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Facing Your Fears: The Journey of Nate Schott · Nightmare Success In and Out

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  What happens when your worst fear becomes your reality?
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  Hi, I'm Brent Cassidy, welcome to the Nightmare Success In and
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  Out podcast where we explore how to overcome your fears and
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  nightmares to set yourself free. We're going to be exploring this
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  topic with guys that was in Leavenworth with and others who
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  survived their own nightmare. These stories can be inspiring,
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  sometimes sad. There's some humor.
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  help you knock down some of the prisons you built up in your own
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  I so appreciate that, folks. I've got another great guest.
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  I want to, I want to thank Justin and Papurni for
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  connecting me with my guest, Nate Scott.
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  Nate's got an incredibly interesting story because we've,
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  we've spent a few minutes here talking before we got going and,
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  you know, a little bit complicated upbringing, but he
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  was, he was kind of known as the hero child with the, with his,
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  with his family. You know, there were certain
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  things that that, that caught my mind.
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  He the, the short part of the story is, is he, he ended up
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  going, he had a big dentist business practice and ended up
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  being in a healthcare, healthcare fraud federal case.
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  But his background story, you know, you, you wonder how things
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  happen because this is a guy that would go and, and sing at
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  nursing homes. He would, he would, when he got
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  his business going, he was a community leader.
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  He sat on a lot of boards to help the community.
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  And when I say he helped the community, it wasn't that he
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  talked about it. He actually would anonymously
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  buy groceries for people. He would let people stay rent
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  free for housing. These type of things like action
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  things, real things. And so when, when things
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  happened, I, you know, I was looking at the different things
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  that were discussed and people who wrote letters and, and these
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  were things that they talked about.
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  And one of the things that we we discussed before we got on is,
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  is that a lot of times, you know, as you're growing a
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  business and it gets going bigger and bigger, maybe you
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  don't pay attention to some things that if you look back on
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  and you wish you would have. I can't wait to jump into all
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  this with Nate. It's going to be an interesting
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  show with a he's got lots of wisdom of what he's what he's
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  Nate Scott welcome in. How are you?
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  Hey, Brent, I'm really glad to be with you and thank you so
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  much. And I'm really, really happy to
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  be with you. So thanks for having me.
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  Thanks. And we, you know, we've had a
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  couple of different things that came up.
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  I know you, you had to go and, and, and check on your dad down
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  in Florida. I'm assuming that was OK and.
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  He was. He was actually in in North
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  Carolina. Oh, North Carolina.
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  Not Florida, North Carolina. And then?
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  Well, there's not good there either, no.
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  No, no, no, they, they got he, he, he, he, he got wiped out.
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  I mean, he's OK. And then I think with both of
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  those, the second hurricane came down and hit where his house was
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  in Florida again. But he is safe.
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  Family's good. My in laws are good.
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  They're in Clearwater, so they've gone.
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  Clearwater was one of the main places, wasn't it?
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  Yeah, it was there in Bradenton, Sarasota, They got in the
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  hammered. So, but I, I, I look for not
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  only them, they're good, but others that aren't.
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  And it's just a sad thing. You know, I grew up in Florida.
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  So you get used to those, but not back-to-back and not, I
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  think like things are coming out right now and it's just, it's
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  amazing. I mean, I've never been in
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  anything like that. I've been in a couple hurry but
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  nothing like that so I. Well, like you said, I think the
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  biggest thing was, is it was back-to-back.
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  I mean, they literally were, they were, they weren't done
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  cleaning up and then all of a sudden boom, they get hit again
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  and kind of in the same area and, and what a what a mess.
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  But thank goodness everything's OK.
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  The the hero child went down to make sure everything was all
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  right. Well, I didn't get to get too
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  far up, but I, you know, you find people and they're OK, so.
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  That's good. You know, he take care of
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  himself. So I think that I find out he's
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  80, but he does well with that stuff, so.
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  Yeah, he's. Good.
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  But thank you for for thinking about that.
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  Let's go back a little bit mate, because you've got an
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  interesting background. So you say, you say you grew up
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  in in Florida and then you end up in Murfreesboro.
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  But what? What was childhood like?
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  Mom, dad, siblings. You know, as it's been put out
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  there, which it was really, that was a, that was a tough time.
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  I think going through, you know, in many ways, going through
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  childhood, but in other ways, it was incredible.
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  I mean, you know, my, my, my parents were a lot of old school
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  folks. I mean, the way they came up,
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  the way we were disciplined, there were, you know, four of
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  us. I had three brothers and
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  sisters. There was me and 11 months later
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  there were twins. And then I had three years after
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  that another sister. My dad sold, you know, real
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  estate and got in a mobile home development and the parks and
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  things like that. But he was always on the road
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  and on the go. So it it was, you know, there
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  were a lot of ups and downs and I think there were a lot, you
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  know, there were a lot of things.
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  I think the thing that impacted our family the most was
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  addiction. You know, alcoholism came
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  through that and you know, I look back on that time is I
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  learned so much about myself in that I've learned a lot about my
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  family. I've learned a lot about my dad.
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  I've learned a lot about that disease and how it impacts
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  families and what it does to, you know, what it can do to you.
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  But I think also how it impacts the people that are around the
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  the alcoholic, but also how, you know, there's a lot that
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  disease, there's codependency in that.
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  There's all things that are in mesh to it.
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  And you know, we can I can look back and I can say, you know,
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  oh, it was terrible. It was the worst thing ever.
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  But you know, it's like the judge said when he sentenced to
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  me. He says, you know, you know,
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  Doctor Schott, I'll tell you when you you went through those
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  things or he said, Mr. Schott they don't use doctor in in in,
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  you know, in the in the in sentencing.
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  Or, and of course I mispronounced your name.
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  It's all. Right.
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  Everybody is everybody. It's all right.
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  That's a Cassidy thing, that if you know me long enough, Nate,
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  you'll know that I'm just close enough.
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  I'm just close enough. Hey, one thing my dad always
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  did, and I do too. Everybody had a nickname.
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  So you never knew their real name.
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  You know, when you you know, it's trust me, I've been called
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  a whole lot different. And you were right, real close.
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  So that was good. But but we look at it and I go
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  back and, you know, I've kind of gone through life now and not
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  just with the prison part, but everything else.
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  As the judge said, he says, you know, you had a lot of things
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  happen. But Mr. Shot, in spite of all of
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  the the things that people might say were setbacks.
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  And I don't put setbacks in there like I knew other people
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  had. I mean, there were other people
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  that had really severe setbacks. I mean, there were a lot of
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  things I learned from my dad, my mom.
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  There were a lot of times that I go back and, you know, growing
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  up in Florida and being out on the beach and learning things
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  and fishing and hunting and you know, all the things how to work
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  with your hands and just do a lot of that, how to sell things
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  and and really work. So I go to that and I think, you
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  know, you put that in your story because they want to know that
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  about the story. And you know, one thing that
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  bothers me about that, that that didn't get sealed because there
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  a reporter picked it up and you know, you're OK to put stuff in
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  about me, but you went in and put stuff in about my dad, my
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  mom and it and it was terrible. And you know, I don't hold that
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  reporter. It's just it was wrong.
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  I mean, it was it was hurtful, it was harmful.
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  And and that was the bad thing about.
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  That and that's just another layer of stuff that happens when
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  you go through that too, Nate. It is and and and they want to
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  know and it but you know the other thing I found out, as you
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  know, it's sensational for maybe 30 minutes and you think it's on
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  you the whole time and you know it's out there.
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  But that's the beauty of being free.
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  I mean, you're you go through what I went through.
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  I tell people now I said, you know, haven't had a cancer
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  diagnosis yet or anything like that.
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  And I say yet because who knows what tomorrow holds, but
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  everybody's like, what's the worst thing they can do to you?
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  Put you back in prison? Well, we, we've already been
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  it's I don't want to go at all. I have no desire.
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  But you sit back and you're like, you know, you talk about
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  it about the prison of the mind. And I journal a lot about that
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  when I was in prison and, and, and growing up, you know, you
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  think you're in a prison, but but you know, we weren't.
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  But you, you grow up with these preconceived ideas about what
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  you need to do to become, to get out of that.
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  I don't ever want to do that again.
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  You know, and I tell people, you know, the very thing I was
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  running against was, you know, when I say that having that
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  disease impact me like my dad did, but not only did it, but I
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  even did better than he did, I went to prison.
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  He never went to prison. You know.
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  What I'm saying and and I'm you know, so so as as we as I
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  glamorize that and say, oh, you know, as you say that first born
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  and in psychology to hear all the things that go with it and
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  and you don't have to have addiction to have that.
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  I mean they they have first born second.
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  Who is the? You know who's the scapegoat,
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  who's all the stuff and and, and I, you know, you, you learn that
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  stuff. But I think the thing for me
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  that that I really get out of all of that was is getting in
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  there and growing up through things and I really never looked
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  at a poor woe as me. No, I and that's really comes
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  out strong in your story. And I'm curious, Nate, if did
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  that make you strive more? Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  Because I mean, I noticed that you were as you were growing and
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  growing up. Yeah, you were an athlete you
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  got a scholarship for, but you also were looking at Juilliard
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  because you're a credible trumpet player.
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  You could sing. You were excelling in A at a
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  level where that's a, that's a top percentile of, you know,
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  getting a college scholarship in anything is excelling at a
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  different level. So I wondered when I was reading
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  through all that, if that even made you more focused on what
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  you wanted to do. You know, you say this something
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  I teach people and it due to what I went through in those
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  days, I wasn't running and going for something.
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  It's what I didn't want to be and and I and what I didn't want
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  to have happen. And when I say wannabe, that
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  wasn't about stuff with my dad or my mom or my home.
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  That was just the situation. I mean, there were times, you
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  know, a lot of times it was, you know, in sales, it's up and down
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  and, you know, it's not a sure thing.
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  And and I remember that going so many times that, you know, that
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  was my parents were like, you know, go be a doctor, go be a
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  doctor, go do that. It's sure, you know, and I was
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  just like, OK, and I was fascinated by it, but I'm a kind
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  of person. I'm fascinated by a lot of
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  different things. Now, I could tell you I could go
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  be a bricklayer and be fascinated by that because I put
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  an investment banker and be fascinated by that.
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  I mean, seriously, I enjoy that. I like to work with my hands.
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  I like to do those things. But but as you just said,
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  something where I go back to is, is it's I was always people,
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  people are usually motivated by being against something in this
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  our society today. Look at politics.
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  I was very involved with politics and.
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  You're a party leader. Yeah, yeah.
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  And, and, and I look at that and you go back and it's always the
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  way you, you the way you do a story in that you want to find
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  fear. You want to find the fear button
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  to get people to be against something, right, not for
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  something, right. And if you look at this cycle
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  that we're in right now, it's what we're against.
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  Oh yeah? Well, I mean, I mean, what is it
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  90? Some odd percent of the news is
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  is negative and fearful, right? And it and it and that prompts.
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  It works. It's ratings.
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  That that's right. And what does it do inside of
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  us? Fear leads us to another
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  component. If we don't find who we are to
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  rage, right, that rage gets everybody going.
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  So we have got such a clash in this country due to that.
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  Well, that's the same way we you can use that same fear and rage
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  as fuel to motivate you to go. And then what happens is you
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  start finding out, Well, I'll just grind.
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  You know, it's like it's like athletics.
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  You grind through it. You got a coach.
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  Look, man, just put your grind. You're going to grind through
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  it. Or if you're in music, it
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  doesn't matter if you're in that practice room alone.
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  I mean, you're, you're practicing alone by yourself as
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  a musician. That's the one thing that, you
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  know, I tell people that that are into music.
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  I said it's it can be the very most loneliest career or, or
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  thing that you do because you're really by yourself.
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  I mean, I was a tennis, I got a scholarship in tennis.
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  I didn't play tennis by myself. I didn't practice by myself.
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  I made a hit on a wall back and forth and did that every day.
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  But I'd always have a pickup match or something was somebody
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  would see me playing and you sure.
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  But in music, I mean, there's a little bit of performance time,
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  minutes for all of that. Practice.
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  All the practice, yeah. And and so when when I look at
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  those kind of things that we do inside, you get to a point where
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  you're either going to grind through it, but then there is
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  enjoyment. I mean, sure, obviously you
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  start getting not just accolades, but it's more like,
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  oh, I did accomplish that. I was able to do that.
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  I set my mind to it. And and so that was a big part
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  of my life. The other thing that was a big.
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  Part Was it a hard fork in the road for you to choose between
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  Juilliard or going? Well, here's the thing I put in
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  there. I had a trumpet teacher that was
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  really like he that's where he went.
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  And, and the, the story on that was like, look, Nate, I know I
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  can get you there. And he had taught me and he went
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  and, and he, it was through his teacher that or, or through his
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  connections that were like, yeah, we would like to really do
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  that and sounds like he would go there.
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  But, you know, it was, it was hard in one sense, because
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  that's probably a regret that I have with music.
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  And my kids are very involved with music because I thought if
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  you go into music, you're going to be poor broke musician doing
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  everything else. And remember, part of my story
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  is, you know, my dad's out there working and he's on the road and
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  he's, you know, he's doing the very best he can for us.
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  And, and he, and he did. And then my mom starts working
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  and she's a hairdresser. And, you know, they're coming
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  up. We're involved in church,
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  community, everything that we're doing.
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  But just really just making it you, you know, and, and we had,
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  I mean, we had life as, as people did back then.
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  Yeah, but was it hard? I think the thing that I have to
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  look down inside the most was is the pursuit was still about
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  success and money and not being not being on that borderline of
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  what would you say where? Where?
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  It's just where it's always up and down, feast or famine.
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  Yep. Well, and I, you know, I think
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  that's a lot when kids are going and the ages that they are in
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  college, It's it's it, there's so much ingrained into you.
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  The success is about money. Yeah, and that's the and I think
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  that's the part of it that pushed me to one side.
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  When I look back now, what the kids can do with music.
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  I mean, they've got the kids that not just Juilliard that can
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  go to Columbia and get an MBA and they can go.
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  I mean, they've got it all over the place.
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  And now, you know, they're, they're, you know, versus when
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  we were in school, they're, they're designing their own
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  curriculum. I mean, we, we were put into a
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  tract. You went, did it, you went to
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  school, you had fun, you came out, you knew what you were
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  going to do. And, and that was the big thing.
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  And the other thing is that at first I was going to go to
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  medical school and then I, I really found that as a dentist,
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  I tell people this is dentist most of the time, most of the
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  time dentists are going into dentistry not because they
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  aren't smart enough. They are, they get, you know,
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  they get offered. Take all those tests.
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  You do all the stuff, but you wanted to live by this.
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  You want to live but the surgeon's lifestyle without
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  having the hours of the surgeon and make the same money.
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  I mean, and that was that's really where it goes.
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  I don't know that it's fortunate or unfortunate, but it's what
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  what a lot of times that that you've talked to other dentists,
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  that's what they do now. There's some great dentists out
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  there and a lot of them are fantastic and they really do
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  care. It's a tough profession, but any
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  profession that you're making a lot of money and I tell people
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  is tough. Yeah, I.
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  Don't care. Sure, that's a good bit of
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  wisdom right there, don't you think?
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  Anything you're gonna do, if you're gonna be good at it, it's
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  gonna be tough. Yeah, so I did that, but I think
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  you asked. Plus, you were young, if I
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  remember right, Nate, like you were 23 years old opening up
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  your practice. Yeah, that's that's a, that's a
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  young man. You.
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  You know, more than I. You remember more than I do
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  about my stuff. You've done some homework, man.
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  This is great. I mean, gosh, yeah.
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  And if everybody wants to find out, just tell them to go to
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  usgov.com. To find a lot of stuff you know
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  you. Find everything.
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  But no, that's amazing. You didn't ask me to send any of
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  that. Yeah, actually, I had just
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  turned. I'd been 24, and I started my
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  practice. Yeah, and I was 17 out of high
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  school. It was, again, that whole thing
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  was to go and to achieve and to do.
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  And you know, the thing that I, I pick up there and I don't know
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  if you relate to this, but I talked to other other people
• 18:41
  that have been through the same thing.
• 18:42
  We we haven't been incarcerated and broken the law and done
• 18:45
  stuff, but I call it, that was when more started entering into
• 18:49
  me and I call it the disease of more.
• 18:53
  And my disease got down to it wasn't just wanting more.
• 18:56
  And I didn't want to do anything just to, to get whatever.
• 19:00
  I mean it, it that wasn't me. I mean you, you know what I'm
• 19:03
  saying? I didn't look at at whatever the
• 19:05
  cost, but I knew if I could work hard enough and do those things,
• 19:10
  you know, what could you become what you and I were taught.
• 19:13
  Well, you can become anything you want to.
• 19:14
  President. Of the United States, you can be
• 19:16
  an astronaut, you can be a lawyer, you can be a doctor, be
• 19:18
  anything you want to and, and that's also a fallacy.
• 19:21
  I, I can't be anything I want to be.
• 19:23
  I mean, I I'm never even as as the best shape I was, I was
• 19:28
  never going to run the 440 yard 400. 40 yard bash, that's that's
• 19:32
  the hardest race. I think that's.
• 19:34
  Not I can't want to. I'm not Usain Bolt.
• 19:37
  There's no way are all these runners.
• 19:38
  Out there's no. Way, you know, so that that's a
• 19:42
  fallacy. I think we put in kids heads
• 19:44
  these days, you know, because it's like you can do it.
• 19:47
  You can have it all and be it all.
• 19:49
  You can't. I couldn't, or at least I can't.
• 19:53
  But did you know, Nate, when you got started, did you have a feel
• 19:56
  for like, yeah, I'm going to be good at this?
• 19:58
  Yeah, yeah. Or, or if I, I knew if I worked
• 20:02
  hard enough, it didn't, things did not come easy for me.
• 20:05
  People would say, Oh, you did this.
• 20:07
  I mean, ask people that went to college.
• 20:08
  I studied all the time. I didn't get a all A's.
• 20:11
  I, I, that was tough. I mean, but I put the work in
• 20:14
  same thing with, with, with, you know, athletics and, and doing
• 20:19
  those things and, and music and, and doing that.
• 20:22
  And then it's just, and, but I also, I wasn't afraid to, to
• 20:26
  knock on doors either. I mean, I, I'll tell you what my
• 20:28
  dad as much as would be written and said about that.
• 20:35
  One thing my dad taught me to do was just get out there and go
• 20:39
  work. My mom did too, and they both
• 20:41
  and they were hard workers. So I wasn't afraid to go ask for
• 20:44
  something, you know? And that's a bit, don't you
• 20:47
  think that's a huge life lesson? It's it's the best.
• 20:51
  They, when I was, I think I was, I was 15 years old and so my dad
• 20:58
  had this, this company that where these salesman would they
• 21:02
  needed, they were in home sales. So they needed to set these
• 21:04
  appointments up. And he just said, Brett, why
• 21:07
  don't you set up these appointments for these guys?
• 21:10
  I was like, you want me to call on the phone and try to set.
• 21:13
  And it was probably some of the best experience of just figuring
• 21:19
  it out, you know, because you're calling a cold call, saying
• 21:23
  something where you're trying to convince somebody to agree with
• 21:26
  you on something they didn't even plan on talking to you
• 21:29
  today. And, and you know, I, I look
• 21:31
  back on that experience and my dad, he, I'm sure he didn't know
• 21:35
  if I could do it or not, but I actually became pretty good at
• 21:37
  it. And it was, it was, it gave me a
• 21:39
  little bit more confidence as I got further into the, my, my
• 21:43
  young adult life wasn't well, if I did that, maybe I can do you
• 21:47
  know some of these other things. I at least I won't be afraid of
• 21:49
  it. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:51
  Well, you, you that that's where I think there's a lot of
• 21:54
  similarities with. And I think it's successful
• 21:57
  people too. I mean, not just people that
• 21:58
  went to prison, but but the successful people, I, they have
• 22:03
  those turning points, I think in their life that it's like, wait
• 22:05
  a minute, I can do that. I remember my dad and it wasn't
• 22:09
  that it was often, but he would take me either when he had to
• 22:12
  sell mobile homes or when he was developing parks or doing stuff
• 22:16
  and just, I'd follow him around. And I mean, I was 12/13/14 years
• 22:21
  old, learned how to drive, you know, a bulldozers out in the
• 22:25
  parks, I mean, dump trucks and, and work with people.
• 22:29
  And then also listen to how he sold people and got to know
• 22:32
  people. And then, you know, as I was
• 22:34
  around it, I'd pick up things from him and I, I enjoyed it.
• 22:38
  I also enjoyed people. I mean, he enjoyed people and I,
• 22:42
  I did learn a lot about, you know, if you're good, everything
• 22:45
  we do is about the people business, I mean.
• 22:47
  Anything and everything, right? Even if you're a programmer, at
• 22:50
  a certain point you gotta sell that program.
• 22:52
  Exactly. Got to sell that somebody.
• 22:54
  Somebody gotta be sold, yes? Yeah.
• 22:56
  And so I think when you get into that, I just saw it.
• 23:00
  So going back to asking those questions early on, I think it
• 23:04
  was, it was very much a drive to succeed.
• 23:08
  And I think being the eldest or the oldest child, you know, you,
• 23:11
  you see a lot of things, good or bad, how your parents put stuff
• 23:15
  on you. I mean, I know I've done that to
• 23:17
  my kids. You know, the oldest I did is
• 23:19
  I've got 4 kids and the youngest, I mean, the other
• 23:22
  three are just like yes, it's so easy and.
• 23:24
  I'm just like. And you know what?
• 23:27
  I. Remember, it's so true, though.
• 23:28
  I've got three daughters and they, they're like, you can't.
• 23:30
  I can't believe you let the baby get away with all that.
• 23:33
  And that's even my mom. I remember when we first had
• 23:35
  kids. I mean, we're doing all this
• 23:36
  stuff. We don't want it to.
• 23:37
  We don't want to be like, you know, I'm not, they're not going
• 23:40
  to be like me. And I'm like, well, first of
• 23:42
  all, they can't be. They're not me Impossible.
• 23:45
  But, you know, we don't think that.
• 23:47
  So we're going to do all the things that are not what we
• 23:49
  wanted. And, you know, we forget DNA
• 23:52
  plays a whole lot in that we, you know, we kind of drift back
• 23:57
  to our comfort zones. But I remember my mom laughing
• 24:00
  and saying, you know, everybody does that in in a way, and you
• 24:03
  just have to Step 2 steps back. And my kids are going to go
• 24:07
  through that and you know, we're going to they're going to make
• 24:09
  sure they're not like me and like, you know, if and my wife
• 24:13
  and you know, whatever they're they're going to do.
• 24:15
  And, and and that's the interesting thing.
• 24:17
  So, but I would tell you, as you said, what what we got like you
• 24:23
  did. Those times were formative and
• 24:25
  and again going to prison and I even went to treatment years
• 24:29
  before that for for an addiction that I said like I said, I
• 24:32
  became I got addicted after an eye surgery to a narcotics.
• 24:37
  Yeah, that's not good for a doctor because they can write
• 24:39
  their own prescriptions, you know.
• 24:40
  Sure. And and that is not a good
• 24:42
  thing. And did you?
• 24:42
  Feel like because I read a little bit about that, did you
• 24:45
  feel like that you were getting addicted or was it just like
• 24:48
  this is just something I'm because it was for pain?
• 24:51
  Yeah, yeah, it was pain. And then afterwards, I mean, I
• 24:53
  used them after too, I mean. But I'll tell you what I found
• 24:56
  was that was the time that it just I had gotten to a point in
• 25:01
  my life where it's. Like how old would you have been
• 25:04
  when that happened? 40. 40 years old, OK.
• 25:07
  Yeah, around 404242 ish, something like that, 4140.
• 25:11
  Two, and at that time you were your business and everything
• 25:15
  that was going on, you were big. Yeah, and you know, but what I
• 25:18
  didn't realize was, you know, I had AI, had AI was my belief
• 25:22
  system. And, you know, Christianity were
• 25:25
  a big part of my life even at that point.
• 25:28
  And and I've had people say, well, if it was that big part of
• 25:30
  your life, how did that happen? And I said, because I don't
• 25:33
  think I fully ever surrendered yet, you know, at that time.
• 25:36
  And even after treatment, I went in and I did.
• 25:38
  And the therapist that owned the treatment center, he's since
• 25:42
  become a very good friend of mine and, you know, doesn't
• 25:44
  treat me anymore. He's one of my close friends.
• 25:46
  And he came to visit me in prison even.
• 25:48
  But he, he said, and another guy says, you know, we treated you
• 25:52
  after, but we always thought there was one little thing we
• 25:55
  could never get to. And we talked about that even in
• 25:59
  prison. And I said, I know what you
• 26:01
  didn't get to. I didn't fully surrender.
• 26:03
  I thought I still knew better even when people came to me and
• 26:07
  said, hey, you might want to look at this.
• 26:09
  You might want to look at what's happening in your business or
• 26:12
  your practices. And I thought, oh, I looked at
• 26:14
  it, but like, I looked at it enough.
• 26:16
  But I didn't delve into it. And I didn't go to really not
• 26:20
  just holding others accountable, but I wasn't holding myself
• 26:23
  accountable. Which is interesting me because
• 26:27
  you were somebody that was doing a lot in your community and
• 26:31
  there were a lot of people that believed in you and, and, and
• 26:35
  there was good reason to believe in you.
• 26:36
  You were doing good things in the community for people.
• 26:41
  Plus it's a lot to carry on your shoulders too.
• 26:43
  I mean, you know, well, I. Think that was the issue too.
• 26:46
  I, I think it's the perfect storm of, you know, and I let a
• 26:49
  lot of people down. That's something I regret.
• 26:52
  I regret mostly I let my family down.
• 26:54
  I like and and and I feel, you know, where I was.
• 26:57
  I let God down at the time, but it was like, wait a minute, you
• 27:00
  know, and we'll hopefully we'll get into that.
• 27:02
  But that was where restoration came for me later on.
• 27:05
  But but yeah, you were, we talk about addiction.
• 27:08
  I think if you talk about talk to most addicts, it's, it's not
• 27:13
  that they don't want to live. They just know there's a better
• 27:17
  way to live. And you're like, what do you
• 27:20
  mean a better way? Hey, man, I could take away
• 27:24
  these feelings and I can get somewhere that I'm made to be
• 27:28
  heaven. I mean, you know, and that's not
• 27:30
  heaven because it really turns into hell is what it turns into.
• 27:34
  But yet you know that there's something out there that you're
• 27:38
  either striving to doing, whether it's caring pain,
• 27:41
  whether it's caring desire, the more the not enough.
• 27:44
  And and even with all the things you talk about, you know, I, I
• 27:48
  dealt with that. I wasn't enough that always had
• 27:51
  to perform that I always had to be more.
• 27:54
  And you know, that started out that I had to do something.
• 27:57
  And and even with that, my my, my church and that, you know,
• 28:02
  Southern Baptist Church grew up in but it didn't teach that I
• 28:05
  had a works theology, but it taught still that what you had
• 28:09
  to do for it, it there was an. Underlying to get there.
• 28:12
  It's underlying and I'll tell you that is I think, and I
• 28:16
  wasn't just from church, but I think everything and inside of
• 28:19
  me. I mean, that's why I was
• 28:20
  made-up. I want to go, let's let's do it.
• 28:23
  So action that I've proved to action and I still do that.
• 28:27
  I mean, you know, people will say what would be the thing in
• 28:29
  in business? I said, look, I'm looking for
• 28:31
  the result, right, but we've got to move.
• 28:34
  I mean, so many organizations, you see it, they're they'll talk
• 28:38
  about things like man, that business.
• 28:40
  Committee themselves to death. Big or it could be it could
• 28:44
  impact other people. They wouldn't have to be in that
• 28:46
  situation. But people won't move, you know?
• 28:49
  And where I need it is, is not just the result, but all of the
• 28:53
  compliance that goes along behind me in, as some people
• 28:57
  call it, my wake of moving through things, you know?
• 29:01
  Well, I'm curious, Nate, because you get this thing going, you've
• 29:05
  got a family. You've got, you know, you,
• 29:09
  you've got the American dream of what people think.
• 29:11
  You know, you got to paint a picture.
• 29:15
  Business, family, community, church.
• 29:20
  When did, when did it start to happen for you that you knew or
• 29:27
  had indications that something was not right with the business
• 29:32
  or if there was an investigation or if there was a talk, what,
• 29:35
  what, how did that come about you?
• 29:38
  Know so I had been in a in a men's group, in a Group, A
• 29:41
  recovery group and I had a couple of guys hey hey, we've
• 29:45
  heard about some of this stuff with you with insurance and go
• 29:47
  I'm like, well, I'll check on it and and I had stopped practicing
• 29:52
  in 2013 so I wasn't I say stop day-to-day, right?
• 29:58
  I was doing stuff. I mean, I kept my license up and
• 30:00
  I saw people, but it was more of a like, if I knew you and you
• 30:04
  came in, I would see. You do it as a favor because we
• 30:06
  were friends. I would, yeah.
• 30:07
  Or maybe if a doctor was out here and there, I would pick
• 30:10
  that up, but I wasn't in the rotation, so to speak.
• 30:14
  And you had a lot of locations, by the way.
• 30:16
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 30:17
  Yeah, I did. And, and, and I look at that is
• 30:21
  it started, I remember when, and I used to be on the State Board
• 30:24
  of Dentistry 2 years back. So I remember OIG office of, you
• 30:29
  know, the investigative, the general, you know, they, they
• 30:32
  come in and they're investigating.
• 30:34
  And I thought, oh, I've seen this, you know, that that's
• 30:36
  happened before. I just, hey, call them, turn
• 30:39
  over what they need. I'm not worried about it.
• 30:42
  And then it was like the Tennessee Bureau of
• 30:47
  Investigation started going out and I started, I had employees
• 30:51
  company and say, Hey, I got a phone call.
• 30:53
  This person wants to meet with me.
• 30:54
  And I'm like, what? And I was like, what what's
• 30:57
  going on here? And I was like, OK, now I had
• 31:00
  enough to know that was right when I called my lawyer and I
• 31:02
  called my business lawyer and he said, you know, hey, Nate, don't
• 31:06
  talk to OIG, don't talk to anybody.
• 31:09
  Let me let's let me at least reach out as a lawyer.
• 31:13
  And and yeah, it absolutely was. And I tell people all the time I
• 31:16
  said, you know, look, if the government is coming to you with
• 31:19
  investigation that it is not, they're not your friend.
• 31:23
  Your state government isn't, your local government isn't your
• 31:25
  federal government isn't. They are not there to help you.
• 31:28
  They're there to enforce. And, you know, it's like I, I
• 31:32
  was on the, a panel or, or not on the panel, but speaking at
• 31:36
  that conference last two weeks ago in LA and, and, and a person
• 31:40
  that is with the, that was formed with the DEA that has a
• 31:43
  consulting agents company and they're in a, they're in a good
• 31:48
  sized company. They formed.
• 31:49
  And she says, you know, we were DEA, we were Drug Enforcement
• 31:53
  Agency, not drug education agents.
• 31:56
  She said. And and the point was, and she
• 31:58
  made a good point. She said, you know, I would just
• 32:00
  go into doctor's offices all the time or anybody.
• 32:04
  I just talked to him. And she said, and they talk then
• 32:06
  at the end of the conversation, I would say, OK, I'm DEAI said,
• 32:09
  she says, you're going to go to prison.
• 32:12
  I, you know, not right now, of course, but we have this, this,
• 32:15
  this thanks for talking to me. And I have everything I need.
• 32:18
  And and she said the age that's not there to educate.
• 32:23
  And the same thing with our laws.
• 32:25
  We go out and start a business. I don't care if it's a hair
• 32:28
  salon. You know, we have a vocational
• 32:30
  school right now. My wife does.
• 32:32
  And we've grown that and, you know, among other things.
• 32:35
  But there are so many regulations that you've got to
• 32:40
  know about them now. It's not the government is not
• 32:42
  oh, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you like
• 32:45
  Ronald. Reagan, Ronald Reagan said.
• 32:47
  Yeah. They're not and I wish they
• 32:49
  were. I mean, and and that's what the
• 32:51
  backwards things have have come up with our government that just
• 32:54
  again, that's another conversation.
• 32:56
  It makes me irate. But but and and I'm not taking
• 33:00
  away from me breaking the law, but we're just so big.
• 33:03
  There's and you said it, there's no way to know everything that's
• 33:06
  going it's it would. Be impossible.
• 33:08
  Yeah. And and so people will say, oh,
• 33:10
  you, you know, you did this and you did that and, and yeah, it,
• 33:13
  it was it, they were ongoing. Because if you do it one time,
• 33:16
  they get it and they stay on it and days count and weeks and and
• 33:19
  then the story comes out that, you know, he was doing this and
• 33:23
  recklessly and continuing to. And you're like, I didn't know.
• 33:27
  I didn't even know I was doing that.
• 33:29
  But yeah, I signed that because I did continue because one day,
• 33:32
  one day, one day. So is there truth?
• 33:34
  Yeah, there's truth. I'm not running away from that.
• 33:36
  But the way the picture of it is versus the way it is.
• 33:40
  Well, I had a guest on a couple weeks ago.
• 33:43
  I think it's, it was last, yeah, two weeks, 2 episodes ago, David
• 33:49
  Grosky and, and he was talking, he was CEO of a of a good sized
• 33:53
  company and he said that one of the things that he found
• 33:59
  interesting going through the whole thing was, is that they
• 34:01
  did do something wrong. But the way that they created
• 34:06
  and piled on things that were not what they should have been,
• 34:10
  or, you know, like they said that the, that the actual test
• 34:13
  that they were doing was fake and the FBI was with the, and,
• 34:17
  and it had the, the test and they knew that it was real and
• 34:20
  it worked. But for the narrative to work,
• 34:24
  they made it a lot more monstrous to make sure that the
• 34:29
  public had the feeling that this was really, really, really bad.
• 34:34
  And you know what David said is it was there was, there was some
• 34:38
  truth in there. And he said, I was, I was going
• 34:40
  to plea to that. But the amount of other stuff
• 34:44
  that was in there was very damaging.
• 34:48
  Did he end up pleaing or did he? He did, yeah.
• 34:51
  Well, you know, the, the thing I learned this week, because I was
• 34:53
  with a lot of a couple weeks ago, I was with my own lawyer,
• 34:56
  but other healthcare lawyers and, and there was a question
• 34:59
  that came up to me. You know, I was talking about
• 35:01
  this and they said, well, I just don't believe you on this
• 35:04
  narrative because this is what it says in there and it's just
• 35:06
  coming from a lawyer. And I always thought, you know,
• 35:10
  that's the, and I said this to him.
• 35:11
  I said I'm not going to recant what I sign.
• 35:15
  Right. I won't, and yet I don't know
• 35:21
  how to tell you what happened with it.
• 35:23
  And I'll never forget this. That was when my lawyer piped in
• 35:27
  and there were several other lawyers in that had been US
• 35:30
  attorneys that were there. They're, they're in private
• 35:32
  practice now. And they, since they came up
• 35:34
  afterwards and, and you know, the guy asked the question, it
• 35:39
  may not been the forum to ask it the way he did, but I was glad
• 35:41
  he did because that's where my struggle always is.
• 35:44
  How do I answer that? I don't deal with that.
• 35:46
  And just like your, your, your former guest said also, and my
• 35:51
  lawyer piped in, he said, look, we didn't get to try that.
• 35:55
  That's what they're, that's what the the, the US attorneys are
• 35:58
  putting out to try, he said. Now we're not running from it,
• 36:03
  but there's a lot of stuff in there that.
• 36:06
  Could have been argued in a case and.
• 36:08
  He said what argued and he says and quite honestly I think would
• 36:12
  have been a different way, but we didn't.
• 36:14
  We didn't do it. No, we people forget.
• 36:17
  You don't. The people that have been
• 36:18
  through it don't. But I say when you see United
• 36:20
  States of America versus your name, the full weight authority
• 36:26
  and power of the United States government is coming at you.
• 36:31
  Take your. Breath away, I mean.
• 36:33
  Hey, we're we can go against Russia, we can go against the
• 36:36
  rest of the world, but we're people that's the same the same
• 36:40
  country that is you're underneath that, right.
• 36:43
  What are you gonna. How do you do it?
• 36:44
  Yeah. How do you and and you get to
• 36:46
  the point as you know, you know, with family going through stuff,
• 36:50
  my kids and especially when this stuff hits and it gets in the
• 36:53
  newspaper and and the the pressure that gets put on them,
• 36:56
  you're just like, this is ridiculous.
• 36:58
  It's a lot of pressure and I was curious when that started, when
• 37:02
  that started coming your way, Nate and you, your wife, your
• 37:06
  kids, how, how did you, how did you handle that?
• 37:09
  Oh, man, it was, it was tough. I mean, I didn't sleep.
• 37:12
  I didn't, you know, you don't eat.
• 37:14
  You go through ups and downs. You think everybody's looking at
• 37:17
  you. You, you know, you've got a
• 37:19
  company that you're still having to run because you, you haven't
• 37:22
  been indicted, you haven't pled to anything.
• 37:25
  You're still going and, you know, you're still dealing with
• 37:27
  any of the, the business problems, opportunities and
• 37:33
  where do you have to go? But you also have a family and
• 37:35
  the things that you're involved in.
• 37:37
  But what I did, you know, what, what I did do was start, you
• 37:40
  know, that was with a friend of mine that, like I said, was the
• 37:43
  therapist that that really became one of my very best
• 37:45
  friends. And he was just like, there's no
• 37:49
  shame in just going to and say, Hey, I can't keep doing this
• 37:52
  right now. I need to take a break.
• 37:54
  And, and even before it hit, as I knew it was going on, I, I
• 37:58
  backed away from a lot of things.
• 37:59
  I backed away from other relationships that at the time
• 38:02
  were pretty important. You know, I was looking at
• 38:04
  running, running for the US Senate at the time for
• 38:06
  Tennessee. And, and it was just, you know,
• 38:09
  with family and a couple of friends and I was very involved
• 38:12
  And, you know, it was looking at, you know, maybe doing those
• 38:15
  things and, and coming out there, but but it was just, it's
• 38:18
  like, you know, wait a minute. I don't.
• 38:20
  I don't need to. I need to shut down.
• 38:24
  Yeah, I need to slow it down here.
• 38:26
  I got a lot going on. Yeah, and, and, and it was just
• 38:28
  like I was like, what, what am I doing?
• 38:32
  What am I doing that for, you know, And then I start asking
• 38:34
  what for? And then how could I protect?
• 38:37
  But but I tell people, as you know, you talk to a lot of
• 38:39
  people, I'm sure that they go through it.
• 38:41
  They'll call me through, you know, people.
• 38:43
  I tell people, you know, I'll talk to you and but it's like,
• 38:48
  hey man, you're not thinking correctly, right?
• 38:51
  You can't. And anybody that says they are,
• 38:54
  they're not. And the decisions that I was
• 38:56
  making, I told even lawyers this last couple weeks ago and really
• 39:02
  had a great time with them. Learned a lot from how both
• 39:04
  sides look at it even more and. And.
• 39:08
  And you know the thing that I, I think that that really struck me
• 39:10
  was is that it would be great if somebody was going through you
• 39:14
  not just with the legal stuff, but to walk through you with
• 39:17
  business. Hey, what can you do?
• 39:20
  Because he, I, I have people. My lawyer said I can buy a house
• 39:23
  and put it in my wife's name and I said be careful.
• 39:27
  Yeah, I'm not a lawyer. I'm not telling you to do that,
• 39:30
  but I don't know where you are. And, and what I have found is,
• 39:34
  you know, there are a lot of things that in in some things
• 39:37
  you could do and other things you can't just tell people.
• 39:40
  Look, find a great lawyer, stick close to them, ask questions.
• 39:45
  But please understand this is your life.
• 39:49
  It's not theirs. You're going to go through it.
• 39:52
  They're not. They're going to go home to
• 39:54
  their kids, their wife, their stuff.
• 39:56
  And they didn't break the law either.
• 39:57
  Or maybe they didn't just didn't get caught.
• 39:59
  I don't know, you know what I'm saying?
• 40:01
  It, it's just you've got to be the advocate.
• 40:03
  And I learned that in prison too.
• 40:05
  And you know, that was the thing as you know, when you become
• 40:07
  successful and you, you make money, you can have other people
• 40:10
  do things for you. But the other thing I learned,
• 40:13
  they still don't do it to the level you're going to do it.
• 40:15
  That's right. When it comes to taking care of
• 40:17
  you. That's so true.
• 40:20
  How long did that process last for the time that you were three
• 40:23
  years from the investigation to the plea bargain?
• 40:26
  Investigation until the plea until I actually until I, you
• 40:30
  know, went in three, about three years.
• 40:34
  Yeah, so, so terrible when terrible.
• 40:37
  Yeah. Well, it's it's you're living
• 40:39
  through a nightmare. And it was.
• 40:43
  What was it 2019? When when 2. 1019 is when I went
• 40:47
  to went into prison. Yeah, the end of July.
• 40:51
  So the comes down, you get sent to was it Montgomery?
• 40:55
  Yeah, Federal FPC Montgomery. Yeah.
• 40:59
  What was that like? Here you are.
• 41:02
  You're you're walking in. You voluntarily surrender.
• 41:04
  I'm I'm assuming. Yeah, I did.
• 41:07
  And and. I walk us in there they.
• 41:09
  Yeah, my wife was taking me with my son and my eldest and they're
• 41:13
  going and of course it's it, it, it was emotional for me all the
• 41:16
  way up from leaving my kids the day before, the other kids the
• 41:19
  day before and family. And you know, you think you're
• 41:22
  going to to the, you know, the electric chair, which you're not
• 41:27
  right, but you. Don't.
• 41:28
  Yeah, no. It's totally unknown and and
• 41:31
  it's the worst fear in your life.
• 41:33
  And yet it also is a beginning of another concern, worry,
• 41:39
  anxiety. You know, that first part is the
• 41:41
  investigation. No, no, no, no.
• 41:43
  What's going to happen? Then the next part is OK to have
• 41:45
  the known in that. Then you're going to have to
• 41:47
  see, OK, do we fight it or not? Then there's that, then there's
• 41:50
  the you know, you go through it. Then there's the sentencing and
• 41:53
  you're thinking, OK, it's just, it's, it's never down.
• 41:56
  It's just always ups and you know where you have a brief a
• 41:59
  little bit and then you're going back through it.
• 42:01
  Again, ramp up again. Ramp up again and it's just that
• 42:03
  other ramp up, but I remember when.
• 42:05
  I and the ramp UPS, like you said, Nate, are the unknowns.
• 42:08
  They're the unknowns. Get your mind into a just a
• 42:11
  swirl, because usually we walk into things unless, unless we're
• 42:16
  doing something, you know, that we're trying something out new.
• 42:19
  We we have somewhat of the knowns.
• 42:21
  What what you're stepping to and everything you just said in
• 42:24
  those three steps are all real unknowns.
• 42:27
  Not you haven't experienced it. You're not ever you you just
• 42:32
  step into it. And I always felt the more I
• 42:37
  found out, as even as bad as it was, at least I know that.
• 42:40
  I mean, I remember I got the letter saying I was going to
• 42:42
  Leavenworth and I was like, damn.
• 42:45
  Well, I know that one. I've heard you that one.
• 42:47
  Leavenworth, are you? I know when you say that, it's
• 42:49
  like woo. Yeah, but then I, I, I start
• 42:53
  dealing with that, you know, it was like it was the unknown that
• 42:56
  takes your mind into And I always think this too, is that
• 43:00
  nothing is as bad as your mind makes it out to be.
• 43:03
  Not even prison. That's right.
• 43:05
  Well, and you know, I've I've learned this sense that doing
• 43:10
  men's groups. I told you about the friend of
• 43:12
  mine, Chip Dodd, and he he says this all the time.
• 43:15
  He says, you know, anxiety is always about living in tomorrow.
• 43:20
  Depression is living in yesterday.
• 43:24
  So, and, and something I learned and it really even more so even
• 43:29
  from 12 step programs before it's, you know, they're about
• 43:32
  staying in the moment in today. But something I really, really
• 43:37
  learned. And I, it took me a little while
• 43:39
  because I didn't settle into prison very easily.
• 43:41
  I mean, I was just, it was like, you know, I felt like a rat in a
• 43:43
  cage and, and, and I felt like I was, but I remember, like you
• 43:48
  said, I got dropped off by my wife and my kids.
• 43:51
  You know, we had the, you know, the tearful goodbye and I get
• 43:54
  into the car and I just had Chick-fil-A and I go and they
• 43:57
  pick me up and it's one of the corrections officers.
• 44:00
  And I said, Hey, how are you? And he looked over at me and
• 44:02
  says, I didn't speak to you, you know, so don't speak to me.
• 44:05
  And I'm like, I mean, I literally, you know, and, and I
• 44:08
  we, I self surrendered, you know, and you go through the,
• 44:11
  the whole thing and you bend over and you get checked out.
• 44:14
  Very dehumanizing. Internal things and and I'm
• 44:17
  like, and that was the only time I'd ever been put really behind
• 44:20
  bars, so to speak, And they did it and they made fun of it.
• 44:23
  Let's just put them in there and you know, these and and I was in
• 44:26
  with another white collar guy did and just, you know, close
• 44:29
  this in. I'm like, where are we going?
• 44:31
  I just self surrendered here. I, I, I, I came here, you know,
• 44:36
  but it was the whole, that whole mind thing that goes on and, you
• 44:40
  know, but it, but it started when I went there, man, I made
• 44:43
  some really good friends. You know, you do the lone walk
• 44:46
  where you're going and you don't know where to go, but you find
• 44:48
  out everybody's just like, you know, they talk to you, black,
• 44:53
  white, Hispanic, whatever, it doesn't matter.
• 44:56
  You know, you're all in there and it you know, and and in some
• 44:59
  ways it becomes a little bit of a brotherhood.
• 45:01
  I don't glamorize that because, you know, you had to watch out
• 45:04
  for your safety or had to watch out for everything else.
• 45:07
  You had to watch out for being set up for stuff that people
• 45:09
  didn't like. You get more time put on you.
• 45:11
  I mean, it really is prison and and and here, but what I learned
• 45:17
  was it's what you said about what what by my friend and and
• 45:23
  said about the anxiety and the depression is is that if I stay
• 45:28
  in tomorrow all the time I was already doing that.
• 45:31
  You talked about my childhood. I never lived in the day.
• 45:35
  I went to college. It was always more better.
• 45:38
  What listen to how coaches coach you got to you know, so you're
• 45:41
  going to you're working for tomorrow.
• 45:44
  You're not working for today. So I never learned that
• 45:47
  contentment and that was something I'm not saying I don't
• 45:51
  look to tomorrow. I do I still I'm human.
• 45:54
  I mean, you, you want to plan, you know, I'm rebuilding right
• 45:57
  now and and and and I say rebuilding more living, but but
• 46:02
  with other with obligations, not just to the government, to
• 46:04
  family and to got employees. Now I'm doing this, I'm I'm
• 46:09
  launching a, you know, a school online.
• 46:11
  I'm doing a lot with, with speaking and, and coaching and
• 46:15
  consulting dental offices and healthcare organizations and
• 46:18
  businesses. And so it's a whole new change
• 46:21
  here at 57, however. I'm we're the same age.
• 46:25
  It's like, yeah. You you go through all that and
• 46:29
  then you're like, well, OK, I'm going to keep doing this, but
• 46:32
  yeah, I'm having the most fun of my life.
• 46:33
  I mean, it's a great time, but I.
• 46:36
  So do you think that's the big thing that you found Nate in in
• 46:39
  prison? Was that contentment of the
• 46:41
  being in the moment? I found the contentment to be in
• 46:45
  the moment, but I really found that came to me through God,
• 46:48
  through, you know, to me through Jesus Christ.
• 46:50
  I mean, that's where my, my, my, and people say, oh, he got
• 46:54
  jailhouse religion. I had it before, sure.
• 46:57
  But I said if if that's the worst thing I got or the best
• 46:59
  thing, then hey, society needs to be.
• 47:01
  Glad not such a bad thing. Yeah, but but I tell you, I
• 47:04
  remember there. I just was like, look, I want to
• 47:07
  know you. I'm tired of the chase.
• 47:10
  Because everybody says, oh, you're in one of those prison
• 47:13
  camps. I said it's prison.
• 47:14
  I didn't turn a light on. You know, when I was there.
• 47:17
  You walk into a room, the lights are on.
• 47:18
  They come on. They come off for 10 months.
• 47:20
  You know you, they'd tell you what you're going to eat, what
• 47:22
  you're going to wear, how you're going to do it, shut you in
• 47:24
  stuff. They'll lock you down, they'll
• 47:26
  lock let you out. We worked every day as you.
• 47:29
  Probably, yeah. How did you, how did you do your
• 47:30
  time? What did, what kind of jobs and
• 47:33
  things did you do? I started.
• 47:34
  Out as AI had AI had a lot of experience with heavy equipment
• 47:37
  equipment and I had farms and stuff and and other developments
• 47:40
  that we were, I was doing and, and I had a lot of heavy
• 47:44
  equipment. So I went there and I said they
• 47:45
  were looking for people to drive tractors because in in
• 47:49
  Montgomery you're on an Air Force Base, so you're cutting
• 47:52
  all around the airfields. Well, you know, it's funny
• 47:56
  because here you are in prison, but you're going out there and
• 47:59
  I'm, you know, $100,000 tractor with a 15 foot Bush hog on the
• 48:03
  back. And I'm in there by myself and
• 48:05
  man, I'm 2 miles away from the prison just driving and going.
• 48:08
  And, you know, so that was a big way that I did that.
• 48:12
  And then you know, as as you probably know with we got in the
• 48:16
  first step Act was signed, but for for us it had not really
• 48:20
  been, they didn't know what to do with it.
• 48:22
  No, it took a long time for for any action to take place where
• 48:26
  they actually had to force them to take action.
• 48:28
  Yeah. And we didn't have any really
• 48:30
  I'd say benefit from it. We we did get a lot of people
• 48:33
  got benefit from COVID and stuff.
• 48:36
  But you know, I did some programming as they call taking
• 48:39
  classes and do that, but but most of it was that and and
• 48:43
  working and being around guys and and, you know, going
• 48:48
  through, you know, ARD app. I did that.
• 48:50
  I. Did do that too.
• 48:51
  Yeah, and, and it was and that that allowed me to get out
• 48:53
  earlier and, you know, because the only thing and before at the
• 48:56
  time, it was just 15% of good time.
• 48:58
  And, you know, you got your good time.
• 49:00
  And if you did that or anything else, that's the only thing you
• 49:04
  got time off for, right? So, so I looked at that and and
• 49:08
  you asked me how I did that. It just came to a place where,
• 49:11
  you know, in my prayer time and I really started asking God to
• 49:14
  show me things for me, not what I could do for others, but Lord
• 49:19
  just show up for me. How would you show up for me?
• 49:23
  Not and not in huge ways, but but a big way was, you know, I
• 49:28
  remember getting in and, and things just started really
• 49:30
  falling into place. I got into hard app two weeks
• 49:33
  after I was there. Everything started going and I
• 49:36
  just started thinking, Oh, this is coincidence, coincidence.
• 49:38
  And I stopped believing a lot of that was coincidence as things
• 49:41
  went on. And it was just like, wow, you
• 49:44
  know, the the universe is lining up too, too, too rightly, You
• 49:50
  know, for the things that I was going through in hardship that I
• 49:54
  finally accepted. It wasn't that it was really
• 49:58
  doing it that it happened, but I came to the place where
• 50:01
  acceptance was the answer to all of my problems today.
• 50:04
  You know, you've heard of that. You've.
• 50:05
  Heard. And I started accepting where I
• 50:08
  was then I accepted who I was and I accepted the need in my
• 50:12
  life for what I needed and I needed.
• 50:15
  I needed God. I mean, I needed God to show up
• 50:17
  and I wanted him and then to surrender Bender to that.
• 50:21
  That was where and to him really you surrender and then surrender
• 50:26
  to my surroundings. And I'm thinking, wait a minute.
• 50:28
  And it's just what you said when I first met you about your your
• 50:30
  show. And I write about it.
• 50:33
  I journaled about it in prison. I went back to some of my notes
• 50:36
  a few weeks ago and it was just like, this is no different than
• 50:39
  than society does. We put ourselves in prison
• 50:42
  there. I, I, I chose to, I broke the
• 50:45
  law. I made a choice and I broke the
• 50:49
  law, but I physically went somewhere that I was doing to
• 50:52
  myself each day when I was not in prison.
• 50:55
  And I found so many people did that.
• 50:57
  When I came home, it was the pandemic and people are like, Oh
• 51:01
  my gosh, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Now we were worried in prison
• 51:04
  because. Well, I Nate, I want to talk
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  here. So Nate, you were in that that
• 52:56
  world and all of a sudden it changes because the outside
• 53:02
  world shuts down, right? What?
• 53:03
  What was the inside world of prison life?
• 53:06
  Crazy. You didn't know.
• 53:07
  I mean it was scary it it because as you remember, I tell
• 53:12
  people this about prison. It's it's like the same Stew
• 53:16
  that you're stirring from information and all you are
• 53:19
  getting television information, but I mean go to the news.
• 53:23
  I mean, come on, which side are you on or where do you get it
• 53:26
  from? But it's still, you know, it,
• 53:29
  it, it has an its own agenda. So, so we're in there and you
• 53:33
  know, here we are. I mean, I'm a dentist, I'm in
• 53:35
  there with other physicians. And at first we're all like,
• 53:38
  what the heck is all this big deal about?
• 53:40
  I mean, we've got immunity, you know, and we would even talk
• 53:43
  about it in, in just medical ways and what we all knew.
• 53:46
  And we're like, this makes no sense.
• 53:48
  I mean, this something up with this because people are
• 53:50
  surviving. People are going through it's
• 53:53
  that now, but what happens is, you know, when hysteria comes
• 53:56
  through and mass hysteria, you start seeing and remember you
• 54:00
  don't know if anything's true or not.
• 54:01
  All you're getting is information from the television
• 54:04
  or when visits occurred, you would get information that was
• 54:08
  the time you. Right when you've got a visitor
• 54:10
  that shows up that talks about what's going on outside, you're
• 54:12
  like. Wow, and that you, you know, I
• 54:13
  craved those and I really appreciated my family and some
• 54:16
  friends that came. But but what it was like was, I
• 54:20
  mean, it, it, it was high alert. I mean, it was really everybody
• 54:24
  got on high alert. People heard they were dying.
• 54:26
  People were like demanding, look, I'm in it, I'm in a a
• 54:29
  prison camp and I'm going to die here.
• 54:32
  I mean, and, and it got really, really when I say heated, the
• 54:36
  fights didn't break out in that because I was also in when the
• 54:39
  when George Floyd went down. Now that was really a tough
• 54:42
  thing too, because remember, you have the same media there and
• 54:46
  that's the same 1. So how they're pitting that and
• 54:49
  what they're doing and what where it goes or not.
• 54:51
  That was when and you started seeing more and more, you know,
• 54:55
  people segment off into race. However, it still wasn't like I,
• 55:01
  you know, I had friends and of other races and, and close
• 55:04
  friends and and then they put you in quarantine when you were
• 55:07
  going to go home. But if you also remember, I was
• 55:10
  in the time when they started really letting people out, I
• 55:13
  mean. But did they?
• 55:14
  But they did they lock you down? Did they?
• 55:16
  Did they stop visits? They did all those things that
• 55:19
  you you craved. Yes, and they stopped visits and
• 55:23
  but but you know, the different thing was there was you were
• 55:27
  even with the news and the letters you would get in the I
• 55:29
  mean you couldn't make phone calls.
• 55:30
  They move the phone calls back into the dorms and you know, you
• 55:33
  weren't going outside at all, which was like that.
• 55:36
  'D be a horrible. I mean, yeah, but but again,
• 55:39
  they didn't know either. I mean, they're doing truly the
• 55:42
  best they knew to do and. And you look at BOPI mean their
• 55:45
  first thing is they're charged with our safety, you know,
• 55:48
  keeping us safe and and and however, you know, cheaply they
• 55:54
  can do it, but that's the way they do it.
• 55:56
  And and I just like, OK, but you started finding that they kept
• 56:00
  everybody in. But what they would do is
• 56:02
  quarantine you, but they called it a quarantine.
• 56:05
  But other people, whether they were the the corrections
• 56:08
  officers had gone at night. They.
• 56:10
  Go Oh yeah, They were the ones that coming back in that had
• 56:13
  been out. So you're really not in a true,
• 56:15
  you know, we would look at it and say this isn't a true
• 56:17
  quarantine. Even the corrections officers
• 56:18
  say we know. I mean, we're we're.
• 56:21
  Doing this is what they're telling us to do.
• 56:23
  And they were worried too. I mean, it was, it wasn't just
• 56:26
  us. I mean, they were worried as
• 56:28
  well. So they did a lot down and then
• 56:30
  they started letting people out and then we were up and down.
• 56:33
  All of a sudden everybody's going to get out.
• 56:35
  Then nobody's going home, and then what?
• 56:37
  Was that like Nate? I can't imagine, because I did
• 56:40
  time when I knew that I finally got the date and I knew that,
• 56:45
  what, 6 months out? Yeah, yeah.
• 56:47
  I can't imagine what that was like being in prison and at any
• 56:51
  time you could possibly get out. Yeah, it, you know, part of it
• 56:54
  was good because the hope goes up, you know, prison is about
• 56:59
  time and hope, I tell. Yeah.
• 57:01
  You know Shawshank. Yeah, exactly.
• 57:03
  That's exactly it, man. And if you can just settle into
• 57:06
  that and understand, you know what?
• 57:08
  I'm here till they let me go. Yes.
• 57:11
  Then I'm here and you really know it.
• 57:13
  And that's a tough thing to do. But what was it like?
• 57:15
  It was, I thought it was torture in a lot of ways.
• 57:18
  Now, when I say torture, you know, not like the, the water
• 57:21
  dripping on your forehead, all, you know, 24 hours.
• 57:24
  But it was just a mental. It was stuff, but.
• 57:27
  Metal strain? Sure, the.
• 57:29
  Country was in that so they didn't know what to do, but we
• 57:32
  felt like man, we can't do anything.
• 57:35
  And so I remember I finished RDAP and I'll never forget I had
• 57:39
  a date for September at the time.
• 57:42
  And as you know, when you finish, everything can change or
• 57:45
  not change. Well, I have one of the, one of
• 57:48
  our counselors in the program, he said, hey, he said shot your
• 57:51
  date's going to change. I said, what are you talking
• 57:53
  about? And they were even trying to
• 57:54
  figure out how to do RDAP, but they kept it going.
• 57:57
  I mean, crazy days. And they were imaginative and,
• 58:00
  and they did, I mean, I, I was grateful they did because by me
• 58:04
  programming and me finishing the program, my date changed And I,
• 58:09
  I got out not because of people say, oh, you got out because of
• 58:13
  the pandemic. No, I got out because of
• 58:14
  programming and Arda and the timing of when I got into it, A
• 58:18
  lot of people will come and say, man, how'd you get 33 months and
• 58:20
  get out in 10? Well, they can do that now with
• 58:23
  first step and you know, the first step and whatever they've
• 58:27
  got there. But, but at the time that was
• 58:30
  unheard of. But what I looked at when we did
• 58:33
  the calculations and Justin Papurni with white collar, you
• 58:36
  know, success and what he does and his prison consulting, you
• 58:40
  know, he was like, yeah, if you, if you can time it right.
• 58:43
  I remember when I got got off, he says you'll get between 13
• 58:46
  and 15 months is all you'll be there.
• 58:48
  And I was like, how do you know? He says, he says, I just really
• 58:51
  believe it. He says unless something really
• 58:53
  goes for you to get into RDAP like right away.
• 58:55
  And I got in right away. And if I looked at my time, it
• 58:59
  all was dependent on how much halfway house time they gave.
• 59:02
  As you know, some places are liberal with it, some places are
• 59:04
  not. Montgomery happened to be very
• 59:07
  liberal at the time and I don't know how they are now, but they
• 59:10
  were pretty liberal with it. And it just worked out.
• 59:13
  And when I finished, you know, and I was in, we were in
• 59:16
  lockdown. We were able to go out one, one
• 59:20
  time to get meals and we went in a single line and they let us
• 59:22
  all go, you know, out in line to go get we got our our lunch and
• 59:27
  then we got our bag dinner, you know, and we went back to our
• 59:30
  dorm and you know, they're keeping everybody in and we're
• 59:32
  staying in our sections. And you know, you know, I mean
• 59:35
  lot you're locked and, and, but I remember being told, Hey, shot
• 59:41
  your date changed and I was like, what I said, is that good?
• 59:44
  And the normally this, this, this person, you know, one of
• 59:50
  the counselors didn't smile and she was just always hard and she
• 59:53
  says, is it good? She.
• 59:55
  Says you're going to. Love it, she said.
• 59:57
  Go see Mr. so and so, you know, and you're going to be going
• 1:00:01
  into quarantine. Because they were also had us in
• 1:00:04
  lockdown, but they had another area where people were leaving
• 1:00:07
  to. Quarantine to go home.
• 1:00:08
  Yeah, yeah. So and that stopped.
• 1:00:10
  I went home in the very end of May 28th of 29 or 2020.
• 1:00:16
  And I'll never forget about a month and a half later, they
• 1:00:20
  just stopped before. And, you know, there was because
• 1:00:23
  they were trying to figure it out.
• 1:00:24
  They didn't know it was working. It wasn't.
• 1:00:26
  They were still letting people out, though a lot of people did
• 1:00:29
  get out early. And as you know, and I don't
• 1:00:31
  know if the rate is the same after.
• 1:00:33
  What is it going on five years now?
• 1:00:35
  Yeah. But in that first two years, the
• 1:00:38
  recidivation rate was recidivism rate was really.
• 1:00:41
  Low, absolutely it was. It was less than 3%.
• 1:00:45
  And as everybody probably knows and listen to this show, the
• 1:00:48
  recidivism risk can be as high as 65 to 75%.
• 1:00:52
  So it it's been an incredibly interesting experiment,
• 1:00:57
  unplanned. Yeah.
• 1:00:59
  Well, I what was your what was it like?
• 1:01:01
  You, you, you, you take, they take you, you go to the
• 1:01:05
  quarantine and and I don't know how used to it's.
• 1:01:07
  The best thing you ever have because you're finally like you
• 1:01:10
  are in quarantine. I mean, you're not leaving
• 1:01:12
  there, even though, you know, at different times, you know, guys
• 1:01:16
  from other other parts of the dorm or the area would sneak in
• 1:01:19
  and hey, man, you got shoes. Are you going to give your shoes
• 1:01:22
  to anybody, you know, give your underwear away and you know,
• 1:01:25
  goes and, and I'm like, Hey, how did you get in here, man?
• 1:01:29
  And I'm like, what in the world? They said, oh, we've got through
• 1:01:30
  the back door, you know, and I'm just like, and I, and I tell
• 1:01:33
  people on a side note, I'm like anything that goes on in this in
• 1:01:37
  the world, you can get in any prison.
• 1:01:39
  It's so true. If you want it, if you get it on
• 1:01:41
  the outside, they'll do it on the inside.
• 1:01:43
  And genius. And you have criminals in
• 1:01:45
  prison, so they're even more criminal at times, you know?
• 1:01:49
  And some really good smugglers. Oh my.
• 1:01:52
  Gosh, good smugglers, yes. I've never.
• 1:01:54
  Seen anything like? I don't even go there on some of
• 1:01:57
  it. But what it was like was, I
• 1:02:00
  mean, going into quarantine was really it was a reprieve, but
• 1:02:05
  yet it, you still were on high alert because you know that I
• 1:02:09
  take that four years of my life investigation started.
• 1:02:13
  And so the, and going through everything, surrendering my
• 1:02:16
  dental license to, you know, losing businesses that were
• 1:02:19
  valued at 20 million and decimated.
• 1:02:21
  I I just barely got what for four practices with the real the
• 1:02:26
  value of the real estate on one of them.
• 1:02:29
  And, and I, you know, I wasn't able to pay the government back
• 1:02:31
  like we planned and, and all that, but, but you know, it was,
• 1:02:35
  it was still, you're still at this phase.
• 1:02:37
  Am I really going home? It's like, I know, I'm sure it
• 1:02:40
  was you. Don't believe until you until it
• 1:02:42
  actually. Happens, right?
• 1:02:43
  Even though you get your date. Then you're thinking, uh oh,
• 1:02:45
  it's. Something could happen.
• 1:02:46
  Guys get pulled out of quarantine, their date would
• 1:02:49
  change and they they'd have them in there and it'd be two days
• 1:02:52
  before they're supposed to go and you're in there with them
• 1:02:54
  and they're coming to get them say hey, we're pulling you out.
• 1:02:56
  So it's a whole nother. It's like, OK, are they going to
• 1:02:59
  pull me out? You know, and then, as you know,
• 1:03:01
  if if your your ride and, and that time was my wife, if they
• 1:03:06
  didn't show up at the right time, got in a car accident,
• 1:03:09
  they're bringing you back in, then they're reworking you and
• 1:03:12
  then you have to stay. And it's just it's here.
• 1:03:15
  It's it's. It's all in your mind, Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  And you? Know you see all the the
• 1:03:19
  comments of well, they broke the law they should live that way.
• 1:03:22
  I said, look man, that's the it's the craziest thing ever
• 1:03:26
  with it when government gets into it and then even with
• 1:03:29
  privatized prisons, you're just warehousing people and as you
• 1:03:33
  said, recidivism got down to 3%. There are better ways to do it.
• 1:03:37
  They're they're much. Better.
• 1:03:38
  Absolutely. But anyway, I got through that,
• 1:03:41
  but it was still the best time because you're just sitting
• 1:03:44
  there going home. You didn't have to do the work.
• 1:03:46
  It was laid back. What I think, yeah.
• 1:03:48
  But Nate, when you got let out, it was in the height of the
• 1:03:52
  Covic thing, May of 2020. That had to be kind of weird to
• 1:03:56
  get out of prison. And the rest of the world is
• 1:03:59
  also locked down. Yeah, it was.
• 1:04:01
  That was, that's where I go to the story of people would come
• 1:04:04
  visit at the house and say, how are you doing?
• 1:04:05
  I said, this is the greatest thing ever.
• 1:04:07
  I'm out of prison and I'm looking around and I'm like, I'm
• 1:04:10
  doing great. And they're like, aren't you
• 1:04:11
  worried? I said worried.
• 1:04:12
  I'm out of prison, man. I'm out of prison.
• 1:04:14
  I'm not in prison anymore. I'm not in prison anymore, man.
• 1:04:17
  It was truly like a freedom. But yet you, I watched the world
• 1:04:22
  still live that way and live that way for years after and I
• 1:04:25
  still see it. I mean, I'm on, I travel quite a
• 1:04:27
  bit, as you probably do. And, and you still see it on
• 1:04:31
  planes. You still see it in restaurant
• 1:04:33
  and, and, and there's certain states you go to that, you know,
• 1:04:36
  up until a year ago, I think, you know, California was still
• 1:04:39
  putting pink people on alert and locking mask mandates and
• 1:04:44
  different counties. And you know, it, it's just it,
• 1:04:47
  it, it was crazy. But but it still goes back to
• 1:04:50
  what you say you do your show. It was the pandemic.
• 1:04:54
  But if we look back to all of that, the prison of our mind and
• 1:04:57
  our soul that we put ourselves in each day by how we feel and
• 1:05:02
  how we think is how we end up leading our lives.
• 1:05:06
  And that was the part that led me to prison because I was
• 1:05:10
  trying to live outside of that other prison.
• 1:05:15
  And when I found it, it was like, wow.
• 1:05:18
  And then I thought, OK, I can just do more.
• 1:05:20
  But that was still prison 'cause I was still like, you're on a
• 1:05:23
  wheel. You go more, more, more, more.
• 1:05:25
  You're on a wheel even. Didn't matter what I had that
• 1:05:28
  did not ever. That didn't satisfy.
• 1:05:30
  So do you feel like now after going through all this, I mean,
• 1:05:34
  well, tell us, tell us what you're doing now 'cause I think
• 1:05:36
  you're doing things that are passion things for you.
• 1:05:38
  And yeah, yeah. They are, well, I'm, I'm, I get
• 1:05:40
  to go back and really help dentist and, and that's been one
• 1:05:43
  of my fun things to do, how to grow practices, you know, their
• 1:05:48
  operational side. Compliance.
• 1:05:50
  Yeah. And I know how to do it and I
• 1:05:52
  enjoy it. You know, I really get to, you
• 1:05:55
  know, and then talking about it, dealing with, like I said,
• 1:05:59
  compliance and other businesses, entrepreneurs, you know, started
• 1:06:04
  doing podcasts myself, you know, like this and you know, and I've
• 1:06:07
  got stuff on Instagram at Doctor Nate's shot and it's just
• 1:06:10
  starting to grow and it just took off virally.
• 1:06:13
  And it's interesting because I just I really remember this, you
• 1:06:17
  know, I want I always was looking how could I be the way I
• 1:06:21
  was made to be so I could live the way I was made to live.
• 1:06:26
  And I really have found that now.
• 1:06:28
  And like I said, through, through, through Christ for me.
• 1:06:31
  And though staying in the moment where I'm supposed to be.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah. And and more comes, but I don't
• 1:06:39
  have to chase it. Yeah.
• 1:06:41
  It's, it's that whole feeling of needing to, OK, I have to go and
• 1:06:45
  you got to get it and, and I have to perform.
• 1:06:47
  And it's like, wait a minute, I'm enough.
• 1:06:50
  I'm I'm enough? I'm all right.
• 1:06:52
  I'm all right. And if I don't, I don't make a
• 1:06:54
  lot of money. I don't make a lot of money, but
• 1:06:56
  I get to go talk to people, I get to help people and I get to
• 1:06:59
  do stuff like this. And thank you for having me and,
• 1:07:02
  and really, really see, help me see into people.
• 1:07:05
  Because my other mission is just like I said, I want to live the
• 1:07:10
  way I'm made to live so I could be the way I'm made to be so I
• 1:07:13
  can live the way I'm made to live.
• 1:07:14
  That's my mission, to help other people.
• 1:07:15
  Do I love that? You know, I want to help them be
• 1:07:17
  who they're made to be so they can live the way they're made to
• 1:07:19
  live. That needs to be the name of
• 1:07:21
  your book. That's exactly, it's funny you
• 1:07:23
  said that. And I'm working on it right now.
• 1:07:25
  We're we've got a it's great because I do have a writer that
• 1:07:29
  wants to come in to help and I've got a lot of it done, but
• 1:07:31
  she's been talking about it and we're we're starting it and I've
• 1:07:34
  already written a few that I'm getting ready to put out there
• 1:07:37
  about other business things and you know, things I learned in
• 1:07:39
  prison and just, you know, how, how, how life just works and you
• 1:07:43
  know, if it and, and it's, it's been fun.
• 1:07:46
  So it's been great. And the other thing is embracing
• 1:07:49
  this, you know? Definitely.
• 1:07:51
  Fun from it. No.
• 1:07:52
  And I, I almost think don't you, Nate, there's two guys here
• 1:07:55
  talking about calling a person. But don't you think that there's
• 1:07:58
  some freedom to the fact that you're not hiding from it,
• 1:08:01
  you're leading with it so that somebody can't come up to you
• 1:08:04
  say, hey, I know about you, you, you didn't.
• 1:08:07
  It's all out there. It's all out there.
• 1:08:09
  And there's a certain amount of freedom that comes from that,
• 1:08:13
  that you then just do what you want to do, find the things that
• 1:08:17
  you feel most passionate about and hopefully you can get good
• 1:08:20
  at it and, and, and help people. Yeah, that's what makes me free.
• 1:08:26
  It's like you look at all the stuff.
• 1:08:27
  I mean, I didn't give you any of that information.
• 1:08:31
  It's out there. Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  It's easy to find. I mean, it'll scour the
• 1:08:35
  Internet. You can go to DOJ and you can go
• 1:08:37
  through the court system and you can get everything you want.
• 1:08:39
  And it'll tell you about my childhood.
• 1:08:41
  It'll say things that I wish they didn't have about my
• 1:08:43
  parents that weren't shared because, you know, you want the
• 1:08:46
  judge to know you and obviously have favorable results.
• 1:08:51
  But. But I look at that and I'm just
• 1:08:53
  like all of it. I'm not afraid.
• 1:08:55
  I don't have, yeah, what happened?
• 1:08:57
  You know, secrets make you sick and I don't hide anymore and you
• 1:09:00
  don't either. And and I can be in, in, in any
• 1:09:04
  place and, you know, have a few clients will say, man, you, you
• 1:09:07
  don't have to, you know, shed, you know, share all that stuff
• 1:09:10
  because I'm, you know, like you see, you do an Instagram post
• 1:09:13
  and get me to get on YouTube and doing this.
• 1:09:15
  And, you know, I said what for? I said it helps me get business.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah, because I don't. I'm honest, man.
• 1:09:25
  It's just like, hey, you're dealing with a felon.
• 1:09:27
  I mean, I broke the law. I and I see people.
• 1:09:31
  I'll see people at times that I'll go in and deal with.
• 1:09:33
  I'm like, look, I went to prison, but you're gonna go
• 1:09:35
  under the prison if you don't stop doing.
• 1:09:36
  What? You better stop.
• 1:09:37
  Yeah, You better listen to what I have to say.
• 1:09:40
  Man, and you're like, what? What do you mean?
• 1:09:41
  I said there, there's the what? I'm your worst nightmare.
• 1:09:44
  Listen to me. It's just not fun.
• 1:09:48
  So they I got, I always ask everybody this.
• 1:09:50
  I'm curious what your answer is. Is is.
• 1:09:54
  What do you think is your greatest take away from all this
• 1:09:57
  that you've lived through? Oh man, well, you know, mine is
• 1:10:01
  just, God is faithful. God is faithful.
• 1:10:05
  And it's no matter what I've done where I am, I have a second
• 1:10:10
  chance, a third chance, a 4th 1/5.
• 1:10:13
  You know, my belief is God is a God of those chances.
• 1:10:16
  He's a regod. We get to redo, you know, over
• 1:10:20
  again. And, and, and it's how I accept
• 1:10:22
  that. And the reality is, people, I'm
• 1:10:25
  not as important to other people as I think I am.
• 1:10:27
  I'm the most important person in my life is me, you know, and I
• 1:10:31
  have to take care of me. And if I don't take care of me,
• 1:10:34
  I can't give me. So I have to.
• 1:10:36
  Have all of me to give to the people that I love and I care
• 1:10:39
  about and that, you know, the most precious commodity.
• 1:10:42
  It's not money, it's time. Absolutely.
• 1:10:45
  Because when you get it taken away from you and get or at
• 1:10:48
  least get it controlled. You realize how valuable it is
• 1:10:52
  and the moments that you're in. Yeah, it is and and and I think
• 1:10:56
  the the the take away though is how faithful.
• 1:11:00
  I don't regret anything in the sense of I don't wouldn't give
• 1:11:06
  you any amount of money you couldn't give me to take away
• 1:11:10
  having to go on to prison. But yet I don't ever want to go
• 1:11:13
  through that again. But if you told me that I was
• 1:11:16
  going to get as much of how I knew about me and what I knew
• 1:11:21
  about God, I'm going to tell you.
• 1:11:23
  I'm not saying I want to go back, but if what I got, I don't
• 1:11:27
  think I could have gotten it any other way.
• 1:11:29
  Maybe I could have I, I, I don't know, but I certainly didn't
• 1:11:31
  from treatment. I certainly didn't from all the
• 1:11:34
  businesses, all the performing, all the doing, you know, the,
• 1:11:37
  the hero child, the starting is helping people, you know,
• 1:11:41
  sending and, and you did the same thing, I'm sure.
• 1:11:43
  I mean, you guys gave a lot of money and did things and, and
• 1:11:46
  help people. And I find that a lot with white
• 1:11:49
  collar guys that were in prison, they were giving.
• 1:11:51
  I mean, it wasn't, they weren't, you know, people hold it.
• 1:11:54
  Oh, it was behind a facade. No, it was and it was their
• 1:11:57
  heart. It was my heart.
• 1:11:59
  And and so and and it is the other thing.
• 1:12:02
  It's none of my business what other people think of me.
• 1:12:05
  I love that statement. I love that I.
• 1:12:08
  Learned. So guess what?
• 1:12:09
  Think all you want as long as I'm staying in the line, right?
• 1:12:13
  I mean, hey. It's been a while since I heard
• 1:12:15
  that, but I love that statement. Yeah, meets.
• 1:12:17
  None of my business what other people think of me.
• 1:12:19
  I love that because so many things can be stopped because
• 1:12:22
  you're worried about what other people think.
• 1:12:24
  Well, if you think about it, I mean, I love what your one of
• 1:12:26
  your sponsors and I like to look into that online management.
• 1:12:30
  Yeah, I was sitting here thinking about it, and you
• 1:12:33
  should. And we need to, yeah, because we
• 1:12:35
  need to protect ourselves too, because there's so many things
• 1:12:37
  out there. And if you don't check it, it's
• 1:12:39
  turning a blind eye to it. Exactly, you know now.
• 1:12:42
  Want to be blind spotted? No more blind spots.
• 1:12:45
  Yeah, and I don't want blind spots, but but when I look at
• 1:12:48
  it, I'm just like, you know, I'm really free.
• 1:12:50
  I mean, I haven't done that because people can pull up
• 1:12:53
  online and. I got to tell you, Nate, that's
• 1:12:55
  what I love about your story and, and your personality,
• 1:13:00
  everything that you are about, you're using that to, to pay it
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  forward and, and your experience is something that you lead with
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  and you help other people with. And it's, it's, it's a good
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  thing because I think once you know people, this goes into 800
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  prisons. It's not to the federal prisons,
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  but the state prisons. And you know, the, the, your
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  message of hope that you can, you can, you can figure it out.
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  Those are all important things that, that people, whether
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  you've been to prison or have been to prison, that you can get
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  through whatever's in front of you.
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  Just, you know, stay within the moment, stay into your passion.
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  Believe. That's so true and.
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  Don't lose hope. Right.
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  And don't lose hope because if you don't, like I said, you're
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  going, you're the one going through it.
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  And it's lonely, right? It's sad, it hurts, there's
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  fear, there's shame. But I'm going to tell you
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  something. For me, it's like I said, it's
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  none of my business what others think.
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  And I have to live with me. They have to live with them.
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  That's right. And and as you know.
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  You never know what you when you pull back the curtains, what
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  you're going to say. You know, and the other thing I
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  found out too, and this is there's so many people that are
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  living in silent pain that is even deeper than what, you know,
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  we went through. For sure.
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  And, and for the people that are in prison that this goes to, I'm
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  going to tell you, and I say this to them, this isn't the end
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  of your life. It's the beginning when you get
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  out. Oh yeah.
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  Make it, make it change. It's it's tough.
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  You've got to change your habit. You got to change the people
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  you're around. You got to change the people
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  you're dealing with. You said about blind spots and
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  you know, I've gotten to know you well enough, not just
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  through this, but talking back and forth.
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  I want to put people in my life. I said, look, when I see
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  guardrails, that was just kind of like an idea of something I
• 1:14:47
  could jump over, you know, and, and how high I could get it.
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  Hey, because it's innovative, you know, Hey, we're not really
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  made to follow though. But I know now if there's a
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  guardrail up, I look around with men and I have men around me.
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  I pick, I have my pallbearers picked out now.
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  And those are the people that are going to be genuinely honest
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  and they're going to come to me. And if, if it was like we're
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  there's going to say, hey, Nate, I see something you're doing and
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  it, it's there's something out what's going on with you?
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  What's happening? And I want them to because I
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  need somebody. I still have blind spots.
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  Just because I went to prison doesn't mean I don't know it.
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  But if I have people in my life daily that know me, good things
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  happen to known people. And if I'm known and and you
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  know me and, and you're with me, when you, when you tell me the
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  truth, that means you love me. Tell me a lie.
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  It means you don't care about me.
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  You know, tell me what I want to hear.
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  But when you talk the truth, and that was the other thing I
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  learned in prison, you tell the truth because you have to,
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  because all you have your respect.
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  That's all you have. And that's, and people don't
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  want and they can read you like, you know, my, my always smiling
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  and happy. Oh, this is going to be great
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  tomorrow. And I'll say, hey, I don't know
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  if this is going to work, but I'm going to work until it does.
• 1:16:02
  And I'm going to work until I can't do it or find out another
• 1:16:06
  way to do it. But we're not going to do it
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  illegally, immorally or unethically.
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  There it is. And that's where we're at, so.
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  Wow, that's a good, that's a good place to end it there,
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  Nate, You just, you hit all the buttons.
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  If somebody wants to get a hold of you.
• 1:16:18
  Nate, what's the what's the best place to go?
• 1:16:20
  Www.doctornateshot.com is the best play and and if they're
• 1:16:24
  looking for business advice it's Discover plg.com but they can
• 1:16:28
  get me at Doctor nateshot.com so that's great.
• 1:16:30
  Doctor Nate shot OK and and you know, I want to thank Homestead
• 1:16:35
  Financial lets me use all this fancy stuff here and and lights
• 1:16:39
  and cameras and to do my show. And if you need home mortgage
• 1:16:43
  advice, Greg Aftiev is your guy. If you guys got time, it's great
• 1:16:49
  to leave a review on Apple. I don't know why that's such a
• 1:16:51
  big deal, but it does help the show and I know it's a hassle,
• 1:16:54
  but if you got time to do it, I got a new website
• 1:16:56
  outtherebrentcassie.com. I spell it wrong.
• 1:17:00
  It's with a Ty, not a DY as I used to say when I was writing
• 1:17:05
  my emails back and forth from Leavenworth.
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  Stay strong. I'll do the same.
• 1:17:09
  Nate Shot. Thank you so much, man.
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  I appreciate what you're doing, your story being on the show.
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  Thank you. Thank you, man.
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  Thanks, Brent. God bless.
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  I'm your success in and out.