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Catharine Allan – Divination Rules · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice. What are the rules that
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Speaker 1: genuine ethical psychics should follow in their practices? My guest
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Speaker 1: this week on Vox Novus, Intuitive Channel spiritual author and
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Speaker 1: artist Katherine Allen says there are specific rules for all
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Speaker 1: forms of divination. Katherine has been channeling and using her
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Speaker 1: gifts of clairvoyance, intuition, taroor reading, and estralla to guide
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Speaker 1: people through every kind of life change for more than
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Speaker 1: thirty five years. Her website is Riverdasherain dot com and
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Speaker 1: she joins me this week on Vox Novus to share
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Speaker 1: her path and just published book, Divination Rules one hundred
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Speaker 1: Tips for Flawless Fortune Telling. Please join me in welcoming
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Speaker 1: to Vox Novus Katherine Allen.
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Speaker 2: Welcome Katherine, Hi, Victor, Nice to see you.
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Speaker 1: Nice to see you also, Katherine. Your new book, Divination
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Speaker 1: Rules starts with a dedication that says, and I quote,
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Speaker 1: this book is dedicated to all the experiences that shaped
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Speaker 1: me and gave rise to the exploration of the great mysteries.
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Speaker 1: To Shelley, my childhood neighbor, for showing me the magic
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Speaker 1: eate ball. To my parents who never interfered with my
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Speaker 1: spiritual path, and to all those who like me, have
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Speaker 1: followed their inner guidance despite the resistance. Catherine, please share
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Speaker 1: with us your early path and how your intuitive gifts emerged.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. It's always a it's a loaded question,
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Speaker 2: isn't it, to put up put your history into a nutshell.
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Speaker 2: But I would say that from a very early age,
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Speaker 2: I mean, pre kindergarten, I would say I was just
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Speaker 2: extremely empathic and sensing the weather, the emotional weather, and
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Speaker 2: the energetic weather of everybody around me or and so
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Speaker 2: of course it made me more dramatic and emotional in
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Speaker 2: my parents' eyes. But I was always able to see
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Speaker 2: through what people were saying. If they said they were
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Speaker 2: fine and they weren't fine. You know, if somebody said, oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go do this, I might get more
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Speaker 2: of an overall global feeling of oh this is really
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Speaker 2: good for them, or oh geez, be careful, or so.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I was always reading that kind of pulse
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Speaker 2: on that level. And my neighbor there that I mentioned, Shelley,
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Speaker 2: she I think that's the first time I was ever
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Speaker 2: introduced anything like that. She brought over a big magic
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Speaker 2: eight ball and you shake it and you get your
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Speaker 2: yes no maybe. You know. We were pretty obsessed playing
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Speaker 2: with that and asking questions. And then somebody else introduced
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Speaker 2: us to like a needle and thread type divination where
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Speaker 2: you it'll swing one way for a boy and one
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Speaker 2: way for a girl, and you test it out to see,
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Speaker 2: you know, what kids you're going to have and what order,
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Speaker 2: and I remember that it worked on my mom, so
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Speaker 2: we were really impressed with that. Other than that, it
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Speaker 2: wasn't really until high school when I so I was
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Speaker 2: just always an introspective and analyzing kind of everything kid,
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Speaker 2: wanted to know why all the time and wouldn't settle
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Speaker 2: for less than the truth. So you know, that sets
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Speaker 2: you off on this path. I think. So by the
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Speaker 2: time I reached high school, obviously I could I could
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Speaker 2: read people a little better, I could sense more of
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Speaker 2: my intuition what was going on around me with people
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Speaker 2: around me. But it wasn't until I was around fifteen
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Speaker 2: in the you know, splitting up with the family and
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Speaker 2: the shopping mall and I ended up in Coohal's doesn't exist,
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Speaker 2: I guess now, and I remember that. I still remember
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Speaker 2: vividly the moment that I looked at an upper shelf
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Speaker 2: and saw an astrology book. I was like, what is
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Speaker 2: that and opened it up and found my birthday and
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Speaker 2: started reading. And it was like the first revelation of
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Speaker 2: anything that ever told me maybe who I was, because
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Speaker 2: I I didn't really feel like I fit in our
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Speaker 2: family in many ways, and astrology just down the road
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Speaker 2: turned out to validate all of this, because I'm a
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Speaker 2: cancer and a family full of air signs, you know.
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Speaker 2: And I just kept silently observing and silently gathering data
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Speaker 2: and studying it. Nobody knew that I was doing any
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Speaker 2: of this for about seven years, maybe, and it just
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Speaker 2: kept proving itself to be true. And so one of
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Speaker 2: the big turning points in my experiences. Besides, like you know,
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Speaker 2: a myriad of little intuitive things, it turned out to
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Speaker 2: be true with people. But I came to Montreal it
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Speaker 2: was nineteen ninety one and I met a Greek boyfriend
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Speaker 2: and he had tarot cards and I'd never seen them,
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Speaker 2: and I was just mesmerized and I never put them
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Speaker 2: down again. And he also brought me to an esoteric store,
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Speaker 2: and maybe a couple of years later, I ended up
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Speaker 2: working there for about fourteen years. And then he told me, oh,
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Speaker 2: I had to meet his friend Miriam that he worked
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Speaker 2: with because she was into astrology and art like me,
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Speaker 2: and he was working at a convenience store that was
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Speaker 2: open twenty four hours a day, and so he dragged
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Speaker 2: me there at three or four in the morning because
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Speaker 2: she was baking on the other side of the store
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Speaker 2: and too busy to talk. But I got to see
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Speaker 2: her face, and literally within about three weeks of that moment,
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Speaker 2: I stepped out on my back balcony and so did she,
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Speaker 2: and she was my next door neighbor, and we had
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Speaker 2: no idea, and from there on in she apprenticed me
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Speaker 2: in all this astrology and art things and cooking like
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Speaker 2: all kinds of things. She just mentored me, and so
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Speaker 2: I fast tracked and I kept going with these things,
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Speaker 2: started giving readings here and there, and eventually ended up
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Speaker 2: at this shop which was called the Melange Megque. And
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Speaker 2: then that really became the full on initiation because it
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Speaker 2: was a pagan shop and people were doing all manner
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Speaker 2: of everything in therea ceremonial magicians, but we also at
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Speaker 2: the beginning housed all the new age, all the self
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Speaker 2: help that was new because it's still the nineties, you know,
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Speaker 2: And it was just the best place I'd ever been
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Speaker 2: in my life. I think I was just surrounded by
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Speaker 2: like so many fascinating things to learn, and my intuition
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Speaker 2: grew stronger. I learned to name what was going on
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Speaker 2: with like the Claires, the Clare abilities, clairvoyance, Clare audience,
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Speaker 2: these were all just happening without me really knowing what
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Speaker 2: they were. And then I started to be able to
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Speaker 2: name what it was that was always happening. Same with
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Speaker 2: mediumship that just happened. I wasn't trying, and I didn't
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Speaker 2: know what a medium was until I told people what
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Speaker 2: kept happening to me. So in this way, I sort
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Speaker 2: of trust my process because I never went out craving
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Speaker 2: it naturally unfolding.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, would you describe which are the Clares do
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Speaker 1: you resonate with that you feel the most comfortable with.
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Speaker 2: The clairvoyance I think came the strongest at first. I'm
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Speaker 2: very visual, so I get flash visuals. Claire Audience definitely.
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Speaker 2: That took longer, but I was able to realize when
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Speaker 2: I was hearing something that didn't feel like mine in
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Speaker 2: my own head and Claire sentience for sure, because you
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Speaker 2: know that's how I grew up, just overall visceral emotional feeling, energy,
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Speaker 2: feeling great around some people, feeling ill in some places. Whatever.
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Speaker 2: It was like random physical sensations that would happen with
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Speaker 2: customers and then disappear when they left. Stuff like that.
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Speaker 2: Thank goodness. I'm glad I don't have the I forget
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Speaker 2: what it's called now, the one with the smell. I'm
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Speaker 2: sort of glad I don't have that one. Right, I'm
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Speaker 2: glad I don't have that one.
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Speaker 1: Was there anyone else in your family when you were
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Speaker 1: younger who aired your gifts? I know in many families
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Speaker 1: these gifts run, perhaps not spoken about, But did you
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Speaker 1: ever learn of any of them?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a funny. That's a funny thing because it
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Speaker 2: took them until maybe my forties before it's like, well, well,
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Speaker 2: we're like that too, We sense things like that too,
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Speaker 2: Like okay, well, nan, I never told me while I
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Speaker 2: was going through it as a kid. I think the
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Speaker 2: whole family's pretty intuitive. But just keeps it to ourselves.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I think maybe they wouldn't. I don't know, like nobody
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Speaker 2: really wants to talk about it that much. But I
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Speaker 2: they definitely can tap in and size things up and
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Speaker 2: read people pretty quickly. We've all been pretty good at that.
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Speaker 2: But I don't think anybody ventured into learning any of
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Speaker 2: these arts. I think they're a little bit nervous of
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Speaker 2: me still for it. But I still have a bit
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Speaker 2: of a mystery with one grandfather that I never I
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Speaker 2: never got to know. He died before I was born,
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Speaker 2: but he was born in England and he was a Freemason,
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Speaker 2: and we're talking about the late eighteen hundreds, so it's
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Speaker 2: very hard to say I've been. I was on a
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Speaker 2: bit of a mission with that to try to connect
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Speaker 2: and I went to England to see where he was from.
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Speaker 2: I connected with an occult store called the Atlantis book
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Speaker 2: Shop in England and she told me, you know, there's
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Speaker 2: a registry and you can go see whoever was a
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Speaker 2: Mason or not. And I said, well, I know he was.
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Speaker 2: It's just how do we know the ones that were
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Speaker 2: that were in it, who would have elected to study
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Speaker 2: the esoteric arts or not? And she said, you really
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Speaker 2: couldn't know, you know, And I always just sort of
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Speaker 2: had hoped that someone in the family maybe was paralleling this.
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Speaker 2: But I do have a couple of cousins an uncle
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Speaker 2: that grew up in a haunted house. They even had
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Speaker 2: brought someone in to it to have it cleared, and
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Speaker 2: it still didn't completely work. So I have two cousins
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Speaker 2: that used to sleep outside in the back in the
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Speaker 2: backyard or up in a treehouse because there were entities
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Speaker 2: in the house. And yeah, and finally about a year ago,
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Speaker 2: I got to visit one of them because now like
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Speaker 2: he's what maybe sixty, and I'm in my mid fifties,
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Speaker 2: finally we can talk about this, and he described what
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Speaker 2: he was seeing in his room. And then there's a
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Speaker 2: particular entity that was in this house because they grew
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Speaker 2: up in a house that was a former War of
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Speaker 2: eighteen twelve hospital and it was part of the underground railroad.
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Speaker 2: So there was a military general that was in one
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Speaker 2: of these bedrooms. And I remember they put me in
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Speaker 2: that room when I was visiting once, just to probably
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Speaker 2: test me out, and I saw this thing, this guy
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Speaker 2: standing over my bed all night long. And I finally
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Speaker 2: told his cousin and he said, yeah, and he's done
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Speaker 2: the research and he can name the guy. He knows
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Speaker 2: who it is, and he's had some esoteric experiences when
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Speaker 2: he was in the UK as well. So I think
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Speaker 2: I think many people have it. Do they ever meet
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Speaker 2: make it conscious? Do they study it? You know a
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Speaker 2: lot of people don't want to go there, and quite frankly,
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Speaker 2: but you can understand why, right, because changing your paradigm
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Speaker 2: is is a momentous thing psychologically in your life.
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Speaker 1: To that end, what advice would you offer to parent's
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Speaker 1: listening right now who have children that may be displaying
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Speaker 1: these gifts?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I do once in a
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Speaker 2: while get parents coming and it's you know, that's very
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Speaker 2: rewarding because if you can save somebody the pain, you know,
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Speaker 2: of going down all kinds of roads. I think that's
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Speaker 2: a lot of what motivates me to write these books is,
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Speaker 2: you know, to concretely put into words, what when you
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Speaker 2: can trust that things, these gifts or these things are
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Speaker 2: happening are real versus what is a sign of, let's say,
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Speaker 2: a psychosis you should worry about, or when do you
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Speaker 2: need There's been many people have come to me that
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Speaker 2: they've been diagnosed with all kinds of things doesn't mean
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Speaker 2: that they don't still have some of these gifts. So
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Speaker 2: like the advice to parents I guess to me would
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Speaker 2: be to try to explore in more detail with the
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Speaker 2: child what they're like, Believe them at first, you know,
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Speaker 2: explore what they're getting. You just want to make sure
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Speaker 2: that they're safe and they're not like you know, I've
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Speaker 2: met many people that brought me into their homes to
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Speaker 2: cleanse the energy of their home because the child is
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Speaker 2: seeing something in the room and that thing isn't necessarily good.
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Speaker 2: So we want to make sure we don't just go
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Speaker 2: open wide and yeah, talk to it. We don't know
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Speaker 2: what they're encountering. So to me, some protective things would
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Speaker 2: be to help them talk about it, help them maybe
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Speaker 2: draw it, but also to do meditation and like simple
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Speaker 2: kind of protection. Because a lot of kids, a lot
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Speaker 2: of parents that have come to me where the kids
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Speaker 2: see something in their room, I've I've very often guided
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Speaker 2: them to put something in the room that makes the
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Speaker 2: child feel safe. Some people it's religious, some people it's
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Speaker 2: a superhero or but if they put something in the
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Speaker 2: room that the child feels is strong enough to overpower
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Speaker 2: whatever might if they feel threatened by it. But if
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Speaker 2: it's like psychic gifts and they're reading other people, it's
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Speaker 2: just I should write a book just on that because
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Speaker 2: it's so hard, because socially, it's gonna be tough for anybody,
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Speaker 2: no matter how old you are, if you're seeing a
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Speaker 2: layer of stuff that most people don't really want to
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Speaker 2: confront or talk about. So I think the more you
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Speaker 2: believe them, or talk about it, or can validate, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you're right about Susie, but you know we're not gonna
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Speaker 2: tell Susie or everybody around her. But I can see
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Speaker 2: what you mean. One person to validate you can often
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Speaker 2: be enough.
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Speaker 1: You know, growing up in the nineteen fifties, when I
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Speaker 1: would relate to what I was seeing, sensing, or hearing
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Speaker 1: to my parents, I was told that I had an
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Speaker 1: over active imagination and shutting me down that way was
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Speaker 1: not a good thing to do, because I actually shut
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Speaker 1: down and didn't reopen until my mid to late thirties
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Speaker 1: when my path reopened. So my advice to parents would
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Speaker 1: be listen. Listen to what your kids have to say.
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Speaker 1: If it's something that seems very very common or calm
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Speaker 1: or something that's not frightening to them. Listen and encourage
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Speaker 1: them to relay what they're saying, but don't shut them down.
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Speaker 1: Don't shut them down. That's really too difficult. Before we
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Speaker 1: do agree, thank you. Before we discuss your new book,
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Speaker 1: Divination Rules, please share with us about your earlier books,
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Speaker 1: starting with a little bit of Intuition and introduction to
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Speaker 1: extrasensory perception. What inspired this book and what do you
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Speaker 1: share with readers.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I still love my little Intuition book. It was
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Speaker 2: just such a great way that it all happened as well,
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Speaker 2: because like it was sort of divine intervention that got
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Speaker 2: me this opportunity to write the book. And I wrote
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Speaker 2: that book in about eight days. It's literally channeled. It's
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Speaker 2: sort of like everything that I ever needed to say
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Speaker 2: that was just so clear that I was ready to
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Speaker 2: teach people just came bursting through like a birth or something.
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Speaker 2: So basically it's just it's a pretty clear I've been
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Speaker 2: told that it's very clear and easy to read, and
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Speaker 2: it's sort of like a textbook in a way for
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Speaker 2: what the claars are, what they aren't. When are you
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Speaker 2: what's the difference between projection and intuition, fantasy and intuition,
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Speaker 2: and fear and intuition, because in my experience, when when
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Speaker 2: intuition is accurate, it doesn't come with emotion. So most
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Speaker 2: of us go, oh, my gosh, I keep thinking about him,
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Speaker 2: it must mean he's thinking of me. It must mean
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Speaker 2: they're gonna call. It's like, no, no, that's not really.
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Speaker 2: If you're in an anxious state and you start going
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Speaker 2: maybe maybe maybe you're in a you're not in a centered,
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Speaker 2: mindful space to be actually receiving your intuition. So so
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Speaker 2: many people, I think do get intuitive moments, but on
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Speaker 2: one hand, they come without a big emotion. So you
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Speaker 2: might be washing the dishes and you go and you
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Speaker 2: just flash somebody's car and then I don't know, maybe
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Speaker 2: it stalls, and you're like, oh, so and so should
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Speaker 2: be careful of their car. Oh well, and you go
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Speaker 2: back to the dishes, and then you find out that
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Speaker 2: it happened. And the second thing is that a lot
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Speaker 2: of intuition that turns out to be accurate is very mundane.
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Speaker 2: Not every day is like you know, dramatic events. And
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Speaker 2: so I think a lot of times we have it
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Speaker 2: and we dismiss it or ignore it and it's all
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Speaker 2: those little ones that accumulate, you know, in our decisions
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Speaker 2: and who were around and navigating your life. You know,
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Speaker 2: if to me, the more you're in touch with that
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Speaker 2: subtle voice and you know when to when it's real
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Speaker 2: and when it could be you just wanting it to
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Speaker 2: be so or whatever, then you really have a great
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Speaker 2: tool to guide your life and your decision making process,
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Speaker 2: and you can start to really flow and navigate without
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Speaker 2: nearly as much strife or conflict. So I wanted to
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Speaker 2: give that, you know, discernment to people, a way to discern.
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Speaker 1: Your next book was entitled Vibes from the Other Side,
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Speaker 1: Accessing Your Spirit Guides and Other Beings from the Beyond.
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Speaker 1: How do you define spirit guides and does everyone have
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Speaker 1: the ability to connect with them?
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Speaker 2: Hm? Yes, spirit guides can be so many things. I think.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people generally sort of want
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Speaker 2: it to be, you know, a loved one that they knew,
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Speaker 2: like their granddad just passed, so he must be my
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Speaker 2: spirit guide now, like instantly sort of thing, which is
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Speaker 2: true in some cases, but it's not like a cookie
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Speaker 2: cutter recipe. Your your spirit guide could be you know,
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Speaker 2: anyone in your ancestry from any generation could be around you.
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Speaker 2: Your spirit guides can sometimes be in the animal world,
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Speaker 2: you know. I believe in in animal guides as well.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes they are beings from different dimensions. Sometimes they
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Speaker 2: are relationships from a past life, and I believe that
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Speaker 2: most of us have many or a few, and if
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Speaker 2: we can all connect to them, I'd say yes. But
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Speaker 2: I think it's it's I think it's very deep work unless,
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Speaker 2: like you said, unless somebody gets you know, a very
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Speaker 2: uh you know, a visceral experience where they're like they
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Speaker 2: feel visited, you know, or they and it's they can't
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Speaker 2: deny it. Otherwise, I think it's it's subtle, and it's
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Speaker 2: if they're always around. It's sort of like asking yourself,
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Speaker 2: well do I feel alone?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: Okay, well who's there? Then it's like, well is that me?
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Speaker 2: Is that? My higher self? Is that? And something else
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Speaker 2: around me? Is it a guide? You know? And it's
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Speaker 2: like a subtle thing of tuning in and it's like
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Speaker 2: building a relationship with it also because again we don't
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Speaker 2: want to crave having a spirit guide and go, oh,
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Speaker 2: it must be this thing. Well, no, it might be
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Speaker 2: a trickster entity, you know, don't want to listen, so
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Speaker 2: it really takes a long time. I found to be
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Speaker 2: sure that this is a consistent just like a person
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Speaker 2: that you know and you would know their voice anywhere.
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Speaker 2: You to me, you don't want to listen to a
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Speaker 2: guide unless it's like I would know that energy anywhere
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Speaker 2: is my guide, and until then I would be you know, listen,
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Speaker 2: but be weary of acting on it.
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Speaker 1: And who or what are the other beings from the beyond?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I know that wasn't my title. That's like the
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Speaker 2: marketing team puts that on there. Other beings from the beyond?
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Speaker 2: I think they were were referring to, you know, different
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Speaker 2: dimensional beings that can come through, like if you look
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Speaker 2: at something like star seeds or Arcturians or pleadians or angels,
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Speaker 2: things from other dimensions that can that can be around us.
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Speaker 2: And even I'm not going to pretend I know what
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Speaker 2: all of those are because I haven't encountered everything. You
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Speaker 2: know absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Sure thanks. So. My books are on mainly Amazon dot com,
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Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble Chapters, Indigo and if you're in the
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Speaker 2: UK they would be in Waterstones and as well as
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Speaker 2: some other good reads. It's pretty accessible in most places
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Speaker 2: you order online. And if you'd like to know more
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Speaker 2: about me, my website is River Dasherin dot com. And
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Speaker 2: I've got all kinds of stuff on my YouTube channel
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Speaker 2: if you want to listen to it as well, which
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Speaker 2: is Catherine Allen and.
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Speaker 1: Back on Box No US My guest this week as
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Speaker 1: Catherine Allen her brand new book Divination Rules, one hundred
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Speaker 1: Tips for Flawless Fortune Telling. Congratulations, your brand new book
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Speaker 1: was just published. You excited about it?
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Speaker 2: I'm very excited about this one because it's so ancient,
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Speaker 2: the practice of divination, and it's so different from culture
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Speaker 2: to culture, and it's just really it leads to just
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Speaker 2: amazing conversations. You know, it's vast really when you talk
24:32
Speaker 2: about one hundred different examples of it. And I taught
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Speaker 2: a course, an extracurricular course for MCGIL last year about divination,
24:42
Speaker 2: and we had a range of different people from different
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Speaker 2: countries and it became really rich to talk about some
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Speaker 2: of these things. You know, it put people in a
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Speaker 2: very pensive state as to like, why is it okay
24:57
Speaker 2: to use tarot cards in England but it's not in
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Speaker 2: I think this guy was from Saudi Arabia, but he said, oh, yes,
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Speaker 2: but we do use coffee and tea, like okay, So
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Speaker 2: you sort of ask yourself, why is that form of divination? Fine,
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Speaker 2: but cards are not? And why you know? And then
25:13
Speaker 2: it gets into a lot of history which I don't
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Speaker 2: pretend to know the history of the world, but it's
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Speaker 2: really fascinating. So I'm excited because I think the book
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Speaker 2: will open up a lot of really fun conversations and
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Speaker 2: some learning.
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Speaker 1: Share with us a little of the history of divination.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, really, divination is as old as
25:35
Speaker 2: as the planet. I think, honestly, there's just we've been
25:41
Speaker 2: using different methods for centuries and centuries to get a
25:44
Speaker 2: glimpse of potential future or a pattern regarding everything even
25:50
Speaker 2: related to survival. You know, some divination was ancient Egypt
25:56
Speaker 2: would have based that on the flow of the Nile.
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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of studying of astrology would have
26:03
Speaker 2: originated with observing the moon and observing the behavior and
26:08
Speaker 2: the tides before the ancient Greeks would have started to
26:12
Speaker 2: narrow it down with the Babylonians, even with the star
26:16
Speaker 2: patterns and who seems to fit into what behavior based
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Speaker 2: on when they're born in constellations, and it's centuries of evolution.
26:26
Speaker 2: You know that brought us to what we have now.
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Speaker 2: But you know, there's like, my goodness, it's so it's
26:36
Speaker 2: hard to describe a whole history of it. All I
26:38
Speaker 2: can tell you is we have always looked for some
26:40
Speaker 2: sort of signs. Whether you know, our crops are going
26:44
Speaker 2: to grow, We have to observe our environment. Is it
26:48
Speaker 2: a sign if the birds are acting a certain way,
26:51
Speaker 2: because that means we're going to get rain or we're not,
26:54
Speaker 2: which means we can feed ourselves for the winter or not.
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Speaker 2: You know, it really did go back to that at
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Speaker 2: the beginning, with throwing chicken bones or observing I don't know,
27:07
Speaker 2: I don't remember all the names of all the mancy
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Speaker 2: type of you know, of all of them, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: they exist for for most things in the natural world
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Speaker 2: on the survival level. Chicken bones and you can get
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Speaker 2: into astrology in taro chicken bones.
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Speaker 1: Would that be chick romancy?
27:28
Speaker 2: Maybe I have to look up.
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Speaker 1: And of course those who practice divination in certain cultures
27:35
Speaker 1: were considered to be very very special. You think of
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Speaker 1: the Oracles of Delphi for example, and how the leaders
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Speaker 1: would come to them and ask for information in terms
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Speaker 1: of wars, in terms of population, in terms of governance.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly, exactly, and yeah, that's the thing it was.
27:56
Speaker 2: I believe it was really with the UH. I believe
27:59
Speaker 2: it was Constantine that separated out UH these arts from
28:06
Speaker 2: what they would call science. You know, before you would
28:09
Speaker 2: have had you know, Socrates or whoever they or the
28:16
Speaker 2: scientists Kepler or whatever, they would have been studying astronomy
28:21
Speaker 2: as well, and some of them astrology. It would it
28:25
Speaker 2: was all together holistically until they separated it out with
28:30
Speaker 2: church and then they became heredit heretics, you know or
28:34
Speaker 2: like and and then and at the same time a
28:38
Speaker 2: lot of important people still consulted them. Like you said that,
28:43
Speaker 2: whether it was the Oracle of Delphi or Winston Churchill.
28:47
Speaker 2: I believe even it was Canada. I think he came
28:50
Speaker 2: up here to to consult an astrologer during the war
28:53
Speaker 2: for advice. People have always come to to readers on
28:58
Speaker 2: the shush, and then they want to sort of keep
29:01
Speaker 2: you in your little corner so they can like no
29:04
Speaker 2: one else gets the knowledge or something.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, the majority of the intuitive and psychic readers I
29:12
Speaker 1: have met are the genuine article and follow a strong
29:16
Speaker 1: code of ethics. What are some of the principles that
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Speaker 1: you follow and share in divination rules?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, actually the first ten or fifteen rules are actually
29:28
Speaker 2: related to ethics and respect. So I mean the primary
29:34
Speaker 2: number one is consent, you know. And it's something that
29:41
Speaker 2: I think TV shows has sort of given people this
29:49
Speaker 2: Hollywood or to me sort of unhealthy idea that you
29:53
Speaker 2: can just walk up to anybody in a grocery store
29:56
Speaker 2: and tap them on the shoulder and say, I see
29:58
Speaker 2: your grandmother around you. This is going to happen to
30:01
Speaker 2: you or and to me it's just saw it never
30:05
Speaker 2: sat well. Even if it's accurate, I don't really care
30:08
Speaker 2: because to me, you need to ask the person's permission
30:11
Speaker 2: because you just never know where people are at that day,
30:15
Speaker 2: whether one little detail you say is going to be
30:18
Speaker 2: so poignant that it brings them to tears or destabilizes
30:21
Speaker 2: them for the day. You know, So that consent is
30:25
Speaker 2: number one asking permission. And also that to me goes
30:30
Speaker 2: hand in hand with having a sacred space, having a private, respectful, clean,
30:36
Speaker 2: sacred space to do it in, you know too, because
30:40
Speaker 2: and you know that requires having a respect for these
30:43
Speaker 2: arts and taking them seriously, which in the in the
30:48
Speaker 2: end to me, is is taking other people's feelings and
30:52
Speaker 2: their lives seriously. It's not just you know, a game
30:57
Speaker 2: to be thrown around.
30:59
Speaker 1: You mentioned creating sacred space. How may this be done
31:03
Speaker 1: for doing this work?
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Well, I think first, first of all, it
31:09
Speaker 2: could be done. And I mean it's nice to have
31:12
Speaker 2: a special a special room that's just for that where
31:15
Speaker 2: you would build a certain kind of energy just in
31:17
Speaker 2: that area, but a lot of us don't. But I
31:20
Speaker 2: think we can certainly just start by respecting privacy. So
31:25
Speaker 2: you'd want to have a room that feels good, it's
31:30
Speaker 2: fairly clean and tidy, has good air, and you can
31:32
Speaker 2: shut the door and no one's going to interrupt you.
31:35
Speaker 2: But beyond that, you know, it would depend on what
31:39
Speaker 2: you identify with, for you know, cleansing rituals. Some people,
31:45
Speaker 2: I will personally burn sage. I know that that's also
31:48
Speaker 2: sometimes considered appropriation now, but I've been embraced by First
31:54
Speaker 2: Nations here, so I don't feel so guilty about burning
31:58
Speaker 2: the sage and it has it was given to me
32:01
Speaker 2: by a First Nations person in the first place to
32:05
Speaker 2: learn and so for me that will help bless and
32:09
Speaker 2: cleanse the space. But you know, lighting candles, having gemstones,
32:16
Speaker 2: any other kind of preparation that makes the room feel special,
32:24
Speaker 2: and just to again really respect people's privacy.
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Speaker 1: In my personal practice of using healing energy, I will
32:32
Speaker 1: also set the intention in the room that creates a
32:35
Speaker 1: healing environment and a compassionate environment.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's super important too. Yes, yeah, that's another aspect
32:44
Speaker 2: is some people, if they're trained in reiki or other
32:47
Speaker 2: kind of energy clearing, there's many ways to clear the
32:50
Speaker 2: energy of the room. But yes, like the intention is important.
32:54
Speaker 1: Many of us have had multiple careers and purposes throughout
32:59
Speaker 1: our lives. How may divination be used to identify our
33:03
Speaker 1: spiritual purpose and path?
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Speaker 2: Hmmm, Well, because it's sort of more my expertise. I'll
33:12
Speaker 2: I'm going to air on the the astrology, but it
33:16
Speaker 2: can be done in many different ways. People will get
33:19
Speaker 2: signs in many different ways, but I think astrology is
33:23
Speaker 2: is excellent for that because there's just such a history
33:26
Speaker 2: and richness of this language. Your your personal chart will
33:32
Speaker 2: will show if you're talking about life purpose and life
33:36
Speaker 2: lessons in a global sense, like in the big picture,
33:40
Speaker 2: we'd be looking at the north nodes, the north and
33:42
Speaker 2: the south node, which would indicate your past life and
33:45
Speaker 2: your future. That your your your life direction in this life.
33:51
Speaker 2: And it's very deep once you dive into Once you
33:54
Speaker 2: dive into that, and the end there's a there's always
34:00
Speaker 2: paradoxes and people's charts and some people's UH charts are
34:05
Speaker 2: going to sort of show that it's going to be
34:08
Speaker 2: a little harder for them to let go of that
34:10
Speaker 2: past life direction or what doing what they were doing before,
34:13
Speaker 2: and other people's are really propelling them to walk away
34:16
Speaker 2: into the into their future direction. And otherwise, you know,
34:25
Speaker 2: people can have dreams that they feel are so profound
34:31
Speaker 2: that it guides them to make a decision that changes
34:33
Speaker 2: their life. Mentors people that you meet again, there's there's
34:40
Speaker 2: always I think on everybody's path a few pivotal times,
34:45
Speaker 2: whether something comes to you through spirit, through study, through mentorship,
34:49
Speaker 2: through and experience, maybe you travel something that opens your paradigm,
34:55
Speaker 2: opens you to a different world. And you know, we
34:58
Speaker 2: always have the choice to to walk through the door
35:01
Speaker 2: or not. And if we do, you know, it's amazing
35:07
Speaker 2: what happens and the people that you meet and the
35:10
Speaker 2: learning that comes. But I don't know. I don't think
35:16
Speaker 2: there's some singular purpose why each person is here, like
35:19
Speaker 2: we all have that ideal like this is what you
35:22
Speaker 2: are and this is what you're here to do. I
35:24
Speaker 2: think there's lots of people who are here to do
35:27
Speaker 2: many things, or their role here on earth is not
35:31
Speaker 2: a recognizable title or something, or some are more sexy
35:37
Speaker 2: than others just culturally or where we're at in our evolution.
35:42
Speaker 2: You know, some of us are here to be listeners,
35:47
Speaker 2: right or whatever. So people want their purpose to be
35:52
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be like that, and then some status
35:55
Speaker 2: type of title or goddess or something, you know. I
36:00
Speaker 2: So that's where I like looking at the chart to
36:03
Speaker 2: give an idea of like what are you personally here
36:06
Speaker 2: to work on and grow towards in this life. Don't
36:08
Speaker 2: worry about society says you should or shouldn't be, or
36:12
Speaker 2: whether you're there on time or not sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: It's funny. There's a show that used to be on
36:17
Speaker 1: a Lucifer and one of the things that the Lucifer
36:21
Speaker 1: character would ask people what do you really want? And
36:25
Speaker 1: that's something that I've been teaching people. When I was
36:27
Speaker 1: in industry and working with people who work for me,
36:30
Speaker 1: I would say them, what do you really want to do?
36:33
Speaker 1: And if their desire and goal was something that had
36:35
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to do with the feel that they were
36:38
Speaker 1: currently working in, I said, how would you pursue that
36:41
Speaker 1: and give them an opportunity to realize they can reach
36:43
Speaker 1: out beyond what they're currently doing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, it's great you did that for people.
36:51
Speaker 1: You share in your book that we should be open
36:53
Speaker 1: to receiving information from unexpected sources. Please explain.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Well, yes, this is where the divination can
37:04
Speaker 2: get interesting. Maybe unexpected sources, maybe through the mouths of
37:11
Speaker 2: babes as they say, you know, maybe some kid is
37:14
Speaker 2: going to come up to you in the shopping mall
37:17
Speaker 2: and say something to you that they have no clue
37:20
Speaker 2: means something. The messages can come through anything you might get.
37:28
Speaker 2: I'll just share one sort of cool one that keeps
37:31
Speaker 2: happening to me, which is nice. Sometimes, you know, I've
37:35
Speaker 2: been single too long and you sort of wonder whether
37:39
Speaker 2: you're going to meet somebody. And I swear to God
37:41
Speaker 2: every once in a while I will see hearts that come.
37:46
Speaker 2: Sometimes the barista put a heart on my coffee. Sometimes
37:51
Speaker 2: a little acorn dropped down in front of my face
37:54
Speaker 2: as I was walking, and it had spliced in half,
37:57
Speaker 2: and the shape inside the acorn was a heart. There's
38:02
Speaker 2: and I've had all kinds of crazy things, like I
38:04
Speaker 2: lost some heart earrings and they came back to me.
38:06
Speaker 2: Somebody hung them on the tree beside where I wait
38:09
Speaker 2: for the bus because they found my earrings. And I
38:12
Speaker 2: always just take these as signs that they're you know,
38:15
Speaker 2: you are loved and don't worry about it. And so
38:22
Speaker 2: if you're open to what you observe and here, it
38:29
Speaker 2: can come from anybody. You know. We often think, oh,
38:32
Speaker 2: spiritual advice should come from from I don't know, a
38:36
Speaker 2: yogi or a guru or something. But as I said,
38:39
Speaker 2: maybe maybe it's a guy somebody passes by you on
38:43
Speaker 2: their truck on the highway and rolls down the window
38:46
Speaker 2: and says something to you that you never forgot. You know,
38:49
Speaker 2: you just never know. So it's it's to be open
38:52
Speaker 2: to like what strikes you, what makes you think, and
38:57
Speaker 2: don't worry about the source of it. It's like it
39:00
Speaker 2: to you. Listen, see what it gives you now.
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Speaker 1: Listening absolutely. One of the things that I've always shared
39:08
Speaker 1: is when I hear guidance a voice the Clare audience,
39:12
Speaker 1: if it's a soft voice giving me guidance, it's probably correct.
39:17
Speaker 1: If it's something shouting at me telling me to do
39:20
Speaker 1: it anyway, that's ego and it really has no place
39:23
Speaker 1: for us to follow. So listening for that, what they
39:26
Speaker 1: used to call the soft quiet voice within, is often
39:30
Speaker 1: for me at least, the greatest source of information.
39:33
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I'm sorry, Yeah, I totally agree. I
39:36
Speaker 2: just wanted to add one thing to that, because you yes,
39:39
Speaker 2: often even with the spirit guides question that you offered,
39:44
Speaker 2: it's the same thing. Spirit guides don't go, hey, I
39:48
Speaker 2: am your spirit guide, go do that. You know, no,
39:51
Speaker 2: it's not gonna Very often they just are stare, They're
39:54
Speaker 2: just standing there and they can give you a thumbs
39:56
Speaker 2: up or they shake their head yes or no. True guy, gentle,
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Speaker 2: I totally agree.
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Speaker 1: Back on Box Novus, My guest this week is Catherine Allen.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about her just published new book, Vivination Rules,
41:11
Speaker 1: one hundred Tips for Flawless Fortune Telling. My life has
41:16
Speaker 1: been blessed with synchronicities since childhood. Carl Jung defined synchronicities
41:22
Speaker 1: as meaningful coincidences without causal connection. How may awareness of
41:28
Speaker 1: these help us in our path?
41:31
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what a great question. I think synchronicities are
41:37
Speaker 2: one of those first gateways for people. Usually, like most
41:42
Speaker 2: of the time, there are synchronicities in life, and we're
41:44
Speaker 2: just not aware of them. And once you start to
41:47
Speaker 2: be aware of something being synchronous or a pattern, I
41:53
Speaker 2: find a lot of people that's when the lights go
41:55
Speaker 2: on and you you just see them like their eyes
41:57
Speaker 2: are flickering, and they don't know what to do with this,
41:59
Speaker 2: Like the world is than they thought. Sort of, So
42:03
Speaker 2: at this point in my life, because I know synchronicity
42:06
Speaker 2: means something. So there's periods of time we're all living whatever.
42:12
Speaker 2: You don't get many, you know, and then there's others
42:14
Speaker 2: where it's like, holy crap, there's so many things synchronistically
42:18
Speaker 2: coming to me. I think we just pay pay close
42:23
Speaker 2: attention in times when synchronous disease are happening, even more
42:29
Speaker 2: to what you're intuition, your gut, feeling, your dreams, your
42:33
Speaker 2: desires are telling you, Because to me, it's sort of
42:37
Speaker 2: a sign that you're connected or to something higher than yourself.
42:43
Speaker 2: You're on if you will, like for example, right now,
42:47
Speaker 2: I think one of the ones that people relate to
42:49
Speaker 2: the most is probably seeing the numbers. When you see
42:53
Speaker 2: when you're not trying, but you see one, one, one
42:55
Speaker 2: everywhere all week long, You're like, what the hell's going on?
42:59
Speaker 2: I find a lot of the time when people start
43:02
Speaker 2: to awaken their intuition or they're opening to another paradigm,
43:06
Speaker 2: they start to tell me they see the master numbers everywhere,
43:09
Speaker 2: the numbers, and there's I've been working with that. I've
43:12
Speaker 2: been noticing that for over twenty five thirty years or
43:15
Speaker 2: so now, and it waxes and ways. There's times when
43:19
Speaker 2: I don't see them, and there's times when okay, every day,
43:23
Speaker 2: twice a day flip, I look at the clock three
43:26
Speaker 2: thirty three, and I wasn't trying, and then I know, Okay,
43:30
Speaker 2: there's something big going on here. I should pay attention,
43:33
Speaker 2: I should ask my really trust my gut. And it
43:37
Speaker 2: makes me feel like I'm not alone. There's something going on.
43:42
Speaker 2: And so yeah, they're noticing synchronicities is game changing, I
43:48
Speaker 2: think for people.
43:49
Speaker 1: I've got to share with you that in the last
43:52
Speaker 1: especially the last ten to twelve years, I've had a
43:54
Speaker 1: number of major, major synchronicities, and I found that when
43:59
Speaker 1: I'm presented with the choice, I have three choices. Number one,
44:03
Speaker 1: I could dismiss it out of hand. Number two, I
44:05
Speaker 1: can say yes, but not right now, perhaps later. Or
44:09
Speaker 1: number three, if it's something that really resonates with me,
44:12
Speaker 1: I say yes with the capital why. And every time
44:15
Speaker 1: I have one with the capital why, the next one
44:18
Speaker 1: presents itself and the next one presents itself. I feel
44:21
Speaker 1: so blessed with all of these wonderful synchronicities that have
44:24
Speaker 1: come my way.
44:26
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, it's such a high well like when
44:30
Speaker 2: you spot them and when you are ready to say yes. Yeah,
44:34
Speaker 2: it can bring you on such a fast track. Eh. Absolutely,
44:38
Speaker 2: it's incredible. Yeah, you can leap frog literally absolutely when
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Speaker 2: you're trusting the flow like that.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, let's discuss some of the other tools of divination.
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Speaker 1: You talked about astrology. Let's talk about taro. What advice
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Speaker 1: do you offer beginners in learning to select and use
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Speaker 1: a deck?
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Speaker 2: Mmm. Yes, I mean the classic deck people learn with
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Speaker 2: would be the writer Weight, and it's a great one
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Speaker 2: to start with, and I mean it was designed with
45:09
Speaker 2: the same knowledge of the Hermetic Society's the Golden Dawn
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Speaker 2: that other decks are designed with, but it was designed
45:18
Speaker 2: for the masses, you know, so it was pictorial. So
45:22
Speaker 2: it makes the wisdom a little easier to digest for
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Speaker 2: a beginner. But if they do want to study it further,
45:31
Speaker 2: all of the depth is there. But I also tell people,
45:36
Speaker 2: you're going to be looking at this an awful lot
45:39
Speaker 2: as you learn, So if you don't resonate with the imagery,
45:43
Speaker 2: you're probably not going to want to learn it so much, right,
45:46
Speaker 2: you might not stick with it. It's like if I
45:47
Speaker 2: told you to learn an instrument and told you to
45:50
Speaker 2: play a song, you don't like what, you're not going
45:52
Speaker 2: to practice. So some of it, I think because there's
45:56
Speaker 2: so many decks that are based off of the writer weight,
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Speaker 2: and there's many great uh, there's so many that honest honestly,
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Speaker 2: like I would choose the one that you feel the
46:09
Speaker 2: most inspired by. If you're going to be looking at
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Speaker 2: this thing a lot for the next year, at least
46:16
Speaker 2: that you that you really are inspired and feel mesmerized
46:20
Speaker 2: or like it's intriguing, or you feel like you're constantly
46:23
Speaker 2: learning from that deck. There's many that are pretty, but
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Speaker 2: they might not speak to you. They're they're more like artwork.
46:30
Speaker 2: So it really has to bring you alive when you're
46:33
Speaker 2: looking at that imagery, to connect to it.
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Speaker 1: What clues and information may we find in our hands?
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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Yeah, palmistry is a really ancient art. We
46:50
Speaker 2: can tell a lot about the health of the person
46:52
Speaker 2: in their hands, which is probably why a lot of
46:55
Speaker 2: a lot of us don't really pursue palmistry, because because
47:00
Speaker 2: a lot of people feel uncomfortable with what they see.
47:03
Speaker 2: You can see the lifespan, you can see whether there'll
47:06
Speaker 2: be an illness at sixty five, you can see whether
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Speaker 2: the person is likely to have children or not, you know,
47:13
Speaker 2: and how the person might react to that stuff. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: as to the best of my knowledge, that are hand
47:21
Speaker 2: lines do not change in this life. So it's really
47:27
Speaker 2: you're looking at a picture of the whole life at once.
47:34
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not an expert. I learned a little
47:37
Speaker 2: bit here and there, but yeah, there's it's incredibly detailed.
47:42
Speaker 2: There's there's certain markings that we look for, let's say
47:44
Speaker 2: for healers, for for psychics, there's certain markings for you know,
47:50
Speaker 2: on the other end, of the spectrum for like psychopaths
47:54
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. There's there's a yeah. And I
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Speaker 2: mean if you're studying the hands and you you know
48:04
Speaker 2: anything about it, then you'll be able to get like
48:08
Speaker 2: almost a fast track of knowledge if if you see
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Speaker 2: somebody's hand, so it puts you in a position. Let's
48:14
Speaker 2: just say, have a lot of responsibility with the palmistry.
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Speaker 1: What other divination tools do you share in divination rules?
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Speaker 2: Oh, there's many many, But pendulum would be another one
48:29
Speaker 2: that we use and they've used them for centuries, like
48:33
Speaker 2: ancient Egypt, China, Middle Ages, seventeenth century Europe. They would
48:39
Speaker 2: have used, you know, the pendulums for dowsing, so they
48:42
Speaker 2: would be looking for water sources, tributaries, under the under
48:48
Speaker 2: the grounds, to know where to dig a well, you know,
48:51
Speaker 2: or they use them to find lost objects. Now, of
48:54
Speaker 2: course people use them for is he gonna call me?
48:57
Speaker 2: You know? But they were they are original used again
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Speaker 2: for to I would say most likely the dowsing is
49:08
Speaker 2: the biggest one with like trying to understand the land
49:10
Speaker 2: that they were on, the energy of the land, where
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Speaker 2: to build, where to dig, where to where to plant?
49:18
Speaker 2: And uh, of course there's many beautiful gemstones, and you
49:21
Speaker 2: have to check like which one is moving the most
49:26
Speaker 2: for you, like do your hands heat up, does the
49:29
Speaker 2: does the stone swing much or is it barely moving?
49:33
Speaker 2: And you have to get to know your pendulum. And
49:38
Speaker 2: another really fun one, again an ancient one is bibliomancy,
49:43
Speaker 2: and anybody can do that. Now I've done that. Whenever
49:46
Speaker 2: I used to buy a book, I used to do
49:48
Speaker 2: bibliomancy without knowing. It was called that you just randomly
49:52
Speaker 2: open a page and read the first line you point to,
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Speaker 2: and that's your message. I used to go to the
49:57
Speaker 2: bookstore and go, I don't know if I should buy
49:59
Speaker 2: this one or that when, and I would randomly flip
50:02
Speaker 2: or hear a number in my head, go to that
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Speaker 2: page and point and if that line spoke to me,
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Speaker 2: I bought the book. But we can do it for
50:11
Speaker 2: other messages. And you know, it goes back to ancient Greece,
50:14
Speaker 2: even the second century BCE, people would go and randomly
50:18
Speaker 2: select from Homer's Odyssey to protict their futures. No, so
50:23
Speaker 2: it all depends what you're doing it with what your
50:26
Speaker 2: book is, obviously, but yeah, it's it's quite amazing.
50:33
Speaker 1: And what about tea leaves, Yes, Tea.
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Speaker 2: Lea freeding is also, yeah, ancient tea and coffee grounds,
50:42
Speaker 2: and that's a really fun one as well. And there's
50:45
Speaker 2: there's a you know, a tradition of how you you
50:48
Speaker 2: sit and brew the tea and then you drink it
50:51
Speaker 2: till it's got a little bit of water left, and
50:53
Speaker 2: then you spin it around the cup and roll your
50:56
Speaker 2: cup slowly and let the leaves just sort of stick
50:58
Speaker 2: where they will. And then finally you have the cup
51:02
Speaker 2: sort of at a right angle with a handle at
51:04
Speaker 2: the bottom, and drink your last sip and then let
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Speaker 2: the cup dry, turn it over and let it dry,
51:10
Speaker 2: and then you interpreting again symbols that you see in
51:16
Speaker 2: the cup, and I'm sure a lot of people who
51:20
Speaker 2: have channeling abilities probably started to channel the energy of
51:24
Speaker 2: the person from those formations, and then other people could
51:28
Speaker 2: just itemize, well, I see a bird, birds mean this,
51:32
Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, even even what different symbols mean
51:37
Speaker 2: can change culturally as well, you know, even different colors
51:43
Speaker 2: mean different things in different cultures. So it's that's where
51:47
Speaker 2: it gets really interesting. Who's reading the cup and for whom. Yeah,
51:52
Speaker 2: it's a very interesting one.
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Speaker 1: And information can be extracted from our names.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's another old one. Yeah, you can do
52:05
Speaker 2: the well there there's meanings given to most names. I'm
52:10
Speaker 2: not sure who did the original name book. Was it
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Speaker 2: going back to Judaism?
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Speaker 1: Probably Cabala.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But you can do the numerology of your
52:23
Speaker 2: name as well, based on a number for every letter
52:28
Speaker 2: and add up your first name. You can add up
52:31
Speaker 2: the whole name. But it's interesting to break it down
52:34
Speaker 2: and see, well, what was your last name, because that's
52:37
Speaker 2: what you carry with your generations of that name, that
52:40
Speaker 2: numerology or that meaning, and when you put them together,
52:45
Speaker 2: it can be pretty fascinating. I know that my name
52:51
Speaker 2: Catherine is means purity in many cultures, I believe Greek
52:57
Speaker 2: and uh Alan. I think was something about being smiley
53:03
Speaker 2: or happy or something like that. I have to look
53:04
Speaker 2: it up again. I remember it was just like a happy,
53:06
Speaker 2: go lucky thing, wonderful and yeah.
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Speaker 1: What would you like readers to take away from divination rules?
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Speaker 2: Oh? What I would love is that they connect to
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Speaker 2: maybe a number of them that speak to them, hopefully
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Speaker 2: at least one that they would actually start to use
53:30
Speaker 2: and implement and start to open that gateway to seeing
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Speaker 2: the mysteries of the world and to seeing the symbolism
53:40
Speaker 2: and the synchronicities that happened every day. On the other hand,
53:43
Speaker 2: it would be great if the takeaway is just, you know,
53:47
Speaker 2: a respect for how pervasive this has been through our culture,
53:52
Speaker 2: ancient and today.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, my guest Catherine Allen her brand new book Dive
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Speaker 1: Nation Rules one hundred Tips for Flawless Fortune Telling. Catherine,
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Speaker 1: one more time, please share with our listeners where they
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Speaker 1: can get all of your books and find out more
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Speaker 1: about you.
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Speaker 2: Sure. Thanks. The books are available at most outlets online,
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Speaker 2: but for sure Amazon dot com, Barnes and Noble Chapters
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Speaker 2: into Go and if you're in the UK, Waterstones also.
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Speaker 2: I believe they're on good Reads, but you can check
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Speaker 2: most online sources will have them otherwise. My website is
54:29
Speaker 2: Riverdashrain dot com and I have a YouTube channel as
54:35
Speaker 2: well that you can go visit. And I do astrology
54:38
Speaker 2: and taro for every new and full moon.
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Speaker 1: And what do you offer on your website?
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Speaker 2: On the website, I offer a lot of various styles
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Speaker 2: of readings, so you can have tarot clairvoyance because I,
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Speaker 2: as I use the taro, I can't help but see
54:57
Speaker 2: clairvoyantly as well, so it's a combo of channeling and tarot.
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Speaker 2: I have channeled readings which I use the person's photo
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Speaker 2: and birthday and only and I've never met you, and
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Speaker 2: I will just channel whatever I get and then I
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Speaker 2: come to the reading with my notes and then the
55:17
Speaker 2: person can ask other things. I'm also offering reiki and
55:23
Speaker 2: sound healing if you're in my area, well, reiki can
55:27
Speaker 2: be at a distance. And then the last thing I've
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Speaker 2: added is I'm calling it Tarot coaching because a lot
55:34
Speaker 2: of times people are looking for a way to help
55:39
Speaker 2: sort of unpack a certain issue after a reading, and
55:43
Speaker 2: it's sort of like therapy with tarot cards. I'll do
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Speaker 2: a lot of listening and there's still a couple of cards,
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Speaker 2: but it's not really predictive. It's more to help coach
55:51
Speaker 2: you through or unpack whatever comes up during the reading.
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Speaker 2: And I also have intuition coaching programs as well for
55:57
Speaker 2: those that want to develop the gifts based on my book.
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Speaker 1: Catherine, thank you so much for joining us and sharing
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Speaker 1: your experience and wisdom.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, and this was great. I enjoyed talking to
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Speaker 2: you all, was Victor, so I appreciate this very much.
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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us on Vox Novius. I'm Victor,
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Speaker 1: the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.