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How AI is Transforming Healthcare in Africa · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of Chatting with the Experts, the show where
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  I speak with incredible women from Africa, from the Caribbean, and in the diaspora.
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  These women are successful business women, successful professional women,
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  and they share my mission, which is to educate women all over the world, to
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  encourage women and to empower women globally.
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  The title of today's episode is Build to Rise, and my guest who will join me
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  shortly is a healthcare innovator who brings wellness, medication safety,
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  and digital health to improve outcomes across Africa and in the diaspora.
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  She's a pharmacist entrepreneur, and as I said, she's a wellness expert and
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  she's also an AI healthcare innovator.
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  She is the founder of NaturEllie and PharmaEllie, where she blends prevention,
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  digital health, and purpose-driven leadership, to improve healthcare
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  outcomes across Africa and the diaspora.
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  And with that, I welcome Annouchka Ondias-Kouamé also
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  known as Dr. Okay, to the show.
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  Welcome Dr. Annouchka to the show.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you so much for saying yes.
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  I appreciate you taking time to come and educate us on so many things.
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  Your bio is an is impressive.
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  You are an pharmacist and entrepreneur.
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  You're an wellness expert, and you're an AI healthcare innovator.
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  Wow.
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  How did you go from pharmacy to being an innovator?
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  First of all, you know, I came to the United States' as an
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  international student in 1996.
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  So I went to high school here in New York.
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  So I went to school to study pharmacy.
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  So I went to pharmacy school in New York where I graduating
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  in from St. John's University.
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  So, after graduation I moved to Maryland and I started working as a pharmacist.
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  So I have a strong clinical pharmacy background.
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  I worked for different hospitals.
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  I expanded my traditional practice to build purpose-driven health and
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  wellness businesses across Africa, specifically in Gabon where I have
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  a health and wellness center where I specialize in vitamins supplement.
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  And also in Ivory Coast, I have a health and wellness center there.
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  So I transitioned from pharmacists to entrepreneurship
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  because God gave me a vision.
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  God gave me a vision to impact.
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  He gave me a purpose.
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  So I wanted to be committed to my purpose and impact people positively for people
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  to feel better, to live in good health.
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  There's also a story behind my health and wellness center,
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  because it's been 14 years now.
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  I'm a cancer survivor.
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  Wow.
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  Yes.
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  So, during 14 years ago during my treatment, I met a lady who told
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  me to take vitamin C every day.
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  So that's how I started doing research on vitamins.
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  And I found that vitamin can protect you from getting cancer.
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  That's how NaturEllie was born.
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  So you're cancer survivor?
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  Yeah.
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  14 years now.
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  14 years.
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  I am celebrating with you.
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  Yeah.
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  And through that experience?
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  Experience, yes.
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  NaturEllie was born.
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  Born, yes.
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  Okay.
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  So it sounds to me like NaturEllie is less pharmaceutical
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  and more like using natural.
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  Yeah, because I wanted to, you know, and also, you know, I wanted to transition
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  to entrepreneurship because I didn't want my nine to five to leverage me.
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  I wanted to leverage my nine to five.
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  I wanted to turn my experience, my skill to make impact and make profit.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Because I believe that we are born.
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  I believe that God gave us the power.
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  It's in the Bible.
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  He gave us the power to get wealth.
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  Yes.
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  I believe that all of us should be millionaires.
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  I agree.
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  All of us, you know, we have to be audacious to make an impact,
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  to get out of our comfort zone.
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  That's why I decided to transition from pharmacist to entrepreneur.
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  Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
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  So that's why I mean your unfortunate illness, which thank God you.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And also looking at scriptures, the Bible.
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  The Bible, yeah.
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  Encouraged you to...
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  Encourage.
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  Yeah.
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  Transition from...
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  Transition.
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  Yes.
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  Pharmacy.
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  Yes.
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  To entrepreneurship.
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  Entrepreneur.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  So let's talk about.
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  How does pharmacy meet AI?
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  How does wellness meet AI?
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  How does AI come into this?
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  Because 14 years ago there was no AI.
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  You know, there was AI, but we didn't know about it.
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  You're right.
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  As I said that I got a check in my spirit.
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  There was AI.
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  We didn't know about it,
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  unfortunately.
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  Because people who knew about AI, they're millionaires now.
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  Yep.
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  You are so right.
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  And we were hailing them and say, how do they, you know, how do they do that?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  They're millionaires.
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  Now, people who knew AI 20 years ago, because I'm following
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  this girl, she's an AI expert.
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  She's been in AI 20 years ago,
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  so it exists.
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  So because we weren't aware of it.
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  We just weren't aware of it, just...
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  So, now we are just aware of it because it's getting implemented
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  everywhere in America now.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So it's a new era.
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  It's the era of digitalization is the era of AI now after COVID now.
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  Yes.
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  So, so, so it's a mindset shift.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  It is a mindset shift, because a lot of people still don't believe in AI.
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  Can you imagine?
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  No, I can't.
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  It impacts our lives, so...
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  Especially in Africa.
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  I have a lot of friends.
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  They don't believe in AI.
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  The AI is coming after us.
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  So if you don't learn, if you don't learn AI, study AI now.
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  In 5 years, 10 years, you are done.
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  I don't know even know if we have as much as five years.
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  It's, I mean,
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  it's here now.
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  It's here,
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  it's here.
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  And it's impacting our lives very rapidly.
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  I mean,
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  Rapidly.
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  Yes.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Even if you look at the models, you know, they go at 4.0 and
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  now we at 5.2 for the ChatGPT...
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  Yes.
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  At least.
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  So yeah, it's moving very quickly.
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  Yes.
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  So, you know, I'm a pharmacist, right?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I have a health and wellness business.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I have a consulting business where I do medication therapy management.
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  I do drug safety.
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  I do pharmacovigilance but this year I combine AI in my business.
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  Okay.
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  So when you have a business, you have to combine it with AI now.
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  Because that's where you get a lot of opportunities.
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  Because there's a lot of money on grants, contract here in America, even in Africa.
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  Now, when you have a AI business, you have a lot of opportunity
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  to get grants, to get contract.
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  So you have to go after the opportunity.
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  Do you understand?
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  So it is a mindset shift.
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  So the way I think now, people will not understand me.
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  But if you do a lot of research, you follow a lot of people who does AI, you
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  will understand that AI is already there.
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  So you have to take the opportunity to learn AI and teach
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  AI to impact and make a profit.
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  So tell me how you are, okay, let's talk about wellness now.
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  How are you using AI for, you know, prevention as a digital health tool?
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  I know that your business is primarily in Africa and Gabon
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  and Ivory Coast, if I recall.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  How are you using AI now to help, you know, improve health and wellness,
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  improve the healthcare back in those two countries because I know you
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  are tied to those two countries?
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  So it's AI, AI is fast.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  If I have a client, he has a concern, he has a lot of questions,
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  AI will help me, like I use...
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  Mm-hmm.
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  ChatGPT a lot.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So it helped me to personalize my wellness guidance.
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  You know, I use AI to help translate heart health and vitamin information
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  into personalized easy to understand wellness guidance based on lifestyle,
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  symptom and the client goals, so the client can make informed safer choices.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So I use AI to educate.
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  I do a lot of workshop.
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  I use AI to do my workshop.
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  It allows me to educate people, thousands of people at once through digital tool,
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  content, workshop, chat based on support about, I know I teach about prevention,
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  self care, and without, you know, without replacing medical advice, of course.
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  So I do a lot of stuff with AI.
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  It helps me a lot and it's fast and I get access beyond borders.
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  So it helps me reach community in Africa easy and the diaspora who lack easy
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  access to healthcare education, bringing trusted knowledge, wellness knowledge to
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  the phones in a cultural relevant way.
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  So it's AI . Everything's digital now.
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  I do podcasts, I do work workshop.
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  I do masterclass.
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  That's very impressive.
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  Like you with a background in pharmacy are now incorporating
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  technology into what you do.
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  Technology.
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  Yes.
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  In order to create awareness and to help people.
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  Yes, yes.
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  So people will ask me, oh, you're not an expert in AI in IT.
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  You don't need an IT background to know AI.
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  You just need to read to be curious.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So are you now, in addition to, you know, the healthcare as you say,
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  expanding your business too, you know.
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  Because with AI you're using it to like, as you say, quickly diagnose or
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  help someone who has a medical concern.
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  And the main two countries, again, I'm gonna say Gabon and Ivory Coast.
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  Are you also using it as a tool to educate them, you know, showing
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  them how to use AI for their day-to-day living, how to use AI.
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  Like if they have to ask a question or they're reading something in
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  French, they can use it to translate very quickly into English and
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  other, you know, educational...
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  yes,
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  in ways?
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  Yes, AI will translate it in French for me and for them.
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  For them.
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  So I know you talk about building impact across Africa, expanding that like, you
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  know, how do you scale that in a way that is purposeful and the people that
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  you're talking will realize that there is a purpose behind the work you're doing?
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  Like building across Africa?
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  Yes.
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  You said you're breaking down borders because of what you're doing, and
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  how are you scaling, you know, purpose-driven health businesses between
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  Africa and let's break it down again.
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  There are two countries in Africa that you're really concentrating on.
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  Am I correct?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  So how are you breaking down those borders and scaling businesses between
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  the US and Gabon and Ivory Coast?
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  You know, people always say, how do you have a business in Africa?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  How do you trust people?
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  They're going to steal your money.
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  Hey!
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  They're going to do this, they're going to do that.
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  How do you cope?
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  You know, business is taking risk.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  You know, risk is faith.
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  Like I say I'm always going to quote the Bible because I'm here
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  today because of the grace of God.
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  Amen.
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  Go.
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  I'm here today.
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  Go ahead.
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  I'm also... I also quote the Bible.
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  I'm a Bible believeing podcaster.
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  Yeah.
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  So I start taking my vitamins because I went through something.
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  Maybe God wanted me to grow through it.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  To make an impact.
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  Sometime we go through suffering.
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  Maybe there's a purpose behind it.
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  And today I am alive.
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  I am in good health.
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  A hundred percent.
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  They are even surprised.
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  Like I just want to thank God.
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  That's why I created it.
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  So everything I do is faith-based.
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  Having a business in Africa and you live in United States or Europe is very hard.
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  But you have to believe in your vision because God gave me a vision, right?
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  That I have to fulfill.
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  I have to be committed.
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  So God will always make a way what there seem to be no way.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm not saying that having a business in Africa, it's easy, but
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  business in general is not easy.
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  Correct.
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  Even here in America, people have business here.
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  They still get... people steal, they still have problems.
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  Right.
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  That's why we have spam preventor and scam.
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  That's why.
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  Right?
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  Yep.
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  That's how you have to believe in your business you have, because nobody else
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  will believe in what you are doing.
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  It's only you.
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  So you will have the naysayers.
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  People will say negative stuff, but you have to stay focused.
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  You have to stay.
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  You have to be disciplined because through discipline, it brings consistency.
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  It will bring success.
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  But if you're not disciplined, if you're not focused, you fail.
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  A lot of my colleagues, a lot of my, the African friend, they are scared to have
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  business in Africa, but you cannot be scared because God didn't give us a spirit
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  of faith, spirit of parliament sign.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So you have to use that power that God gave you, believe in
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  your vision, have the business and God will take care of the rest.
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  There's going to be up and down.
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  You know, I opened since 2021 in Gabon.
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  I was in a small boutique, a small place.
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  People stole.
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  You know, my sales assistant stole money, but I'm not going to let that to close.
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  That's how I'm going to think.
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  I'm going to sit down.
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  I'm going to scare the business.
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  I'm going to put system to prevent theft.
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  You have to put systems.
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  You have to scale.
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  You have to automate.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But in order to do that, you have to spend money to make money.
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  Yes.
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  So a lot of people are scared to spend money, but business, you
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  have to spend a lot of money.
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  I lost a lot of money.
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  I spend a lot of money.
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  Now, I see the profit.
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  A lot of people they are not patient especially African.
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  We are not patient.
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  We want to see the result right away.
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  No business.
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  Business is not like that.
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  It's perseverance.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  You have to try it.
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  Try it, try it, like iterate, iterate.
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  Start it over again.
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  Be disciplined, be focused.
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  And you'll see that your business will succeed after.
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  And you know, and you need to look for partnership...
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  Collaborations.
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  No Operations.
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  You know, it's very hard in Africa when you bought from a America,
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  you had to go through customs.
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  You had to pay them.
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  You had to get this papers to open your business.
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  So there's a lot of stuff, but everything is possible.
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  It is always possible.
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  Sometime they come and do inspection.
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  You don't have this document, you don't have this document.
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  You learn every day in business.
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  Absolutely.
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  Yes.
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  And also when they see that you are trusted because I
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  lead with trust, education.
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  I do a lot of workshop there.
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  So they know you.
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  They will trust you.
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  And that's how you get contract.
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  Yeah.
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  They know you.
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  They trust you.
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  They trust you,
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  and they get contracts.
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  So, now you're talking about contracts, and you're talking about contracts.
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  Let's focus on Africa, talking about contracts in Gabon and Ivory Coast.
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  So how have you been able to revolutionize, like drug safety?
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  How have you been able to get contracts that has enabled you to
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  go into some of the rural areas and do medication management?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  How have you been able to do that?
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  Because I know that, as you rightfully said, there are lots of obstacles
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  that you have to overcome, but I think with using AI, how have you been able
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  to overcome some of those obstacles?
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  Like being able to, you know, talk about medication safety?
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  'cause that's a problem we have back... well I'm also from Africa.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, how have you been able to use AI for that?
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  I think I've repeated that question over, over because I'm very interested.
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  So for my AI business now...
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  mm-hmm.
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  It's still a startup.
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  Okay.
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  It's still a startup.
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  So, I'm looking for investors.
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  Oh, okay.
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  So I haven't got any contract yet, but I have investors that are interested.
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  Okay,
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  so I'm preparing for pitches.
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  You know, I go and talk about it.
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  Okay.
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  And hopefully, because I have one investor who is interested.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Because it's about drug safety, pharmacovigilance, you know, there's
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  a lot of mistake, a lot of drug safety issue, especially in my country.
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  I don't know about other countries.
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  But when I read the article, there's a lot of drug safety,
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  pharmacovigilance issue in Africa.
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  So that's why I wanted to bring out, you know, I wanted to combine AI, you know,
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  to help this country, to help the hospital with a system, to catch medication
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  error, to prevent medication error.
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  I know that happens and there's less accountability there.
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  Yeah.
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  So PharmaEllie, you know, it focuses what is often neglected, you know,
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  like medication therapy management, pharmacovigilance and error prevention,
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  areas that directly impact patient safety.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Patient safety and healthcare costs because there's a lot of mistakes
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  that can be prevented through the system through, through AI.
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  Why so true?
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  That's so true.
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  So just before we wrap up, because I mean, I'm really
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  intrigued with what you're doing.
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  Can you tell us about one case without disclosing names that you've seen, how you
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  know what you're doing has been helpful in either Gabon or in Ivory Coast?
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  Where you've been able to use AI in like, what did you mention?
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  In
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  like doing,
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  helping?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Go ahead.
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  Like, like mostly AI or the NaturEllie side?
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  Yeah, I was thinking about like, have you had a case, I know this, you said
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  this is a startup, so have you had an opportunity to actually use AI in a
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  case with a patient in Gabon or Ivory Coast where you were able to use AI to
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  facilitate the drug safety or to even help with the medication management?
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  If we had any case like that, or it's too early to call that at the moment.
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  It's too early to call that because I'm still a startup.
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  Okay.
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  I'm still a startup but I talked with Director of the Health Center in Gabon.
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  Okay.
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  So they have a huge issue with drug safety.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So I gave him some advice.
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  Some advice about implemented AI, you know, implemented AI combining with
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  pharmacovigilance and drug safety.
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  So right now I'm planning to go back to Gabon in March to meet him and talk
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  about my platform, you know, the AI power pharmacovigilance and drug safety.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  To see if they'll be interested in implementing it.
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  Okay.
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  But with NaturEllie, I have a lot of cases.
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  Alright.
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  Because that was good.
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  That's why I smiled and said, okay, now let's go to NaturEllie.
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  Yeah.
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  Because that one I know was before this one PharmaEllie.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So, you know, NaturEllie, I have a lot of cases .I have a lot of clients,
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  you know, that come to me, that are suffering from chronic condition
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  like hypertension, diabetes, cancer.
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  And you know, I gave them an advice on what vitamin to take.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So when I gave them the recommendation and they buy it, a month after, they'll come
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  back to me and say that they feel better.
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  So I get very good testimonies.
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  Wonderful.
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  I get good testimonies.
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  You know, I get very good testimony through my consultation.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Because before the consultation when I have a client, you know,
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  who want to talk to me, who want to go through the consultation,
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  you know, I pay a lot of attention.
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  I ask them what they need, I ask them a lot of question, and from them,
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  I came back with recommendation.
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  So it takes a lot of research for me because I have to make
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  sure that the vitamin is good.
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  It's a quality vitamin.
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  You know, I don't buy anything everywhere.
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  I buy organic quality vitamins, and I know that the vitamins will work on the
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  client and the client will feel better.
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  And a month, two months after you come back and give a testimony.
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  So that's what I'm looking for.
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  And that doesn't in any way prevent because like pharmaceutical, there's
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  big pharma and then there's the natural organic going back to the roots.
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  They're kind of like an opposite ends of the spectrum, aren't they?
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  So I'm thinking that because you are a pharmacist, you are
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  also able to know that, okay.
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  Yeah.
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  Yes, go ahead.
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  Because everything is NaturEllie.
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  NaturEllie is mostly my story, what I went through.
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  NaturEllie is nature and Elijah.
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  I just wanted to, you know.
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  Ah, that's where that comes from.
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  That comes from, yeah.
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  It just to say, thank you, God.
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  Nature, God created the earth.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And everything nature.
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  It's healing, it's therapeutic.
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  And Ellie is, Elijah is God.
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  Mm.
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  Now PharmaEllie is pharmacy and God, because I'm a pharmacist.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And everything in PharmaEllie is what I'm doing at work as a pharmacist.
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  So it's my skill, my experience combining with AI.
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  I made it a business.
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  Sure.
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  Whereas NaturEllie is your story.
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  It's my story.
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  Yeah.
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  PharmaEllie is my experience as a pharmacist combining with AI
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  to say God gave me the knowledge.
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  Right?
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  Got you.
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  And I have a third business now, a coaching business, which is a
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  faith-based business coaching.
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  I said faith-based because God gave us, like, I would say everything is possible
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  through God, we give you strength.
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  So you can do anything you want in life through God if you want it.
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  You can do anything.
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  Anything, if you put your mind into it.
• 25:55
  I agree.
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  I agree 100%.
• 25:58
  Yeah, but that would have to be for another show.
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  You talk about you using faith, leadership and your coaching, because
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  that's what I'm hearing from you.
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  Yeah.
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  You know?
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  Yeah.
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  Because we all have, we have to be a millionaires because I don't
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  know why we cannot be millionaires.
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  If this person is a millionaire, I can do it too.
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  Right?
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  It's not about jealousy, envy.
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  No, you can do it too.
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  I also see in your passion to help, it's not just about you.
• 26:28
  Yeah.
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  I want to help too.
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  I love to help people.
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  I'm a very nice person.
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  I'm very enthusiastic.
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  Mm-hmm.
• 26:38
  You know, I... what can I say?
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  I'm very...
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  Dynamic.
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  I'm very enthusiastic.
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  People will say I'm like my father.
• 26:44
  Hmm.
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  My father was a businessman.
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  Ah, that's,
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  he was a general of the army and general of the army and the businessman.
• 26:52
  Hmm.
• 26:55
  Yeah.
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  And I know what I want.
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  And you go after it.
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  I want to be a millionaire, so I have to go after it.
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  Go after it.
• 27:04
  Right?
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  I commend for that.
• 27:07
  I celebrate you for that.
• 27:12
  Alright, so, because we know that people in the audience who wanna ask
• 27:15
  you questions, but then this is also gonna live on YouTube and Apple Podcast
• 27:21
  and Spotify, someone who is listening or viewing this show, if they've heard
• 27:26
  you, that what you're doing and they're very interested in getting in touch with
• 27:30
  you, where can they find you online?
• 27:34
  Oh, sorry.
• 27:35
  Can you repeat it?
• 27:36
  Let me...
• 27:37
  Oh, okay.
• 27:37
  So I'm asking how can people get in touch with you?
• 27:41
  If they would like, if they're not in the audience, they're listening to this at a
• 27:44
  later date because it's gonna be an audio podcast on Spotify and Apple Podcast,
• 27:50
  and it's also gonna live on YouTube.
• 27:52
  If someone is listening or viewing this and they want to talk with
• 27:55
  you or get in touch with you,
• 27:57
  They can get in touch through LinkedIn.
• 27:59
  It's under Annouchka Ondias-Kouamé.
• 28:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:02
  They can get me on Facebook, Annouchka Ondias-Kouamé . They can get me
• 28:07
  on Instagram on the dr.kanouche.
• 28:13
  They can get me on social media.
• 28:16
  Okay.
• 28:16
  Alright, so we've dropped all of that in the chat so that anyone, and it'll be
• 28:23
  in the show notes too, so if anyone is trying to get in touch with you, they can.
• 28:27
  Yes, exactly.
• 28:28
  Yes.
• 28:29
  Okay.
• 28:29
  Yes.
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  For those of you who have heard the story of this dynamic entrepreneurial pharmacist
• 28:38
  who is using pharmacy and AI to improve healthcare in the two countries in West
• 28:46
  Africa, that she's very much connected with, which are Gabon and Ivory Coast.
• 28:53
  If you'd like to be a guest, just as she has been, on Chatting with the Experts,
• 28:57
  reach out to me on my website, which is chattingwiththeexperts.com, or you can get
• 29:03
  in touch with me on LinkedIn, my business page there is Chatting with the Experts.
• 29:07
  You can also look for Paula Okonneh.
• 29:10
  That's my profile.
• 29:11
  I am on Instagram.
• 29:13
  My handle there is at chat_experts_podcast.
• 29:19
  I'm also on Facebook.
• 29:22
  My business page there is Chatting with the Experts and you can
• 29:26
  also search for Paula Okonneh.
• 29:28
  And last but not least, but very impactful is our YouTube channel.
• 29:33
  I ask that you subscribe and like, and support us as we showcase the
• 29:39
  voices of experts from Africa, from the Caribbean, and in the diaspora
• 29:47
  who are educating women, who are encouraging women and empowering women.
• 29:54
  Not just in Africa, but all over the world.
• 29:58
  Thank you so much, Dr. Annouchka, and now we open up the floor for those who
• 30:05
  have joined us to engage with you even more and ask you additional questions.
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  Thank you.