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Buck Showalter Unfiltered: Skubal’s return, Basallo’s PT, Viral college ejection + Luino’s Mets checkup · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Buckle up, resident manager of FT's back. It's Buck show,
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Speaker 1: Walter Buck. It's great to see you. Great to catch up.
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Speaker 1: I mean everybody rolled down ready, No, no, we're up, Buck,
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you want me to be real. AJ
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Speaker 1: has a first place White Sox team that he watches
0:29
Speaker 1: in New York City during a Nick's epic run was
0:32
Speaker 1: out late. Eric Kratz is about to win a high
0:34
Speaker 1: school championship game, perhaps fingers crossed and Buck, we wanted
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Speaker 1: to start you off with this one. If you were
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Speaker 1: managing in that game in Vegas this week, how would
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Speaker 1: you do things? How would you you know, you know
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Speaker 1: your role. You got to be psychologist in addition to manager.
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Speaker 1: How would you talk to someone like Kyle Harrison who's
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Speaker 1: having a breakout year and in the cy Young conversation
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Speaker 1: and go, oops, you're starting and you gave a a
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Speaker 1: bunch because balls were pop ups turning into homers.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of.
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Speaker 3: All, there's nothing more important going on right now than
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Speaker 3: Eric's state championship. Okay, just let that be said. I
1:13
Speaker 3: remember we won the state championship my senior year. The
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Speaker 3: smallest public school in the state of Florida went down
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Speaker 3: to Tampa and beat Marty Lines and the Tampa Catholic team,
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Speaker 3: and I thought we had won the World Series. We
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Speaker 3: had two thousand people in our city. We came home
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Speaker 3: over the hill that night. The whole city turned out.
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Speaker 3: I remember it like yesterday. I tell you our lineup.
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Speaker 2: Okay, with that.
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Speaker 4: Being, wait, Buck, Wait, where'd you go to high school?
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Speaker 3: Century High School, Northwest Florida on the Florida Alabama line.
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Speaker 3: My dad was a principal. Try try that sometime.
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Speaker 2: Young man.
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Speaker 4: That's why I'm not a principal.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Jay, you know what.
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Speaker 3: They call it doubleheader sweep is when the White Sox
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Speaker 3: win and the Cubs lose.
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Speaker 4: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: That's what we sall the Mets. If we won and
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Speaker 3: they lost, it was a doubleheader sweep. Okay, that's right.
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Speaker 3: Las Vegas it's like Arizona. It's like Colorado. Take it
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Speaker 3: like a man, young man.
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Speaker 2: They all know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not going to cost him a cy
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Speaker 3: young maybe statistically in today's world looking at everything through
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Speaker 3: that prism.
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Speaker 2: You know, we went to Arizona.
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Speaker 3: We had a lot of people forget they're going to
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Speaker 3: have a roof over that, and that will change the
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Speaker 3: dynamics of it a little bit. But when I first
2:26
Speaker 3: got to the Diamondbacks, we had an interior fence from
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Speaker 3: left center to right center. And what you see there
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Speaker 3: now is what was behind the fence and wasn't supposed
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Speaker 3: to be anything but where it was. But we took in.
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Speaker 3: It was like three ninety to center. We took the
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Speaker 3: interior fence out. I said, guys, are y'all are you
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Speaker 3: watching spring train in Arizona? It's like fourteen to twelve
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Speaker 3: the ball flies. I mean, it's the second highest elevation
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Speaker 3: in baseball behind Colorado. Do you guys know who's third?
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Speaker 4: Atlanta? Atlanta?
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Speaker 2: Nice? Nice.
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Speaker 3: There's a catcher and somebody that hits them that know
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Speaker 3: that a lot of many people know that.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 4: Fuck.
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Speaker 5: I gotta ask you because Scott asked about Kyle Harrison
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Speaker 5: going first cy Young or he's in a sy Young
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Speaker 5: race show. Hey clearly has made it noted that he
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Speaker 5: wants to win a sy Young. How do you manage
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Speaker 5: guys like that? Because you're very much as a manager
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Speaker 5: your team first. How do you manage those situations? Are
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Speaker 5: you still able to suffice those players?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough one. You're trying to do what's
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Speaker 3: best for the team. You're also cutting them a little slack.
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Speaker 3: They're having a great year. You got to remind them
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Speaker 3: why they're having a great year. They're not being necessarily overused.
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Speaker 3: You're no good to us unless you're healthy. And you know,
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Speaker 3: when something when it comes down towards the end, if
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Speaker 3: you can do a little something to help them, I think,
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Speaker 3: you know. I mean we did that with Jeff McNeil.
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Speaker 3: He didn't ask for it, winning the batting title, but
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Speaker 3: I had all the mathematical equations of his oh for
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Speaker 3: this the last two days. And you know, Jeff have
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Speaker 3: done too much for one hundred and sixty one games
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Speaker 3: for us not to help him, and he didn't need
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Speaker 3: to help it, but I just thought it was worth it.
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Speaker 2: So uh, it's kind of a way to pay back.
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Speaker 3: A lot of those things come in to play the
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Speaker 3: last month, but what you do in April and may
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Speaker 3: sometimes plays a big factor in your physical status in
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Speaker 3: late season. I look at these relief pictures with so
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Speaker 3: many appearances, you're going to pay that Piper.
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Speaker 4: Louck, by the way, you're talking about the ballflyne and
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Speaker 4: this and that Arizona. I mean, like that time when
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Speaker 4: we were in Tucson, you would let us use the
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Speaker 4: indoor cages. It's fine. Look you got what you deserved
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Speaker 4: in Arizona, so thank you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually worked out real well. I mean I
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Speaker 3: think it was called our home ballpark.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 4: Okay, that's funny because when then then when the Tucson
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Speaker 4: Sidewinders came to Salt Lake, we didn't let them use
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Speaker 4: the inside cages. That changed the Greek text time. That
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Speaker 4: changed real quick. Book. You told Paul Maller he couldn't
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Speaker 4: hit inside because he was too good, I think, and
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Speaker 4: then he went out.
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Speaker 3: Accused of I's not true. So there's another rumor you've
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Speaker 3: helped us to spell. I never did that.
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Speaker 4: You've one hundred Paul Maller, the only Triple A games
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Speaker 4: you ever played. He got told he couldn't use the
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Speaker 4: indoor cage because Buck Showalter didn't want the visiting team
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Speaker 4: using that, and then he went out, I think any
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Speaker 4: hit for the cycle.
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Speaker 3: Let me tell you the factors that you don't know.
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Speaker 3: That was actually Chris Spire, our Triple A manager, and
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Speaker 3: he did tell me later on that he didn't want
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Speaker 3: them to hit there. So whatever you think, you're the
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Speaker 3: manager of the team, But that's another myth about Arizona
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Speaker 3: that we can just spell here on the show. Paul
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Speaker 3: Marcher didn't needly help him or hurting him to hit.
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Speaker 4: Trust me, true, that's true. That's true. All right, Bud,
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Speaker 4: Let's go to a different game, because that Vegas stuff
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Speaker 4: is crazy. But let's go to the game last night.
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Speaker 4: Did you see the Nationals in the Giants game where
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Speaker 4: they were up nine to one in the eight Have
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Speaker 4: you ever been a part of something like that? And
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Speaker 4: what's the manager's reaction when you win, and what's the
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Speaker 4: manager's reaction as you're watching your team collapse.
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Speaker 2: I don't think.
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Speaker 3: I don't think I've been a part of the flip
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Speaker 3: side of that. But people don't realize when you got
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Speaker 3: that many players at that level of skill, these are
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Speaker 3: the best players in the world. And when things start
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Speaker 3: snowballing good and bad. And that's why people go, gosh,
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Speaker 3: how do you lose twelve in a row? Well, the
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Speaker 3: same reason, how do you win twelve in a row?
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Speaker 3: It's like the inning gets away from you and you
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Speaker 3: can't stop it. There's just some people who don't normally
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Speaker 3: do things.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe he walked to guys in a row.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe that he hung a slider. Guys that
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Speaker 3: don't normally do things. It's just snowballs, and it's an
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Speaker 3: ugly feeling in a dugout, But it's a really good
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Speaker 3: feeling when you know there's just such a great karma
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Speaker 3: that everybody's waiting for something good to happen and the
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Speaker 3: other team's all sitting there waiting for something bad to fall.
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Speaker 3: It's an interesting dynamic.
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Speaker 5: Which one lasts longer, the bad feeling of blowing a
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Speaker 5: nine run lead or the great feeling of coming back
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Speaker 5: from nine runs.
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Speaker 3: I think Unfortunately they're about the same. You better have
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Speaker 3: about the same because the next pitch is thrown the
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Speaker 3: next day. People don't dwell on that. A lot of
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Speaker 3: fans or media or whatever, they dwell on it, but
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Speaker 3: you can't afford to. And that's great thing about our
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Speaker 3: game is it doesn't allow you to stay down too long.
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Speaker 3: There's an opportunity around the corner, and we're all gonna
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Speaker 3: seek our level. We live in a sports world. Everybody
7:20
Speaker 3: wants to know about something before it happens. Uh, we're
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Speaker 3: all trying to project things. I was always okay with
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Speaker 3: let's do it in real time.
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Speaker 2: That's fair.
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Speaker 5: What if you're managing the Tigers and Mets right now,
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Speaker 5: how are you.
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Speaker 3: I'll say this about the Giants and Nationals, I would
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Speaker 3: just be thinking about our pitching for the next day too.
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Speaker 3: You get through that game, you don't have time to
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Speaker 3: think about anything. You're trying to figure out how you're
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Speaker 3: going to get through the next game. You're hoping you
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Speaker 3: have an off day. You said, you said the White Sox.
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Speaker 3: Excuse me, The.
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Speaker 4: White Sox are on everyone's mind. Buck, White Sox are
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Speaker 4: on everybody's mind.
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Speaker 5: I'll leave I'll leave those questions for aj No. I
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Speaker 5: was asking about the Tigers and Mets, teams with high
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Speaker 5: expectations at this point in the season, where you manage it?
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Speaker 5: What is it? What is the difference that a manager
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Speaker 5: can make to turn this season around?
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you can't compound the problem. You've
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Speaker 3: got to be a consistent personality. You know, if you're
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Speaker 3: going like this with your emotions, that's how your team's
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Speaker 3: going to play too, because they're looking for they're just
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Speaker 3: looking for something they can count on and depend whether
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Speaker 3: it be a coaching staff and a manager, and you
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Speaker 3: know they've kind of they've kind of negated a lot
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Speaker 3: of the impact that managers have on a team from
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Speaker 3: that standpoint, especially if they if the players don't feel
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Speaker 3: like they've got a lot of impact on decisions in
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Speaker 3: that said organization. I'm sure each manager has a different
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Speaker 3: degree of input and whatever organization, how it's set up.
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Speaker 3: But I just think being consistent, because you know, thinking
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Speaker 3: that you will always play to your level, it'll separate
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Speaker 3: you baseball too many games and if you're good enough,
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Speaker 3: it's going to show up. If you're not, that's going
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Speaker 3: to show up. And I always took a little piece
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Speaker 3: in that. You know, what makes a really good managers
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Speaker 3: is really good players. You know, when we got better players,
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Speaker 3: I got smarter. When we sold off teams at the
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Speaker 3: trading deadline, I got dumber and dumber and dumber. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you got to keep that in mind. As a manager.
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Speaker 3: You don't ever say, well, we don't have very good players.
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Speaker 3: You never say that, but believe me, back at your hotel,
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Speaker 3: you're going, you know, we're not very good.
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Speaker 4: Fuck you never worked with Ozzie, obviously, because Ozzie would say,
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Speaker 4: you don't have very good players all the time, so
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Speaker 4: it was fine.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but it worked for them.
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Speaker 3: You had enough again where you could take that. You
10:39
Speaker 3: probably just gone up said yeah, all right, whatever, okay.
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Speaker 4: That's that's why Ozzie and I still get along, is
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Speaker 4: because I would laugh at his face, at him, at
10:46
Speaker 4: him being crazy. So uh but that's fine. Book. We
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Speaker 4: know you were always positive, and you were always on
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Speaker 4: top of your game, and you always just tried to
10:54
Speaker 4: pump everybody. You're the Joe Madden before Joe Madden. That's
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Speaker 4: always that's the stounded.
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Speaker 3: You know what you needed aja you needed one way.
11:01
Speaker 3: Mine could have been your clubby, it could have been
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Speaker 3: one of your coaches. You need somebody that you can
11:05
Speaker 3: close the door, drop your guard and let your hair
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Speaker 3: down and talk with a buddy and a bar, you know,
11:11
Speaker 3: and just kind of let it out. Feel confident. It's
11:14
Speaker 3: not going to leave the room, because we all have
11:16
Speaker 3: those type of ups and downs emotionally. You just can't
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Speaker 3: wear it outside your door.
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Speaker 4: That's why I always when we went to certain hotels,
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Speaker 4: the Fister in the Vanoi, I always wanted the room
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Speaker 4: to had the ghost in it because I could have
11:27
Speaker 4: stayed up up and talked Paul all night with them.
11:29
Speaker 4: But I never found a ghost. Buck so that's that
11:31
Speaker 4: was the traveling Secretary's fault. They never gave me the
11:33
Speaker 4: I know we were.
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Speaker 3: Headed the other way when they gave me a ghost
11:37
Speaker 3: room instead of the other room. How about the Milwaukee
11:40
Speaker 3: the Fister. You've been in the fester right many times.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
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Speaker 3: I go, I put up my scouting report out there,
11:47
Speaker 3: No big deal. I go back, go to sleep. Next day,
11:50
Speaker 3: I wake up and scouting reports all over the table.
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Speaker 4: Conditioner.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a no. No, I had a conversation
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Speaker 3: with the ghost. I just said, hey, listen, deal, you
12:00
Speaker 3: were here before I I just leave me alone. I'll
12:02
Speaker 3: leave you alone. That will be all right. And how
12:04
Speaker 3: would you pitch?
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Speaker 4: You know, the brewers exactly see you figuring out. But
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Speaker 4: speaking of how many players, I feel like when I've
12:13
Speaker 4: talked to guys that have played for you, you always
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Speaker 4: tried to explain little nuances and in little rules of
12:17
Speaker 4: the game. How many players that you had do you
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Speaker 4: think know the actual rules of the game, meaning base
12:23
Speaker 4: running you can do this, or just little nuances in
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Speaker 4: the game. I'm not talking the big rules three strikes
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Speaker 4: you're out, but just little nuances that a lot of
12:31
Speaker 4: guys don't seem to know.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't.
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Speaker 3: I always say it's not their fault, you know, with
12:37
Speaker 3: travel ball and year round baseball, and you know, getting
12:41
Speaker 3: a championship ring for winning an eight and under league.
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Speaker 2: I just I think.
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Speaker 3: I always took time in spring training and we talked
12:51
Speaker 3: about a rule a day, maybe sometimes to two, and
12:55
Speaker 3: we had banner back and forth. And it was never
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Speaker 3: meant to embarrass anybody, you know. I let them know
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Speaker 3: some things I'm not sure about, and it's great to
13:03
Speaker 3: know something that they don't know, you know, when you're
13:05
Speaker 3: dealing with umpires, you know, like the base pack, understanding
13:08
Speaker 3: the lane down the first baseline, by the way, we
13:10
Speaker 3: should put that bag over there, like college baseball has.
13:13
Speaker 3: That's a great idea understanding just you know, tag rules
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Speaker 3: and all the different things. It gives a team real
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Speaker 3: confidence to know that you know most of the important rules.
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Speaker 3: There's always little nuances of them, but you also get
13:28
Speaker 3: to know a look in an umpire's eyes when he's
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Speaker 3: not sure, when you know he's not sure about the rule,
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Speaker 3: and you try not to embarrass him. Most of them
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Speaker 3: are very good with it.
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Speaker 5: Have you been in a situation where you didn't know
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Speaker 5: the rule and you were told by the umpire and
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Speaker 5: then you went back and you were like, oh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 5: No, I just want I just want people to know that,
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Speaker 5: because that's what I've heard about you, that you knew
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Speaker 5: all the rules and you haven't that you have been
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Speaker 5: in that situation.
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Speaker 3: No, you can always trick you know, it's you can
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Speaker 3: always trick the dummy, so to speak. I can't say
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Speaker 3: I know them all, but there's always a little you know,
14:09
Speaker 3: did you know that? And you know, guys like Max Schurzer,
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Speaker 3: I was always not surprised, but how much they loved
14:16
Speaker 3: talking about that stuff. They loved gaining information. They're at
14:20
Speaker 3: such a thirst for knowledge that other people may not have,
14:23
Speaker 3: and it gives a team a lot of confidence to
14:25
Speaker 3: feel like they've got a little edge on different things
14:28
Speaker 3: about the infield fly rule and about you know, there's
14:32
Speaker 3: just so many little small rules that sometime they need
14:36
Speaker 3: to simplify, but you do need to take advantage of
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Speaker 3: them if you can.
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Speaker 4: Fuck you know, half the players don't even know what
14:41
Speaker 4: the infield fly roll is to this day. Come on,
14:43
Speaker 4: you've watched college games, you've watched high school games. That
14:46
Speaker 4: ball goes up and it hits the ground, pure panic
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Speaker 4: sets in on all the guys on the basis. So
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not it's uncommon.
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Speaker 3: If I took ten guys and said, okay, two guys
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Speaker 3: standing on third base at the same time, who's out
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Speaker 3: and who's not?
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Speaker 2: And who do you tag? And who do you not tag?
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Speaker 2: How me let me think you good answered the question?
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Speaker 4: How you took maybe four out of ten would get
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Speaker 4: it right? Yep.
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you catchers know a lot more rules than
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Speaker 2: other people. They had to we have to do it.
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Speaker 2: How do you think you would have done? Aj? How
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Speaker 2: do you how do you think you would have done
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Speaker 2: with the ABS? You think you had been good at it?
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Speaker 4: I would have got I would have got mad a
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Speaker 4: lot because I would have just been like, this is stupid.
15:24
Speaker 4: Or we could have been in Vegas and they ran.
15:26
Speaker 4: They didn't work. Buck, it didn't work. So they're the
15:28
Speaker 4: umpires like, hey, I call it rowing. No more guys,
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Speaker 4: no more top of the head. I don't know. I
15:33
Speaker 4: think it would have been It would have been a
15:35
Speaker 4: learning process. But at least, you know what. The only
15:37
Speaker 4: thing I'll say about I love the ABS. I think
15:39
Speaker 4: it's awesome at least you get a consistence, you get
15:42
Speaker 4: a consistent strike zone, right. I mean, you know Buck,
15:44
Speaker 4: when you played and when you were managing early. You know,
15:47
Speaker 4: back when Babe Ruth was playing, the dumpires changed their
15:50
Speaker 4: strike zones, right. And then when I kind of got there,
15:52
Speaker 4: we got a little tighter with the quest tech and
15:54
Speaker 4: the umpires were getting the discs after the game where
15:57
Speaker 4: they'd watch them. But you know, Babe Ruth, they wouldn't
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Speaker 4: call strikes some and then when you were hitting, the
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Speaker 4: strike zone got huge because they're like, he can't hit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I talked to Babe about that one time.
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Speaker 3: I asked him what he thought about it, and he said, hey,
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Speaker 3: be Babe Ruth, and then you get those pitches. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I don't. I wish I'd always had it. I can
16:17
Speaker 3: remember games there were such a vindictedness. They used to
16:21
Speaker 3: call ahead to the next crew. You'd go from New
16:23
Speaker 3: York to Seattle and Land and go out on the
16:26
Speaker 3: field and the umpire is talking about the last.
16:29
Speaker 2: Series because he talked to the crew chief. So it continued.
16:32
Speaker 3: Oh, especially they tried me as a rookie manager when
16:35
Speaker 3: I first went to the National League with Arizona. Oh,
16:38
Speaker 3: the first year. Oh man, they were calling us American
16:42
Speaker 3: League Harry's and they stuck it to us the first year,
16:46
Speaker 3: so you had to take it. If you took it properly,
16:49
Speaker 3: you got you got the benefit of the doubt the
16:50
Speaker 3: next year.
16:52
Speaker 5: Wait, what if you complained to your agent or complained
16:55
Speaker 5: to your front and then they and then they would
16:56
Speaker 5: write a letter.
16:57
Speaker 4: Isn't that how it works?
17:00
Speaker 2: Oh?
17:00
Speaker 3: That umpire was said, you wrote a letter. Your agent
17:03
Speaker 3: wrote a letter. Really well, ask him what kind of
17:05
Speaker 3: strikes on you've got this game?
17:08
Speaker 2: Man?
17:08
Speaker 3: It was, I mean balls in the other batter's box.
17:11
Speaker 3: Brady guys back and they were hitting for a higher
17:16
Speaker 3: average back then.
17:18
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
17:19
Speaker 3: What do you think would happen if the team's decided, Okay,
17:22
Speaker 3: we're going complete the other way. The only thing we're
17:24
Speaker 3: going after We are gonna wait contact hitters and defenders.
17:30
Speaker 3: Everybon in the field's got to be less than hunter
17:33
Speaker 3: strikeouts and have to be a plus defender. What kind
17:35
Speaker 3: of team you think you would put together it's a
17:36
Speaker 3: good bat or what do you think?
17:38
Speaker 5: Where the Tampa Bay raise at.
17:41
Speaker 2: Exactly?
17:42
Speaker 5: And everybody's saying they're changing the game, They're not changing
17:46
Speaker 5: the game. They're just allowing the guys to be successful
17:49
Speaker 5: at the things that they do. But even on this show,
17:51
Speaker 5: we asked, I asked Ken Roseal the other day, they're
17:54
Speaker 5: a top heavy lineup.
17:55
Speaker 4: They're a top heavy lineup.
17:57
Speaker 2: You know this team?
17:58
Speaker 5: Can this team have success in the playoffs? Well, you know,
18:01
Speaker 5: only one way to find out. They're in the playoffs
18:04
Speaker 5: right now. If it started today.
18:07
Speaker 2: I think the White Socks put it in play pretty good,
18:09
Speaker 2: don't they guys? No, I don't know.
18:11
Speaker 4: No, No, the swing, No, they try, they try, buck,
18:14
Speaker 4: but they can't bun. If you watch Will Available his
18:16
Speaker 4: press conference the other night, he's like, yeah, we pretty
18:18
Speaker 4: much suck it, Bunny, I don't know why. And then
18:20
Speaker 4: last night he went out and tried to bun again
18:22
Speaker 4: and they sucked again.
18:24
Speaker 3: Well, you'd like to think if we're going to continue
18:25
Speaker 3: to ask to do this and you don't want to
18:27
Speaker 3: embarrass yourself and fail, you might want to figure out
18:29
Speaker 3: how to do it. But there's two ways to look
18:32
Speaker 3: at that. Or do we just not let them do it?
18:34
Speaker 3: But they're not good once you learn how to do it.
18:37
Speaker 3: You were a good bunner.
18:39
Speaker 5: Oh, I love Bunny, and you're a good hitter too,
18:43
Speaker 5: So there's that's too always happier learned to bun.
18:48
Speaker 4: Then when Buck Showalter's team would put the third basement
18:50
Speaker 4: back with two outs and the run around there, and
18:52
Speaker 4: I could just go whoop and get the free RBI.
18:54
Speaker 4: And then I'd see Buck put his little hand in
18:56
Speaker 4: his pocket. Right here, there's a little two finger pocket,
18:58
Speaker 4: and you have to walk out to the mountain. He'd
18:59
Speaker 4: look give you the look out of the side of
19:01
Speaker 4: his eyes. He's mooddling out there. That's the best.
19:04
Speaker 3: You must have spent a lot of time noticing things
19:06
Speaker 3: about me, because you seem to know a lot of
19:08
Speaker 3: things that aren't necessarily true. But are you infatuated with me?
19:11
Speaker 2: Aj?
19:11
Speaker 4: I am Buck. You know what, I'm very observing. You
19:14
Speaker 4: should ask You should ask people about me. I observe
19:16
Speaker 4: a lot of things, and I also have a mind
19:18
Speaker 4: like an elephant, where I just remember stupid stuff all
19:21
Speaker 4: the time, like the most random stuff I remember. So
19:24
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's fine, But I told you I
19:26
Speaker 4: gave you props the one time you did a play,
19:28
Speaker 4: and I still wish more people would do it. The
19:31
Speaker 4: old bunt and run where the runner steals you have
19:34
Speaker 4: the guy bunnet to the third and the guy just
19:35
Speaker 4: keeps going. And it's a race the third with the
19:38
Speaker 4: catcher in the in the in the in the runner,
19:40
Speaker 4: and the catcher loses every time because the first baseman
19:42
Speaker 4: can't hit a guy in the run.
19:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, that stuff's been handed down from generation. I mean
19:47
Speaker 3: you learned Billy Martin used to talk about that play.
19:50
Speaker 2: I tell you to play.
19:50
Speaker 3: The indefensible play in baseball is first and third and
19:55
Speaker 3: then the old National League with where you bun the
20:00
Speaker 3: ball to the third basement and if he throws the
20:02
Speaker 3: ball to second or first, a runner at third scores.
20:06
Speaker 3: And if he doesn't have anybody to throw the ball to,
20:09
Speaker 3: if he attacks the runner at third, then all the
20:12
Speaker 3: runners are safe. And Matt Williams and I spend a
20:15
Speaker 3: lot of time trying to defend that play. It was
20:17
Speaker 3: a big play in the National League. How would you
20:19
Speaker 3: defend it? I want to hear this first and third,
20:21
Speaker 3: less than two outs, pitcher bunning bumps the ball to
20:24
Speaker 3: the third basemin where the runner just walks down with
20:26
Speaker 3: a third basement.
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Speaker 5: To have a good third basement, you have to have
21:32
Speaker 5: a good third Basementho's not afraid to be able to
21:34
Speaker 5: read it with the runner.
21:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the runners behind you. If you turn towards them,
21:39
Speaker 3: he just goes back to third and ebuddy's safe.
21:42
Speaker 5: You don't think the third baseman can feel the bunt
21:46
Speaker 5: and look them back.
21:48
Speaker 3: No, because he's behind you. You're not putting any fear
21:51
Speaker 3: in him. He knows you can't tag Hi because he's
21:52
Speaker 3: behind you. But as soon as you throw the ball
21:55
Speaker 3: from almost half third of the way down, you just
21:58
Speaker 3: walk across the plate. Matt Williams was it. He finally
22:01
Speaker 3: caught the Giants with it. Dusty used to do it.
22:04
Speaker 3: He came up, barely, looked at the guy. We gave
22:06
Speaker 3: him a token look and then arm fake the first
22:08
Speaker 3: base and then it gave him time to get behind
22:11
Speaker 3: the runner and.
22:12
Speaker 2: For the shortstop to get over to third. Brilliant.
22:14
Speaker 3: You know we kept We talked and talked and talk
22:16
Speaker 3: about it in Matshley. What if I arm fake the
22:18
Speaker 3: first try it and we caught? I think it was
22:21
Speaker 3: hard Bnard, I.
22:22
Speaker 2: Think it was.
22:24
Speaker 4: Yeah.
22:24
Speaker 5: You need an aggressive runner on third that's willing to get,
22:28
Speaker 5: you know, get going as soon as the arm fake happens,
22:30
Speaker 5: but you should be an arm fake and still be
22:32
Speaker 5: able to get the guy first if you turn around.
22:34
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think we call it the
22:38
Speaker 2: karate kid play. Remember the indefensible move or whatever it was.
22:42
Speaker 5: No, I hear you, I hear you, all right. An
22:43
Speaker 5: indefensible picture I got to ask you about is Terrek
22:46
Speaker 5: scouble Terrek Scoubel's on his way back. You have the
22:50
Speaker 5: best pitcher in the world, one of the top two
22:53
Speaker 5: best pictures in the world, coming back from an injury
22:56
Speaker 5: that you're like, Okay, probably wasn't that bad. You're the
22:59
Speaker 5: manager of a team that's many games under five hundred.
23:03
Speaker 5: Do you treat him any different? Knowing that either he
23:07
Speaker 5: has to be perfect and you guys get slowly back
23:09
Speaker 5: in the race, or he is a trade chip that
23:12
Speaker 5: will possibly change the trajectory of the next few years
23:17
Speaker 5: of your organization.
23:18
Speaker 3: I think that's why it's important relationship between the manager
23:21
Speaker 3: and the front office or making a decisions. They let
23:23
Speaker 3: you know exactly it used to be years ago. You
23:26
Speaker 3: never want to go on the last end of a
23:29
Speaker 3: contract manager and a team because he wasn't always doing
23:33
Speaker 3: things for the long game, you know, making sure that
23:36
Speaker 3: guys were going to be healthy. If you knew that
23:38
Speaker 3: scoopl is going to be back with you might look
23:39
Speaker 3: at him a little differently. I think you always try
23:43
Speaker 3: to do what's best for your picture. You know, what
23:45
Speaker 3: are you going to do? Hey, we're we're not going
23:47
Speaker 3: to trade him. Let's try to finish above five hundred
23:50
Speaker 3: so that I can keep my job. Now that's a
23:53
Speaker 3: bad way to look at it, but there's three scenarios there.
23:56
Speaker 3: You're going to trade him, you're going to keep him,
23:58
Speaker 3: and you make sure that you're manager knows that he's
24:00
Speaker 3: going to be there for a long time. I mean,
24:02
Speaker 3: aj Hinch is a pretty established guy, but he's pretty
24:05
Speaker 3: special before you start entertaining thoughts of moving him. That's
24:10
Speaker 3: you're always looking for that guy, and you've got him,
24:13
Speaker 3: and I know you can get a lot back, But
24:15
Speaker 3: who's making the decisions on what is fair to get
24:19
Speaker 3: back for him? I mean, the world's full of those
24:22
Speaker 3: four and five for ones that end up with a
24:24
Speaker 3: backup catcher, a utility infielder and a longer lever and
24:28
Speaker 3: a fourth outfielder. You don't have impactful guys. Very seldom
24:31
Speaker 3: do you get them.
24:34
Speaker 4: Buck Only if you're the White Sox. You trade cair crocheted,
24:36
Speaker 4: you get four impact guys back just saying just Sam Buck.
24:39
Speaker 4: But you know, back to the White Sox.
24:42
Speaker 2: That's why I just said, it depends on who's picking
24:43
Speaker 2: the players.
24:45
Speaker 4: All right, So we have I have two more questions
24:47
Speaker 4: for you. One, I got to ask about one of
24:48
Speaker 4: your old teams, man, you had a lot of old teams.
24:50
Speaker 2: Buck.
24:51
Speaker 4: But since we're showing you an Orioles uniform, Samuel Bassaio
24:55
Speaker 4: and and I'll be over there kind of going back
24:57
Speaker 4: and forth about Bysio not one to play when he's
25:00
Speaker 4: heard beside us saying I'm playing through stuff. How do
25:02
Speaker 4: you handle this with the young guy as a manager.
25:05
Speaker 2: That's a good question. It's you know, I try not
25:09
Speaker 2: to blame the players because we kind of create some
25:12
Speaker 2: of this. You know. It's like going to the doctor.
25:15
Speaker 2: Is it hurt and own? Is it hurt? Own? Does
25:16
Speaker 2: it hurt? There is a hurt.
25:17
Speaker 3: Well after a while you go, well, I guess I'm
25:19
Speaker 3: supposed to hurt. I mean, this is not a normal
25:22
Speaker 3: thing to do to your body. It's like, you got
25:24
Speaker 3: to know the difference between being hurt and being injured.
25:26
Speaker 3: But everybody's a little different with their makeup, and but
25:29
Speaker 3: if you look at where they're coming from in minor leagues,
25:32
Speaker 3: especially when they reach prospect status, it's like, we feel
25:36
Speaker 3: like they've got to feel perfect to play and those days.
25:39
Speaker 3: The last time you felt one hundred percent, you two guys,
25:42
Speaker 3: was when you got out of the car in spring training.
25:44
Speaker 3: And it's just different degrees of what percent you have
25:47
Speaker 3: to offer. It's a very taxing thing. But someone's got
25:51
Speaker 3: to help teach that. But you have to be careful
25:53
Speaker 3: as a manager because there might be you know, you
25:55
Speaker 3: always got to give the player credit that he's being
25:57
Speaker 3: completely frank and honest with you, But a lot of
25:59
Speaker 3: time it's a it's a process or a feeling that
26:03
Speaker 3: he's acquired through how you've handled him. How's that with
26:07
Speaker 3: a nice way to say it.
26:09
Speaker 4: We can talk about the minor leagues and the problems
26:11
Speaker 4: they have in the minor leagues for for hours. We
26:13
Speaker 4: don't have time for that today, Buck, because I'm sure
26:15
Speaker 4: you have to get out and go to Early Bird
26:18
Speaker 4: Special wherever you are these days for dinner.
26:20
Speaker 3: Soj's an awful mean to me today, you know that.
26:25
Speaker 4: I know, just wait, just wait till my next question.
26:27
Speaker 4: Then you're really gonna want to.
26:28
Speaker 2: Go, I'll just wait till I get off the air.
26:34
Speaker 4: Look, I guess I do want to know. Did you
26:36
Speaker 4: happen to see your favorite team play this past weekend?
26:39
Speaker 2: The Savannah Bananas?
26:41
Speaker 4: No, No, the Mississippi State Bulldogs.
26:46
Speaker 2: Do you mean when they won the regional or when
26:48
Speaker 2: they lost the super regional?
26:49
Speaker 4: When they lost the super Regional and gave up about
26:52
Speaker 4: fifteen homers and hit fifteen overs? That was and then
26:55
Speaker 4: the guy got kicked out for Georgia for talking trash
26:59
Speaker 4: to their duck.
27:00
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that, okay, number one? The other team
27:03
Speaker 3: gave up a lot of home runs too. They just
27:05
Speaker 3: gave up one left home run. I think that was
27:08
Speaker 3: not a pitching proless. First of all, the ballpark in
27:11
Speaker 3: Georgia was small. You notice how they've made all that.
27:14
Speaker 3: The ballpark at Mississippi State. They brought the fences in.
27:17
Speaker 3: I mean these things, these places are small. Their ball
27:19
Speaker 3: is harder, tighter wound. It's tough to be a picture.
27:23
Speaker 3: And how about scouts trying to project those guys? What
27:26
Speaker 3: were you guys take on the Georgia A guy that
27:29
Speaker 3: got suspended and ejected.
27:30
Speaker 4: I want to hear this, Listen, I don't have a
27:33
Speaker 4: problem with it. Everyone does this, the guy. Everyone does
27:37
Speaker 4: this right book. This is the way you mentioned about
27:39
Speaker 4: travel balling about this, and that everybody does this all
27:42
Speaker 4: the time. It's not a big deal when you look
27:44
Speaker 4: at the other dugout like he did, and he said
27:46
Speaker 4: he was looking at his parents, which okay, fine, maybe
27:49
Speaker 4: he was, maybe he wasn't. But when you directly look
27:51
Speaker 4: at the other dugout. But if you're celebrating with your
27:53
Speaker 4: own team and your doug out. I used to say
27:55
Speaker 4: this all the time, even back when everything, any emotion
27:58
Speaker 4: was frowned upon it all. If you hit a walk
28:02
Speaker 4: off homer and I'm catching, you can do whatever you
28:04
Speaker 4: want because the game's over. Like if you want to
28:07
Speaker 4: throw a fiesta and run around and do all kinds
28:09
Speaker 4: of stuff, shoot the confetti. Fine, now, if you do
28:11
Speaker 4: that and you're down ten to nothing or you're winning
28:14
Speaker 4: ten to nothing, then and we're gonna have a little
28:15
Speaker 4: different conversation. But if you hit a walkoff homer, the
28:18
Speaker 4: game's over. I'm trying to get the heck off the
28:20
Speaker 4: field anyways, I'm not really paying attention to what you
28:23
Speaker 4: do at that point. But as long as you do
28:24
Speaker 4: with your own team. I don't really have a problem
28:26
Speaker 4: with it because pitchers, when they punched you out, they'd
28:29
Speaker 4: fist bump you, and you know, then if I got
28:31
Speaker 4: a hit, I'd flip my beat. So it was kind
28:32
Speaker 4: of tit for tat.
28:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not a walk off, but I agree
28:37
Speaker 2: with most of it.
28:38
Speaker 5: Eric, What do you think I coach high school baseball?
28:42
Speaker 5: I lean towards the You respect the people you play against,
28:46
Speaker 5: and you cheer for your team. Don't make stupid noises
28:49
Speaker 5: when the other team's pitching. Don't be better than them.
28:52
Speaker 5: I expect my players to be better than them, and
28:55
Speaker 5: the emotions get there, so when we get off the
28:57
Speaker 5: rails a little bit, it's my job to bring them back.
29:00
Speaker 5: So displays like that in college baseball, in my opinion,
29:05
Speaker 5: it's a head coach's fault.
29:07
Speaker 3: You know what I look at, I sometimes wonder it
29:10
Speaker 3: just seems like sometimes we've lost a sense of sportsmanship,
29:14
Speaker 3: of respecting our opponents. Maybe that's going away, that's okay.
29:17
Speaker 3: But I tell you what I started doing the last
29:19
Speaker 3: five or six years I managed. I would look when
29:21
Speaker 3: someone would do something on the field that normally would
29:23
Speaker 3: bring a reaction when I played, I looked down the
29:26
Speaker 3: dugout and if nobody cares and nobody says anything, you know,
29:30
Speaker 3: I don't want to go, hey, guys, you're supposed to
29:32
Speaker 3: be mad at that. You don't you don't stick them
29:35
Speaker 3: with the way you were brought up in the game
29:36
Speaker 3: to a point, but I did want to see some
29:39
Speaker 3: sportsmanship and just you know, I have respect for your
29:42
Speaker 3: opponent as long as they're deserving of that respect. Sometimes
29:46
Speaker 3: they're not because of something that happens. Like I've said
29:48
Speaker 3: many times, there's nothing worse than being on the field
29:51
Speaker 3: and whether it's a fight or a brawl or a
29:54
Speaker 3: push shove thing, and that you're fighting for an unjust cause.
29:58
Speaker 3: And I used to tell I told Manny Micheada s Manny,
30:00
Speaker 3: we're gonna be behind you all the time, but you've
30:03
Speaker 3: got to put us out there for a just cause.
30:05
Speaker 3: We can't be out there because you or somebody one
30:08
Speaker 3: of our teammate, your teammates have done something stupid that's
30:11
Speaker 3: uncompliment And I tell you, you get somebody hurt and
30:13
Speaker 3: unjust cause you're not happy.
30:15
Speaker 2: As a manager.
30:16
Speaker 3: So I don't know, Uh, the SEC has a rule
30:20
Speaker 3: and he didn't follow it and he got suspended, So
30:23
Speaker 3: I don't blame the umpires. Some people think it was
30:26
Speaker 3: over the top, some people don't. But he's a good player.
30:29
Speaker 3: He's going to get drafted, probably in the first five rounds.
30:34
Speaker 1: The key copy out there is you don't know what's
30:36
Speaker 1: going on, right if someone said something to you, So
30:39
Speaker 1: now we're just eliminating at any kind of interaction. It's
30:42
Speaker 1: not like they're punching each other. You can't make any
30:44
Speaker 1: interaction ever towards someone.
30:47
Speaker 2: No. Never.
30:48
Speaker 4: That one was a little tough though, because as he
30:50
Speaker 4: was running around the bases, every single player was saying something,
30:54
Speaker 4: So there was obviously something going wrong, something going on,
30:57
Speaker 4: because I mean literally, first Baseman said something, Say Basement
31:00
Speaker 4: said something, short Stuff said something, Third Basement said something.
31:03
Speaker 4: Every single guy on the other team said something to him. So, hey, whatever, Buck,
31:06
Speaker 4: But you also know this when you were managing, I
31:10
Speaker 4: always said this. I always wish people would do this
31:12
Speaker 4: right if I if someone on my team did something stupid, right,
31:16
Speaker 4: they always threw at me. You threw at me many times. Fine,
31:18
Speaker 4: I don't care, I would wear it right. But when
31:21
Speaker 4: someone on the someone like I think it was Delman
31:24
Speaker 4: Young did the best. He got hit when he was
31:26
Speaker 4: at the Twins. He wasn't mad at the Tigers. He
31:29
Speaker 4: was mad at the guy on his own team that
31:30
Speaker 4: did the dumb thing, and he went he yelled at
31:32
Speaker 4: his own team. Right if I got hit for someone
31:35
Speaker 4: that did some on my team, I'm like, look, I
31:37
Speaker 4: do enough dumb stuff. Let me do my own dumb
31:39
Speaker 4: stuff so I can get hit. Don't you do it.
31:41
Speaker 4: I'll take it for you, but let me do my
31:43
Speaker 4: own dumb shit to get hit. Oh sorry, I.
31:46
Speaker 2: Used to think about it.
31:47
Speaker 3: Why didn't okay, say you got a pitcher and a
31:50
Speaker 3: and a hitter that are mad at each other and
31:53
Speaker 3: supposedly want to fight. Everybody should stand off the side.
31:56
Speaker 3: Let those two guys fight. Guys, just two guys stay
32:01
Speaker 3: in the bullpen. You can get up next to the fence. Uh,
32:04
Speaker 3: But two guys go ahead, and y'all you'll find out
32:07
Speaker 3: how much you want to fight. It's like my dad,
32:09
Speaker 3: and when guys would fight in school, he'd put them
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Speaker 3: so you guys go ahead and fight, and after about
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Speaker 1: Exactly. That's how most baseball dust ups. Sorry, it's not hockey.
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Speaker 1: Most of the time. It's I'm going out there.
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Speaker 2: Hold me back. We can show we'll call. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Hey, you know I tell our guys, I said, listen,
32:31
Speaker 3: if you want him, go getting If you don't, just
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Speaker 1: Yep, well, Buck, this was fantastic on behalf of my
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys send me all the mean things that
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Speaker 1: Our team is working on it. We're going to make
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Speaker 4: And also meaning sometimes the truth hurts, Buck, the truth
33:03
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Speaker 2: If you want to go there, we can expose it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, next time, take two. So anyway, we got to run.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk Mets or Nicks or both with Mark
34:26
Speaker 1: Luino aka Draftneck Mark, one of the star hosts of
34:30
Speaker 1: Mets Up. Mark, good to see you, man. We do
34:34
Speaker 1: need to start with the Mets. We eventually can get
34:36
Speaker 1: to happier times, but let's start on the depressing side
34:38
Speaker 1: of things, as they're making the Saint Louis Cardinals right
34:41
Speaker 1: now look like the best team in baseball. They won
34:42
Speaker 1: five games in a row and they're spanking. I'm talking
34:44
Speaker 1: about Saint Louis.
34:45
Speaker 2: What's up? Where are we at right now?
34:47
Speaker 3: Yeah?
34:47
Speaker 6: I feel like it's the same thing for like the
34:49
Speaker 6: last month, where the Mets will play decent baseball and
34:52
Speaker 6: then they'll come home and they'll play bad baseball. Just
34:55
Speaker 6: one of the most inconsistent Mets teams out I've seen
34:57
Speaker 6: in a long time.
34:58
Speaker 7: And that says a lot, because the Mets.
34:59
Speaker 6: Are not not good historically, especially in my lifetime. But
35:02
Speaker 6: this team just can't seem to get it going. And
35:05
Speaker 6: like you said, they have this amazing ability to make
35:07
Speaker 6: these other teams look like the best teams in baseball
35:10
Speaker 6: on a nightly basis, and they're doing it again with
35:12
Speaker 6: the Cardinals. The Cardinals are about to sweep us at home,
35:14
Speaker 6: which is frankly unacceptable.
35:20
Speaker 4: Mark, what's wrong? I mean What's what's the biggest flaw
35:22
Speaker 4: you see on this Mets team? Is it the pitching?
35:25
Speaker 4: Because we all because we came into thinking like they
35:27
Speaker 4: don't have enough pitching, right, but then they go get
35:29
Speaker 4: Freddy Perrault and he struggled. But the offense hasn't been great.
35:32
Speaker 4: They've tried calling up some young guys. You know, the
35:34
Speaker 4: injuries obviously, but what do you think is the bigger
35:37
Speaker 4: problem that the Mets have to try to make up for.
35:40
Speaker 6: I mean, it's crazy to say, but they have just
35:42
Speaker 6: so many problems. Their biggest problem is that they don't
35:44
Speaker 6: just have one problem. Like you look at the offense
35:46
Speaker 6: and while Bobashett hit a home run today, Bobashett having
35:49
Speaker 6: a six to eleven ops on June eleventh is pretty unacceptable.
35:53
Speaker 6: Marcus Simeon coming in being trained for Brandon Nimo, I
35:55
Speaker 6: know Nimo struggled a little bit, but Marcus Simons still
35:58
Speaker 6: not really playing the baseball we expect from him. Wan
36:01
Speaker 6: Soto has been great, but when he's not playing hero ball,
36:03
Speaker 6: the Mets do have an issue scoring runs at times,
36:06
Speaker 6: which is super frustrating. Like shout out Carson Bench, He's
36:09
Speaker 6: been incredible over the last month and a half. But
36:11
Speaker 6: really they need other guys on this offense to step up,
36:14
Speaker 6: and they need some health to come back. Like the
36:16
Speaker 6: fact that we have no idea when Jorge Polanco is
36:19
Speaker 6: ever gonna play for the New York Mets again is terrifying.
36:21
Speaker 6: Luis Robert same thing. We have no idea when he's
36:23
Speaker 6: gonna play for the Mets. Francisco Lindor might come back
36:26
Speaker 6: by the end of the month, but it's gonna be
36:28
Speaker 6: too late at that point. Is it gonna be able
36:30
Speaker 6: to salvage the season, We don't know. And then you
36:32
Speaker 6: go to the pitching side. Clay Holmes broke his broke
36:35
Speaker 6: a bone in his leg. He's gonna be out for
36:36
Speaker 6: some time. Code I Sang has been injured. You can't
36:39
Speaker 6: really rely on this twenty six man roster when this
36:42
Speaker 6: wasn't the twenty six man roster they initially intended. And
36:45
Speaker 6: then you look at the management. I don't know if
36:47
Speaker 6: carls Mendoza has been as sharp as we need him
36:50
Speaker 6: to be with the way that this team has been performing.
36:52
Speaker 6: I think David Stearns has a lot of blame here
36:54
Speaker 6: with the guys that he's brought in. The performance is
36:56
Speaker 6: the depth of this organization. Everything is just not up
37:00
Speaker 6: to standard. And like you said, what is their biggest problem.
37:02
Speaker 6: The biggest problem right now is that they are the
37:03
Speaker 6: New York Mets and they can't get out of their
37:06
Speaker 6: own way, seemingly.
37:07
Speaker 1: So I want to dive into the injury component here
37:11
Speaker 1: with you, Mark. I think the team is building up
37:13
Speaker 1: better in the farm system over the last few years.
37:16
Speaker 1: Right We've seen a number of players come up here
37:18
Speaker 1: like Eing and benj contributing right now to the outfield.
37:22
Speaker 1: The problem I have, I think is now reversed, is
37:24
Speaker 1: you need healthy core of players in the big leagues
37:29
Speaker 1: and then if there is an injury issue here and there,
37:31
Speaker 1: especially to your position players, which should be less than
37:33
Speaker 1: your pitchers on most teams, then someone comes it in
37:36
Speaker 1: to fill that spot. For me, one of the severe
37:39
Speaker 1: misses I think was how they miscalculated some of the
37:43
Speaker 1: players they were bringing in and their injury passed. And
37:46
Speaker 1: the easy ones to pick on here are Polanco and
37:50
Speaker 1: Luis Roberts. So your thoughts on the way that they
37:52
Speaker 1: were evaluating players that they were bringing in and how
37:54
Speaker 1: much that's hurting the team too, because yes, every team
37:57
Speaker 1: goes through injuries, but the easiest way to predict injuries
37:59
Speaker 1: is to look injury history, and that's what they did.
38:01
Speaker 1: They replaced guys that play every freaking day, like Pete
38:05
Speaker 1: Alonso and Brandon Nimo with guys like this.
38:08
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's that was a major oversight miscalculation by
38:12
Speaker 6: the front office. The fact that Hora Polanco for the
38:15
Speaker 6: last five or six years really hasn't been the most
38:17
Speaker 6: healthy player consistently, and a lot of the injuries have
38:20
Speaker 6: been lower body things. For Polanco, that was something that
38:22
Speaker 6: we should have considered when we signed him earlier, very
38:25
Speaker 6: early in the offseason. Same thing with Louise Robert, where
38:28
Speaker 6: that guy has almost never played a healthy season outside
38:30
Speaker 6: the one year he was like a top ten MVP candidate.
38:33
Speaker 6: He has a hard time staying on the field and
38:35
Speaker 6: to rely offensively on those guys to fill holes for
38:38
Speaker 6: a team that needed holes to be filled offensively because
38:41
Speaker 6: they lost so many guys that you know, the organization
38:43
Speaker 6: chose to.
38:44
Speaker 7: Not bring back or chose to trade away.
38:46
Speaker 6: It was pretty I don't want to I don't know
38:49
Speaker 6: if irresponsible is the right word to use, but it
38:51
Speaker 6: was a major oversight by the front office, and I
38:53
Speaker 6: am shocked that the Mets did have that oversight, just
38:56
Speaker 6: because this was something that I feel like everybody in
38:59
Speaker 6: baseball thought that the Mets went healthy, We're going to
39:01
Speaker 6: be good. But the problem was if they were going
39:03
Speaker 6: to be healthy, And it seems like the Mets didn't
39:05
Speaker 6: calculate for that, like fifty to fifty of not being
39:08
Speaker 6: healthy with the guys that they brought in, and it's
39:10
Speaker 6: really really hurt this team. The young guys has been great,
39:13
Speaker 6: but they just can't do it all.
39:16
Speaker 4: They can't. They can't. That's why you're bringing a guy
39:18
Speaker 4: like Marcus Simeon, but he was already he already had
39:21
Speaker 4: has kind of started to decline, And now everybody's saying, oh, well,
39:24
Speaker 4: Marcus Simeon, Marcus Simeon, but this is kind of what
39:27
Speaker 4: he's been for the last couple of years.
39:28
Speaker 2: Right.
39:29
Speaker 4: They brought him in for defense, but now the Mets
39:31
Speaker 4: fans went him to be offensive player. Right. Meanwhile, Brandon
39:35
Speaker 4: Emo just goes down rinks just.
39:36
Speaker 6: Saying yeah, I mean, I think right now Simon is
39:39
Speaker 6: playing better, but from like the stuff under the hood,
39:42
Speaker 6: it just seems like he's playing better. We don't necessarily
39:44
Speaker 6: know if there's been like this huge change in what
39:46
Speaker 6: he's done. I've been really more disappointed in his defense.
39:48
Speaker 6: I thought that at the absolute worst, he was gonna
39:51
Speaker 6: be a plus defender at second base, and right now
39:52
Speaker 6: he's not really grading out that way. He's grading out
39:55
Speaker 6: league average at best, which with that offense, like you said, AJ,
39:58
Speaker 6: that's been kind of declining year over year as Marcus
40:00
Speaker 6: Simian's getting older. It's a scary thought that we're now
40:03
Speaker 6: attached to him for a couple more years. When we
40:06
Speaker 6: moved on from NEMO because we didn't like that contract
40:08
Speaker 6: and what it could look like as he gets older,
40:11
Speaker 6: and it seems like we've taken on another one that's
40:14
Speaker 6: honestly just as tough on the team financially and in
40:17
Speaker 6: terms of performance. It's it's a messy situation, something that
40:21
Speaker 6: I didn't think David Stearns would be getting this organization
40:24
Speaker 6: into when they brought him in, had a lot of
40:26
Speaker 6: faith in him. And it's like the first time in
40:28
Speaker 6: a long time that I actually started to waver a
40:31
Speaker 6: lot on what's going on here with the Mets front
40:32
Speaker 6: office and their decisions.
40:34
Speaker 1: Right you want to see teams win trades, especially when
40:36
Speaker 1: they're trades that are involving a lot of money, and
40:39
Speaker 1: usually it takes some time to evaluate those deals. I
40:42
Speaker 1: can't see a path where they didn't get walloped in
40:44
Speaker 1: this trade. I don't think Brandon Nemo is suddenly going
40:46
Speaker 1: down the toilet, and I don't think Marcus Semi and
40:48
Speaker 1: suddenly finding what he was from four years ago.
40:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:52
Speaker 6: Like I know, a lot of Mets fans right now
40:53
Speaker 6: like to point out that brand Nemo has been cold
40:55
Speaker 6: over the last month and Mark Suman has been playing better,
40:57
Speaker 6: but it's it's a small sample, and I do think
40:59
Speaker 6: over the length of this contract, brand Nimo's going to
41:01
Speaker 6: be the better offensive player. We expected Simeon to be
41:04
Speaker 6: the better defensive player, and the fact that he's not
41:07
Speaker 6: there makes his trade so so lopsided for the Rangers.
41:10
Speaker 6: And I think every Mets fan, and I even think
41:12
Speaker 6: the front office included expected Brandon Nimo to always be
41:15
Speaker 6: that better offensive player than Simeon. But I think they
41:18
Speaker 6: thought that Simeon was going to be able to bring
41:20
Speaker 6: that value elsewhere and he's just not doing that right now,
41:23
Speaker 6: which is part of the problem. This team's just not
41:25
Speaker 6: really strong anywhere on any side of the ball besides
41:28
Speaker 6: the bullpen.
41:29
Speaker 7: Weirdly enough, I think.
41:31
Speaker 4: Mark I Freddy Perotto came in and was supposed to
41:33
Speaker 4: be the ace, McLean Ohan McLain was supposed to take
41:36
Speaker 4: a step forward. They've both struggled with control. Freddy hasn't
41:40
Speaker 4: been able to go deep into the game. Is this
41:42
Speaker 4: they let go of their pitching coach and the Braves
41:44
Speaker 4: pitchers are pretty darn good and he's in their division.
41:47
Speaker 4: Is this one of those buyers remorse where they maybe
41:50
Speaker 4: we should have kept having it around a little bit
41:51
Speaker 4: longer and not gone to what they've gone Or is
41:54
Speaker 4: this just a neat move that needed to be made.
41:56
Speaker 6: I think, you know, on the Best of the Podcast,
41:58
Speaker 6: we've been huge fans of Jeremy Hefner, while James even
42:00
Speaker 6: had a jersey of him. So like, we hated to
42:03
Speaker 6: see Jeremy Hefner go just because we've seen firsthand what
42:06
Speaker 6: he has done to pitchers that had been subpar, pitchers
42:09
Speaker 6: that had been average, pitchers have been great and he
42:11
Speaker 6: gets the most out of them. And something that we
42:13
Speaker 6: heard from players when we spoke to them about Jeremy
42:15
Speaker 6: Hefner was that he does an incredible job of taking
42:18
Speaker 6: in those analytics, taking in that data and making it
42:20
Speaker 6: palatable for the players so that they understand what they
42:22
Speaker 6: need to do. Justin Willard is a great pitching mind,
42:26
Speaker 6: but maybe right now this job could be a little
42:29
Speaker 6: bit more difficult than expected for him, a guy who
42:32
Speaker 6: is a little bit more behind the scenes in the past,
42:34
Speaker 6: now being in charge of entire pitching staff. It is
42:36
Speaker 6: super disappointing how Freddy Prawult has pitched this year. It's
42:39
Speaker 6: pretty disappointing how nol McLean's looked at. The one thing
42:42
Speaker 6: I'll give him Maclain is at least he's going a
42:43
Speaker 6: little bit deeper in games, where Freddy has been kind
42:46
Speaker 6: of a five inning guy this year, not really giving
42:48
Speaker 6: us length, and that's something that's existed his entire career.
42:51
Speaker 6: But those two guys, if the Mets won any chance,
42:54
Speaker 6: especially with the anemic offense that they have it's one
42:56
Speaker 6: of the worst in the league. They need those frontline
42:58
Speaker 6: guys to be They need to be stoppers, and they're
43:02
Speaker 6: just not pitching at that level right now.
43:03
Speaker 1: It's pretty frustrating a question for you on this topic,
43:07
Speaker 1: and this is much less against Justin Willard as it
43:11
Speaker 1: is for Jeremy Haffner. I don't know a lot about Willard.
43:14
Speaker 1: I knew a lot more about Haffner, and he's been
43:16
Speaker 1: around and was with the Mets for a while. You're
43:19
Speaker 1: in it every day, right, watching every pitch. How much
43:22
Speaker 1: of a factor do you think them canning Heffner has
43:26
Speaker 1: been he goes over to Atlanta, they are freaking lights
43:29
Speaker 1: out on all departments. Some guys emerging that you did
43:32
Speaker 1: not think we're going to emerge and pitch well, including
43:34
Speaker 1: even like Martine Perez is striking dudes out like just
43:37
Speaker 1: amazing work that. I felt like we saw a lot
43:39
Speaker 1: from Haffner over those years, and then all of a
43:41
Speaker 1: sudden they just get rid of all the coaches. So, yeah,
43:45
Speaker 1: the Bullpen's had some bright spots like that, But for
43:47
Speaker 1: the most part, how much of a difference do you
43:49
Speaker 1: think it made for them to get rid of someone
43:51
Speaker 1: who maybe didn't deserve that?
43:54
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do think it is a difference maker for
43:56
Speaker 7: this team.
43:57
Speaker 6: I think the way I like to think about the
43:59
Speaker 6: coaching staff a lot of time is that there's not
44:00
Speaker 6: necessarily like a negative that comes from any of these guys.
44:03
Speaker 7: That are all doing their job. They're all working hard.
44:05
Speaker 6: But I do think that there can be some more
44:06
Speaker 6: positives that come from it. It does feel like Jeremy
44:08
Speaker 6: Hefner brought a lot to the table. Like every single
44:11
Speaker 6: picture I've ever heard that has been pitching for Jeremy
44:14
Speaker 6: Hefner under him and his staff, they have glowing reviews.
44:17
Speaker 6: They absolutely love it and the information that he gives
44:20
Speaker 6: to them. He does an incredible job. And it's proof
44:23
Speaker 6: with the Atlanta Brays pitching staff, like you said, getting
44:26
Speaker 6: so much out of guys that you did not expect,
44:28
Speaker 6: and that's a lot of what's been happening for the
44:29
Speaker 6: Mets the past couple of years.
44:31
Speaker 7: I do think that there is a learning curve.
44:32
Speaker 6: I do think that there needs to be some patience,
44:34
Speaker 6: of course with a first time pitching coach in Justin Williard,
44:37
Speaker 6: and I do like a lot of the philosophies that
44:39
Speaker 6: he has, where it's publicly stated before about being nasty
44:42
Speaker 6: in the zone and attacking batters. But it does seem
44:44
Speaker 6: like right now the Mets pitchers are a little bit lost,
44:48
Speaker 6: especially Peralta McClain, they need something. They're not necessarily the sharpest,
44:52
Speaker 6: and I'm hoping that we can figure that out sooner
44:54
Speaker 6: than later, because with the season one, you know already
44:57
Speaker 6: in June and the Mets so far back, we don't
44:59
Speaker 6: really have time for them to be in this like
45:01
Speaker 6: four four or five R spot mark.
45:05
Speaker 4: Do you believe in this team? We're only six out
45:06
Speaker 4: of the Wildcard. Do you think they can get into
45:08
Speaker 4: it or do you think it's too far gone?
45:10
Speaker 6: I can't believe in the team that currently sits on
45:14
Speaker 6: the field right now. Like when Francisco Lindor comes back,
45:17
Speaker 6: things could change, but the way this roster is constructed currently.
45:21
Speaker 6: It's crazy for me to say because I'm the Mets
45:22
Speaker 6: World Series guy every single year, but I don't believe
45:25
Speaker 6: in this team.
45:26
Speaker 7: I don't think they've got it this year.
45:28
Speaker 6: I hate giving up on a season because I love
45:29
Speaker 6: baseball so much and I you know, as soon as
45:32
Speaker 6: the season ends, I can't wait for the next one
45:33
Speaker 6: to start.
45:33
Speaker 7: But this is such a disappointments.
45:35
Speaker 6: It's left such a bad taste in my mouth, especially
45:37
Speaker 6: with how last season ended that until they actually show
45:41
Speaker 6: that they are a different team, I just believe they
45:44
Speaker 6: are this team. That's what nine to ten games under
45:45
Speaker 6: five hundred and nothing's gonna change.
45:48
Speaker 1: So with that being said, do you think that this
45:52
Speaker 1: team will sell pieces at the trade deadline, and if so,
45:55
Speaker 1: what will that look like? Right Like, if let's just
45:58
Speaker 1: fast forward a month then change, say they're in the
46:00
Speaker 1: same spot, they're like six games out, they're ten under
46:04
Speaker 1: whatever something along those lines. Are they selling and who
46:08
Speaker 1: are they selling? Like the short term rentals? Is there
46:10
Speaker 1: anyone even longer term that you think they would try
46:12
Speaker 1: and get rid of.
46:14
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do think that the Mets are going to
46:15
Speaker 6: sell right now, being nine games out. I think the Wildcard,
46:18
Speaker 6: like everyone mentions like five six games, I do think
46:20
Speaker 6: it's a little bit of like false hope. Everybody in
46:23
Speaker 6: baseball feels like they're five or six games out of
46:25
Speaker 6: the wild card and this team is not playing like
46:27
Speaker 6: a team that deserves to be fighting for a wildcard spot.
46:30
Speaker 6: And as the season gets longer, it's only going to
46:31
Speaker 6: get more of a difference between the Wildcard and the Mets.
46:34
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think Freddy Peralt is going to be
46:36
Speaker 6: on the move. I think the fact that the pitching
46:38
Speaker 6: market's gonna be a little more robust hurts the Mets,
46:41
Speaker 6: But also at the same time, they clearly have one
46:42
Speaker 6: of the probably like three, maybe fourth best pitcher available
46:46
Speaker 6: on the market. This Sea trade deadline Clay Holmes if
46:49
Speaker 6: he comes back healthy, I think someone that could also
46:51
Speaker 6: be on the move. I don't expect many of the
46:53
Speaker 6: pieces on the offense, just because I don't think there's
46:55
Speaker 6: a lot of movable contracts right now on the offensive side.
46:58
Speaker 6: But look for the pitch staff to be on the move,
47:01
Speaker 6: any of the guys that are, you know, under short
47:02
Speaker 6: term deals. And then in the bullpen, think a sneaky
47:05
Speaker 6: arm that could be available as Luke Weaver. Maybe you
47:07
Speaker 6: try and cash in on Wastcar Broslebon who's been great
47:09
Speaker 6: this year. It's tough to wave the white flag, but
47:12
Speaker 6: I do think the Mets need to take a look
47:13
Speaker 6: in the mirror and ask themselves can this team make
47:16
Speaker 6: the playoffs? And if they do, can they even win
47:17
Speaker 6: a series? And right now doesn't feel like they can.
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Speaker 4: Mark. I gotta ask you this, how'd you feel last night?
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Speaker 4: Did you think the Knicks were gonna win that game
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Speaker 4: last night? And look they did it? So maybe you're
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Speaker 4: just a quitter. Maybe you're a quitter.
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Speaker 6: And if it's it's a live wager at halftime that
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Speaker 6: the Knicks were gonna win. So theoretically I was always
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Speaker 6: a believer. Got that cash that one in which was nice.
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Speaker 6: But I mean I thought that game was over for sure.
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Speaker 6: That was just me being like, let me force myself
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Speaker 6: to stay involved and care about this. That game was unbelievable.
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Speaker 6: I don't know if the Mets have that kind of
47:51
Speaker 6: come back in them. I think we use that in
47:53
Speaker 6: what twenty twenty four? I think we use that. So
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Speaker 6: I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch with the
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Speaker 6: Mets here. I think I think these two teams are
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Speaker 6: very different if you look at how organizations have been
48:03
Speaker 6: and synergy and all this kind of like nonsense corporate talk.
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Speaker 6: But the Knicks are run so well, and I just
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Speaker 6: I don't feel the same about that with the New
48:10
Speaker 6: York Mets.
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Speaker 4: Mark, Mark, do you when dearon Fox hoisted the lay
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Speaker 4: up for no reason? Did you just did your head
48:18
Speaker 4: explode like everybody else? And then also, if the Mets
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Speaker 4: or if the Knicks do win one more game, does
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Speaker 4: that put more pressure on the Mets, because then, I mean,
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Speaker 4: the Jets they're never gonna win. It seems like so no,
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Speaker 4: but then it would be the Mets would be the
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Speaker 4: next team right in line of the big ones that
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Speaker 4: haven't won in the longest time. I think.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think right now a lot of
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Speaker 6: Mets fans are super glad that the Knicks are playing
48:40
Speaker 6: well because we can just kind of detach from the
48:42
Speaker 6: team and not.
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Speaker 7: Worry about how poorly they're playing.
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Speaker 6: But yeah, as soon as the Knick season ends, and
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Speaker 6: hopefully in an NBA Final championship, people are gonna get
48:50
Speaker 6: even more frustrated and more angry. And I think you're
48:52
Speaker 6: gonna hear the booze more and you're gonna see city
48:54
Speaker 6: field empty out just because there's kind of no reason
48:57
Speaker 6: right now to be at the field. They're not playing well,
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Speaker 6: there's no excitement, there's no vibes, there's a lot of
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Speaker 6: other things to do in the city right now. It's
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Speaker 6: a scary place to be a Mets fan right now.
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Speaker 6: And I gotta think Steve Cohen's quite frustrated with how
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Speaker 6: this season in the end of last season's gone. So
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Speaker 6: I'm interested to see what the decisions and moves are
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Speaker 6: from here on out, because it's pretty unacceptable for how
49:18
Speaker 6: much money he's investing into this roster and what the
49:21
Speaker 6: performance he's getting out of them year in and year.
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Speaker 1: Out, and just curious about what was it at plus
49:27
Speaker 1: what career.
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Speaker 7: I got it at I think plus seventeen hundred, So
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Speaker 7: that was that was a nice time.
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Speaker 2: Odds.
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Speaker 6: I've been all over the Knicks on these comebacks, like
49:39
Speaker 6: every time they've been down. I've been placing a small
49:41
Speaker 6: wager here and there, and i think I'm three for
49:43
Speaker 6: three so far, so I'm feeling pretty good.
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Speaker 4: They've done it.
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Speaker 1: They can, I mean, obviously aside from the last game,
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Speaker 1: but they continue to do that where they're down at
49:52
Speaker 1: least at some point in the game a decent margin,
49:54
Speaker 1: and they quickly were in the case slowly scurry back
49:57
Speaker 1: because it took a while, but yeah, exactly, just keep
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Speaker 1: the distraction going. You've got another week of that, maybe less,
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Speaker 1: maybe more right about a week give or take a
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Speaker 1: few days of Knicks distractions and then you can get
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Speaker 1: pissed about the Mets again. But good catching up with you, dude.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate the therapy session. Everyone check out Messed Up if
50:13
Speaker 1: you don't already, YouTube channel podcast and the.
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Speaker 4: Mets just I mean want so want so in a while.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, the let's just tie the game.
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Speaker 7: The foul territory bump right there, and we'd love to
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Speaker 7: see it. Thank you guys for having me on.
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Speaker 2: Gotta believe Let's go next.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate Tomark talksing dude.
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Speaker 7: See you guys,