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The Big Three for Focus, AI’s Education Divide & OpenAI’s New York Times Fight · Beat The Odds with Dre, Rodney, & Brylan

• Rodney: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Beat the Odds podcast. I'm on with Bryn today. Dre is out, I believe he's on vacation. Dre is the type of guy who takes a vacation every other week. Since I've known Dre, he has flown all over the world. So he's not here today. But since Bryan is here, how you doing, man? Brylan: Bruh, I can't I can't really complain, man. it's crazy because, you know, we're having a conversation, you know, before this just about, you know, health and kind of like that journey over the last few years for us. But bro, last night I was running. So I did eight miles last night. And Rodney: Jeez. Brylan: bro, I had this epiphany. I have this epiphany. I'm still trying to figure out how to like label it, but the idea that's coming to mind is this, you know, gum gum on the road. Gum on the road theory. Rodney: Okay. Brylan: That's that's what I'm that's that's what I'm calling this framework or like this mindset. But, you know, I think for a lot of the listeners, you probably can relate where it's like when you're ambitious, you're creative, and you know, you've been exposed to grand worlds that have shown you the possibilities. yeah, it's it it's it's it's not hard to find yourself in a position where the timescale is past what you can see. And I think, you know, when it comes to people either, you know, starting like to work towards a goal, oftentimes people end up like stopping because, you know, like they can't they can't see where the end is. Or some people just don't start because it's so uncertain on like when will this thing end. Right. And I think the epiphany that I had last night was like, bro, this might have been like four miles into my run. My headphones died. Rodney: dang. T shirt. Brylan: And so like I had to literally raw dog it. And I looked up. I looked up and I could not see downtown Chicago. That's how far away Rodney: dark. Brylan: I was. It was dark, but I just it Chicago Skyline lights up. I was just that far away. Rodney: Yep. Right. Well. Brylan: And I had to make it back because you know that's where I live. And the thing that got me through it was like when I was running, seeing all the gum on the road. Like the next piece of gum on the road was 10 feet. So in my mind, it was like, okay, if I take my attention and just focus on the next challenge is just 10 feet in front of me, I'll make my way back home. And I think, you know, the thing that I really took aback, took, took away from that is like I think that's how we should approach a lot of our ambitions in life. Where oftentimes, you know, that eight mile run is just one eight mile run. But if you break it up into these ten feet, you can't run 10 feet. And you can't like that's Rodney: Right. Brylan: that's literally the battle you're facing. You can't run ten feet. You Rodney: I see what you mean. Yeah. Brylan: know what I mean? And I think, yeah, that was just like one of those mindsets that really hit me was like, yeah, bro, like that's how I need to be approaching every goal. These stacking these small increments because it's about that's what I'm learning about the world is like I think it's about the person that shows up consistently, but you know where to put your attention consistently. You know, and I f yeah, yeah. So just kinda wanted to share that, man. Rodney: For sure, for sure. I found consistency has been a big theme for me in the last year. For Brylan: In what ways? Rodney: sh well, it first started off with me reading the Atomic Habits book. That's where it started. Brylan: James Clear. Rodney: Exactly. And me having that epiphany that I don't need to approach everything in in a intense way. So Instead of looking at things from a standpoint of, if I can't work out for an hour, don't work out. If I can't get this full project done or this full app done in a weekend, don't don't start. This mindset of, as you mentioned, breaking things into a small into s into small steps, achievable steps. And it may seem silly, like for example, it it might seem silly to say, Hey, I'm gonna count the the the each gum on the road, but it works because each win builds up momentum and it's a consistency thing, right? And and it makes it easier to keep going. And I think that that what becomes surprising is that over time with consistency It gets easier to stay consistent and and it also compounds. So what I s first started off doing was going to the gym for five minutes every single day. That was my goal. Brylan: Mm. Rodney: My goal was let me go to the gym five minutes. If I go to the gym five minutes, I I'm good. I've won. And I did that. But what ends up happening is that over time. You get you start going to the gym, you're like, Well, I'm already there. Let me do this. Well, since I'm already here, let me do this. And before you know it, you have built this habit of going to the gym and now you have done an identity shift. And now Brylan: Mm. Rodney: I'm a gym goer. And as you know, I typically these days, a year later, I go I do two days like how we used to do Brylan: Like it's nothing. Rodney: back you know in high s yeah two a day is like like how we used to do, you know, summer weights e f pre season for football. And but it started off with just five minutes every every every every day. and I I think that that i is a is a big one. And the idea of breaking big things down to smaller things is another big thing that you mentioned because what I found was is that we often don't want to start something because we know how big the task is. But if you can Brylan: Mm. Rodney: try to think about the smallest thing you can do in that task. So for example, I lost my passport a year and a half ago at I think in Atlanta Airport or something along those lines. And I had been procrastinating on it. And so my mom and I were were getting this new passports together. And I had been practicing on that. So one step that I took was to go on Amazon and buy passport holders holders, right? And the whole idea was let me take a step forward towards towards this. And cause I had been kind of procrast procrastinating. And then once I got the passport holders that came from Amazon, then it was like, okay, let's get the passport photos. And then we we we did that. And then now it's like we're doing the form. So instead of looking at it like we gotta get photos, the this and that, and just all these things, it's like one small thing I could do that I'm willing to do right now. is better than nothing at all. So yeah. Brylan: No, it it it's I I I I feel like you're literally like spot on, bro. Just because Yeah, I think I think oftentimes, you know, and and this this actually might be a a good transition, some of the topics that we were talking about, you know, but on the podcast we always talk about AI. And the reality is like what we've learned from working with these models is that context matters because they only have Rodney: For sure. Brylan: so much attention to pay like capacity to pay attention to something. And I think that is very similar to like our human mind where like All right, one, we know our attention spans have changed. But then two, I don't think there's enough conversation about the number of distractions that exist in your physical environment, but also your digital environment. When you got Slack, you got email, you got text message, you know, like you got whatever task you gotta go you got gotta go do. Like there's so many things competing for your attention, man. And I think, you know. One of the things that I've really been talking like really thinking a lot more about is like what I'm calling the big three. Like I think if you can really get control over your focus, and I think focus is look like looking, you know, through a microscope. It's it's it's we talk about it in terms of product. What's in scope, what's out of scope. And I think you know you have to be able to do that with your life. But it's like once you have focus, now you know where to spend your attention. Now you now because you know where to spend your attention. Now you know if a desire you have is aligned with that or not. And I think I think it's literally just a consistent exercise of like those are going to be the three biggest things in at least in my opinion so far, that when it comes to mastering yourself, if you can get a hold of those three, bro, there's no way you can't lose. There's a no there's a no there actually there's a no way you can't win. There's no way you can't win if you have control of your focused attention and desires. Rodney: Well that's the thing. We are in this world where distractions are abundant. Opportunities are abundant as well, but because of the distractions, it's hard to see the opportunities, and then when we see them, it's hard to stay focused on them long enough to get a return. on the efforts that we're putting towards those opportunities because we see the other opportunities or or or we're just simply distracted by certain news, certain things that's going on. but speaking of certain things that are going on, certain distractions that are happening, one distraction that I've seen, at least in my feed, that's a bit entertaining to me, is this Dejan love story. Okay. Brylan: Mm-hmm. Rodney: So I would think Brylan: Mr. Love. Rodney: that I would think that no one needs to be informed on who this guy is at this point because I believe it started to come out maybe f four days ago. Maybe early ear end of the week of last week, maybe maybe a Friday of last week. So just so people know it's September second, Wednesday Wednesday, September 2nd. But essentially, Dejahn Love is a 35-year-old man who was pretending to be two things. He was pretending to be a 49ers wide receiver. And he was also pretending to be a Swiss real estate investor. And you might say, okay, what's the big deal? He was pretending to be those things. Okay, big deal. People are faking in all the time. No, the big deal was this. The feds had to step in because he was able to scam $1.3 million out of 26 women from California. Oregon, Washington, and Idaho. And it's created so much conversations because his method of doing so is quite entertaining. The first thing I would say is we see the footage of him running the routes. Right? Okay. Like we we have to we we have to just get on that. Now, I grew up playing just regular street football and I played football for a short period, one year, when I was in high school. So I'm not some super expert. on football, I wasn't a super football star or anything like that. But I can tell you this much. I know that when you are lining up When you're lining up, I know what I know what foot you gotta put up first. I know I know I know which foot you I know the right foot that you gotta put up first. I know that. I I know that much. Okay. And he didn't even have the right foot up. That immediately that that that that tells you that that's throwing that's throwing me off. But then he's not running with a level of Trying to really when you see r receivers, it don't matter if it's high school, college, or professional. They try to there's a there's a there's a a bit of an aggressiveness in the way that they do the cuts, do the initial a couple of moves in the beginning, because you know the corner right there, so you gotta do a couple of couple of moves, like hey, you know like you gotta do a f he didn't do none of that. And then we gotta say. When you look at his body composition, we're not understanding how that is elite status. Cause remember in the NFL combine, one of the tests is the 225 bench. Now looking at his body composition, Brylan: This man funny. Rodney: now looking at his body composition, I don't see him doing 225 for more than two reps. If one rep, if that. So that's already throwing me off. Nonetheless He scammed a lot of these women by pretending he had money. He would send them these videos of him in these rented cars, in these rented Airbnbs or rented houses and apartments, etc. Luxury. and he would make sure to always have his 49ers helmet and things of that nature, but I don't even want to say how could this happen. To me, it's obvious why it could happen. But I think it's something interesting that we could talk about because this is just so entertaining, so funny. I think that's why people have been going on with this for more than a few days. it's one of the few stories that ha lasts longer than one or two days. So, what do you think? Brylan: I mean, one I th I w one of the interesting pieces I think, you know, connecting back to the actual scam that I found interesting is this had been going on for four years. And so this had been going on for four years, and then he was just one of two people that were arrested. So the other person that got Rodney: Yes. Brylan: arrested with him is eighteen. This has been going Rodney: Yes. Brylan: on for four years. So you've been working with someone since they were fourteen years old. To make this happen. That is nuts. That is Rodney: Ha ha Brylan: nuts. Like that is nuts. But to the second point, second point. What is so fascinating was like, you know, I was getting caught up on this story and it talked about how he actually used real clips and removed the watermark from some of those like different videos. And it's crazy because, you know, on this podcast we talk about this new reality that is unfolding in front of our eyes because of these new technologies like AI. video AI, photo AI, et cetera, where it is making it very hard to distinguish truth from real like whate whatever whatever someone is presenting. And you know I think I think one of the things that is also interesting with all this is Man, just how gullible some people are. Rodney: Right. Brylan: Yeah, you're telling me based off a photo and some return. Like s photo showing you some returns. You is like, bet. And if I ain't got the money, I'ma go get a loan and bet I'm about to do this. That's crazy. And I think, you know, it's not only crazy the the ignorance, but I think what is also crazy is like if you think about the environment. that is created right now. The reality is a lot of people are can't afford life. Like rent is expensive, food expensive, everything expensive. Niggas might not have like a real solid job. And so it's like we just in this world where and and you hearing everybody make money from AI. So you you we just in this world where it's like I I gotta try to get it. And I think, you know, yeah, it it sucks to be those young ladies, but you know, 'cause Yeah, their hearts got, you know, taken advantage of. but yeah, it's also go ahead. Rodney: Hold on. Hold on. You said hearts? Brylan: Yeah, their heart their hearts got taken advantage of. Rodney: Nah man. We we we we ain't giving them that. We ain't giving them that. We ain't giving them that. Brylan: Ha ha. Rodney: We ain't giving them that. And I'll tell you why. I'll t I'll tell you why. Brylan: Okay. Okay. Rodney: If he wasn't an NFL player, would he be able to take advantage of their hearts? Brylan: Likely not. Rodney: So was it really that their hearts got taken advantage of, or was it the reason why they fell into the scam is because he understood what they were seeking, which I wouldn't say would be love. Because in a traditional romance scam scheme, don't get me wrong, they're still victims. But I put a asterisk on the heart part. Yeah, there's some hurt feelings, but for example, one of the girls, and I'll paraphrase her tweet 'cause it it didn't age well for her, but essentially she a couple of years ago came online on on Twitter I think it was Twitter at the time. It might not have been X yet. And she said, I used to date these Bay Area boys. And now I'm with the NFL. Now I'm with the NFL guys. that that and and when someone and she looked good. She looked good. She has clearly she has something going for her because the thing is about Dejahn was that he had a screening process, so he would ask them. He would frame things as a transparency question. Like, hey, look, I'm not gonna judge you on where you're at in life or anything like that. I'm just currently trying to figure out like if we're gonna be exclusive and stuff like that. Credit and debt, which funny enough, more people should do in real life. In real life, you a lot of people are not asking people what their current financial status is, and they should know a little bit more of that before they are about to get married. But that's neither that's another subject. But anyways Was that woman particularly excited about love, or was she excited about being loved by an NFL player? To me, those are not Brylan: Mm. Rodney: the same thing. Because if love is love, but if it has to come from somebody who has a certain rank or status or amount of money, is it truly genuine or is there something that you're that you feel that you're getting in return? And I think that might explain a bit of the gullible in this. Because you can't get that off. If for example, i i if if I don't got money, I can't get that off. I ain't scamming all those women that easy because I'm not coming with that image that they want to believe. You see what I'm saying? So they're still victims, but in order that for them to be victims, it required for them to say. Dang, I want to believe in this. So much so I'm not gonna check the roster. So much so I'm not gonna do it it it's not as simple as the heart. See, we wanna I know we we feel sympathy for them. So we say, the heart, they heart got play. No, this no, no, because if it was the heart, then any guy could pull on those strings and get that money. No, this was a guy who understood that. The combination of the lifestyle he was portraying, the access that he Brylan: Mm. Rodney: had, the type of person that he was presenting to be, an elite status, an elite athlete, would give would because they want that so badly, they're they're not going to check. You're not gonna check. You're not gonna check. Now, if somebody was a regular dude. Regular a regular nine to five. I'm not talking about those big nine to fives or the ones where you could do whatever you want, the flexible one. I'm talking about the regular. You gotta show up in there, nine to five, and you're getting a hundred thousand max, maybe one fifteen, one twenty. Do you think that they are gonna get pulled on those same strings and pull up those same loans? Maybe they will though. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe I'm wrong on that. And if I and if and if I get you know some some some backlash Brylan: So what's the Rodney: on that, then then I understand, but Brylan: What's the what's the learning lesson for the ladies? What should what should what should they take take away and and and and apply? Rodney: that's a good question. man, that's a really good question, actually. so I think the first thing is that I think women should try to as best as they can think about why they are interested in somebody. Right? Brylan: Mm. Rodney: So and that's hard to do. That's hard to do. Cause be it we may not want to admit that about ourselves. For example, You might come across a girl, she looks so she looks real good, but you just don't there's but maybe there's other aspects you just don't like, you don't align with you. And sometimes you gotta admit to yourself, like, hey man, look, the only reason why you're dealing with her is because you like how she looks. You gotta admit that to yourself. You gotta admit that to yourself. And then you can move accordingly based off that. Right? So so I would say admit why or investigate. what it is partic particular about this person out of the sea of options that you have available to you, what what in particular is this person? W what what in particular and then I would say second is that do your research. Don't be creepy though. I find that your research can be a cover for being creepy and stalkerish. I wouldn't say that because I've seen that and I've been on the other end of that. And so so don't be like stalkerish. but I would say it is fair that if somebody's saying that they're in the NFL to check the roster like That that is fair. That's all that that's fair. so I would say that's fair. Brylan: Hold up, hold up, hold up to that point. And if you do not know where to find the roster, you can go to Chat GPT Rodney: Come on now. Brylan: Cloud or Perplexy and just type it in as plain as that. Rodney: We shouldn't even have to say that, but yes. Yes. If you can't find it. If you can't find it, yes. Chat GPC works as well. You know what's crazy? This happened in the age of AI Brylan: Well Rodney: too. All it took all this it this was this would be the easiest time. Like maybe this could have got Brylan: Facts, facts. Rodney: maybe somebody couldn't have got away with this. Somebody could have got away with this and never got caught ten years ago. Well, you're talking about you got Claude, you got Chat GPT, you got Google, and you still didn't figure that out? I mean, and then what he would do with the Swiss accounts was that he had these fake screenshots of these Swiss banks showing that he had millions of dollars in those accounts. And what I'll say is that is that sometimes people do have banking accounts with millions of dollars. I've had accounts with millions of dollars. Brynn has had accounts with millions of dollars. We so that that does happen. People do have access to that type of money. But what I would say is you might want to wonder why it's a Swiss account that he could show you. Why why is it that he could only show you the Swiss account with millions? That should that that that that shouldn't but again The reason why they got scammed is because it's about what people want to believe. It's more about what you want to believe. You want to believe that this NFL player who came from a wealthy family who is athletic and ex and etc. and and has Brylan: That's a really good point. Rodney: a high is you want to believe that. So you're not even looking for any disproving evidence. And I find that that applies to a lot of things in life where be careful when you want something so bad that you're not even looking. You're not skeptical. I'm not saying to be pessimistic, but I'm saying to verify. to verify and pay attention and don't just lean in, especially when the moves they're making can cost you. A significant setback in your life. So if you set some money that wasn't gonna affect you, then okay, cool, chuck up as a loss. You got scammed. But if I had to guess, 26 women, 1.3 million dollars, got you gotta think about that. That is it's like $30,000, $50,000 per woman. And and someone probably did more than that, and someone maybe did less, but that's a lot. That that's a lot of money for twenty twenty-six. And there may be more. And he may have gotten more money than that. And he got more than just money from some of these Brylan: This is what we know. Rodney: girls. Yeah, this is just what we know. Brylan: This yeah, in that Yeah, yeah. Nah, this is you know, at the end of the day, we continue to see these scams evolve. Rodney: yeah. Brylan: Evolve. That's that's that's that that's that's what we're seeing. It will continue to evolve. They're gonna become even more sophisticated. But Rodney: Extremely, extremely, extremely. Brylan: but to my ladies out there, where are my scamming at? Snickers I Rodney: Ha ha ha Brylan: You asked for it. You danced to it and he showed up. Rodney: Hey, but but they're they're they're hoping that what it is is that they're hoping that somebody else gets scammed and they get the benefit. And they get the benefit. That that that that that when that when when when Carisha thought of that, she was thinking, I get the benefit of the victim. So you you you Brylan: Mm. Rodney: you create the victim and then spend and then and then if something happened to you, then that nothing gonna happen to me because I didn't do the crime. But see, they ain't, you know, they they ain't they didn't they didn't but you know, short-term thinking, et cetera, whatever. lessons learned. lesson lessons learned. And there's always gonna be victims that don't say anything. Not every victim is gonna come out and say, Hey, look, he scammed me. Cause 'cause that's that that's how it goes in life. You get scammed, you be feeling embarrassed. So every victim is not gonna come out and say, hey, look. yeah, he got me. Cause 'cause also too, he didn't just scam money from all these girls. It wasn't it it wasn't all just money. There's other things that were happening in exchange, and that's a whole nother thing, right? So but yeah, scams are gonna increase. That that that's gonna be a bit weird. and especially in the AI era, but speaking of The AI stuff, The DOJ s sided Brylan: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Rodney: with OpenAI in the case that the New York Times brought. So the case started in 2023 where the New York Times essentially said, hey, look. OpenAI has trained their models on millions of unpaid articles. And they said that the it's not fair, and they probably should get some type of money. and the Justice Department came out and said that what they did was fair. It's fair use. And part of it is is that They believe that The models change the new text into new system, not copies. So if they were just simply ripping and providing copies, word for word essentially, or as close really close to word for word, that'd be one thing. But they're arguing that the models themselves get trained to create. maybe in the style of the New York Times article, etcetera, but they're not actually copying in a direct way, which is very, very nuanced. It's very, very nuanced. Very, very nuanced. Another thing is is that They believe that there's a national security argument where if we start to go down this this rabbit hole of the training and how the models get trained, that would put a A roadblock in the development of AI, because essentially that is what AI is. It's a bunch of data that has bunch of models that have been Brylan: Mm-hmm. Rodney: trained on data. And so if you pay one person a million, 10 million, 50 million, 100 million, then now basically ever almost everybody can pop out and say, Hey, we need some money. We need some money too. And that would just kill all these companies. So this is an interesting Verdict, I would say. Brylan: Yeah, 'cause I think one thing that's very interesting about this is we do have to ask how politically motivated is this, especially with the growing narrative around open source and China, you know, that really play into this idea of like hyper inten hyper intense competition. And so I do think I do I do think you know there there's there's one angle to be explored there. I think another angle to be explored is the attack the attack on data. Because I think you're having it happen from three different vectors. The first one is obviously with OpenAI and you know the New York Times is setting the precedent with publications, right? And so Depending on how this goes, let's say the New York Times ends up winning, which it doesn't look likely now that the government is stepping in and saying this is what we want. But whatever is true for the New York Times is going to be true for the Wall Street Journal, the Economic, like Bloomberg, like all these different, you know, publications that we rely on for some source of truth. The other thing that is interesting is if you look at like Anthropic and what they were going against, you know, in terms of authors. That's another data source that's played a large role in building the knowledge base for these, you know, models, which is books, right? so that's that's that's data source number two. And then I think, you know, because of the rise of open source, you've had this conversation around enterprise data. And so when we look at model development, I don't know if there's a conversation happening right now around, yeah, if I'm a frontier lab. Where am I really looking to get data if I can't get it from publications, I can't get it from books, and the enterprises that I'm working with want sovereignty over what it what what what is theirs. And don't get me wrong, I think Anthropic and OpenAI have built products to you know, with with with with Chat GPT codecs and, you know, clock code or whatever that, you know, they are able to make use of, you know, that data. But how how strong and how far can that go? Like have they already reached the tipping point where like they're at such a scale, we don't even need to depend on them books. We don't even really need your articles. We've y you know what I mean? Like we can rely on our our on our on you know product data and continue to you know push the frontier. What are your thoughts on that? Rodney: They need the data. They can't they the the product data I don't think is enough because don't get me wrong the the consumer data that p you know people interacting etc is valuable but the real information is definitely the stuff that they can get from books and these articles etc and They can't do it from the companies anymore. Although we you know, although that's really just something that we can't really verify. Like people are companies are pretty much trusting that that, hey, they're deleting our data and they're not trending anything off our data. But we can't verify that. they they might Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: be still doing that. and If we do find out later that they are training on on enterprise data, by the time you find out, it's too late. So it it it it then it becomes a situation where it's like nothing can be done. Or if something can be done, the fine is is nothing compared to the reward. So they can get a lot from consumer data, which is I'm sure it's not really protected, really. I'm sure that it's anonymized, meaning that They can't f exactly trace down the exact person making you to specific prompts, et cetera. But what people prompt Brylan: Mm-hmm. Rodney: and what people talk about and how they respond to certain prompts, I think I think that is valuable, but I just don't think they're getting a they would get enough to train the models off of with that. yeah. Brylan: Can I so so so let me push back on that, right? Because Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: what someone might argue is the way to get around this has been them building computer use in these browser agents, right? Where because they're now engaging with the browsers, technically what I'm reading is the HTML that shows up on the page, not necessarily whatever is rendered for the user to kind of like, you know, view. Right? And so and it's also like I could see an interesting argument around like, well the user pointed us here. You know, the the the user told me that you know and so Rodney: Huh. So Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: right. So so you're essentially saying that they can pull data because the user brought them to a place and the the user didn't necessarily send them the data, but because they're use because open AI is controlling the computer, the data happens to be available and they can't really control okay. Brylan: You see what I mean? Rodney: I do. Brylan: 'Cause like I I think about it in terms of say for example, Rodney: I do. Brylan: a year ago or this might have been this might have been two or so years ago, but it was whenever Elon originally started pushing X AI and he put the tweets behind a paywall and if you wanted to get access to the API you had to pay. The Twitter API was free before. And the other thing too was Like you literally could see tweets without having to have an account. That's no longer Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: the case. But all that changes if you're already logged into your Twitter account and Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: you just tell the freaking browser to go to Twitter, all the tweets are now. And and so, say for example, like Perplexity and Claude, I realized, yeah, literally a year ago, they they would not go to Twitter. But now, because they're using so much computer use, just kind of in the background, each of those products are. Like what I realized that I because I'm logged into Twitter on my laptop, it just opens up a freaking tab and goes Rodney: Right. Brylan: to it. Rodney: Right. I think Brylan: And so I do feel like it's an interesting workaround. Rodney: It is a and and we gotta suspect that they're always gonna find some way to get what they need to train these models. And Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: and and and it'll be technically legal the way that it would however they do it. So it wouldn't surprise me at all. I personally take the the mindset that and probably because I don't have you know a a billion dollar company or ten billion dollar company, but I take the the the idea that they're I assume no matter what their TOS says that they're training on whatever I'm putting in. I also assume that one day they could later prompt my Pacific account to get information that maybe I wouldn't want out. So for example, it could say they could pretend to So maybe people may not be familiar, but if you're an engineer, you you you're familiar with the concept of of an admin panel. Admin panel gives people the ability to see all the users inside of a a system. And so usually there's a way for support in developers to impersonate a user. The use the reason why they do that is so that they can find issues so that they can understand what the user is going through. But obviously, there are cases where that could be abused if there's not enough audit trails and logs, etc., making sure that people understand what's going on. But essentially you could imagine somebody could use an admin panel and impersonate being Bryan and now they're in the chat GPT with all Bryan's data and they can say what are my what are my biggest vulnerabilities? What are my biggest secrets based on all of our conversations? And then Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: all all the years that you've been talking to it. It's like, well this da da da da da da and it and it's just and so th th there is a a level of things that I assume are possible. and I don't really worry about those though because I think that I just try to focus on using the tools in such a way where I can speak to whatever I'm using them for. So but yeah that's a good point point that you she made about training. I don't know. I don't know I don't know I don't know how they're gonna do that, but yeah the DOJ ultimately sided with with with OpenAI and that has set a precedent and likely others are not gonna try to come out and sue And I think there is something funny about OpenAI where I don't know if it's because they have because they have AI, but it just seems like they win a lot of their cases. It just seems like they win Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: a lot of cases. They they don't seem to be a company where they get hit with cases and then they lose. Like they seem to be pretty good at they got good legal. I don't know if it's because it's AI assisted or what, but they do a pretty good job with that. but yeah, we got a couple more topics on the on the on the docket. So which one do we think? Well, go ahead. Brylan: I mean since s well since we're yeah, since we're on the topic of AI, I I I think we briefly can kind of touch on this, but you know, yeah, education education is, you know, drastically changing across America. and one of the first big trends h definitely has been literacy rates. Like they've just been in a drastic decline for a very long period of time. On top of that, you have the privatization of education. So education, you know, just shifting a lot more to, I believe it's the states. you know, the states having a lot more power over that. and then with AI obviously, you know, being introduced into the classroom, yeah, we're starting to see the reactions to that, right? So in New York, mayor you know momdani yeah they just signed into law a rule to ban all ai tools for six hundred thousand kids that attend New York public schools between the grades of kindergarten and eighth grade. And they're New York is not the first one to do this in Katie, Texas, which is another school district of a hundred thousand kids. they've banned all AI tools from kindergarten to you know eighth grade again. Denver has done the same thing. And so you have you we we've already been seeing the sentiment of you know America essentially starting to slow down AI in terms of like the data the data center build c you know that we've been discussing. But now you're starting to see it show up in education and I don't know necessarily if I stand on, you know, the side that AI shouldn't be used. I definitely understand the concerns in terms of like critical thinking and all those, you know, essential thinking skills that are going to have to be changed how they're, you know, you know, taught to to kids, is something we should definitely be considering. But having worked at a private university that is considered basically like you know an Ivy League school. Most of those kids go to private schools. And I can tell you right now, most of those private schools definitely have these kids either doing some crazy ass research that you're probably doing maybe as an undergrad or graduate school student once you get to university. So they've already done this in middle school and high school. Most likely they're doing NASA Club, robotics club, you name it. And now you just gave them AI. Private schools aren't slowing down, bro. And so it's Rodney: Right. Brylan: it's it's one of those things where like, you know, the question I would, you know, pose to you is like, what what are what what what are we going to either continue to see or what will we eventually see when the difference in terms of what is being taught and how these students are learning is shifting so drastically when it comes to private in public school education. Just kinda curious your thoughts there. Rodney: Mm-hmm. I think it's coming from a good place if they're thinking that they don't want students to cheat or they they they don't want students to, you know, breeze by and not learn anything. And I think it's coming from a good intent. And and you mentioned the the reading comprehension and just the reading rates is going down, which I've seen the s some stats on, but I've also seen anecdotal videos from teachers from teachers from all over the country essentially that were speaking to that. So I get it. I get it. But I think though that Sometimes the right answer is not is not to stop something, is to figure out how you can incorporate it. And then also to I I don't we don't want people to Look at AI as the scapegoat to all these issues. AI is relatively new, and that's not the reason why people can't read. That's not the reason why Brylan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rodney: kids can't read. That's not the reason why kids can't focus. I can tell you why kids can't focus in based on what I see. Based on what I see, my observations is kids can't focus because. I think we assumed that screens didn't have an issue. screens wouldn't be an issue. and The thing about it is is that screens actually are a problem because I think screens weren't that prevalent when we were growing up. And even though that there were computers, they weren't super high definition. There were TVs, they weren't super high definition either. Occasionally you would have a high definition TV. occasionally maybe towards at least for me I didn't see I didn't start seeing smartphones until high school pop up and even then they were like the they had just really came out really and they weren't that there wasn't a lot of apps. The apps weren't addicting the apps were Fruits vers zombies and stuff like that. They it the the apps were Temple Toss and things that really weren't or or or or sorry, Temple Run and Paper Toss, if you remember the game Paper Toss. Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: and I used to stay on like game. But I think that the issue don't let's not scapegoat AI AI may be the solution. that we need to a problem that was already brewing for a decade and now we have undeniable evidence and we can't turn back around. So essentially If you if kids were rolling up on iPads and have access to their their their cousins or their uncles or aunts or even parents' phones, that may have messed up their focus way before anything else. And then you have the advent of short form content, which is prevalent on every platform. It started off with musically, musically turned into TikTok, TikTok eventually dominated. Which eventually I guess short form at technically started off with Vine, but Vine got killed very quickly. But then you had the whole YouTube shorts and Instagram Rails, and so now you have the short form content type of type of thing. And these are things that for us were not introduced into later. And We still and and we got focus issues. Don't get me wrong, people who are millennials have focus issues too. But I think it's a different type of focus issues because we grew up with a pencil and paper, and I'm not saying kids are not doing that now. But what I am saying is though is that there wasn't easy distractions. in maybe like twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty-one? Because before that, it just seemed mostly on a work type of standpoint, homework and and and and when I did when I did play games, they were slow, they they didn't have high definition. They they weren't they weren't more interesting than the regular world and there wasn't social media like that. There was MySpace, but that wasn't that interesting. It wasn't like I spent hours on MySpace. I might spend fifteen minutes on MySpace, 30 minutes on MySpace, and then that's that was that was the end of it. And now you have people and kids who are spending hours on TikTok and Instagram and all these different things. And so I think those things have more to do with the attention spans and the lack of ability to read. Actually, not lack of ability, lack of interest in reading. because the ability and the capability is probably there. but it's probably buried below the short-term type of loop circuitry in the brain, I would say. And and I would and I and and and I think to to your point about private schools, you don't want to create the gap. What's interesting about this 12 gap conversation, especially in a city like New York, New York, where that is one of the Brylan: Mm-hmm. Rodney: primary conversations that they had, is that you end up seeing moves that would almost guarantee the thing that they're saying that they're they don't want to happen. like you don't want a wealth gap but then the tool that's going to create the tool that people get good at using the people who are good and fluent at AI and who are gonna create the most wealth i it's it's gonna be a i it's gonna be AI people who make the most wealth and then become fluid at AI how to direct agents how to build systems, how to build apps, how to get tasks done with AI, those people are going to be the wealthiest. Period. Period. Because that's is gonna that that those skills are going to transition to robotics as well. Because that same type of prompting will be able to be done with robotics. And so it will be able to be translated to the physical world as well. So I think that when you take away that from the public schools You're setting them back. You're setting them back a decade. And it may look like, okay, we can't figure out how to control this, so let's just stop it. And I get it, I do get it, and I understand it's well-intentioned. But if we're talking about the wealth gap, if those parents don't think that by their kids not being able to utilize AI and learn it. and to use it as a tool, not as a crutch, but as a tool And if they don't if they don't think that's gonna set them back, then they're gonna be disappointed in the future and there's gonna be more complaints in the future about the gaps in skills and the gaps in wealth. Brylan: No, I I I I I I genuinely don't think you could have said it any better because I mean even think about it, you know, this way, right? Like a lot of the parents of the kids who are going to these private schools are going to end up working at what companies that are likely either already AI native or transform themselves to be AI native. When these kids are thinking about their future because oftentimes if you are spending, I I literally read this earlier where it was like by 2040, if you plan to put your kids through private school, through kindergarten all the way to like high school or whatever, you should expect to be paying upwards of, you know, probably, you know, north of two million dollars over the course of that. That's a lu but once again, that's a luxury. It it depends on how you look at it. That's two million dollars you're not paying if you send them to public school. But the reality is you send them to public school because you ain't got two million dollars to make it happen. Rodney: Right. Brylan: Right? And so and so what's interesting about this whole education thing is like you're going to have the parents who are exposed to this new world telling about telling their kids and helping shape the directions you know the path for their kid to for this new world. And then on the flip side of this, you could have parents who may have lost their job due to AI, which you know could happen or whatever, or you know, be the ones really pushing against the technology, then sender their kids to not even use the technology in a world that is moving towards it anyway. And so if you were a parent, what would you be doing, Rodney? What you doing, man? Rodney: jeez. It's hard to say because I try not to really step in the shoes of because y when you it's hard to say because you know, it's just hard when you're not a parent to try to try Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: to step but it but 'cause I don't want to be like I'm giving advice to a parent, but it I would say that if I if my goal was to incr if my if my fear was that they may not be prepared for the r the real world once I'm no longer able to I guess my fear would be that they couldn't be independent on their own and live their own life because I know that's what every kid wants to do at some point. They don't want to always live with their parents I and so I guess I what I would say is that if I wanted to prioritize their success and their ability to be independent and to be able to build their own family, I would say that I would want them in regards to AI to be To not reflect to not use it to replace the ability to think. So I still want them to have critical thinking skills to be able to have discernment. Because AI is not going to It will be able to make good decisions in the future, don't get me wrong. But you're gonna want to be able to have the ability to discern whether or not its decision making is good. You're still gonna want that ability. And then I think the way is you build that ability is by like a two almost like a two-track system where essentially you You want schools that are embracing AI. But not just from a standpoint of, okay, we just let them use AI on on on anything, but more so on a standpoint of Giving students the standard course material, which some course material may not allow AI, and then others maybe you allow AI, but then you learn from the students in this type of iterative loop, where essentially these kids might surprise you how they end up using AI to accomplish certain goals or tasks you tell them to do. Right? So so Essentially I would basically I I I I I guess I I guess the main thing is is that I would want them to be fluent in AI and how to use it, how to deploy it, how to have agents do work for you because I think that's where it's going to go, where a lot of digital work you'll be able to send off an agent to do something for you. So that means you need to have clear and concise communication and you need to know how a typical AI thinks. I would also want the schools to teach them. A way of trying to get a good understanding of how a particular model thinks. Can I find myself doing Brylan: Mm. Rodney: that? So all AIs are not equal. So so that's something that I would want schools to to explore, not just to be like, okay, I ChatGPT and that's it. Or okay, I use Claude and that's it. I would like them to essentially say, you know, use all use these three or four. and then try to get them to understand why they got actually discern ones and why they and why they don't. And maybe what are the differences between 'cause they all have a different prioritization on the underlying models. It's almost like a human being almost, 'cause the way that they they model. So I definitely just wouldn't I would just be completely against banning AI because to me and and but but but if I was a parent that that didn't have the two million right which are which is like ninety nine percent right so so Brylan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rodney: if I was that parent I would say I would just learn AI learn what I could about AI and then I would show them AI in my spare time and and then I feel like that would be enough. I've like it it it i if you're not if it's not happening in school because you can't just put everything on the schools Right. So if the school's not teaching your kids something, you can't just be like, well, the school didn't teach them so they so it is what it is. It's like it's like no. No, like if you if if you're a parent and you see that AI is the future and there's a lot that's gonna happen there, yeah, maybe it's actually good for the public school kids to to not use AI, but if you have the ability to add them into an extracurricular course, extracurricular program, or something that has an AI relation on top of their regular schoolwork, I would do that for sure. I would definitely do that. Because then maybe they have the dual the dual a dual threat potentially. Brylan: Yeah. Yeah. No, I I it well well said. I think in also on top of like I really like what you said about helping them understand how these different models, you know, do think and do work. because once again, like because it's all prompt driven, you have these labs who are driving that prompt, Rodney: Right. Brylan: right? so really good point on that. I think it also ties back into yeah. being able to yeah hopefully even inspire kids to understand your own mind because I do think Yeah, given they're creating these machines to replicate our own mind, I do think there are ways of, you know, being able to connect the two. I think the other Rodney: Right. Brylan: thing too is yeah, I had a moment when when I was back home with like my niece. You know, she's an iPad kid or whatever, but I had asked her, I like, are you using AI or whatever? And she was like, No, like that's bad, like it's it's it's it's taking up all it's taking up all the water and I'm like, Rodney: That's bad. Brylan: Where the hell did you hear that? Rodney: W what'd she say? Brylan: She was like, school. Like, damn, that's crazy. That is crazy. She was she in middle school. Rodney: At school? They're heard that at school from other kids? Brylan: I don't know if it was from other kids or adults or whatever. But I mean I think, you know, to Rodney: I I I hope a teacher didn't say that though. I hope a teacher didn't say that. Brylan: It wouldn't surprise bro, you gotta it's Kansas. It would not surprise me. And I think something something that is interesting is no I did. I did. And so what I did I Rodney: Did you correct did you did you correct her? Did you correct her? Okay, okay. Brylan: sh show she's a gamer. Like if Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: you you know, because she grew up on the iPad, like she is really great at games. And so, you know, I Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: was telling her, I was like, you know, like esports is a whole thing. Like, Rodney: Mm. Brylan: you know, people are like doing that competitively. But I was like, Did you know that you can use AI to create your own games? She's like, no, I can't. Rodney: What you say? Brylan: So your little your little money, you want to bet it? You wanna you wanna put it up? And she was Rodney: Yeah. Yeah. Brylan: like, she was like, show me, show me. And I showed her. I showed Rodney: Yeah. Each other. Brylan: her. Super simple. Simple, super simple. We started with snake. No, no. Rodney: She she really didn't believe you. She didn didn't believe you. Brylan: But then but but but but then think about it. She made the game of snake. Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: She made the game of snake. And then I was like, okay, what if you want to play this on your phone? Because right now you're still doing it within the context of Chat GPT. Rodney: Mm. Brylan: She was like, Could I turn it into an app? And I'm like, Tell it to make you an app. So, you know, I had to, you know, do a little guiding or whatever. Rodney: Mm. How that how'd that go though? How like like she was just Brylan: Bro, eventually eventually after so after we created the game of Snake, and then you know, after a few works, work throughs, we were able to get the app on her phone through Expo, right? Rodney: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Brylan: We were at dinner. I'm like, where'd she go? Bro, she was Rodney: Yeah. And how's she feeling? How how sh Brylan: quiet as hell, bro. I look over, she unbuilt a whole fucking world. Because once again, Rodney: jeez. Brylan: she's a she's a Fortnite and Minecraft type of kid. Rodney: Mm-hmm. Right, so she understands how to build. Brylan: Yes. And so like she literally, literally was freaking going back to Chat GPT, prompting it, adding different elements, then Rodney: Yeah. Yeah. Brylan: testing it on the phone, getting back to Rodney: Yeah. Brylan: built a whole fucking game. But I think my point the my point is I think there's Rodney: So so jeeze, that's crazy. Brylan: opportunities to take things that kids are already enjoying and turn it into a creative opportunity. Not many kids Rodney: Mm. Brylan: have the opportunity to create, but it's not like Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: as a kid you can't create. You only Rodney: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Brylan: learn that you're not you only learn that you're not a creator once you're an adult. That's my belief. Because eventually Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: the real world basically slaps expectations on you. But as a kid, you literally are free to do anything until you don't believe it. And so I think Rodney: Man, that's a I love that. Brylan: if you If you if you if you if you encourage these kids to use the tools to build things, think about it in terms of this. Let's say, you know, when when you go to these fancy private schools or whatever, they have maker spaces where they got 3D Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: printers, laser cutters, you name it. Because Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: it's a private school and they're charging all that money, they got budget to hire somebody that worked in industry to run the makerspace and show you how to do e anything you want to do. You want to manufacture a physical product, bet there's somebody to teach you how to do that. Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: Now, for a public school, that may not be the case because you may not have the money or the budget to get the equipment. Or two, hire someone to teach them. So it's never even offered. Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: But you're empowered, you're empowered as a parent because the bamboo laser printer is a few hundred bucks. you Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: don't know how to use it? Well, you got YouTube. Well the YouTube ain't making sense. Take that link, download the transcript, plug it in the chat GPT or something that's context. Rodney: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Brylan: And now I can give you the whole rundown of for your kid, anything they want to make. Rodney: Mm. Man. Man, you know what Brylan: So I think it's making, bro. Making. That it like I don't see them talking about that in terms of school is like that's where the opportunity for children is when it comes to AI, is start them young building. Because Rodney: Mm-hmm. Brylan: imagine what they're gonna build when they when they when they get to their twenties in our age, bro. Rodney: I mean, yeah, it'll be i it it it we w we won't even be able to fathom. B 'cause kids are the future, right? So we won't even be able to see the like the ideas they come up with, it's just they they'll they'll they'll surprise us. So man, that's a the that story with your niece is a powerful story. And I think I I hope for her that she doesn't get discouraged by 'Cause she got that narrative from somewhere about AI is being AI's bad. And so I hope that, you know, that moment that you had with her and showing her the capabilities, she doesn't let whoever the source of that narrative is discourage her from going down that route. 'Cause I see it gr I see grown adults do that. Where Brylan: Mm. Rodney: where They've been convinced that AI is bad. And so now they're they're literally holding themselves back. Cause they're like, I don't want to be the the bad guy. I don't want to be the bad person that's using it. And they're holding themselves back. And then you know, for example, I might say, Well, well, the facts say this, the facts say this, the facts say this, and they're like, okay, I I kind of see that. But you, but as long as their environment in which case they got that idea from says it's bad. They Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: still might re they still might revert back to, you know what, I'm not gonna and and and I would say maybe the thing is is is that people who like AI, they shouldn't be ashamed of it. and that's the weird thing about it. I remember I I sent y'all a screenshot in the in the in the group chat where there was this woman, she was like, Don't kill me, but I use Chat GPT to lose like 40 pounds. And Brylan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rodney: and I remember thinking like the fact that she feel like she got a preface that with don't kill me, it's like you lost 40 pounds. That's crazy. That's a that's a huge accomplishment. Like that's you don't gotta feel Brylan: People should be doing what you're doing. Rodney: right, right. Like you sh right. Like you the You she she felt guilty about that, right? And I'm not and I'm thinking like that maybe I'm underestimating how much people are are not liking the AI or viewing the AI in the wrong way. And just so people don't, there's a lot of propaganda. Like there there was a huge campaign. we don't got too much time, but I'll say I'll I'll speak real quickly on this. China had a campaign where on on X let me see if I can get like a number x Brylan: Now they spent a lot of money. Rodney: basically found out that there was a targeted campaign from bots in China that were trying to spread the idea okay yeah so x flagged two hundred thousand accounts from Chinese bot farms where The accounts were talking a lot about the amount of power and the grids and all these things that were bad about da data centers and and and you gotta wonder guy as I when as I when I think when I when I'm w when I'm when whoever is listening I'm saying, Hey, look, if AI is so bad. Why does China not want you to use it? Brylan: Mm. Rodney: If AI is so bad, why does China want you to not use it? Why do they want you to prevent data centers from coming out? Why do they if Brylan: Mm. Rodney: AI is so bad? Why does the the the country that is that we're we are not super friendly with, but we have to because we depend on each other? Why do they want you to not want AI data centers and why do they not want you using AI? And also why did when they came on with TikTok in America, it's a bunch of entertainment and distractions, but when they have it in their country, it's educational and it has, you know, time limits and all these restrictions that keep the kids in a good mind state. So can we it I'm just ad I'm just posting those questions so that people understand that some of these things that We believe it could be coming from manipulation. And I'm not saying anybody's dumb. I'm just simply saying that they come in and they create these narratives. And it could be that they don't want you to think that something is good for you is actually good for you. Because if you think it's bad for you, then you then they don't even have to try that hard to beat you because you've already sabotaged yourself. If you if you have Brylan: Mm-hmm. Rodney: a whole if you got middle schoolers thinking that AI is bad to the point where they're not even in their train of thought saying, I'll try AI. Because I AI bad. So in their in their train of thought, it just stops there. don't use it. And then you got them using it in elementary school, and they got robots and all types of stuff that they're doing. It's like, why why why do we think that is? Why do we think that is? So, I mean, so we got to get better at that and seeing through some of those games that are being played. it's not to say that there's no concerns on AI and AI data centers, but what it is to say is that don't necessarily believe that the concerns are as big as as as they appear to be online. And do your research. Try to do your research and not just go with the predominant thing. Because we're in a culture Brylan: Five. Rodney: right now where it's easy to spread information. That goes against your own interests. And then when you follow that information and you follow the crowd, and then you get bad results, now you're in the crowd complaining about why you're not on the other side. where all the wealth is and where the prosperity is at. But it's not that you didn't have the opportunity, it's just that somebody tricked you out of it. And you had the capability the entire time. So we just don't want that to happen, right? So shout out to you for for showing her the light and hopefully she doesn't have any bad influences that that you know you know that sway her to feeling bad or anything about being fluent and if need be Keep it a secret. You know what? If y'all want to believe that, y'all believe that. I'll, I'll, you know, on my own time, I'll be using it. On my own time. Brylan: But this is the thing. This was already a kid doing numbers on her peers. You Rodney: Right. Brylan: don't think she about to do like bro, she about to do laps. Rodney: Right, exactly. It's it s so right, right. 'Cause cause not you don't open the you don't open you don't open the whole so it's just like it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: It's crazy. So I'm excited for her and I hope hopefully she 'cause once you once you see it, you you're not gonna go backwards. So she's only gonna go forward. She's starting at a younger age. And so that's that's that's inspiring story to me. And then and shout out to that girl on on threads. I don't know, I don't remember who she was, but don't feel bad. And don't listen to anybody that must have been you lost 40, 50 pounds. You should be proud of that. You found a way to lose weight without having to pay a trainer using a a either a free or a twenty dollar subscription on Chat GBT. You or somebody like Brian said that people should be following, not hating on or shaming. And feeling guilty about it. Don't feel guilty at all. Don't feel bad at all about anything that you're doing. You've done nothing wrong. You're not guilty. That's what people gotta understand. Y'all have done nothing wrong. You have done nothing wrong. You have not hurt anybody. You have not killed anybody. You have not lied to anybody. You have not done anything wrong. This world is trying to make people feel guilty before they've done anything. You have done nothing wrong. Just remember, you've done nothing wrong. But yeah. Brylan: Well said, bro. Well said, bro. Rodney: Yeah. Yeah, we can yeah we can wrap it up. We can wrap it up. I think this was a good one. And yeah, Dra Dra should be back next week. And for anybody listen who listened this thus far, we have a Patreon, you know, f find us on Patreon, we have Instagram, I don't think we have a Twitter But yeah, you know, join our Patreon and find us on YouTube or Instagram and we'll be back next week. Brylan: Yeah, and I would say, you know, before we jump, yeah, like this is a conversation, right? Not only between us, but between us and you, right? And so these times are shifting quickly underneath our feet, just as quick as, you know, they may be shifting under yours as well, right? And so we're literally learning on the go and would love to learn with you. So don't feel, you know, hesitant to, you know, leave us a comment if there's something you you disagree with. or if there's something, you know, you would like for us, you know, for us to share our thoughts on. so Rodney: Yes. Brylan: yeah, yeah, let's lean into the conversation. Rodney: We're we're not mad if you're mad at what we say. We'll put it like that. If you if you're Brylan: Facts, facts. Rodney: if you're mad at what we say, we're not mad. Get mad. You know what I'm saying? But you might not feel mad. Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: You might you might you might feel good about what we say. But if you are mad, we're not mad you mad. We get that. What we want to do is we want people to get closer to the wealth. Right. So if you're looking at your situation and you want to improve that, we all aligned. We all aligned there. No evil stuff, no bad stuff, no none of that. We all align on building. Right? So let's do that. Brylan: All right, brother. Now this was good. Rodney: Yeah.