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The Kenny Report | 26 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: The country runs into possible electricity shortages just because the
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Speaker 2: weather warms up. What's the point of air conditioning if
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Speaker 2: we can't switch it on? And as our national energy
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Speaker 2: self harm continues, I'll show you how the ABC rides
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Speaker 2: shotgun for the labor approach with anti Semitism running a mark.
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Speaker 2: I'll explain why Australia should withdraw from the International Criminal Court,
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Speaker 2: and we'll hear from Alexander Downer who signed.
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Speaker 1: Us up for it.
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Speaker 2: I'll also cross to Kristen Tate in the United States,
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Speaker 2: where Donald Trump has had some good news on the
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Speaker 2: legal front and Joe Biden doesn't seem to know what's
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Speaker 2: going on. Also Tim Blair, Susio O'Brien and Stephen Senna
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Speaker 2: Tiempo and Cyclone Tracy fifty years on.
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Speaker 1: Let me share with you two things.
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Speaker 2: About the weather, climate and energy that are beyond a
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Speaker 2: joke and are a sad indictment on this country. The
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Speaker 2: first is kind of silly, I guess, but it feeds
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Speaker 2: into the global warming hysteria, and that is the way
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Speaker 2: the media, encouraged by the weather Bureau of Course reports
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Speaker 2: so called heat.
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Speaker 1: Waves these days.
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Speaker 2: I mean calling it a heat wave in Australia when
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Speaker 2: the forecast is in the mid thirties.
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Speaker 1: What nonsense is this? And have a look at this
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Speaker 1: weather map.
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Speaker 2: They just keep going for darker and more dramatic colors
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Speaker 2: to show rising temperatures, don't they and supposed to look scary,
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Speaker 2: I guess. And the highest temperature on that map is
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Speaker 2: thirty five degrees. What will they do when it reaches forty?
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Speaker 2: Just color all of Australia black. It's pretty silly stuff,
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Speaker 2: but it's just so common these days. The more concerning
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Speaker 2: and damning problem is the other aspect other aspect of
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Speaker 2: that story. With the warm weather comes the threat of blackouts.
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Speaker 2: We don't have enough power to confidently meet peak demand
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Speaker 2: on a warm day.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: I've been talking about our national energy self harm for
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Speaker 2: more than a decade, so you've heard it all from
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Speaker 2: me before. But we've turned out energy rich country from
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Speaker 2: a place of plentiful and affordable electricity and economic advantage
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Speaker 2: to one where we have an energy pricing and reliability crisis.
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Speaker 2: A few hot days has the energy market operator taking
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Speaker 2: drastic action.
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Speaker 3: We are experiencing some quite unseasonable hot weather here in
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Speaker 3: New South Wales today and effectively that is a summer
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Speaker 3: heat wave while we're still here in spring. That combined
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Speaker 3: with a number of major generation units that are on outage,
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Speaker 3: both due to planned and unplanned maintenance, is causing tightness
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Speaker 3: in electricity supply.
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Speaker 2: Mate, enough with these excuses. We're five days away from
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Speaker 2: so we expect warm weather and your problem is you
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Speaker 2: don't have enough reliable generation. These are the people in
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Speaker 2: charge of the so called transition to renewable energy, and
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Speaker 2: they're making a hash of it. They'll hope to muddle
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Speaker 2: through by using demand management, that is, by paying large
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Speaker 2: electricity users like factories and smelters to shut down for
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Speaker 2: a while to reduce demand and hopefully prevent blackouts. So
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Energy and Environment Minister gave us this.
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Speaker 4: The advice is always the same on really hot days,
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Speaker 4: do you really need to have every single light on
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Speaker 4: in the house? Do you need to have your air
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Speaker 4: conditioning up down at nineteen degrees You don't.
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Speaker 2: Well, I expect to put a light on if I
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Speaker 2: want to put a light on you, And I might
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Speaker 2: suggest a modern country needs to ensure it's got enough
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Speaker 2: power when it needs it. But these people want us
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Speaker 2: to stop using electricity. I mean, make up your mind's people.
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Speaker 2: One minute, you want us all in electric cars and
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Speaker 2: using electric stoves instead of gas cookers, And now it's
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Speaker 2: switched your electricity and your appliances off. As I keep warning,
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Speaker 2: we've been lucky to have a couple of mild summers.
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Speaker 2: If we get a normal summer, there's every chance will
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Speaker 2: be hit by power shortages on hot days in January
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Speaker 2: and February. And if that happens, well, Lord helped the
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Speaker 2: Albaneze labor government going to an election a month or
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Speaker 2: two later. Now, this electricity crisis, this threat of blackouts,
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Speaker 2: comes hot on the hills of the United Nations COP
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Speaker 2: twenty nine Climate conference in Azerbaijan, where Climate and Energy
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Speaker 2: Minister Chris Bowen was glad handing the UN's climate action
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Speaker 2: set and signing Australia up to tip more money into
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Speaker 2: developing nations, including China. Mind you, the world's largest greenhouse
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Speaker 2: gas emitter. I mean Bowen should be sorting out the
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Speaker 2: electricity mess back here, but he's traveling the world, adding
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Speaker 2: to his carbon footprint and promising more taxpayers money to
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Speaker 2: help other countries stuff up their.
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Speaker 1: Power grids with renewables, but it gets worse. Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: always gets worse.
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Speaker 2: The federal government is backing the South Australian labor government
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Speaker 2: as it bids to host one of these United Nations
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Speaker 2: Climate conferences.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: COP thirty one is likely to be held in Adelaide
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Speaker 2: in two years time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, why not force most of the world's nations.
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Speaker 2: To fly to one of the farthest flung cities possible
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Speaker 2: so they can maximize their carbon footprints for a climate conference.
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Speaker 2: Listen to how South Australia is sprooking itself.
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Speaker 5: Leading with wind, leading with solar, leading with batteries, leading
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Speaker 5: with hydrogen.
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Speaker 1: What about leading with price? You know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, South Australia has more wind power than anywhere else.
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Speaker 2: It also has the highest prices in the country, some
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Speaker 2: of the most expensive electricity in the world. And as
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Speaker 2: for hydrogen, world investors backing out of these schemes at
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Speaker 2: a rate of knots.
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Speaker 1: It's supplying the sky stuff technology that is.
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Speaker 2: Unproven on a commercial scale, but that doesn't stop the hype.
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Speaker 6: In less than two decades, we've gone from one percent
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Speaker 6: renewables to seventy five percent, the highest proportion of variable
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Speaker 6: renewable energy penetration in the world and will hit one
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Speaker 6: hundred percent net renewable by twenty twenty seven.
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Speaker 5: South Australians know the power of renewables.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Yes, South Australians also know the hardship of blackouts. Crohe
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Speaker 2: It has experienced the state's first ever statewide blackout eight
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Speaker 2: years ago when the power line from Victoria was tripped
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Speaker 2: and without coal fired power from interstate, South Australia went
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Speaker 2: dark and it took some areas many days to get
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Speaker 2: the power back on.
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Speaker 5: We're a world leader, ready to welcome the world fleets
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Speaker 5: we South Australia. We are the clear choice for COP
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Speaker 5: twenty one.
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Speaker 2: A world leader or a warning to the world. A
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Speaker 2: canary in the closed coal mine. Imagine how much COP
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Speaker 2: thirty one will cost, and imagine Premier Peter malanowskis explaining.
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Speaker 1: Why he subjects his voters to expensive and.
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Speaker 2: Unreliable power when his own state it has one of
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Speaker 2: the world's largest uranium mines exporting yellowcake.
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Speaker 1: So that other countries can.
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Speaker 2: Have the reliable, affordable and emissions free nuclear power that
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Speaker 2: Australians are denied. Imagine Alberizi telling the visitors that we're
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Speaker 2: going to build nuclear powered submarines in South Australia with
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Speaker 2: intermittent electricity from wind farms. Perhaps it would be a
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Speaker 2: good idea to have Cop thirty one in Adelaide. It
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Speaker 2: might be a reality check on our own climate and
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Speaker 2: energy self harm. In fact, they should have it in
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Speaker 2: February and run the risk of blackouts during the conference
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Speaker 2: on a hot day. There's nothing like a forty degree
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Speaker 2: day without air conditioning to remind you of how power
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Speaker 2: needs to be affordable and reliable. Let's stay on energy
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Speaker 2: and look at how the ABC, the taxpayer funded broadcaster,
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Speaker 2: ignores the facts and runs an ideological agenda on this stuff,
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Speaker 2: a simplistic line where.
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Speaker 1: Renewables are good and nuclear is bad.
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Speaker 2: There's no one at the public broadcaster who shows more
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Speaker 2: ideological bias and less regard for the ABC charter than
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Speaker 2: its media watch host Paul Barry, who uses his weekly
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Speaker 2: fifteen minute program to push his political hobby horses like
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Speaker 2: renewable energy and attack is perceived enemies such as News Corp.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at this from last night.
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Speaker 7: But let's leave the tension of social media and inflickt
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Speaker 7: the switch to analogue across to one of the ABC's
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Speaker 7: longest running radio shows. It's been broadcast or over Australia
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Speaker 7: for the last thirty nine years.
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Speaker 8: Get on with it, Mecca, oh Will, good morning and
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Speaker 8: welcome wherever you are.
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Speaker 7: The ABC is often accused by its critics of being
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Speaker 7: a conservative free zone, but for the last four decades,
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Speaker 7: Macca has been a staunch defender of old fashioned values.
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Speaker 1: How about that, hey.
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Speaker 2: The ABC runs five freedomware television stations, four national radio networks,
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Speaker 2: including more than sixty local radio stations. It runs a
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Speaker 2: host of online platforms and streaming services, and Barry managed
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Speaker 2: to find one show aired once a week on Sunday mornings,
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Speaker 2: that is hosted by someone not identifiably from the green left.
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Speaker 2: There's balance and reality at the ABC for you. Still,
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Speaker 2: Barry seems unhappy even with this, and especially because Macca
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Speaker 2: did to have on his program the entrepreneur and environmentalist
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Speaker 2: Dick Smith, who's worried about global warming but wants affordable, reliable,
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Speaker 2: clean energy.
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Speaker 7: Dick Smith invited himself into the studio to be Macca's
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Speaker 7: star guest and was on the air for two hours
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Speaker 7: of the four and a half hour show, spreading the
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Speaker 7: message that global warming is real, but wind and solar
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Speaker 7: won't solve the problem because there's no way to store
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Speaker 7: power cheaply when the wind doesn't blow and the sun
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Speaker 7: doesn't shine.
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Speaker 8: The Costard Batches is so staggering. It means that renewables
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Speaker 8: and storage is completely unaffordable.
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Speaker 7: And said Smith, when the experts at CSIRO tell us
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Speaker 7: that renewables are the cheapest form of power, they are
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Speaker 7: lying to us or have got their sons hopelessly wrong.
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Speaker 8: Look, we're not being told the truth. And I can't
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Speaker 8: work this out because they are scientists, engineers.
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Speaker 1: At the CSIRO.
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Speaker 8: They did this report called the Gen Cost Report. But
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Speaker 8: what's missing is the cost of the storage.
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Speaker 7: That claim from Smith is flat out wrong, because CSIRO
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Speaker 7: has made it quite clear several times that it did
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Speaker 7: include storage costs in its gen Cost Report.
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Speaker 1: Well, yes, up to a point.
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Speaker 2: The debate is whether those costings are adequate and realistic.
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Speaker 1: The Gen Cost.
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Speaker 2: Report talks about storage requirements being lower than other experts
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Speaker 2: suggest because they expect that transmission will bring in wind
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Speaker 2: or solar power from somewhere, or gas peaking generation will
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Speaker 2: be available. Energy experts believe gen costs drastically underestimates all
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Speaker 2: of these costs. Then again, we have our lived experience,
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Speaker 2: you know the known facts about costs that Barry ignores.
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Speaker 7: But they did not deter Smith from dismissing their conclusions
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Speaker 7: and claiming.
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Speaker 8: We have five million people who live paypack it to
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Speaker 8: paypack it. They can't pay three times what that pay
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Speaker 8: now for electricity. And if we go to ninety percent renewables,
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Speaker 8: which is the plan of the present government, it'll be
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Speaker 8: three times the price minimum, probably more than that.
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Speaker 7: That is just moonshine, as you might gather from this
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Speaker 7: International Energy Agency report.
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Speaker 2: Well, people's power bills are not moonshine. As the renewable
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Speaker 2: energy share has increased, so have our bills. Someone has
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Speaker 2: to pay for the hundreds of billions of dollars of
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Speaker 2: investment in generation, transmission and storage. But Barry simply ignores
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Speaker 2: that reality.
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Speaker 7: So what is Smith's truth that Australia must have nuclear power?
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Speaker 7: All of which had one hundred and eighty six of
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Speaker 7: maca's listeners so unhappy they complained to the ABC, with
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Speaker 7: one objecting.
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Speaker 4: To climate change denial spreading dangerous, harmful lies.
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Speaker 7: And another protesting that.
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Speaker 9: It was clear misinformation, outrageous and dangerous and refuted by
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Speaker 9: the vast majority of renowned climate scientists.
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Speaker 7: And there might have been more angry complaints about misinformation
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Speaker 7: or lack of balance, had renewable energy advocate Simon Holmes
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Speaker 7: a Court not phoned in to challenge what Smith had
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Speaker 7: been saying on renewables and on nuclear.
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Speaker 10: But a couple of things that Dick hasn't put out there,
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Speaker 10: cost and time from a standing start that we're in
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Speaker 10: right now, it's going to take us about twenty years
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Speaker 10: to get that first nuclear killer what ouring and it's
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Speaker 10: going to cost us about two hundred and fifty dollars
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Speaker 10: in mangle what our when we can generate power right now?
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Speaker 11: So less than one.
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Speaker 7: Hundred three weeks on from that exchange, in a remarkably
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Speaker 7: quick decision, the ABAC Onwardsman has delivered its findings.
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Speaker 2: Well, hanims a Court clearly is wrong, but Barry doesn't
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Speaker 2: correct him because Barry's not interested in facts.
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Speaker 1: And truth in the media.
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Speaker 2: His game is ideological and he plays at all at
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Speaker 2: your expense. You see, do buy went nuclear recently building
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Speaker 2: a major nuclear plant from scratch within a decade, and
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Speaker 2: there are faster alternatives, including small modular reactors on the
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Speaker 2: way homes of Court and by extension, Barry is also
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Speaker 2: far from factual on the cost.
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Speaker 1: The only reason he can talk about one hundred dollars.
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Speaker 2: A megawatt hour as a cost with our renewable system
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Speaker 2: now is because it's backed up.
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Speaker 1: By coal fired power.
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Speaker 2: If they had to back up their renewables with the
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Speaker 2: batteries or firming, their cost would be prohibitive. But not
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Speaker 2: only does Barri and the ABC not want to know
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Speaker 2: about these practicalities, they don't want the public to know either.
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Speaker 2: Nor does the ABC or Barry mention how most developed
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Speaker 2: countries are expanding nuclear power, and even the United Nations
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Speaker 2: Climate Agenda is committed to tripling the amount of nuclear energy.
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Speaker 1: They must all be wrong, according to Barry.
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Speaker 2: If he's right, and France and Finland, in South Korea
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Speaker 2: and the United States, Canada, Japan and all the others
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Speaker 2: are wrong, then perhaps Barry could point to one country
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Speaker 2: that's trying to adopt a renewables plus storage model, one
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Speaker 2: country even trying to do what Australia is trying to do. No,
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Speaker 2: they can't. You won't find such a country. But you
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Speaker 2: won't hear about any of this from the ABC. It's
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Speaker 2: only interested in propaganda. Barry is retiring after next week's
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Speaker 2: final program, and surprise surprise, the ABC has appointed another activist,
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Speaker 2: leftist journalist to replace him. Because as you know, it's
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Speaker 2: not our ABC and it's not your ABC, it's their ABC.
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Speaker 2: Let's catch up with events in Canberra today and cross
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Speaker 2: down to Parliament House and speak with Liberal Senator for
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Dave Shama.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dave.
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Speaker 2: I want to first ask about the topic that let
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Speaker 2: off in question time, and that is the cost of
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Speaker 2: living crisis in this country and the statistics that show
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Speaker 2: that we've been in a per capita recession now for
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Speaker 2: six quarters. For most of the duration of this government,
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Speaker 2: our personal household incomes have been going backwards. We don't
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Speaker 2: seem to hear any action from the government to address this.
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Speaker 12: No, we don't, Chris, and I mean, this is the
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Speaker 12: longest economic contraction going back I think to nineteen fifty.
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Speaker 12: It's longer in duration than the eighty nine to ninety recession.
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Speaker 12: It's longer than in duration than the eighty two eighty
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Speaker 12: three recession. As you said, you know, per capita growth
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Speaker 12: has gone backwards for six consecutive quarters, and if you
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Speaker 12: look at real household disposable income, which is a measure
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Speaker 12: of after you paid taxes and what you've got left
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Speaker 12: over afterwards in the taking account the cost of inflation.
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Speaker 12: That's gone back almost eight percent since this government came
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Speaker 12: to off and across the OECD that figures increased. Australia
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Speaker 12: is almost unique amongst advanced economies in how far our
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Speaker 12: living standards are for and under the Albanezi government.
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Speaker 2: It's just extraordinary. It's just extraordinary, and no wonder people
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Speaker 2: are feeling it tough. We don't have to be told,
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Speaker 2: but the statistics certainly bear that out.
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you.
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Speaker 2: About the social media ban for kids under sixteen years
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Speaker 2: of age. There's some resistance to this within your own party.
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Speaker 2: Alex Antika, your fellow senator, was on the program last
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Speaker 2: night and had this to say.
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Speaker 1: I don't support it.
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Speaker 13: I do think the words banned media should ever be
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Speaker 13: in a sentence together. And look, I understand, I think
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Speaker 13: this is genuinely coming from a good place. You know
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Speaker 13: the reasons for the coalition backing these laws, but look,
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Speaker 13: I'm concerned about a whole range of issues.
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Speaker 2: So he's going to cross the floor and oppose these laws.
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Speaker 2: A couple of other coalition colleagues might do the same.
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Speaker 1: How divisive is this within your own party?
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Speaker 12: I don't think it's particularly divisive. I would say there's
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Speaker 12: a range of opinions done. I respect the right of
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Speaker 12: my colleagues and the Liberal Party, you are allowed to
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Speaker 12: have a different opinion in a different view.
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Speaker 1: It's not like the Labor Party. I would say that.
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Speaker 12: I mean, on this look, I approach this with reluctance
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Speaker 12: and some skepticism because whenever the government is seeking to
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Speaker 12: regulate the private lives of individuals, I want to know
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Speaker 12: what is the business case, if you like. But having
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Speaker 12: read Jonathan Hates the Anxious Generation, having heard from an
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Speaker 12: number of people who are involved, I think the evidence
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Speaker 12: is there's very little in the way of benefit by
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Speaker 12: having children under sixteen on with their own accounts on
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Speaker 12: social media platforms Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, and quite a lot
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Speaker 12: of evidence of harm. Doesn't harmen all children by any stretch,
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Speaker 12: but it harms a significant number, and that can be
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Speaker 12: from the catastrophic people taking their own lives to the
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Speaker 12: more prosaic. You know, people are being losing friends, people
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Speaker 12: being socially isolated, people having addiction, problems or inability to
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Speaker 12: hold their attention. And I think it's not wrong of
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Speaker 12: a conservative political party, which is what we are, to
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Speaker 12: seek to protect children from harm. This isn't about infringing
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Speaker 12: the freedoms of fully consenting, fully formed adults, which the
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Speaker 12: Misinformation Bill was about. This is about protecting children from
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Speaker 12: harm before they have a level of maturity to deal
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Speaker 12: with some of the dilemmas that social media throws up.
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma, thanks for joining us so I appreciate it,
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Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. They're on the social media ban
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Speaker 2: for children that we're going through Parliament very soon. Now
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Speaker 2: I want to go to the US and there's big
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Speaker 2: news out of there overnight with the Special prosecutor dropping
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Speaker 2: the election interference case against Donald Trump for allegedly seeking
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Speaker 2: to overturn, of course, the twenty twenty election. As I
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Speaker 2: said to Christen Tate, it's a hell of a relief
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Speaker 2: for the incoming president.
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Speaker 9: Well, this is also a relief to the American people
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Speaker 9: who are so tired of our politicized justice system. This
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Speaker 9: marks the end of the federal prosecutions against Trump. We
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Speaker 9: still have those two remaining cases.
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Speaker 14: In Georgia and New York.
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Speaker 9: But I suspect those aren't really going to go in
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Speaker 9: where and this law fair by the Democrats was just
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Speaker 9: a big failure. It backfired big time, Chris, because the
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Speaker 9: American public.
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Speaker 14: Saw it for what it was. They saw that it
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Speaker 14: was completely politicized.
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Speaker 9: I mean, he's hacks in charge, weren't even trying to
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Speaker 9: hide the.
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Speaker 14: Fact that it was politicized. So this is a big
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Speaker 14: day for justice and the rule of law.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bit more to play out, isn't there.
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Speaker 2: There's a sentencing due from one of those New York charges.
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Speaker 2: But as you say, all heading in the one direction,
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Speaker 2: and let's hope it's the end of a law fare,
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Speaker 2: if you like. Because of course the new administration. We'll
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Speaker 2: see what the Trump administration does. He's putting his cabinet
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Speaker 2: together now. Matt Gates, who was going to be in
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Speaker 2: line for the attorney general's job, he's pulled out after
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Speaker 2: scandals were resurrected in his past. But also Pete Hesget,
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Speaker 2: the Fox News commentator, the veteran who's set to take
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Speaker 2: on the defense task as Defense Secretary, a bit of
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Speaker 2: scandal around him too, do you At the moment, it
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Speaker 2: looks like the Trump tam is standing by him very solidly.
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Speaker 9: Pete hagg Seth I suspect will get through the confirmation hearings.
21:07
Speaker 9: If you actually look at the allegations being made against him,
21:10
Speaker 9: it's a pretty flimsy case. This is a woman who
21:13
Speaker 9: met him at a conference a number of years ago.
21:16
Speaker 9: She claims that he raped her sexually assaulted her, but
21:20
Speaker 9: there's no evidence to back that up, especially because witnesses
21:23
Speaker 9: who were there saw her.
21:25
Speaker 14: Holding his arm and walking him to his hotel room.
21:27
Speaker 9: She seemed completely fine, and her husband and children were
21:31
Speaker 9: staying in the same hotel as she was, and she
21:33
Speaker 9: wasn't answering her husband's calls.
21:34
Speaker 14: Anyways, if you take a closer look at.
21:36
Speaker 9: The facts, it seems that perhaps this is a flimsy
21:40
Speaker 9: case with very few details backing it up.
21:43
Speaker 14: So although the liberal press may try to blow.
21:45
Speaker 9: This into some big scandal, I don't believe that it's
21:49
Speaker 9: going to ruin the Pete Hagg Seth nomination. I do
21:54
Speaker 9: think RFKJ Bobby Junior will be a heavier lift try
21:58
Speaker 9: to get him through because there are a lot of
22:00
Speaker 9: Republicans who have questions about him, as well as Democrats.
22:04
Speaker 14: Republicans don't like the fact that he's pro abortion.
22:07
Speaker 9: And then of course the Democrats don't like him because
22:09
Speaker 9: he backed Donald Trump. But I think that Pete had
22:12
Speaker 9: Seth will get confirmed.
22:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, more controversy to get through there. Now.
22:16
Speaker 2: Former Democrat President Bill Clinton has given an interview. He
22:20
Speaker 2: says he wasn't really surprised by the election result.
22:22
Speaker 1: He would say that, wouldn't he.
22:24
Speaker 2: But He's also had this to say about Trump's choices
22:28
Speaker 2: for his cabinet.
22:29
Speaker 8: He's interested in people who are loyal to him one
22:33
Speaker 8: percent of the time, no matter what the issue, no
22:35
Speaker 8: matter what the facts, no matter who gets hurt.
22:38
Speaker 1: He wants people who just say yes, yeah.
22:43
Speaker 2: I don't know whether this washes christin And when you
22:46
Speaker 2: look at the choice for vice president is a bloke JD. Vans,
22:50
Speaker 2: who was once hyper critical of Donald Trump, he's brought
22:53
Speaker 2: him on board. Of course, you want your cabinet to
22:55
Speaker 2: be loyal, but it hardly looks like a bunch of
22:58
Speaker 2: yes men, especially when you've got the one of the
23:00
Speaker 2: richest men in the world, the richest man in the world,
23:02
Speaker 2: Elon Musk involved as well.
23:04
Speaker 1: Obviously, Trump wants.
23:05
Speaker 2: People who can have got some strengths and runs on
23:08
Speaker 2: the board and can make some strong decisions.
23:11
Speaker 9: Well, Bill Clinton's correct that Trump is looking for loyalty,
23:14
Speaker 9: of course, because we saw on the first term what
23:16
Speaker 9: happens when you surround yourself with people who aren't loyal
23:19
Speaker 9: to you.
23:19
Speaker 14: Trump had all of these.
23:21
Speaker 9: People around him who were constantly trying to undermine him.
23:24
Speaker 9: There were articles in large outlets like the Washington Post
23:27
Speaker 9: in the New York Times written by anonymous people high
23:30
Speaker 9: up in the government telling the American public that they
23:33
Speaker 9: were working actively to undermine the sitting president of the
23:36
Speaker 9: United States from within the actual government. So, yes, Trump
23:40
Speaker 9: needs people who are loyal to him. Now, that doesn't
23:42
Speaker 9: mean they have to be yes men, of course, or
23:44
Speaker 9: that they have to agree with Trump on everything, but
23:47
Speaker 9: he does need loyalty.
23:48
Speaker 14: And Bindon's right about that.
23:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
23:51
Speaker 2: But have they look like a bunch of yes man
23:53
Speaker 2: we will say now when it comes to Trump and policies.
23:56
Speaker 2: He's threatening China now to block the entry of fentanyl
24:01
Speaker 2: drugs into the US, saying that they'll cap an additional.
24:05
Speaker 1: Tariff of ten percent until they stop. Is this going
24:08
Speaker 1: to work?
24:10
Speaker 9: Well, I'm not sure that these tariffs will ever be implemented,
24:14
Speaker 9: but the threat of them could go a long way
24:16
Speaker 9: to solving the problems facing this country today. We have
24:20
Speaker 9: about seventy five thousand fentinyl overdose deaths per year in
24:24
Speaker 9: this country. A lot of that fental is being created
24:27
Speaker 9: in China and then coming across the border.
24:29
Speaker 14: Something needs to be done.
24:31
Speaker 1: Now.
24:32
Speaker 2: It's almost Thanksgiving in the US. You'll be getting ready
24:35
Speaker 2: with your pumpkin pies and whatnot. In one little ceremony tradition,
24:40
Speaker 2: I suppose that the White House is for the President
24:43
Speaker 2: to pardon a turkey or two.
24:46
Speaker 1: Joe Biden for this fun little event. He still needed
24:49
Speaker 1: an auto que and he's still stuffed it up.
24:52
Speaker 2: He we look, according to experts, which weighs forty one pounds.
24:57
Speaker 1: I lovedeed, hot dish and tat chide and cross country skis.
25:06
Speaker 1: You know, dreams to see. But the real dream he
25:10
Speaker 1: has to see the northern life. Time told poor all,
25:14
Speaker 1: Joe Christen. Bring on the inauguration, I say.
25:17
Speaker 9: If we need to end this farce of a presidency already,
25:21
Speaker 9: and the media and the Democrats are still out there
25:23
Speaker 9: telling us that he's mentally fit and he's totally able
25:26
Speaker 9: to do this job.
25:27
Speaker 14: You know, Chris, I feel kind of bad for him
25:29
Speaker 14: at this point. They're just rolling him out there for
25:32
Speaker 14: events like this. We don't know who's in charge.
25:35
Speaker 9: It's sad, sad for the country, sad for Joe Biden,
25:38
Speaker 9: and also, as we've talked about, very scary because we
25:42
Speaker 9: don't know who's in charge of this country.
25:44
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, I said, nobody, all the bureaucrats, I suppose.
25:47
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Kristen. We'll catch you next week.
25:49
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving.
25:51
Speaker 14: Thank you very much, Chris, talk to you next week.
25:55
Speaker 2: Indeed, Thanksgiving this Thursday, we'll be on and Old in
25:58
Speaker 2: the US.
25:59
Speaker 1: A great celebration for them.
26:01
Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break, you're going to catch
26:02
Speaker 2: up with Matt Cunningham. He's got a great new documentary
26:05
Speaker 2: on Cyclone Tracy fifty years on.
26:08
Speaker 1: Plus I'm going to catch up with Tim Blair.
26:09
Speaker 2: You won't believe how much the Biden administration has spent
26:13
Speaker 2: on just eight electric vehicle charging stations. Now, this year
26:22
Speaker 2: marks the fifty year anniversary since Cyclone Tracy devastated Darwin,
26:27
Speaker 2: killing sixty six people. Of course, on Christmas Day in
26:31
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four, our own Matt Cunningham has put together
26:34
Speaker 2: a special commemorative documentary marking the anniversary.
26:37
Speaker 1: You can watch it here.
26:38
Speaker 2: Tomorrow night at eight o'clock Eastern daylight Saving time.
26:41
Speaker 1: Here's a preview, and it's.
26:44
Speaker 15: Just that howling and the darkness and feeling that when
26:50
Speaker 15: you open that door, should you live through this, whether
26:53
Speaker 15: you're the only ones left. Hearing the stories of people
26:56
Speaker 15: that had lost their houses, that were out there in
26:59
Speaker 15: amongst and were injured or didn't live the night, that
27:04
Speaker 15: terrifies me. You know, it terrifies me now and it
27:07
Speaker 15: did mine. I feel over time now is a survivor's
27:11
Speaker 15: guild because I'm like this for you know, forty eight
27:16
Speaker 15: Christmases is what I'm like at this time.
27:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible stuff.
27:23
Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham joins me alive from Darwin now, good to
27:25
Speaker 2: talk to you, Matt.
27:26
Speaker 1: Look at that beautiful city there.
27:28
Speaker 2: Behind you, with a billion dollar Parliament House and all
27:30
Speaker 2: the rest of it.
27:32
Speaker 1: It's just a.
27:32
Speaker 2: Totally different landscape to what was there fifty years ago.
27:37
Speaker 2: I mean, it was obviously a much smaller town at
27:40
Speaker 2: the time, but it was literally just blown.
27:42
Speaker 1: Away, wasn't it. The devastation was incredible.
27:47
Speaker 16: It's hard to believe that the city was even rebuilt
27:50
Speaker 16: as it was, and that's part of the story that
27:52
Speaker 16: we're telling tomorrow night.
27:54
Speaker 1: Chris. Yeah, you're right.
27:55
Speaker 16: Forty seven thousand people roughly lived in Darwin back in
27:58
Speaker 16: nineteen seventy four when Slone Tracy made a direct hit
28:02
Speaker 16: on the city on Christmas morning. An interesting fact, Chris,
28:06
Speaker 16: at the time it was the smallest cyclone recorded on record.
28:10
Speaker 16: The wind gusts of Cyclone Tracy I only stretched for
28:13
Speaker 16: about forty eight kilometers from its core, but it packed
28:18
Speaker 16: a fierce punch.
28:18
Speaker 1: We saw wins.
28:20
Speaker 16: The official recording of those winds was at two hundred
28:23
Speaker 16: and seventeen kilometers per hour, but that was the point
28:26
Speaker 16: at which the official recording instruments at day On Airport
28:29
Speaker 16: actually malfunctioned and were destroyed, So the wind speeds were
28:34
Speaker 16: actually probably much higher. But it did an incredible amount
28:38
Speaker 16: of damage. Almost eighty percent of the buildings across Darwin
28:41
Speaker 16: destroyed by Cyclone Tracy, more than twenty five thousand people
28:45
Speaker 16: left homeless, and it prompted the biggest peacetime evacuation we've
28:48
Speaker 16: ever seen in this country.
28:50
Speaker 2: Mate, you're too young to remember it, but I was
28:52
Speaker 2: a twelve year old having Christmas in Adelaide and the
28:55
Speaker 2: news was so slow coming out of dar and if
28:58
Speaker 2: this happened tomorrow, you'd be in the middle of it,
29:00
Speaker 2: broadcasting live and we'd all see it on social media.
29:03
Speaker 1: But because the communications.
29:04
Speaker 2: Were down and no one knew what was going on,
29:07
Speaker 2: the rest of the country on Christmas night was starting
29:09
Speaker 2: to get information and there are appeals for people to.
29:12
Speaker 1: Do what they could to help as though were evacuating people.
29:14
Speaker 1: It was an incredible time.
29:16
Speaker 2: But you've spoken to so many people who were scarred
29:18
Speaker 2: by it and they're still very emotional about it to
29:21
Speaker 2: the day, to this day.
29:25
Speaker 16: Well, it's interesting the point you makee Chris, because perhaps
29:27
Speaker 16: the most emotional interview we did was with a bloke
29:31
Speaker 16: by the name of Alan Haynes. He'd been at midnight
29:33
Speaker 16: Mass here in Darwin. Midnight Mass, believe it or not,
29:36
Speaker 16: went ahead as Cyclone Tracy was bearing down on the city.
29:40
Speaker 16: But they soon realized they were going to have to
29:42
Speaker 16: get out of their quick smart so he and his
29:44
Speaker 16: sister he tried to get home, couldn't make it home.
29:46
Speaker 16: He stayed at the nurses quarters at the hospital with
29:49
Speaker 16: his sister. But the point you make about communication was
29:53
Speaker 16: really relevant to him and his family because his mother.
29:56
Speaker 16: His parents were living in Adelaide and it was a
29:59
Speaker 16: week before his mother was able to find out that
30:04
Speaker 16: her son and daughter were actually alive, and he recounts
30:09
Speaker 16: the story of how she actually wrote them a letter
30:12
Speaker 16: basically thinking that there was every chance that they weren't
30:14
Speaker 16: alive and just hoping and praying that they would be
30:18
Speaker 16: safe and well, and thank god they were. And that
30:20
Speaker 16: was a pretty common story because communication out of Darwin.
30:23
Speaker 16: As the point you make, you know, there was almost
30:26
Speaker 16: none people queuing at phone booths eventually at the Darwin
30:29
Speaker 16: High School for a two minutes phone call just to
30:32
Speaker 16: try and let whoever they could know at whatever hour
30:34
Speaker 16: of the day that they were still here.
30:36
Speaker 2: Incredible stuff, Matt, look forward to it. Thanks for joining us,
30:39
Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham there live from Darwen and that's on tomorrow
30:42
Speaker 2: night cyclone Tracy fifty years on eight o'clock Australian Eastern
30:46
Speaker 2: daylight saving time here on Sky News. Let's catch up
30:48
Speaker 2: now with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph joins us
30:51
Speaker 2: from the Wimra region in Victoria.
30:53
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Tim, I got well.
30:57
Speaker 1: You and I often talk about electric vehicles. You've read
31:00
Speaker 1: about it again this week.
31:01
Speaker 2: The statistics in Australia, and I've got to say around
31:05
Speaker 2: the rest of the world, I've got to be pretty
31:06
Speaker 2: worrying for the car companies who have tipped so much
31:09
Speaker 2: into producing evs because people are stopped buying them.
31:14
Speaker 17: As I mentioned in the article, you know the company
31:17
Speaker 17: back in the day, Laland who bet big on the
31:19
Speaker 17: P seventy six, and you know people gave it a
31:22
Speaker 17: bit of a look and then walked away. But car
31:25
Speaker 17: companies globally have put a lot more of an investment. Colossal,
31:29
Speaker 17: have bet the entire business on EV's being the next thing.
31:33
Speaker 17: And now people are stopping, they're turning away, They're not
31:36
Speaker 17: buying them so much anymore.
31:37
Speaker 1: Yeah. P. Seventy six. There's another another flashback, isn't there?
31:42
Speaker 1: It was love.
31:43
Speaker 2: I love the align about that in the column too,
31:46
Speaker 2: About the big trunk.
31:47
Speaker 1: I think Kardashian.
31:49
Speaker 2: Sized trunk on the P seventy six is Timblair now.
31:53
Speaker 2: But it's not just the car companies. Of course, Governments
31:55
Speaker 2: are investing so much in this. I've got to show
31:58
Speaker 2: you this exchange between with the Boaden administration's Energy secretary,
32:04
Speaker 2: paid boodage Age and about a seven billion dollar program
32:09
Speaker 2: for ev charges around America.
32:11
Speaker 1: Just well, listen to how many charges they've come up with.
32:15
Speaker 11: The Federal Highway Administration says only seven or eight charging
32:18
Speaker 11: stations have been produced with a seven and a half
32:20
Speaker 11: billion investment that taxpayers made back in twenty twenty one.
32:24
Speaker 11: Why isn't that happening more quickly?
32:26
Speaker 18: So the present's goal is to have half a million
32:28
Speaker 18: chargers up by the end of this decade. Now, in
32:30
Speaker 18: order to do a charger, it's more than just plunking
32:34
Speaker 18: a small device into the ground.
32:35
Speaker 1: There's utility work.
32:36
Speaker 18: And this is also really a new category of federal investment.
32:40
Speaker 18: But we've been working with each of the fifty states.
32:43
Speaker 18: Every one of them is getting formula dollars to do
32:45
Speaker 18: this work, engaging them in the first handful. Again, by
32:48
Speaker 18: twenty thirty five hundred thousand chargers and the very first
32:52
Speaker 18: handful of chargers are now already being physically built.
32:56
Speaker 15: There.
32:56
Speaker 2: He is paid boodage as it goes, Transport Secretary, not Energy.
32:59
Speaker 2: This is just astounding, isn't a tym government spending billions
33:03
Speaker 2: and talking about promises off into the ether but actually
33:06
Speaker 2: delivering next to nothing.
33:07
Speaker 17: Now, this is the great difference as well, Chris, about
33:11
Speaker 17: how we transition from horse and cart to petrol engine
33:14
Speaker 17: vehicles and now we're meant to be transitioning from petrol
33:17
Speaker 17: vehicles to evs. Back in the day, there was no
33:20
Speaker 17: huge government investment to move us off of horses. Nothing.
33:24
Speaker 17: It was just you know, if you did get a
33:26
Speaker 17: vehicle or you know, a car out in the middle
33:27
Speaker 17: of nowhere in Australia for example, you know, it didn't
33:29
Speaker 17: really matter if you don't have a petal station, go
33:31
Speaker 17: to the hardware shop and get some care. You can
33:33
Speaker 17: still get the thing running. There were different ways you
33:35
Speaker 17: could move ahead without the government investing. And as we've
33:38
Speaker 17: just seen with that seven billion dollars US and they've
33:43
Speaker 17: gone one charger per billion out of that, that's just
33:46
Speaker 17: so classic.
33:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be driven by the technology, driven
33:50
Speaker 2: by the innovation. You can't fake this stuff with government money.
33:54
Speaker 2: That's the point where made I just want to go
33:55
Speaker 2: to another issue to get your input on this too.
33:58
Speaker 2: We've talked about a number of times on this pro
34:00
Speaker 2: that is the ridiculous COVID fines sent out the people
34:03
Speaker 2: for breaking curfews or going to the beach or whatever.
34:06
Speaker 2: We've been suggesting that they ought to pull those. Well
34:09
Speaker 2: we've had a victory there because the new South Wales
34:12
Speaker 2: Commissioner of Fines is now with the new South Wales
34:14
Speaker 2: Police Commissioner withdrawn all of the remaining twenty three, five
34:19
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty nine COVID nineteen penalty notices and is
34:23
Speaker 2: also going to be five and a half million dollars
34:26
Speaker 2: worth of fines that others have already paid refunded to them.
34:30
Speaker 1: So thank goodness for that.
34:31
Speaker 2: That's just a little flash of common sense, belated, but
34:35
Speaker 2: at least it's the right call.
34:36
Speaker 1: Tim, It is the right call.
34:38
Speaker 17: But you know, it's not just about the fines, is
34:40
Speaker 17: it mean? The fines are just the monetary part. So
34:43
Speaker 17: many people who will find during that horrible era, that horrible,
34:46
Speaker 17: very recent era, had never been penalties at all. They've
34:50
Speaker 17: never got anything more than maybe a minus beating fine. Someddenly,
34:53
Speaker 17: they're hit with penalty notices for being bad citizens. So
34:56
Speaker 17: there's a trauma category on top of the financial aspect,
35:00
Speaker 17: which I don't think refunds are going to match up to.
35:02
Speaker 17: I think governments across Australia, especially the labor governments who
35:07
Speaker 17: were in charge during COVID. I think they've got a
35:09
Speaker 17: lot to apologize for it as well. The coalition governments
35:13
Speaker 17: in charge.
35:13
Speaker 2: In New South wal Absolutely, they should all apologize. Thanks
35:16
Speaker 2: for joining us, Tim, I appreciate it. Tim Blair there,
35:18
Speaker 2: you can read his stuff from the Daily Telegraph. They
35:19
Speaker 2: should apologize and there should be a National Royal Commission
35:23
Speaker 2: to delve into this stuff. They're all trying to skate
35:26
Speaker 2: away and pretend they didn't do this to us. They
35:29
Speaker 2: need to apologize and have that Royal commission. Now will
35:31
Speaker 2: take another break. On the other side, I'm going to
35:33
Speaker 2: catch up with a former foreignerster, Alexander Down to talk
35:36
Speaker 2: to him about label the Labour's nonsensical position on the
35:40
Speaker 2: International Criminal Court and its shocking decision about this arrest
35:44
Speaker 2: a warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu. Last night I talked again
35:52
Speaker 2: about anti Semitism and the failure of the Prime Minister.
35:54
Speaker 1: To do anything about it.
35:55
Speaker 2: And then in the hours afterwards we saw those disturbing
35:58
Speaker 2: events at Corefield in Melbourne with Jewish speakers headlining an
36:02
Speaker 2: event at a synagogue. Pro Palestinian protesters were targeting it. Yeah,
36:07
Speaker 2: a protest outside of synagogue. Now that was disturbing and
36:11
Speaker 2: intimidating and typical of what we've seen six since October
36:15
Speaker 2: the seventh last year. Dozens of people from the Jewish
36:18
Speaker 2: community turned out to reclaim their place, if you like,
36:22
Speaker 2: show solidarity against the protest, which was then officially called off.
36:26
Speaker 2: Only a few pro Palestinian protesters turned up, and there
36:29
Speaker 2: were some ugly scenes and won arrest, but overall, in
36:33
Speaker 2: the main it was a heartening situation of the Jewish
36:35
Speaker 2: community displaying its pride and warding off a protest that
36:39
Speaker 2: never should have been contemplated in the first place. The
36:43
Speaker 2: key question remains, though, what is Anthony Alban is he
36:46
Speaker 2: doing about this stuff? He's just a spectator at best,
36:50
Speaker 2: and at worst he's fanning the flames with his ambivalence
36:53
Speaker 2: towards Israel. He still hasn't condemned the International Criminal Court
36:58
Speaker 2: warrants against the Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his
37:02
Speaker 2: former Defense minister Joav Galat, even though the US President
37:06
Speaker 2: Joe Biden has condemned.
37:08
Speaker 1: The court's action.
37:10
Speaker 2: All we have from the Albanezi government is a parad
37:12
Speaker 2: approval from the foreign Minister.
37:16
Speaker 19: I have made clear many times in this place that
37:18
Speaker 19: all parties to the conflict must comply with international law,
37:22
Speaker 19: and I again say we respect the independence of the
37:25
Speaker 19: International Criminal Court and its important role in upholding international law.
37:31
Speaker 1: This is a terrible position.
37:32
Speaker 2: This is an anti Israel position, and in a funny way,
37:35
Speaker 2: it's also a position against the International Criminal Court because
37:39
Speaker 2: it's broken its own rules and any government that cares
37:42
Speaker 2: for the institution ought.
37:44
Speaker 1: To be calling it out.
37:45
Speaker 2: Apart from the charges against Netnyaho being absurd, Israel is
37:50
Speaker 2: actually defending itself against the Islamist terrorists of Hamas and Hezbala,
37:55
Speaker 2: who are intent on killing civilians and continue to attack
37:59
Speaker 2: Israel well. The ICC even tries to frame Netnahu for
38:03
Speaker 2: starving people in Gaza, when it's only Israel that's facilitated
38:08
Speaker 2: aid and supplies into Gaza, and there are credible claims
38:11
Speaker 2: that Humas often has common did that aid and food.
38:16
Speaker 2: The lead prosecutor of the ICC is Karim Khan, a
38:19
Speaker 2: British Muslim who's faced sexual misconduct allegations himself, which he denies.
38:26
Speaker 2: But in legal terms, the charges are a nonsense. The
38:29
Speaker 2: ICC only has jurisdiction over member states, and Israel is
38:34
Speaker 2: not a member. It's supposed to defer to existing democratic
38:38
Speaker 2: and judicial institution institutions, and it hasn't done so. And
38:44
Speaker 2: action can only be taken by states. In Palestine much
38:47
Speaker 2: less Gaza is not a state, yet the ICC pretends
38:51
Speaker 2: it is.
38:53
Speaker 20: The Court is undermining the rule of law, the integrity
38:57
Speaker 20: of the United Nations, and the Court's credibility in fact
39:00
Speaker 20: is shot. And the best thing that Australia could do
39:03
Speaker 20: would be to pull out.
39:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Professor Rose on this program last night.
39:07
Speaker 2: This is an abomination. It's exactly why Australia was wary
39:11
Speaker 2: about joining the Court twenty years ago under the Howard government.
39:15
Speaker 2: Australia should withdraw from the court now and have nothing
39:18
Speaker 2: to do with it. Anthony Albanese needs to stand up
39:21
Speaker 2: and explain his position. Let's now go to form a
39:27
Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Alexander Downer joining us live from London. He
39:31
Speaker 2: was the Foreign Minister when Australia joined the International Criminal Court.
39:35
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Alexander. Do you now regret that
39:38
Speaker 2: decision when you see this action taken against Benjamin nettin
39:41
Speaker 2: Yahoo and Joev Gallant.
39:45
Speaker 21: I think, to be fair, I do regret the decision,
39:48
Speaker 21: although the decision was made in goodwill and on the
39:51
Speaker 21: basis of the Rome Conference which led to the Rome Statute,
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Speaker 21: That is that there was an absolute undertaking if we
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Speaker 21: were to set up a court, an international court of
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Speaker 21: this kind, the principle that you've alluded to, known as complementarity,
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Speaker 21: that is, if the domestic political and legal system permitted
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Speaker 21: any prosecutions of war crimes domestically, that should take precedence.
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Speaker 21: The International Criminal Court was only going to cut was
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Speaker 21: meant only to come into play if domestic remedies didn't exist,
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Speaker 21: so you know, dictators without court systems and so on,
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Speaker 21: or at least independent court systems. It was not meant
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Speaker 21: to apply to a liberal democracy with a fully function
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Speaker 21: and entirely independent legal system like Israel. So this decision
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Speaker 21: by the Court now to charge the Israeli Prime Minister
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Speaker 21: and former Defense minister constitutes the politicization of the International
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Speaker 21: Criminal Court, and it leads me to a rather sad conclusion,
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Speaker 21: which is the only courts that we can rely on
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Speaker 21: as Australians are our own courts. International courts established of
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Speaker 21: all sorts of different values and countries and cultures will
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Speaker 21: never and should never replace our own legal system. So
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Speaker 21: never again would I have gone down the path of
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Speaker 21: getting into something like the International Criminal Court.
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Speaker 2: Well, as you say, those rules and those guarantees were
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Speaker 2: in place, it was not supposed to operate like this.
41:39
Speaker 2: Now it is operating in a political way. Do you
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Speaker 2: believe it's beyond approach then, and Australia should commence proceedings
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Speaker 2: to withdraw from the Rome Statute.
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Speaker 21: I think we should get together with other like minded
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Speaker 21: countries and there are I mean, obviously the current Australian
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Speaker 21: government is much in favor of the Court, and it's
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Speaker 21: clear because they don't have the political courage. They have
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Speaker 21: no political courage. By the way, they don't have the
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Speaker 21: political courage to tell us all what they really think,
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Speaker 21: which is that they would arrest net and Yahoo if
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Speaker 21: he visited Australia. Which you arrest is surely he won't
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Speaker 21: for as long as Laborer is in office. But I
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Speaker 21: think we should get together with a group of like
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Speaker 21: minded countries and sit down with the leadership of the
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Speaker 21: International Criminal Court and say that we have reached a
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Speaker 21: fork in the road with the institution and unless there
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Speaker 21: can be a new provision inserted into the statute which
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Speaker 21: would assert even more decisively the principle of complementarity, then
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Speaker 21: we should withdraw. We will withdraw all together from the Court.
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Speaker 21: I mean the Trump administration when they come in to office,
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Speaker 21: will almost certainly introduce the whole series of sanctions against
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Speaker 21: the judges and the prosecutor another senior officials in the court.
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Speaker 21: And if that happens, it will absolutely cripple the court.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, those sanctions are already been flagged. Thanks for
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Speaker 2: joining us, Alexander, I appreciate it. Alexander Downer there, who
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Speaker 2: was Foreign Minister when Australia joined the diplomatic movement for
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Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court, now saying he regrets doing that
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Speaker 2: and that Australia should either demand the court reforms in
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Speaker 2: the way that he's just outlined.
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Speaker 1: Or Australia should withdraw. Now we're going to go to
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Speaker 1: a break.
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Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll catch up with Susio brien
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Speaker 2: and Steven Senatiempo. We'll talk about the cost of living
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Speaker 2: crisis in this country and also gingerbread men.
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Speaker 1: They have been attacked by the woke agenda.
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Speaker 2: Let's catch up with Suzio O'Brien from The Herald Some
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Speaker 2: Live from Melbourne and Steven Senna Tempe Radio.
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Speaker 1: We'll see Breakfast hosts live from camp. We're good to
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Speaker 1: speak to both of you again.
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Speaker 2: What a wonderful, sophisticated modern country we are, Susie that
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Speaker 2: when the temperature goes above thirty four degrees suddenly we
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Speaker 2: run out of power?
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Speaker 1: What sort of madness is this? And who's to blame?
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Speaker 22: You know, you would think that the yes, I think
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Speaker 22: we have been getting hotter for some time now, that
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Speaker 22: they would be a little more prepared than they seem
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Speaker 22: to be that it has been very hot. There's been
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Speaker 22: all sorts of fun forecasts come on. It's really not
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Speaker 22: good enough for them to say, actually, we have to
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Speaker 22: let you know we think that we're not even sure
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Speaker 22: what we're going to do about this.
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Speaker 14: I mean, it's absolutely discriced.
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Speaker 1: It's a mess.
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Speaker 2: And we haven't had a decent, old fashioned heat wave
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Speaker 2: in this country for a long, long while, quite a
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Speaker 2: few mild summers. When you get one of those weeks
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Speaker 2: where it's forty degrees day after day right across South Australia,
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Speaker 2: Victoria and New South Wales, we're going to run out
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Speaker 2: of power for sure. We're going to be in deep strife.
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Speaker 1: Stephen.
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Speaker 2: This comes at a time when we're at a per capita
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Speaker 2: recession and electricity prices are going through the roof, and
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Speaker 2: yet our politicians like Chris Bowen and Anthony Albaniz.
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Speaker 1: He tried to convince us this is all going to plan.
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Speaker 23: I mean, it's extraordinary, isn't And when he asks who's
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Speaker 23: to blame? Blackout Bowen is to blame. I mean, what
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Speaker 23: do we get, what's next? I mean, this is a
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Speaker 23: crisis of biblical proportions.
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Speaker 1: Chris.
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Speaker 23: It's hot in summer and cold in winter. I've never
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Speaker 23: experienced this before in my life, and I don't know
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Speaker 23: how we're not prepared for it. Look, faitnik, you know
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Speaker 23: electricity prices are going up and we don't have enough
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Speaker 23: of it. I mean, what other Well, maybe it's a
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Speaker 23: supply and demand thing. You know, there's not enough of it,
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Speaker 23: so the price goes up. But this is just ideological
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Speaker 23: bastardry from a government that has lost its ways.
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Speaker 2: That is exactly but that is exactly it. That is
45:47
Speaker 2: exactly it. There's not enough electricity, so it costs more.
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Speaker 2: It's simple supply and demand. You can talk about all
45:52
Speaker 2: the other technology issues, but that's what it comes down to.
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Speaker 2: If we had plentiful generation it would be cheaper, absolute shambles.
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Speaker 2: And the other point is, you know he's whinging about it.
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Speaker 2: It's getting warm nows like summer. Well, your mate so much.
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Speaker 1: Starts in five days. It's not unusual to be warm
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Speaker 1: late in spring. Mate, honestly, get a grip now social media.
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Speaker 2: We've talked about the band for kids SUSI for a long.
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Speaker 1: While, the rubbers hitting the road in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: A couple of Coalition MPs, including alexandik lightly to oppose it,
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Speaker 2: but it's going to sail through Parliament. The test is
46:26
Speaker 2: going to be how to implement it and how do
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Speaker 2: you get the digital giants on board as well?
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Speaker 14: Well?
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Speaker 22: The test is how am I going to tell my
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Speaker 22: fifteen year old son that he can't be on TikTok anymore.
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Speaker 14: I mean, look, I think there are some challenges ahead.
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Speaker 22: I think we will see some teething issues with this
46:44
Speaker 22: particular piece of legislation. There's no doubt that it has
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Speaker 22: been rushed fifteen thousand submissions in twenty four hours alone.
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Speaker 14: People care a lot about this.
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Speaker 22: There's going to have to be some massaging in the
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Speaker 22: implementation and we do need to listen to some of
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Speaker 22: the experts who very giving us very good views on
47:03
Speaker 22: how to do this. I think we're united in what
47:05
Speaker 22: we need to do. The how will be a little
47:07
Speaker 22: bit harder.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the how's going to be hard.
47:09
Speaker 2: And have a look at this statement from x Or
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Speaker 2: formerly Twitter Elon Musk's baby. They say, we have serious
47:15
Speaker 2: concerns as to the lawfulness of the bill, including its
47:19
Speaker 2: compatibility with other regulations and laws, including international human rights
47:23
Speaker 2: treaties to which Australia is a signatory. I mean, honestly, Stephen,
47:28
Speaker 2: if Elon must mister free speech and sovereignty tries to
47:32
Speaker 2: use international human rights treaties to tell Australia what to do,
47:37
Speaker 2: that'll be a step too far.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps it is.
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Speaker 23: But this is just bad policy and bad legislation.
47:43
Speaker 1: Crew.
47:43
Speaker 23: So it's a bunch of politicians who understand that there
47:46
Speaker 23: is a problem. They don't know what that problem actually is,
47:48
Speaker 23: so they're doing something so it can appear they're doing something,
47:51
Speaker 23: but none of them actually understand it. Now, there is
47:54
Speaker 23: a way to fix this, and it's to give parents
47:56
Speaker 23: the actual ability to control what their kids can see
47:59
Speaker 23: online and what they can download onto their devices. Now,
48:02
Speaker 23: enterprise customers of the various platforms have that and all
48:05
Speaker 23: it's going to take is a change of regulation to
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Speaker 23: the A Triple C to allow mums and dads to
48:10
Speaker 23: have access to that too. But I've approached conservatively thirty
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Speaker 23: individual members of Parliament and senators from both sides and
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Speaker 23: tried to explain this to them, and none of them
48:19
Speaker 23: are smart enough to understand it. It's like talking to
48:21
Speaker 23: a brick wall. They just glaze over. And we need
48:24
Speaker 23: to do something. We don't care if it's the right
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Speaker 23: thing or not. We're just going to appear like we're
48:28
Speaker 23: doing something. This is as bad as the Misinformation Bill.
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Speaker 1: I think there'll be problems.
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Speaker 2: I think we all agree with the aim, but I
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Speaker 2: think the Coalition can't afford to oppose this. Just very
48:38
Speaker 2: quickly before you go, I've got to do. This is
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Speaker 2: the matter of national significance. Have a look at this
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Speaker 2: sign and woolies if you want to buy a gingerbread man,
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Speaker 2: apart from not being able to spend the spelled gingerbread,
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Speaker 2: they're gingerbread people.
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Speaker 1: Susie is our men? Are we extinct? You're not allowed
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Speaker 1: to mention that that men don't exist anymore?
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Speaker 14: Well, you know, I don't have a we're.
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Speaker 22: Caring about people's gender identity or pronouns. But you know what,
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Speaker 22: these aren't people.
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Speaker 14: These are biscuits. These are ginger and bread.
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Speaker 22: They're not men, they're not women, they're not anything.
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Speaker 14: So I got to say gingerbread.
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Speaker 22: I think we're not going to you know, no one's
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Speaker 22: going to have hurt feelings if we go ahead and
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Speaker 22: hold them gingerbread look like women.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining a Susy and Steve and I appreciate
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Speaker 2: we've solved the redheads.
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Speaker 1: We're solving it now. They're just called gingerbread biscuits. I'll
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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow night. Here's Peter.