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Credlin | 14 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, We're to the Thursday night edition of Kredlin.
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Speaker 2: I'm Steve Price. Slow debate about that HUMMA statement yesterday
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Speaker 2: from Shaikh Yusuf. We will try and get to the
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Speaker 2: bottom of all of that before the end of the program.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight though on Kredlin. A fiery
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Speaker 2: premier to Cinder Allen in Victoria defending a curriculum aimed
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Speaker 2: at students as young as five years old and talking
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Speaker 2: about body parts and gender. What sort of world are
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Speaker 2: we living in? I have more on that shortly. Statistics
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Speaker 2: out today on the mind blowing amount of illicit drugs
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Speaker 2: Australians are consuming methan, fetamine, increasingly ketamine, cocaine, all of
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Speaker 2: it suggestion the figures are dated, but no debate on
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Speaker 2: the amounts. We'll find out the facts later. And another
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Speaker 2: aggressive act by China, this time blocking an Australian ship
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Speaker 2: from leaving a Chinese.
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Speaker 1: Port while loaded with a rare earth product.
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Speaker 2: US use to firm up lead in ammunition and missiles
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Speaker 2: bound for the US. It's free now, but how concerned
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Speaker 2: should we be? Plus the weekend meeting between Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 2: and Donald Trump Saturday morning, our time. Can it really
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Speaker 2: advance peace for Ukraine? I'll talk to Kosher Garda about that,
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Speaker 2: But first up, The Australian newspaper reports this morning on
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Speaker 2: disturbing changes to a Victorian school curriculum aimed at primary
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Speaker 2: school children as young as five years old. Now, this
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Speaker 2: educational tool is called Respectful Relationships and was born out
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Speaker 2: of a Royal commission in twenty sixteen into family violence
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Speaker 2: and designed by the Victorian Education Department with they claim
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Speaker 2: the aim of preventing family violence by promoting gender equality
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Speaker 2: and teaching children about respectful relationships. Okay, confession, that's where
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Speaker 2: you lose me. Are we as a community so lost
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Speaker 2: that we need to tell five year olds about respect
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Speaker 2: for relationships?
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Speaker 1: Five?
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Speaker 2: Six seven? What is this educational interference into families lives?
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Speaker 2: And what does it all have to do with what
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Speaker 2: I'm about to tell you?
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 2: This Respectful Relationships is described as a teaching resource is
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Speaker 2: telling children their body parts may not match their gender
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Speaker 2: and biologically male students who identify as female are entitled
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Speaker 2: to play sport on girls teams. Now, this thing was
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Speaker 2: quietly amended quietly, I reiterate last August and includes, according
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Speaker 2: to Rachel Baxendale's report She's the Australian's journalist today, a
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Speaker 2: case study of a transgender girl called Stacy. Can I
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Speaker 2: remind you this brainwashing, dangerous intrusion into children's lives has
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Speaker 2: been used in year one primary school? Now, this mythical Stacy,
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Speaker 2: this gender affirming example explains Stacy dresses like other girls,
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Speaker 2: plays with them, and everything seems fine, but it goes on.
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Speaker 2: One day Lara says to Stacy, you should be in
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Speaker 2: the boys team, not in the girls' sports teams. Now
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Speaker 2: can anyone really imagine five year olds having this conversation?
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Speaker 1: Anyway? It gets worse.
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Speaker 2: The program tells five and six year olds that some
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Speaker 2: people feel they did not get a good match with
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Speaker 2: their body parts and that they do not want to
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Speaker 2: be called a girl or a boy, but something that
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Speaker 2: is right for them now. The Premier just sinder Allan.
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Speaker 2: She was quizzed about this August update of the Respectful
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Speaker 2: Relationship's curriculum and as you would expect of a mother
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Speaker 2: and a woman, she was shocked, well shocked little kids
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Speaker 2: were being brainwashed by this gender approach.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, have a look at what she said today.
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Speaker 3: Perhaps I was not clear enough in my previous answer.
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Speaker 4: I'll repeat again.
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Speaker 3: Transgender kids are fifteen times more likely to kill themselves. So,
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Speaker 3: whether it's across a schooling system or across our health system,
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Speaker 3: supporting those kids and supporting those families should be a
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Speaker 3: priority because it's the.
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Speaker 4: Right thing to do.
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Speaker 3: What's not right, what's not right is this ongoing campaign
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Speaker 3: to tear down programs that are about strengthening kids resilience.
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Speaker 3: It's about preventing bullying, it's about protecting kids against future harm.
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Speaker 4: That's what needs to stop.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, if you let a hard left labor government loose
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Speaker 2: for almost ten years, and you let them install their
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Speaker 2: people in the education department and give them the teachers'
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Speaker 2: union free hand and establish a royal commission with a
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Speaker 2: perceived outcome, this is what you get. Jacinda Allen was
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Speaker 2: so upset she made the extraordinary remark today that reporting
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Speaker 2: of the type done excellently by Baxendale, as she did
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Speaker 2: on page one of the paper today, should be stopped.
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Speaker 4: A look, it's disgraceful nonsense, Like seriously.
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Speaker 3: This sort of ongoing attack on a program that is
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Speaker 3: making a difference in kids' lives just should be stopped.
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Speaker 4: It should be stopped.
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Speaker 1: I tell you what needs to be stopped.
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Speaker 2: The gender bending nonsense being pushed at primary kids in
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Speaker 2: their first years at school. Parents tonight should be outraged
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Speaker 2: and they should ask their schools if this stuff is
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Speaker 2: being pushed at their children.
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Speaker 1: And I know what I do.
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Speaker 2: I take the kids out of there straight away. Let's
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Speaker 2: end to camera now for tonight's political headlines with Scotte
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Speaker 2: New's political reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 5: Ahead of next week's roundtable, it seems Treasury has sprung
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Speaker 5: a leak. The government forced to deny claims today that
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Speaker 5: it's already predetermined the outcomes.
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Speaker 6: We don't preempt any of the reform directions that come
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Speaker 6: out of that roundtable, but we are preparing for the
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Speaker 6: issues that people have been raising with us.
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Speaker 5: The leak Treasury document shown to the ABC highlighted a
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Speaker 5: list of recommended outcomes from freezing, changes to the National
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Speaker 5: Construction Code, speeding up housing approvals and a national AI plan.
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Speaker 6: Well, there have been hundreds, if not thousands of ideas
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Speaker 6: put to us.
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Speaker 1: That's a good thing. I mean government will make decisions.
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Speaker 4: To be very clear, Governments make decisions.
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Speaker 5: The opposition remains skeptical.
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Speaker 7: Now that just tells me this whole thing is a
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Speaker 7: stitch up. I wonder whether people who are attending this
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Speaker 7: round table are indeed wasting their time.
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Speaker 5: Also today, the latest jobs figures show unemployment down to
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Speaker 5: four point two percent. Economists say the better than expected
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Speaker 5: numbers are likely to stop the RBA cutting interest rates
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Speaker 5: again next month. Trudy McIntosh, Sky News Canberra, good.
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Speaker 1: On your truity. Thank you very much for that.
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Speaker 2: All right, plenty to get across tonight, joining me Sky
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Speaker 2: News contributor Carolee Katz and Barnas and Day Telegraph journalist
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Speaker 2: James Willis. Welcome to you both. Can we start with
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Speaker 2: this gender issue that I just raised. What's your view
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Speaker 2: on this? You're a mother and you live in Victoria,
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Speaker 2: You've had your kids in schools here.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of it?
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Speaker 8: Steve Well said this evening. I think it's disgraceful. It
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Speaker 8: is pure brainwashing. So five year olds are taught that
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Speaker 8: they can change body parts, but they're not able to
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Speaker 8: access pepper peel or social media until after the age
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Speaker 8: of sixteen. I'll tell you what is disgraceful, because that
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Speaker 8: seems to be the word of choice by the Victorian premier.
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Speaker 8: What's disgraceful is it was actually the mother and a
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Speaker 8: spokesperson of somebody from adolescents experiencing gender dysphoria that has
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Speaker 8: actually been in the system that called this program a
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Speaker 8: school to clinic pipeline for irres irreversible medical treatment that
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Speaker 8: cannot be undone. The Premiere of Victoria trashed this mother's view.
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Speaker 8: And this is somebody who evidently has an adolescent child
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Speaker 8: that has gone down this path.
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Speaker 9: We're also talking about.
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Speaker 10: Five year olds.
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Speaker 8: Last time I checked, kids that were age five or
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Speaker 8: six weren't taught about body parts. That doesn't happen until.
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Speaker 10: Year five or six.
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Speaker 5: But also this has backed.
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Speaker 8: Up evidence the esteem pediatrician doctor Hillary Cass implemented the
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Speaker 8: review into the Tavastock clinic and the UK and other
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Speaker 8: jurisdictions of the European countries have stopped this gender for
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Speaker 8: affirming treatment. It is brainwashing of kids, it is social
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Speaker 8: ideal ology, and it's actually disgraceful that the premiere hit
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Speaker 8: out at that mother.
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Speaker 2: And also a very responsible reporting James, I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: we get back to this issue of you know, children's
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Speaker 2: sport for example, where you know, a girl a boy
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Speaker 2: can say I'm a girl and they get to play
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Speaker 2: in female sport. But what puzzles me about this is
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Speaker 2: it came out of a royal commission which was held
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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen into family violence. How we got to
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Speaker 2: this point, which was then changed last August again to
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Speaker 2: make this curriculum even worse than what it was. I mean,
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Speaker 2: governments doing this sort of stuff, they should just get
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Speaker 2: out of people's lives and let parents, parents and teachers teach.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 11: Steve, My view on this is that firstly, we've got
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Speaker 11: to look at what's happening overseas, and there are a
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Speaker 11: number of gender clinics overseas that have been subject to
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Speaker 11: major class actions because kids that change their gender or
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Speaker 11: had a range of gender treatments before they were eighteen
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Speaker 11: have subsequently become adults and then changed their mind or
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Speaker 11: said that they wanted to go back to their previous sex,
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Speaker 11: and as a result, there's been some major class actions,
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Speaker 11: including the Tavistock Clinic in the UK. I mean, my
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Speaker 11: view on this is that when you turn eighteen, I
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Speaker 11: couldn't care less what people do, but I do have
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Speaker 11: a fundamental concern about the idea of encouraging this behavior
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Speaker 11: in kids. I think there are kids that certainly grapple
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Speaker 11: with this issue, and that is on the record.
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Speaker 10: But the idea of bringing this forward.
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Speaker 11: Sort of telling or you know, promoting the idea of
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Speaker 11: this for kids under the age of eighteen is deeply
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Speaker 11: troubling to me. And at the same time, there's been
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Speaker 11: all sorts of legal cases where the child and the
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Speaker 11: parents have been at odds over how they actually deal
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Speaker 11: with this issue or whether they want to undergo certain
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Speaker 11: treatments under the age of eighteen. The parents say no,
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Speaker 11: the child goes to the school. So we've had those
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Speaker 11: issues across the country. I think it's a mind field
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Speaker 11: for parents, and I certainly think the idea of you know,
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Speaker 11: broadening this out and you know, for the premiere to
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Speaker 11: be hitting a parent that has been.
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Speaker 10: Through this is disgraceful.
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Speaker 11: But yeah, for me, the issue with kids is deeply
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Speaker 11: problematic and the kind of thing that I think we've
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Speaker 11: got to tread carefully. We've given what has happened overseas,
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Speaker 11: including in the UK.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a premier even sold the media that the
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Speaker 2: Australian newspaper shouldn't be reporting it. I mean good on
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Speaker 2: you so much for freedom of speech. Let's talk about
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmer's Productivity round Table. We're going to talk about
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Speaker 2: it a lot. Next week is going to be three
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Speaker 2: days in Canberra. The ABC has had a leak which
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Speaker 2: suggests the outcomes for the yet to happen event have
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Speaker 2: already been decided. This has led to many suggests the
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Speaker 2: whole thing's choreographed. I think Susan Lee called it a
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Speaker 2: stitch up. Listen here to what she had to say,
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Speaker 2: and it.
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Speaker 7: Just tells me this whole thing is a stitch up.
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Speaker 7: This Productivity round Table is a stitch up because people
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Speaker 7: are attending in good faith and they want to contribute
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Speaker 7: to a discussion about improving productivity in this country.
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Speaker 2: James I had a former Treasury official on a couple
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Speaker 2: of times on the program in the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: He said, this always happens.
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Speaker 2: Treasury will sort out what they want to get out
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Speaker 2: of it, they'll decide it, and this is just a
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Speaker 2: tick off exercise where they've already worked out what they
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Speaker 2: want to do.
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Speaker 1: What's the point.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, we always have suspicions with these things.
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Speaker 11: And there's a great episode of Utopia on the ABC.
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Speaker 11: Where there's a group of indie pendent infrastructure experts in
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Speaker 11: a room, you've got a government minister in the corner
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Speaker 11: that's coughing when they like a project that will help
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Speaker 11: the government's agenda. But in general, look, I've always been
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Speaker 11: a little bit skeptical about these things and I think
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Speaker 11: there are some predetermined ideas.
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Speaker 10: The irony of this is that what has been leaked.
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Speaker 11: My understanding was was a proposal by Peter Dutton during
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Speaker 11: the last election, which was the fact that with our
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Speaker 11: housing crisis being what it is, you've got this Construction
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Speaker 11: Code which is two thousand pages long. There's all sorts
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Speaker 11: of red tape that are holding the building industry back
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Speaker 11: that needs to be paused. Peter Dutton and the Coalition
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Speaker 11: wanted it for ten years. Labour actually opposed that at
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Speaker 11: the time, but now it's clearly going to be proposed
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Speaker 11: by Treasury off the back of this summit next week
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Speaker 11: and they're saying for a pause of a number of years.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 11: I think that's a really good idea and something the
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Speaker 11: Coalition supported while they're in opposition heading into the election.
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Speaker 10: So the prove will be in the pudding.
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Speaker 11: I mean, we know the unions are calling for a
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Speaker 11: four day working week, which I just think is insanity. Certainly,
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Speaker 11: I think with these things there's always going to be
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Speaker 11: some predetermined outcomes. I just hope we get some other
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Speaker 11: ideas on the table next week, but we'll have to
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Speaker 11: wait and see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we will. Carelly, I want to come back to Victoria.
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Speaker 2: We had a story at the weekend where David Limbrick
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Speaker 2: from the Libertarian Party was saying, we need to change
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Speaker 2: the laws about how strongly you can diven yourself when
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Speaker 2: someone breaks into your house in the middle of the
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Speaker 2: night arm with the machete. You know, I'd take my
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Speaker 2: three iron out, which I don't hit very well, but
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Speaker 2: it certainly would connect with someone's head. Now, the government
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Speaker 2: overnight in Victoria has voted against a review of the
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Speaker 2: state's self defense laws. I mean, are they not listening
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Speaker 2: to anyone? I mean, do they not realize that every
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Speaker 2: day when they wake up, there's someone who's had some
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Speaker 2: kid with a machete in their backyard.
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Speaker 8: Yeah. Price, it's now got to the stage where there's
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Speaker 8: almost everybody in Victoria that knows someone who knows someone
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Speaker 8: who's been affected by an aggravated homebreak in It's interesting
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Speaker 8: because David Limbrick, the Libertarian MP, to his credit, he's
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Speaker 8: going to try and mount this again and do another petition.
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Speaker 8: It was defeated by just one vote, which actually shows
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Speaker 8: and appetite is there to look at Victoria's self defense laws.
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Speaker 8: They haven't been looked at for at least a decade.
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Speaker 8: If it had got up, then the Victorian Law Commission
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Speaker 8: would have actually had to have gone back and had
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Speaker 8: a look and perhaps consider the castle doctrine that is
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Speaker 8: in the United Kingdom, where you know, reasonable force is used.
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Speaker 8: But I just can't believe that we're actually talking about
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Speaker 8: it because surely anybody that breaks into somebody's house there
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Speaker 8: shouldn't be any sympathy for that offender. The Victorian government,
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Speaker 8: the Premier keeps talking about vulnerable people in Victoria, well,
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Speaker 8: vulnerable homeowners, vulnerable families.
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Speaker 1: They're the ones that are vulnerable.
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Speaker 8: How many macheti attacks, how many aggravated home burglaries do
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Speaker 8: we have to actually go through? But what would be
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Speaker 8: really good is more police out on the streets. Victorian
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Speaker 8: Commissioner Mike Bush, I hope you're listening. But also, magistrates,
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Speaker 8: the laws are there. You don't need to grant bail.
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Speaker 8: You need to be doing things.
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Speaker 1: Appropriately, absolutely, James.
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Speaker 2: Just before we go Newcastle Counsel Tuesday night, this was
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Speaker 2: pigheadedly gave the green light to that activist mob Rising
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Speaker 2: Tide to have another one of their block aids later
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Speaker 2: this year.
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Speaker 1: What are they doing?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's terrible, Steven, and these things are bad for
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Speaker 11: business to be blocking a major port for ships and
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Speaker 11: look to be honest, I mean the Labor Police Minister
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Speaker 11: in New South Wales, Yasmin Catley, has previously spoken in
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Speaker 11: favor of the idea of this taking place.
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Speaker 10: It's terrible, it's delusional.
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Speaker 11: These people have absolutely no clue what they're protesting against,
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Speaker 11: and they think for every bit of coal that we
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Speaker 11: send overseas that we're destroying the planet, which is simply
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Speaker 11: not the case.
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Speaker 10: But sadly governments.
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Speaker 11: Of all levels have allowed these protests to just grow
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Speaker 11: and grow and grow, and I think there's meant to
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Speaker 11: be rules in this country about blocking major transport infrastructure.
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Speaker 11: I don't know why this is allowed to occur, but
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Speaker 11: it's a pretty ugly event and does nothing in terms
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Speaker 11: of promoting or encouraging investment from overseas.
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Speaker 2: Caroly, those Apple trackers that you can buy where you
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Speaker 2: put them in your suitcase and when you go overseas
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Speaker 2: the cases.
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Speaker 1: In New York and you're in London.
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Speaker 2: There's a suggestion today that parents should be able to
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Speaker 2: put them in. There's a set of sneakers, tennis shoes,
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Speaker 2: whatever they're called to where you can slip it in
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Speaker 2: and you know where your child is at all times.
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Speaker 2: For me, big tick, what a great idea.
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Speaker 8: No for me, beings for me, because now you wonder
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Speaker 8: why we've got thirty year olds that can't make decisions.
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Speaker 8: If your kids need an air tracker in their sneakers,
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Speaker 8: they perhaps shouldn't be out there. And also what about
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Speaker 8: it's going to normalize the fact that coercive control we're
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Speaker 8: having to track them with everything when they get to
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Speaker 8: be adults.
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Speaker 1: I think tracking is normal, not normal at all.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we want these kids to be able to
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Speaker 8: get resilience and fly. That means parents to trust them.
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Speaker 8: So no, Pricey, I'm against what you say. Tonight.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Caroly James, thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: your time. We'll see you on the program next week.
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Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, I'll reveal a shopping status
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Speaker 2: Mount Methan fetamine, cocaine, even Kenneman used by Australians, Plus
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Speaker 2: more on the schoolyard gender battle taking place in those
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Speaker 2: Victorian schools.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Steve Price with you.
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Speaker 2: We understand that the British Prime Minister, Kirstarma and Ukraine's
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Speaker 2: lot of Miss Lensky are about to meet in London.
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Speaker 2: If we get some live pictures, will take you there
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Speaker 2: and chat with Sophie Ellsworth. We're due to talk to
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Speaker 2: her anyway, but if it happens earlier, will take you
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Speaker 2: there live.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: Data today from the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission absolutely shocked me,
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Speaker 2: blow my mind, but I suppose it shouldn't when you
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Speaker 2: consider what we see on our streets, drug affected people
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Speaker 2: and the levels of violent crime around the country, a
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Speaker 2: lot of it driven by ice. Now, this report reveals
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Speaker 2: the staggering amount of illicit drugs Australians are consuming. We've
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Speaker 2: been told today that the very latest data due for
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Speaker 2: release tomorrow that'll actually reflect that there is some sort
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Speaker 2: of decrease, but that decrease comes off the back of
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Speaker 2: unbelievable figures. We're looking at a significant problem when it
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Speaker 2: comes to the spiral of drug use obviously, and the
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Speaker 2: support users simply I'm not getting joining us. University of
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Drug Policy Modeling Program Director Professor Allison Ridder, Professor,
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Speaker 2: great to have you with us. You say, the data
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Speaker 2: in today's article is dated, but it does reflect I
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Speaker 2: think the last quarter. I just read through the astronomical
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Speaker 2: kilos and kilos and kilos of chemical drugs. It seemed
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Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe the amounts.
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Speaker 12: Yes, it relates actually to twenty twenty three and the
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Speaker 12: first part of twenty twenty four, so it's a good
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Speaker 12: year out of date, and we do know that the
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Speaker 12: amounts that are detected in what wastewater have come down.
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Speaker 12: And look, the other thing to say is, yes, you
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Speaker 12: know there's ten thousand kilograms of methamphetamine detected, but what
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Speaker 12: we don't know is if that's ten thousand people consuming
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Speaker 12: one kilo or one hundred thousand people consuming a very
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Speaker 12: small amount. So it doesn't tell you anything about the
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Speaker 12: numbers of people or the amount of harm that might
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Speaker 12: be being caused by these amounts of drugs.
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Speaker 2: What's it tell us about whether Australia is being targeted
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Speaker 2: as a lucrative market by the people that produce this
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Speaker 2: stuff and either get it into the country illegally or
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Speaker 2: make it here.
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Speaker 12: Sure, I mean, I'm not sure about Australia being targeted,
19:37
Speaker 12: but prices of drugs. Illicit drugs are very expensive in Australia,
19:41
Speaker 12: much more expensive in retail than in other countries. So
19:46
Speaker 12: in that sense, it's a very profitable model for people
19:49
Speaker 12: who supply drugs.
19:53
Speaker 2: Has when you say that the amounts have gone down,
19:58
Speaker 2: let's stick to the the slightly positive aspect of the story.
20:02
Speaker 2: What do you put that down to?
20:05
Speaker 12: Look, I think you know, drug use waxes and wains,
20:09
Speaker 12: and the amount of drugs that are detected in wastewater
20:12
Speaker 12: changes over time. I think, so there are some drugs
20:16
Speaker 12: that have increased, So looks like ketamine has increased and
20:20
Speaker 12: cannabis has increased, and it's possible that people using those
20:26
Speaker 12: substances over substances like methamphetamine. The second thing is we
20:31
Speaker 12: really desperately need to fix our treatment system in Australia.
20:36
Speaker 12: We know that treatment works, we know that it is
20:38
Speaker 12: value for money, but only half the number of people
20:42
Speaker 12: who want treatment and seek treatment are able to get
20:45
Speaker 12: it in any one year, And you know that's a
20:48
Speaker 12: terrible situation for families, for people experiencing all sorts of
20:53
Speaker 12: problems with their drug use.
20:57
Speaker 2: If I had a friend who came to me and said, look,
20:59
Speaker 2: I've got a them with cocaine. I just can't get
21:02
Speaker 2: off it. I want to go into rehab. I desperately
21:04
Speaker 2: want to repair my life. I mean methanthetamane. You know
21:08
Speaker 2: even worse? How long would it take for me to
21:11
Speaker 2: get somebody into that sort of treatment.
21:14
Speaker 12: If you're looking at the public system, you're looking at many,
21:18
Speaker 12: many weeks. So there was a survey done recently for
21:21
Speaker 12: New South Wales, for example, that showed that people wait
21:26
Speaker 12: on average up to two months, sometimes three months to
21:29
Speaker 12: get into residential rehabilitation, which is one form of treatment.
21:34
Speaker 12: There are other forms of treatment, outpatient counseling, but we
21:37
Speaker 12: know that people are waiting a really long time. And
21:40
Speaker 12: part of the trouble is that people come to a
21:44
Speaker 12: decision to do something about their drug use, and that's
21:48
Speaker 12: the moment that you need to act. You need to
21:50
Speaker 12: act really really quickly and make sure they get into
21:53
Speaker 12: the kind of support that that person needs. And our
21:56
Speaker 12: systems aren't set up for that kind of immediate access
22:00
Speaker 12: to treatment.
22:03
Speaker 1: Professor on a global stage.
22:07
Speaker 2: Do we rank highly in usage or are we about
22:11
Speaker 2: average normalness?
22:12
Speaker 12: No, we actually rank highly. Australia is a high drug
22:19
Speaker 12: consuming country. Some people argue that's because we have better
22:23
Speaker 12: data than many other countries, but we do consume a
22:28
Speaker 12: lot of drugs and that's been a feature of Australian
22:33
Speaker 12: culture and society for quite a long time.
22:39
Speaker 2: I guess you'd be saying to state governments, whatever state,
22:41
Speaker 2: and we're obviously national, whatever state's watching is those state
22:45
Speaker 2: governments plow some more money in rehab and trying to
22:49
Speaker 2: educate and help people get off a habit like that.
22:52
Speaker 12: Absolutely, every state and territory government needs to almost double
22:55
Speaker 12: its investment in our colon other drug treatment. And the
22:58
Speaker 12: federal government also plays a role here. It's an important
23:02
Speaker 12: leadership role. We don't have a national coordinating policy environment
23:07
Speaker 12: for alcohol and other drugs and we desperately need better
23:10
Speaker 12: leadership at a federal level as well.
23:15
Speaker 2: Professor, great to catch up with you. Thanks for giving
23:17
Speaker 2: us your insight. I appreciate it very much. Now, as
23:19
Speaker 2: I said on top of the program and talked with
23:22
Speaker 2: our panel, this respectful Relationships curriculum in Victoria, it was
23:26
Speaker 2: quietly amended and most of us didn't know about this
23:29
Speaker 2: back in August last year, to teach children as young
23:31
Speaker 2: as five that their body parts might not match their gender. Now,
23:36
Speaker 2: parts of this amended curriculum say, as we heard earlier,
23:39
Speaker 2: some people feel they did not get a good match
23:42
Speaker 2: for their body parts and they do not want to
23:44
Speaker 2: be called a boy or a girl, but rather something
23:47
Speaker 2: that is right for them now, honestly, but the Victorian
23:50
Speaker 2: Premiere and I think I need to show this again
23:53
Speaker 2: because of what she said. She seems to see there's
23:55
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with this, Rather lashing out on the fact
23:59
Speaker 2: that the Australia newspaper and Rachel Baxendale had the temerity
24:04
Speaker 2: to actually bring it to the public's attention, that's just nonsense.
24:08
Speaker 4: It's disgraceful nonsense.
24:10
Speaker 3: Like, seriously, this sort of ongoing attack on a program
24:16
Speaker 3: that is making a difference in kids' lives just should
24:20
Speaker 3: be stopped.
24:21
Speaker 4: It should be stopped.
24:22
Speaker 2: It's disgraceful reporting, disgraceful nonsense, she calls it. Academic psychiatrist
24:29
Speaker 2: Andrew Amos joins me, Now, Andrew, you've long spoken about
24:33
Speaker 2: out about the dangers of pushing ideology on children. What
24:37
Speaker 2: do you make of this particular aspect of this curriculum.
24:43
Speaker 13: Well, the curriculum itself, I think is ridiculous in this aspect.
24:48
Speaker 13: It's a very large document and this is a case study,
24:51
Speaker 13: but it really pushes some ideas from gender ideology that
24:55
Speaker 13: I think can be extremely harmful to kids and can
24:58
Speaker 13: be very damaging to the relationship that they have with
25:01
Speaker 13: their family. So I think it's somewhat ironic that we're
25:04
Speaker 13: trying to have respectful relationships by inserting ideology that's going
25:08
Speaker 13: to I think break families apart.
25:12
Speaker 2: Well, it came out of the back of a Royal
25:13
Speaker 2: commission that was held in twenty sixteen that was into
25:16
Speaker 2: family violence. I don't quite get the leap between having
25:20
Speaker 2: a royal commission into trying to prevent family violence, which
25:24
Speaker 2: we'd all like to see happen, and teaching five year
25:27
Speaker 2: olds that they might like their body parts.
25:29
Speaker 1: How does that work.
25:32
Speaker 13: Well, Look, my suspicion is obviously I wasn't involved in
25:34
Speaker 13: the creation of the document. My suspicion is that there
25:37
Speaker 13: has been an opportunistic approach to this, so people who
25:41
Speaker 13: believe this ideology will take any opportunity to push their
25:45
Speaker 13: ideology and having a revision of the curriculum then gave
25:48
Speaker 13: them the opportunity to insert it. So, look, I absolutely
25:53
Speaker 13: agree if the Victorian Education Department can't teach resilience to
25:58
Speaker 13: kids without teaching them as five year olds that they
26:01
Speaker 13: can change their sex. I think Victorian parents have a
26:05
Speaker 13: right to wonder what's going on with their teachers.
26:10
Speaker 2: Were Colleague of mindset if he found out his five
26:13
Speaker 2: year old was being taught out that at school, he
26:15
Speaker 2: pulled the child straight out of school, And I agree
26:17
Speaker 2: with him completely. Look, I don't mix with many five
26:20
Speaker 2: year olds anymore, but I've had children of that age.
26:23
Speaker 2: Would they really even have a clue what they're being
26:26
Speaker 2: taught when it comes to this sort of stuff?
26:29
Speaker 13: Look that they don't even have a clue about this
26:31
Speaker 13: stuff when they're late adolescents and moving into adulthood. The
26:35
Speaker 13: best research that we have suggests they start to have
26:39
Speaker 13: some concept of sexual characteristics at a reasonably young age.
26:43
Speaker 13: That's really just to the level of play. The way
26:46
Speaker 13: that kids learn is that they play with ideas, they
26:48
Speaker 13: play with clothes, they play with toys. What's happening, though,
26:52
Speaker 13: is in the school and in the clinic, people with
26:56
Speaker 13: a very strong political idea about what should happen with kids,
27:00
Speaker 13: and then pushing them into a pipeline that really will
27:04
Speaker 13: follow them for the rest of their lives and doing
27:06
Speaker 13: a lot of harm to them. So look, yeah, I
27:08
Speaker 13: think it's extremely inappropriate to be teaching five year olds
27:12
Speaker 13: this sort of sexualized idea that you can be borne
27:16
Speaker 13: into the wrong body and that therefore, later on in
27:20
Speaker 13: life you can have the opportunity to have your body
27:23
Speaker 13: parts cut off and to take medications in order to
27:26
Speaker 13: change your body into the opposite sex. Any sane adult,
27:30
Speaker 13: I get knows that it is in.
27:34
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
27:36
Speaker 13: Any sane adult is aware that it is impossible to
27:39
Speaker 13: change sex. So the fact that the Victorian Premier isn't
27:42
Speaker 13: aware of this, I think is a big red warning sign.
27:46
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask you about that, and
27:48
Speaker 2: we've got a hard left government in Victoria and a
27:50
Speaker 2: hard left premier. Were you surprised at the reaction from
27:54
Speaker 2: her today that someone had the temerity who actually report
27:56
Speaker 2: this on the front page of the National paper.
28:00
Speaker 13: I was stunned. I think the best interpretation that you
28:03
Speaker 13: could put on it is that she's receiving very bad advice.
28:06
Speaker 13: But if she actually believes that it is possible for
28:09
Speaker 13: people to change sex. That really should be a worry
28:12
Speaker 13: for every Victorian voter, and she did seem I thought
28:17
Speaker 13: she seemed extremely cagey during the interview, as if she
28:23
Speaker 13: knew what she was saying really couldn't be explained to
28:27
Speaker 13: the normal audience. So she was hiding behind the idea
28:30
Speaker 13: that this is to do with the curriculum, as in
28:32
Speaker 13: my opinion, it's really much more to do with the
28:34
Speaker 13: political ideology being put into the curriculum. So again, if
28:38
Speaker 13: the Victorian Education Department isn't competent to keep that sort
28:43
Speaker 13: of political agenda out of its curriculum, I suspect we'd
28:47
Speaker 13: be better off without the Resilience and rights curriculum Andrew.
28:55
Speaker 2: We've seen in the UK they've moved back the other way.
28:59
Speaker 2: They've had tremendous problems there, but they've realized that they've
29:02
Speaker 2: got to do something about this. Australia obviously is a
29:05
Speaker 2: few years behind. We won't see it move back that
29:09
Speaker 2: way in Victoria, but you'd hope other states around Australia
29:13
Speaker 2: might realize what's happened overseas and look at it closely
29:17
Speaker 2: and perhaps try and copy that.
29:20
Speaker 9: Well.
29:21
Speaker 13: Indeed, the Queensland government, of course, has paused the initiation
29:24
Speaker 13: of what's called gender firmin care, so puberty blockers and
29:28
Speaker 13: hormone therapies that are intended to change the composition of kids'
29:33
Speaker 13: bodies from male to female or vice versa. But of
29:37
Speaker 13: course the immediate response of the Commonwealth government was to
29:41
Speaker 13: ask them to reverse that decision. Basically, governments are kicking
29:45
Speaker 13: the can down the road in Australia, but many other countries,
29:50
Speaker 13: US and UK particularly among them, really have recognized that
29:54
Speaker 13: gender of firmic care is a very harmful paradigm. We
29:58
Speaker 13: don't we haven't got any good evidence it helps kids,
30:01
Speaker 13: and we know that it does significant and irreversible harm
30:04
Speaker 13: to them. So the US government put out a report
30:07
Speaker 13: to earlier this year that essentially said it's unethical for
30:11
Speaker 13: a doctor to treat a kid when they know it's
30:14
Speaker 13: not going to help, and we're pretty sure it's going
30:17
Speaker 13: to have significant side effects. Just unethical and incompetent care
30:21
Speaker 13: in my opinion.
30:23
Speaker 2: Good on you, Andrew. Thanks for your help tonight. I
30:25
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Now after the break, I have a question
30:28
Speaker 2: for you. How on earth can China be allowed to
30:29
Speaker 2: hold up a shipment of critical minerals between Australia and
30:34
Speaker 2: the United States. It's an intriguing story. Plus, I'll take
30:37
Speaker 2: your live to the UK as we await that meeting
30:39
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier between President Zelenski and Prime Minister Kirs
30:43
Speaker 2: Starmer will talk to our reporter on the scene. Sophie
30:47
Speaker 2: deals with welcome back, take your live to London in
30:54
Speaker 2: just a moment now. In a sign that supply chains
30:56
Speaker 2: are becoming an increasing flashpoint in the escalation between in
31:00
Speaker 2: the Western China, this story has been reported today that
31:02
Speaker 2: is almost hard to believe. There was a shipment of
31:05
Speaker 2: critical minerals from Victory Area in Australia bound to the
31:08
Speaker 2: United States. For some reason, they went via China and
31:12
Speaker 2: they were held up there for several months, only to
31:14
Speaker 2: be released on the condition that they come back to Australia.
31:17
Speaker 2: The shipment was to be sent to a company that
31:20
Speaker 2: was looking to step up ties with the US Defense
31:23
Speaker 2: Department joining me now to talk us through exactly what
31:26
Speaker 2: happened here. Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, Michael Schubridge. These
31:31
Speaker 2: critical minerals, Michael has understand it, are used to firm
31:34
Speaker 2: up lead which is used then in the production of
31:37
Speaker 2: ammunition and even in missiles. How did this Do we
31:40
Speaker 2: know how this ship ultimately ended up in China?
31:45
Speaker 10: Yes, I think we do, and Steve, you're right.
31:47
Speaker 11: The mineral involved his antimony and it's used in armor piecing, ammunition,
31:54
Speaker 11: jet engine parts, and even missile guidance systems. China has
31:59
Speaker 11: been restricted the export of antimony from China since August
32:03
Speaker 11: last year, and it's doing that to send a message
32:07
Speaker 11: to countries like the Europeans and the Americans that they
32:12
Speaker 11: depend on China for this critical input. So this shipment
32:17
Speaker 11: probably got caught up in those port controls.
32:20
Speaker 10: But you've got to think what is.
32:22
Speaker 11: Going on here? What's the company doing? Because if you
32:26
Speaker 11: want to be an alternative source of supply of a
32:29
Speaker 11: critical material like antimony to China, the dumbest thing you
32:34
Speaker 11: can do is to ship it through China, because then
32:37
Speaker 11: you're just putting China back in to the supply chain.
32:42
Speaker 1: I think the.
32:43
Speaker 11: Most likely explanation here is the company paid no attention
32:47
Speaker 11: to the particular shipping route. It just went for the
32:50
Speaker 11: lowest cost option. But it shows your point at the start, Steve,
32:55
Speaker 11: Supply chains matter and the details matter. So if you
32:59
Speaker 11: want to be an alternative supplier to China. You can't
33:04
Speaker 11: ship your stuff through China, and I'm glad the company
33:08
Speaker 11: seems to have learnt that. Lesson looks ridiculous.
33:12
Speaker 2: You can see pictures we've got there, Michael, which you'll
33:14
Speaker 2: be very interested in. That's a lot of me Zolensky
33:18
Speaker 2: arriving at number ten Downing Street. There's kids Starmer with
33:21
Speaker 2: his arm around Zelenski. They'll go back in after this photop.
33:26
Speaker 2: I presume we'll get Sophie yours with there shortly. But
33:29
Speaker 2: what do you make of this meeting between Starmer and Zelenski,
33:33
Speaker 2: given that it's happening, you know, twenty four hours probably
33:37
Speaker 2: before Donald Trump sits down with Putin. What Zelensky's gone there?
33:42
Speaker 2: What to talk himself back in favor with the Europeans
33:46
Speaker 2: or to send a message to Trump that if he
33:49
Speaker 2: goes off with Putin and aligns himself with Putin, then
33:54
Speaker 2: he's going to.
33:54
Speaker 1: Have a problem.
33:55
Speaker 2: And what's the what's the politics around this little game?
34:01
Speaker 11: Well, Steve, there's been an enormous amount of speed dating
34:05
Speaker 11: in the last few days. European leaders have been very
34:08
Speaker 11: keen to connect to Trump, and they've done that. They've
34:12
Speaker 11: also been very keen to support Zelensky and support Ukraine
34:16
Speaker 11: because they're saying, mister Trump, you can't play Europe and
34:22
Speaker 11: Ukraine out of this picture in any deal you might
34:25
Speaker 11: want to cut with mister Putin. And so this is
34:29
Speaker 11: Keir Starmer and Zelenskin sending that same message. There's a
34:34
Speaker 11: lot of solidarity around Ukraine and it's not an America
34:38
Speaker 11: Russia deal to make.
34:43
Speaker 2: We're going to go to Sophie a sec just wanted
34:44
Speaker 2: to ask you though about You know, we've got the
34:46
Speaker 2: eightieth anniversary of the end of World War II VP
34:49
Speaker 2: Day in Townsville at the weekend. For some strange reason,
34:53
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister decided not to go there. But we
34:56
Speaker 2: see today that the Pentagon has again made it very
34:59
Speaker 2: clear that Australia and other Asian Pacific countries have to
35:02
Speaker 2: work together to bolster defense and start to spend more. Well,
35:07
Speaker 2: it's the message we need to be hearing, isn't it.
35:11
Speaker 11: Well, yes, and the Pentagon and Washington are looking at
35:15
Speaker 11: the government's plans for our military and the budget and
35:19
Speaker 11: they know the maths doesn't add up. You can't buy
35:22
Speaker 11: a conventional high technology Australian defense for US and add
35:26
Speaker 11: nuclear submarines in for two to two point three percent
35:30
Speaker 11: of GDP. We need to be spending three and a
35:32
Speaker 11: half percent. The Americans want us to be able to
35:36
Speaker 11: meet our own security needs and be a capable ally.
35:40
Speaker 11: We should want that too, So isn't it incredible the
35:43
Speaker 11: Prime Minister doesn't seem to.
35:48
Speaker 2: Thanks for that, Michael. We're going to go to London.
35:50
Speaker 2: Appreciate your analysis, though. Let's go to London. Sophie Illsworth
35:53
Speaker 2: is there for us? I mean, we've just seen those
35:55
Speaker 2: pictures of President Zelenski out to front of number ten
35:59
Speaker 2: Downing Street. Sophie's outside there as well. What's your assessment
36:04
Speaker 2: on how this meeting came about? Do we think it
36:06
Speaker 2: was prompted by an invitation from Sakia Starma or did
36:11
Speaker 2: Zelenski say, mate, can you have me over because I'd
36:14
Speaker 2: like to be at your place before Donald Trump goes
36:16
Speaker 2: to Alaska to see Putin.
36:20
Speaker 14: Great to be with you, Steve, as you saw live
36:23
Speaker 14: those live pictures just moments ago. Missus Lensky has just
36:27
Speaker 14: arrived here at Downing Street to greet Sakir Starmer. Are
36:31
Speaker 14: they embraced, they hugged, they shook hands and a show
36:35
Speaker 14: that the uk and the European nations are well and
36:39
Speaker 14: truly behind Ukraine ahead of these talks tomorrow in Alaska.
36:45
Speaker 4: But in terms of the meeting and.
36:47
Speaker 14: How it came about, we don't know the exact details
36:50
Speaker 14: on that. But what is important is that now here
36:53
Speaker 14: behind me a downing street is this meeting between these
36:57
Speaker 14: two key world leaders. You know, about twenty four hours
37:01
Speaker 14: before mister Trump is due to meet Putin in Alaska,
37:05
Speaker 14: and he has said that there must be a result
37:09
Speaker 14: of this, and there will be severe consequences if there
37:12
Speaker 14: is not a result from this meeting tomorrow. So the
37:16
Speaker 14: whole world is watching in anticipation and waiting to see
37:20
Speaker 14: if mister Trump can deliver the goods and result in
37:24
Speaker 14: a ceasefire between these two warring nations.
37:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I imagine. So what you're going to get
37:31
Speaker 2: is those two are going to have to come out
37:32
Speaker 2: and they'll speak to the media at some point and
37:34
Speaker 2: we'll carry it live on Sky later.
37:36
Speaker 1: In the evening.
37:37
Speaker 2: But the message that they then have publicly is going
37:41
Speaker 2: to be directed, as you said, straight at Putin, straight
37:44
Speaker 2: at Trump. It's going to be fascinating to see what
37:46
Speaker 2: that message just might be.
37:52
Speaker 14: Well, absolutely, Steve and it's really interesting because, as we know,
37:56
Speaker 14: Zelenski will not be in the room when the two
37:58
Speaker 14: leaders Putin and Trump meet tomorrow, and this has been
38:01
Speaker 14: a very much criticism of him. He wants to be
38:04
Speaker 14: at the table, and he said moving forward, he should
38:06
Speaker 14: be at the table when these discussions do take place.
38:09
Speaker 14: So he's obviously incredibly frustrated with the situation that he
38:13
Speaker 14: won't be sitting there in Alaska with the two leaders
38:15
Speaker 14: as they discuss the future of what is going on
38:18
Speaker 14: with this onlygoing war between Russia and Ukraine. And it's
38:22
Speaker 14: also interesting to know what will be the result of
38:26
Speaker 14: this meeting, What will be exchanged in return for perhaps
38:32
Speaker 14: a ceasefire occurring, What arrangements are going to be in place,
38:37
Speaker 14: what security arrangements are going to be in place for
38:39
Speaker 14: Ukraine if a ceasefire is implemented, and will land be
38:43
Speaker 14: given over, will minerals be given over? There's so much
38:46
Speaker 14: unknown here, Steve, that it's such a hotly anticipated meeting
38:51
Speaker 14: and one that I think many world leaders are really
38:54
Speaker 14: hoping that mister Trump can stick to his words and
38:57
Speaker 14: say that he can end yet another war.
39:01
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about the Middle East.
39:02
Speaker 2: I know this week, you've been working on a story.
39:04
Speaker 2: You've interviewed Danny Masner this week.
39:07
Speaker 8: Now.
39:07
Speaker 2: He's the brother of the murdered Australian Israeli woman Galet Carbone.
39:12
Speaker 2: He's come out pretty hard against Anthony Albanese's decision, obviously
39:16
Speaker 2: to recognize Palestine.
39:18
Speaker 14: What did he tell you, Well, this is just a
39:22
Speaker 14: heart wrenching story, Steve.
39:23
Speaker 4: Danny lost his sister.
39:25
Speaker 14: She was murdered by her mus terrorists on October seven
39:30
Speaker 14: in her kaboots. That's just three to four kilometers from
39:33
Speaker 14: the border of Gaza.
39:34
Speaker 4: And he spoke to me this week. He's very distressed.
39:37
Speaker 14: With the Federal government in Australia's decision to recognize Palestinian statehood.
39:43
Speaker 14: Danny and his late sister are both Australian citizens. He
39:47
Speaker 14: said he's been let down by the Australian government. He's
39:51
Speaker 14: traveling to Australian next month and he's hoping to secure
39:56
Speaker 14: a meeting with mister Albanese to make his thoughts be known.
40:01
Speaker 14: But a heart wrenching story, I mean he hid from
40:05
Speaker 14: these mus terrasts that he's still extremely traumatized.
40:09
Speaker 4: By what happened and the murder of his sister.
40:12
Speaker 14: And so he spoke to me in detail about this,
40:15
Speaker 14: but he said it's very shameful and he feels sick
40:18
Speaker 14: to the stomach that mister Albaneze has come out and
40:22
Speaker 14: said that he will support Palestinian statehood. Danny's very distressed
40:26
Speaker 14: by this and very disappointed in the Australian government.
40:32
Speaker 2: Just before you go, Sophie, and the big story in
40:34
Speaker 2: the summer as summer comes to some sort of conclusion
40:37
Speaker 2: in the UK is this massive surge of illegal migrant
40:41
Speaker 2: crossings coming across the Channel. Keir Starmer has obviously said
40:45
Speaker 2: something about it. The numbers are very high, aren't they extraordinary?
40:52
Speaker 14: Extraordinarily high, Steve, fifty thousand have crossed the border since
40:56
Speaker 14: the Keas Starmer came into office. Now, he declared that
40:59
Speaker 14: he'd smash the gangs and he'd stopped these small boat
41:02
Speaker 14: crossing arrivals into the UK once he got into office.
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Speaker 4: He's been unable to do that.
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Speaker 14: He's failed in doing so, and this has been a
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Speaker 14: real problem from the government. It's something that Reform UK
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Speaker 14: leader Nigel Farrages absolutely pounced on because the Channel crossings
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Speaker 14: continue rolling here into the UK daily and it continues
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Speaker 14: to be a very serious issue here in the UK
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Speaker 14: that they are allowing far too many illegal migrants into
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Speaker 14: this country unchecked, and then they're going about their business
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Speaker 14: once they arrive here. So Secre's Starmer, this is a
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Speaker 14: very key issue. Did his government has said they will
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Speaker 14: get under control, but to date, Steve, they have failed
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Speaker 14: to do so.
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Speaker 2: Great work, Sophie. We'll see your updates on scott tonight.
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Speaker 2: As that meeting between Starmaran's and Lynsky completes and they
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Speaker 2: come out and talk. Good on your Sophie.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Now after the break, just how much wait does the
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Speaker 2: straight decision to recognize Palestine actually carry with the rest
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Speaker 2: of the world. Plus ken President Trump strike a deal
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Speaker 2: with Vladimir Putin without Zelenski. There our international panel up next.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Now.
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Speaker 2: Hamas is reportedly denying that it issued any statement to
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Speaker 2: the Nine Network on the Nine Papers yesterday praising Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albertezi and the recognition of Palestine. I understand now that
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Speaker 2: it came from the Office of shape Usef. They're saying
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Speaker 2: the comments from the Shikh are not from him because
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Speaker 2: he is in jail and can't get a message out.
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Speaker 2: Presumably now the Prime Minister's come out. He's worn the
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Speaker 2: media about falling for harmas propaganda. That's a bit rich
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Speaker 2: given how much he has been relying on some of
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Speaker 2: the pictures of starving children out of Gaza. Let's bring
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Speaker 2: in our Thursday night panel Sky and News contributor Koshergara
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Speaker 2: and former labor in p Michael Danby.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to your both. Let's talk about that. Michael.
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Speaker 2: I mean it was on the cards, but what of
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Speaker 2: the fallout from the recognition of Palestine by the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and his Foreign Minister.
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Speaker 15: Well, Albo and Penny Wong have stuck themselves to an
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Speaker 15: elderly man eighty nine, who has never done any of
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Speaker 15: the things he promised to Elbow and it's so reminiscent,
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Speaker 15: as we said on this station last night, of his
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Speaker 15: Munich moment. He's got a piece of paper and he's
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Speaker 15: waving it around. It won't be achieved, none of it.
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Speaker 15: And Australia is making this foreign policy on the basis
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Speaker 15: of this. We're lucky that the Americans don't take our
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Speaker 15: foreign policy too seriously, particularly in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: We have no influence.
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Speaker 2: Understand there was a print out of that conversation and
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Speaker 2: there was no details of what actually a bass promised
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Speaker 2: to do. That's if we recognize Palistin.
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Speaker 15: That's in the PA's press release of the whole thing,
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Speaker 15: no details at all. Difference, none of the things that
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Speaker 15: Albo talked about on TV to reassure Australians were mentioned
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Speaker 15: by the Balostinians. So therefore, how do you can you
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Speaker 15: believe that when they actually get to the stage of recognition,
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Speaker 15: that they will take any of these things further?
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Speaker 1: I don't even mentioned in the press rule.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you something. You're a labor legend,
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Speaker 2: you were there a long time. You know ALBINIZI well
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Speaker 2: Wong as well. This is in their DNA, is it not?
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Speaker 15: It is I know Albos and student politics. That's a
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Speaker 15: long time Steve, and this is a boyhood fantasy of his.
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Speaker 15: He never believed he'd be able to achieve this, but
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Speaker 15: he did it.
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Speaker 1: It's in his guts.
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Speaker 15: It's much more important than for the average Australian this issue,
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Speaker 15: and that explains why he's run so hard and he's
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Speaker 15: taken such ridiculous risk. Imagine tying yourself to all of
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Speaker 15: these ridiculous promises of Muhammad Abas that are never going
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Speaker 15: to happen. God help us if an Australian election people
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Speaker 15: call him to account for these promises.
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Speaker 1: I just wonder whether the image is over the bridge.
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Speaker 1: He might have had something to do with it, Kosher.
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Speaker 2: Let's turn our attention to this meeting between Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: and Vladimir Putin. It's going to happen in Alaska. It's
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Speaker 2: going to happen in Anchorage, I think at an air
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Speaker 2: Force space. Donald Trump's made the point pretty clearly that
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Speaker 2: they might be a sickened meeting, So that would indicate
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Speaker 2: to me that he doesn't think the first one is
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Speaker 2: going to go. Well, let will What do you think is.
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Speaker 1: Going to happen here?
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Speaker 9: Look, I think it is historic if you just take
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Speaker 9: a step back. It's the first time that their meeting,
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Speaker 9: or their meeting since twenty nineteen, the two leaders. It's
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Speaker 9: the first time Putin is coming to the US in
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Speaker 9: over a decade. No Russian leader has ever set foot
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Speaker 9: in anchors Or in Alaska, all even when it was
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Speaker 9: owned by the Russian Empire all.
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Speaker 10: The way back.
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Speaker 9: So just the symbolism of it, I think should not
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Speaker 9: be dismissed. That said, we should manage our expectations. This
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Speaker 9: is a stepping stone in a ladder of meetings that
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Speaker 9: will have to happen to. Given the complexity of this negotiation,
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Speaker 9: there's still a lot of gap between what both sides want.
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Speaker 9: I also think that the meeting is, yes, centrally about
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Speaker 9: this conflict, but it's also about other bigger things. Can
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Speaker 9: there be a pathway to normalizing relations between the US
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Speaker 9: and Russia or two nuclear powers? Are there other commercial
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Speaker 9: agreements possibly beyond the rainbow if we get to a
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Speaker 9: peace agreement? So I think he's setting the stage. It's
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Speaker 9: going to have to require Zelenski's participation.
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Speaker 15: That steves I think they'll get a few days ceasefire
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Speaker 15: out of it.
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Speaker 2: Well, none of us can get in mind, but some
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Speaker 2: media commentators suggests that he's quite an emt is not
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Speaker 2: the right word, but he actually he bows down to
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Speaker 2: no One Trump. But apparently Putin has this sort of
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Speaker 2: influence over it.
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Speaker 9: Who knows that, you, I mean, he has I think
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Speaker 9: broke from the orthodoxy where he used to always famously
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Speaker 9: sail meet with anybody. And it doesn't mean I'm his friend,
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Speaker 9: it doesn't mean I love him, But I think it's
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Speaker 9: a good thing to have relations, not a bad thing
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Speaker 9: with everybody, including difficult actors on the world stage. He
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Speaker 9: has come out more strongly against Putin in recent times,
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Speaker 9: or he renegged on ceesfire agreements or you know that
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Speaker 9: leak that came out of on Millennia Trump being unhappy
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Speaker 9: with how his bombing hospitals and things like that. But
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Speaker 9: he's a realist.
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Speaker 15: He's become more attuned to the civilians being killed. He
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Speaker 15: doesn't like the fact that he rings the guy up
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Speaker 15: for inamity is to him. He likes it because he's
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Speaker 15: a bigger character as he is, but he doesn't like
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Speaker 15: the fact that he kills people later that night after it.
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Speaker 2: Because he kept saying over and over and again, didn't
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Speaker 2: he I mean that young soldiers, young people are being killed,
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Speaker 2: and he trots out the figures and when he speaks
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Speaker 2: in raw stats, it's an awful picture.
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Speaker 9: He was a not a fan of Zelenski, which is
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Speaker 9: the other piece of this too, so I think he's
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Speaker 9: just looking at this.
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Speaker 15: He met him in the Vatican and he now talks
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Speaker 15: he said.
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Speaker 2: He said the other day at a media conference, he said,
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Speaker 2: you know, I'll go into the meeting and after two
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Speaker 2: minutes I'll know whether I'm going to get what I
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Speaker 2: need or not. Reporter shouted out, how are you going
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Speaker 2: to know? And he said, because I'm a deal maker,
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Speaker 2: I'll make a deal.
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Speaker 15: He's going to ask him for a ceasefire fifteen days
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Speaker 15: or sixty days, and Putin's response is going to be
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Speaker 15: only to offer. In my opinion, this is what he's
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Speaker 15: going to do, an air ceasefire, so they'll continue fighting
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Speaker 15: at the front, but he'll stop bombing city. So Maloney
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Speaker 15: doesn't badge and.
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Speaker 2: They the Donald, can you will Ukraine Kosher offer up
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Speaker 2: any of the taken real?
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Speaker 9: Listen, that is the million dollar question. All the official
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Speaker 9: positioning from Zelensky and others has been no, we're not
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Speaker 9: interested in a lands swamp, and many people hold that view.
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Speaker 9: But when Trump famously said to him, you hold no cards,
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Speaker 9: that now infamous line, I should say in the Oval
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Speaker 9: Office meeting, I think he is suggesting that there has
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Speaker 9: to be some sort of concession on territory, and I
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Speaker 9: think that the devil will be in the details on
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Speaker 9: what things like.
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Speaker 15: Things have changed since then. The Russians the Ukrainians are
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Speaker 15: sixty percent of their own arms production and the Europeans
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Speaker 15: are funding them.
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Speaker 1: Seriously, got to go we'll be watching it on Saturday morning.
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Speaker 1: Thank you everybody. Andrew Boats up next