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Drew Brees on Brock Purdy, Tua Comparisons, & Playing Flag Football in the 2028 Olympics (ENCORE) · NFL Game Previews

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Speaker 1: What's up, people, it's your boy Camjay back with another
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Speaker 1: episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now, as
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Speaker 1: we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted to
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Speaker 1: reflect on some of the incredible guests I had the
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Speaker 1: pleasure of sitting down with last season. But hey, don't worry, though,
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Speaker 1: I got you. New episodes coming your way real soon. Relax,
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Speaker 1: I got you. But in the meantime, in between time,
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Speaker 1: let's rewind and play back some of my favorite interviews
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Speaker 1: from season one. This week, I'm bringing you an interview
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Speaker 1: with the true leader of men, a New Orleans savior,
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Speaker 1: a man who's won a Super Bowl right down under
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Speaker 1: whether Super Bowl's coming up this upcoming year. Some call
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Speaker 1: him Breezes. I call him Drew Orleans. That's right, folks,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about none other than my former quarterback, Drew Breeze.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen, hey, it's my honor, my privilege of
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Speaker 1: bringing a teammate, a leader of sorts, a leader of men,
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Speaker 1: because beyond just football, he does everything well. I don't
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Speaker 1: know who he doesn't leave. You look up to him.
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Speaker 1: I look up to him. The world looks up to him.
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Speaker 1: It's Drew Orleans. Drew Breesiana. It's it's it's Drew's way.
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Speaker 1: It just is what it is. Drew Brees Breeziana. My
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Speaker 1: dog Mark V would hit him with all types of
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Speaker 1: nicknames while he was throwing nice ball number nine. I see,
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Speaker 1: Drew Breesiana is sailing today. You know, those type of
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Speaker 1: situations as we were practiced from twenty eleven through twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty when I was teammates. He was part of the
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Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints from two thousand shit nine six two
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Speaker 1: thousand and six to twenty twenty, who fifteen years of
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Speaker 1: New Orleans. Drew Brees. I appreciate you tapping in.
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Speaker 2: With me, big dog.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cam, you know, off the Edge with Cam
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Speaker 1: Jeordan Jay.
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Speaker 2: You make me feel good. Man, I missed I I
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Speaker 2: don't have a hype. I don't have a hype guy anymore.
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Speaker 2: You know. Ah when I'm just when I'm feeling down
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Speaker 2: or depressed or get you know, just like down on myself,
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Speaker 2: I just gotta I just gotta hit you up. You
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Speaker 2: you and Mark Man, y'all like ma yell a.
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Speaker 1: My guys, come on, man, you're you're my goat. You're
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Speaker 1: my go you know, like nobody in the history of
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Speaker 1: the NFL has ever thrown for four more five thousand
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Speaker 1: yard seasons. You know, now that you're retired, I can
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Speaker 1: say these things with confidence.
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Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna do it.
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Speaker 1: You know, super Bowl MVP. You know been to Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl should we could have gone back to two or
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Speaker 1: three of them in twenty eleven and twenty nineteen, like
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Speaker 1: could have could have been, could have been, records, could
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Speaker 1: have been, could have been us?
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Speaker 2: Hey, I wouldn't. I wouldn't trade it. I wouldn't. I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't trade any of it. Man, those those those fifteen years,
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Speaker 2: and shoot, we had a lot. We had ten seasons together,
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Speaker 2: Cam ten ten. I mean you're you're that. You came
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Speaker 2: in as that that young pup, you know, talented but
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Speaker 2: kind of big eyes right like trying to figure it out.
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Speaker 2: And now look at you, man, you're like you're the
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Speaker 2: old dog. You're the one everybody goes to giving out
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Speaker 2: words of wisdom and advice based on all this wealth
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Speaker 2: of knowledge and experience you have.
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Speaker 1: Now, Man, no doubt, who's who's who's your who's your
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Speaker 1: you know, who's your jeweler, Who's who's your sup guy?
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Speaker 1: Who's your Like, I'm like, did we get to football. Yeah, Hey,
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Speaker 1: who's like, who's your barber? I don't have a barber.
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Speaker 1: I've been doing my hair like for so long. I
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Speaker 1: got a great barber now. But like you know, like
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Speaker 1: who's your massuse? I can't get you my massuse because
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Speaker 1: I use him and I can't have him being too congested.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's some secrets that just you know, can't
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Speaker 2: give out, you know.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But like I said, Leaders of Men, Drew, let's
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Speaker 1: talk about this. My kid plays in your league. I
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Speaker 1: say it's to Drew League. I believe the name of
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Speaker 1: the league is FNA. I call it Drew Orleans Ball.
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Speaker 1: But you started that up a couple of years back.
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Speaker 1: When did that start off? How did you get to
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Speaker 1: New Orleans?
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Speaker 2: I coach. I've coached just about all my my boys,
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Speaker 2: so let's see. It's hard to believe too. My boys
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Speaker 2: are now fourteen, thirteen and eleven, so ninth grade, seventh grade,
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Speaker 2: sixth grade. But I had a chance to coach him
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Speaker 2: all the way up. So yeah, we we started. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: our bailing. It was actually this started when Baalin was
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Speaker 2: in kindergarten. He was playing in a flag football league
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Speaker 2: and it was a good league. But it was one
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Speaker 2: of those things where I just saw all kinds of
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Speaker 2: areas where it could improve, from just the overall family
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Speaker 2: experience to the rules to and then it really just
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Speaker 2: got me on this path of you know, youth football
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Speaker 2: is interesting because, yeah, once you get to tackle, it
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Speaker 2: is what it is. But the flag game is so
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Speaker 2: so different because a there's all these different leagues and
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Speaker 2: they're playing by different rules. Some are five on five,
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Speaker 2: some aer six on six, some are seven on seven.
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Speaker 2: Different field size is different, flag like all kinds of stuff.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, how do I standardize this to
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Speaker 2: a point where this becomes the type of flag football
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Speaker 2: that's played that everybody really embraced. Is because it's safe,
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Speaker 2: it's fun, and it prepares kids in the best way
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Speaker 2: for tackle football if they choose to want to go
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Speaker 2: on and play tackle. So that was really the kind
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Speaker 2: of the objective was how do we create the gold
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Speaker 2: standard for flag football that kids can play and enjoy
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Speaker 2: with with like the reality that you know, maybe thirty
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Speaker 2: to forty percent of all the kids that play flag
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Speaker 2: football end up going on and playing tackle, But that's
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Speaker 2: not the point. The point, I think for me and
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Speaker 2: for you is football has meant so much in our life,
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Speaker 2: and it's it's taught us so much about life. We've
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Speaker 2: developed so many traits, qualities, attributes as a result of football,
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Speaker 2: and I think it's important that every kid gets a
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Speaker 2: chance to experience that. And it doesn't have to be
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Speaker 2: the tackle level, but how can we help them develop
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Speaker 2: a love and a passion for the game that they'll
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Speaker 2: carry with them forever. And if it wasn't for flag football,
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Speaker 2: they may never get a chance to experience it. So
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Speaker 2: how do we create the experience possible? So that's that
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Speaker 2: was like the origin and I think the you know,
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Speaker 2: really the story behind howf ANDA started, and that was
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Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen in New Orleans. We started off with
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Speaker 2: three leagues and then brought it to California, and then
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Speaker 2: the leagues started popping up in Texas and in the
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Speaker 2: Midwest and other places. So now we've got thirty leagues nationwide,
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Speaker 2: represented about eight states. And it's awesome, man, it's awesome. Right.
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Speaker 1: I was like, it's taken off my daughter, My five
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Speaker 1: year old Nia, plays flag in football. She just scored
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Speaker 1: her first she just scored her first touchdown this past weekend,
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Speaker 1: and as a dad, I was like, oh, she's finally
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Speaker 1: in there. Because at five years old, you usually have
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Speaker 1: like the really really good kids that I swear have
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Speaker 1: been training since birth, and you have everybody else at
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Speaker 1: a five years old, they're just like, oh and there's
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Speaker 1: an ant hill right here, and just the gay man.
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Speaker 1: It's like complete opposites. And now, like you know, you
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Speaker 1: see that difference. But she just scored her first touchdown
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Speaker 1: and previously she was on soccer and now she's like, Dad,
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Speaker 1: I like playing flag football. I was like, hey, baby,
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Speaker 1: that's all I want to do, expose you to something different.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, here's the other thing is, you know, they
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Speaker 2: just they just made the announcement last week that flag
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Speaker 2: football will be in the twenty twenty eight Olympics in
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles, unveiled October. It's going to be a five
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Speaker 2: on five version, which I think is probably more appropriate
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Speaker 2: just as you think about, you know, the worldwide kind
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Speaker 2: of embracing of the sport of football that probably kind
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Speaker 2: of brings to competitive levels, you know, more more equal
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Speaker 2: to you know, you know, across all countries. But you
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Speaker 2: saw it this year with what they did with NFL
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Speaker 2: teams basically having a chance to partner with different countries.
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Speaker 2: Like I went over to France on behalf of the Saints,
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Speaker 2: you know, so that France is kind of like our
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Speaker 2: sister country, you know, from the New Orleans Saints. So
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Speaker 2: it's one of our charges now, you know, across all
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Speaker 2: the NFL teams is to you know, partner with a
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Speaker 2: country around the world and then help provide support resources
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Speaker 2: to help grow the game of football in those countries,
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Speaker 2: so that here in five years we're going to have
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Speaker 2: young young men and young ladies out there representing their
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Speaker 2: countries playing flag football. So what a great way to
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Speaker 2: continue to grow the sport around the world. And also
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Speaker 2: I think for young girls, give them a vision for
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Speaker 2: what's possible. Right Like, young girls up until this point
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Speaker 2: have been playing flag football, and hey, it's fun, but
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Speaker 2: at some point it ends. Well right now, doesn't necessarily
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Speaker 2: have to end right like that chance on and represent
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Speaker 2: your country at the Olympics, becoming a list and doing that.
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Speaker 1: Drew, I'm not saying you're timeless, but I'm saying, like
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Speaker 1: you were slinging the rocket forty years old, twenty twenty eight,
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Speaker 1: are you are you? Are you still gonna try and
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Speaker 1: get out there and sling that thing? One good time.
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Speaker 1: I seen Look, I.
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Speaker 2: Just saw you.
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Speaker 1: I just saw you last weekend, Drew. I saw the heater.
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Speaker 1: I saw the heater with the left.
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Speaker 2: Did you see how I was gonna say? You saw
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Speaker 2: me throwing left? Look if I trained, Man, it's so tampting, Bro, it's.
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Speaker 1: So tamped I might change. This is about twenty twenty eight,
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Speaker 1: Like I may lose thirty to try and get in.
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Speaker 2: Bro, I would. I'm more so I think I've passed
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Speaker 2: the baton on to the young, to the young Breeze kids,
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And to Tank, to Tank Jordan.
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Speaker 2: You know, I think I think I think we're passing
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Speaker 2: the baton on to the next generation to go represent
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Speaker 2: the US and the Olympics.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, like your oldest kid to be like eighteen
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Speaker 1: or nineteen.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like we're
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Speaker 2: here right about time.
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Speaker 1: Member, Hey, I might I might have to hold it
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Speaker 1: down for the joy and try and just drop thirty.
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Speaker 1: Be like, yeah, what's up? I'm here for this five
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Speaker 1: on five?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? Uh Megan, Megan, Mega Tribe.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Hey, treat, treat me like Jimmy
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Speaker 1: and Jimmy in twenty thirteen, if you see me in
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Speaker 1: en zone, you know it's good.
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Speaker 2: Right right? TDB? That was that was That was Jimmy
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Speaker 2: and My saying back in the day. TDB stand for
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Speaker 2: throw me, throw me damn if I'm if I'm in
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Speaker 2: the in zone, I'm open. Okay, nobody else around here
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Speaker 2: in six seventy I'm open. Nobody.
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Speaker 1: Nobody know why I've never actually asked you this question,
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Speaker 1: because you know, I'm just thinking. I'm thinking like draft comparables,
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Speaker 1: because now I got I'm thinking about my kids in
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Speaker 1: the draft, Your kids in the draft. Every year they
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Speaker 1: come out with like those comparables, right the next Cam Jordan,
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Speaker 1: the next you know, I have not seen the next
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Speaker 1: Drew Brees. And is there one? Have you ever seen
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Speaker 1: somebody comparative? And I only bring this up because Toron
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Speaker 1: said two is like the next Drew Brees. Toron arms
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Speaker 1: it over in Miami was like, man, he's got a
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Speaker 1: lot of measurables, a lot of comparables to Drew Brees.
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Speaker 1: And I said, huh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I think I think the first I
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Speaker 2: think the first thing, Well, first off, everybody and Look,
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Speaker 2: Sean Pagne used to say this all the time, Like
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Speaker 2: we sit around and talk about personnel. You know, you're
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Speaker 2: trying to see how different guys fit into the system,
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Speaker 2: whether it's offense or defense. And look, we're all visual people,
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Speaker 2: and so if you can anytime you can take someone
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Speaker 2: and and give them a comparison, I think it just
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Speaker 2: gives you an immediate vision as to oh, okay, like now,
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Speaker 2: now I see how that guy fits into this offense
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Speaker 2: because I know the guy's skill set that you were
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Speaker 2: just talking about. If we're saying this guy can eventually
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Speaker 2: be that guy, all right, I've got a vision for him. Right, So,
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Speaker 2: I think the first the first thing I think of
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Speaker 2: when somebody says like, oh, that's a Drew Brees. First off,
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Speaker 2: you're talking about a short quarterback. Like, let's just be honest,
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Speaker 2: you you're talking about a guy who's like, you know,
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Speaker 2: on the shorter side, right, so maybe part of the
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Speaker 2: six foot and under like yours truly right here? Whoa
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Speaker 2: a bro? I appreciate that it's babe, But I like
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Speaker 2: to think that we've changed the perception or the misconception
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Speaker 2: about the short quarterback. Right Like back when I was
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Speaker 2: first coming into the league like that was a big deal.
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Speaker 2: Even ten years ago, that was a big deal. I
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Speaker 2: think enough has happened now where you see the Russell Wilson's,
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Speaker 2: the Kyler Murray's, the Baker mayfields some of these other
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Speaker 2: guys now that are man, they're like six foot six one,
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Speaker 2: and I don't even it's not even discussed anymore. Like
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Speaker 2: that used to be the first thing out of somebody's
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Speaker 2: mouth if they were trying to, you know, talk bad
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Speaker 2: about a kid coming out of my eyes he's only
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Speaker 2: six foot. Nobody says that anymore, Right, So, I think
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Speaker 2: the game has evolved and changed enough to where maybe
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Speaker 2: that misconception's gone. But then, like, let's look at the
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Speaker 2: other things. Okay, I was never the strongest armed guy,
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Speaker 2: right Like, I felt like I could make all the throws,
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Speaker 2: but I was forced to throw with anticipation because it
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe I didn't have as strong and all
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Speaker 2: arm as some of the other guys in the league.
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Speaker 2: Well what is throwing with anticipation force you to do?
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Speaker 2: It forces you to be prepared and to be on
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Speaker 2: the same page with your receivers, to have incredible chemistry,
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Speaker 2: to know what the defense is because You've got to
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Speaker 2: know where defenders are and where they're not, because guess what,
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Speaker 2: you aren't always going to see those defenders, but you're
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Speaker 2: going to know the spot and you're gonna have to
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Speaker 2: trust that. I've always felt like accuracy is trust and anticipation, right, Trust,
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Speaker 2: trust to play, trust the coverage, trust the guy you're
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Speaker 2: throwing to anticipate the throw, and the ball is where
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Speaker 2: it needs to be. And you got to expect your
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Speaker 2: gott to be there too. Why do you expect them
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Speaker 2: to do that because you've worked at it? Right, because
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Speaker 2: you worked at it.
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Speaker 1: Did you develop that and Purdue or the Chargers or
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Speaker 1: when did you didn't? Just like you weren't straight out
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Speaker 1: of Texas. Like anticipation, I got no, but I kind
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Speaker 1: of was, though.
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Speaker 2: I mean that's to me that that's always been my
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Speaker 2: survival mechanism. You know, like you learn to survive, right,
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Speaker 2: I mean call it what you want animals in the wild,
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Speaker 2: like right, like you chameleons changing color so they don't
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Speaker 2: get attacked or you know, like like they blend in
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Speaker 2: Like that's you. You have to do what you have
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Speaker 2: to do in order to survive and get the job done.
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Speaker 2: And so if you're not a strong arm guy. You
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Speaker 2: have to learn to throw with anticipation or else ball's
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Speaker 2: not going to get there on time. Ball's going to
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Speaker 2: get knocked down, picked off. I'm not going to succeed.
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Speaker 2: So I look at guys like toa, I look at
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Speaker 2: guys like Brock Purty. To me, maybe those are two
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Speaker 2: of the guys that are most similar from the perspective
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Speaker 2: of Hey, they're shorter quarterbacks, right, they're not the strongest
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Speaker 2: armed guys. I would say, look man like, they've got
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Speaker 2: a lot of experience. I mean, to two had a
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Speaker 2: lot of college snaps. Brock Party at Iowa State had
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Speaker 2: a lot of college snaps. I was a three year
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Speaker 2: starter in college. I think that's something that as scouts
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Speaker 2: look at, you know, young qbs that can't be underestimated,
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Speaker 2: and that is their experienced level in college. Like look
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Speaker 2: at the hype that was put around guys like Trubisky,
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Speaker 2: Trey Lance. And I'm not saying those guys aren't going
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Speaker 2: to become, you know, great players, but those guys only
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Speaker 2: had eleven games or less in college. Right, So you
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Speaker 2: think about the number of games, the number snaps, the
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Speaker 2: amount of experience, Like you kind of expect them to
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Speaker 2: come in and be this world beater. Well, no, that
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Speaker 2: takes time, right, It takes time because it takes experience,
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Speaker 2: and it takes reps and just time on task. Right.
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Speaker 2: So I think these are all things that as you
14:28
Speaker 2: look at like this next generation of QBS man, experience
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Speaker 2: in college is so important, right, and then you know what,
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Speaker 2: height's no longer an issue, Like can this dude process
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Speaker 2: the game? Does he have leadership ability? Can he throw anticipation?
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Speaker 2: You know? Is can he you know? Does he fight
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Speaker 2: back from adversity? Like does he have some mental toughness
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Speaker 2: and fortitude like overcome tough situations because everybody's going to
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Speaker 2: face those tough situations even within the course of the game.
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Speaker 2: Does this guy have a mechanism where he can move
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Speaker 2: on from bad plays and get on to the next
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Speaker 2: play and not let that effect you know what's going
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Speaker 2: to hap and next to get right back on track.
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Speaker 1: Can you quantify that as an attribute? Though? Like can
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Speaker 1: you be like, oh, what is his mentality as from
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Speaker 1: drafting somebody Like you're like, oh, you can you can
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Speaker 1: only deal with your tangibles? How do you Is there
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Speaker 1: a gauge for that?
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Speaker 2: Well, no, I'd say this, like, man, like I'm going
15:16
Speaker 2: to bring up names that that you know because we
15:18
Speaker 2: played with these guys. Like Pierre Thomas was the first
15:20
Speaker 2: guy that came to mind. Pierre Thomas, undrafted free agent
15:24
Speaker 2: out of University Illinois. Right, nobody's heard of Pierre Thomas.
15:28
Speaker 2: Now if you really start looking at it, Pierre Thomas,
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Speaker 2: I think was the all time Big Ten yardage leader
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Speaker 2: in return yards in the history of the Big Ten.
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Speaker 2: Like nobody would ever know that, But like that tells
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Speaker 2: me this dude does stuff when he has the ball
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Speaker 2: in his hands, all right, number one, number two, This
15:47
Speaker 2: dude comes in and basically makes our twenty seventeen by
15:51
Speaker 2: blocking like two punts in pre season because we had
15:55
Speaker 2: drafted Antonio Pittman a Roman round the fourth round right
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Speaker 2: that year, And here's Tt coming in as an undrafted
16:04
Speaker 2: free agent, and basically he's only going to make the
16:06
Speaker 2: team on special teams, right, So he ends up making
16:09
Speaker 2: the team, But he plays so well in the preseason
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Speaker 2: that like we're forced to cut this other guy, right,
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Speaker 2: and then he starts off the year at like four
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Speaker 2: string running back. He blocks upon on Sunday Night football
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Speaker 2: at Seattle when they're undefeated No. Seven, right, and then
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Speaker 2: before the end of the year. This dude's the starter.
16:25
Speaker 2: The last Dame was Teason who played at Chicago and
16:27
Speaker 2: one hundred yards rushing, one hundred yards receiving. It's like
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Speaker 2: the first time it's ever been done in Saint's history.
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Speaker 1: Drew Drew, what year is that? And why do you remember?
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Speaker 2: Dude? I got because I got crazy recall when it
16:37
Speaker 2: comes to this kind of stuff, because like these are
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Speaker 2: life lessons, right, Like these are the things that I'll
16:42
Speaker 2: sit up at night and tell my kids, or like
16:43
Speaker 2: something will happen in a game and I'll be like,
16:46
Speaker 2: let me tell your story. Let me tell you a
16:47
Speaker 2: story about somebody. Right, And like Peter Thomas, here's the
16:51
Speaker 2: dude who was just constantly sold short, like man, you're
16:56
Speaker 2: not good enough, We're not going to draft you, Like
16:57
Speaker 2: you don't have to make the team on special teams
17:00
Speaker 2: that like, this dude did nothing but earn it, like
17:03
Speaker 2: every single day, right until all of a sudden it
17:06
Speaker 2: was time for him to get his opportunity. And guess what,
17:08
Speaker 2: he was ready. He was ready, and he wasn't afraid
17:11
Speaker 2: of failure. He wasn't afraid of adversity. He wasn't afraid
17:15
Speaker 2: of challenges or stuff being hard because they'd been through it. Man,
17:18
Speaker 2: he's been through it his whole life, right all the
17:20
Speaker 2: way up through his career too. How many times have
17:22
Speaker 2: we seen guys come in this league and man, it's
17:24
Speaker 2: just been spoon fed to him. It's been given to him.
17:27
Speaker 2: They never really had to never really had to face
17:29
Speaker 2: it like that kind of adversity or earn it like
17:31
Speaker 2: it's it's just been coddled a little bit and all
17:35
Speaker 2: of a sudden stuff gets hard, you know, And I've
17:38
Speaker 2: never had to face this before. I don't know what
17:40
Speaker 2: this is like. And then going to tank and they
17:42
Speaker 2: don't have that mechanism just to be able to like, man,
17:45
Speaker 2: this is just part of life, right, this is what's
17:47
Speaker 2: here to make me better, and you know, like, I'm
17:49
Speaker 2: ready for this. It's a it's it's it's probably the
17:53
Speaker 2: main thing that's wrong with the transfer portal right now.
17:56
Speaker 2: You're just you're just making it easy on everybody. Oh,
17:58
Speaker 2: you're you're unhappy, Okay, you can you always have an out. Well,
18:01
Speaker 2: guess what happens if you be in a situation where
18:03
Speaker 2: you don't have an out and you got to figure
18:05
Speaker 2: it out, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's we
18:08
Speaker 2: are depriving a lot of these college kids the opportunity
18:11
Speaker 2: to face adversity and to develop the traits and attributes
18:15
Speaker 2: they're gonna help them be the best they can be,
18:17
Speaker 2: not just in in athletics.
18:18
Speaker 1: But in life on and off the field.
18:21
Speaker 2: Driving these kids, man, let's let's make them work for it,
18:24
Speaker 2: make them earn it. I'll get off my soalbox now care.
18:27
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'm with you, but I also I'll
18:30
Speaker 1: be seeing these kids leave for these bigger nil deals
18:33
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and that's what you get when you
18:34
Speaker 1: ball out, you get a bigger call. I said, that's yeah.
18:37
Speaker 2: So what do we Yeah, so what's what are we putting?
18:40
Speaker 2: What are we putting the priority on? Are we putting
18:42
Speaker 2: on education? Are we putting on being in the best system,
18:45
Speaker 2: the best program, the best coach, like the best environment? No?
18:49
Speaker 1: Maybe, hey, maybe you know, if you're if you're leaving
18:54
Speaker 1: you know, like uh, Ohio State, and you you know,
18:59
Speaker 1: because you're not star in there or whatever it is,
19:00
Speaker 1: and you get a transfer into like a University of California, Berkeley,
19:04
Speaker 1: You've just elevated your education right there.
19:07
Speaker 2: Boom. But how hard is it to be a college
19:10
Speaker 2: coach right now?
19:11
Speaker 1: Man? Oh yeah, no doubt, no doubt. My d my
19:14
Speaker 1: D line coach now is a DC over at Oregon,
19:17
Speaker 1: Or my D line coach from college that cal is
19:19
Speaker 1: a DC over at Oregon. And I mean luckily they
19:23
Speaker 1: have forty five different jerseys every other week, so I
19:26
Speaker 1: mean it's probably a little easier his ways. But it's yeah,
19:29
Speaker 1: these kids don't care. They're going for a dollar signs.
19:31
Speaker 2: Out unless your name is coach prime or you have
19:34
Speaker 2: an endless budget, right Nick, say the right like you?
19:41
Speaker 2: It's so hard, man, it's so this Actually in IOL
19:45
Speaker 2: is the non in IOL transfer portal is the best
19:48
Speaker 2: thing for Alabama. It's the best way for Alabama. You
19:51
Speaker 2: know why because Alabama can never make a bad investment. Now,
19:55
Speaker 2: never make a bad What if I told you Cam
19:59
Speaker 2: that you could invest money into something and if it
20:01
Speaker 2: doesn't work out, you just get your money back and
20:04
Speaker 2: you can move on to the next one, like you'd
20:06
Speaker 2: never go wrong. Right. My point is this, Alabama's recruiting
20:10
Speaker 2: pitch to kids is, hey, come here, we'll coach your heart.
20:13
Speaker 2: We'll get the best out of you. Every year. We're
20:14
Speaker 2: going to bring in the best players, and if it
20:16
Speaker 2: doesn't work out for it, you can transfer and give
20:17
Speaker 2: us back that scholarship. How about that, right?
20:20
Speaker 1: And so it works both ways.
20:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, but man, it's really good for Alabama. Think about it.
20:25
Speaker 2: Otherwise that would have to be really selected, right, because
20:29
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you recruit a kid, he comes in,
20:30
Speaker 2: maybe he's not what you thought he was. You're stuck
20:32
Speaker 2: with him. You're not stuck with him anymore. You just
20:35
Speaker 2: you just treat him like practice so thieves, and then
20:37
Speaker 2: you take a scholarship back and you just go make
20:39
Speaker 2: another investment. You never lose, man, you never lose.
20:43
Speaker 1: I mean that's the I hate now that you say
20:46
Speaker 1: I'm formulating, what's what's going wrong? I'm like, all right, no,
20:49
Speaker 1: that that that creates a lot of holes in the things.
20:51
Speaker 1: Like these kids. Yeah absolutely, So Now where do these
20:55
Speaker 1: kids formulate the mindset to become a leader like you? Like,
20:59
Speaker 1: in my mind in college, like that's how I became
21:01
Speaker 1: a leader. It was like that freshman. Be sure, I
21:04
Speaker 1: was a true freshman. So like I fought to get
21:07
Speaker 1: playing time. I fought, you know, I was on all
21:08
Speaker 1: special teams. In my mind, I just popped off my
21:11
Speaker 1: freshman season. I made the first tackle on kickoff against
21:14
Speaker 1: Tennessee at Cal right, and I was like I had
21:17
Speaker 1: to work my way up even you know, like that
21:19
Speaker 1: made me who I was. I looked at a defensive
21:21
Speaker 1: end opposite of me, Tyson Lulu, who ended up going
21:24
Speaker 1: to the Jacksonville Jaguars, like top ten picks or whatever.
21:26
Speaker 1: It was like there was a mission there. I was like,
21:28
Speaker 1: I want to be better than him. There's like, you know,
21:30
Speaker 1: goals there. There was never leave Cal. I guess it
21:33
Speaker 1: was like, how do I make the best of this
21:35
Speaker 1: four years that I have?
21:36
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly, So let's be honest. Like there was moments
21:41
Speaker 2: during my freshman year where I questioned myself. I questioned,
21:45
Speaker 2: you know, was like doing the right thing? Was I
21:47
Speaker 2: in the right environment, was on the right situation? Like
21:50
Speaker 2: every I think every kid has those feelings and emotions
21:53
Speaker 2: perfectly natural. But if the answer to that is stuck
21:58
Speaker 2: it up, like learning him adversity, it's supposed to be hard.
22:03
Speaker 2: Embrace the challenge. You're not going anywhere like then you
22:08
Speaker 2: you work through it. On the other hand, if it
22:11
Speaker 2: is hey, it's okay, you can just leave, you can
22:16
Speaker 2: you're gonna you can just hit the reset button on
22:19
Speaker 2: your video game controller. Right, you're having a bad game,
22:21
Speaker 2: you just hit the reset button and just go somewhere
22:23
Speaker 2: else and just start over. Right, It's okay. And oh
22:26
Speaker 2: guess what if it doesn't work out there, let's just
22:28
Speaker 2: reset it again. Let's just keep let's just keep kicking
22:30
Speaker 2: this can down the road. Let's just keep transferring out
22:33
Speaker 2: till you find so like, come on, come on now, look,
22:37
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. At some point, like look, Joe
22:40
Speaker 2: Burrow is a perfect example. He goes Ohio State Red Shirts,
22:43
Speaker 2: sits for two years, gets beat out, gets beat out,
22:47
Speaker 2: timing again. So you know what, I'm gonna transfer out.
22:50
Speaker 2: But man, he was there three seasons at least, I believe,
22:54
Speaker 2: And so he's man, he's had to fight through it.
22:56
Speaker 2: He's had to struggle, he's had to Now he's got
22:59
Speaker 2: a giant chip on his shoulder when he leaves three
23:01
Speaker 2: years later, and look what happens when he goes to LSU.
23:04
Speaker 2: So look, there are there are successful examples of that,
23:09
Speaker 2: but it was after a period of time where they
23:12
Speaker 2: had to like get through the fire a bit. You know,
23:16
Speaker 2: they had to suffer a bit. And I'm sure I'm
23:20
Speaker 2: sure that that Joe Burrow would would would recognize the
23:24
Speaker 2: value of being at Ohio State for three years.
23:28
Speaker 1: It probably, i mean probably made him up more of
23:30
Speaker 1: a more of a leader because he valued it that
23:31
Speaker 1: much more.
23:32
Speaker 2: There's no question. Man, I'll tell you what really comes
23:35
Speaker 2: as a results. That as gratitude, And that's probably the
23:38
Speaker 2: greatest trait than any of us could have. His gratitude.
23:59
Speaker 1: Drew to beck to you with that added to your
24:01
Speaker 1: leadership qualities, Like when did you become a leader? Because
24:03
Speaker 1: when I got there, you already had the huddle chance going,
24:06
Speaker 1: And like when did you become a leader? You weren't
24:09
Speaker 1: just a born leader or maybe you were. Texas football
24:11
Speaker 1: is different. I don't know.
24:13
Speaker 2: I say this, I'd say I've always loved sports, right,
24:16
Speaker 2: I've always gravitated sports. You know. Sports always gave me
24:19
Speaker 2: great confidence, you know. I always felt like I was
24:22
Speaker 2: an athletic kid, you know, so I could pick up
24:24
Speaker 2: the sport and I could, you know, usually figure it
24:26
Speaker 2: out pretty quick, you know, and then I'd be good
24:28
Speaker 2: at it, and then that would build self esteem and
24:30
Speaker 2: all that stuff. So I've always wanted to be the
24:33
Speaker 2: guy who had the ball in his hands. Right. If
24:35
Speaker 2: I'm playing basketball, I'm either the point guard of the
24:37
Speaker 2: shooting yard. If I'm playing baseball, I needed the picture
24:39
Speaker 2: of the shortstop, right, Like the list goes on, right,
24:42
Speaker 2: Like I want to be the dude with a ball
24:43
Speaker 2: in his hands. Who's going to win the game, right,
24:46
Speaker 2: or who's in charge, who's in control of the moment
24:49
Speaker 2: in the situation, right, and getting people on the same
24:51
Speaker 2: page and all that, Like I did that, Like that's
24:55
Speaker 2: arrive on that stuff, right. So I do think there
24:57
Speaker 2: is some some innate stuff that happens with that where
25:00
Speaker 2: you can just see it in some kids, right, Like
25:02
Speaker 2: when you're on the field, you're like, man, that guy's
25:04
Speaker 2: got some natural leadership ability, right. But so much of
25:10
Speaker 2: what I learned through the years was from having great mentors,
25:14
Speaker 2: from being around incredible players, like watching guys Like when
25:17
Speaker 2: I stepped into the locker room my rookie year, I
25:19
Speaker 2: was staring at Junior Sayout and Rodney Harrison on the
25:21
Speaker 2: other side of the ball, and I was terrified of
25:23
Speaker 2: these dudes, but like also like just profound respect because
25:28
Speaker 2: these dudes were the first one there. They were working
25:30
Speaker 2: their ass off, like during practice, man they did not
25:33
Speaker 2: let anything slide nothing, So like they set the tone
25:38
Speaker 2: early as to this is the level of expectation, this
25:40
Speaker 2: is the way that we operate around here, and if
25:43
Speaker 2: you don't like it, then get them out right, like
25:46
Speaker 2: you had to get in line. And then I'm alongside
25:50
Speaker 2: Ladanian Tomlinson, right, and then Lorenzo Neil comes in, who
25:53
Speaker 2: was an awesome mental for me. I had Doug Flutie there,
25:56
Speaker 2: I mean, and then you know, I'm playing for Marty Shaunhan,
26:00
Speaker 2: one of the greatest coaches of all time. That I
26:01
Speaker 2: come to New Orleans and it's Sean Payton and it's
26:03
Speaker 2: all the guys like you and others that we played
26:06
Speaker 2: with that I had a chance to be around every
26:08
Speaker 2: day and like woke up every day wanting to go
26:09
Speaker 2: win for so like you're so much of a product
26:13
Speaker 2: of your environment and those that you're surrounded with, and
26:15
Speaker 2: they just bring out the best in you. Like I've
26:17
Speaker 2: always felt like, what's the best leadership traite, Like if
26:20
Speaker 2: you were boil it down, what's the best description of
26:22
Speaker 2: a leader. It's someone who can bring out the best
26:25
Speaker 2: in other people. And that's done in a lot of
26:28
Speaker 2: different ways, right, Like I would call Marcus Colston and
26:31
Speaker 2: Darren Sproll's leaders. Those guys, as you know, did not
26:35
Speaker 2: say much, but all you had to do was watch
26:38
Speaker 2: them work. And if that didn't inspire you, then I
26:42
Speaker 2: don't know if you got a heartbeat. Right, Like those
26:44
Speaker 2: dude would come to work and work their tail off,
26:48
Speaker 2: and like I was so inspired by those guys every day.
26:51
Speaker 2: So I just I feel like I'm just a product
26:53
Speaker 2: of being around some great people, right.
26:56
Speaker 1: I mean you say that and you can you know,
26:58
Speaker 1: Marcus Colston nine went down in our seasons called him
27:01
Speaker 1: the quiet Storm, But it does say something for the
27:03
Speaker 1: guys who work and talk and inspire, because you can
27:06
Speaker 1: be inspired by watching anybody, you know, but when you
27:10
Speaker 1: talk that talk and you walk that walk, then like
27:12
Speaker 1: that's where, in my mind become a leader. Like you
27:14
Speaker 1: can dub anybody a captain. I feel like a captain
27:17
Speaker 1: is a patch. A leader is something more Like it
27:20
Speaker 1: feels like a leader is a rally point. And that's
27:22
Speaker 1: what I like to be. Like I want to be
27:23
Speaker 1: a rally point because I'm balling because I'm doing things
27:26
Speaker 1: the right way. Like you look, you just gravitate towards
27:29
Speaker 1: all right. Well, if he's doing this, I can push
27:31
Speaker 1: myself to be more. So that's why you were a
27:33
Speaker 1: rally point, like a leader. You know, there's certain guys
27:35
Speaker 1: you just look for, like or the amount of work
27:37
Speaker 1: that he puts in, I gotta put in more. Like
27:40
Speaker 1: you're challenged me to be better, you know. Like that's
27:43
Speaker 1: what I like. Like, Oh, we talk, we talk about excellence. Well,
27:46
Speaker 1: that's why we're being excellent because there's so many things
27:49
Speaker 1: that were going on. But now that I got to
27:51
Speaker 1: this podcast, what do you see from this first seven
27:54
Speaker 1: weeks of New Orleans States football? And how can that
27:58
Speaker 1: be cleared up and or get better? How to assess
28:00
Speaker 1: us let's go with that work.
28:02
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think I think defensively, you guys
28:05
Speaker 2: have been pretty consistent. I think offensively it's been it's
28:08
Speaker 2: been a bit inconsistent. I think there's as you look
28:14
Speaker 2: at as you look at every game you've played, I
28:15
Speaker 2: think you would look at and say, man, there's no
28:17
Speaker 2: reason why you couldn't have won all of them. I
28:19
Speaker 2: know Tampa Tampa got all out of control, right, But
28:22
Speaker 2: but besides that, I mean, you guys could be sitting
28:26
Speaker 2: here at whatever.
28:26
Speaker 1: Seven one one are. We could be sitting at six
28:29
Speaker 1: and one.
28:29
Speaker 2: Respectively, just right, So, so you know that part is
28:34
Speaker 2: kind of frustrating because, uh, I think you know that
28:37
Speaker 2: there's more in the tank. Look, I think all the
28:42
Speaker 2: pieces are there. Like it'd be one thing if you
28:44
Speaker 2: were sitting here saying, man, I think you know you've
28:46
Speaker 2: had some significant injuries or you know you're just you're
28:49
Speaker 2: really missing some key components. I don't. I don't think
28:51
Speaker 2: you are at all. I don't think you're at all.
28:53
Speaker 2: I think it's certainly as I look at it, like
28:56
Speaker 2: I look offensive side of the ball. You know, Man,
29:00
Speaker 2: when we go up tempo, I think we are highly effective.
29:04
Speaker 2: I think that creates a great rhythm for the offense.
29:05
Speaker 2: I think that's when we are at our best. I
29:07
Speaker 2: think that was shown in the fourth quarter of the
29:09
Speaker 2: other night. Right we get down all of a sudden,
29:11
Speaker 2: we're up temple. Man, We're moving the ball right down
29:13
Speaker 2: the field, and I'm probably it's not like they were
29:15
Speaker 2: just playing prevent and letting it happen. I mean they were.
29:17
Speaker 2: They were running the same pressures, they were doing the
29:19
Speaker 2: same stuff they're doing the whole game. We were just
29:21
Speaker 2: a bit more on point because we had this rhythm
29:24
Speaker 2: and this slow going.
29:25
Speaker 1: Sense of urgency. I feel like when we go when
29:27
Speaker 1: teams go huddle up, it's either one they're trying to
29:30
Speaker 1: slow the defense down or two their desperation is kicked in.
29:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would say this, man, we have
29:38
Speaker 2: always been an offense that had a lot of things
29:42
Speaker 2: for a defense to worry about. You got Kamara in
29:44
Speaker 2: the backfield, you got tight ends that are explosed. So
29:47
Speaker 2: if you've got receivers all over the place, playmakers that
29:50
Speaker 2: are tough one on one matchups. Right, So I still
29:53
Speaker 2: feel like that is the case, right, Like I still
29:56
Speaker 2: see Mike t being a guy who can catch seven
29:59
Speaker 2: or eight balls a game. I see dudes in Olave
30:02
Speaker 2: and Shaheed that are like meets him and deverywhere for
30:06
Speaker 2: us back you know in that that that window from
30:10
Speaker 2: seven to thirteen where like air raid, like push the
30:14
Speaker 2: ball down the field. You know when you get in
30:16
Speaker 2: the red zone. We said it earlier in the in
30:20
Speaker 2: the in the show, Well if if if Jimmy standing
30:24
Speaker 2: in the end zone, I don't care who's there or
30:27
Speaker 2: who's covering him, that that would be a great that'd
30:29
Speaker 2: be a great spot to use him. I mean, look,
30:32
Speaker 2: there's Taysom Hill is like, I'm I'm still amazed like
30:37
Speaker 2: everything that I see from him, and I should know better.
30:41
Speaker 2: I should know better because I've seen everything this dude
30:44
Speaker 2: can do. And yet I'm sitting there watching the game
30:46
Speaker 2: on Thursday night and the guy was the tight end
30:49
Speaker 2: in two minutes. He probably had thirty five snaps at
30:53
Speaker 2: the tight end position, in addition to quarterback, in addition
30:55
Speaker 2: to running back, and addition all these other positions that
30:57
Speaker 2: he plays. And it's still like, man, it's like he's
31:01
Speaker 2: one of the greatest weapons in the league, right, And
31:03
Speaker 2: so I think, like, if anything, that would just get
31:06
Speaker 2: me really excited. And as this continues to unfold, I
31:09
Speaker 2: think with more of a tempo and just kind of
31:13
Speaker 2: you know, creating the rhythm, getting the ball into these
31:16
Speaker 2: playmakers hands in space right, which we've got plenty of them,
31:20
Speaker 2: and then just finding those matchup problems that we've got
31:23
Speaker 2: them all over the field. I think that we're in
31:26
Speaker 2: a great spot. I really do.
31:28
Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much potential we have to capitalize.
31:31
Speaker 1: Like now it's becoming you know, we used to have
31:34
Speaker 1: those gotta habit wins. It's becoming in that sense, of
31:37
Speaker 1: like we have to be able to turn it on now,
31:39
Speaker 1: you know, and you knows, as you've taught me over
31:42
Speaker 1: the years. Leadership is so important in these in these
31:45
Speaker 1: locker rooms, this locker room feel, it's leadership, and it's
31:48
Speaker 1: these rally points that this is where you take that Hey,
31:51
Speaker 1: okay with three and four, this is how we go
31:53
Speaker 1: beyond that next step. It's time to elevate, and it
31:55
Speaker 1: starts with the leaders up top. So I appreciate you
31:57
Speaker 1: tune the number. I know you got things you got
31:59
Speaker 1: to do. I wanted to talk about pickaball and how
32:01
Speaker 1: your game is because I still have yet to do it,
32:03
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that in another day. I just
32:05
Speaker 1: want to know it's being a pickaball owner.
32:07
Speaker 2: Will you get We've got to get the Saints to
32:10
Speaker 2: build a couple of Pickaball courts right there next to
32:12
Speaker 2: the indoor facility, and we can get some games going,
32:17
Speaker 2: all right, like a little off season, maybe a little
32:20
Speaker 2: Tuesday off day run around, you know, like let's let's
32:23
Speaker 2: get this going.
32:25
Speaker 1: I mean, you're already a pick aball team owner. How
32:27
Speaker 1: much longer do I have to wait till I just
32:29
Speaker 1: hear that ticker go across Drew Brees. He miss, yeah,
32:33
Speaker 1: come on, I'm just saying fine, say no.
32:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I like leaving it to the pros there.
32:39
Speaker 2: You know, I'll just I'll just kind of, you know,
32:41
Speaker 2: just be working behind the scenes here.
32:43
Speaker 1: Okay, perfect. Appreciate you chopping in, bro. So there you
32:55
Speaker 1: have it. It's a round. I just want to say
32:57
Speaker 1: a huge thank you to all my awesome listeners for
33:00
Speaker 1: with me. I've got a whole locker room full of
33:02
Speaker 1: my favorite interviews from season one coming your way. But
33:04
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