind it as your name
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: to get into your bank account online, they have that.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: If you put your social Security number in somewhere, they
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: have that. You know, if you're in America or or
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: your other tax identifying information and other nations, they have that.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: And having all of that information means that they can
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: financially cripple your country by taking down everybody's ability to
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: spend their money all at the same time, so nobody
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: can go to the store today, nobody can shop online today.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Nobody can use public transportation today. That card you use
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: to get on the bus doesn't work right now, or
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: that phone app you use to get on the bus
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't work right now, right And that's if you have
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: the kind of vehicle I have, or you get on
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: a bus to drive every day. If you have a
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: newer vehicle, something that was made in the last five
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: or six years, and it's computerized, and you have what's
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: it called on Star or whatever, that you get you know,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: roadside assistance through it, and it gives you the same
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: services that say, Google Maps gives you know, the people
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: in the in the cheap seats. Your your car might
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: be hackable and you might be able to be disabled
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: on your route to or from work. If your workplace
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: relies on being able to make financial transactions on a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: daily basis, that may be compromised. They may not be
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: able to do it right. You can cripple an entire
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: country if you have all of that information. So it's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: not a minor thing at all. What people don't understand
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: is the threat that we were told that TIMU is.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Everything on your phone. Is that threat everything that originates
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: from outside the United States, that is on your phone.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Google doesn't vet the apps that they allow you to
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: download through their shop, like they might keep conservatives from
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: putting their apps up, but they don't stop. In fact,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I just had an app self download from an ad
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: that I watched on YouTube, and that app then got
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: some of my information and started using it. And it
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: had just so happened that I had some fail safe
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: setup that I got an alert and I had to
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: get in touch with my bank and say, if there's
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: anything that happens with this app, I didn't make any
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: deals with them, I'm not doing business with them, don't
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: accept any charges, and then go change all of my
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: information because of that.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: So it's it's a.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Very very big deal that women don't understand with you know,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: what can happen with with these these information harvesting apps,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: and you know, like, like I said, TikTok, TikTok isn't
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: the problem. TikTok is like the little face on the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: front of the forehead of the giant heaping monster that
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: nobody's looking at because they see that nice little no mask.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: That's that's really a very serious situation that has not
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: been addressed by pretty much most Western nations. It's a
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: vulnerability that we should be scared as hell about. And
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: people getting pissed off that TikTok got shut down are
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: not seeing the bigger picture. And people getting feeling successful
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: because TikTok got shut down for a little while, they're
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: not seeing the bigger picture either.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't think she's critical of TikTok. I think
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: that she well, let's let's listen, because the thing is
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: TikTok being block and it was only for a short time.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: Obviously it's back up, No, TikTok being blocked was.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: Uh, she's making the case for TikTok, so you know
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: what I mean, because she's baking the case for being
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: an influencer, and she gets all of her all of
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: her material comes from trends on TikTok, So she's obviously
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: pro TikTok, probably pro China. Just saying but anyway, the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: other there's a lot of Look, there's a lot of
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Chinese propaganda on the internet right and some of it
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: is covert, some of it is over, but let's see
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: it is hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, on January nineteenth. The stage has been set since
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: last year or even before that. Last year, Congress moved
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: to force TikTok's parent company by Dance to sell it
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: stick in the app or be cut off from the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: US market, giving the company a deadline of January nineteenth,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: And then on January nineteenth, we got that notification popping
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: up whenever we open TikTok. But if you've been following
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: the news or you are on TikTok like the bandit
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: at last, it was only for a couple hours, not
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: even twenty four hours. Nevertheless, prior to the retraction of
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: the ban, or prior to the ban, many US creators
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: whose livelihoods were on TikTok expressed their worries. If you're
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: not a creator, you're not an influencer. If you're a viewer,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: the band just means you have to move to a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: different app for your short form content. But for these
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: content creators, these influencers, the ban is a significant disruption
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: on their livelihoods. And what's alarming is that we're seeing,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: I'm just pausing for the ban because she's a little
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: long winded.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: But fish, it's really like she's making the argument that
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: people had a reason to be to object to what
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: was genuinely a safety measure. Because that this was how
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: they make their living. But does she have that same
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: sympathy for roughnecks who's who lost their job, you know,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: because of bands on offshore oil drilling. Does she have
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: that that same sympathy for people who work in oil
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: processing plants and people who work whose jobs were destroyed
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: when when Biden decided, gosh, what was the name of
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: that pipeline that he decided was just not gonna happen,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: the Keystone pipeline, the Keystone pipeline. Yeah, we we haven't
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: seen any admission about the United States bombing Nordstrom or
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: being involved in the incident with a Nordstrom pipeline, but
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: if that's the one under underwater that was destroyed, but
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: there's always been that suspicion that it was our three
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: letter agencies, right, But the Keystone Pipeline was Biden just
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: flat out made an executive order and said this will
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: not happen. And you know, hundreds of men lost their jobs,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: possibly thousands, because there's the men who do that job directly.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Then there's the men who transport the oil. There's the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: men who work at the locations where the oil is
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: going to be transported to, and so there's that cascading effect.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I wonder if she has sympathy for them,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: the same sympathy that she has for TikTok creators.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go on a limb and say no, all right,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: so uh yeah, let's listen to some.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: More of this, A glaring lack of empathy towards these
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: creators before the band was going to be an effect,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: Like we're all just waiting for it to happen. A
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: lot of people are poking fun at the fact that
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: now that TikTok's going to get banned, a lot of
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: the influencers will now have to get a quote unquote
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: real job. And this whole situation just shows that, to
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: this day, despite the valid economic impact of influencing, influencing
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: still gets such a bad rap, with people claiming that
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: it's not a real job or questioning how these people
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: contribute to society. So quote twenty twenty two comments, Harry
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: you written.
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  Speaker 2: Now be an actor or a radio personality.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Or somebody or yeah, or somebody who has a job
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: that might be replaced by AI.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's the what's the refrain that we all
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: got told when when roughnecks are losing their jobs and
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: factory workers in the code Yeah, learned to code, Learn
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: to code. Everybody gets told to get get a real job.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Right as soon as your job is disposable in some
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: way or another, it's it becomes not a real job
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: to some segment of the population, and it's it's not
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: very good phrasing for your job is does not have
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: the level of job security that some other jobs have.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: But if you're going to go into a job that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: you know doesn't have Because influencers can lose their jobs
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: because they got canceled. All they have to do is
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: use the wrong word once, or try a product and
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: like it and tell everybody they like it. And then
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: that product turns out to have some ingredient that it
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: you know, causes cancer, or the product doesn't do everything
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: it says, or a lot of people are allergic to it,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: and the influencer has lost their influence. And if you
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: lose your influence, you lose your job, you know. And
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: similarly with people who work in visual entertainment, if their
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: physical appearance changes dramatically, something happens and they can't do
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: that job anymore, they lose their job. When Julie Andrews
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: had to have a surgery that affected the way that
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: her vocal cords worked. It changed the work that she
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: could do right, and you could see it because she
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: did a duet with Carol Burnett after that happened, and
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: she no longer could hit the high notes. It was
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: kind of heartbreaking because you know, she's got a very
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: beautiful voice that is fun to listen to, and she
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: couldn't use it to it to its full extent anymore.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: But it also affected her in that way. I didn't
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: hear her ever whine about it. You have to understand,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: like I work as a direct support professional for intellectually
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: disabled adults, Okay, the overwhelming majority of them have significantly
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: impacting health problems. And if you focus entirely on one client,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: your client's age, your patient's age, the people that you
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: work with, and just like working in a nursing home,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: people age out, their health problems take them, or their
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: age takes them and they pass away, or they need
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: care that you can't provide anymore. You better be ready
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: to go on to a new person and not be
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: hung up on I can't do this anymore because that person,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: or if there's not enough work for you, you better be
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: ready to go to a different job. And that's just
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: the way of life. So it's not that I don't
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: feel sorry for influencers that might lose their jobs in
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: that circumstance, but this is an outlook that men usually
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: have with their jobs. Right, what's your backup plan?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: A lot of times, these these different influencers don't have
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: that backup plan. And it's because I think women are
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: just not used to having to make the backup plan.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: Their their guy is their backup plan. And you know
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: that you have to you have to learn better or
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: when things like this happen and they inevitably will, you're screwed.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Mm yep, Okay, well let's do a bit more. How
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: many time calls do you have for this one?
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: Just a couple?
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, I figure we only need a couple per videos.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: So we're gonna learn now why influencer is in particularly important?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: Well, I think you guys can guess.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: Value one industry, one form of labor, and we participate
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: in devaluing that one industry, that one form of labor.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: We devalue all industries, all forms of labor performed by women.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: We devalue ourselves and let.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: What so now, influencing is just done by women.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of male influencers out there, don't just.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: They don't count.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: They don't.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: They don't count.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: And this is a woman thing. You guys got to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: stop stop coping. It's a woman thing. Women dominate. This
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: is manifestol said, So we're now that's just it women.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: It's influencing is a woman's domain.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: Men not allowed. I mean, they can't compare or something.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: So some people are saying that your job isn't a job.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Who gives a.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: Crap, No, no, no, it has to be validated. It
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: has to be understood to be a not just like
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: a not just like a legitimate job, but a really, really,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: really important one. And that's even more important than the
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: job itself paying anything you see is the saddus that
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: comes with it.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: That's what really matters. That's how you put food on
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: the table and pay the rent and all that. You know.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, no matter no matter what you do, if
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: you're making income, it's because somebody cares about it. Now,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: we can talk about the ethics of a lot of
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: jobs out there and whether or not they're they are
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: they're doing what they say they do or if they're
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: exploiting things that maybe are unfortunate, like feminist NGOs. But ultimately,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: if you're being paid to do it, it's a job.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: If you have to pay income tax, it's a job, right,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter what rando's on the internet say,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: because often that's motivated by jealousy. Who gives a crap?
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Okay to be able to shake that off, all right.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Apparently influencing isn't a new thing. Influencing can actually be
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: traced back to ancient civilizations, where prominent figures and leaders
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: influence public opinion and suer behavior. For instance, adorn themselves
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: with extravagant jewelry and luxurious attire, which would that set
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: transfer their subjects.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the pharaohs, you see, they affected their societies
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: not because they were literally like you know, an avatar
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: of their deity, but because they were influencers.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: That's what a pharaoh is, just an influencer.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 8: Guys, Like, it's not like the Empress, the Empress of
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 8: Japan that made her teeth that black teeth, only calls
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 8: other women to get black.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: Teeth because she's an influencer and she has so many
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: followers and got so many likes on her, on her
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: like you know, on her on her yeah, on her
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: drawings or whatever. No, no, no, it's not because she's
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: like royalty and people were just like, I want to
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: be like her because she's royalty, or I'm scared, so
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm afraid of their power, so I'm gonna
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: emulate them. No, no, no, it's because they're influencers. They got
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of likes and refoul is.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: She has a point. Throughout history, there have always been
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: people that other people have looked to to set the trends.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: They didn't always get paid for that though it wasn't
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: their goal, it wasn't the their profession, it was an
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: effect of their profession. For example, we grew up with
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: you know, valley girls speak totally grody, you know, grossed
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: me out, gave me with a spoon, people calling each
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: other dude. I think came out of that. And and
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: as you go through different movies throughout the whole gen
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: X time period of youth, there was a lot of
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: of movie lingo, movie slang that wasn't part of popular
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: culture popular slang till after that movie came out, and
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: you would see whole groups of people adopting it right,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: usually younger, But that's influence, and a lot of that
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: influence had to do with how popular the stars were,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: or how compelling the plot of the movie was and
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: so on. It just wasn't the goal, right, It wasn't.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: They didn't make Valley Girl to get all the kids
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: in the United States talking like they had an IQ
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: of three. They made Valley Girl to tell a story,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: and they didn't, I don't know. They didn't make Bill
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: and Ted's Excellent Adventure to get all of the kids
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: in the country talking like they were high. They made
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: it to entertain people and entertainers and politicians and the wealthy,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: and you know, so on. They've always been. You could
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: describe their effect as being influencers. But I think what
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: she's making a mistake is that she's treating it at
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: the same as people who make a job out of
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: going on the internet and showing things to people and
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: then becoming popular showing things to people, and it becomes
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: their whole job showing things to people to get this
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: to become popular, or showing things to people to get
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: that to be popular, and they get paid for it.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: They're doing basically product placement like used to be done
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: in movies, and product placement was a very lucrative business,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: by the way, and that's one of the reasons why
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: we remember well ET's candy, right, that was a big
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: one commercials ets candy, ets candy. There was a there
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: was a business deal around that, right, and another company
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: turned that down and then kicked themselves for years afterward.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: And because I made the mistake of reading the ET book,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: I can't remember which one was which M and m's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: are Reese's pieces in the movie. The book was written
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: based on the movie. It was not. It didn't originate,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: but I didn't know that when I read the book,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: so I thought, oh, this, this movie was great. I
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: have to read the book. No, I didn't have to
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: read the book. But yeah, those those kinds of things
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: have existed throughout history. They just haven't been a profession
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: throughout history. And I think in this this day and age,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: we are seeing it become become a profession. I don't
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: know how long it's going to last, because we are
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: already seeing AI replacing influencers and uh, I guess I'm
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: going to repeat. Influencers need a backup plan because regardless
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: of how things have been throughout history, and regardless of
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: how things are now. The future does not look good
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: for this. It doesn't. It doesn't look good for anything
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: that can be replaced by AI fakery.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is means that our jobs are pretty safe
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: because AI is never going to go go and say
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: the stuff that we stay.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: Not in a million unless it's programmed to.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: I'm just.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: AI.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at somebody, uh at riba fluff and
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: he's he's throwing shade on this stream. I'm like, it's
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: not a real job. I'm just I'm living a life
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: like I'm doing my job and I'm scratching.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Scratch real beer.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah I can't.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: I can't have real beer anymore because I'm a wimp
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: with bad kidneys. So and also this, this is not
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: my main job. I work at night. I came home
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: from a night shift last night that was nine hours long,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: took an hour nap, and then now I'm doing this
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: so you could go fuck yourself.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately, my my dog got into my garbage. Let's
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: stay over the garbage he came over for. He came
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: over for scretches. So for a while there I was
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: just sitting there listening to you, Hannah and giving him
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: a scratch, and then he's just like, uh, oh wait,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: I want to find something to crinkle. What's in the garbage?
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is uh.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what it's like checking the vertical chat.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, it's it's yeah, we always get some
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: something interesting in the vertical chat, as we did last year.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: I think the all the stuff around the election really
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: had people moving around in there. But the other thing
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: I wanted to point out was women who were influencers
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: in past not influencers, sorry, the women who were part
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: of the aristocracy had an essential role to play in
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: retaining the stability of their culture or through this influence.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: They didn't just influence, you know, like oh they wore
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: great like beautiful jewelry. They were also expected to engage
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: in charity and charitable works and be part of the
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: intellectual scenes. So they're supposed to patron the arts and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: do stuff like that, you know. And and also they
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: were expected to advance their their family's interests above their own.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: So like these these these women they had a lot
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: more to and if they didn't, if the influences of
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: their time didn't influence the culture and positive directions it collapsed.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: That's something to consider as well. You know, they ended
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: up being invaded by the Holy Roman Empire. But you know,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: like this is this is this is there. There is
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: an actual meritocracy to influencing. You got to influence the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: women below you to do things and engage in behaviors
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: that support the system rather than destroy it. I'll leave
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: it as an exercise to the viewer whether today's influencers
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: are actually of the type that encourage positive participation in
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: the culture or are actually destructive and chaotic elements and
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: not the good kind of chaos either. All Right, we'll get.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Into the just to mention for the tide pod challenge here,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: that's all I'm gonna say.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: Oh good lord.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: All right, yeah, so this is this section is we're
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: goinging into the gender dynamics of influencing.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: So we're gonnam here.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: Okay, So here we go.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: Greek philosophers like Socrates and Plato exerted their influence through
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: their philosophical beliefs and teachings, which undeniably shaped their society's
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: norms and values. Are you Marcus Aurelius still exerts his
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: influence to this day. These people, Socrates, Plato, Marcus Aurelius.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: You know, the word influencer is doing a lot of
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: heavy lifting for this analogy.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: Like, it's just it's.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: Not because they were great men who therefore were followed
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: for being great men. No, no, no, it's because they
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: were hustling on whatever the ancient Greek version.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: Of TikTok was. That would be, yeah, carving on tablets,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: and even then it was all right.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: Anyway, I'm just saying, imagine, imagine being Manifestel and comparing
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: her content to Marcus Aurelius. Just imagine thinking, oh, these
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: are basically the same. I'm basically a philosopher king, I'm
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: basically you know, Aristotle, because I'm on TikTok telling girls
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: to get that bag while securing their own bag. I'm
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: basically the same as fucking Nietzsche, you know. And I'm
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: mama on par with these great thinkers. I'm basically the same, guys.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: So that's a.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Step down from comparing herself to a living god in
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: the form of a pharaoh.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, even then.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Right, I think we need to call ego control because
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: someone's ego is out of control. Anyway, Let's go ahead.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: Anyway for the intellectual influencers of their day, and they're
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: still intellectual influencers today because people still read them today.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: And let me get on this one, beef, I have.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: I love the term intellectual influencer because there's people, especially
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: on YouTube. I don't know why it's a YouTube thing.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: YouTubers don't like calling themselves influencers. They think they're above that.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: They're like, you know, they have a little they have
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: a little sauty factor when it comes to the term qu.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, is that really elitists like.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Not really known. If you don't like a particular label.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: Well if you don't think if you don't think it fits,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: because like I think of influencers with people who are like,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: you should buy these clothes, you should wear this makeup,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: you should listen to this music.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: I'm alter started on Instagram, not YouTube. It started with
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: women showcasing their lifestyles and people going, oh, I like
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: that blouse. Where did you get that blouse? And enough
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: people started buying things because this woman or that woman
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: was wearing it or using it or eating it or whatever.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: That companies started paying women to photograph or video themselves
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: with these things and do reviews. And so on, and
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: it became you know, lucrative. It didn't have anything like
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: YouTube was a totally different story. The app it was
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: created specifically because people could not share videos on various
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: platforms if they were copyrighted. It's kind of ironic now
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: because you know, the YouTube steals from creators by paying
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: companies that falsely claim copyright for content that is the
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: creator's original content. And it's an actual major problem on
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: YouTube for a lot of creators that create original music
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: and original do original storytelling and stuff like that. There
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: have been a lot of creators that have been hit
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: by a couple of certain companies that skim and there's
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: not a very good appeal system for it. So that's
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: the sort of come full circle from we're going to
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: be the way around this problem too. We are the problem.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: But it evolved through various like it was more meme
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: culture and people trying to share their creativity with each other,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't about any of that. You know, oh,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get paid to wear this shirt so
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: that other people want to buy this shirt and stuff
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: like that. Of course, youtubeobers don't want to call themselves influencers.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Influencer culture didn't evolve on YouTube. It hit YouTube eventually.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of makeup influencers on YouTube and stuff
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: like that now, and there's a lot of political influencers
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. But it was a culture that came into YouTube,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: not a culture that came out of YouTube.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, let's uh, okay, more, yeah, more, just
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know what benefit we're going to get
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: out of this time code, but let's let's finish it
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: Coobers don't like calling themselves influencers. It's the same labor.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: We're gonna get into why that is. Okay, Like, I
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: know if people have theorized the differences between content creators
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: and influencers, which is which? But I would say they're
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: the same. And it's a special brand of misogyny to
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: call women influencers, but men content creators and women who
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: shy away from the term influencers because it is associated.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Really the way Wait wait, nobody does that. Nobody does that.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: Nobody is doing that manifesto except you. Right now, If
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: men don't want to be called influencers, they want to
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: be called content creators because they create content, which is well,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: influencing is getting people to buy shit, right, Like, we
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: are not here, for example, on this podcast, to get
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: people to buy shit. We're here to explain legal stuff,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: social stuff, social realities that make that don't get play
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: because they are well, let's face it, the US government
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: exports feminism and we are the We are the opposite.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: We are the anti whatever they're trying to export. So
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: it doesn't Our stuff doesn't get a lot of play.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: So what do we do. We have these shows to
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: talk about things that nobody wants to talk about nobody
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: And that's not us saying, oh, I want you to
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: buy something like I mean, we we'd canvass our audience
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: to say, hey, do you want us to canad to
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: talk about this stuff, then please support us. But that's
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: not the same. I mean, nobody's gonna buy my old
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: navy my scrubby old navy jacket because I've been wearing it.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna buy my welding goggles because oh I also
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: have in Migraine. Nobody's gonna buy this cheap ass freakin'duke.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: We're not influencing people to buy shit, right, and to
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: extend to like Brian was saying, using the word influence
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: to create the d do you even more heavy lifting
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: and saying Marcus Aerulius was an influencer. It is ridiculous.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Marcus Aerulius wasn't getting people to buy shit either.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: Just use your term.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Be fine with it. I don't even think the Manifestella
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: is necessarily an influencer because is she really getting people
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: to buy shit? I mean, she's getting people to buy
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: a stupid concept, but that's not the same as a
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: consumer could she's a contact creator? Just be okay with that.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: And again, she's making victimhood where there is none. It's
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: amazing how women like this can make victimhood everywhere. It's
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: like they're superpower.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: Okay, not that's what they're selling.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: That's what they're selling, Okay, female creators who call themselves
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: content creators instead of influencers, and like, really just shy
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: away from that. And I was guilty of this, okay,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: Like we are deconstructing all of this in real time.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: I used to only call myself a content creator of
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: like I'm not influencer. Oh no, I'm not an influencer
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: because of the negative stigma against influencers, Like it's almost
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: embarrassing people that you're an influencer.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: She's projecting. Basically, she's just explained that her original distaste
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: for the term influencer was was caused by negative connotations
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: around it. Whereas I think a lot of people differentiate
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: between content creators and influencers because not everybody has influence,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: and if you call yourself an influencer when you don't
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: have any influence, you're kind of being stupid, right, Yeah,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: clearly she has influence. It's fair to call herself an influencer.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean she's not a content creator, but that
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: would be a subtype of content creator. So what she's
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: complaining about is some people call themselves doctors and some
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: people call themselves medical practitioners. You know, Okay, some people
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: are doctors, they are a subtype of medical practitioner. Other
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: people are nurses, nurses' aides, they're they're physical therapists, they're
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: you know, other types of therapists. Like, there's a whole
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: spectrum of jobs within being a medical practitioner. Technically, I
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: am a medical practitioner. I would never call myself a
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: doctor because I don't do what doctors do, and I
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: don't consider myself an influencer either, because if you look
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: at the level of influence this woman has and the
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: number of people who pay attention to what she says
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: and does and imitate her every whatever, And you compare
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: that to what I do, I would think it would
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: be bullshit to call myself an influencer. Right, I'm part
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: of a community, and I think that's fair being able
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: to say it that way. Right, I'm a content creator
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: and I'm part of a community. Do I have some
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: influence a little bit in comparison to this woman in
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: my community? There are other people who have significantly more influence,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm comfortable admitting that. And I think she's really
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: upset with people that are comfortable admitting that about themselves.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: I think that's the problem calling yourself an influencer is
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: the negative connotation that goes with it is ego. And
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: she's mad because she wants to be egotistical without being
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: the only person in the room being egotistical. And if
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: she's the only person in the room being egotistical, then
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, she's a narcissist. Right, Nobody wants
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: to be called that. Nobody wants to be treated like
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: a narcissist, So everybody else has to be a narcissist
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: with her or it's embarrassing and upsetting and their stigma
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: attached to it, and it's not fair to her the
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: narcissist who wants to be comfortable with her narcissism. That's
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: why she's mad, and she's projecting that onto everybody else.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: All right, let me see, I just felt like there
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: is an alarming lack of dogg o content. Yeah, he's
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: the true influencer here. Yeah all right, so yeah, hopefully
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: that's not too loud.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: The evaluation of women's labor all right.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all mute, so you don't have to.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: That's ultimately what this is and why it's because time
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: and time again, it is so much easier and safer
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: to hate on women. Like if people are gonna hate,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: at least bring the same energy to people who do
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: the exact same thing. And this gets us into the
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: misogyny of it all. To quote a Substack article titled
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: the hatred of Influencers is gendered. There may be a
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: legit reason why the image of influencers is so heavily
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: female if you think about it. Who but a stay
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: at home housewife is better equipped to put on an
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: aspirational life on display for the rest of the world.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: We live in a society where women still make less
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: than men, where it's still far more common to see
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: a woman stay home to raise children. At most of
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: the events, I'm one of one or two guys, which
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: is fine, I love hanging out with women, but also
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: shows that, at least in the very visible home space,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: lifestyle influencers tend to skew female, which brings me to
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: my whole theory about why influencers are so hated. It's
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: seen as women's work and we value female labor less
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: than male labor.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Literally, as an idiot.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, don't sign off on this, miss mister simps simp skimsky,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: like this, seriously, this is okay.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: We we value we value women's labor less than men's labor.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: I work with men about this, which is what I do.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: Okay, like.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: This has been my experience my whole life. All right.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: Women in the feminist movement spend a lot of time
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: telling me how much less I'm getting paid than a
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: men around me, and then I compare notes and when
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: I am in like I the situation I'm in now,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: I have experienced and work over time that a lot
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: of the guys don't. There's one guy that works overtime
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: like along with me, and he gets paid pretty close. Like,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: we're pretty much uh the same in terms of getting paid.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: But I get paid more than a lot of the
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: other women because I work more hours and also because
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: I have experience. I came into the job with experience
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: that they don't have, and I brought that from other
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: healthcare jobs. And this is not gendered, right, This is
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: how women do work and how women sell their work
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: to their employer. What this guy is saying right here
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: is essentially that if women don't do the same kind
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: of work as a man, and if women don't sell
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: their work to their employers as effectively as a man does,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: that it becomes sexist. And the reason automatically gets changed
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: to because the work is seen as women's work when
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: they don't get paid as much because reasons because feminism,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: when in reality, they just want to ignore all of
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: the various dynamics that go into that. And when you
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: look at studies on the so called wage gap, what
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: you find is that women don't work as many hours
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: on average as men do. Right, Women don't do the
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: same tasks on average that men do. They don't take
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: the same positions that men do. They don't work the
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: same days that men do. A lot of women ask
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: for weekends off, a lot of women won't work on
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: the night shift. So instead of getting shift differentials, instead
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: of getting extra pay for working on the weekend, instead
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: of getting hazard pay for taking on the difficult and
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: dangerous things, instead of getting incentive pay for taking on
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: gross things that various jobs will actually cover, because that's
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: the only way to get people to do that job right.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Women take the office position, the sit down position, the
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: position where they're working with the easy consumer or the
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: easy patient, and then they complain because they're not getting
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: paid as much as the person who's earning hazard pay
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: or other incentive pay or overtime pay or shift differentials.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: And then they say, well, it's because women's work isn't valued. No,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: it's because there are some things that you can't get
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: people to do unless you offer them incentive pay. And
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: the people who are more likely to put their sensibilities
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: on the back burner and go do those things, or
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: take the risk, gamble on whether they might get injured
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: and go do those things, give up things they want
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: in life to go do those things are the people
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: who have to pay the bills, and that's usually men.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: It has absolutely nothing to do with what is seen
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: as women's work and everything to do with what costs
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: more to persuade people. Will you please do this job
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: for us?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Can I just point out the DA We just do
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: a video with her describing easier work as spoilt girly
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: women's work, And now she's talking about how women's work
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: is less valued than men's work. Well, yes, because women
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: value their work less than men because they don't take
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: it as seriously. You want to do girl jobs. They
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: want to They want to work at home and do
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: multitasking and do their chores and their side hustles and
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: everything else, everything else, but the job that they're paid for.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: So you want to put that out there. People are
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: going to value your work less as a woman, Like
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: if you're if you literally say, well, I want because
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: I'm a woman, I want to work one fourth that
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: of a man. Well, people are going to value you less,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: your labor less if you do one fourth the work period.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: So and also this guy is just simply mixed Simperston
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: please shut up, Yeah, go simp elsewhere. All right, let's
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: simply make something. Yeah, I hope you guys are enjoying
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: the the extra doggo content.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: The doggo has gone out of frame.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: He'll be back in Fraim. I'll just have to I
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: just have to throw the frisbee and then he'll go
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: back in Fraim and you'll get to see him leap.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: He's a bit of a frenetic animal. Shall we say?
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: All right, let's finish this off, Brian all right.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: Statistics find that influencing is largely dominated by women, women
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: making up eighty four percent of social media influencers, and
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: it's more than possible that influencing is being devalued and
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: discredited simply because it's become a space for women by women.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: Vicky Seeger even goes as far to say, if influencer
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: marketing started off dominated by men instead of women, this
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: would be an entirely different business.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop the wrong, yes to stop there, all right.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what reason she's going to attribute to
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: to why that that that is true, but I will
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: tell you this influencing started out as a female dominated
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: industry because most marketing is done to sell things to women,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: and it's mostly done to sell things to women that
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: women buy because they want them, not because they need them.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: This is a huge, huge difference between men and women
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: that women don't understand all Right, Men have throughout history
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: not been allowed to buy things they wanted until after
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: they had covered the costs of things they needed, things
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: their wives needed and wanted, and their kids needed and wanted.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: And then if there was some money left over, and
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: if the thing they wanted was something that society wouldn't
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: just condemn the shit out of them for wanting and
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: having and using, they might get to buy things they wanted,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: especially if they could justify the the reason they want
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: it is because it makes their work easier, right, And
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: that's always been the case for men. It's never been
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: the case for women. It's always been the case for men.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: Women would have to be dirt poor before that they
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: have that situation. Right, As long as women have just
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: a little bit of money, they buy things just because
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: they want them, and they never actually consider whether their
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: male partner gets to do the same. And when men
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: do make purchases that they don't need for work and
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: they don't need to fix their house with it, you know,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: they don't need it for medical purposes, They don't need
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: it because it's clothing, and it's it's something that they
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: want for fun, like a game system or a more
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: expensive car than they have to buy, or you know,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: any set of clothing that is just for or anything
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: like that. They get criticized for it. They get treated
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: like self indulgent children for just one little purchase like that,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: or even one major purchase that is going to be
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: their entire source of entertainment for years. Right, So, of
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: course influencing evolved around women. You know, you can't, John
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Doe says guns. I'm not even sure guns can be
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: put into the category of stuff that men buy just
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: because they want them, because guns have a very solid,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: very responsibility laden purpose. They're they're very heavy, They're not
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: a lightweight purchase by any stretch of the imagination, and
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: men get treated like babies for wanting them, even though
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: the man is obligated to be the protector in his
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: home right. So this idea that it's sexist that it
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: evolved around women, or that it evolved a certain way
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: because it's sexist for it to have evolved around women. No,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: the reality is women are cheap. Women will buy stuff
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: on sale that is not as well made. Women will
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: buy clothing that they're going to throw away next week,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: and they'll buy work clothing that isn't going to serve
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: its purpose and may even get them in trouble at work,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: and then they'll complain about it. Right, they'll buy things
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: that they're never going to use because it looks cute,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: because it's interesting, and because they do that, they skimp
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: on paying for things, or they'll they'll run up a
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: huge credit card bill that their husband has to pay off.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: Whereas if a guy wants to buy something, it has
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: to be functional, it has to be lasting. It's not
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: something that he's going to throw away next week. It
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: has to serve a purpose for him. It's got to
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: be something he actually is going to use and he's
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: going to invest in it. And so if influencing evolve
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: a certain way that is not to be very lucrative
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: because women do it, it's because women don't invest in
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: things that women do the way that men invest in
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: things that men do. And as a result, businesses that
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: revolve around selling things to women for things that women
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: do aren't going to be as lucrative as businesses that
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: evolve around selling things for men that men do because
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: of things that men do. Okay, and that makes sense.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: And setting aside the relative lucrativeness of these of influencers
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: versus everything else. Again, we just went through a whole
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: video on how Manifestel basically said because she's a girl,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: she should get a lighter load, that she shouldn't have
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: to work as hard as men, that she should have
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: all kinds of concessions and be able to do multitasking
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: and everything else. And so she wants to sit on
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: being a girl. Why she doesn't as an explanation for
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: why she doesn't have to labor as hard. But at
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: the same time, is she wants to be taken as
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: seriously as men when they do jobs. Right, that's ridiculous.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: You either get special consideration to have to labor less
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: as a woman, to have a work life balance, to
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: do a spoilt girly job which is basically just leaning
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: on everyone else and stealing money. Right, You either get
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: that because you're a woman. But on the other hand,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: you don't get the respect of somebody who truly has
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: to work for a living, who truly has to put
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: in the effort. Okay, one or the other, not both,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: of course, you're gonna ask for both. You're gonna ask
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: for to be given the lighter loads. You're gonna ask
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: to carry twenty pounds when a man is carrying two
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: hundred and at the end of the day, you want
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: to get credit for carrying two hundred pounds too. That's
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: what this is, and getting paid for it. Well, you
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: don't get that with anybody with any a lick of
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: common sense. So basically she's saying people with common sense
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: are saying, I don't work as hard when I don't
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: work as hard, well, yeah, too bad. Until until the
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: until the US deep state outlaws common sense, you're going
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: to be subject to it. Okay, let's uh, how many
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: more time codes are left?
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, like the only thing that's left is, uh,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: there's a section called empowerment through influencing. So she's already
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: covered the devaluation of women's labor and the.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 5: Societal perception of influencers. So I mean, want me to
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: just that's basically the last bit.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, society so okay.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 5: No, it's empowerment through influencing, okay.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so simultaneously influencers are treated as lesser, but it's
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: also empowered Okay.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because it's labor, it's work.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: Recognize it as work like it is labor. It is
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: an industry, and it's valid, and it supports a lot
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: of people, and it supports the economy, and like, on
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: a more societal scale, we can challenge the outdated notion
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: of women's work that it's less valuable, it's less important,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: and therefore should not be compensated at all, and that
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: women should.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: You make stuff that you're influencing people to buy. No,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: what does she understand? What job she's like influencers? Do
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: they make the stuff that they're influencing people to buy? Okay,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: so who do you think is more important in this relationship?
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: The influencers are the people creating the stuff that they sell.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could say the influencers are
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: giving them jobs too, but seriously, like and also like,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: you're influencing people to make splurge on consumer products that
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: they don't necessarily need. I mean, just be happy with
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: what you are. You are an essential service. You probably
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: not doing that much. Well maybe maybe you're doing stuff
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: for the products that you sell, but you know, it's
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: just like, just be happy with what you are.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: I would say, she doesn't understand what jobs are for.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: And the reason I'd say that is because her argument
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: for why influencers should get paid more isn't that they
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: are providing value to the viewers. She argue that the
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: people influence. Yeah, and it isn't because they're providing value
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: to the sellers that are asking them demonstrate this product,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: show this, or whatever. In the case of influencers that
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: are basically advertisers, it isn't because their content is in
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: other words, needed by people and bringing value to people.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: It's because of their effect on the economy. Right. This
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: is very similar to women arguing that they should get
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: paid more in the workplace than they do because of
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: what they do for themselves at home and that it
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: provides value in the home. Your employer doesn't owe you
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: anything for that. Your job exists. Whatever you do exists
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: to provide a value for the source of your income,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: your employer, your audience, your advertisers, whatever. Right, If you're
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: not providing that value, they don't have a reason to
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: pay you more money. Right. It's not these companies and
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: your viewers and so on. They're not in the business
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: of paying you to make the economy move, even if
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: you contribute to that. That's not the job description and
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: it's not why the money is coming in, so presenting
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: it as a reason why you should get more money
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: is unreasonable and irrational, just like your work that you
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: do at home for yourself is not the reason why
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: the factory that you work at or the retail outlet
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: that you work at pays you. Right, they're expecting the
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: value of you doing the tasks that they hired you
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: to do, and presenting your housework as a reason why
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: you should get paid more is unreasonable and irrational. And
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: this is why I use the term accountability gap to
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: describe women's failure to understand. Men understand that they have
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: had to have that understanding throughout history. Women have not
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: had to have that understanding throughout history. They are not
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: accountable for it. They haven't been accountable to their employers,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: and they haven't been accountable to their families as breadwinners.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: And so there is a gap, just like the so
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: called wage gap, only the accountability gap is real. Men
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: have been noticing it for centuries. They've been talking about
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: it in at print media for at least a century,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: probably also for centuries. And that's the best name I
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: could think of to use as a shortcut instead of
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: describing the phenomenon every time I wanted to talk about it.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: If that makes sense, yep, Okay, So that I didn't
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: realize that she was asking for more money because it's like.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: What you're explaining about how influenced?
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: How can socialized influencing like yeah, take off, take off
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: oods or no, because that's going to destroy it. Because
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: the the truth is it has to be a competitive,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: a competitive, a competitive sort of thing. Otherwise what's the
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: point of it, right? You know, you got to be
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: an influencer who influences more otherwise, like it, it just
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't work, just doesn't work. Okay, I'm working, you know,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: and my work is not just throwing the frisbee for you.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: But regardless, it's just who's paying me for that. You're
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: not paying me to do that. You're not paying me
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: to throw this frisbee. This is frisbee throwing pain gap here?
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: All right? So is this this is the final one?
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: Brian?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: Are we in the home stretch? Is there anything?
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, we can play the rest of this clip
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 5: and then leave it at that.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, everyone else benefiting from their labor, like the same
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: has been done to caregiving and childcare, and they're doing
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: it to influencing too, Like, the devaluation of women's labor
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 3: is a huge problem. And when we assign the proper
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: value to women's labor, to women's industries and recognize them
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: as legitimate jobs, we affirm women's power to inspire.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: In the vate.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: Lead recognition, she doesn't understand that it is a trade,
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: it's a she doesn't understand what it's for, but what's for?
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: What pay is for? She she doesn't, yeah, ahead trade
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: that you're buying labor and and when you do labor
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: for a job, you're selling labor to your employer. Like
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: she doesn't seem to have a grasp on that that
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: very basic fact.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: And they vote.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: We're giving them access to the reigns of society. And
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: this is someone who has a quarter of a million
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: female pairs of eyeballs on her listening to every word, saying, oh,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: I gotta be a manifest out girly.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: And I thought you were going to say female parasites
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: and get.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: Seriously, they're looking at this and they think this is
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: the way to be, and we give them more and
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: more and more and more power over the work world.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: And they fundamentally do not understand that what you're talking about, Hannah.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: They don't understand merit. They don't understand the concept of
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: giving value in exchange for money, and they don't understand
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: that influencers already get probably more than what they deserve
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: in terms of their actual benefit to society. Like, they
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: don't understand any of that, none of it.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: She doesn't understand that it's a trade. She doesn't understand
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: that pay isn't just a a an expression of esteem
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: for the employee, right, And she also doesn't understand what
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: makes work valuable to the employer. Yeah, this explains a lot.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Doesn't understand any of this. And she's also
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: but she compares herself to Marcus Aulius. Oh good lord, Okay,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: let's keep going.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: Uh okay, this is and I love this questions by
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: this article, which was written as an open letter to
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: female influencer kan society stomach women who not only take
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: up space but also define its parameters, thriving unapologetically in
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: a domain they've masterminded themselves. I have another story for you.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: So I was, and I'll put that back on the screen.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: Like what she said, there is so dumb?
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 5: Is it not?
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: Even unapologetically in a domain they've masterminded themselves?
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: What she said there is so dumb that I think
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: I lost IQ points hearing it. Hey, there's multiple dum
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: So First of all, nobody gets upseted women for taking
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: up space. We are not allowed even to criticize women
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: when one of them takes up the space of two people,
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: right to the degree that even people who are savvy
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: about that are uncomfortable acknowledging when women take up more
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: space than they're entitled to. Or like I called myself
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: fat yes, So for the record, for the listeners, I'm autistic.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: It's not an insult to if I call myself fat.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: It's me stating a fact and it doesn't bother me.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: Like I just bought a DIM membership because I don't
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: like the effects on my health from being fat. Right,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: So I called myself fat yesterday, and poor Mike was
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable hearing me call myself fat because he thought it
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: meant I felt bad about myself, and we don't let
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: women feel bad about themselves. All right, I feel terrible
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: about being fat because it hurts my ass. Literally, that's
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: the problem. All right, that's as bad as I feel
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: But if I was a feminist and somebody else called
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: me fat, if I sat next to somebody on an
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: airplane and the seat was this wide, and I'm taking
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: up this much space, right, and I complain because they're
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: in my way. I, as a woman, I am coddled
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: for expecting that special treatment. And if a man is
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: sitting next to me and I'm taking up part of
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: his seat and he complains, he gets treated like shit
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: for it, even though he paid for that whole seat,
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: not to share it with me. Right, So this idea
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: that women women can't take up space. We get complaints
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: from women about men sitting with their knees more than
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: a few inches apart on the bus. Women who will
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: carry six bags into the bus and take up the
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: whole you know, aisle of seats, both sides for six
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: rows or whatever with all their shit. Oh no, this
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: guy is taking up a seat all by himself because
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: his feet are too far apart, and only a thin
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: person can sit next to him, not a fat person.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: Or on the train, that's that's, you know, like taking
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: up a whole bench with her bags or putting her
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: feet up and then getting upset because a guy sits
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: with his knees more than an inch apart. It's bullshit,
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: But that alone, that's not the worst of it, right,
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: thriving unapologetically? Who gets mad at anybody for thriving?
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: Who gets mad?
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 5: Women?
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: Women get jealous and they get women get jealous and
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: they bitch about it.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: Right, So because you think they're entitled to some portion
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: If she's got a complaint, she should take it up
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: with her followers, because that's probably who's bitching about any
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: thriving And then a domain they've masterminded themselves, all right, So.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: Women invented advertising? Did you know?
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: Advertising would not exist if men didn't make things for
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: women to buy?
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, if men didn't invent that advertising.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: And invent things for women to want. And yeah, men
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: invented advertising, although marketing is largely a female dominated industry
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: these days until you get into certain higher echelons, which
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: is why you get like the dumbest of the dumb
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: advertising campaigns at the story level quite frequently. But but yeah,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: the ideas of it, this idea that this is something
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: that men have done to women, or that it's sexist,
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: is bullshit.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think we should. I honestly doubt that there's
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: going to be anything further after this brunt. Yeah, no, yad.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm just going to conclude with this. Now everybody's
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: checked out. But I've used the evil seaword, the truly
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: evil seaword. But okay, you're thriving, then why do you
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: need more money? Yeah? Why are you saying that you're undervalued,
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: that influencers are undervalue and need to get influencer welfare? Like,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: why do you know? If you're thriving, go thrive? All right?
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: If you're thriving, don't ask for shit? Right, Okay, there
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: you go, thrive and and and those who thrive shall
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: not request more crap for themselves. Right, Okay, We're I'm
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: acknowledging your thriving, Emily Valentine Parr. You are thriving, therefore,
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: do not ask for anything from anybody else. Okay, that's
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: how it works.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: We've come full circle to Brian's joke about Adam and Eve. Yes,
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: this is Eve in the garden of thriving, looking at
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: her followers and in all seriousness saying it really isn't enough,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Never is enough? All right? So I do have
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: a thank you to give, which is absolutely enough. Richard Beer,
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: completely unrelated, has uh dropped a thousand bucks into the
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: kiddie So thank you, Richard Beierre.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 5: I am still here. I hope that this oh yeah
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 5: is coming back. Yeah, you're back, You're back. Yeah.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: Ask me?
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: Is it masochism or a learning to like manifesto? No,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: I don't like manifesto. I do not like her, Sam
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: I am, but she is bullshit and my job is
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: to shovel it. So I do my job. That's that's
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: the end. That's the final analysis. And the problem is
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: that she has a ship ton of followers, and compared
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: to the other spoilt girly or female dating strategy streamers,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: she actually is at least somewhat intelligent or not intelligent,
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: what is the word for it. She varies her content.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: Articulate, different topics, savvy.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: She's a bit savvy, so she she because she has
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: different topics. For last week, we did a top on
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: romance novels with Karen because she's a romance writer. This
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: week we did the female dating strategy more of the
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: female dating strategy stuff. Because Hannah has actually been you
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: on Reddit. You've been watching the female dating strategy stuff,
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: and you've been in vaud I was.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: They privated their subreddit quite a while as, Yeah, so
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: you have to actually join the subreddit to get in,
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: and I would have to create a new account because
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: my original account, which for a long time was shadow band,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: but is no longer by surprise, for some reason, that
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: account is banned in all of the feminist subreddits because
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: I posted in the Men's Right subreddit for so long,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: And if you posted the Men's Right subreddit, there's a
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: whole laundry list of subreddits that ban you from their subreddits,
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: and that subreddit is one of them. So yeah, it would.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: It would actually take me quite a bit. But when
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: I was monitoring it, what I basically saw was it
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: was mostly women complaining about what terrible people men are,
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: how useless they are, how boring they are, how worthless
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: they are, what assholes they are, what clods they are,
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: how predatory they are, how unattractive they are, how everything
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: they do is wrong and everything they say is wrong
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: and everything they think is wrong, and how to get
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: them to want to be with women. In that particular subreddit,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: it reminded me of that stupid joke in any hall
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: about the restaurant being terrible because the food was awful
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: and the portions are wish too small. It's like, yeah,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: definitely want more if the food is awful. Men are awful.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: How can we get them to date us? We hate
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: those fuckers.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: How can we get we get more of their money,
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: get into.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: Relationships with them? And it is all about you know.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: They refer to certain men as high value, but they
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: still consider them to be beneath the women in the subreddit,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: not equal partners. They still consider them to be walking
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: wallets and work hourses and pets that must be kept
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: on a leash or they will behave inappropriately. They don't
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: see men as human beings and they don't care about them.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: They just want somebody to pay half the bills.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or well, actually, from what I've seen of the
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: female dating strategy, they regard a high value man to
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: be a man who's who would essentially be wanted by
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: all of their girlfriends and everybody, every woman and like
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: a ten mile radius, but at the same time not
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: act like he has choices, So they essentially want somebody
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: who doesn't exist. That's what they would consider a high
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: value man. But the other thing is that I noticed
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: how much a high value man basically just fixes them
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: like they don't. They don't, they don't fixes every problem
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: that they have, So instead of them fixing themselves or
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: learning to be a better person, or learning to have
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: better skills, or making more of an effort in their life,
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: they just think a man's going to come in and
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: fix me. So simultaneously withholding men in complete contempt, they
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: seem to think that men should have godlike powers of
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: being able to save them. It is most it has
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: to be, you know, it should be in the DSM
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: as like some kind of be mental illness. But anyway,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: Fair, going in there for me was a lot like
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: trying to scope out the planets, which has an acidic
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: environment no oxygen and acid rain and high winds and
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: just completely inhospitable. It's such an alien set of thought
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: processes for me that I just going and reading their
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: ship was it was amusing until I thought about it, right,
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: and then thinking about it it made me sick and sad.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: So I'm not too upset that it's inaccessible to me now, yea,
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: even though it's kind of like a relief. Oh good,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: I can't look at that anymore.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: Like going into a cave and you see these women
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: and they're they're sawing off and eating their own feet,
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: and they're calling it empowerment, and you're like, Okay, I'm
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: just gonna do a u turn. I'm gonna walk out
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: of this.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: But you all do your thing.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you all do your thing. Surely don't need those feet.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: A man will carry you for you, a high value man,
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: all right. So anyway, if you want to have if
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  Speaker 1: you want to send a comment at anytime after the
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  Speaker 9: Men's right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
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  Speaker 9: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
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  Speaker 9: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
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  Speaker 9: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
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  Speaker 9: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked