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The Late Debate | 8 August · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lately, General man, welcome the late debase. Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and cayleb Bond coming up.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know how far you'd go to get
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Speaker 2: rid of a spider from your car. But in a
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Speaker 2: story that could only take place in North Queensland, one
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Speaker 2: guy goes the whole way. We'll show you what happens
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Speaker 2: a little later. Plus when we look at the papers,
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Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper tomorrow has a big expose on the
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Speaker 2: ndis you guessed it, more funding problems and Quantus makes
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Speaker 2: some decisions about how they will approach political and social
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Speaker 2: issues going forward. I know you're intrigued.
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Speaker 1: We all are. We'll talk about that a little later.
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Speaker 2: But first, there's a few nervous politicians in Queensland after
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Speaker 2: it was revealed private conversations at the offices of the
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Speaker 2: United Workers Union have been recorded for at least the
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Speaker 2: past twelve months now. This is important because it was
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Speaker 2: the United Workers Union that was responsible for getting rid
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Speaker 2: of Station Pealage and inserting Stephen Miles as the Queensland
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Speaker 2: premiere at the end of last year. Oh to have
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Speaker 2: been a fly on the wall when those discussions were
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Speaker 2: taking place, Well there was no fly, but there were
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Speaker 2: CCTV cameras and they weren't only watching. Turns out they
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Speaker 2: were listening. Now, all of this came to light when
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Speaker 2: a union worker was accused of using drugs on site
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Speaker 2: and sacked. He's taken the union to court alleging unfair dismissal,
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Speaker 2: and as part of that claim, he's seeking all CCTV
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Speaker 2: footage featuring himself to be released. Now the union have
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Speaker 2: fought that claim, saying we can't do that because we've
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Speaker 2: only just realized that the contractor who installed the CCTV
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Speaker 2: cameras accidentally switched on the audio recording feature as well,
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Speaker 2: and so if we release all of that, the video
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Speaker 2: and the audio, we'd be in breach of privacy laws. Well, amazingly,
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Speaker 2: the Fair Work Commission has said no, no, whatever footage
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Speaker 2: exists of that worker, it should all be released, including
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Speaker 2: the audio. Now there's a few things to this story.
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Speaker 2: There's a privacy issue. There's obviously do we believe the
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Speaker 2: union that this was all just a big mistake by
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Speaker 2: the contractor. But the most intriguing part Calebin Liz, is
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Speaker 2: that most of the CCTV footage relating to the period
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Speaker 2: of time where this worker was alleged to have used
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Speaker 2: drugs on site is around the same time that many
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Speaker 2: union officials and current Labor Cabinet ministers were having little
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Speaker 2: meetings at the union offices about what they would do
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Speaker 2: regarding Anastasia Palage and whether Stephen Miles would be an
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Speaker 2: appropriate replacement. Now, I should mention the LNP have referred
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Speaker 2: this matter to the police because of breaches of the
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Speaker 2: Privacy Act. But it's an intriguing story, and as I said,
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Speaker 2: there would be some nervous people right now waiting to
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Speaker 2: see what is going to be made public.
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Speaker 3: You would think, so, I mean, for goodness sake, if
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Speaker 3: the security cameras out in our newsroom and in other
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Speaker 3: certain parts of this building have the audio enabled, I
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Speaker 3: am sunk, is all.
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Speaker 1: I can say. And it really makes you think.
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Speaker 3: You would ordinarily think, Okay, you walk into a shop
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Speaker 3: or an office or wherever there's a security camera there.
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Speaker 3: You're kind of under the understanding that it's filming you
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Speaker 3: while you're there, but you wouldn't immediately think that it
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Speaker 3: has the audio enabled. Now terribly convenient for the union
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Speaker 3: that they've only just realized that they were recording all
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Speaker 3: this audio for about a year. But not only would
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Speaker 3: you be nervous, I suppose about the fact that it
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Speaker 3: might have recorded you when you're in there, particularly if
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Speaker 3: you went in for a high level political meeting, but
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Speaker 3: anyone who walked into that office and unknowingly had their
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Speaker 3: video not video but audio recorded, their voice recorded should
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Speaker 3: be apoplectic because you should be told that in most places,
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Speaker 3: if you walk in and there is a camera there,
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Speaker 3: warned in some way that there is a camera there.
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Speaker 3: Of course, no warning was given that audio was being recorded.
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Speaker 3: Not only is that a great breach of privacy, it's
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Speaker 3: almost treacherous. And if they didn't know until this point,
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Speaker 3: they have just discovered the greatest treasure trove of content
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Speaker 3: that they could possibly have ever hoped for. I mean, look,
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Speaker 3: you know it's I don't know whether it would be
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Speaker 3: illegal now to go back through all of that recording
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Speaker 3: and use it in some way.
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Speaker 4: Well what illegal to record exactly?
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Speaker 5: Which is why it's so hilarious that when the court
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Speaker 5: requested this because of this fellow's fair workcase and the
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Speaker 5: union saying no, we couldn't possibly release this because we've
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Speaker 5: just realized that not only were we filming, but there's audio,
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Speaker 5: and we don't want to break the Privacy Act. You've
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Speaker 5: already broken the Privacy Act by recording people unbeknownst to
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Speaker 5: them for months and months around the clock too.
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Speaker 4: This was twenty four hour valent.
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Speaker 5: So this bloke who simply needed the footage from the
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Speaker 5: second and the fifth of October when he's alleged to
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Speaker 5: have been caught out taking drugs on the premises, has
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Speaker 5: blown this whole case wide open. And this is disastrous
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Speaker 5: timing for Miles right, because this creates a reminder for
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Speaker 5: everyone who he's tied to how he became premiere, this
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Speaker 5: back room, factional, union driven deal that was done that
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Speaker 5: saw him in power. It also reminds everyone that out
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Speaker 5: of his nineteen strong cabinet, twelve of them are in
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Speaker 5: Gary Bullock's pocket.
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Speaker 4: Twelve of them belong to this same union, and this.
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Speaker 5: Union is so dodgy they want everyone to believe, Oh.
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Speaker 4: We haven't been recording totally on most us.
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Speaker 5: It was a CZTV guy and he just gave us
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Speaker 5: an extra feature that we never us for and we
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Speaker 5: made it very I mean, what CCTV footage do you
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Speaker 5: know of that does include audio. Everyone says, CCTV, we
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Speaker 5: all think of the mute footage, right, That's what the
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Speaker 5: cops use. That's what everyone uses. That's what you just mentioned.
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Speaker 5: When you walk into a shop and you see it
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Speaker 5: up there, there's no sound being recorded, it's.
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Speaker 4: Just the images.
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Speaker 5: And you mean to tell me they just got some
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Speaker 5: weird CCTV contractor.
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Speaker 4: Who was like, I'm just gonna do audio as well.
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Speaker 5: Can you imagineable like you're asking, you're asking us to
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Speaker 5: believe a bit too much.
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Speaker 3: All the people watching at home tonight who are going
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Speaker 3: to work in an office or wherever tomorrow will now
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Speaker 3: be thinking, hang on, has the boss been recording me
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Speaker 3: in the lunch.
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Speaker 4: Room what I've been saying?
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Speaker 3: Oh my god. I slagged off another colleague and said,
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Speaker 3: you're like, you have reasonable belief that you're having quote
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Speaker 3: unquote private conversation in certain parts of your workplace. And
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Speaker 3: this opens up the possibility that perhaps you haven't been
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Speaker 3: because if it can be done at the uwu's offices,
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Speaker 3: how many other officers workplaces, supermarkets, shops, whatever across the
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Speaker 3: country could this have been done at And if someone
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Speaker 3: realized if you were an employer, obviously this has all
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Speaker 3: been blown out because it's gone to fair work. But
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Speaker 3: if you were an employer who realized that this ability
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Speaker 3: had been enabled by a contractor, let's just buy that
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Speaker 3: idea for a minute, that this was enabled by a contractor,
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Speaker 3: and you later realized when you went to check the
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Speaker 3: CCTV footage for some reason or another that the audio
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Speaker 3: was enabled, would you, as an employer change that. Would
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Speaker 3: you go and tell your staff that they had been recorded,
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Speaker 3: or would you secretly go, hmm, this could be useful
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Speaker 3: one day, and you couldn't blame them for doing it,
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Speaker 3: because of course it's an upper handful.
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Speaker 2: This explains you know, we've always wanted why.
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Speaker 1: Do unions have so much power?
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Speaker 2: Now we know because they invite government ministers in from
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Speaker 2: it for a meeting. Where should we have at the
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Speaker 2: local coffee shop? No, no, let's have it in our offices.
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Speaker 2: They're comfortable, you'll feel right home, and you know, consequently
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Speaker 2: you've got leverage. But the other funny part about this,
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Speaker 2: if it's true that this was a mistake by the contractor,
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Speaker 2: that they've only just realized, that would imply, would it not,
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Speaker 2: that they've not ever looked at CCTV footage for the
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Speaker 2: past twelve months. Well, because if they'd looked at it,
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Speaker 2: they would have realized, Right, that's the argument. We've just
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Speaker 2: gone looking for this footage and now we've realized have
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Speaker 2: they not looked at any footage for over a year
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Speaker 2: and realized?
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Speaker 1: So it's a little hard to buy.
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Speaker 2: This excuse that it was the contract of what done it?
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Speaker 3: Isn't it just And while we're on the topic of privacy,
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Speaker 3: et cetera, let's go to abadarby And I'm going to
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Speaker 3: open this with a joke which is somewhat unrelated to
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Speaker 3: the topic. But you know what they're well, you know,
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Speaker 3: you know what the difference is between Dubai and Abu Dhabi.
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Speaker 1: Go on, have a guess, Dubai.
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Speaker 5: This is going to have something to do with the
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Speaker 5: fact that that's how you pronounce no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: There's a good Flintstones joke.
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Speaker 2: It's punchline, Jake, I can't remember the punch.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, people in st okay, okay, I'll start get you
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Speaker 3: did not watch that last minute of television has been
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Speaker 3: raised from your memory? What's the difference?
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Speaker 4: What's just a curd? Is going to be funny of it?
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Speaker 1: Clearly really well, what's.
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Speaker 3: The difference between Dubai and Abu Dhrby.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: People in Dubai don't watch The Flintstones but people in
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Speaker 3: Abu Dharby do. Anyway, there you go.
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Speaker 1: That was a long set up job.
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Speaker 5: In anti climax and it is my diary exactly.
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Speaker 3: How look, look, it's it's probably the highlight of your day.
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Speaker 3: Do you view at home? But it is somewhat related.
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Speaker 3: Is somewhat related because of course in The Flintstones, which
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Speaker 3: is about the nineteen fifties, is all this futuristic stuff
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Speaker 3: going on, and that is exactly what's going on in
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Speaker 3: Abu Dharby. Now where they've said that in the Internet
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Speaker 3: National Airport they're going to enable facial recognition. Now you
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Speaker 3: might think of facial recognition, Oh okay, you know, they're just
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Speaker 3: going to be able to see that you've been in
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Speaker 3: the airport and they can monitor that you've been in
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Speaker 3: the airport. No, this thing is going to allow you
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Speaker 3: to move through the airport without producing any papers. So
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Speaker 3: the camera essentially looks at your face identifies who you are.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to pull out your passport,
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Speaker 3: you don't have to pull out a visa because it
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Speaker 3: will all be held electronically and they can tell it
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Speaker 3: the minute you walk into the airport. It essentially means
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Speaker 3: you don't have to go through all the rigmarole that
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Speaker 3: you would normally go through going through an international airport.
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Speaker 3: You just walk in the joint, go through the security
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Speaker 3: clearance and that's it. You are totally done. And of
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Speaker 3: course that sucks people in because they think, well, how
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Speaker 3: good is this? It makes the whole process so much
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Speaker 3: more streamlined. I don't have to worry about leaving my
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Speaker 3: passport at home and all this sort of stuff. But
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Speaker 3: just think about it for a minute. If they can
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Speaker 3: literally track every piece of information they need about you
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Speaker 3: to go through an international airport, and going through an
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Speaker 3: international airport is not an easy task usually, what else
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Speaker 3: could they be monitoring when they've got this facial recognition
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Speaker 3: And we've talked about this before, a story about I
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Speaker 3: think it was the Tube in England where they've been
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Speaker 3: using facial recognition technology that can monitor your moods so
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Speaker 3: they can determine what sort of advertising should potentially be
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Speaker 3: shown to you. Like, they're literally collecting absolutely everything about you,
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Speaker 3: to the point that a camera can look at you
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Speaker 3: and know whether you should be in that airport or not,
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Speaker 3: whether you've got a visa or not, every single piece
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Speaker 3: of that airport that you've moved through before you even
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Speaker 3: know what you've done.
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Speaker 5: And it was insane, really concerning about this. Get this,
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Speaker 5: This is a direct quote from Chief Information Officer Andrew Murphy.
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Speaker 4: He says it's designed with no pre enrollment required.
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Speaker 5: Passengers are automatically regnized and authenticated as they moved through
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Speaker 5: the airport, significantly speeding up the entire process. So he's
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Speaker 5: the airport's chief information officer and he's really tooting his
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Speaker 5: horn about that. But notice no pre enrollment is required.
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Speaker 5: So my first question is, hang on a minute. So
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Speaker 5: I fly into Abu Dhabi, I'm an Australian citizen. How
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Speaker 5: is it you have all my information? How is it
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Speaker 5: that your system can recognize my face, doesn't need my passport?
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Speaker 5: And this is why whenever one of these stories come up,
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Speaker 5: I always argue, do you genuinely think they haven't already
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Speaker 5: amassed all this kind of face ID technology?
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Speaker 4: Or but we don't know that they're using it here
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Speaker 4: in Australia.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, but we do know the good guys Bunnings
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Speaker 5: and Kamar got busted roughly eighteen months ago using this
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Speaker 5: on the millions of Ozzies who walked through their doors
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Speaker 5: and nobody had a clue.
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Speaker 4: They didn't have to disclose it.
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Speaker 5: And again I asked the question, what were you doing
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Speaker 5: with that info?
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Speaker 4: They always treat us like idiots and.
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Speaker 5: Say, oh, we're just doing it to keep people safe, right,
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Speaker 5: so just stop a handful of shoplifters per week. Everybody
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Speaker 5: else has to give up their rights and just live
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Speaker 5: in a surveillance state.
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Speaker 4: I don't think so.
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Speaker 5: So when you've got a major airport like Abu Dhabi
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Speaker 5: just announcing this and saying how grand it is and
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Speaker 5: now people can get through security and don't have to
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Speaker 5: show any papers and everyone's loving it.
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Speaker 4: Hang on a minute, who was asked about this?
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Speaker 5: Because the massive breach of privacy that we're talking about
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Speaker 5: the amount of information that thing has to have on
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Speaker 5: you and can recognize as soon as it looks at
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Speaker 5: your base.
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Speaker 4: And we're talking about an international.
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Speaker 5: Airport here, So again, where are you getting that kind
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Speaker 5: of information regarding people from all.
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Speaker 4: Over the world?
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Speaker 2: Just before we missed the idea completely, And I agree
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Speaker 2: it's not good.
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Speaker 1: He's lining it up.
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Speaker 3: He's lining it up.
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Speaker 4: Could not what you're doing?
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Speaker 2: Could we not take thirty seconds just to ponder how
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Speaker 2: magnificent it would be? They say it would be fifteen
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Speaker 2: minutes from getting dropped off at the curb outside the
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Speaker 2: airport to being at the gate of your plane that's
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Speaker 2: going through customs, through immigration, getting your boarding pass.
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Speaker 1: You don't need it. It's all one.
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Speaker 4: Of those of them. I will trade in my bo
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Speaker 4: it's a valent state. In the name of convenience.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to it.
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Speaker 4: Well, let's go to a cashless society.
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Speaker 5: Then, in the name of convenience, sign up for your
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Speaker 5: digital IDMAC. In the name is so combinion, you should
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Speaker 5: get one.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to agree with you guys that this is
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Speaker 2: a bad thing, But just for a moment, let's consider
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Speaker 2: if it wasn't so nefarious, how great would this technology be. No,
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Speaker 2: it's have you ever stood in a catch like forever?
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Speaker 4: I have?
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Speaker 1: And then you get it there and you line up
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Speaker 1: and trying to get cam immigration.
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Speaker 4: I do not care.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, I agree with you, but just for
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Speaker 2: a second, it was a great thought. It reminds me
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Speaker 2: of the Minority Report. Do you remember that scene where
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Speaker 2: is it Tom Cruise and he's walking through a shopping
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Speaker 2: center and everything is facial recognition, even the billboards, and
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Speaker 2: they recognize him coming towards the billboard and immediately the
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Speaker 2: advertisement on the billboard changes. We've already got that with
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Speaker 2: you know, Instagram. He knows you and knows your algorithms
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Speaker 2: and changes the advertising.
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Speaker 1: This would see. This technology is so close.
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Speaker 2: To what we've seen on science fiction movies in fairly
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Speaker 2: recent times India, it's quite amazing. There's other things as well,
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Speaker 2: like your idea could be stolen, you could be mistaken
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Speaker 2: because it's not perfect technology, right, So next thing you know,
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Speaker 2: you're being jumped by securitys. I'm not Caleb Bond, I
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Speaker 2: promise I'm not.
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Speaker 3: You be really worried if they thought you were Caleb.
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Speaker 1: That good looking.
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Speaker 2: But the other problem, of course, well is even if
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Speaker 2: all of those things were not problematic, it's the normalization
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Speaker 2: of this technology. It's getting people used to it, first
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Speaker 2: in the airport and then in every other area.
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Speaker 4: Just the normalization.
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Speaker 5: It's the implementation of something nobody asks for. We are
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Speaker 5: talking about a full blown surveillance state, and.
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Speaker 4: The power of that is a power that.
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Speaker 5: No government should have, but clearly a lot of them
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Speaker 5: have acquired it, whether it's two hour knowledge or not.
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Speaker 5: No government should have that kind of power. No government
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Speaker 5: should have that much information on you. And in case
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Speaker 5: you're sitting at home and you're kind of one of
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Speaker 5: those case rah people, you know, I'm not a criminal.
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Speaker 5: So if you want to track me, track me, I've
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Speaker 5: got nothing to lose. You can take my privacy, you
16:45
Speaker 5: can take my freedom. I've got nothing to hide. Here's
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Speaker 5: a little clip by Andrew Snowden, one of the massively
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Speaker 5: original whistleblowers at the NSA, one of the most secretive
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Speaker 5: government organizations in the world. Here he is trying to
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Speaker 5: help everyday people like you and me understand why you
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Speaker 5: should care.
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Speaker 6: Why should people care about surveillance, Because even if you're
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Speaker 6: not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded, and
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Speaker 6: the storage capability of these systems increases every year consistently
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Speaker 6: by orders of magnitude, to where it's getting to the
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Speaker 6: point you don't have to have done anything wrong. You
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Speaker 6: simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even
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Speaker 6: by a wrong call, and then they can use this
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Speaker 6: system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision
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Speaker 6: you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with,
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Speaker 6: and attack you on that basis to sort of derive
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Speaker 6: suspicion from an innocent life and paint anyone in the
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Speaker 6: context of a wrongdoer.
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Speaker 5: Whise words from Edward Snowden there people need to realize,
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Speaker 5: especially when we're talking about digital ID, this new age
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Speaker 5: of digital ID. What he just said is exactly what
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Speaker 5: we're already seeing happen in the likes of the UK,
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Speaker 5: who arrested over three thousand people just last year because
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Speaker 5: of things they'd interacted.
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Speaker 4: With on Facebook.
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Speaker 5: So what he's talking about there is they are putting
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Speaker 5: together a genormous dossier on you, conversations that you've had,
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Speaker 5: posts that you've interacted with.
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Speaker 4: Maybe you haven't even interacted with things, but.
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Speaker 5: You have watched this video on YouTube, You've watched this
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Speaker 5: clip on Rumble, you googled this two years ago.
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Speaker 4: They are building what it is to be you, and.
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Speaker 5: That kind of power that gives someone complete power to
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Speaker 5: be able to anticipate your decision making process, what you like,
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Speaker 5: what you hate, and to manipulate you because they figured
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Speaker 5: out how you tick on any given subject.
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Speaker 4: It's just freaky, freaky technology.
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Speaker 5: I wish it didn't exist, but I fear that there's
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Speaker 5: absolutely no putting the genie back into the bottle at
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Speaker 5: this point.
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Speaker 3: And going back to the point that you were making before, James,
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Speaker 3: you know, think for thirty seconds about how wonderful the
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Speaker 3: convenience of it would be. That's how they suck people in,
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Speaker 3: because it's, like you know it is. It is terribly convenient,
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Speaker 3: and the idea of it sounds so wonderful because who
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Speaker 3: doesn't want to make their life easier, But it's giving
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Speaker 3: up that or accepting the easiness, requires you to give
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Speaker 3: up so much more that is so much more powerful
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Speaker 3: and valuable to you in the long run than the
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Speaker 3: thirty or forty five minutes that you managed to buy
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Speaker 3: back by using the technology.
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Speaker 2: That thirty seconds that I sat here just thinking about
19:39
Speaker 2: how glorious. Had I not had you two sitting beside me,
19:42
Speaker 2: I reckon, I would have gone.
19:44
Speaker 3: We're keeping you on the state.
19:46
Speaker 1: Thank God for both of you.
19:47
Speaker 2: The US International Air Transport Association surveyed passengers and found
19:52
Speaker 2: you will not be surprised. Seventy five percent of passengers
19:55
Speaker 2: said they loved the idea thought it was really good.
19:58
Speaker 4: You never know how big those poles are.
20:00
Speaker 5: I'm like, they could just have interviewed or ah, surveyed
20:03
Speaker 5: one hundred people and then been like seventy five percent
20:06
Speaker 5: of passengers. These guys always seem to turn up the
20:09
Speaker 5: research that they want, right look one to roll out
20:13
Speaker 5: this surveillance system.
20:14
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, there's been a massive backlash in the.
20:17
Speaker 5: US when the TSA announced that they were going to
20:21
Speaker 5: roll out similar in four hundred airports across the United
20:25
Speaker 5: States of America, because people actually care about their privacy
20:30
Speaker 5: when you're talking about the United States of America and
20:32
Speaker 5: they've got the guns to back it up.
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Speaker 3: Well, I've just run a survey. It's a world first,
20:37
Speaker 3: exclusive late debate, exclusive survey. I've surveyed the people in
20:42
Speaker 3: this room, and I think we've come back with a
20:44
Speaker 3: one hundred percent denouncement of this technology. One hundred percent
20:50
Speaker 3: of people say this technology is bad.
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Speaker 1: How about the survey was legitimate.
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Speaker 2: They surveyed all the employees of the facial recognition technic
21:01
Speaker 2: and seventy five percent so they could.
21:04
Speaker 1: Let's go to Paris for a second. You remember the.
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Speaker 2: Opening ceremony caused huge controversy and upset for Christians around
21:10
Speaker 2: the world with it mocking the Last Supper, portraying Jesus
21:15
Speaker 2: as an overweight lesbian and the Disciples as transgendered and
21:20
Speaker 2: as drag queens. Well, a group of Christians decided to
21:23
Speaker 2: protest this. They got a bus. They put an image
21:27
Speaker 2: of what happened at the opening ceremony on the bus
21:30
Speaker 2: and wrote the word stop attacking Christians, and they began
21:33
Speaker 2: to drive that around Paris. Well, they were arrested and
21:38
Speaker 2: thrown in jail. Here's some vision of the bus. Let's
21:43
Speaker 2: have a look at that, and you'll see the police
21:45
Speaker 2: escorting them. So for driving that bus around, they were
22:12
Speaker 2: arrested for an unauthorized protest. The group responsible, as I said,
22:17
Speaker 2: six Christians. They put out the following tweet. Six of
22:20
Speaker 2: our team members were forced to spend the night in
22:22
Speaker 2: jail for simply denouncing the mockery of Christians by having
22:26
Speaker 2: the message stop attacks on Christians written on a bus.
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Speaker 1: This is not illegal in any way. As a lawyer states,
22:32
Speaker 1: it appears.
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Speaker 2: Impossible to constitute the crime of failing to communicate a
22:36
Speaker 2: protest because there's no protest in the presence of one
22:40
Speaker 2: unique vehicle. The prosecutor pushed the law to its limits
22:44
Speaker 2: to stop the bus and limit their free speech. Moreover,
22:47
Speaker 2: the procedure was highly irregular. Here's some of the Christians
22:51
Speaker 2: in the back of the police van talking about what's
22:54
Speaker 2: happened to them.
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Speaker 3: So as you can see, I've just been taken into
22:57
Speaker 3: a police van when there right now take the whole
23:01
Speaker 3: cities of local underground. It's going to be taken to
23:04
Speaker 3: the police office, to the police station where they want
23:07
Speaker 3: to play on a report.
23:09
Speaker 4: They found some kind of recent way, had a harper.
23:12
Speaker 5: Start on a here.
23:13
Speaker 4: We did everything, we've been remas we asked if there
23:17
Speaker 4: was a new commission.
23:19
Speaker 3: It seems like it's obviously above and I see it
23:21
Speaker 3: seem they it's an ideological attack.
23:24
Speaker 1: That's absolutely ridiculous. Clearly it's not a protest.
23:27
Speaker 2: It's a singular vehicle with a message that the French
23:30
Speaker 2: government didn't like because it shamed them and embarrassed them.
23:35
Speaker 4: I mean, this is hair raising.
23:37
Speaker 5: There was no protest, there was no riot. You've got
23:40
Speaker 5: a bus driving around. They had been driving around since
23:44
Speaker 5: nine am that morning. They were arrested at gunpoint. We're
23:50
Speaker 5: told the bus was stopped, surrounded by police and stopped
23:54
Speaker 5: at seven pm, so from nine am just peaceably driving around.
24:01
Speaker 5: Obviously this was reported by someone to someone who took
24:05
Speaker 5: great exception to it. They were making no noise, there
24:08
Speaker 5: was no kind of upheaval, no kind of upset whatsoever.
24:13
Speaker 5: Peaceably driving around. The sign says it all. So that
24:18
Speaker 5: was the extent of the protest. And these guys spent
24:22
Speaker 5: a night in jail. They spent a night in jail
24:27
Speaker 5: for very respectfully, very quietly making their.
24:33
Speaker 4: This was very distasteful, This was blasphemous.
24:35
Speaker 5: This was disrespectful to our faith, as they should and
24:39
Speaker 5: have every right to do, apparently unless you're in France.
24:43
Speaker 5: So they're now going to press charges against this, and
24:47
Speaker 5: that is going to be a very serious and I
24:51
Speaker 5: hope a groundbreaking court case because they're like, you arrested
24:57
Speaker 5: us for doing nothing wrong, literally by your own laws.
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Speaker 4: We have broken no laws whatsoever. There was zero disturbance
25:04
Speaker 4: of the piece.
25:05
Speaker 5: So it's going to be really interesting following this to
25:07
Speaker 5: see what the state comes up with to justify surrounding
25:11
Speaker 5: their vehicle at gunpoint and making these guys, six of
25:16
Speaker 5: them plus the bus driver, spend a night in jail.
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Speaker 2: Maybe if it was an electric bus.
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Speaker 3: Just indulge me for a moment. I'm going to mount
25:24
Speaker 3: an argument in favor of this, because I hate bumper stickers,
25:30
Speaker 3: particularly political bumper stickers. And if they could apply this
25:34
Speaker 3: rule in Australia so that anyone driving around with like
25:37
Speaker 3: a Greens bumper sticker or something on the back of
25:40
Speaker 3: the deck, save the whales, you know, put up the
25:43
Speaker 3: wind turbines. That is exactly the same premise here. That's
25:47
Speaker 3: some sort of protest and we're going to reach everyone
25:49
Speaker 3: driving around with one of those bumper stickers. I wouldn't
25:51
Speaker 3: mind that so much. When I lived in South Melbourne,
25:53
Speaker 3: I used to drive past this car all the time
25:56
Speaker 3: and it had an f Sky newsed bumper sticker on
25:58
Speaker 3: the back of it, and I wouldn't have mind it
25:59
Speaker 3: if I got locked up. Now I am joking, because
26:02
Speaker 3: this is a flagrant attack on free speech. Like if
26:07
Speaker 3: you cannot that was a simply peaceful message written on
26:11
Speaker 3: the side of a bus. If you can't drive around
26:14
Speaker 3: doing that, how can you openly run any kind of
26:17
Speaker 3: political campaign? And we then to suggest that someone on
26:21
Speaker 3: the side of a road with an a frame sign
26:24
Speaker 3: saying you know, I don't know. Once upon a time
26:26
Speaker 3: it would have been free Julian assane or something that
26:29
Speaker 3: that was some sort of unauthorized protest because there was
26:32
Speaker 3: one person waving a flag. And it says so much
26:36
Speaker 3: that what we saw at the Olympic opening ceremony was
26:41
Speaker 3: allowed to go ahead. That was an expression of free
26:44
Speaker 3: speech that was totally condoned and attack on religion that
26:47
Speaker 3: there was no problem with that. But someone drives around
26:51
Speaker 3: with a bus that simply says stop attacking Christians, and
26:55
Speaker 3: that is somehow an unauthorized protest that needs to be stopped.
26:59
Speaker 3: I think says it all, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: If you attack Christians, that's perfectly fine. They broadcast it
27:03
Speaker 2: to an international audience. But if you drive around the
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Speaker 2: streets of parisaying please don't attack Christians, well that constitutes
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Speaker 2: an offense.
27:11
Speaker 4: Now you're in trouble.
27:12
Speaker 1: How dare you?
27:13
Speaker 4: How dare you ask not to how dare you ask
27:16
Speaker 4: to be treated with some respect? Ridiculous?
27:20
Speaker 5: Before we go to a break, there's this great story
27:23
Speaker 5: about NASA.
27:24
Speaker 4: So remember when we.
27:25
Speaker 5: Were talking about how Boeing's not been doing too well lately.
27:29
Speaker 4: The DOJ took them to court.
27:31
Speaker 5: There was a small matter of those two planes that crash,
27:34
Speaker 5: killing everyone on board.
27:36
Speaker 4: They're still being held to account.
27:37
Speaker 5: For that and pleading guilty to a few things, but
27:40
Speaker 5: got off lightly with a sweetheart deal. And we joked
27:43
Speaker 5: at the time, were the people who were flying into
27:48
Speaker 5: space on Boeing vehicles? Were they worried maybe they weren't
27:53
Speaker 5: going to make it home safely. Well, it turns out
27:56
Speaker 5: they are stuck up in space and drink how to
28:00
Speaker 5: get home, and Elon Musk's Space X is going maybe.
28:05
Speaker 4: We better rescue these guys, although to their credit, they
28:10
Speaker 4: are keeping in very good spirits while they're stuck up there.
28:13
Speaker 4: Check out of.
28:15
Speaker 5: Them having their own little Olympics since they're missing out
28:19
Speaker 5: on it while they're out in space. Hilariously, Steve Stitch,
28:54
Speaker 5: program manager for NASA's Commercial Cruise, trying to trying to
28:59
Speaker 5: find out what the best way forward is and what
29:01
Speaker 5: the heck happened on this Boeing machinery they've.
29:04
Speaker 4: Used to get up there.
29:06
Speaker 5: He says, I think the NASA community in general would
29:09
Speaker 5: like to understand a little.
29:11
Speaker 4: Bit more of the root cause and the physics.
29:14
Speaker 5: I think especially the people who arrived on board that
29:18
Speaker 5: particularly Boeing vehicle and now are wondering how.
29:23
Speaker 4: To get home.
29:24
Speaker 5: This was supposed to be an eight week long journey, sorry,
29:29
Speaker 5: no long journey, and now is blowing out to potentially
29:34
Speaker 5: eight months long because they're just like, well, I guess
29:37
Speaker 5: we're in it for the long haul until somebody can
29:39
Speaker 5: get us home.
29:40
Speaker 2: This all goes back to when NASA decommissioned the space shuttles,
29:45
Speaker 2: and then to get into space they either had to
29:47
Speaker 2: get the ride with the Russians or they had to
29:49
Speaker 2: get some private company to do it. So they gave
29:51
Speaker 2: multi billion dollar contracts to Boeing and to SpaceX, owned
29:55
Speaker 2: by Elon Musk. And you'd expect Boeing to be all
29:58
Speaker 2: over this, but of course, as you said, is they've
30:01
Speaker 2: had so many problems with their aircraft. I mean, spacecraft
30:04
Speaker 2: are so much more complicated. Some of their initial efforts
30:08
Speaker 2: at this star line of spacecraft. This is Boeing software bugs,
30:12
Speaker 2: meant some of the first rockets they shot went in
30:14
Speaker 2: the wrong direction. Then they had flammable tape inside the
30:18
Speaker 2: cabin of the space ship, which is probably not good.
30:22
Speaker 1: Two liftoffs were aborted.
30:24
Speaker 2: And finally when they got a couple of astronauts on
30:27
Speaker 2: this spacecraft going to the International Space Station.
30:31
Speaker 1: It had thruster problems and.
30:32
Speaker 2: Gas leaks that they're still trying to work out what
30:35
Speaker 2: this And like you said, is I don't blame the
30:37
Speaker 2: astronauts for saying we'd like to understand a little bit
30:40
Speaker 2: more of the root cause before we get back in
30:42
Speaker 2: this thing and try and make it to Earth. So, now,
30:46
Speaker 2: elon Musk, who's getting smashed by governments all around the world.
30:50
Speaker 2: But the American the Biden administration can make a choice,
30:53
Speaker 2: can't They your astronauts and can come back with Musk,
30:56
Speaker 2: or there's a Russian rocket.
30:58
Speaker 3: They can hitch a ride with which with which one
31:02
Speaker 3: would you trust more? The Russians who've been trying to
31:05
Speaker 3: beat us in the space race in forever, you know,
31:07
Speaker 3: while might just magically combust on the way home all Boeing,
31:11
Speaker 3: which may well do exactly the same thing. And they're
31:14
Speaker 3: surmising that, you know, maybe it was like some of
31:16
Speaker 3: the valves were too small, Like okay, but before you
31:20
Speaker 3: got on a rocket ship to go up to the
31:22
Speaker 3: International Space Station, you'd like to think they'd done their
31:27
Speaker 3: due diligence.
31:28
Speaker 1: To make sure that every little bit.
31:29
Speaker 3: Of that vessel was exactly as it should be but no,
31:34
Speaker 3: it's Boeing. They have doors fly off mid air. And
31:38
Speaker 3: what was the other story? We rely yeah, and they
31:42
Speaker 3: were using mental apparently that had been you know, come
31:45
Speaker 3: out of China, that hadn't been properly accredited, that came
31:50
Speaker 3: showing up dead and you're like, yeah, I'm going to
31:53
Speaker 3: go to space on a Boeing rocket. I would have
31:56
Speaker 3: gone in totally the other direction, now, you know. The
31:59
Speaker 3: one silver lining could potentially be that if you got
32:01
Speaker 3: stuck on the International Space Station and you didn't particularly
32:05
Speaker 3: like your spouse, it may actually be a really nice
32:07
Speaker 3: holiday for a little while. They may well be saying,
32:10
Speaker 3: I don't want to go home. I'm quite enjoying it
32:11
Speaker 3: up here on the International Space Station. And if they're
32:14
Speaker 3: getting up to that sort of fun like the the
32:16
Speaker 3: International Space Station Olympics, I mean I want to know
32:19
Speaker 3: how they do the diving and all the.
32:20
Speaker 2: Stuff that I found that clip offensive to be honest,
32:23
Speaker 2: because I felt like they weren't appreciating the gravity of
32:25
Speaker 2: the city.
32:26
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I can't keep up with the dad jokes.
32:29
Speaker 4: I can't dad jokes.
32:31
Speaker 1: I'll be here again next week.
32:32
Speaker 4: But it's a.
32:33
Speaker 5: Brilliant opportunity for Elon to be the hero here, so
32:37
Speaker 5: he is now launching a rocket on the twenty fourth
32:41
Speaker 5: of September, but it's only going to have two people
32:43
Speaker 5: on board instead of the usual four, so they can
32:47
Speaker 5: go up there, retrieve the two.
32:49
Speaker 4: Lost lambs that Boeing is left.
32:51
Speaker 5: Hanging, and return triumphant in February of next year.
32:55
Speaker 1: I love it. I absolutely love it.
32:57
Speaker 4: I'm like, ahh, what a middle.
33:01
Speaker 5: Finger to Boeing, and Elon, who has been so demonized,
33:04
Speaker 5: gets to be like, you're welcome.
33:07
Speaker 4: Save the day.
33:08
Speaker 3: While we're in the US, things just get worse for
33:11
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. Remember she was appointed the Borders Are by
33:15
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, and then as soon as she was chosen
33:18
Speaker 3: as the Democratic presidential candidate, we were told her she
33:21
Speaker 3: was never the Borders Are. There was nothing to worry about, there,
33:25
Speaker 3: nothing to see there, even though when she went to
33:27
Speaker 3: visit the border one time only once she's actually been
33:31
Speaker 3: down there, they sent everyone through to her to move
33:33
Speaker 3: on all the illegal immigrants, put them up in hotels
33:36
Speaker 3: for a few days, so it all looked lovely and
33:38
Speaker 3: clean when she got down there. And we know that
33:41
Speaker 3: millions and millions of people have poured over the southern
33:44
Speaker 3: border under the Biden administration, because, of course, one of
33:47
Speaker 3: the first things that Biden did as president was to
33:50
Speaker 3: undo the closure of the border that Trump instituted while
33:54
Speaker 3: he was in charge, and to stop building the wall
33:57
Speaker 3: that he had begun. Will we find out today that
34:01
Speaker 3: it's not only all these people who've poured over the border,
34:03
Speaker 3: which we already knew about, but terrorists or alleged terrorists,
34:06
Speaker 3: people who've been on terror watch lists have been released
34:10
Speaker 3: into the US after they were detected at the border.
34:14
Speaker 3: I mean, you'd think if there was anyone you didn't
34:15
Speaker 3: want to lead into the US, even though let millions
34:17
Speaker 3: of them in, these would be the handful few hundred
34:20
Speaker 3: of them that you wouldn't let in. But this has
34:23
Speaker 3: come out of a new House Judiciary Committee report that
34:28
Speaker 3: says under the Baden Harris administration, of the more than
34:30
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty illegal aliens on the terrorist watch
34:33
Speaker 3: list who were encountered by border patrol at the Southwest
34:36
Speaker 3: border between fiscal years twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three,
34:40
Speaker 3: the DHS has released into American communities at least ninety
34:44
Speaker 3: nine with at least thirty four others in DHS custody
34:48
Speaker 3: but not yet removed from the United States. What on
34:52
Speaker 3: earth are they playing at releasing these people into the community.
34:56
Speaker 3: You would think that they would be the easiest ones
34:59
Speaker 3: to just very quietly send back home.
35:01
Speaker 1: But no, even people on terror watch.
35:04
Speaker 3: Lists have been allowed into the US. And I know
35:07
Speaker 3: we keep talking about the fact that it's Kamala's record
35:10
Speaker 3: that could ultimately bring her down. You just need a
35:13
Speaker 3: few of these stories to just keep trickling out between
35:16
Speaker 3: now and November to bring her undone, because even if
35:21
Speaker 3: you were arrested on Kamala's supporter, you'd have to ask
35:24
Speaker 3: the question, why are you releasing potential terrorists into the country.
35:28
Speaker 5: And allowing people in from what they know are very
35:32
Speaker 5: unfriendly countries. I mean, the border patrol has encountered tens
35:36
Speaker 5: of thousands from countries that could present security risks, including
35:41
Speaker 5: over two thousand Afghan nationals, over thirty three thousand Chinese nationals,
35:46
Speaker 5: five hundred and forty one from Iran, five hundred and
35:50
Speaker 5: twenty from Syria, over three thousand from Uzbekistan.
35:55
Speaker 4: So even putting the.
35:57
Speaker 5: Ones that we know are a security rest to a side,
36:01
Speaker 5: you've invited tens of thousands into your country now from
36:05
Speaker 5: unfriendly nations. You don't know how many of those have
36:09
Speaker 5: nefarious intentions.
36:11
Speaker 2: And Nancy Pelosi was right, she said Joe Biden is
36:14
Speaker 2: one of the most consequential presidents in history.
36:17
Speaker 1: Well, there he has some consequences.
36:20
Speaker 4: Has changed the faith for allowing all these.
36:22
Speaker 2: People on terror watch lists into the country, that's for sure.
36:25
Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break.
36:27
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news
36:28
Speaker 2: in tomorrow's papers, including the management of Quantus with some
36:31
Speaker 2: new guidelines around how they'll approach political and social issues
36:35
Speaker 2: going forward.
36:36
Speaker 1: That's coming up in just a moment. Okay, welcome back.
36:41
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
36:43
Speaker 2: Liz store has got the Australian Right, Thank you.
36:46
Speaker 5: James Mcphersonbanese is alternative facts.
36:51
Speaker 4: Check out just how alternative these are. Anthony Albanesi has
36:55
Speaker 4: denied the.
36:57
Speaker 5: Reserve Bank, has blamed higher inflation for asks on state
37:01
Speaker 5: and federal budget spending, widening the split between his government
37:05
Speaker 5: and the Central Bank, and prompting the economists to declare
37:09
Speaker 5: the Prime Minister is wrong.
37:12
Speaker 4: Mate.
37:13
Speaker 5: Michelle Bullock has stared down the barrel and told the
37:18
Speaker 5: entire nation it's due to government spending. So you the
37:23
Speaker 5: head of the government then getting up and trying to
37:26
Speaker 5: tell people.
37:27
Speaker 4: That it's not like, what is this? Are you just
37:31
Speaker 4: accusing the RBA.
37:33
Speaker 5: So he's not accusing the RBA of lying, he's simply
37:36
Speaker 5: lying by saying.
37:38
Speaker 3: They say it, we all heard it.
37:41
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm trying to gas light us into believing we
37:45
Speaker 5: didn't hear our lying.
37:46
Speaker 2: Is is this misinformation or is this a very good, great question?
37:51
Speaker 4: How many years in jail?
37:53
Speaker 3: Very good? And Look, I was skeptical of Michelle Bullock
37:57
Speaker 3: being appointed the new governor of the RBA when it happened,
38:01
Speaker 3: because I felt that we would be better off with
38:03
Speaker 3: someone who hadn't lived in the RBA bubble most of
38:06
Speaker 3: their working life. But I think she's proven herself to
38:10
Speaker 3: be an excellent RBA governor. She is, you know, so
38:14
Speaker 3: much better than Philip Lowe ever was. She is a
38:17
Speaker 3: great communicator, and she's very direct. She just says it
38:21
Speaker 3: how it is, and she's not afraid to ruffle a
38:23
Speaker 3: few feathers as she has in this case. And as
38:26
Speaker 3: I was saying on Shari earlier this evening, the comments
38:30
Speaker 3: of the Prime Minister and the Treasurer Jim Charmers, have
38:33
Speaker 3: been utterly duplicitous because if you read into what Charmers said,
38:39
Speaker 3: and he's rebuked the idea that you know, there is
38:43
Speaker 3: inflation continuing to go up or it will continue to
38:46
Speaker 3: go up because the RBA has forecast at once these
38:49
Speaker 3: subsidies of electricity at SPENNTCA come off, that the headline
38:53
Speaker 3: inflation rate will increase, and Charmers has basically said, well,
38:57
Speaker 3: that's nonsense. It's not like people have spare cash floating
39:01
Speaker 3: around to spend. The point is they don't have spare
39:04
Speaker 3: cash floating around to spend because they've already had to
39:08
Speaker 3: spend all of it to keep up with the price
39:10
Speaker 3: increases that have come with the rate of inflation. And
39:13
Speaker 3: if you look at the figures from the last quarter,
39:16
Speaker 3: it's not discretionary spending that's going up anymore. Discretionary spending
39:20
Speaker 3: has gone down and the inflation figures on those discretionary
39:25
Speaker 3: items have decreased. The inflation lies in essential goods and
39:29
Speaker 3: services like electricity, power, food, etc. So it's not that
39:35
Speaker 3: people are just going out spending money willy nilly because
39:37
Speaker 3: they want to. They're spending money.
39:39
Speaker 1: Because they have to.
39:41
Speaker 3: It's a supply and demand thing, as the RBA has said,
39:45
Speaker 3: and who is responsible for the supply and demand the government,
39:49
Speaker 3: because they've created all this demand with record levels of
39:53
Speaker 3: migration and not enough houses to put these people in,
39:56
Speaker 3: and not enough school places to put the kids.
39:58
Speaker 1: In, et ce.
40:00
Speaker 3: That creates the demand that doesn't meet the supply, and
40:03
Speaker 3: that's how you get inflation. So Charmers, you say, no,
40:06
Speaker 3: the RBA is totally wrong here. You created the problem
40:09
Speaker 3: in the first place, as they're trying to tell you,
40:12
Speaker 3: you can't claim that you've had.
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Speaker 1: Nothing to do with it. It's worse than that.
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Speaker 2: It's a double bind for the government because if the
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Speaker 2: RBA is saying government spending is contributing to inflation, remember
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Speaker 2: it's not just enough for the government to say no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: we're not adding to inflation, because the whole point of
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Speaker 2: their policy was they said, not only will this not
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Speaker 2: add to inflation, this will help to bring inflation down.
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Speaker 1: So to say.
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Speaker 2: That their policy is adding to the problem is a
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Speaker 2: complete discreditation. If that is a word, Liz, it is
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Speaker 2: now of Charmer's entire policy. It wasn't meant to add
40:47
Speaker 2: it was meant to push downward pressure as the Albanez.
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Speaker 1: He loves to see. What we just having is the
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Speaker 1: whole policy is bunk.
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Speaker 5: Well and we've had this for quite some time now,
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Speaker 5: where the RBA is like, what are.
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Speaker 4: You guys doing?
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Speaker 5: Like when Chalmers brought out his new budget and was like,
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Speaker 5: this is gonna be great and don't worry about inflation
41:06
Speaker 5: and rate rises because they're just gonna get better and
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Speaker 5: my budget is counting on it, and the RBA literally
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Speaker 5: came out the next day and we're like, mate, where
41:14
Speaker 5: are you getting that from?
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Speaker 4: Like that's not for you to say.
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Speaker 5: We just seem to be having this nonsensical back and
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Speaker 5: forth between the government and what's supposed to be an
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Speaker 5: independent body, but clearly the government is trying to tell
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Speaker 5: it what to say. Don't tell people it's our fault,
41:30
Speaker 5: and the RBA is like, yeah, no, government spending is
41:33
Speaker 5: driving this, and the Government's like they didn't even say that.
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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
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Speaker 5: It's like kids in the playyard. Next flash on front
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Speaker 5: of yours. Quantous activism only with approval. Quanta CEO Vanessa
41:47
Speaker 5: Hudson will have to get bored approval to involve the
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Speaker 5: airline in any social or party political issues, such as
41:54
Speaker 5: last year's support for the Voice reverendum under recommended changes
41:58
Speaker 5: to corporate governance.
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Speaker 4: Well, well, well this will be interesting.
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Speaker 5: Does this mean we won't get slapped in the face
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Speaker 5: with whatever is the current social cause when boarding or
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Speaker 5: disbarking from a Quantus flight from here on in? Or
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Speaker 5: we will, but this time we'll know it's with the
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Speaker 5: blessing of the entire board, instead of Alan Joyce being like,
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Speaker 5: here's my latest soapbox.
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Speaker 4: Everyone get on board.
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Speaker 3: I bloody will hope it means an end to it.
42:25
Speaker 3: I mean they should go even further. They should have
42:27
Speaker 3: to consult the shareholders before they do any of this
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Speaker 3: sort of stuff, because that was my issue with it,
42:33
Speaker 3: not so much the fact that a corporate body like
42:35
Speaker 3: Quantus had taken a point of view. They're entitled to
42:38
Speaker 3: take a point of view whatever.
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Speaker 5: I don't want to be to enforce it on every
42:42
Speaker 5: customer that then walks in their door.
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Speaker 2: Well, in orders, the CEO entitled to turn the airline
42:48
Speaker 2: essentially into his privates.
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Speaker 3: And this was the issue, right because in the free
42:54
Speaker 3: market you can go with whatever you want, et cetera.
42:57
Speaker 3: And I always thought if you were an investor in
42:59
Speaker 3: quant and they're spending the money that you've invested in
43:02
Speaker 3: the company to take out an ad in the paper
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Speaker 3: to say we support same sex marriage. I invested in
43:07
Speaker 3: Quantus because I want them to run flights and make
43:09
Speaker 3: money for me, not spend money on social causes. And
43:13
Speaker 3: of course what the board of Quantus has now done
43:15
Speaker 3: is gone through everything that happened that led up to
43:19
Speaker 3: Alan Joyce leaving the airline. They've now decided they're ripping
43:23
Speaker 3: some nine million dollars out of the bonuses that he
43:25
Speaker 3: was due to receive because he did such a bad job,
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Speaker 3: because what he did was run the reputation of Quantus
43:32
Speaker 3: into the ground. And what they're now trying to say
43:34
Speaker 3: is well, part of the reason that we lost our
43:36
Speaker 3: reputation is because we were seeing not as the national carrier.
43:40
Speaker 3: We were seen as the national bandwagon mob that just
43:43
Speaker 3: jumped on whatever was the latest cause and spend how
43:46
Speaker 3: many there. I mean, let's not forget that Quantus gave
43:49
Speaker 3: free flights to Yes campaigners in.
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Speaker 1: The Voice referendum.
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Speaker 3: And again, I mean I have thought about pretending to
43:56
Speaker 3: support the Yes campaigns so I could fly between Sydney
43:59
Speaker 3: and Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: And fiction less flood.
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Speaker 3: You know will have got me a free flight. I mean,
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Speaker 3: why wouldn't you get on board with that?
44:06
Speaker 4: Show how easily you are bought?
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Speaker 5: Caleb Bond to the last slash on the front of
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Speaker 5: the oars. Calculation on NDIS price totally broken. Disability service
44:17
Speaker 5: providers are demanding a two billion a year top up
44:20
Speaker 5: to fix a major mathematical error in how prices are
44:24
Speaker 5: set by the agency running the NDIS, which is leading
44:28
Speaker 5: to thousands of providers being underpaid by up to ten
44:31
Speaker 5: percent and becoming financially unviable. Well this is a bit different,
44:37
Speaker 5: isn't it, Because we've been told at nauseum over the
44:41
Speaker 5: last few years how NDIS providers are rolling in the dough.
44:47
Speaker 5: They bump up their prices knowing well it's taxpayer money.
44:50
Speaker 5: Might as well take these flogs for a ride. So
44:53
Speaker 5: people at NDIS rather is paying out far more than
44:57
Speaker 5: an average client would.
44:59
Speaker 4: Be for them the same service. We've been given the
45:02
Speaker 4: impression that these NDIS providers have been just laughing in.
45:09
Speaker 5: What do you call them baths full of money?
45:13
Speaker 2: Well, some of the mar you got to fill for
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Speaker 2: Bill Shorton, Because Bill Shorton, of course, is where you
45:17
Speaker 2: don't have to fil for Bill Shorton, it's quite hilarious.
45:19
Speaker 2: But he's been charged with cut the cost of the
45:22
Speaker 2: ndias right, and now he's got the providers saying no, no,
45:24
Speaker 2: the model. It's always government modeling that gets you. The
45:27
Speaker 2: model was faulty and so we just need extra two
45:30
Speaker 2: billion dollars to pay.
45:32
Speaker 1: Everyone what they need.
45:33
Speaker 2: So you can imagine Bill short and he's trying to
45:35
Speaker 2: find like, you know, one hundred thousand dollars a year
45:37
Speaker 2: and fifty bucks there, and he's got to stump up
45:40
Speaker 2: two billion in extra payments.
45:42
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be cutting costs.
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Speaker 3: We'd like to throw more money at it. That'll certainly
45:46
Speaker 3: fix it. Before we go, let's go to the Advertiser
45:48
Speaker 3: tomorrow where it says quit goes the Spears. David Spears
45:52
Speaker 3: quit the Liberals top job yesterday in South Australia and
45:55
Speaker 3: in a stunning exit statement said he was lacking energy
45:58
Speaker 3: and had quote unquote, had a gut full. The thirty
46:01
Speaker 3: nine year old pondered whether because he was from the
46:03
Speaker 3: southern suburbs, he might have been too different from the
46:06
Speaker 3: Liberal Party. The party is in crisis with no clear successor,
46:10
Speaker 3: and look I can't half blame him for going because
46:12
Speaker 3: Malanowskis is running such a tight ship down there. The
46:15
Speaker 3: Libs are going to be in the wilderness for sixteen
46:17
Speaker 3: years like they were under ran and weather or why
46:19
Speaker 3: would you want to lead the liberal path?
46:20
Speaker 2: Con I point out something about your former newspaper. The
46:23
Speaker 2: headline says David's no Goliath as he bows out lacking energy.
46:26
Speaker 1: David beats Goliath.
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Speaker 2: The Adelaide advertising needs to get back to Sunday School.
46:30
Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
46:32
Speaker 2: How far would you go to get a spider out
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Speaker 2: of your car? You won't believe what this North Queensland
46:37
Speaker 2: guy does.
46:37
Speaker 1: That's coming up in a second.
46:41
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Well caleber great Australian has passed away.
46:44
Speaker 3: That's right. There are landmark events in your life that
46:47
Speaker 3: you remember where you were when they happened, When Diana died,
46:50
Speaker 3: when nine to eleven happened, and people will ask you
46:53
Speaker 3: where were you when Jack Carlson died. Now, if the
46:57
Speaker 3: name does not ring a bell, he is an ab
47:00
Speaker 3: salute Ossie legend. You may remember him for this though.
47:04
Speaker 3: When he was arrested in nineteen ninety one for eating
47:07
Speaker 3: a meal, a succulent Chinese meal.
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Speaker 1: But you just.
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Speaker 4: Assured me that I could speak, So sit down inside
47:17
Speaker 4: the car.
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Speaker 1: You're not assuring anything. I'm under what.
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Speaker 5: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.
47:29
Speaker 1: Have a look at the headlock in. See that chap
47:32
Speaker 1: over the head. This is the blak who got me
47:36
Speaker 1: on the phoenis pople. Get some cups and why did
47:39
Speaker 1: you do this?
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Speaker 3: For what reason?
47:42
Speaker 4: What is the charge?
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Speaker 1: Eating a meal, a succulent Chinese meal. Oh that's you
47:48
Speaker 1: nice headlocks up? Yes, I see that.
47:53
Speaker 3: You know your judo well. And word has it that
47:57
Speaker 3: Copper is competing in the Olympics in Paris this year.
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Speaker 1: So mister Carlson was.
48:02
Speaker 3: A low level crim you know, he'd done a few
48:04
Speaker 3: break and into type things. He was a serial prison escape,
48:08
Speaker 3: so he's not all that stupid. But he somehow wrongly
48:12
Speaker 3: ended up on a list of like the most wanted
48:14
Speaker 3: criminals in Australia. And they busted into this Brisbane restaurant
48:18
Speaker 3: in ninety one thinking he was another guy, and carded
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Speaker 3: him out and arrested him, had the cameras there ready
48:25
Speaker 3: to go, and in the process he gave us one
48:27
Speaker 3: of the best bits of Australian news footage ever taken.
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Speaker 3: He's died at the age of eighty two. Mister Carlson,
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Speaker 3: may rest in peace.
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Speaker 1: Amen, before we go.
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Speaker 2: Having lived in North Queensland, I mean, you've got snakes,
48:39
Speaker 2: you've got crocodiles, you've got poisonous jellyfish, so you wouldn't
48:42
Speaker 2: think a spider would bother you too much. But the
48:45
Speaker 2: Townsville guy was so bothered by a spider in his
48:48
Speaker 2: Nissan pathway he set his car on fire in what
48:53
Speaker 2: the newspaper described as a dramatic removal technique which backfired.
48:58
Speaker 2: Have a look at the vision and listened to the
48:59
Speaker 2: emergency Walker workout calling it in set the car.
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Speaker 3: On fire to try and kill a spider.
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Speaker 5: I'm known further details.
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Speaker 1: Over I mean the vision, the car is completely a
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Speaker 1: wreck and burnt.
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Speaker 2: Out, But I love the emergency worker. I have no
49:17
Speaker 2: further details.
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Speaker 1: That's gotta be like.
49:19
Speaker 4: Full blown rachnophobia.
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Speaker 5: Right there, he's got a lighter and chasing around it.
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Speaker 1: Just lower the top. We're going to go, but stick around.
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Speaker 1: Coming up is the Rea Penny Show. Good Night,