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Conspiracy VS. Coincidence - You Decide. PART 2 | David Icke, Steve Kirsch & Jessica Rose, PhD · David Icke

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  What is the evidence that Moderna had a vaccine waiting on the shelf when SARS-CoV-2 was sequenced?
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  My understanding, David, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, my understanding is that
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  Moderna did not have a vaccine ready to go for SARS-CoV-2 until it was publicly sequenced,
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  and then they used the public sequence of the virus in order to create the first batches of
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  vaccine. So if you have evidence that Moderna actually had the sequence of SARS-CoV-2
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  before it was publicly released, and they had a vaccine for it on the shelf before the public
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  release of the SARS-CoV-2 genetic sequence, I would like to see that because what we know is that
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  in the Moderna patent, there was a sequence that was identical to SARS-CoV-2, which means
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  that they were using some material that was common, and in fact, probably the same sort of
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  research material that started this whole cascade of the Wuhan Institute of Virology and escaped
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  from the Wuhan Institute. But the actual sequence of SARS-CoV-2 wasn't developed. My understanding
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  is that they did not have, that Pfizer didn't have it and Moderna didn't have it,
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  a vaccine on the shelf that had that sequence in it prior to the public sequencing of the virus.
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  Am I wrong? Tell me how it was sequenced and where the sequence came from.
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  I believe it was, there were several labs that sequenced it simultaneously.
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  Why don't we bring on Jessica because that's more of her domain, and she's good friends with Kevin
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  McKernan, but it was sequenced in, I think there was a Chinese paper that sequenced it,
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  but the sequence was replicated in the US as well, but Jessica, what's your answer to that?
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  Well, I'll answer, but I have a lot of notes that I made. I'm a little confused because I think you
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  guys are basically in agreement with most things, but the sequence, who cares who sequenced it?
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  The sequence came from the virus, the SARS-CoV-2 virus that was made in a lab. So that's where
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  the word... Anyone can sequence it. Right, anyone can sequence it. Right, but that couldn't happen
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  before the virus was made. So that wasn't the reason why these so-called vaccines, these gene-based
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  therapies weren't necessarily at the ready. That happened when the LNP problem got solved,
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  and that happened simultaneously between Pfizer and Moderna when they both solved this
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  ionizable cationic lipid problem, which is... That's both still nonsense because you can't find a safety
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  data sheet that doesn't state that the cationic lipids that they use, the SM-102 and the ALCO-315
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  or whatever it's called, are for use in humans or animals. It's states on the safety data
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  sheet, don't use this in animals or humans. It's for lab use, bench use only. So they solved the
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  problem because they had to, because my opinion, and I'd love to get David's feedback on this,
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  is that the whole pandemic was set up as a segue to usher in the age of gene-based therapies.
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  The whole point of it was to normalize this shit. Just so that you know, David, I
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  analyzed the vaccine adverse event reporting system database from the US, that's kind of how
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  people know me. And the reason I started doing that was exactly what you said, because when I'm
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  an immunologist, I study zoonotic pathogens for a living. When I started hearing them talk about
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  a one-shot solution across all demographics, no matter what, and then they started mandating it,
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  I was like, hell no, there's something else going on here. This isn't about a zoonotic pathogen. That
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  was evident if you just went outside and watched the behavior of the riot cops. This was about a
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  system of control being put into place. Exactly. And it was beautiful. And you guys were just
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  saying, like I wrote down here, the situation we're in now is perfectly ripe
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  for the plan if there is one to play out. Because we have normalized, for all intents and purposes,
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  the COVID vaccines are safe and effective. They're not, they're neither. They're not safe. They're
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  not effective. But, you know, you can't get that through to a lot of people even to this day. They
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  have no idea that anything bad happened. And so when, because it's now happening, the flu vaccines,
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  you guys were talking about those, those are gene-based now. It's the same platform as the
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  COVID shots. And all, this is the point of ushering in this new technology, and it was
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  experimental. And normalizing it is because that's going to be the plug and play system for
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  all future vaccines. It's cheap. They don't have to do fricking trials, not that they
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  did any good ones before. And it's the monster industry taking over and not giving people a choice.
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  And the other reason I think this all happened, it's not just about the,
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  you know, the virus or the vaccine. The system of control is more so about the
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  digitization of the human. That's what those stupid green passports were for. 100%.
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  That's what the CBDCs are going to be for. They're going to conglomerate all of your
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  personnel. You can see it everywhere now, this age verification crap that's happening across
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  the board on all apps. It's like they're collecting all of your data that they have no right to
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  ask for. And you don't know you're signing off on it. And those new terms and conditions,
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  you have no idea that you've signed away your phone number, your email, your driver's license,
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  your whatever the hell they ask you for that they have no right to ask you for. It's all
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  going to be accumulated. And when they usher in the digital ID, it's all going to be on that thing,
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  on that digital ID. And then, because it's government controlled, you're not going to
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  have any choice if they decide that you've done something wrong by mistake. They can cut off
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  your bank account like they did in Canada to the truckers. They can cut off your,
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  they can ruin your life basically. So that's what I think it's all about. But I wanted
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  to ask you, David, sorry about that long rant. Okay, I would just say very quickly,
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  I agree with absolutely everything you just said. But the question then
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  is, how was it orchestrated? How are all these different elements orchestrated? Was it just
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  Tony Fauci? No, no, no. How was it orchestrated? It was orchestrated through this web,
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  which has no borders. It doesn't have a border. That's the borders of public consumption.
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  It doesn't have borders. And therefore it's able to orchestrate global situations, national
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  situations, yes, in various situations that require manipulation of the national level.
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  But globally, it's able to orchestrate something like COVID and the answer to it,
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  the fake vaccine, because of the way it works and the way it operates and the way the web is
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  centrally orchestrated. Yeah, but that's just global, that's just global health response.
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  That's the, that is the responsible, that's your opinion. But David, if you were a responsible
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  country, and let's say that everybody else is... You mean that such a thing?
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  Yeah, let's assume for a second that you're a responsible country or you actually think
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  that you want to be a responsible country in terms of public health response. What you would
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  do is you would coordinate with other countries for something of this global pandemic scale
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  so that everybody would have a coordinated global response to a public health emergency.
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  This is what you would do if there was no conspiracy at all,
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  because that would be the right thing to do if you're an honest country and honestly
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  dealing with a global pandemic. So what you do is you're a national government
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  and you just do what everyone else does. You don't think for yourself and decide
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  how you're going to respond to something, you just do it because because the global level,
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  like the World Health Organization, this Rockefeller created in 1948, Gates funded and run Ted Ross
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  Gofford World Health Organization because they tell you what to do. You just bloody do it.
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  People are like sheep, absolutely. They don't independently think because if they do,
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  they'll be opening themselves up for criticism. That's very normal to not oppose the
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  the so-called legitimate authorities, but that doesn't mean that there's a conspiracy to kill
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  people or control people or create AI or that there was a world conspiracy to use this pandemic
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  as a way to usher in these mRNA vaccines. It was more because the mRNA technology
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  basically provided a way out for public health officials because you could rapidly develop
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  a vaccine faster using this technology than using previous technologies.
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  It just happened to cause enormous fatalities and destroy the health of even more.
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  Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about.
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  And yet today, if we were to look at the data on the impact of the COVID vaccine on countries,
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  we would find that there are studies that would claim that the COVID vaccines have saved
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  millions of lives. And there are studies that will claim the opposite. And the fact is that
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  observational studies are really, really bad because the people behind these studies do not
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  properly account for all of the confounders and all the methodological errors in these studies.
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  And so we have bad observational studies showing one thing and we have bad observational studies
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  showing another thing. And there isn't a way to really tell the difference until we have randomized
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  trials and get to the truth because I would claim that certain analyses are correct and
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  certain analyses are not correct. And there will be people who will disagree with that.
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  But the point is that it is not obvious from looking at the data by any stretch
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  that the COVID vaccines have killed enormous numbers of people, nor is it obvious
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  that the COVID vaccines have saved lots of people. The truth is probably somewhere in
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  between and the fact is that we don't have the sufficient set of skills and methodologies
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  to be able to find out the truth. And a perfect example of that is the latest thing
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  by Alex Berenson, the story on this vaccine that was used and they claimed, oh, this provides a 50%
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  benefit and they did a RCT on it and they found it was not beneficial at all, which demonstrated
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  two things. It demonstrated, number one, that observational studies, which is all what
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  everything that we have for COVID is observational studies, that observational studies can be
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  very wrong even though people are confident that they're right. And it also showed that when
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  health authorities are confronted with evidence showing that they are wrong, the health authorities
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  do not change their minds, which is absolutely horrible. Amen. Well, I would like to add,
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  if I may, I've been spending the last few days responding to a movie that I saw on X,
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  which is basically a call to action to show the placebo side of the data in the original
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  hepatitis B vaccine rollouts back in the late 70s, early 80s when HIV AIDS was starting to become a
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  problem. And I found out through combing through all of these research papers, because that's
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  how I approach things, that it is in fact true that the seminal paper that basically says that
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  HIV came from somewhere else and it started spreading through America because of the
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  gaze, let's just say it how Fauci said it, this is the reason why we had the HIV AIDS
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  epidemic in America. However, in this graph, it's figure one in one of these seminal papers,
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  HESL paper, there's no there's no distinguishing between, first of all, you have to know that
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  the rates of HIV were going up during the trial. It's not known in which group the placebo or
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  the vaccine group, those rates were going up in. And so if those rates were going up in the vaccine
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  group, not in the placebo group, the story completely turns on its face. I know that
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  people need a lot more background to understand what I'm just what I'm saying. But the point is
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  that the CDC it is the CDC are withholding data data that belongs to the public. And if they
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  revealed this data to the public, and perhaps proved because it would prove that the original
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  hepatitis B vaccines were contaminated with HIV and seeded a population of HIV positive people,
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  you know, the shit would hit the fan. So I think that we do have the skills, Steve, to show
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  with bench work, with peer reviewed studies, whatever methodology you want to use, like
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  everything that we need to know that has anything to do with the truth of the matter,
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  but we're suppressed. I mean, I I've I'm still having papers retracted, the good scientists who
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  are doing the honest work can't get their frickin words out, you know, to the scientific community,
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  like we're, we're, we're just, you know, we're, we're the fringe.
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  So it's like that to the list.
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  Well, look, so, so here's Brian, Brian Hooker just published this great paper where they
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  analyzed the data from they got the data from one state, I forget the name of the state,
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  but they got the official data from from a state. And they showed that everybody who
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  got vaccinated, and these are childhood vaccines, they're looking at, you know,
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  two months old and four months old kids, they showed that everyone who got vaccinated,
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  they looked at 59 different subgroups, they showed that everybody who got the vaccine died more.
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  All 50 is like 58 or 59 subgroups, everybody, every way they cut the data,
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  everywhere they sliced and diced the data, they found higher mortality if you got the vaccine.
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  Okay, doesn't matter what race you are, doesn't matter what whether you're male or female,
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  you got the vaccine, your mortality was higher. Okay, this was a very clear signal is very large,
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  and it was statistically significant in certain cases as well. And all of the the
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  on these diagrams that they show you where they have the lines for the confidence intervals,
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  you know, they're all like only maybe touching the one line. Okay, meaning that they're all
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  either statistically significant or almost statistically significant. Huge effect,
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  preprints.org retracted it off of pre pre they took it off of pre prints.org
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  because they said well this this could create be misinterpreted by people and that could
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  cause harm because this this might be misinterpreted. This is the reason that they gave for for pulling
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  this. But this is the playbook that David's talking about like it's it is a freaking playbook,
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  man. Like one of the things I learned by going back decades like I David I also I have a master's
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  in immunology I studied HIV immunopathogenesis. So I know I've been doing this a long time.
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  Like, man, Fauci was he was flown in on Air Force two during one of these seminal meetings when
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  they were they were just having a panel discussion about the people who were
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  they they were they had AIDS and they were HIV negative I believe it was don't quote me on that.
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  There was some discrepancy. And it was he was flown in to say this is utter bullshit. You know,
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  HIV causes AIDS. This is the way it is. And that was it. It was shut down. And he did the same
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  thing during COVID. You know, he sees the science he's the authority. Never mind the fact that
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  he changed his goddamn mind every two seconds about what he was saying. Oh, yes,
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  you know, natural immunity is the best. No natural immunity doesn't work. You have to get
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  shots even if you got COVID. Yeah, wear a mask. Don't worry. I mean, wishy washy. And so in my
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  opinion, this is all part of what's been snowballing, I would say, from from some kind of seed,
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  you know, idea that formula was probably formulated maybe 100 years ago, maybe longer,
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  I don't know. I don't know what the source is. But man, did they take advantage of this current
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  situation? If nothing else, if they didn't plan it, they took advantage of it. I mean,
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  the thing is about exactly what you're talking about is we go back to what I said a little
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  while ago. The whole foundation of the conspiracy to enslave humanity and direct humanity in the
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  direction the desired direction is control of perception. Because from perception comes
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  behavior. If you want to get people's behavior, you get their perception. And where does perception
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  come from? It comes from information received, whether it's the 10 o'clock news or a newspaper
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  article, they still exist, or on the internet, whatever. Or it may be a personal experience,
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  whatever, you're taking that information and you are forming a perception of a situation from it.
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  So this is what censorship is all about. Censorship is about suppressing information
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  and opinion that would get people or give people the opportunity anyway to see a situation
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  differently from the way this cult wants you to see it. So for instance, during COVID,
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  once I started talking about what COVID was and how the fake vaccine was coming to
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  justify it, I was off every platform you could imagine, all of them gone, YouTube, Facebook,
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  all of them, Twitter, all of them gone. Because instead of having the free flow of information
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  where people have the official version of something and the other versions of something,
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  that gives people an opportunity to maybe think, well, actually, this makes more sense
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  than what the officials are telling me. You don't want that. You need to control perception,
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  you need to dominate the information that people receive from which those perceptions are formed.
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  This is why, as you rightly are talking about, you have the suppression of scientific and
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  medical knowledge and opinion that is at odds with the official story. That's why you have it,
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  control perception, you control behavior. Yeah, and this is a new, I mean, they used to do that
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  back in the day with the newspapers and the clicky TVs that we used to have. Now, it's like this
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  digital monster where everybody's connected 24-7. Yeah, it's hard to start for me to imagine where
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  we're going to be in five years, man, because when AI starts integrating into all of these data
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  and somebody presses the, I'm being funny right now, but when they press the upload button, I mean,
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  yeah, I don't know what's going to happen then because I'd be really, really interested to talk
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  to you in the future about the perception and behavior thing because I'm studying more about
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  brain chemistry now and both from a scientific and a spiritual point of view. And I mean,
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  mind control as well. I'm looking into that as well. I mean, you know, probably like book.
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  What is mind control? Mind control, perception control. Yeah, the same thing. Very quickly,
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  I studied from 1996 right across the millennium, mind control, MKUltra and its offshoots and the
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  techniques. And when COVID broke, I saw the same technology. Yeah, I want to step in because I want
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  to be mindful of your time, David. Okay. I know we're running a little long here. I did want to
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  up on Moderna. I know this because I'm working on a film about the first year of COVID and
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  the CEO of Moderna on January 15, 2020, went on Kramer and announced that they had this new
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  mRNA technology and that it would be coming out. And that's pretty early in the January 15,
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  2020 for him to come out on a propaganda network where Kramer does financial news
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  and announced mRNA and that they were going to have a vaccine for COVID with this breakthrough
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  technology. And then the question is, how long was it in existence before it was made public,
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  that it was in existence? Exactly. Yeah, apparently, they've been using self-amplifying
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  mRNA in pigs since 2018. And the COVID application, with Pfizer, I know the Pfizer
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  story, they started trialing the BNT162B1 and 2 and the self-amplifying products at the same time.
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  So, that's for the SARS insert gene. But this is what really bugs me about this
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  shit. It's like because of the censorship and suppression, I really want to know,
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  I want to see the data, I want to know how long this technology has been not only being developed,
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  but how long has it been deployed? And how the hell would we ever find that out anyway? I mean,
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  not even the people who are giving the injections know what's in the syringe.
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  Like, none of the vets know that they're giving self-amplifying
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  tack to their pets right now in the rabies shots, they don't know.
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  So, therefore, the oars don't know. Exactly. And I tell you from my research over the years
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  is that you have apparently a cutting edge of technology in all its different forms,
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  including, you call vaccines technology, I suppose. You have a cutting edge of technology
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  in the public arena. But it's light years behind what's in the secret projects and the
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  underground bases where all this stuff goes on. And what happens is they have a sequence
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  in which they play out this technology, which already exists into the public arena,
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  in a sequence that gives the impression that it is organic in nature when it's actually
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  sitting there waiting to be played at a certain point in the sequence. And so,
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  the MNRA came out at that point in the sequence. How long they've
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  and just going on when it was publicly announced is irrelevant because it's
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  all going on in the background before it becomes publicly announced. And whatever
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  the cutting edges in the public arena, it's light years behind what's coming.
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  And you're absolutely right when you say about how long have they been using it or whatever.
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  I mean, I've heard people, I've done it myself, they say, oh, well,
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  you know, they've got a microphone and they can hear what you're saying and they can
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  give you adverts as a result of what you're talking about. Of course, it's endless examples of that.
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  But more than that, I've been looking at this over quite a while now, the number of people,
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  including those around me, who are in a room alone, they're talking to nobody,
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  but they think of something. For instance, someone who'd been used to horses as a young girl and was
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  very confident with horses. She was sitting there thinking,
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  I wonder if I went back to horses that I'd still be as confident or whether I'd be nervous or
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  whatever. And then up comes an advert literally minutes later on her phone,
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  trying to sell her something to do with having confidence in riding horses.
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  Now, that's the thought. It's not a word, it wasn't said openly, it was the thought. And I've had loads
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  and loads of examples of these I've picked up over the years, particularly recent years and more and
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  more recently especially. So here's something where you're thinking something and an advert
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  comes up relating to what you're thinking. And these are really obscure things. It's not like
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  they're regular adverts. They are very specific adverts, very specific to the thoughts that you've
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  been having. And what technology is actually being used and played out to manipulate perception,
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  for instance, that we have no idea about because the cutting edge of accepted technology is always
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  like years behind what's actually possible. Yeah, I agree. And it sounds, I've heard these stories
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  as well. I haven't met anyone or experienced it, but it sounds like it has something to do with
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  reading rainway patterns. Like that's where it's going in the future. It's exactly what you just
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  said. It's like, if it's going there in the future, it might have already happened. I mean,
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  I don't want to get too like, you know, time dilated. But yeah, absolutely. I'll tell you my
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  experience though. I started up Facebook again for some stupid reason recently. I don't know,
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  the account almost right away because the algo, like I'm telling you, Steve, I'm telling you this
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  is what happened. I would be scrolling through looking at pictures or I wouldn't click on the videos.
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  And it was, I swear to God, there's no, I'm very logical. I'm very skeptical. I'm very like,
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  I'll shut you down, but whatever. It was, it must have been scanning my eyes somehow or
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  something was going on where it was so fast. It was faster than my scrolling that the things that
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  were coming up in the feed that I couldn't see yet were related to something that maybe my eyes
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  hovered on a little bit longer. If you know what I'm saying, it was, it was almost impossible for
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  me to believe what was happening. And I, I did experiments. I was like, no, I'm, it's just
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  in my head. I'm just imagining things. And I'm like, no, no, if I keep my eyes for three seconds
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  on something rather than one, the feed below that I cannot see is all related to that shit.
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  It was wild. And I'm like, okay, this is, this is spooky. I'm out. I can't do it.
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  I had one of these this weekend, my son who's working at a concert venue nearby,
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  I was having a glass of rosé with him at dinner. He wasn't having it. I was,
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  and he was talking about the wine that they serve at this concert venue. He didn't name
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  the brand of wine, but he was saying, oh, we have one brand that does these three day or
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  four different wines. He went over to watch some television and an ad popped up and he goes,
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  dad, come over here. And it was an ad for the wine that they were serving at the concert venue,
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  even though we didn't name the brand. And he had never seen an ad on his feeds for any alcohol.
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  Did you buy the wine with a credit card or cash?
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  Well, I wasn't buying anything. It was just, it was just having a conversation in my house
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  and our iPhones are nearby and I do have a smart TV and they were listening in and gave Jesse,
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  my son, I could just give his name up, but the brand through an ad that we didn't even mention
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  the name of it. But where did the wine originally come from? I'm trying to follow back,
• 33:43
  like I'm trying to trace back how it would mention the venue, the venue nearby. And so somehow the
• 33:49
  algorithms found the venue and the wine they serve. Oh, they're so fast. So Jessica, there's a simple
• 33:59
  way for you to figure out whether this is happening or not because I claim, I would claim that what
• 34:07
  you're seeing was a coincidence and was not, but it's so simple, Jessica. Good. Do create two versions
• 34:17
  of yourself or have two different people and have them look at different parts of the screen and focus
• 34:22
  on different parts of the screen and see if they get different results. Scroll back on Facebook.
• 34:31
  But don't do it for yourself, Jessica. Have two people show them exactly the same,
• 34:42
  have them exactly scroll the exact same thing on the two screens, but have person one looking at
• 34:50
  one side of the screen and person two only looking at the opposite side of the screen.
• 34:56
  But I will guarantee you that they will get exactly the same result regardless of where people are
• 35:06
  looking. All right, I'm not saying you're wrong. You might be absolutely right. I don't know how I
• 35:11
  would make two versions of myself, but it was wanky enough to think, oh, sorry. You just have two
• 35:17
  people, two people. I need to let David go. So I know. Yeah, well, I just want to say finally,
• 35:23
  you know, the most rampant disease that pervades almost the entirety of humanity currently, although
• 35:35
  it is changing for which there is no vaccine. And that is naivety. Human naivety. That's the
• 35:47
  human disease which allows the few to control the many and always has. And until we break that sequence,
• 35:58
  they'll go on doing it. And I'll tell you now where it's planned to go between now and 2030,
• 36:06
  it doesn't bear thinking about. And it's something that when you have something in your mind,
• 36:18
  like there is no conspiracy, then you'll find lots of reasons to explain why there's no
• 36:24
  conspiracy. But if you look at it from another point of view, like I'm just going to look at
• 36:31
  the evidence, which is all in my books endlessly, then you'll realize actually, either there is a
• 36:40
  conspiracy or coincidences are just part of human life on a scale we have never even believed possible.
• 36:53
  Conspiracies. No, it's a coincidence, coincidence, coincidence, coincidence,
• 36:59
  enough coincidences, and you've got a conspiracy because they're not coincidences.
• 37:04
  Do some coincidences happen? Yes. Does it happen on the scale that we're talking about in terms of
• 37:11
  the way humans are manipulated and directed? Absolutely not. But then people will have to
• 37:18
  make their own minds up. I want to share your latest book, David, with our audience,
• 37:25
  The Roadmap, Escaping the Maze of Madness. If you want to dive deeper into, this is the
• 37:32
  latest one, as David mentioned, of dozens of books. And there it is, The Roadmap,
• 37:37
  Escaping the Maze of Madness. David, if our audience wants to continue following your work,
• 37:43
  can you share what's the best way to follow your work?
• 37:46
  Well, it's Davidike.com is my website. And we also have a media platform called Iconic.com
• 37:56
  where we do video films and original films and news shows.
• 38:11
  I also post a little bit on X most days, so that's where they can get me.
• 38:19
  Great. And Jessica, thank you so much for jumping in here and contributing to the conversation.
• 38:27
  Steve, anything you want to finish off with David or Jessica before I end this segment?
• 38:33
  Yeah, I just want to say that I agree. There are a lot of these coincidences that people ignore.
• 38:42
  You know, there are people that die shortly after their COVID vaccine. There are children
• 38:49
  that get vaccines and die two hours. There are twins that get vaccinated and they die
• 38:55
  two hours later. And it's clearly caused by the shots. And the medical community just is trained
• 39:07
  that vaccines are safe and they ignore the harm. But this isn't a conspiracy among doctors to
• 39:18
  allow these bad medical interventions. This is something that the doctors are trained to think
• 39:25
  one way that causes them to ignore these coincidences like vaccines and autism and vaccines and poor
• 39:33
  health and all that, that people don't see it. And in fact, it takes a life-changing event.
• 39:41
  Like I was recently posting on X where I said vaccines cost sids. And a mom posted that my
• 39:50
  daughter was two months old. She got the shots and died two days later. These are not coincidences.
• 39:59
  This has caused an effect. And the medical community has simply just ignored this stuff
• 40:07
  for decades. It doesn't mean that there's a mass conspiracy controlling people. It means that
• 40:14
  there's a group think process that people have become accustomed to and people then trust
• 40:21
  authorities. And that's the big problem that we have here.
• 40:26
  But why do you think of us as these authorities to hide the fricking data and to lie? Like that's
• 40:31
  not a question. Yeah. So for example, the autism study that William Thompson was involved in,
• 40:39
  the authorities told him, kill the data that relates vaccines and autism.
• 40:44
  So we can publish a clean paper. His boss is because the bosses have been trained to
• 40:52
  parrot a narrative and the bosses don't want to be embarrassed saying, oh, we messed up.
• 41:00
  So don't trust us anymore. Here's the truth now. People don't like to backpedal on stuff
• 41:06
  that they've said. And Trump is a perfect example of that. Does Trump ever backpedal
• 41:13
  on anything that he said that has been proven to be incorrect? No. He never backpedals because
• 41:21
  he feels that that impacts his reputation. This is human nature we're talking about.
• 41:28
  This is not a conspiracy. Human nature is they don't want to destroy the credibility
• 41:33
  of their institution. And this group think just creates this situation where we have
• 41:39
  this inconvenient study where Marco Zervo says, I'll do the study and I'll prove to you that you're
• 41:45
  wrong. And he proves that Del Victory is right. So what does he do? He silences his study. He
• 41:52
  self-censors his study. What does he do that? He is not controlled by anyone specifically,
• 41:59
  but he basically doesn't want to have his career destroyed by his peers because he went against
• 42:06
  the grain. And it's going against the grain that going against the scientific consensus
• 42:13
  is what gets people into trouble here. And as a society, we are not tolerant of that.
• 42:19
  That is the big problem here. It's not some conspiracy to control people. It's basically
• 42:28
  this sort of mentality about scientific consensus. And that is a huge, huge problem
• 42:37
  that we don't allow people to deviate from that. What we do is we censor these people, we take
• 42:42
  away their license to practice medicine, we remove their papers, and we do everything possible
• 42:48
  because they're deviating from the norm. And that's the fundamental problem here.
• 42:53
  Well, there's a hell of a lot of coincidences there, Steve. Who sets the norm? Who sets the norm
• 43:01
  that everyone repeats throughout the pyramid of society? Who sets the norms? Who decides
• 43:22
  that is challenging the norms?
• 43:24
  And as the power to censor, I mean, this is journals. This is the
• 43:29
  the hard of the 40s. And if there is a mastermind and it's kind of coincidental that every
• 43:38
  single country went into lockstep and they're doing it again for this age verification crap,
• 43:44
  I lost my thought. But for me, it's bad. It's scientific studies that are bad,
• 43:55
  that people don't pick apart properly through the peer review process because lots of shit gets
• 44:01
  through the peer review process. And that just creates this false sense of scientific certainty.
• 44:08
  And then anyone who then goes up against this false wall of scientific certainty
• 44:14
  gets shut down. That is such a fundamental problem here that the scientific community is
• 44:21
  not tolerant at all of people who disagree with them. If solve that problem, okay,
• 44:30
  and we will move society ahead light years, okay.
• 44:35
  Well, I mean, sorry, you go ahead.
• 44:41
  I was just going to throw in, like Steve, I completely agree with you. You're absolutely
• 44:44
  right. But I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I think it's both. And I have to agree
• 44:49
  that the question that David asked is, well, I want to know too, like who creates these norms?
• 44:54
  And I would call the level of denial that so many people are still in
• 45:02
  brainwashing. And if it's actually brainwashing, like still believing,
• 45:09
  you know, the clear lies, they've come out and admitted that what they've said is not true.
• 45:16
  Like the COVID shot stop transmission, whatever you want to pick out. It's just,
• 45:23
  who's creating? I think so.
• 45:27
  There has to be a creator. It's inertia. It's inertia. It gets created a little at a time.
• 45:34
  That creates this wall that then you can't defeat. It's like, do vaccines cause autism?
• 45:40
  Yes, or nobody knew. Then there were studies that came out that showed that it didn't because
• 45:44
  they were funded by the pharmaceutical companies. And so the pharmaceutical companies have this
• 45:49
  vested interest to fund these studies that are bullshit studies that show no harm.
• 45:54
  And then you create this wall that people who then oppose the consensus are then
• 46:00
  How do you explain that it goes beyond the vaccine world?
• 46:04
  I need to end the episode.
• 46:07
  This is so good.
• 46:09
  Can I just say one last thing here?
• 46:12
  Yes.
• 46:13
  You've got the norms, right? You set the norms and everyone else conforms to the norms.
• 46:18
  And then anyone that steps outside of the norms has consequences.
• 46:24
  The system which sets the norms give consequences for people who step outside the norms,
• 46:31
  like you lose your job if you talk against vaccines and you're a doctor or whatever.
• 46:37
  So it's a self-regulating system which suppresses and kicks out
• 46:47
  anyone that challenges the norms that are set.
• 46:51
  And I'll just finish with this one question, Steve. How many of my books have you read?
• 46:59
  None.
• 47:00
  Thank you. Now, that's what research is all about.
• 47:06
  It's looking at what someone's saying in detail before you make this declaration.
• 47:13
  There is no conspiracy.
• 47:15
  They're bloody is, mate, and for 36 years I've been uncovering it.
• 47:20
  And between now and 2030, it's going to go into overdrive.
• 47:25
  And I have to say that David's been right on a lot of shit.
• 47:29
  So it's kind of compelling.
• 47:32
  I know I would be open to a part two because I wish we could dive into
• 47:36
  organizations like the Bilderberg Group and the Club of Rome
• 47:41
  and the Council on Foreign Relations and go deep.
• 47:44
  I'm all for it because we got to talk about the Lucerne files.
• 47:50
  No, that would have to be for another episode.
• 47:54
  All those organizations are strands in the same web.
• 47:56
  And if you go deep enough because it's very compartmentalized,
• 48:02
  if you go deep enough in these organizations, you'll find
• 48:06
  the answer to the same masters.
• 48:08
  Whereas people that go to the Bilderberg Group and then go a few times
• 48:15
  and then stop going or they'll go to the Council on Foreign Relations or whatever,
• 48:21
  they're there to have their perception manipulated because of the positions
• 48:26
  in society that they have.
• 48:30
  But the inner core of these organizations, they answer to the same masters.
• 48:37
  Then most of the people in the organizations don't know that.
• 48:43
  Yeah. Well, David, thank you so much for your generosity of your time
• 48:49
  and fantastic conversation.
• 48:52
  Jessica, again, thank you for showing up.
• 48:54
  Oh man, I had a blast.
• 48:55
  Thanks for letting me come on.
• 48:57
  I want to do it again.
• 48:58
  It was great.
• 49:01
  We're going to switch over to the live segment of our program now.
• 49:04
  So have a great evening, David and Jessica and Steve.
• 49:07
  We'll see you on the live side.
• 49:08
  Thank you.
• 49:09
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• 49:09
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