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With Great Power #263... 22 Panels with Moritz Junker · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:00
  Tad Eggleston: There we go.
• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to 22 Panels. My guest today is… I'm gonna hope that I pronounced this right. I think I asked how to pronounce it, at,
• 0:14
  Tad Eggleston: In Minneapolis, and then I forgot to before we started here. Moritz Yunker?
• 0:19
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah, you gotta…
• 0:20
  Tad Eggleston: Hey! Perfect.
• 0:21
  Moritz Junker: Nice.
• 0:23
  Moritz Junker: Most people don't, you know.
• 0:25
  Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, I have Norwegian blood, so, you know.
• 0:29
  Moritz Junker: Nice.
• 0:32
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, Moritz is, trying to think…
• 0:38
  Tad Eggleston: You might not be the youngest guest we've had, because we had a…
• 0:44
  Tad Eggleston: guest that was 16 when we talked to him 3 years ago, so I think…
• 0:53
  Moritz Junker: That's when I was 16, so…
• 0:54
  Tad Eggleston: -Oh, so I would have to find out… I would have to find out when his birthday was, yeah, so you're right in the wrong…
• 1:01
  Moritz Junker: Right. So…
• 1:03
  Tad Eggleston: I have no idea. I haven't talked to him since then. It was right after we started the podcast, and my wife bumped into him at, like, a craft fair where he was selling the…
• 1:13
  Tad Eggleston: Graphic novel that he'd worked as a…
• 1:16
  Moritz Junker: What? That's cool.
• 1:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I mean… No offense to him.
• 1:22
  Tad Eggleston: And I have his later ones, too, and he gets better each time. But you're much more polished than he is, but he decided he wanted to do the full, like, 130-page thing, so he, like, worked…
• 1:37
  Tad Eggleston: The summer as a lifeguard to raise the money to print.
• 1:41
  Moritz Junker: Dang, okay.
• 1:42
  Tad Eggleston: Like, 500 copies of, like, a manga-sized book.
• 1:47
  Moritz Junker: Shit, okay. So he's prolific, though.
• 1:51
  Moritz Junker: That's cool. I mean…
• 1:52
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but… but… again, particularly with that first one, you know, he was still learning a lot about panel design and
• 2:03
  Tad Eggleston: It was very loose.
• 2:05
  Moritz Junker: Okay.
• 2:07
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, you know, it's one of those where, where…
• 2:10
  Moritz Junker: So I'm… I'm…
• 2:11
  Tad Eggleston: No offense to him.
• 2:12
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, she's still…
• 2:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no offense to him if he's still listening, and I like his newest book significantly and keep meaning to reach out.
• 2:22
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, your stuff is much more polished than his stuff was. It's clear. And even he talked about it. He'd read some manga, he hadn't actually read a lot of comic books, he hadn't studied how to make comic books, he just had this story in his head, and he started drawing it on paper, and then he made it… so, like.
• 2:39
  Tad Eggleston: For that, it was amazing, but I look at your stuff, and it's clear that, like, you've studied comics. You may have read Scott McCloud. You certainly have. You know what I mean?
• 2:53
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah. No, I get what you're saying.
• 2:56
  Tad Eggleston: So, you know, I will definitely get into the books, because I enjoyed them, but I feel like you're young enough that I… and don't take that as a dig, because, like, being young is cool. Being young and, like.
• 3:11
  Tad Eggleston: Having talent is even cooler, because, like…
• 3:14
  Tad Eggleston: The craft is the hard part, and you still have lots and lots of time to continue to build your craft. Thanks, yeah.
• 3:21
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 3:22
  Tad Eggleston: How… how'd you… how'd you get?
• 3:26
  Tad Eggleston: involved? How'd you… how'd you start making comics for yourself, I assume for your friends, and then stapling them together, and tabling places, and selling them to people?
• 3:35
  Tad Eggleston: Give me, give me… I mean, I, I normally…
• 3:39
  Moritz Junker: I kind of described it right there, but…
• 3:41
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah, but I normally ask for the comic's autobiography, and I… and I'm still gonna do that,
• 3:48
  Tad Eggleston: But you can give me a little bit more bibliography than I normally ask for here. But, like, when did you get into comics?
• 3:57
  Tad Eggleston: what made you fall in love with that? You know, if you can remember the first comic that you read a lot of, what was that? If you can remember the first comic that you bought, what was that? What was the comic that made you go, oh, wait a minute, I can do this.
• 4:10
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 4:11
  Tad Eggleston: And then… and then when did you cross the line from, oh, I'd love to make comics when I grow up, to, oh, fuck that, I'm gonna make comics right now?
• 4:20
  Moritz Junker: Oh, shit, okay. Okay, I think early…
• 4:25
  Moritz Junker: I mean, I was always… I always drew a lot, as a kid. My… My mom, like, always brought…
• 4:31
  Moritz Junker: I don't know, gave me, like, crayons and paper and art supplies and stuff, so she really enabled that.
• 4:39
  Moritz Junker: I don't know, I read a lot of…
• 4:41
  Tad Eggleston: Only known you were gonna grow up to make no money.
• 4:44
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, pretty much. Well, you know, she's a social worker, so…
• 4:48
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
• 4:49
  Tad Eggleston: She did know that you were gonna grow up to make no money, but she knew that money wasn't the most important.
• 4:55
  Moritz Junker: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so they understand it.
• 5:00
  Tad Eggleston: As a special ed teacher, I have a great appreciation for social…
• 5:04
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 5:05
  Tad Eggleston: We're in that same.
• 5:08
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, but yeah, so I read… I read a lot of Calvin Hobbes as a kid.
• 5:15
  Tad Eggleston: I love Covenant Hobbs.
• 5:18
  Moritz Junker: She's into that. I don't think I understood that a lot when I read.
• 5:22
  Tad Eggleston: Well, you understood parts of it.
• 5:23
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, definitely.
• 5:25
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's one of the beauties of Calvin and Hobbes, is, like, there's the element that's for the little kid, and then there's the element that's for the parent.
• 5:34
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 5:34
  Tad Eggleston: It's so completely designed to be read together.
• 5:39
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, it's pretty great.
• 5:41
  Moritz Junker: It's still probably one of my favorite comics.
• 5:43
  Tad Eggleston: That's so amazing.
• 5:45
  Moritz Junker: I read, like…
• 5:47
  Tad Eggleston: I really hate it every couple of years or so.
• 5:49
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, my, I read… Like, Bone? Like, Jeff Smith?
• 5:55
  Moritz Junker: I'm like… I feel pretty fortunate to be…
• 5:59
  Moritz Junker: like, young enough where that was, like, a book for kids already, like…
• 6:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 6:03
  Moritz Junker: you know.
• 6:04
  Tad Eggleston: See, I was a young adult when it was a book for young adults.
• 6:09
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, that's…
• 6:10
  Tad Eggleston: Coming out individually.
• 6:11
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 6:12
  Tad Eggleston: I've talked to them about that transition, because, like, Scholastic called them, and they're like, we want to kick off our kids' lunch.
• 6:21
  Tad Eggleston: And he's like, he's like, like, you know it's not a kid's book, right? No, we think it'd be great for this market. I've been done with Bone for 10 years. I'm not going back to edit it. You take it as is, or we don't do it.
• 6:33
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I know.
• 6:33
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, it's perfect!
• 6:35
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, it's like, I don't know, I'm really glad it was, too, like, the same.
• 6:39
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 6:40
  Moritz Junker: That's how he, like, made.
• 6:41
  Tad Eggleston: You know what I know.
• 6:42
  Moritz Junker: Because there were, like, a lot of… like, when I was, like.
• 6:45
  Moritz Junker: I don't know, in elementary school, I feel like there were a lot of graphic novels and stuff already marketed towards kids, but I kind of…
• 6:53
  Moritz Junker: I gravitated to Bone, because it was, like, a lot better than a lot of the other stuff for kids, so I don't know, like…
• 6:59
  Moritz Junker: It's… yeah, it's also still one of my favorites, I think.
• 7:02
  Tad Eggleston: It should be.
• 7:04
  Tad Eggleston: And, and now, now you need to put the Billy Ireland cartoon
• 7:09
  Tad Eggleston: library and museum on your bucket list, because they have page 1 on the wall.
• 7:15
  Moritz Junker: Oh, cool.
• 7:17
  Tad Eggleston: Jeff went to Ohio State, so, like, he did work at the Billy Island, and actually this weekend, they're having Cartoon Crossroads, which is his con, the one that he found.
• 7:29
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 7:30
  Tad Eggleston: Now.
• 7:30
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:31
  Tad Eggleston: be out there.
• 7:32
  Moritz Junker: What about this? Okay, cool.
• 7:33
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, no, Jeff is,
• 7:36
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know if I can quite call Jeff a friend, though he's called me his friend. He's a really cool guy. You should go out there just to meet Jeff.
• 7:43
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I do… I do really want to meet him. I… I drove through Columbus one time when I was, like, 10, and I was…
• 7:51
  Moritz Junker: like, we went to a comic book store, and I was like, oh, they have… why do they have so much bone stuff? And then I was like.
• 7:55
  Tad Eggleston: Was it the what… was it… was it a laughing ogre? Did they have the big bone statue?
• 8:01
  Moritz Junker: No, I wouldn't want to do that.
• 8:03
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 8:03
  Moritz Junker: No, that would have been nice.
• 8:05
  Tad Eggleston: The Laughing Ogre has, like… A 4-foot-tall phone bone statue.
• 8:11
  Tad Eggleston: As you walk in.
• 8:14
  Moritz Junker: Okay, that's awesome.
• 8:17
  Moritz Junker: Oh, save that.
• 8:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 8:21
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, yeah, cool. Yeah, yeah.
• 8:26
  Moritz Junker: And then, my dad had a bunch of…
• 8:29
  Moritz Junker: Like, Matt Groening, Life in Hell comics.
• 8:31
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 8:32
  Moritz Junker: So, I don't know, I've always been really into that, too. That was probably.
• 8:36
  Tad Eggleston: My wife's the massive Simpsons fan, so I have.
• 8:39
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 8:40
  Tad Eggleston: I have… I have graining all around me.
• 8:44
  Moritz Junker: Yeah. Yeah, I'm a big Simpson fan. Like, I guess that was also kind of… like, that's not a comic, but…
• 8:50
  Moritz Junker: adjacent, and I really like that.
• 8:53
  Tad Eggleston: Like, cartoons and comics are… are… are… wed together. They're like cousins.
• 9:03
  Moritz Junker: Yeah. If that makes sense. Yeah, no, I get what you mean.
• 9:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:09
  Tad Eggleston: So, so we go through grading, and… and when…
• 9:15
  Tad Eggleston: That feels like we're at, like, 10 or 11.
• 9:19
  Moritz Junker: Oh, probably, like, middle school.
• 9:21
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, and I understand that 10 or 11 is, like, what?
• 9:25
  Tad Eggleston: 10 years ago?
• 9:26
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 9:27
  Tad Eggleston: A little less.
• 9:28
  Moritz Junker: Like, 8 or 9, I guess, yeah.
• 9:33
  Tad Eggleston: God, you're not even old enough to drink yet, are you?
• 9:36
  Moritz Junker: No.
• 9:38
  Moritz Junker: Of…
• 9:40
  Tad Eggleston: I've done the math in my head, yeah, 2006, you're only 19.
• 9:46
  Moritz Junker: Yeah,
• 9:51
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 9:52
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, like, you're probably getting to about the point where you're developing a habit that's yours rather than passed down from your parents. Do you remember what you bought first?
• 10:03
  Tad Eggleston: Or if there was a shop that you went to, or anything like that.
• 10:07
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I feel like in…
• 10:11
  Moritz Junker: I kind of took a break from comics in, like, middle school, or, like, not…
• 10:15
  Tad Eggleston: You went and found girls, was it… No, I mean, that's the story that everybody gives you.
• 10:20
  Moritz Junker: That was, like…
• 10:21
  Tad Eggleston: found girls and music and comics weren't cool anymore until I got to college.
• 10:27
  Moritz Junker: No, that took, like…
• 10:29
  Tad Eggleston: No, that was, like, that was, that was…
• 10:31
  Moritz Junker: That was with comics. That was a while later, yeah.
• 10:34
  Tad Eggleston: We're back with comics.
• 10:35
  Moritz Junker: I was with comics for… For a while. Like, until a couple months ago, I guess, no.
• 10:43
  Tad Eggleston: I was just trying to, like, condense the average cartoonist's life into 19 years.
• 10:50
  Moritz Junker: No, yeah, I get you. No, I like…
• 10:53
  Moritz Junker: I, you know, I didn't really… I was never into superhero comics, and I felt like…
• 10:58
  Moritz Junker: stuff I was into. Yeah, it was…
• 11:01
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I don't know, like, I like Bowen a lot, and I like…
• 11:03
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 11:04
  Moritz Junker: the stuff I.
• 11:05
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and that actually, in some ways, makes you, like, just the wrong age, because at that age that you might have graduated from Bowen into other things.
• 11:14
  Tad Eggleston: Vertigo was past its heyday, and Image hadn't hit its stride yet.
• 11:20
  Moritz Junker: Hmm. Okay.
• 11:23
  Tad Eggleston: Cause, cuz…
• 11:23
  Moritz Junker: And when did image is tried.
• 11:26
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Image was starting to hit a stride by the time you were born, but I would say, like, 2015 is when I… when, like, you would start finding almost everything that you might like. So I guess you were 9, but…
• 11:38
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 11:39
  Tad Eggleston: So much of it was still, like, too old for you.
• 11:42
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 11:43
  Tad Eggleston: So there wasn't, like, that easy transition for you. Yeah. You didn't have, like, the dreaming, or even Sandman, I mean, they were all.
• 11:52
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, I shouldn'.
• 11:53
  Tad Eggleston: But they weren't coming out.
• 11:56
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 11:57
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 11:58
  Tad Eggleston: Because that was, like, the natural progression for a lot of people.
• 12:02
  Tad Eggleston: when I was young, was like, oh, I'm just old enough that maybe I can handle some occult in my books. There's this, and there's that. Oh, now my parents won't freak out if there's a little drug use or sex in my books. There's this, and there's that.
• 12:19
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 12:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 12:23
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah, I… I mean, well…
• 12:26
  Tad Eggleston: Though you also probably… I mean, did you float into manga at all, or were there other YA graphic novels? Because there have been a lot of great YA graphic novels, just…
• 12:37
  Tad Eggleston: Not necessarily the ones that are the good…
• 12:41
  Tad Eggleston: Good jump from Bone, because Bone is that epic fantasy.
• 12:45
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 12:47
  Tad Eggleston: And I think you've got, what, the Dragon something books? My wife's read them and says they're pretty good, but I haven't read them yet. And they feel like, when I glance at them, it's like, oh, like, if you haven't read Bone yet, you read this and you go, oh, this is pretty cool, and then you read Bone.
• 13:04
  Moritz Junker: Yeah. Well, and I wasn't really that into the fantasy part of what.
• 13:08
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 13:08
  Moritz Junker: Like, I kinda liked the… Like, the humor and the…
• 13:12
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 13:12
  Moritz Junker: character, like, the funny little dudes. I read, I read, like, Usagi, the samurai rabbit, a lot.
• 13:20
  Tad Eggleston: Usagi.
• 13:20
  Moritz Junker: I like that, still a lot. Yeah.
• 13:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:24
  Moritz Junker: But, I think middle school, I kinda…
• 13:27
  Moritz Junker: I didn't really read that many comics. I, like.
• 13:29
  Moritz Junker: went on the internet more, just, like, looked at, like, animations, and I was kind of… thought maybe I would do, like, stop-motion or something, I was really into that. Like, stop-motion animation, and I was really into…
• 13:42
  Moritz Junker: That kind of thing, and then…
• 13:43
  Moritz Junker: when I was, like, 14 or 15, I, like, found, like, a Robert Crone book at Half Price Books.
• 13:49
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 13:50
  Moritz Junker: And then, like, from there, I got really into, like, The, like, phantographic.
• 13:54
  Tad Eggleston: Hit it under your bed because you didn't want mom to know… No, they were cool, they didn't care. Okay.
• 14:01
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah, no, so, like, I don't know.
• 14:05
  Moritz Junker: They were like, oh, yeah, my parents were like, oh yeah, we saw the documentary about him when that came out. I was like, yeah, it's cool. They were like, yeah. No, they're really…
• 14:16
  Moritz Junker: They're very laid back, I don't know.
• 14:17
  Tad Eggleston: That's always good. I'm laid back, too, but I always assume that parents aren't, because I had so many parents around me, they're like, you let your son read this? And it's like…
• 14:27
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Huh?
• 14:28
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 14:29
  Tad Eggleston: No problem with your kids watching movies with massive amounts of gratuitous violence.
• 14:35
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 14:35
  Tad Eggleston: I hope he'll have sex in his life, so, like…
• 14:38
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 14:39
  Tad Eggleston: in a book?
• 14:40
  Tad Eggleston: We can talk about it.
• 14:42
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 14:42
  Tad Eggleston: this violence, I'm really kind of hoping. He never does.
• 14:45
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 14:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, goodbye.
• 14:47
  Moritz Junker: Good point, yeah.
• 14:49
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm willing to have that conversation with him as well, but I'm hoping it's not as important.
• 14:56
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, that's… good point, yeah.
• 15:00
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, so…
• 15:01
  Tad Eggleston: That's the single biggest thing that I've never understood about American parents. I've heard that the Europeans are better about that, and, like, more open with…
• 15:10
  Moritz Junker: And my dad's from Germany, also.
• 15:12
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 15:13
  Moritz Junker: Maybe that's part of it, I don't know.
• 15:14
  Tad Eggleston: There you go.
• 15:15
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 15:16
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I don't know, they… I don't know, they're…
• 15:18
  Moritz Junker: They don't really care, they didn't.
• 15:21
  Moritz Junker: They're into their stuff, I guess.
• 15:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's good. Yeah. So, Usagi, Robert Crum.
• 15:27
  Moritz Junker: Yep.
• 15:29
  Tad Eggleston: When did you start, like, looking for stuff, or I'm assuming that you have. I suddenly realized that you're young enough that I might be asking questions that make you go, oh, this is something I should think of, rather than, oh, this is something that I've done.
• 15:43
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, you said you stumbled across Robert Crum at Half Price Books. When did you start, like, seeking out specific things, and what were the things that you were looking for?
• 15:54
  Moritz Junker: I think… So I, like, I read…
• 15:58
  Moritz Junker: like, yeah, I found a Robert Crumb book, and I read that, and then I was like, I need to read more, like, Chrome books. So I, like, looked for more crumb stuff, and then I'd, like.
• 16:08
  Moritz Junker: I looked online.
• 16:10
  Moritz Junker: you know, I'd, like, look up Robert Crum, just, you know, online, see more about him. And then… there was, like, the…
• 16:19
  Moritz Junker: like, Cartoonist Kayfabe YouTube channel.
• 16:21
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 16:22
  Moritz Junker: that was still going on. Like, they had a lot of…
• 16:25
  Moritz Junker: alternative comic stuff, so then I was like, oh, if…
• 16:28
  Moritz Junker: they're like, if you like Robert Crum, you should check out Dan Klaus, and you should check.
• 16:31
  Tad Eggleston: Charles Burns. Ed and Jim had impeccable taste. Yeah. And it's funny that you mentioned Dan Klaus and Charles Burns right after we talked about Cartoon Crossroads, because Dan Klaus was there two years ago, and Charles Burns.
• 16:48
  Moritz Junker: disaster.
• 16:48
  Tad Eggleston: this year.
• 16:50
  Moritz Junker: Maybe next year. Sometimes I'll go, I don't know.
• 16:53
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 16:54
  Tad Eggleston: You gotta figure out if you have any friends at Ohio State that'll let you crash in their dorm.
• 16:58
  Moritz Junker: I do, I was talking about it, but then it… we didn't have enough time. I don't know. I have a friend who goes to school there, and I was like, oh, can I come hang out with him?
• 17:06
  Tad Eggleston: Crashing your dorm room?
• 17:07
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, he was like, yeah, and then I got busy. Yeah, no. I gotta buy a car, too, that's, like, my next…
• 17:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that would make it easier.
• 17:14
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 17:15
  Moritz Junker: Right now, I take, like.
• 17:16
  Tad Eggleston: So, I go every year, so, like, I'm just an hour south of you, like, talk to me next year.
• 17:22
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Tad Eggleston: We're leaving from school this year, and I don't know if I want to change my plans, so unless you can get to Lincolnshire on Thursday, I can't take you this year.
• 17:31
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, that's… that's all good.
• 17:34
  Tad Eggleston: But, you know, I know peop… I know people from Chicagoland who go, including myself, pretty much every year, so, like, getting theirs, for that matter.
• 17:45
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, frankly, you should apply to table there every year.
• 17:49
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, it's a good idea.
• 17:51
  Tad Eggleston: Because it… it is absolutely one of the cons that, like… I don't know exactly how they pick their tables, but, like, you'll have people with
• 18:03
  Tad Eggleston: Emily Mayer tabled there a couple of years ago. You know Emily, because she.
• 18:08
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:08
  Tad Eggleston: ran,
• 18:10
  Tad Eggleston: You know, so, I mean, there are peop… there… there… there are people… there are people with comics that look just like yours, tabling next to Shelley Bond, across the… across the… the way from Dennis Kitchen.
• 18:22
  Moritz Junker: You know… Nice.
• 18:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 18:24
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:26
  Tad Eggleston: It really does cover, like, all of the comic scene.
• 18:31
  Tad Eggleston: And is really inclusive. I, I, like, I think I recommend it even more to young comics people, like, find the way to make the pilgrimage, meet people, see shit.
• 18:42
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe sell some books. Is that…
• 18:45
  Moritz Junker: Is that one of your favorite, like, would you rank that?
• 18:47
  Tad Eggleston: It is my favorite con that I've.
• 18:49
  Moritz Junker: Okay.
• 18:49
  Tad Eggleston: I've never been to NYCC, I've never been to HeroesCon down in…
• 18:56
  Tad Eggleston: North Carolina, and I haven't been up to Rose City, or…
• 19:01
  Tad Eggleston: Emerald City Con in Portland and Seattle that are supposed to be fantastic.
• 19:09
  Tad Eggleston: I was at San Diego one of the last years that it was mostly about comics, and I'll put it up against that.
• 19:17
  Moritz Junker: What year was that, do you think?
• 19:19
  Tad Eggleston: 98, so, like.
• 19:20
  Moritz Junker: Oh, okay.
• 19:21
  Tad Eggleston: Years before you.
• 19:26
  Tad Eggleston: Kevin Smith was there in support of chasing Amy.
• 19:30
  Moritz Junker: Okay, I don't know who…
• 19:31
  Tad Eggleston: Looking at me like, who is Kevin Smith?
• 19:33
  Moritz Junker: I don't know.
• 19:34
  Moritz Junker: Sorry.
• 19:39
  Tad Eggleston: See, when I was your age, there was this movie called Clerks that we all saw.
• 19:44
  Moritz Junker: Oh, yeah, okay, I've heard of that.
• 19:46
  Tad Eggleston: That was Kevin Smith.
• 19:48
  Moritz Junker: Okay, cool.
• 19:50
  Tad Eggleston: The second movie was Mallrats, and his third movie was Chasing Amy.
• 19:55
  Moritz Junker: Okay.
• 19:56
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I'll… I'll watch those sometime. I don't know.
• 20:00
  Tad Eggleston: It doesn't actually… that's just… We have our, we have a, do you know the book Saga?
• 20:08
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 20:09
  Tad Eggleston: So, we have a Saga book club on 22 Panels as well, and we met last night, and one of the members of that group is 22, so she was making us all feel old last night, too, so I feel like I've got two nights in a row… Oh, sorry.
• 20:26
  Moritz Junker: Existential a couple days.
• 20:27
  Tad Eggleston: But also going… Oh my god, am I… I…
• 20:33
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 20:34
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, it's weird, because, you know, because I teach high school, I don't actually think of myself as old most of the time, because…
• 20:41
  Moritz Junker: True.
• 20:42
  Tad Eggleston: I'm around young people, I relate pretty well to them, but then every once in a while, it's like, wait a minute, you don't know who Kevin Smith is? And, or, you'll mention somebody that you're like, everybody knows, and I'm like.
• 20:56
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 20:57
  Moritz Junker: No, that's fine.
• 20:57
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I still need to watch,
• 21:01
  Tad Eggleston: K-Pop Demon Hunter. Everybody's telling me about K-Pop Demon Hunter right now. It's supposed to be really, really good. Oh, so we got.
• 21:08
  Moritz Junker: I haven't heard of that, yeah, so…
• 21:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's the… it's, it's the new Netflix movie, animated.
• 21:14
  Moritz Junker: It's like the Class of 26 thing.
• 21:16
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:17
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, too.
• 21:17
  Tad Eggleston: It's supposed to be…
• 21:19
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I can't.
• 21:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Supposed to be absolutely outstanding, you know, even… and, like, one of those rare things where it's, like, high school kids are talking about it, and half of the teachers know it because their 5-year-olds are also nuts for it.
• 21:33
  Moritz Junker: Okay, interesting.
• 21:35
  Tad Eggleston: You know, those rare times where, like, the high school kids
• 21:40
  Tad Eggleston: and their teachers, like, are actually talking about the same thing because the teachers are watching it with their kids, but the high school kids still like it? I mean, it's kind of like… it makes me want to watch it, you know, because.
• 21:53
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, it's…
• 21:54
  Tad Eggleston: What makes bone amazing.
• 21:55
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, that's… I was about to say.
• 21:57
  Tad Eggleston: Is that they are truly ages.
• 22:03
  Tad Eggleston: Not… not okay for all ages, but interesting to all ages.
• 22:09
  Tad Eggleston: And that's a much harder thing to do.
• 22:12
  Tad Eggleston: They're not objectionable to all ages.
• 22:15
  Tad Eggleston: Plenty of things that aren't objectionable to all ages.
• 22:17
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I mean, everything for kids is not objectible.
• 22:20
  Tad Eggleston: Adults think are dumb, or that fly right over kids' heads.
• 22:27
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.
• 22:29
  Moritz Junker: I get you. I mean…
• 22:30
  Tad Eggleston: Half the rom-coms out there don't actually have anything in them that's objectionable for kids.
• 22:36
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, but they're, like, boring for kids.
• 22:38
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they just, like, what 5-year-old would have any interest whatsoever in, like, a Hallmark Channel movie?
• 22:47
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, I get you.
• 22:50
  Tad Eggleston: I'd be like, why are they just talking?
• 22:53
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, well, you know, that's actually…
• 23:00
  Moritz Junker: When I first saw, like, Dan Cloud's comics, I kind of wasn't… I didn't get it, because I was like, everyone was stiff, and they're just like…
• 23:07
  Moritz Junker: Walking around.
• 23:09
  Tad Eggleston: Damn.
• 23:09
  Moritz Junker: Again, Oz is kind of…
• 23:11
  Tad Eggleston: He's… he… he's sometimes an acquired taste. He… Yeah. And he certainly…
• 23:18
  Tad Eggleston: you have to have a little bit of experience. I don't think it's strictly an age thing, and I don't even think it has to be life experience. I think it can be comic experience, but you gotta be able to look at it and, like.
• 23:32
  Tad Eggleston: have an idea of where he's coming from, for it to really, really sink in. I know that the first time I read Dan Klaus, I'm like, what's the big deal?
• 23:42
  Tad Eggleston: And I was, like, 20-something. I was older than you.
• 23:45
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Tad Eggleston: time I read Dan Klaus, and the first time I read Dan Klaus, I was like, what's the big deal?
• 23:50
  Tad Eggleston: Whereas…
• 23:54
  Tad Eggleston: And I started to realize it was a bigger deal. It was actually while I was sitting waiting for him to talk, reading his newest book, which some of his fans are like, it's okay.
• 24:03
  Tad Eggleston: The deadline.
• 24:04
  Moritz Junker: Which one was it?
• 24:05
  Tad Eggleston: What is the most one? Is it on my shelf over there?
• 24:09
  Tad Eggleston: If it is, I can't quite see it.
• 24:13
  Tad Eggleston: Monica.
• 24:14
  Moritz Junker: Oh, okay.
• 24:15
  Tad Eggleston: The president…
• 24:16
  Moritz Junker: First time you read?
• 24:18
  Tad Eggleston: No, it wasn't.
• 24:18
  Moritz Junker: This is the first time I…
• 24:19
  Tad Eggleston: read, because I'd read 8 Ball, I'd read.
• 24:22
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:23
  Tad Eggleston: Wilson, I just hadn't… I hadn't gone.
• 24:25
  Moritz Junker: You hadn't gotten into it until, like, a couple years ago. Okay, yeah, I get you.
• 24:29
  Tad Eggleston: So I'm sit… I'm literally sitting in the auditorium at CXC, waiting for.
• 24:34
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 24:35
  Tad Eggleston: come on stage, and I, you know, we were able to buy… it was, like, actually two weeks before Monica came out, but Fanagraphics had them at CXC, so I bought a copy. Sitting there reading, and I'm like, oh, I get it now.
• 24:47
  Moritz Junker: Nice, okay. Yeah, so that really took a while.
• 24:50
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, I came home, and I re-read all my Dan Klaus.
• 24:55
  Moritz Junker: Nice, nice.
• 24:57
  Tad Eggleston: I still haven't had that moment with Chris Wearer.
• 25:00
  Tad Eggleston: Chris Weir?
• 25:01
  Moritz Junker: Okay, really?
• 25:02
  Tad Eggleston: Like, he's like… like, I'm just…
• 25:06
  Tad Eggleston: And I haven't revisited him recently.
• 25:10
  Tad Eggleston: You know, but I try to… I have a lot of his stuff, and I don't dislike any of it.
• 25:15
  Tad Eggleston: But he always feels like he's just on the tip of my understanding. It's like, you know, like that song that you listen to, and it's like, someday this is gonna unlock, and I'm gonna think that these lyrics are amazing, but right now, I don't understand
• 25:34
  Tad Eggleston: why I like this.
• 25:36
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. Which makes me wonder if I even like it.
• 25:41
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 25:42
  Tad Eggleston: Don't know what I…
• 25:45
  Moritz Junker: I, I, I can…
• 25:46
  Tad Eggleston: And there's these people over here that think it's, like, godlike, and I really don't get what they're looking at yet.
• 25:53
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 25:54
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I feel like I've, like,
• 25:58
  Moritz Junker: you know, I haven't really read anything that much in the last, like, year where I've been, like, really… well, I don't know, maybe that's not true. I don't know.
• 26:06
  Moritz Junker: I feel like, since…
• 26:08
  Moritz Junker: being out of high school and stuff, I've read a lot less comics, and I haven't, like, super connected
• 26:12
  Moritz Junker: with a thing.
• 26:13
  Tad Eggleston: What? Because you're, like, a college student, and have…
• 26:17
  Moritz Junker: Dropout.
• 26:18
  Tad Eggleston: homework, and it…
• 26:19
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 26:20
  Tad Eggleston: jobs, and, like… Yeah. To get in the way.
• 26:25
  Moritz Junker: to do. Yeah, I know. That's actually way better.
• 26:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:30
  Moritz Junker: And I'm actually, like, kind of… I mean, I'm okay with it, but it's like… I, I give it…
• 26:34
  Tad Eggleston: Back into them.
• 26:35
  Moritz Junker: You gotta be in the right kind of mood and headspace to really… -
• 26:40
  Moritz Junker: Read them, and…
• 26:41
  Tad Eggleston: And I think that's the other problem, is, like.
• 26:44
  Tad Eggleston: I have trouble slowing down with comics, because I read so many comics.
• 26:49
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 26:50
  Tad Eggleston: And particularly with the podcast, I make myself read so many comics so that I can talk about them, or interview people about them, or plug the shit out of them.
• 27:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, man.
• 27:02
  Tad Eggleston: That, like, those comics that are best enjoyed slowly…
• 27:06
  Tad Eggleston: I so rarely manage to, like, Yeah, I like that.
• 27:10
  Moritz Junker: random. Yeah.
• 27:13
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, I get that.
• 27:14
  Tad Eggleston: I try to… I try to… I try to make a point to from time to time, particularly because there… like, every once in a while, I'll read a book.
• 27:21
  Tad Eggleston: Meredith McLaren's new one, Meat Eaters, which is even, like, technically a YA book.
• 27:29
  Tad Eggleston: like, I got an advance PDF, and I, like, read it, and read it again, and read it again, and when I finally got the physical copy, it's like, I read it again, and then I read it really slowly.
• 27:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Because, like, Meredith McLaren's one of my favorite artists to begin with, and, like, the things that she did in this book, it, like…
• 27:53
  Tad Eggleston: Can't even
• 27:55
  Tad Eggleston: Quite describe them, except that, like, she took everything that made her great before, and just upped it a notch.
• 28:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you know, she started doing things…
• 28:04
  Tad Eggleston: like, the very first page, like, there's two panels on the first page, and it's something that you see in film from time to time, and you sometimes see in photo arrays, but I'm not certain I'd ever seen it at a comic, where, like.
• 28:18
  Tad Eggleston: The fir- they're essentially the same panel, except the first panel, it's focused on the background, and the foreground is, like…
• 28:26
  Tad Eggleston: fuzzy, the way it is when you focus a camera on the background. The second panel is reversed. The background has been… and it's focused on that, so you're like… Sure.
• 28:36
  Moritz Junker: It's a lot of…
• 28:37
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm sitting there going.
• 28:40
  Tad Eggleston: It's such a simple… and that's one of the beauties of comics. So many of the things that will, like, blow us away, like, you sit back going.
• 28:47
  Tad Eggleston: I have no idea why nobody thought of this before, but I don't think anybody thought of this before.
• 28:54
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, I get that.
• 28:59
  Moritz Junker: So…
• 29:01
  Tad Eggleston: Go ahead.
• 29:02
  Moritz Junker: Or, I was gonna say, I've been, like…
• 29:04
  Moritz Junker: I tried to read that book, My Favorite Thing is Monsters, like, a couple times.
• 29:08
  Tad Eggleston: Oh my god.
• 29:08
  Moritz Junker: And I haven't… I haven't been able to, like, get very far. I've, like…
• 29:13
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's… I don't know.
• 29:14
  Moritz Junker: It's… that's, like, too daunting right now. That's, like, one of those…
• 29:17
  Tad Eggleston: book.
• 29:18
  Moritz Junker: I see why everyone likes it, because it's, like, beautiful, and it looks.
• 29:21
  Tad Eggleston: But I also, like, the first time I read it.
• 29:24
  Tad Eggleston: I managed to read the entire thing during a school day while teaching, and then went home and read it again.
• 29:31
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, damn.
• 29:32
  Tad Eggleston: I usually spent all day reading Volume 1 twice.
• 29:36
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 29:38
  Moritz Junker: I mean, that's what I did in high school, that's like… I used to have that time, that was great. I don't know.
• 29:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Emil's amazing, too.
• 29:50
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, she doesn't… does she live in Milwaukee or something?
• 29:53
  Tad Eggleston: She does.
• 29:53
  Moritz Junker: Okay.
• 29:54
  Tad Eggleston: I interviewed her at Lion's Tooth.
• 29:57
  Moritz Junker: Okay, yeah, I think Chris talked about that.
• 29:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah. In fact, I need to email her, because I have, I have a couple of copies of My Favorite Thing is Monsters that she's supposed to stop in and sign for my brother.
• 30:09
  Moritz Junker: Oh, sweet.
• 30:10
  Tad Eggleston: I maybe shouldn't have said that on, hi, Emil, if you're listening. That's your reminder, if you're listening.
• 30:16
  Tad Eggleston: More of the books there.
• 30:18
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 30:19
  Moritz Junker: I promise, I'll read your book.
• 30:22
  Moritz Junker: Someday.
• 30:23
  Tad Eggleston: So, I'm certain you will. I mean, it's…
• 30:27
  Tad Eggleston: it's a… you're right, it's a beautiful book, but it can… I mean, I know lots of people who find it daunting, and I know that, like, that one grabbed me, but there are other books of that type that, like, it takes me 2 or 3 times picking them up before I really dive in, because, like…
• 30:46
  Tad Eggleston: Again, they're just… they're not fast reads, they're not easy reads, and they're so beautiful that you want to spend more time with them than… you both want to spend, like, an hour with each page, and you want to get to the next page as fast as possible, because the story is so.
• 31:03
  Moritz Junker: The story is cool. Yeah, I think also, like, books like… books like that, and…
• 31:09
  Moritz Junker: books like Chris Ware's stuff, like.
• 31:11
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 31:12
  Moritz Junker: They're really gorgeous, like, amazing books that
• 31:16
  Moritz Junker: I don't, like, you know, they… like, you read them and you get really excited about making comics and stuff, but I think there is also, like.
• 31:22
  Moritz Junker: They're not kind of laid out, usually, traditionally, and that can kind of… each page is kind of like a puzzle.
• 31:27
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, where is…
• 31:28
  Moritz Junker: It's a little less.
• 31:29
  Tad Eggleston: That, like, with 10 times as many panels.
• 31:32
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 31:33
  Tad Eggleston: But, and I don't know, but…
• 31:35
  Moritz Junker: And then, like… I don't know, I felt like my favorite thing is monsters, like, it's like…
• 31:40
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, my favorite thing is mine.
• 31:41
  Moritz Junker: The page is, like, a beautiful illustration, which is amazing, but also then it's, like…
• 31:47
  Tad Eggleston: You gotta figure out how to read it, and oftentimes… it in, like.
• 31:51
  Tad Eggleston: Oftentimes, it doesn't matter. I mean, that's the nice thing. Sometimes it doesn't matter which order you read it in.
• 31:57
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 31:58
  Tad Eggleston: Because it really is set up like the journal that it's made out to be.
• 32:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. And you know, so, talk to me about making comics.
• 32:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the ones I've read are Pole Position, which was both disturbing and fucking hilarious.
• 32:17
  Tad Eggleston: The Thrills of Mediocrity, issue 6. I love those characters, so, like, I would happily pay you money to read Issues 1 through 5 and 5 and a half.
• 32:29
  Tad Eggleston: Sounds good.
• 32:30
  Tad Eggleston: And, the one that, like, really caught my attention, and I literally read on the… the steps, of…
• 32:39
  Tad Eggleston: insert name was… was the… the Devil Draws at Dawn.
• 32:44
  Tad Eggleston: With the… That's funny.
• 32:46
  Moritz Junker: Why do you say that, because I…
• 32:48
  Tad Eggleston: Biggest gun in the West.
• 32:50
  Moritz Junker: It's probably the one I put the least thought into out of those three.
• 32:54
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, sometimes that's the way it works.
• 32:57
  Tad Eggleston: I, I love them all.
• 32:59
  Tad Eggleston: But, like… you know, I almost like the way that this is… just silly.
• 33:08
  Tad Eggleston: But well-crafted silly.
• 33:10
  Moritz Junker: Thank you, yeah, I…
• 33:11
  Tad Eggleston: Absolutely.
• 33:12
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 33:14
  Moritz Junker: I mean, I'm very proud of that book, I like it, but…
• 33:16
  Tad Eggleston: Like, do you know the artist Elsa Chardier?
• 33:21
  Moritz Junker: No.
• 33:23
  Tad Eggleston: Elsa Chartier did a book called November with Matt Fraction.
• 33:28
  Tad Eggleston: She did a book called, love Everlasting with Tom King.
• 33:36
  Tad Eggleston: She's currently doing, The City Beneath Her Feet with James Tynion, but her first book… was called…
• 33:48
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, why can't I remember? Let me look her up really quick.
• 33:54
  Tad Eggleston: Infinity something.
• 33:57
  Tad Eggleston: And it was, like, this time travel thing.
• 34:01
  Tad Eggleston: that, like, I mean, she was literally in her 20s, teaching herself to draw and draw comics at the same time.
• 34:09
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, her talent adage is disgusting.
• 34:14
  Tad Eggleston: To, you know…
• 34:16
  Tad Eggleston: If you believe her story, which I totally do, because I've had it backed up enough places where she literally went from trying to be an actress to…
• 34:27
  Tad Eggleston: deciding to make comics, teach yourself how, and, like, in the span of a year or so, became…
• 34:36
  Tad Eggleston: who she is.
• 34:37
  Moritz Junker: Really good.
• 34:39
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and not just really good, but, like, she grasps every… every ounce of the storytelling.
• 34:47
  Tad Eggleston: You know, so the page layouts are phenomenal, the acting of the characters is phenomenal,
• 34:55
  Tad Eggleston: You know, you can tell that she's absolutely a student of comics, and you can tell that
• 35:03
  Tad Eggleston: she also kind of just does her own thing, too. You know, I mean, she's… she's her… the infinite loop is what it was called. But so, when I was talking to her the first time.
• 35:11
  Tad Eggleston: I was asking her how much she planned out, she… like, she talked about how, for most of them, she's, like, meticulous in terms of planning them out, except for the infinite loop, where she just kind of shot from the hip, because it was her first book, and she was just… and, like, that's crazy, because, like.
• 35:28
  Tad Eggleston: The Infinite Loop does some of the coolest things in comics I've ever seen, so, like, the idea that you were just…
• 35:38
  Tad Eggleston: Winging it? Jamming.
• 35:39
  Moritz Junker: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I do…
• 35:42
  Tad Eggleston: Crazy.
• 35:43
  Moritz Junker: I never, you know, I never, like, write a script or anything, I do just.
• 35:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 35:47
  Moritz Junker: I just draw each page, like, fully, and then I go to the next page. Yeah.
• 35:51
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I don't know.
• 35:53
  Moritz Junker: But… I, I don't know, I get, like…
• 35:56
  Tad Eggleston: No, I, you know.
• 35:57
  Moritz Junker: Like, I drew the cowboy one, like, the devil draws at Dawn, I drew that just in, like, a notebook, because I was like…
• 36:03
  Moritz Junker: I was, like, in school, and I was, like, in college, and I was like.
• 36:06
  Tad Eggleston: Wow.
• 36:07
  Moritz Junker: this, like… I mean, I… wait, I probably have the…
• 36:10
  Moritz Junker: I can grab the book I drew it in.
• 36:13
  Tad Eggleston: I, I gotta ask, just because it, it, like…
• 36:20
  Tad Eggleston: I… I mean, the two… the two main parts of silliness that get played off of here is… like…
• 36:30
  Tad Eggleston: Your big gun kid is a kid whose gun is 5 times as big as he is.
• 36:37
  Tad Eggleston: And his Indian guide is… is a… is an Asian Indian…
• 36:43
  Moritz Junker: Yes.
• 36:43
  Tad Eggleston: So… so that's established on, like, page 1, like, what…
• 36:49
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, was that just, like, the conceit that you jumped off from and went?
• 36:53
  Moritz Junker: Yes, yes.
• 36:53
  Tad Eggleston: Huh?
• 36:54
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, I just… Thought it was funny, I don't… that was kind of the whole…
• 36:59
  Moritz Junker: Like, here, if you… this is, like, the…
• 37:01
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow.
• 37:02
  Moritz Junker: Like, the original pages… it's, like, all in this…
• 37:05
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow.
• 37:07
  Tad Eggleston: I love it.
• 37:10
  Moritz Junker: Went, page by page.
• 37:12
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's amazing.
• 37:14
  Moritz Junker: It's like…
• 37:16
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, like, now seeing that you did it all, and, like, that's in fully finished form, like, how do you work in the pages? Do you…
• 37:25
  Tad Eggleston: like, what level of penciling do you do? When do you start inking? Like, talk to me about tools, talk to me about process, particularly if you're doing it in class, I want to know how this comes about.
• 37:39
  Moritz Junker: Well, it was, you know, it was mostly just, like, lectures, like, you know, I was in, like, college, this…
• 37:45
  Tad Eggleston: No, I understand.
• 37:46
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 37:46
  Tad Eggleston: I understand that it was probably classes that you could, like, hide a little bit more, but still, you're not, like, bringing in a light table and…
• 37:59
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I mean, yeah, Millions.
• 38:01
  Tad Eggleston: And, like.
• 38:01
  Moritz Junker: Pretty simple.
• 38:02
  Tad Eggleston: A whole supply of brushes and a jar of India ink.
• 38:06
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, I did, I… like, I had, like, the…
• 38:11
  Moritz Junker: Anyway, like, I have this, like, pencil pouch, this is kind of where everything is in. Okay, I have one of those.
• 38:16
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I'm using… Like, a mechanical pencil, I guess, and, like, these Uniball pens.
• 38:23
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 38:24
  Moritz Junker: For most of the inking. And then, for the cowboy, like, for that one, I had these, like, alcohol markers that I used.
• 38:31
  Tad Eggleston: Because I was about to say, you get… I mean, if you were just using… if you were just using Uniball, you got some really great craze.
• 38:40
  Moritz Junker: Oh, well, thanks. Yeah, that would be fun.
• 38:42
  Tad Eggleston: But the alcohol markers make way more sense.
• 38:45
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, and then I did, like,
• 38:48
  Moritz Junker: I would do the solid blacks, like, I would do those, like, when I got back to, like, my dorm, and then I would, like, use a Russian.
• 38:55
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 38:55
  Moritz Junker: But… and then the cover, I did, like, actual ink wash, like…
• 38:59
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah.
• 39:00
  Moritz Junker: But.
• 39:01
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you gotta make the cover cool.
• 39:03
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 39:04
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 39:05
  Moritz Junker: You made everything else cool.
• 39:07
  Moritz Junker: Oh, thanks.
• 39:08
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, overall… But that was actually…
• 39:11
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, this is another place that I can tell that you're learning, but you're also, like…
• 39:17
  Tad Eggleston: significantly more accomplished than most people making comics at your level with it. Talk to me about the work that you do on lettering, because you fit your balloons pretty well, you're very readable, and you're actually… well, you don't get, like.
• 39:41
  Tad Eggleston: you don't have, like, lots and lots of different font stuff. You do do things for emphasis.
• 39:48
  Tad Eggleston: with your letters, you know, I'm just looking at a page, and like, you can… you can…
• 39:56
  Tad Eggleston: You've got bolder lettering, you've got… quieter lettering.
• 40:00
  Tad Eggleston: You know, you can feel emotions from the boxes.
• 40:04
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 40:05
  Tad Eggleston: I like letterers. I've talked to a bunch of letterers on the show, so I'm always… and again, like, we should… we'll talk in a minute about, you know, what kind of formal training and or what… what books you've read to try to hone your craft, but first, like, just tell me, like, how do you approach the… the… the lettering when you're… when you're…
• 40:26
  Tad Eggleston: Telling the story, because again, like, the single biggest issue you see in a lot of…
• 40:32
  Tad Eggleston: self-published super indie comics is like.
• 40:36
  Moritz Junker: read them.
• 40:38
  Tad Eggleston: Well, even if…
• 40:39
  Moritz Junker: the words are… I mean, don'.
• 40:41
  Tad Eggleston: Don't get me wrong, that's also a problem.
• 40:43
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 40:43
  Tad Eggleston: But the… but the words are crammed into bubbles, you know?
• 40:47
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 40:49
  Moritz Junker: No, I get that, yeah.
• 40:52
  Moritz Junker: No, that's what I meant, yeah. I.
• 40:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 40:55
  Tad Eggleston: Or hanging out of bubbles, or…
• 40:59
  Moritz Junker: I think.
• 41:00
  Tad Eggleston: Certainly more inconsistent than you.
• 41:03
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I don't know, I feel like that's something.
• 41:05
  Tad Eggleston: And I assume you're hand-lettering, because it looks hand-lettered.
• 41:08
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 41:09
  Moritz Junker: You know, I have a… I didn't use it on that comic, because it was in the notebook, but I mean, I have the, like, Ames guide.
• 41:16
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 41:17
  Moritz Junker: Like everyone, I don't know, I feel like I've…
• 41:21
  Moritz Junker: I'd write the words first and draw the bubble around it. I feel like that…
• 41:26
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's obviously a smart thing to do.
• 41:28
  Moritz Junker: We should do it.
• 41:29
  Tad Eggleston: You also said you don't script, so, like…
• 41:33
  Moritz Junker: You know, I mean, like… Cause you don't…
• 41:35
  Tad Eggleston: I don't like…
• 41:36
  Moritz Junker: I write out, like, a screenplay. I'm like, this is gonna.
• 41:38
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 41:39
  Moritz Junker: to my story. When I go to the page, you know, I pencil the whole page before I ink the page, so I figure out where everything's gonna be placed before, and a lot of the times, if I know the beats of each panel, if I'm like, they're gonna talk here, this is gonna be a reaction, they're gonna talk here, like, I figure that out as I get to the page, but I…
• 41:56
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 41:57
  Moritz Junker: you know, I, like, kind of put the text down before I do a lot of the drawings, and I'm like…
• 42:00
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but also, I mean, one of…
• 42:06
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, actually, it's particularly funny, because some of the other comics that you put in, you know, in this one have many of the issues that you don't have, so… Sure. So, like, while I enjoy all of the guest comics in here, they also very much serve to show how.
• 42:29
  Moritz Junker: Okay, well, you know, a lot of them were my friends that had never made a comic before.
• 42:32
  Tad Eggleston: No offense to any of them.
• 42:34
  Tad Eggleston: Because they all show skill.
• 42:36
  Moritz Junker: I really appreciate it.
• 42:38
  Tad Eggleston: And they're all interesting. But, like…
• 42:45
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Paul Court Johns was really good.
• 42:48
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, he, he, he does stuff.
• 42:51
  Tad Eggleston: It has, it has, like, a different vibe from yours, but it, you know, it's somebody who really knows how to do it.
• 42:59
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, he's a really… he's a good cartoonist. He's, like, pretty polished, and he… he has his own stuff, you should check his stuff out, Report John on Instagram. He's…
• 43:07
  Tad Eggleston: We'll have to…
• 43:08
  Moritz Junker: guy. Yeah. I, like, know him through the internet, though. I don't… like, everyone else was people I, like, knew personally that I got to.
• 43:14
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 43:15
  Moritz Junker: Have this subject.
• 43:15
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, that's always fun.
• 43:17
  Tad Eggleston: You can… when you can wind up having somebody that you only kind of know be willing to jump in on a project with you.
• 43:24
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, he's… he's really cool. He's been, like…
• 43:27
  Moritz Junker: He's been, like, kinda looking at my stuff for…
• 43:31
  Moritz Junker: like, probably the last 4 years… like, ever since I kind of started publishing it and putting stuff online, it's been really, like, supportive and nice, and…
• 43:38
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, it's cool.
• 43:39
  Moritz Junker: So cool, dude.
• 43:41
  Tad Eggleston: It has a comic named The Fart.
• 43:44
  Tad Eggleston: It's my time.
• 43:44
  Moritz Junker: He's great.
• 43:48
  Tad Eggleston: My kind of guy.
• 43:50
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 43:51
  Tad Eggleston: I lost my train of thought.
• 43:59
  Tad Eggleston: So… actually, since I lost my training, I thought, let's… I mean, again, I mean, I don't want to discount the possibility that you're an idiot savant, but…
• 44:10
  Moritz Junker: But…
• 44:12
  Tad Eggleston: I have also read enough comics from young people and or just relatively new cartoonists that I can generally tell the difference between the people who
• 44:24
  Tad Eggleston: Are making comics to then learn how to make comics, and those who have already started
• 44:30
  Tad Eggleston: Learning how to make comics outside of…
• 44:33
  Tad Eggleston: just making them. So, so, I'm assuming…
• 44:39
  Tad Eggleston: that you've done some reading, or watched some YouTube videos, or… or taken some classes, talk to me about ways that you've,
• 44:48
  Tad Eggleston: honed your car.
• 44:49
  Moritz Junker: training stuff. Yeah, I.
• 44:52
  Tad Eggleston: Training or self-training.
• 44:54
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 44:54
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 44:55
  Moritz Junker: You know, I'd say I'm probably mostly self-training. Like, I… I read a lot of…
• 45:01
  Moritz Junker: I think mostly I just, like, read a lot of comics, like, I read a lot of comics. And I draw a lot, like, I draw…
• 45:07
  Moritz Junker: just a lot, and I always have drawn a lot, so I think that's… Kind of, like, 80% of…
• 45:13
  Moritz Junker: I don't know.
• 45:14
  Tad Eggleston: Like, if you… I guess what I'm asking.
• 45:17
  Moritz Junker: Like, I've read stuff that's, like.
• 45:20
  Tad Eggleston: The comics and…
• 45:20
  Moritz Junker: Cloud.
• 45:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that was what I was about to say. There's reading understanding comics, or there's reading Shelley Bond's, Filth and Grammar has become really, really popular among the…
• 45:34
  Tad Eggleston: indie comic scene. Her book on editing, but it also… I mean, really, in a lot of ways, it's like, how to do all the parts of comics except the drawing.
• 45:43
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 45:45
  Moritz Junker: I think, also, like, watching the, like, cartoonist Kayfabe when that was going on, I think that was pretty helpful, because they were, like.
• 45:53
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, they were both…
• 45:54
  Moritz Junker: They were both cartoonists, so they talk about it…
• 45:56
  Tad Eggleston: Cartoonists themselves, yeah.
• 45:58
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, no, like, and they talk about it as, like, oh, he's doing this, but, like, I think he probably used that kind of tool to…
• 46:06
  Moritz Junker: I don't know, like, stuff like that, where I was like, oh, okay, I… like, a lot of insider info you wouldn't get from…
• 46:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, absolutely.
• 46:13
  Moritz Junker: Like, reading it yourself. Right.
• 46:15
  Tad Eggleston: Right, and that was the type of stuff I was asking about.
• 46:18
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Moritz Junker: So that definitely.
• 46:20
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly once you get to a certain point, you start deconstructing comics yourself, but… but, like… Unless…
• 46:27
  Tad Eggleston: Like, I wanna, yeah, I wanna give a lot of learning how to do that. I give a lot of.
• 46:31
  Moritz Junker: credit to Ed Pisco or Jim Rugg for, like, being really…
• 46:37
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, just, like, mindful about it when… like, probably making me be more mindful about it at an age when I wouldn't have been otherwise, like.
• 46:44
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 46:45
  Moritz Junker: Because, like, I was, like, 15 or 16 watching them.
• 46:47
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 46:47
  Moritz Junker: Like, I wouldn't…
• 46:48
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 46:48
  Moritz Junker: Probably think to be that, like, oh, how would they figure that out?
• 46:52
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I will be the first to admit that I…
• 46:56
  Moritz Junker: I completely undervalued artists in comics before…
• 47:00
  Tad Eggleston: I started this podcast. It's not that I didn't value them, but I didn't… I didn't give them their due as storytellers.
• 47:08
  Tad Eggleston: I've started noticing so much more of how much a page layout matters, how much…
• 47:16
  Tad Eggleston: body language matters, how much facial expressions matter, you know, versus just, hey, we've got words, and we need something to be saying the words. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:28
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 47:29
  Tad Eggleston: So, like… and I don't make comics, and I'm… I'm much more of a word guy, so that's my excuse, but… but… it's still…
• 47:39
  Tad Eggleston: It's one of those things where the more… the more you read, people…
• 47:44
  Tad Eggleston: Who know their shit breaking it down, or watch people who know their shit breaking it down, or talk to people who know their shit.
• 47:53
  Moritz Junker: freaking me.
• 47:53
  Tad Eggleston: down.
• 47:54
  Tad Eggleston: You just, you wind up learning so, so much.
• 47:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 48:02
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 48:03
  Moritz Junker: And I took,
• 48:05
  Moritz Junker: I didn't take that many art classes, like, in high school or anything, but I did take, like.
• 48:10
  Moritz Junker: I think, like, 4 classes with this guy, Philip,
• 48:15
  Moritz Junker: Salmon, he's, like, a guy who lives in Madison, he did, like, pretty, like.
• 48:20
  Moritz Junker: Like, technical, like, painting and illustration?
• 48:24
  Moritz Junker: And…
• 48:26
  Moritz Junker: I just, like… I think I was, like, 15, and I took, like, 4 classes with him, and he kind of just helped me be like, oh, this is how, like, light works, this is how…
• 48:35
  Moritz Junker: perspectives and.
• 48:35
  Tad Eggleston: Good thing to have.
• 48:37
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, like, good, like, just kind of illustration.
• 48:40
  Moritz Junker: tips, and then I took a semester of, like, art. Like, I went to college.
• 48:47
  Moritz Junker: like, last fall, UW-Milwaukee, to study
• 48:52
  Moritz Junker: like, art, and then I did that for a semester, and then I switched to English, and then I dropped out, so…
• 48:58
  Moritz Junker: It's like… Like, I feel like I haven't taken that much formal training, but, like, I…
• 49:02
  Moritz Junker: I have, like, like, a lot of stuff online, and a lot of…
• 49:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, with, like, the… And I… yeah, I mean, I think… I think a lot of cartoonists don't have…
• 49:16
  Tad Eggleston: formal, formal training. I mean, it's really only in your lifetime that there's been much formal training.
• 49:24
  Tad Eggleston: Available.
• 49:25
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I couldn't.
• 49:26
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 49:27
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:28
  Tad Eggleston: You know,
• 49:31
  Tad Eggleston: You know, it used to be, you draw out comics, so you haven't… you're not good enough for advertising.
• 49:36
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Tad Eggleston: Jimmy, you wanna draw comics? What the hell is wrong with you?
• 49:41
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 49:42
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's before my time, but, you know.
• 49:46
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 49:46
  Tad Eggleston: I've talked enough of… to enough of the old-school people that, like…
• 49:52
  Moritz Junker: I'm aware of, like, how the…
• 49:56
  Tad Eggleston: It still doesn't make any more money than it did back then, but, like, at least it's not.
• 50:01
  Moritz Junker: Well, now… People who are drawing advertising, they… they make zero money, so…
• 50:06
  Tad Eggleston: That's true, too.
• 50:07
  Moritz Junker: No, the comics, they outlasted it.
• 50:09
  Tad Eggleston: They do… for the most part, they make more than advertising now. Yeah.
• 50:15
  Moritz Junker: So, you know, who really wins in the end?
• 50:19
  Tad Eggleston: But that's only because of photography.
• 50:22
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 50:24
  Moritz Junker: But still, you know, we gotta take that.
• 50:27
  Tad Eggleston: Though, you know, I mean, have you ever been at, like, a hospital or a hotel and looked at the boring-ass, like.
• 50:37
  Tad Eggleston: completely…
• 50:39
  Tad Eggleston: unoriginal, not bad, but not good landscape paintings that they have all over the place. What do you want to bet that every one of those, somebody got paid $200 for?
• 50:53
  Moritz Junker: I don't know, I…
• 50:55
  Tad Eggleston: That's my hunch, my hunch.
• 50:57
  Moritz Junker: Maybe.
• 50:57
  Tad Eggleston: Like, every one of those you see anywhere, somebody who decided that I'm gonna focus on this market, where they want to have the original art, but also don't want anything that will either get stolen or offend anybody.
• 51:13
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah, I guess so.
• 51:15
  Tad Eggleston: They…
• 51:16
  Moritz Junker: But I feel like…
• 51:17
  Tad Eggleston: We're at a time.
• 51:20
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, but how many people do you think can do that as a job, like, in the world? Like, 100?
• 51:25
  Tad Eggleston: Probably not a lot.
• 51:25
  Moritz Junker: Like, you know… Particularly because.
• 51:27
  Tad Eggleston: I think most artists would, like.
• 51:30
  Tad Eggleston: not want to do that, is it? That's true, yeah, I don't know.
• 51:35
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I guess, I don't know, I never think about where.
• 51:37
  Tad Eggleston: Though I will also.
• 51:38
  Moritz Junker: Someone has to make it.
• 51:38
  Tad Eggleston: Most artists completely undervalue their own work.
• 51:45
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 51:46
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I say this as somebody married to an artist that always, like.
• 51:50
  Tad Eggleston: You know, she'll get commissioned to do this or that, and, like, wanna give, like, this ridiculously low price, and it's like, how many hours are you gonna spend on it?
• 51:59
  Tad Eggleston: Well, like, 3 hours.
• 52:01
  Tad Eggleston: and you're charging 50 bucks? Well, yeah. And I'm like, so your time is worth the same as the guy at the McDonald's drive-thru.
• 52:12
  Moritz Junker: It was probably also underpaid, you know, like…
• 52:15
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yes!
• 52:16
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, you know, like, yeah.
• 52:17
  Tad Eggleston: But even so, the guy at the McDonald's drive-thru, and I have the utmost respect for the guy at the McDonald's drive-thru, and he should be getting paid more, but he doesn't have the same skill as somebody who's being commissioned to do an art piece.
• 52:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. And if he is, he should also get paid better than he does when he says.
• 52:35
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:35
  Tad Eggleston: I threw it.
• 52:36
  Moritz Junker: No, I get you, yeah.
• 52:38
  Tad Eggleston: I, I was having lunch with, I was actually having lunch in Milwaukee before stopping in at Lion's Tooth with,
• 52:48
  Tad Eggleston: dennis Kitchen and… Why can't I remember Dan's last name right now?
• 52:55
  Tad Eggleston: But I looked up, and, like, there was a painting on the wall that wasn't bad, but I didn't think it was great. I thought it was a little busy, that sort of thing, and it was priced at $400. And I asked them, like.
• 53:08
  Tad Eggleston: Do you think that's a reasonable price for that? And they're like, yes.
• 53:12
  Tad Eggleston: Because… A.
• 53:15
  Moritz Junker: It's probably a lot of work.
• 53:16
  Tad Eggleston: Somebody's gonna like putting that in their living room.
• 53:19
  Tad Eggleston: B.
• 53:20
  Tad Eggleston: It's probably at least 3 or 4 hours worth of work.
• 53:22
  Tad Eggleston: And art is a skill profession.
• 53:25
  Moritz Junker: Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I get you.
• 53:28
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 53:30
  Tad Eggleston: So, this is partially my way of also saying, like, don't undersell your comics, though you don't seem to. You've got decent prices on them.
• 53:42
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I think 8… well, mediocrity, I think, should be $2 more.
• 53:50
  Moritz Junker: Well, that's, you know, that's like…
• 53:51
  Tad Eggleston: Position, you could have made a dollar more.
• 53:54
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, maybe.
• 53:56
  Moritz Junker: But I also wanna…
• 53:58
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 53:59
  Moritz Junker: Those are from when I was younger, you know, that's, like, from a year ago, mediocrity, that's probably, like, 3 years ago.
• 54:04
  Moritz Junker: I'll, I'll bump him up as I can.
• 54:06
  Tad Eggleston: I'm saying, when you put something on the table from now on, $5 is your bare minimum.
• 54:12
  Moritz Junker: $10 a year.
• 54:13
  Tad Eggleston: affair for literally anything. And if you want to arrange for people to be able to give you money without, like.
• 54:22
  Tad Eggleston: Having to spend 10 bucks? Have stickers.
• 54:25
  Tad Eggleston: They cost you a dime, you charge a dollar.
• 54:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 54:28
  Moritz Junker: Sure, okay, yeah, yeah.
• 54:31
  Tad Eggleston: This is my advice to, like, all…
• 54:35
  Moritz Junker: Fix my margins.
• 54:36
  Tad Eggleston: It's like… Whatever it costs you to make it.
• 54:41
  Tad Eggleston: At least triple that.
• 54:43
  Tad Eggleston: At least triple that.
• 54:46
  Moritz Junker: Okay.
• 54:46
  Tad Eggleston: Because the most… the most…
• 54:52
  Tad Eggleston: There's… there's no distributor, there's no middleman, there's no store that needs to get profit.
• 54:58
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 55:02
  Tad Eggleston: So, like…
• 55:04
  Tad Eggleston: The supply shouldn't be what you're basing the price on. The work that you did should be what you're basing the price on.
• 55:12
  Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense?
• 55:14
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:16
  Tad Eggleston: And for that matter, it also gives you the ability to…
• 55:19
  Tad Eggleston: Put it on consignment places without giving up all the…
• 55:23
  Moritz Junker: Come on, sir.
• 55:24
  Tad Eggleston: You might have made.
• 55:25
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, if you spent $4 to make it, and you put a $5 price tag on it, and you decide to put it consignment somewhere where they're gonna take $2.
• 55:35
  Moritz Junker: Yeah. You will make no money.
• 55:38
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 55:39
  Moritz Junker: You lost money to sell it. Yeah. No, that's true.
• 55:44
  Tad Eggleston: And, and, like, I get the making your name and that sort of thing, but, like…
• 55:49
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, well, I think also, like.
• 55:52
  Moritz Junker: you know, initially, it was just like… I used to just, like, make comics and copy them and then, like, give them to my friends, because I was like.
• 55:58
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah, I mean.
• 55:59
  Moritz Junker: Yes. Who knows?
• 56:00
  Tad Eggleston: That's a whole different thing, though. Frankly, charge those bastards. Charge them in reverse. Say, just pick up the phone and say.
• 56:07
  Moritz Junker: Okay, you owe me.
• 56:08
  Tad Eggleston: That comic I gave you 10.
• 56:09
  Moritz Junker: $3.
• 56:11
  Tad Eggleston: You owe me 10 bucks!
• 56:13
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 56:15
  Tad Eggleston: Appreciate it in value.
• 56:16
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah, inflation, man. That would have been $2, then now it's, like, $4.
• 56:23
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 56:24
  Moritz Junker: I'm sorry, I just, I want…
• 56:27
  Tad Eggleston: And I put.
• 56:27
  Moritz Junker: No, I get you, I'm gonna…
• 56:28
  Tad Eggleston: You saw…
• 56:30
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but you know I put my money where my mouth is, too. You saw how much Kelly and I wound up buying walking up and down the road. We're teachers, you know.
• 56:40
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:41
  Tad Eggleston: But that's also part of my point, is, like, most people understand that indie comics people,
• 56:49
  Tad Eggleston: Aren't in it for the money.
• 56:53
  Tad Eggleston: And certainly aren't, like, getting fat off the money. You know what I mean? Yeah. So those of us who want to go support it, we actually kind of want to… I mean, I actually do two things. I mean, the first thing is that, like, I buy way too many indie comics. I, like, have a backlog of ones that I haven't gotten to. I love having…
• 57:13
  Tad Eggleston: People like you on the show, just because it makes me read your stuff.
• 57:17
  Tad Eggleston: Makes me… makes me kick it to the front of the list. You know what I mean?
• 57:22
  Moritz Junker: Liam.
• 57:24
  Tad Eggleston: But the other thing that I have a tendency to do is, like, if I… if I have, like, 4 books, and you tell me the total's 22, I'll give you 30.
• 57:33
  Moritz Junker: That's sweet.
• 57:34
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, that's easier. Cause I'm like…
• 57:37
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, 22's not enough.
• 57:40
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah.
• 57:41
  Tad Eggleston: And since we're doing this by Venmo, how are you gonna stop me?
• 57:45
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 57:48
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, true that.
• 57:50
  Tad Eggleston: I… I should be thinking about bed, because, you know, I have to get up way too early tomorrow morning. But, I have a favorite question to ask everybody, and that is…
• 58:02
  Tad Eggleston: Tell me something you love.
• 58:05
  Tad Eggleston: Preferably a comic?
• 58:07
  Tad Eggleston: But we don't really have rules.
• 58:10
  Moritz Junker: Huh.
• 58:10
  Tad Eggleston: Preferably storytelling, but again, with the rules.
• 58:14
  Tad Eggleston: It's something that you love.
• 58:17
  Tad Eggleston: That not enough people around you have experienced, and you really, really want them to, so you have more people to talk about it with.
• 59:18
  Moritz Junker: I'd say… I don't know.
• 59:25
  Moritz Junker: Something I love that more people should experience.
• 59:29
  Tad Eggleston: I'd say…
• 59:34
  Tad Eggleston: And not just more people should experience, more people should experience so that you can talk with them about it.
• 59:41
  Moritz Junker: Hmm.
• 59:42
  Tad Eggleston: We want to be able to share this experience on some level.
• 59:52
  Moritz Junker: Wait, hmm.
• 1:00:02
  Tad Eggleston: This is where I should point out for listeners that Moritz doesn't have bookshelves behind him to cheat the way so many of the other guests on the show do, where they immediately turn around and be like…
• 1:00:12
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, in my room.
• 1:00:13
  Tad Eggleston: Just a small curve.
• 1:00:15
  Moritz Junker: You know, I would say, like.
• 1:00:18
  Moritz Junker: You know, do you know Jeffrey Brown?
• 1:00:21
  Moritz Junker: Cartoonist, Jeffrey Brown.
• 1:00:24
  Tad Eggleston: I don't do a bunch.
• 1:00:25
  Moritz Junker: wheel.
• 1:00:25
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, like, know him.
• 1:00:28
  Moritz Junker: Okay, that's cool.
• 1:00:29
  Tad Eggleston: He's been.
• 1:00:31
  Moritz Junker: I don't know, to him.
• 1:00:31
  Tad Eggleston: I feel like he's the area.
• 1:00:34
  Moritz Junker: He's not talked about enough. I think he's… he's really cool.
• 1:00:36
  Moritz Junker: And… I, like, I don't know, I read…
• 1:00:40
  Moritz Junker: like, he did the Star Wars books, I read those when I was a kid, and then…
• 1:00:44
  Moritz Junker: later, I, like, read his, like, adult books, and I was like, oh, these are so cool, and then I was like, wait, this is the same guy! So I would say him. Yep. I don't know, he's…
• 1:00:51
  Tad Eggleston: And for me, I did it the other way around.
• 1:00:55
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:00:57
  Tad Eggleston: And then when my kids were young is when his Star Wars book started, because his kids are a little bit younger than mine, and that's when he started doing those.
• 1:01:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. So when his kids were young is when he did the Star Wars books.
• 1:01:09
  Tad Eggleston: And… I would get them to read to my children.
• 1:01:17
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, that's… that's… I kind of…
• 1:01:20
  Moritz Junker: it made me kind of chuckle, because I was like, oh, that's like,
• 1:01:23
  Moritz Junker: Probably how most people read his stuff.
• 1:01:25
  Tad Eggleston: And actually, actually, I will totally, totally, totally plug to you, even, his most recent book, Hulk Teach.
• 1:01:37
  Moritz Junker: I saw, like, Free Comic Book Day 1. I read that. Yeah. Like, the…
• 1:01:40
  Tad Eggleston: Hulked.
• 1:01:41
  Moritz Junker: That's part of it. That was really fun.
• 1:01:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's so good.
• 1:01:45
  Moritz Junker: I sent him some of my comics, and he, like, sent back a postcard, which was really sweet.
• 1:01:49
  Tad Eggleston: I believe it.
• 1:01:50
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, he's like… I don't know, I like them.
• 1:01:53
  Tad Eggleston: He's a really good guy.
• 1:01:55
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 1:01:55
  Tad Eggleston: You know he's local.
• 1:01:58
  Moritz Junker: Little Chicago, right?
• 1:02:00
  Tad Eggleston: Chicago suburbs.
• 1:02:02
  Moritz Junker: Okay, yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Tad Eggleston: It's probably less than an hour from you.
• 1:02:06
  Moritz Junker: Okay.
• 1:02:07
  Moritz Junker: Oh, I could go say hi.
• 1:02:09
  Tad Eggleston: You, you should…
• 1:02:10
  Moritz Junker: Go by unannounced.
• 1:02:11
  Tad Eggleston: No, you should… no, you should convince, convince, Kristen…
• 1:02:18
  Tad Eggleston: Shelly to invite him to the store for a signing.
• 1:02:22
  Moritz Junker: Actually, a good idea.
• 1:02:22
  Tad Eggleston: He's got a new book!
• 1:02:23
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, that's not a bad idea. Yeah, Craig Thompson came in when I was, like, not working one day, and I was like, aw…
• 1:02:30
  Moritz Junker: Like, Chris and Shelly were like, yeah, we were hanging out with Craig Thompson yesterday, and I was like, oh…
• 1:02:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I think I told you… I think I told you at, insert name, the… I was sitting at the table with Dennis Kitchen when he drew the picture that's on the wall there.
• 1:02:49
  Moritz Junker: Oh, yeah, yeah, you did tell me that.
• 1:02:52
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, shit. Fuck, that's cool.
• 1:02:54
  Tad Eggleston: I think that might have been before you moved out to Milwaukee, because you've only been.
• 1:02:58
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, that would have been… a year.
• 1:03:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, cause… yeah, because it was not this summer, this most recent summer, it was the summer before.
• 1:03:08
  Tad Eggleston: So it's like.
• 1:03:10
  Tad Eggleston: Summer 2024.
• 1:03:12
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, that would have been, like.
• 1:03:13
  Tad Eggleston: We met up, and we spent a couple hours just sitting and drinking tea, and…
• 1:03:18
  Tad Eggleston: Talking while he sketched things.
• 1:03:21
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 1:03:23
  Tad Eggleston: So, you know, there's actually a pretty cool comics community in,
• 1:03:28
  Tad Eggleston: Milwaukee, so, like, I hope you enjoy that. Are you gonna be tabling at Milk?
• 1:03:33
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I'm gonna be.
• 1:03:34
  Tad Eggleston: That's right around the corner, isn't it?
• 1:03:36
  Moritz Junker: That's, like, weekend after the next, I think?
• 1:03:39
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, weekend after next. 27th.
• 1:03:43
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 1:03:45
  Tad Eggleston: I might have to see if I can get up there.
• 1:03:48
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  Moritz Junker: I know, I always plan to, and then things get in the way, so, like, this year, I wanna…
• 1:03:58
  Tad Eggleston: Wanna, like, make a bigger point out of it.
• 1:04:03
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 1:04:04
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 1:04:09
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, I don't know, you should come, if you're around.
• 1:04:12
  Tad Eggleston: No, like I said, I, I, it's always a goal of mine, and then…
• 1:04:18
  Tad Eggleston: I either forget or wind up having something going on, but since we're talking about it right now, I am going to look at my calendar. It's a Saturday…
• 1:04:33
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I might be able to make it. I have a therapy session in the evening.
• 1:04:37
  Tad Eggleston: But I can always do that, like… from anywhere.
• 1:04:41
  Moritz Junker: It's, like, in the morning, it's, like, 11 to…
• 1:04:43
  Tad Eggleston: It's 11 to 7.
• 1:04:44
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, yeah, so, like,
• 1:04:47
  Tad Eggleston: And I'll probably get done with my last Saturday morning podcast around 11, so I could get up there by noon.
• 1:04:54
  Tad Eggleston: Which would give me 4 hours to still be home by 5.
• 1:04:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, we're gonna… we're gonna make certain that we throw that on the calendar now.
• 1:05:04
  Moritz Junker: Nice.
• 1:05:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, this is what we do on the air, rather than saying, turning off the recording and saying goodnight, or saying goodnight and turning off the recording. We talk about scheduling, and then we go, oh yeah, this might not be… We're still recording, yeah.
• 1:05:18
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, this might not be the.
• 1:05:20
  Tad Eggleston: Interesting to our listeners. Hi, Mom!
• 1:05:24
  Moritz Junker: Yeah, you guys can come too, you know?
• 1:05:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, no, we… I should, I should definitely, let's give the full plug here. The Milwaukee Indy Local Comics Fest, on, on September 27th from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. at…
• 1:05:43
  Tad Eggleston: the… 3rd Street Market Hall.
• 1:05:48
  Tad Eggleston: Which is 275 West Wisconsin Avenue, Milwaukee. It is a free event.
• 1:05:56
  Tad Eggleston: Moritz is tabling there. I'm certain that other cool people will be tabling there. Do we have a list of guests anywhere?
• 1:06:04
  Tad Eggleston: Look at our special guests. I do. I have a list of special guests. Maggie Umber will be there. John Porcellino will be there.
• 1:06:13
  Moritz Junker: Yeah.
• 1:06:14
  Tad Eggleston: blue… Delicanti? Who I don't actually know.
• 1:06:24
  Moritz Junker: But their work looks good.
• 1:06:28
  Tad Eggleston: So yeah. So yeah, we got some cool people there.
• 1:06:32
  Tad Eggleston: So, if you're in the Milwaukee area, or not, but like to drive, September 27th.
• 1:06:40
  Tad Eggleston: And you should come down for cake next year.
• 1:06:45
  Tad Eggleston: You would enjoy the Chicago Alternative Comic Constitution. That's in August, right?
• 1:06:50
  Tad Eggleston: It's often actually in June or July.
• 1:06:55
  Moritz Junker: Oh, okay. Yeah, I should probably… But I don't know if it's been…
• 1:06:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, keep in touch. I'll drag you places with me. I have a car. I like comics dudes. Yeah, weird.
• 1:07:06
  Moritz Junker: dear.
• 1:07:07
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 1:07:08
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know how you would guess that I like comics dudes. This is only, like, the 695th recording of 22 pedals in less than 4 years.
• 1:07:20
  Moritz Junker: Nice.
• 1:07:21
  Tad Eggleston: So for Moritz Junker, this has been 22 Panels, and we will see you after the next page.