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Spoiled Saturday: Dangerous Animals · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I want my stuff. I never told you affective, iHeartRadio,
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  Speaker 2: and today we have a spoiled Saturday for you. Very
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  Speaker 2: recent movie came out in twenty twenty five, so yes,
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  Speaker 2: spoilers perhaps goes without say, but yeah, this was a
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  Speaker 2: movie I discovered and I just loved, and I immediately
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  Speaker 2: was like, I really want to talk about this. It's
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  Speaker 2: technically more of a summer horror movie, but it does
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  Speaker 2: involve sharks eating people, and this is the season of
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  Speaker 2: eating so.
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  Speaker 1: Live in Australia, so maybe that's true. You know, the
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  Speaker 1: weather's different. Did you discover this movie? Because this was
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  Speaker 1: not on my radar at all? And when you were
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  Speaker 1: even telling me the title, I thought you were just
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  Speaker 1: describing it like that. Was that confused about it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the movie's called Dangerous Animals. I think because
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  Speaker 2: I love horror movies so much, I get legit notifications
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  Speaker 2: on my phone, like there's this new horror movie and
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  Speaker 2: it'll be something I've never heard of, like hardly anyone's
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  Speaker 2: ever heard of. And I'm pretty sure that's how I
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  Speaker 2: found this one. But I heard, I had heard there
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of good buzz about it. And people
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  Speaker 2: were excited. And what often happens. I have a list
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  Speaker 2: on my phone of horror movies I want to watch,
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  Speaker 2: but when they're from other countries or smaller, they might
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  Speaker 2: not be released, so I can't watch them. So I
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  Speaker 2: have a long list of horror movies that I've been
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  Speaker 2: waiting to watch, and this one is from Australia and
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  Speaker 2: I think i'd like had a notification on this site.
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  Speaker 2: I have of like when is this horror movie available?
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  Speaker 2: Where can I watch it? And it popped up. So
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  Speaker 2: I've been trying to watch this for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Actually ready, I was so ready. I do. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know why, but I love shark movies. I have a
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  Speaker 2: good friend who also loves shark movies, and we just
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  Speaker 2: send like the strangest shark movie we can find, just
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  Speaker 2: the cover and the description and no other explanation. That's
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  Speaker 2: just our texting relationship. I don't know. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's something about the like I did love
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  Speaker 2: Jaws as a kid, my d And it's the fiftieth
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  Speaker 2: anniversary of Jaws, by the way, And actually said friend
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  Speaker 2: is going as a Jaws character this year. Yes, and
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  Speaker 2: also a friend of the show, Lauren is going as
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  Speaker 2: Jaws and her kitten, who's named after Bruce, the shark
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  Speaker 2: from Jaws, is gonna be have a fin on her back.
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  Speaker 2: Very cute, but I guess it kind of reminds me
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  Speaker 2: of my weird phase I went through that we talked
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  Speaker 2: about on the show where I loved like Mountain Disaster movie.
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  Speaker 2: There's something about like the nature of it.
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  Speaker 1: I am petrified of dark waters, so I have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of phobias, but this definitely this is up there
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  Speaker 1: with the heights and clowns, both of those things. But
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  Speaker 1: like seeing those things, I was like, yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: You'll never see me anywhere near this area, because like
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  Speaker 1: I went snorkeling, not even like scuba diving, but snorkeling
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  Speaker 1: and Puerto Rico oceans, Puerto Rican oceans, and I saw
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  Speaker 1: what was down there and there are so many things
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  Speaker 1: near my feet that could eat me or bite me
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  Speaker 1: that I was like nope, and I immediately got out,
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  Speaker 1: immediately got out because and so just the thought of
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  Speaker 1: like not being able to stand and not being able
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  Speaker 1: to see how far down or what is down there? Helena, Helena, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is scary. I mean I was a weird kid,
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  Speaker 2: and I would watch Jaws every summer to kick off
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  Speaker 2: the summer, and I would tell myself, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have been scared of this if you had watched Jaws.
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  Speaker 2: But then I used to get the debate with myself,
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  Speaker 2: do you think it'd be scared to see the fin
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  Speaker 2: coming for you or to just like not see it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, not seeing to me, see it's worse. At least
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  Speaker 1: I know like where it's coming from, and then I
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  Speaker 1: can stare it down. And even though that's like the
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  Speaker 1: anticipation is still scary, but like not knowing where it's
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  Speaker 1: coming from, and every little thing that touches you, it's bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. I don't think I ever
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  Speaker 2: fully decided. But there used to be a lot of dolphins.
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  Speaker 2: You saw it when you visited my beach house. There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of dolphins in that area. And one time
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  Speaker 2: I saw one and I could have sworn up and down.
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  Speaker 2: It was a shark fin and I just like shut
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  Speaker 2: down immediately.
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  Speaker 1: This is it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a huge genre. And that was one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons I wanted to talk about this movie.
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  Speaker 2: If I had time, I would do a whole podcast
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  Speaker 2: that was just me talking about all the shark movies
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  Speaker 2: you can watch out there, and I've seen quite a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them. But I have been wanting to talk
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  Speaker 2: about that in terms of women and sharks for a while.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are. Here we are with this movie
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  Speaker 2: that I thought was a good a platform for that.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about sharks a couple of times, haven't we
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  Speaker 1: we have.
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  Speaker 2: If you would like to see our past episode we
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  Speaker 2: did on shark women in Shark Science, I would recommend it.
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  Speaker 2: It does start with discussion of Joss for the Revenge,
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  Speaker 2: a Christmas movie if I've ever seen one. Also quite
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  Speaker 2: a bad film, but.
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  Speaker 1: I will say the ending on this better than The
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  Speaker 1: Mummy Too, but still very much cgi.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it is. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like the Mummy Too had a lot more money than
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  Speaker 2: this movie did.
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  Speaker 1: Probably, so Mummy Too is epic and it's oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: why yeah who did this? But yeah, and so in comparison,
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  Speaker 1: everything is better, every everything, but yeah, score page him
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  Speaker 1: almost waving anyway, keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, So we are talking about the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five survival horror serial killer movie Dangerous Animals, which
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  Speaker 2: is written by Nick Laparde and directed by Sean Byrne
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  Speaker 2: and stars Hasse Harrison, Jay Courtney, and Josh Houston. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I love this movie. I was so excited to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it. But if that, if that description is making
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  Speaker 2: you scratch your head, let us get into the plot.
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  Speaker 2: The movie opens with a pair of tourists in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: a man and a woman, Greg and Heather, and they're
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  Speaker 2: signing up for a last minute shark cage tour with
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  Speaker 2: a local man, Tucker, who goes out of his way
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  Speaker 2: to ask if they have anyone expecting them, all that
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. As they drive out on his boat
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  Speaker 2: into the waters, he tells them he was bitten by
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  Speaker 2: a shark as a child and that his mom did
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  Speaker 2: nothing about it, and he shows shows them the scars.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of kind of like, oh, yeah, it's all cool.
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  Speaker 2: It gave me new perspective a the way. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 2: awkward silences in the opening, even a.
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  Speaker 1: Creepy man warning them this dude is not good.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, I mean, going back to another topic we've
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  Speaker 2: done around women and not being believed in horror movies.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell Heather was like, maybe we shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: doing this.
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  Speaker 1: He kept doing like, why did you talk me into this? Why?
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  Speaker 1: How did we do? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: But Greg, you know, he's gung ho, he's let's go ahead,
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  Speaker 2: let's go do this. Yes. Yes. They arrive at a
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  Speaker 2: good spot and Heather is clearly on edge and wants
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  Speaker 2: to back out. She doesn't want to do this anymore. However,
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  Speaker 2: Tucker jokes with her and starts to sing baby Shark
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  Speaker 2: to get her to relax. It was quite mean. So
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  Speaker 2: they do get into the shark cage and they see
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  Speaker 2: just so many sharks and they have this really wonderful
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  Speaker 2: time and when they're pulled back up, they're exuberant about it.
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  Speaker 2: They're so happy they did it. But then Tucker stabs
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  Speaker 2: the man in the throat, pushes him in the water,
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  Speaker 2: and Heather screams, cut too are It's a very astonishing cut.
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  Speaker 2: Then we go to our lead character, an American woman
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  Speaker 2: named Zephyr. She's a bit of a drifter and is
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  Speaker 2: in Australia surfing and generally avoiding things. It seems she
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  Speaker 2: sleeps in her big van. While shoplifting at a local
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  Speaker 2: gas station, she encounters Moses, whose car battery won't start,
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  Speaker 2: and he asks her for help, but she refuses until
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  Speaker 2: he confronts her in the parking lot and threatens to
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  Speaker 2: turn her in for shoplifting, so reluctantly she agrees and
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  Speaker 2: they kind of bond over music, though she makes fun
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  Speaker 2: of his song taste as being too simple and about love.
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  Speaker 2: She does start his battery in more ways than one hah,
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  Speaker 2: because they have sex in her van. Oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 2: I wrote that down in the outline just so everyone knows.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so proud of myself. They then discuss Zephyr's plans
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, you know what if you stayed for
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  Speaker 2: a long term kind of thing, we could get to
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  Speaker 2: know each other, and then he goes to make her
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  Speaker 2: breakfast because they're kind of parked outside of his house
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  Speaker 2: at this point. She leaves to go surfing while it
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  Speaker 2: is still pitch black outside, and then she encounters who
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  Speaker 2: we know to be the Killer Tucker, asking to borrow
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  Speaker 2: something from him. She receives a text from Moses, who
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  Speaker 2: is like, I mador breakfast. Can I join you surfing?
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  Speaker 2: And she types out a few responses that demonstrate she's
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  Speaker 2: into him, before subtling on something pretty vague like it's
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  Speaker 2: an open beach. Before she can send it, though, Tucker
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  Speaker 2: attacks and subdues her. She wakes up chained to a
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  Speaker 2: bed on the lower deck of his boat, and Heather
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  Speaker 2: is there, and she kind of explains what she knows
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  Speaker 2: about the situation. Zephyr realizes that Tucker has done this
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  Speaker 2: to numerous women based on the scratches on the wall.
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  Speaker 2: As she tries to break free of her cuffs, Heather
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  Speaker 2: reveals that her mom always wanted a certain kind of
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  Speaker 2: life for her and that she was afraid of exactly
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  Speaker 2: this kind of thing happening, and Zephyr shares that she
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  Speaker 2: grew up in a lot of foster homes and promises
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  Speaker 2: that Heather will get the chance to tell her mom
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  Speaker 2: that it is her life and her decisions. Zephyr tries
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  Speaker 2: to pick the cuffs using the underwire from Heather's swimsuit,
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  Speaker 2: but Tucker drugs the pair before she can. When they
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  Speaker 2: wake up, Zephyr is strapped to a chair and Heather
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  Speaker 2: is strapped in a harness, and Tucker explains that sharks
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  Speaker 2: are attracted to boats like his because of the chum
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  Speaker 2: that they use to attract the sharks for tourist activities,
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  Speaker 2: So even if there isn't any chum, they sort of
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  Speaker 2: show up, and he slowly, despite Zephyr's pleading, lowers Heather
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  Speaker 2: into the shark infested waters, filming as she is torn
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  Speaker 2: apart while Zephyr is forced to watch. Later, Zephyr escapes
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  Speaker 2: her room and then the skirmish throws the camera off
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  Speaker 2: the boat, and it's a really old school camera, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, it's like VHS old school. Tucker is furious
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  Speaker 2: and locks her back up, and we learn that he
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: has a terrifying amount of these videos of all the
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  Speaker 2: women he's killed. It looks like about thirty presumably drifters
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  Speaker 2: who wouldn't have had people looking for them or know
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  Speaker 2: where they were, and he attaches the lock of their
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  Speaker 2: hair to fishing hooks and puts them inside the video cases.
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  Speaker 2: The filming of the whole thing is really important to him,
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  Speaker 2: so he returns to land to get another camera. Meanwhile,
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: Moses is suspicious that he hasn't heard from Zephyr and
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  Speaker 2: is able to get some security camera footage that leads
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  Speaker 2: him to Tucker's boat. He sneaks on board and follows
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  Speaker 2: Zephyrs screams. She asks him to call the authorities and
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  Speaker 2: find something to help her pick the lock and Moses
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  Speaker 2: rushes to do so, but Tucker, now with a new camera,
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  Speaker 2: is back and attacks him. It's a back and forth,
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  Speaker 2: but eventually it looks like Moses is going to win
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  Speaker 2: this fight until Tucker's drunk doc neighbor comes in and
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  Speaker 2: knocks Moses out, and realizing that this is a witness,
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  Speaker 2: Tucker kills him. Kills the drunk guy, and his dog
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  Speaker 2: did get away. I made sure to warn you about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, she looks like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Forgiven, Yes, for dog makes it.
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  Speaker 1: Everyoneously, but the dog is fine.
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  Speaker 2: The dog, the dog did make it. So yeah, Tucker
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  Speaker 2: kills him and changs Moses up in the same room
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  Speaker 2: as Sephyr, and they talk about commitment and why Zephyr
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  Speaker 2: lefts and Moses is pretty injured by the way. At
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: this point, Tucker once again puts Zephyr in the chair
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  Speaker 2: and loads Moses into the harness, luring him into the water,
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  Speaker 2: and he makes a point to say, like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: normally do men or matine and all this stuff, so
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like not what his typical murdering is.
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  Speaker 2: Zephyr tells Moses to stay completely still, and he does,
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  Speaker 2: and the sharks pay him no attention, so annoyed Tucker
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  Speaker 2: stabs him over and over and then goes to lower
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  Speaker 2: him back down, but has a stop when a lifeguard
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  Speaker 2: helicopter flies over. So now Moses is gravely injured, and
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  Speaker 2: Zephyr bites off her thumb to escape from her handcuffs
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  Speaker 2: and makes another break for it. Another confrontation takes place
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  Speaker 2: between her and Tucker, and she is drugged in the process,
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  Speaker 2: but even so, she jumps into the water and swims
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  Speaker 2: toward a wedding venue that she seen. There's like a
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  Speaker 2: party cruise boat in a wedding venue that she can see,
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  Speaker 2: and she's making it. But before she can alert anyone,
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  Speaker 2: Tucker catches up to her in his small little boat
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  Speaker 2: and subdues her again. When she wakes up, she is
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  Speaker 2: now in the harness, while Moses is in the chair
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  Speaker 2: forced to watch, Tucker monologues about how she is a marlin,
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  Speaker 2: a fish that is constantly running and fighting, and that's
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  Speaker 2: the thrill of catching them. An enormous great white appears
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  Speaker 2: as she is placed in the water, and she remains
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  Speaker 2: still as she advised Moses to do. She's able to
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  Speaker 2: free herself from the harness, but falls back into the
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  Speaker 2: water and holds her breath As she encounters this great
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  Speaker 2: white under the water again, It seemingly gives her a
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  Speaker 2: good look and swims away. Zephyr sneaks back onto the boat,
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  Speaker 2: grabs Tucker's fear gun and shoots him with it after
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  Speaker 2: quoting a line from the song she made fun of
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  Speaker 2: Moses for liking. Tucker falls into the water, and as
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  Speaker 2: the the camera films is eaten by the great white shark,
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  Speaker 2: Zephyr uses a flair gun to signal for help, and
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  Speaker 2: she and Moses talk about their future together. The end, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and the.
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  Speaker 1: Ending is where I'm talking about. You can see him
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  Speaker 1: and almost like waving as he's being eaten.
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  Speaker 2: He's like the camera's watching. No one's gonna help you,
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  Speaker 2: just like when my mom didn't help me either. It's
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: a wild ride. I really really, really really enjoy this movie.
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  Speaker 2: Oh but that does kind of transition into one of
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: the themes I wanted to talk about. And I looked
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  Speaker 2: into this because we have discussed it before. But there
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: is this idea of it being the mom's fault that
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: we you see a lot in Horror. It's not really
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  Speaker 2: explored that explicitly, but he does mention it in the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: it's clear he hates women, goes for women, and so
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  Speaker 2: one must assume that it's because of this origin story
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  Speaker 2: of him being attacked by a shark and his mom
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  Speaker 2: in his mind did not help him. Yeah. So one
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  Speaker 2: of the tagline for this movie is You're safer in
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  Speaker 2: the water. And Samith and I were discussing this before,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: but you know, the dangerous animals in this case would
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: be men, And it made me remember that episode we
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  Speaker 2: did when you were discussing the social media trend of
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  Speaker 2: like would you rather take on a bear or a man? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And this case, Zephyr at least, is much more like
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  Speaker 2: I will. She jumps in water so easily every time
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  Speaker 2: she gets away, and I'm always like sharks there, but
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  Speaker 2: she wants to get away from this man who she
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  Speaker 2: knows means her harm and will kill her. Uh. Using
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  Speaker 2: these sharks.
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  Speaker 1: She's such a point say they are not the monsters
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  Speaker 1: you are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well yeah obviously, and she does like I
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  Speaker 2: really like her as a character, but she I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's clear like she's got a lot of she's had
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  Speaker 2: a lot of bad experience with men, so she was
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: ready with that line. She was like, no, you're you're
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: blaming like this on all the wrong people. It should
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  Speaker 2: be yourself. The blame is where it goes.
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  Speaker 1: I find it interesting. I feel like a new not newer,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: it's definitely older, but like coming in to survivor horror
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  Speaker 1: type of movies that they're bringing in. They have to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: be orphans. I see that a lot. I see that
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  Speaker 1: a lot anyway, but like and also have attachment issues
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  Speaker 1: like they like they the women have to have an
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  Speaker 1: attachment issue. Yah, but on that front of being like,
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  Speaker 1: I would love for you to join, but she changes
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  Speaker 1: her mind and says, the ocean's free for everyone. Okay, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It is a new troupe that I've been seeing more
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  Speaker 1: and more.
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  Speaker 2: Of it is, and I do kind of like the
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: flip in this where Moses is the one that's like,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: why can't we what's the problem? Why are you running away?
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  Speaker 2: After they've had this sex and all.
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  Speaker 1: I will say when I was first watching it, I
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: was waiting to see if he was a bad guy. Mmm,
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't know for sure, because like the whole
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: boy jumping out of nowhere or helped me do my car,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: that's the whole thing I know it's I missed the RCT,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: but just saying it did get ye. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: is he a bad guy? Is he helping this dude?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: It's true he ate and he the drunk boat guy
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  Speaker 2: was helping him out.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't know there was murdering, right, He thought he
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  Speaker 1: was just scamming him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just thought it was a big scam. But
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  Speaker 2: he was directing people to take.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of which because the first like the first couple,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, don't go out there. She's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: be okay. She might be okay, but you won't like
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  Speaker 1: telling them like this that people are missing and lose
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: body parts out there, but good luck.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I warn them.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: It's a weird, like it's kind of how the cabin
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: in the woods they have that ominous like old man
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: warning them, and that's him at the very big But
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: then he's like, I try to talk to these people
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to come back.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: So he was very confusing, Yeah he was. He seemed
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: to like Tucker, but yeah, he was a confusing fellow.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I mean because he's like, what are you doing, man?
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: What is this bird doing down here? Doesn't he say
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: a bird? I always loved when they do, like what
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you'd like sexist title, right.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, and I think I kind of had
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: a because I knew what it was about. I knew
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: he was the bad guy before i'd even seen it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: But I mean, he is like eerie pretty immediately something
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: feels off about him. And I have to say, you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I wasn't a by any means a drifter or anything.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: But when I was in Australia, I couldn't contact my parents.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: That was just like that was also because it was
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: early earlier in our technology. It wasn't that long ago,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: but it was just so remote in a lot of
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: areas you can't I couldn't contact them, so my poor
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: parents they would get like a random email that would
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: say like everything's fine, but nothing else. So I was
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: thinking about that a lot in this movie, because he
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: does target people who he assumes no one will come
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: looking for, because you would think, like somebody would have
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: reported this tourist company have really.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Bad Well, no one knew they had thought that they
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: were doing because they just left them to the person.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: They just left them, so they didn't say where they
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: were going, who they were going to see. They gave
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: no notes. But then like did they have a neuber driver.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I was thinking this little earlier, like plausibly if they
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: actually researched, because or did search because the mother of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that girl's gonna eventually, like she came down here, where
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: is she figure out what? So that she was staying
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: at see cameras because you know there's CCTV everywhere that
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: picks up the lift or a taxi, and that taxi
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: would tell them where they dropped them off. Like eventually
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be notable.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I wonder if that's one of the reasons,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: if that's why they chose he always uses VHS right,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Like he's not thinking about he's been doing this for
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: so long, he's not thinking about like the current technology anymore,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and so maybe he was on the verge of getting
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: caught anyway, and that you know, I would love if
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: any listeners from Australia right in, because I have watched
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of Australian horror movies lately that do have
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: some pretty heavy themes around misogyny and feminism. Yeah, I'm
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: just kind of curious, like it could be it could
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: be just the algorithm. I don't know, but a lot
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of the horror movies I've seen coming out of Australia lately,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I've I've been like, huh, something's going.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: On right here, and it could because like I've seen that,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and like again for me, South Korea is like a
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: big focus and that's a big thing in that conversation
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and oftentimes there's always women targeted blah blah blah. But
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: like in Australia too, the one thing that I always
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: think of is all the amount of creatures in the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: vast amount of lands that aren't necessarily common and don't
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: have all of like the technology. Like in the US
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: there's not really undiscovered, not undiscovered, but like not very
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: settled areas. Maybe in Montana there's a little bit, but
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: even still like even in the deserts maybe, but there's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: so much technology and like access Okay, also Alaska, Alaska
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and Puerto Rico probably any of the territories maybe questionable
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: for sure. That's also why I think there's a good
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: bit of it, like some bit of dark like murder
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: mysteries and horror movies that come out of Alaska too.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I've seen a bit out of that, but you know
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's not so common and especially inland,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: like in the main parts of the US, so to
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: see like Australia, there's all like these levels are like no,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of this bush area, these air likes
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: can be really hard to get all this kind of signal.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just thinking twenty years ago,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: but that's what it seems like when I see horror movies,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: because I've seen several of like Survivor movies like that.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and again I was there twenty oh gosh,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: it was longer than that two thousand and eight. I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: was there in two thousand and eight, and it was
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, you would see signs that would say something
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: like eight hundred kilometers until the next douney, which the toilet.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: It's just it does have a feeling of just a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: lot of emptiness, especially in the middle. And I know
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that there are a lot of horror movies I've seen
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: out of Australia that are kind of similar to this,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: where there are there's a killer who's never been caught
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and he's been doing it for a long time just
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: because he was able to because there's like no technology
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: or that no one knows anything could have happened to
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: someone who got lost or something like that. So I
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: do find that interesting. Again, I would love to hear
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: from listeners because I have at least three other horror
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: movies that I've thought about talking about on the show
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that come from Australia that were very like tackling this misogyny.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean he does in this movie. He
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: does record and watch the films back. It's obviously a
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: very disturbing, joyous moment for him. He's like dancing and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: eating oh rewatch, yeah, enjoying his yeah, oh yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: One thing I did appreciate is that they didn't need
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to like violate women, like like sexually violate, which is
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: typically always especially in a movie in that tone. Don't
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: get me wrong, it's still very bad. It's still very bad,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: but they didn't need like when she was giving the underwire,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: she like covered herself and he didn't come, you know
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I was kind of surprised the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: word that tone took cause I was like, oh god,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be one more horn piece where they stick
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: this part in in which every woman in the world
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: is like, oh my god, what is It's comfortable and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: it arouses men like it's a very very male perspective,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and they didn't do that. I was like, huh, okay, okay,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and they still told a good horror story.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I liked that too. I was worried about oh,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: but I like they don't. It doesn't go on that territory.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It's still it is still very creepy because he's obviously
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: getting like when he's making the hook and he's keeping
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the hair, like he has these keepsakes. But it doesn't
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: go into that area. And I actually kind of liked that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It's such a small thing and it makes me sad.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: But when she asked for the wire, the underwire, like
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: that's such a girl's Nobody really knows about that outside.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: We don't talk about that. So I liked that. But
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I also thought about that. We're going to get more
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: into this in a second. But there's been a long
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: history of when it comes to not just horror, advertising
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: does this all the time, but kind of that consumption
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of women and shark movies really hit that all the nomes.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And so that scene where he is watching Heather, he's
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: watching the video of Heather just getting torn up and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: eaten heat and he's eating it's a it's a strange
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: kind of meta moment. Because you're watching it as the viewer,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: and you know, like I've potentially, if I like these
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: horror movies, been in that seat of just enjoying someone
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: get torn up. And it's a very uncomfortable moment that
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I thought was well done and enjoyed. So I don't
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: know what that does about me. I also did like
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I've always liked this, but I love Zephyr's refusal to
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: give up because I feel, again, this might say something
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: about me. I'm worried. I would I'm worried. At a
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: certain point, I would just be like I can't even
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: scream anymore, Like this is the kind of the hopelessness
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: of it. But she does not, like she attempts like
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: three or four escape.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, when she puts her name on the wall,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it felt like she might be giving up, especially in
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: discovering like not only with one other name, but there
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: was four other names, like she realized, oh, because he
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: had painted over some of the names, even like he
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: didn't want them to know too much. And then also
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: like making sure to memorialize Heather, which I was like, okay,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: but all of those things to be like it did
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: almost feel like it, but every time she almost gave up.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: This new hope did come back, like with form of
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Moses coming actually showing up, being able to get out
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: of the handcuffs the first time, it almost almost escaping
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the first time, and stuff like that, like knowing that
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: she'd or he had to dock the boat. That was
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: another hopeful moment. Like all these things. It almost like
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the world kept pushing her to try, and she was like, yes,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I'm listening.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. And he has that whole monologue where he's like, oh,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: they're in Marlin. They never quit. They're not the best,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: like cut of fish, but everybody wants one because the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: trophy of like capturing it, and he's comparing her to
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: that of like her constant trying to escape. And when
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the Great White shows up, he's like, I knew this
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: would be a special one. He's so excited, but I
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: don't know, I just really enjoyed that, even though it
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: was because it's a horror movie. It's so frustrating, like, oh,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: she almost got away, and then we're back here again,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and she does I like that. She she really like
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: she did what she could foreather, she did what she
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: could for Moses. Even though she's got this whole commitment issue.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: She really did like care and and so calm when
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: faced with the sharks.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I oh, my goodness, Oh that's definitely one of the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: things you learned. I don't move, Yeah, don't move. They
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: are not as interested the more you fight. So I'm told, yeah,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: watch me get by shark.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: It wasn't because I wanted to go there, yes.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: But you know, I also like the because it's clearly
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: framing him as the predator and she is the prey.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: But in the end, you know, she comes back around
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: on the boat and he's not anticipating it shoots him
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: with his own harpoon gun, which I guess I could
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: make a whole thing about how it's a phallic shape
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: because in horror we always talk about that, but you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: gets knocked into the water.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, I was like, go, what
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: are you doing? You know what that's attached to you?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? I will say that was one
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: of the most inferiorating parts, Like what.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets pulled back in the white again, like
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: you think it's over, and I.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Guess they really need that last But I'm like, whendn't
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: she first just sat there? I was like, what did
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: she What are you doing? I did get very mad,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: White girl, take that off your foot, Let go of
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the gun.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: You gotta have you gotta have the final like you know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: is it dead or is it over? And then it's not,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and then it is. But yes, and to have the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: shark come for him because he can't he can't stay still. Well,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: he's panicking up in there and trying to get back
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: on the boat, which I yeah, I enjoyed. I enjoyed
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that the shark was like, nah, I won't eat you,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: but you though I've been waiting put on a show
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: for the camera.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Let me do a whole jump out of the water
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, it's quite quite a scene. Uh. But yes,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: this does bring me to something I've been wanting to
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: talk about for a while. I wasn't able to find
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: as much research as I thought they would be on it,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: But Shark's Ploitation and Women and Shark's Plortation is. Yes,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: these shark movies that have just gone off the rails
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: in recent years. I have list and list of some
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: of the wilder ones I found. There's one that takes
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: place in the mountains and snow. There's snow sharks and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: all of the it's a bikini skiing contest, because of
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: course it is, but then there are these sharks.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard of this.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Oh it's it's on my like you wouldn't believe this exists,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: but yes, it absolutely does.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but it might have been me.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I do have. I'm gonna I have some honorable mentions
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: in the bad shark movie category that I'll get to.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: This did really kick off with Jaws, which came out
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five. But you know, in a lot
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: of ways, shark movies are slasher movies, and slasher movies
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: have typically been men killing women, or at least killing
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: them more violently on screen, and usually showing it through
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: their point of view, which is very much this movie
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: is very much too Zephyr's point of view. Some articles
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: suggest women do relate to the victimhood in similar ways
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that we might to true crime, and that way, like,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you know, there's this danger, and it's almost, in a
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: very sad way, refreshing to see it being confirmed that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: you do know this is the danger, because yeah, the
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: numbers suggest we are more at risk not for shark attacks,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: shark attacks are very rare, but you know, in general
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: that kind of danger. In this case, it's a man
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: who's feeding you to sharks. And there have been there's
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: been some writing about sharks as kind of the patriarchy. Actually,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: something that will just chew you up and spit you out,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't care about you, doesn't care about your well being
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: at all. And I found one article in particular that
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: was interesting, and it was about how in more recent
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: years there's been a shift into women fighting back because
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: traditionally it has been women getting eaten, and that there
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: wasn't the fighting back part necessarily, but that it has changed.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And there were a lot of good examples on there,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: and I kind of laughed because I've seen them all.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've really delved
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: into the genre. But yeah, it is. It has long
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: been the consumption of typically traditionally beautiful Western women, but
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: that's also changed in recent years. From Dan Ruby's work
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: The Jaws in the Mirror jump Cut, a review of
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: contemporary Media Nber ten to eleven, quote, the shark's I
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: camera view watches from below as the woman swims acrobatically above,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: then it rises up under her toward her crotch as
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: she scissor kicks vertically in the water. The camera quickly
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: switches to the surface of the water. Here, the close
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: up of the woman's agonized face as the unseen shark
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: tears her body under the water is a frightening imitation
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: of orgasm. The cliche of the equivalence of pleasure and
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: pain used almost from the first betrayal of female orgasm
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: in film. The juxtaposition of images, the erotic swimming sequence
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: and the shark attack appeals to a sadism and hatred
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: of women, which must be assumed to be a part
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: of the consciousness of the film's audience. However, the sadism
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: is disguised so that it can be enjoyed by people
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: who would not admit to having sadistic impulses or taste.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: So this is the first scene in Jaws that he
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: is describing, which is a very like In my opinion,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that's the scariest part of the whole movie. But I
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: hadn't really thought about it. But it is true. We
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: have discussed in slasher movies, that is, it's often done
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: that way. It's often done as a kind of sexualized
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: way where you don't usually men but you don't have
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: to admit like I like seeing women being hurt. I
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: enjoy that she's getting torn up right now, and that
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: it's kind of sexual. I'm into it. This is also
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the post her It's a famous poster. Was her swimming
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: like that and then the shark coming up beneath her
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: for Jaws And interestingly, doing this research, I stumbled upon
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: a whole paper about the queer reading of Jaws. And
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I had never heard of this. But Lauren, again friend
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: and other podcaster, because of her costume, she told me
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: about this whole world of like queer Jaws fan fiction
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: that I see it now. I see it. I hadn't before,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: and now I do.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I'm very confused.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: The shark isn't involved, Okay, okay, don't worry about that.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: But the paper did talk about how this shark in
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Jaws was specifically noted in the first one. I think
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: they reverse it in the second one to be male shark. Bruce, Yeah, exactly.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: So they did talk about, you know, that aspect of
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the whole thing. It was behind a paywall, so I
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: couldn't read the entire paper. I'm running into that more
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and more. I don't know about you. Samantha.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I've ran into it a lot, and honestly, I understand it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I would with everything going down, but at the same time,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: it's really irritating.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like I can't pay money. Oh well, I
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: could use the Shark magazine a lot, but you know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: like if it's something we reference regularly, I could justify that.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I think I would have a harder time to.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Be like, I have a subscription to the medium now
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: because I feel like I get a lot of good content. Yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: different writers with like a variation, so at least those
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: are all variations versus one specific exacular way. Yeah, I'm
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: not I'm not paying to look at your conservative left
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: bar right. I don't want to pay you for this.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Hell no, exactly, yes, okay. Well, aside from the trying
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: to research these days, something else I was thinking about
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: is there's also been a lot written about this is
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: women's scientists in shark movies, which is again you can
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: see our episode we did on that. It's really bad.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: The whole paper was specifically on women in science, but
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: they had one section that was about women in shark
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: science in particular, and the percentage was lower than most
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: of the other ones. I have talked you weren't there,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: you had COVID, but I did talk about deep bluesy
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: on here and how in that movie Susan the Scientist,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: a shark scientist was painted in a very villainous light,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: and actually she was supposed to survive, but the audiences
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: hated her so much they changed the ending, so she died.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: And when I read that, I was like, I knew it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: The ending has always felt off to me. It doesn't fit.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like usually there would have been some kind
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: of redemption. I guess in this case redemption as she dies,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: But you know, the point being a lot of times
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: a male character would not have been received as villainously
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: as she was. I have seen. I really love the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: movie Under Paris. It's kind of funny because it was
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: about like Paris's please don't bring the Olympics here, which
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: in a way I enjoyed because like the mayor, the
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: equivalent of the mayor from Jazz is a woman who's
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: like eating salads and it's like all swim in the sand,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I don't care, you know, that kind of thing. But
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: there was a woman's scientist in that Shark Scientist. She
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: is very much like I like her character, but she
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: is you know, as you were kind of talking like
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the traumatize has had this horrible experience. Also the shark
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: in that the main shark in that movie is called Lilith,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: which we've also done an episode on Lilith about being
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: the birth of monsters. Yes, and then I have seen
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the meg I don't recall because it came up in
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: a couple of articles I was reading. They were talking
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: about how there is a woman's scientist in that, but
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: she's almost completely defined by her attraction to Jason Statham
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and her like. I thought it was quite humorous. I
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: thought maybe it's because I was a And I was like,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: oh really, because they have like a scene in there
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: where you're clearly like supposed to be like fanning yourself
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: like who And I was just like, put your shirt on, man.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And as as mentioned, any number of bad, very bad
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: horror movies feature women in bikinis getting eat by sharks.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Not I mean sharks. Were talking about sharks today, but
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I could think it's like any creature you could put
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: X Y Z in there. Okay, So I, as I tease,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: here are some mentions I wanted to put in of
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: bad horror movies. I have come across Shark Harmies, The
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Shark Exorcist. This relates to an upcoming episode we're doing
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: on religious horror, and I was like, you know, if
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I wanted to, I could throw this one in there,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: because it features an evil nun who summons demonic sharks,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: and if you get bitten by the shark, it leads
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to possession. And of course the person who gets bitten
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: by the shark that we're following is like a traditionally
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: hot lady who transforms into a shark.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: They transform into sharks.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, their own will. By the way, no
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: it's I would recommend watching a trailer. Don't watch the movie,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: but the trailer will give you a good chuckle. The
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: trailer for Noah's Shark, however, which is my next entry,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: is not as good, but I did want to talk
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: about it funnily enough, so the plot of this movie
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: is a witch summons sharks to protect Noah's Arc. But
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I brought this movie app with my old G and
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: D crew in front of the show. Joe McCormick was like,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: it would have been a much better movie if the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: sharks on the arc, like we're evil or something, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Noah had to kill the sharks, which somebody rightly pointed
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: out in an article I was reading. Why were the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: sharks even all the arc water.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Need to be on the arc, Like, there's no sea
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: creatures on arcs. They weren't like suppose like from what
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I understand, it was all land creatures, right that needed
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: to be saved. Confusion.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Well, that is fair, that is fair. Here's a quote
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I've found about this movie. Noah, you see, forgot a
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: certain shark to put in his arc. Okay, from the
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: time I was a little kid, I always thought that
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Noah didn't need to put fish or sea creatures in
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: his arc anyway, because they could just swim around in
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the torrential water that flooded the earth. But no this
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: was a problem, and Noah should have kept this shark
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: in the ark and not unleash the powerful evil force.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: It's all simply ridiculous, with some of the poorest acting
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen. The story doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: But oh, there's a witch in there too. The Witch
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: of Indoor is not from a Star Wars world, which
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: is too bad because it would have been more interesting.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I'm confused why there's a witch when it comes to
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Christian folklore.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Listen. I can't explain this to you. I can't. I
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: don't know if anyone cared.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: It's not happening because the old intent was that God,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: yes needed to protect. Where does witch come from?
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: No one knows. No one knows.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Is it the wife of Noah? Are we calling Oh?
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: One of the children of Noah?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Oh? It could be. I don't know. I have never
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: watched Noah's Shark.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I think you have a new assignment.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can do it.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I need you to do it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Uh, well, I might.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's time.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I do have a list of all the shark movies
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I haven't watched yet, and it is all there.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: It is one of them.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: That quote was from a Medium article The Ultimate Ridiculousness
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: and the Lost Story of Noah's Shark by Mike Simansky.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, but it's a fun read.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: It was, I got, and we are. I'm laughing a lot.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I love this genre so much. There has been total nonsense.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, Sharknado is kind of the epitome of what
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: we're talking about here, of what has happened.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I mean it got two. There's not a sequel.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's like seven there seven.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I know that one, like at least on Sci Fi Network,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: So I don't know Ian what's his face from one
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: oh Fame? I know was one of the yeah shining
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: stars on this show.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's an interesting I mean that again, if
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I had this Shark podcast, I would talk about it
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: forever because that was an interesting case of everybody saying
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: that movie would fail, and rightfully it should have, but
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: because it was so bizarre and funny.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Like the Troll. Yeah, it also cut a second one,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and it makes you know sense, Well.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Isn't the Troll isn't it not related to the first
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: one though?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so bad the first one was taking
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: itself seriously that the second one was like, we're gonna
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: do a new one, but it's not gonna have anything
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to do with it, and it's gonna be ridiculous. Yes,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: if I remember correct, it could be wrong.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: They're completely different. Uh. There's also Troll Honk Show, which
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I would say is a really good movie. But I
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: accidentally watched Troll trying to watch Troll Hunter, and I
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: was I was very.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Can we do this with a Korean show for you too?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I have completely like, wait, what are you watching?
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I have accidentally watched the wrong thing on several occasions.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: To everyone's delight. The Witch of Endine. I just really,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I know, I feel like that alone.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: We should start, like, if I can't do my Shark podcast,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: we should have like a Shark review.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna agree to this, but no, you don't
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: have to watch him, right.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: If you need this, this is my.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about doing a Patreon. I
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: think that's that's the.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Patri and you know me, I would talk about feminist themes.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: What I know?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I know. I mean I think if we if we
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: have a patrion and we do it on our own,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: it needs to be but make it feminist and do
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: whatever we want but have Yeah, it's gonna be called,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: but make it a feminist I like that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Don't steal it, people, I'm just kidding. Yeah, tell us
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know how it goes. How much money
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: are you making? Yeah, well, listeners that doesn't know if
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: you'd be interested in something like that, I know I
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: went kind of off of the actual movie. We were
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: talking about I, I legitimately think this is a really
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: good movie and I enjoyed it.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, like again, like kind of when you
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: were talking about people's reasoning about slashers, like maybe that's
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: why I hate slashers so much, because that's all it
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: feels like. It just feels like and I feel that
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: way about a lot of Korean dramas too, like they
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: do this purposely to bring in violence against women, and
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: it feels like for no reason, Like one of my
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: like one of the ones we watched before, they brought
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: in a kidnapping scene for no reason, Like I really
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: feel like they could have done any other anything else
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: like that, but they really loved this this ideal of like,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: make sure we torture women, but also will a woman
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: rescue them? So that's the answer type of conversation. Yeah,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: and I think that might be it. But before this one,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I think they did it in a way that didn't
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: feel like it was sexualizing or victimizing women in a
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: way that was so like over the top gross. Yeah, picky,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: But I was like, Okay, this wasn't fad that. The
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: ending was interesting. She ended up like we even had
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the like turnaround of like he came in to be
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: a hero on Moses, it was the sweet guy, but
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: she was the one that ended up being the hero
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the entire time. Like yes, he assisted, for sure, sure,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: but it was her at her determination and her gumption.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: So kids would say, yeah, yeah, And I have a
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: friend who also has I didn't say she likes slashers,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: but she's and I understand she doesn't like watching them
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: when eating. Uh. And so we were back. We were
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: had ordered dinner the other day and I mentioned this
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: movie and I was like, we should watch that, and
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: she was like, okay, is there is somebody get eaten
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: by a shark? And I was like yes. But you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: when I thought about it, most of the movie is
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: entirely her trying to escape. Like there is the like
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: that's the death in the beginning with the boy with
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: the guy that happens very quickly, and then Heather, which
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: is very traumatizing but not overly. I mean it's violent,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: but it's not like, oh my god. Yeah, but most
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: of the movie is her trying to escape and it
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: is very suspenseful just because of that. Yeah, yeah, so
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I also I did have fun. I've
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: been meaning to talk about Shark's ortation in some of
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: these bad movies for a while. I would not categorize
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: this movie in that in that same space, but I
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: was curious and I have been wanting to talk about it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: So this was a good means to get to that. Yes, yes, yes,
• 49:59
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• 50:04
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• 50:06
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• 50:08
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• 50:12
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