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Bailey Smith Exposed in Mirror Selfie Cheating Scandal · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Kate Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber. And coming up on
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  Speaker 1: today's show... Matt Sikowsky papped kissing a mystery woman. Bailey
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  Speaker 1: Smith exposed for being a serial dater. And why fans
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  Speaker 1: are thrilled about Saffron Barker's breakup. But first, Sophie Guedeland's
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  Speaker 1: son's 18th birthday celebrations have been marred by an alleged
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  Speaker 1: home invasion. The fitness influencer claims she was held at
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  Speaker 1: knife point and threatened with gang rape by party crashers
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  Speaker 1: who allegedly trashed her home.
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  Speaker 2: Kate, can you tell us more?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the drama kicked off just before midnight when a
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  Speaker 1: group of teenagers arrived at the party uninvited. Now, Sophie
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  Speaker 1: claimed she heard screaming on the street and went out
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  Speaker 1: and asked the group to leave. Things quickly escalated and
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  Speaker 1: Sophie alleges the group tried to, quote, jump her, but
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  Speaker 1: they got the wrong girl. Now, the teenager at the
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  Speaker 1: centre of the allegations is a 15-year-old who Sophie described
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  Speaker 1: as being five foot tall. Now, she alleges the teen
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  Speaker 1: pulled a knife on her and claimed he was on
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  Speaker 1: the phone to bikies. who were threatening to shoot up
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  Speaker 1: her house. Now, once inside the house, Sophie alleges the
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  Speaker 1: group caused extensive damage and threatened her with gang rape
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  Speaker 1: when she demanded they leave. These are some very disturbing allegations. Now,
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  Speaker 1: following the incident, Sophie asked her 500,000 followers if they
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  Speaker 1: could help her find the alleged perpetrator. Now, she shared
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  Speaker 1: a screenshot of a teenager's TikTok profile and wrote, do
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  Speaker 1: you know these guys? Adding, the light-skinned Australian dude's. She
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  Speaker 1: went on to write, police report is already well and
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  Speaker 1: truly filed and I will be pressing charges for the
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  Speaker 1: absolutely horrific vile threats on camera. The fact you were
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  Speaker 1: willing to fight a woman and then, of course, the
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  Speaker 1: extensive damage on camera. I personally think more accountability needs
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  Speaker 1: to be done than spitting on the police officers trying
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  Speaker 1: to do their job. Now, she went on to share
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  Speaker 1: a photo of the alleged damage, which appeared to be
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  Speaker 1: a broken wall-mounted panel. It's interesting because this story that
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  Speaker 1: Sophie has shared is absolutely awful.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds very traumatizing.
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  Speaker 1: And despite being the alleged victim, people's opinions are divided
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  Speaker 1: online about the way Sophie dealt with it. People were
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  Speaker 1: quick to comment saying, oh, well, was the way that
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  Speaker 1: you dealt with the situation appropriately? Did you go and
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  Speaker 1: escalate the situation by confronting the teenagers on the street? Now,
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  Speaker 1: all of this commentary resulted in Sophie deleting the original
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  Speaker 1: post that identified the alleged gate crashes. Yeah, but as
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  Speaker 1: a parent who's hosting a party, an 18th birthday, you
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  Speaker 1: should be allowed to say, hey, you're not welcome to
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  Speaker 1: come in here. You haven't been invited. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a bit unfair. I get the vibe that she knows
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  Speaker 1: the parents of these kids by putting that quote up there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely sounds loaded.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we don't actually know what happened. We're going
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  Speaker 1: by her account. We're yet to hear the teenager's account.
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  Speaker 1: This is actually under investigation by the police. New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales police confirmed the officers attended Sophie's house at around
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  Speaker 1: 11.20 on Saturday night. Following reports of trespassing and uninvited
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  Speaker 1: guests threatening occupants, a police spokesperson said the officers arrived
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  Speaker 1: and a large group quickly dispersed. It will be interesting
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  Speaker 1: to see if Sophie updates her followers with the findings
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  Speaker 1: of the investigation. I wonder if the police have advised
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  Speaker 1: her not to discuss the matter online, considering it might
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  Speaker 1: be something that goes to court. Yeah, well, she ended
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  Speaker 1: up deleting that original post that identified the alleged gatecrashers,
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  Speaker 1: so potentially. Matt Sikowsky has been papped kissing a mystery
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  Speaker 1: woman just weeks after his tell-all interview with the Daily
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  Speaker 1: Mail about his ex-wife, Tammy Hembrough. In convenient timing, the
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  Speaker 1: controversial publication just so happened to be the ones who
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  Speaker 1: got the exclusive scoop of Matt's breakfast date. So their
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  Speaker 1: paps just so happened to be positioned outside the Melbourne
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  Speaker 1: cafe that Matt and his date were dining at. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the Daily Mail's journos were even able to identify the
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  Speaker 1: mystery woman by name, despite her not being in the
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  Speaker 1: public eye. I mean, what world-class investigative journalist there. It's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. I mean, Matt Zukowski, I'm sure, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's a big deal in the influencer world, but I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't say... that his every move was being followed by paps.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly this is something that he's set up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I would put a lot of money on it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the woman in question is Charlotte Lee Harvey, and
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  Speaker 1: she works as a bridal stylist. Funnily enough, the Daily
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  Speaker 1: Mail also knew that about her. Now, both her Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and TikTok are currently set to private, but she has
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  Speaker 1: around 9.8 thousand followers on Instagram and less than 200
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty rare.
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  Speaker 1: For a micro-influencer who's got 9.8 thousand followers to have
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  Speaker 1: a private account. Perhaps she's been sharing some photos of
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  Speaker 1: her and Matt that she didn't want people to publicly
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  Speaker 1: be able to get. I think she's locked her accounts
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  Speaker 1: down recently since she started dating Matt or maybe potentially
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  Speaker 1: after her name went public in the Daily Mail.
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  Speaker 2: Now, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: She is followed by both Matt and his podcast co-host
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  Speaker 1: Anna McAvoy. And despite her Instagram being private, there is
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  Speaker 1: still a public link that you can click on. So
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  Speaker 1: it goes to a VSCO page. Now, I had no
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  Speaker 1: idea what it is, but it's kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: new age Tumblr. So you can post photos on there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's some cool thing that younger people have.
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  Speaker 1: That rings a bell. That used to be an app
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  Speaker 1: for editing photos, wasn't it? VSCO or something?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe it is.
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  Speaker 1: Called VSCO now. Look at me being a boomer and
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  Speaker 1: spelling it out. Yeah, I think it's called VSCO. Pointing
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  Speaker 1: out you were actually not a boomer.
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  Speaker 2: You are a millennial.
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  Speaker 1: I am. Now, the first photo on her VSCO is
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  Speaker 1: a picture of her and Matt with another couple in
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  Speaker 1: a photo booth. And the photo was taken on July 22nd. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we need to talk about these pap photos because as
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  Speaker 1: we've touched on, they did look very set up. It
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  Speaker 1: looked like the photographers were literally standing in close range.
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  Speaker 1: But despite how close they were, neither Matt or.
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte looked like they were aware.
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  Speaker 1: They were just going about their everyday life. Looking very
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  Speaker 1: in love because there's this photo of them After they've
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  Speaker 1: left their breakfast spot, they're strolling down the footpath hand
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  Speaker 1: in hand and they literally stop in the street. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know they probably were parting ways and have a kiss,
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  Speaker 1: but this wasn't just your regular kiss. I mean, Matt
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  Speaker 1: is very tall and Charlotte looked, I don't know, around
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  Speaker 1: average height for a female. So he had to actually
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  Speaker 1: lean down, but he leant down so dramatically and even
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  Speaker 1: lifted one leg off the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, he lifted a leg off the ground, not Charlotte.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then she ended up, I think she mimicked him
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  Speaker 1: and did the same thing. I think this is a
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  Speaker 1: massive fuck you to Tammy Hembrough because I think Matt
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  Speaker 1: must have been pretty heartbroken when the pap photos of
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  Speaker 1: her and Bailey Smith emerged. I mean, it's clear that
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  Speaker 1: Matt has a strong relationship with the Daily Mail. They're
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  Speaker 1: the ones that he did his tell-all podcast interview with.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not the first time it appears that he's
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  Speaker 1: set up pap photos because not long after his breakup
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  Speaker 1: with Tammy, he was photographed outside a cafe and And
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  Speaker 1: it was clearly a pap walk. Like at one point
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  Speaker 1: he sat in the window of the cafe, clearly in sight,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like if you saw cameras, you would go
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  Speaker 1: to the back of the cafe immediately. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: want to point out for those who aren't sort of
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  Speaker 1: in the media and don't know about this, but a
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  Speaker 1: lot of influencers or sort of D-grade celebrities, they set
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  Speaker 1: up these pap shots because they get paid for them.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll be like, hey, look, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: down here at this time and come past and they'll get,
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  Speaker 1: you know, thousand bucks. I mean, I actually don't know
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  Speaker 1: how much, couple of thousand dollars, depending on how famous
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  Speaker 1: they are. I mean, the Daily Mail were running this
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  Speaker 1: as an exclusive story. And it's interesting because in that
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  Speaker 1: interview from a couple of weeks ago, the journo was
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  Speaker 1: asking Matt like, oh, you're dating someone and talking about
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  Speaker 1: a soft launch. It was almost like they were preparing
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  Speaker 1: for this. And it appears that that soft launch actually
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  Speaker 1: came on the 20th of July. So Matt posted a
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  Speaker 1: video to TikTok of a woman's hand cutting into a
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  Speaker 1: steak with text that said, waiting to see if your
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  Speaker 1: date's steak is cooked correctly. And he captioned it, please
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  Speaker 1: don't send it back with the fingers crossed emoji and
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  Speaker 1: hashtagged it the ick dating steak night. Oh, I saw
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  Speaker 1: that video pop up and I just assumed he was
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  Speaker 1: trying to get attention because he had a TikTok that
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  Speaker 1: went viral where he posted about some date sending back
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  Speaker 1: her steak. He even discussed it on Twitter. the Daily
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  Speaker 1: Mail podcast. Well, yeah, this post was in reference to
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  Speaker 1: that viral video. And I was confused because I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: does that mean that Charlotte was the original state girl?
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  Speaker 1: Because Matt revealed he went on a second date with
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  Speaker 1: the girl who sent her state back. But I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: thinking it's a different person. I think it's a different person.
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  Speaker 1: And he's saying, oh my God, I really like this girl.
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  Speaker 1: So please don't send your state back because I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get the ick from you. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what it's saying. How do you think she feels, though,
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  Speaker 1: having that reference? Like, oh, I was on another date
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  Speaker 1: with a girl and she sent her steak back and
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  Speaker 1: now I'm soft launching you by referencing that past date.
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  Speaker 2: Would you like that if you were Charlotte?
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  Speaker 1: The way I read it is they've probably got a
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  Speaker 1: bit of an in-joke going about it. He's probably told
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  Speaker 1: her about this terrible date he went on and they've
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  Speaker 1: probably had a bit of a laugh about it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he said on the Daily Mail podcast that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: his person will have a great sense of humour and
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  Speaker 1: get his sense of humour.
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  Speaker 2: This is very him.
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  Speaker 1: True.
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  Speaker 2: To say, I am very happy to see Matt moving on.
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  Speaker 2: He looked really happy in the photos.
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  Speaker 1: And according to the Daily Mail, the new couple was
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  Speaker 1: spotted later that day enjoying oysters together at a Melbourne restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: So it seems like things are moving in a very
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  Speaker 1: positive direction. The timing of this is really interesting because
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  Speaker 1: it's officially been a year since Tammy and Matt announced
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  Speaker 1: their separation. And from a PR perspective, I think that
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  Speaker 1: he's wanted to look really respectful and as if the
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  Speaker 1: marriage is and breakup actually affected him, that he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: moving on too quick. Because otherwise, I don't think people
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  Speaker 1: would be so happy for him. But because he has
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  Speaker 1: waited and bided his time, I think people will be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: good on him. He's moved on. He's over that relationship.
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  Speaker 1: He's found someone else. Also, the fact that he aired
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  Speaker 1: his tell-all before soft-launching this relationship, it is all very strategic.
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  Speaker 1: What got him.
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  Speaker 3: Was the mirror selfies here down the bottom, where it's
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  Speaker 3: just a spot, they go to the same mirror, and
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  Speaker 3: Baz is leaning right into this.
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  Speaker 1: AFL star Bailey Smith is at the centre of another
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  Speaker 1: social media storm after a Sydney model exposed his serial
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  Speaker 1: dating habits. The Geelong midfielder who made headlines last year
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  Speaker 1: for dating Tammy Hembrough was caught taking two women on
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  Speaker 1: dates just three hours apart, wearing the same outfit and
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  Speaker 1: even snapping the same lobby selfie. So if the controversy
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  Speaker 1: exploded on TikTok when Sydney model Talia Thornton came with
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  Speaker 1: the receipts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: On Monday, Talia caused quite the stir when she shared
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  Speaker 1: a carousel of incriminating images exposing Bailey Smith for being
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  Speaker 1: a serial dater. So she captioned the photo, point of view,
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  Speaker 1: when he's planning his future with you and 400 other girls.
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  Speaker 1: She added, love bombing should be studied. Now, she was
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  Speaker 1: driven to share the post after she came across a
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  Speaker 1: TikTok of another woman hanging out with Bailey. And she
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  Speaker 1: quickly noticed that Bailey was posing with the woman in
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  Speaker 1: the same spot, wearing the same outfit on the same day.
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  Speaker 2: That she saw him. So for those.
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  Speaker 1: Playing at home, the mirror selfie was taken in an
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  Speaker 1: apartment foyer with a lift in the background.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of looked like a bit of a shady setting.
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  Speaker 1: Like it wasn't a really nice foyer.
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  Speaker 2: It looked a bit dodgy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he doesn't live in an apartment. He has
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  Speaker 1: posted a lot about, he seems to live on like
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  Speaker 1: a big ranch. Like it's a nice big property. He's
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  Speaker 1: got a $ 4 million home in Belbray, which is a
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  Speaker 1: coastal town near Geelong where he plays football. And it's
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  Speaker 1: quite interesting because the two women, that he's been caught
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  Speaker 1: out going on a date with on the same day.
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  Speaker 1: They both live in Sydney. So my theory is he
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  Speaker 1: must have an apartment in Sydney where he entertains guests
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  Speaker 1: because I can't really see him having a random apartment
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne because, I mean, unless it's some seedy apartment
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  Speaker 1: and these girls have flown over to, you know, date
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  Speaker 1: him or whatever. Based on his history with Tammy Hembrough,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen that he's up for travelling for a date.
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  Speaker 1: Like he was on the Gold Coast with Tammy. So...
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. He's obviously got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money. He might have a lot of real estate. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting because I googled, have Geelong played in Sydney recently?
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  Speaker 1: And it said that they have played the Sydney Swans,
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  Speaker 1: but they actually haven't played in Sydney this year. So
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't been when he's been over for football or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. I'm surprised he can travel so much,
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  Speaker 1: particularly with their training schedule.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it could have been when they had a bye.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes some of the clubs have certain weekends off. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but to have the time to be tuning two girls
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  Speaker 1: in Sydney at the same time. And I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like a lot more as well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Getting back to Talia.
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  Speaker 1: So when she came across these photos of Bailey with
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  Speaker 1: another woman, she immediately reached out to her. So the
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  Speaker 1: other woman is called Mia and she wrote, Hey girl,
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  Speaker 1: just wondering when this was. Now, Mia replied saying, hey, hey,
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  Speaker 1: like three weeks ago. God, wouldn't her stomach have dropped?
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  Speaker 1: Like the hey girl message is just like the one
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  Speaker 1: that you never want to receive. Now, Talia replied in capitals,
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  Speaker 1: no way, dude, and then sent Mia a photo of
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  Speaker 1: her posing with Bailey in the exact same spot. So
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  Speaker 1: Talia shared screenshots of this text message exchange in her
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  Speaker 1: TikTok post and then revealed that the two women chatted
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  Speaker 1: over the phone saying was actual humor with four skull emojis.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine that phone call. Just imagine how much your heart
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  Speaker 1: would be pumping. And it's this weird adrenaline rush where
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  Speaker 1: you're hearing things that you obviously don't want to hear.
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  Speaker 2: But then it's also so interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's pretty funny because they ended up looking at
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  Speaker 1: the lobby photos. And you know how on your phone
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  Speaker 1: you can look at the time they were taken and
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  Speaker 1: they realized that they were only taken three hours apart?
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  Speaker 2: What the hell?
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  Speaker 1: Like, how did he quickly get rid of them? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't understand. And why take the same photo
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  Speaker 1: as well? I want to know, is he the one saying,
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  Speaker 1: let's take a selfie? Like, is it driven by him?
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  Speaker 1: Is it sort of this weird, sick kick he's.
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  Speaker 2: Getting out of it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing that doesn't make sense because he
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most recognisable footballers in the country.
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  Speaker 1: He has a massive social media following. He's very much
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  Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist. I'm very surprised that he's happy to
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  Speaker 1: just jump in to all of these photos because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: women can easily leak these over social media like they've done.
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  Speaker 1: And particularly when he knows that he's just tuning a
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  Speaker 1: lot of them, he doesn't sound like he was exclusive
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  Speaker 1: with any of them. But at the same time, like,
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  Speaker 1: usually guys who do that, they have a bit of discretion.
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  Speaker 1: They don't pose in any photos. I mean, one of
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  Speaker 1: the top comments on this video is, oh, I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe an athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Would date multiple women. I am completely shocked.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of this video, as you can imagine, it
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  Speaker 1: has gone absolutely viral. It's racked up 1.3 million views
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  Speaker 1: and over 49,000 send-ons. A lot of people are having
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  Speaker 1: a laugh about the fact that Bailey Smith was an
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  Speaker 1: ambassador for Tinder. They're saying, oh my God, you've taken
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  Speaker 1: your ambassador role way too seriously. They said, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: the level of coordination this would have taken. That's a
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  Speaker 1: very good point.
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  Speaker 2: It would be really tough.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if he forgets which girl he's talking to
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  Speaker 1: via text message as well. I also wonder if, you
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  Speaker 1: know how in lobbies they often have someone working on
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  Speaker 1: the front desk? Or the doorman or something. Yeah, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? Like, hold on, wasn't
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  Speaker 1: he with someone else?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it would be that thing where it
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  Speaker 2: kind of gets entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: There were a lot of people who felt sorry for
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  Speaker 1: the girls but also thought that it was pretty iconic
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  Speaker 1: that they called the behaviour out. Someone said, ha-ha, calling
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  Speaker 1: him out on TikTok and it going viral is diabolical
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  Speaker 1: and I'm here for it. But as the post reached
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  Speaker 1: more people, and I suppose more people in the football community-
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  Speaker 1: people having a bit of fun with it. So a
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  Speaker 1: lot of men were joining in by putting up AI
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: photos of them in the same mirror selfie with Bailey Smith.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: I saw that, but I also saw a lot of
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: other women who seemed quite genuine being like, oh my God,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: me too. And sharing screenshots of their conversations and their
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: photos with him and People were like, oh, yeah, I've
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: seen him out on a date recently with this girl
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: and shared a sneaky photo they took. Like, it was
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: not looking good for Bailey.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but, I mean, he's single.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Again, we don't know what he's actually said to Talia
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: or Mia, you know, if he said that they are exclusive.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a different story.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I would say it sounded quite serious considering Talia said
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: that he was a love bomber and also that, you know,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: she was planning her life with him. I wonder how
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: this all goes leading into the brown load. Does he
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: just cut ties with all the women involved?
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Once it's September. So he then takes his mum or something?
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, be the nice guy and takes his sister or
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: his mum or whoever it is or his teammate. Now,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: following Talia's post, the other woman in the photo, Mia,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: shared receipts of her own. So she shared a screenshot
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: of text message exchanges between her and Bailey. I found
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: these fascinating. So he wrote, hi, beautiful. I just finished training.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Hectic days. And then he put KMS. I don't know
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: if that's like saying a lot of kilometers or something.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Might be better to postpone just because I feel like
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be any fun this weekend after
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: being sick as fuck. I'm literally just going to try
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: sleep most of it off and really recharge my batteries.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to be a boring host for you.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Want to take you on adventures near mine. Oh, I'm
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: actually getting PTSD from past messages of men treating you
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: like shit and like, Because it sounds like the fact
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: that he says a boring host, it sounds like she's
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: flown over to Melbourne to visit him. And then he
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: suddenly ghosted her and said, oh, you know, this whole
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: thing of like gaslighting. Oh, I don't want to not
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: be fun for you. So don't worry about it. We
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: won't catch up. This sounds like such an athlete thing. Like, oh,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I've got to recharge my batteries. I've had a hectic day.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: As you said, complete PTSD. Now, She then followed it
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: up in this TikTok by sharing the mirror selfies of
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Bailey with herself, Talia, and then another woman at this
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: same lobby.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, wait, there's a third woman now? Yeah, the same.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: It was a different day, but it was the same
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: lobby selfie. And then she wrote, hectic day, question mark,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: question mark.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Question mark.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Now, unsurprisingly, this story has been picked up by the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: mainstream media and And hours after Talia's post on TikTok,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Bailey Smith seemingly responded to the controversy with humour. So
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: he jumped on his Instagram story with an image of
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: actor Al Pacino as Tony Montana from Scarface lighting up
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: a cigar. It was accompanied by a Q & A
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: box asking for dating night recs. He also went on
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to reply to a series of submissions which included places
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: with no mirrors and pokies, while another suggested to take
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: her on a bender and see if she can handle it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, Bailey went as far as sharing his own
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: AI image of the lobby selfie. So instead in the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: photo was him and St Kilda player Naziah Wanganeen Malira.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: And he wrote, I think we need to be talking
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: about Naz's 46 and 4. So that was referring to
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: his 46 touches and four goals that weekend. He finished
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the Q & A with another picture of Tony Montana,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: this time giving the finger and wrote, all right, phone
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: away now. Look, I kind of feel like for his
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: target audience, that is a good response. Like AFL fans
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: are going to find that funny. Like it's already kind.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Of turned comical on TikTok.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like the fact that he took
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the piss out of himself because if he just ignored it,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: it would look like he was bothered by it, I think.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: It was the perfect response, as you say, for his
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: demographic because it looks like he's in on the joke
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: and he's not fazed by it. He's essentially saying, well, yeah,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I'm a good-looking guy and I go out on dates.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: What's the big deal?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, it also makes him look a little bit immature.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: But again, what is he, like 25 years old? I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: don't really expect that much more from him. Now, footy
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: identity Daniel Gorin said that this was a non-story saying this.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, the story really is extremely good-looking guy in baths,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Is going on dates. And sure, his timings, they're short.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Between one date and the next one. And maybe sometimes
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: he's in the same outfit. And maybe we don't know
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: it on the same day. This guy doesn't give a shit.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: And sometimes you've just got to be like, okay, you
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: want to talk about me going on some dates? Fine.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I'm good looking and I go on dates. But that's
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: the story.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's got a point.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Bailey Smith is an eligible bachelor, one that a lot
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of girls want to date, and he's clearly dating a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: lot of people.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: And.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like a scandal like back in
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the 90s where Wayne Carey was caught out sleeping with
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: one of his teammates' wives.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: He hasn't really done anything that bad.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine though if they had TikTok back in
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the 90s, some of the salacious stuff that would have
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: come out? In saying that though, it's not a very
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: respectful way to treat women, particularly if they think that
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: they're in a serious relationship with someone. We don't know
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: what's been said behind the scenes in terms of exclusivity
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and it does irritate me in a sense that it's
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, boys will be boys.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: He's just a good looking AFL player.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: He can root around and he can date as many
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: girls and, you know, who cares?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And it does shine a light on the fact that
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: clearly this is just a non-event in the AFL space,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: that a lot of guys would be doing this. I mean,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: there is an ongoing joke that all athletes do it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And it's weird that it's something that we just go,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that's okay. I mean, I kind of love the fact
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that Talia and Mia joined forces and called him out
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: on his bullshit. Yeah. It's actually so nice to see
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the two women coming together because often in these scenarios,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: people would pit them against each other.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Whereas it's like, oh, girls supporting girls. Like they've come together.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: They've essentially sort of taken him down, shown people what
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: his behavior is like behind closed doors and gotten the revenge.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: When I first came to New York, Josh and I
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: were still together. However, since being here, our relationship has ended.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Saffron Barker has confirmed her split from longtime boyfriend Josh
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Milne in a YouTube video entitled We Broke Up. The
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: UK influencer fought back tears as she told her 2.4
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: million subscribers that the breakup is still very fresh and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: admitted that she's hurting. Let's take a listen to some
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of what she said.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: We were together for such a long time. So right
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: now I'm definitely hurting.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to go into detail about everything that's happened.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: That just isn't really me.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Also, I think, you know, it's very fresh. It's very new.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: And I owe it to myself to... to keep this
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: more private, but at the same time, I wanted to
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: jump on and I wanted to update you guys. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: know lots of you probably already know. Oh, I've cried
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: way too much already. I really don't want to cry again. Yeah,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: I pretty much just, oh my God. See, I can't
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: film this. I feel like it's quite fresh, if I'm
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: being honest. If this relationship and if all of my
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: relationships have taught me anything, it's probably just that I
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: just really want to focus on self-love and focus on
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: myself and do things that are going to make me happy.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I just felt so sorry for Saffron watching this. It
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: did feel very old school YouTube to have a video entitled,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: We Broke Up. I expected it to be more sensational
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: than it was. She was very respectful and said that
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: she wasn't going to keep things private.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, in her last relationship, she didn't do quite that.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: She posted a lot of TikToks where she referred to
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: there being cheating involved. But I think things are different
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: because This was a long-term relationship. It seemed like her
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: most serious relationship.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And we also knew Josh as a main character.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: In saying that, though, the commentary around cheating came quite
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a bit after the initial breakup with Louis Rhys-Zammer. It
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: wasn't like she immediately started sharing that information. No, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: she did immediately share a TikTok where she mimed, like
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it was all kind of, it made it very dramatic
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and she wanted everyone to know that this.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Breakup had happened.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose she's 26 now, probably feels a
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: little bit immature to do something like that.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: When I woke up on Tuesday.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Morning, a listener had literally sent me a screenshot of
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: this YouTube video and I couldn't click on it fast enough.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I had to watch it on my big TV, like
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: sort of have that experience. And I noticed watching it
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: like that. There were just so many jump cuts where
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: it was clear that she had been crying and she
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: had to just stop the camera. I mean, she's been very,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: she was very emotional and, I can feel, I could
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: feel the hurt in her voice and she just looks
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: so sad. She said a lot without saying much. I
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was hoping that she might drop some details about why
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: they broke up. I mean, whenever you see a video
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: like this uploaded on YouTube, you're like, oh, please, please
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: just tell us because we really want to know. And
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I know this is a really difficult time for her.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I feel genuinely really sorry for her. But there is
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a sense that I feel we're entitled to know because
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: she shared so much about her relationship online and she
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: really made it look picture perfect. Yeah, but she did
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: make the point that she and Josh were still together
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: when she moved to New York, which to me says
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a lot because you don't just break up with someone
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: when you're both in different countries, when it's a serious relationship,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: if something hasn't happened. She also said, I'm not going
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to go into everything that has happened. It's not like
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, well, we just grew out of love
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and we just moved in different directions. Something has happened. Yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: but I want to know what. Like, I really would
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: like to know. We can read between the lines. But also,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the fact that she's moved to New York and he
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: was staying in Dubai and then went on a boy's trip, like,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the relationship was in a good spot. Well,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I noticed in the lead up to her announcing the breakup,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: there was this big emphasis put on her following her
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: dreams and how, you know, she'd always wanted to go
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to New York and it almost made it sound like
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: he was like holding her back from doing this. Yeah,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you did get that vibe. It almost seems like maybe
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it was like, look, you do your thing. I'm going
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: to do my thing. We'll stay together. But then clearly
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: something's happened, you know, because he was meant to go
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: visit her in New York and stay for a bit.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I noticed today on his Instagram story that, I mean,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: he's been posting a lot of photos with his best
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: friend who, conveniently has also broken up with his longtime girlfriend.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: They were actually engaged. So, you know, that's question marks
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: over that. But he posted a photo saying he was
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: getting ready for an audition for a TV show. But
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: what an absolute fuck you that is to Saffron because
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: she is in New York currently doing acting courses. She's
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: been very clear that she would love to be an actor.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And it seems like she put those plans on hold.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: When she moved to Dubai for Josh.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When I saw that, I was like, ooh, are
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: things getting nasty? Because Saffron's whole family and her best
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: friends have unfollowed Josh, which again, makes me feel like
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: something major has gone down. Also, the fact that Saffron
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: says this is very fresh and has only just really happened,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: yet she's putting out a video to the whole world
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: saying we broke up.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: That shows there's no room for redemption.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Except in the case of Molly Mae and Tommy Fury,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: because we all thought that video meant, oh, fuck, they're
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: not going to get back together. She didn't post a video.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: She posted a statement. No, but she also did a
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: breakup video on YouTube. I think it will only be
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a matter of time before Saffron actually starts dropping some
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: clues of what happened, because she has been on a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: liking spree in her TikTok comments. And interestingly, she liked
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: a comment that said, She needs to date a regular
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: guy that also makes enough money as her because they
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: all end up using her for her money and fame otherwise.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: She's also been resharing TikTok videos about not accepting someone's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: apology and not feeling genuine. This breakup has been terrible
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: timing for Saffron because she just turned 26 and I'm
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: sure she was supposed to be spending her 26th birthday
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: with Josh, but her mum flew over last week and
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: then her sister-in-law has also flown over. And it's really
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: nice to see them all rallying behind her. It was
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: quite telling because in this vlog, Saffron's sister-in-law Imogen referenced
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that Saffron was trying to get her revenge body because
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Saffron was taking the stairs whilst Imogen.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Took the escalator.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: So even calling it your revenge body, it implies you
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: want revenge on the person and you want to look
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: fucking good.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: And that they've done wrong.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: There's this thing where a lot of people end up
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: crying on their birthday, even if they're in a happy situation.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Like birthdays make you very reflective. And with Saffron turning 26,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: which I mean, as a 37 year old, I'm like,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: how fucking young? But I remember turning 26 and being like, oh,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I'm mid to late 20s.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. You know, I'm not married.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not engaged. I haven't got a house. Like my
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: life isn't on track. And I feel like she probably
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: had one of those meltdowns, like you would.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, fair enough.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: If you've been broken up just before your birthday, I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: think you're well and truly within your rights to have
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a cry. I remember my ex-boyfriend sent me a message
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: on my 26th birthday, which was happy birthday with an
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: old woman emoji. And that really upset me because he
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: was a couple of years younger than me. I mean,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know why he was wishing me a happy
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: birthday anyway, but yeah, I felt for her. I was like,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: oh my God, that would be absolutely... crushing because you
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: can tell that she's really excited that she's in New
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: York and following her dreams. But at the same time,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you have this complex where you think that you're old
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: once you hit over 25 and that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: You should have your life in order.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's done an awful lot for someone who's
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: only 26. She's incredibly successful. And recently she put her
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Brighton mansion for sale. I wonder if that sale has
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: gone through or whether she's now decided not to sell
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: her house because It seemed in response to the fact
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that she was going to be living overseas permanently. I
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: know she's moved to New York, but she's spoken about that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Being only for a few months.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of fans are actually excited
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: by this breakup, though. I've been seeing a lot of
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: them sharing videos on TikTok. One shared the caption, have
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I just woken up to Saffron being single, meaning the.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Great YouTube videos will be making a return.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Now that video has had 273,000 views.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And 11.8,000 likes.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there seems to be a bit of a buzz
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: online about the fact that they've broken up. People are
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: coming out and saying that they never liked Josh. They
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: got bad vibes. off him and her content has been
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: shit since she's dated him and moved to Dubai. So
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I think fans are probably hoping that she's going to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: take her house off the market if it hasn't yet
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: sold and move back to Brighton and vlog with her family.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: This vlog was giving OG Saffron vibes. So I am
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: really excited to see the content that we're going to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: get out of Saffron. I am kind of bummed though,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: because I did really like Josh in her content. That
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: being said, if he's done it wrong, he can go.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Goodbye.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I think that is all we have time for today though.
• 30:10
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• 30:14
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