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The Fallen Angel Playbook Is Unfolding! | Mondo Gonzales and Joe Hawkins · Prophecy Watchers

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Mondo Gonzalez here in studio with our good
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Speaker 1: friend Joe Hawkins, and we have a great program today.
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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about one of the presentations
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Speaker 1: that he gave at one of our conferences, and he
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Speaker 1: entitled The Fallen Angel Playbook. It's a fascinating discussion on
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Speaker 1: the ways in which the fallen angels have certainly been
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Speaker 1: involved in our world for a long time. They have
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Speaker 1: not stopped being involved. And many of their things that
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Speaker 1: they do are very sinister. But it also brings up
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Speaker 1: an opportunity for us to remind you of a couple things.
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Speaker 1: We have an upcoming conference in Branson, Missouri, December 10th
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Speaker 1: through the 13th. And to me, this is going to
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Speaker 1: be truly the biggest conference, I think, the biggest entire
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Speaker 1: Prophecy Conference of the year all across the United States.
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Speaker 1: We're going to have over 1,000 people there. It's going
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Speaker 1: to be at a great location in Branson, very centralized.
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Speaker 1: It's totally decked out for the holidays. We really enjoy,
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Speaker 1: first and foremost, the idea of fellowshipping together. Hebrews 10,
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Speaker 1: 24 and 25 tells us that we are to stir
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Speaker 1: each other up for good works and to fellowship together.
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Speaker 2: Why? As we see the day approaching.
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Speaker 1: And so what we want to do is we want
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Speaker 1: to talk about, I think, Joe.
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Speaker 2: Joe, welcome, Joe.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. We want to talk about, I think this
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Speaker 1: will be helpful for people. We want to talk about
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Speaker 1: your experience because you, you've been with us now since
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Speaker 1: January of 26. And of course, you've been involved more
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Speaker 1: than that. But, you know, let's go back two or
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Speaker 1: three years. You know, you have been, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to say on the outside, but a different perspective, being
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Speaker 1: a conference attendee. And now you're a speaker. And kind
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Speaker 1: of talk about your experience in that journey.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 4: So I would say it started off with you know,
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Speaker 4: years ago, we can go back probably six, seven years ago,
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Speaker 4: I would watch the.
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Speaker 3: Conferences, right?
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Speaker 4: I would get the DVDs whenever they would come out.
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Speaker 4: You know, I was always one of those guys that
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Speaker 4: would get those, get some big old pack of DVDs,
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Speaker 4: put them in my DVD player and watch those messages.
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Speaker 4: And then I would watch the live stream of it,
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Speaker 4: of course, whenever that came out. But on, you know,
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Speaker 4: whenever I got to go to my first conference, you know,
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Speaker 4: being from somewhere where there's really not a Bible prophecy
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Speaker 4: teaching church, where they didn't really get into the important topics.
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Speaker 4: They didn't really discuss what the rapture was, the second coming,
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Speaker 4: the tribulation. They didn't get into all of that stuff.
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Speaker 4: They certainly didn't get into the Nephilim and any of
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Speaker 4: those topics. So I was excited to be able to
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Speaker 4: get around people that was interested in those topics. And
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Speaker 4: the first conference that I attended, it was like I
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Speaker 4: was home, to be honest with you. People understood the
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Speaker 4: language that I was speaking. I could see the joy
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Speaker 4: that was on people's faces for being there. I know
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Speaker 4: a lot of people now, and being on this side
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Speaker 4: of it, we see a lot of the comments of, oh,
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Speaker 4: you're just having a conference just to make money. Well,
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Speaker 4: I can certainly say on this side of the table,
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Speaker 4: there's not a lot of money in running conferences. I
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Speaker 4: can certainly say that.
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Speaker 2: It's expensive to have a conference.
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Speaker 3: It absolutely is. But what does it do though?
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Speaker 4: It provides people an opportunity to fellowship with like-minded believers.
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Speaker 4: Because when you're somebody like myself from Mississippi, that does
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Speaker 4: not have a lot of people in the general vicinity
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Speaker 4: that you can fellowship with. Like for me, for example,
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Speaker 4: I live pretty much 30 miles from any civilization, right?
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Speaker 4: So I can't just go to somebody's house and hang
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Speaker 4: out with them. So what did I have to do?
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Speaker 4: I had to get onto YouTube, maybe get in the
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Speaker 4: chat room to chat with some folks or just watch
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Speaker 4: the messages and enjoy that. But what the conferences do,
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Speaker 4: they give me an opportunity to fellowship with those. And
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Speaker 4: that to me, that's the biggest thing that I always
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Speaker 4: took away from it was the fellowship and always taking
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Speaker 4: the opportunity to go to the prophecy conferences that I could.
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Speaker 3: And get with those.
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Speaker 4: And you know this, and I know this now, but
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Speaker 4: when you go to those prophecy conferences, it's like a
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Speaker 4: huge family reunion. I mean, and it's so much joy
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Speaker 4: that's there because, you know, Previously, I would go to
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Speaker 4: conferences like homeschool style conferences, and they were Christian homeschool conferences.
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Speaker 4: And I would always explain to people, you have to
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Speaker 4: go to one of these because you can legitimately feel
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Speaker 4: the Holy Spirit's presence in that place.
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Speaker 3: I felt that plus some when I was at my
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Speaker 3: first prophecy conference.
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Speaker 4: I can literally feel the Holy Spirit's presence because not
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Speaker 4: only are we pushing out God's Word to people that
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Speaker 4: are hungry for it, We're pushing out God's word to
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Speaker 4: people that are hungry for it and that are loving
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Speaker 4: and wanting the Lord to come while we're there at
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Speaker 4: that conference. So I would encourage anybody and everybody, if
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Speaker 4: you have never been to a prophecy conference, you absolutely
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Speaker 4: should go to one. You will fall in love with it.
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Speaker 4: You will absolutely follow. You'll befriend people for life. And
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Speaker 4: if you can't get to it, I would absolutely encourage
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Speaker 4: you to get the DVDs or get the live stream
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Speaker 4: because you're going to get taught things that you would
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Speaker 4: not normally get taught, either on YouTube because of censorship purposes,
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Speaker 4: and you would also not get these in your everyday
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Speaker 4: church unless you attend a good Bible prophecy teaching church,
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Speaker 4: which we know that they're out there. I mean, our
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Speaker 4: good friend J.B. Hickson, he teaches or preaches at a
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Speaker 4: church there in Colorado. How lucky are those people? But
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Speaker 4: not everybody's lucky to have a, J.B. Hickson or even
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Speaker 4: Amando Gonzalez at their church preaching every Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting because as a pastor, you think about what
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Speaker 1: is the mission of the church? Well, Ephesians 4, 11, 12,
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Speaker 1: 13 tell us that the mission of the church certainly
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Speaker 1: is to proclaim the gospel and be a witness to
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Speaker 1: what Jesus did, but also to equip the saints. And
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Speaker 1: so the church is meant to equip or to teach.
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Speaker 1: And you see that in many passages where Jesus tells
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Speaker 1: Peter and John to feed my sheep, to feed my sheep,
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Speaker 1: to feed my lambs and to equip them. And so
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Speaker 1: the church is about equipping, but it's also about getting
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Speaker 1: together and to fellowshipping. And as you know, many of you,
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Speaker 1: you write to us, you tell us these things where,
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Speaker 1: and as Joe mentioned, you might have a church and
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Speaker 1: that's great. But in the big scheme of things for
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Speaker 1: the church in the world, most of the church is apostate.
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Speaker 2: That is under the name of church.
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Speaker 1: You think about certain denominations that have a social gospel
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Speaker 1: or they're promoting, again, unbiblical marriage or relationships in that way.
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Speaker 1: But then even in the remnant church you would have,
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Speaker 1: those are churches that are preaching the gospel, that are faithful.
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Speaker 1: But not all of them teach prophecy. So even among
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Speaker 1: the remnant churches, you have those that are remnant of
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Speaker 1: the remnant, that are talking about prophecy and other things.
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Speaker 2: And that's why we.
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Speaker 1: Feel strongly about having conferences because we want to equip people.
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Speaker 1: We're not a church, but we want to come together
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Speaker 1: in a very fun weekend and to equip people, but
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Speaker 1: also for the fellowship that's there.
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Speaker 2: And that's what I.
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Speaker 1: Find is, you know, when we're up there and we're
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Speaker 1: praying and we even have a time of worship.
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Speaker 2: I look out, I'm glad you.
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Speaker 1: Said it that way, that there's just joy, the joy
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Speaker 1: of people, because for the most part, again, you might
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Speaker 1: feel included, is you come to the conference and then
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Speaker 1: you bring all this information that you're learning and you're
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Speaker 1: able to see the world.
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Speaker 2: The prophetic trends, and you go back and you try
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Speaker 2: to talk to people.
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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the thing that I've really enjoyed, especially at
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Speaker 4: this last conference was when we first got there, you know,
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Speaker 4: there were people already in the lobby and I went
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Speaker 4: and sat down my wife and I had some people
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Speaker 4: approach me. They were a little standoffish at first. They
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Speaker 4: were a little nervous, but like, no, just, you know,
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Speaker 4: welcome in that conversation, had a nice, wonderful conversation with
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Speaker 4: the lady while we were there. And even after the
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Speaker 4: conference is over with, you know, after the nine o'clock
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Speaker 4: message is done and gone, you'll still see the attendees
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Speaker 4: going to the local area at the, I guess, the
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Speaker 4: common areas where they can get a drink, you know,
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Speaker 4: sweet tea, of course, and, you know, drink that while
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Speaker 4: they're eating a snack and still continuing the conversation. I mean,
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Speaker 4: me and a couple of our colleagues, we were out
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Speaker 4: there playing board games, you know, for a while one night,
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Speaker 4: just continuing on that fellowship because we couldn't get enough
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Speaker 4: of each other because we were only there for what, four, three,
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Speaker 4: four days. So a lot of those people understand that
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Speaker 4: they only get a very short amount of time with
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Speaker 4: like-minded believers, so they want to capitalize on it. So
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Speaker 4: you'll see people up at, you know, 6.30, 7 in
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Speaker 4: the morning, getting ready to get their seat all the
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Speaker 4: way up until 9, 10 o'clock at night, still fellowshiping.
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Speaker 4: So It's literally, you know, 12, 13 hour days of
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Speaker 4: just fellowship and with people that, you know, you really
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Speaker 4: want to fellowship with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, people are saving seats because they want to
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Speaker 1: they want to be up front. But it's also the thing, too,
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Speaker 1: which I think is when we'll get into your topic here, because,
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Speaker 1: you know, they just hear a topic. You know, I mean,
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Speaker 1: the people, the speakers that we have are most of
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Speaker 1: them are doing this full time. That means they're full
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Speaker 1: time researchers. They're full time Bible students, full time prophecy,
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Speaker 1: you know, again, observers and watchers.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 1: They're coming in and they're sharing the latest information in
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Speaker 1: their research. And then after afterwards, people are going out
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Speaker 1: and going, oh, wow, that was really good. That was
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Speaker 1: my favorite message. And what do you think about that?
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Speaker 1: And then you see the crosstalk that's happening. And, you know,
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Speaker 1: and so your message that you brought at the recent
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Speaker 1: one in Colorado Springs, the Fallen Angel playbook.
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Speaker 2: And so it's all of us as speakers.
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Speaker 1: We always have a we always get it. We always
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Speaker 1: get the email from Bob. You know, or the phone call.
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Speaker 2: What's your message title?
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Speaker 1: And so as a speaker, you know, we have a
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Speaker 1: lot of separate interests or different interests, but we all
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Speaker 1: have to make a decision. What am I going to
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Speaker 1: talk about when I get there at the day of
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Speaker 1: the conference, you know, in front of 702,000 people? What
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Speaker 1: am I gonna talk about? Why did you choose this topic?
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Speaker 4: Well, I had written an article for our substack that
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Speaker 4: was titled Fallen Angel Playbook, and I figured, The information
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Speaker 4: that I presented in that article, I really broke it
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Speaker 4: down in a way that was easy for the audience
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Speaker 4: to read. And I thought the information that was there,
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Speaker 4: it would be, I don't want to say it would
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Speaker 4: be easy to incorporate that into a presentation, but that's
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Speaker 4: also one of the things that we're wanting to do.
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Speaker 4: We want to make sure that when we present a
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Speaker 4: presentation at a conference, that we're not oversaturating the audience
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Speaker 4: with tons of information that's going to just go completely
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Speaker 4: over their head. We want to make sure that the
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Speaker 4: information that we give them gives them enough of the
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Speaker 4: information so that they can take it back to their
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Speaker 4: churches so that they can teach, oh, I learned this
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Speaker 4: while I was there. I need to look into this
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Speaker 4: a little bit more. So that's what I did with
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Speaker 4: this particular message is I wanted to take an article
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Speaker 4: that I had written and I wanted to update it
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Speaker 4: basically with new information as far as the new headlines
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Speaker 4: that I had researched leading up to the conference. And
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Speaker 4: that's the one thing about attending these conferences. The speakers
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Speaker 4: that do present their messages, they bring their A game basically.
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Speaker 4: You know, because, you know, one of our colleagues, he
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Speaker 4: likes to call the Prophecy Watchers Conference the Super Bowl
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Speaker 4: of Prophecy Watchers, or the Prophecy Conferences. Because, you know,
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Speaker 4: and the people that are attending those conferences, and rightfully so,
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Speaker 4: they expect you to bring your A-game. So that's what
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Speaker 4: I wanted to do. I wanted to grab one of
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Speaker 4: my articles because it was an article that was, it
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Speaker 4: was widely read, I'll just say that much.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people enjoyed it.
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Speaker 4: Well-received.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well-received.
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Speaker 4: And I wanted to put that information in presentation form
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Speaker 4: so that people would be able to take that information
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Speaker 4: back to their churches and teach or their small groups
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Speaker 4: or whatever it may be and pass that information along
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Speaker 4: to others.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And so so here, you know, you think about the
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Speaker 1: fallen angel playbook and, you know, there's no doubt we
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Speaker 1: look at our world and we've seen we've seen the way,
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Speaker 1: especially during COVID, and we've seen the shift of globalism.
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Speaker 1: We've seen tyranny, whether it's medical tyranny. We've seen some
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Speaker 1: of the other things that have been happening around the
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Speaker 1: problems in the Middle East. It brings up, to me,
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Speaker 1: Paul's comment in Ephesians 6, that we wrestle not against
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Speaker 1: flesh and blood. That when you have an argument with somebody,
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Speaker 1: you're really not arguing with them. There's often a spiritual
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Speaker 1: force behind that. And so it brings up the question,
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Speaker 1: which you address here, of spiritual warfare. And specifically, fallen angels,
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Speaker 1: we know that there's been... angels who have been in
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Speaker 1: rebellion from God from the beginning, at least minimum of
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Speaker 1: Genesis 6 and on. But what you've tried to share
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Speaker 1: here is there's a consistency in what they've done and
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Speaker 1: how they've sought to corrupt humanity.
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Speaker 2: So talk about that.
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Speaker 1: We can't get into all the details, but let's jump
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Speaker 1: into a couple of these that that happened before and
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Speaker 1: are happening now.
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Speaker 4: So what I did is I took seven topics that
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Speaker 4: I feel that fallen angels really incorporated in Genesis 6
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Speaker 4: and throughout Scripture and that I also see today. So
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Speaker 4: the seven topics were corruption of God's order, forbidden knowledge,
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Speaker 4: influence over the nations, which definitely goes into Ephesians 6,
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Speaker 4: you know, principalities, violence and lawlessness, sexual corruption, genetic pollution,
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Speaker 4: and then global deception. So like, for instance, corruption of
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Speaker 4: God's order. You look at Genesis 6 and Jude reaffirms this.
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Speaker 4: We see where these angels, they left their dwelling place.
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Speaker 4: They left where they were. And they went against God's plan.
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Speaker 4: And when they were cast out, when Lucifer, when he
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Speaker 4: went against God's own divine order, we see this corruption
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Speaker 4: of God's order now being replayed in even modern society.
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Speaker 4: This is not something that's new though, but like if
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Speaker 4: we wanted to just look at it from a modern
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Speaker 4: day standpoint, corruption of God's order looks like a reinvention
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Speaker 4: of the family order.
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Speaker 3: Right, you look at men and women, for example, right?
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Speaker 3: The role reversal. What is a woman? Exactly, what is
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Speaker 3: a woman?
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Speaker 2: Some people have hard time.
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Speaker 3: You know, Congress can't seem to have people that can
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Speaker 3: define this.
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court justices, right? Kentucky Jackson, you asked her, she
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Speaker 2: refused to answer. She didn't know.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, I mean, the role between a husband and a wife, right?
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Speaker 4: It's completely reversed now. I mean, who wears the pants
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Speaker 4: these days? You know, that was a saying, you know,
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Speaker 4: who in the house wears the pants? Well, in a
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Speaker 4: lot of households, you can see that. And then you
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Speaker 4: go on the forbidden knowledge, you know, seeking knowledge that
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Speaker 4: isn't intended for you, right? We're seeing just recently over
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Speaker 4: the past few years, we're seeing a major interest in
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Speaker 4: the occult, right? Seeking out knowledge that they shouldn't have.
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Speaker 4: Deuteronomy forbids this, right? We see just recently we have
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Speaker 4: college classes that are giving classes and lectures on witchcraft
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Speaker 4: and magic and how to even build your own spell book.
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Speaker 4: you know, influence over the nations. We've seen the globalization
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Speaker 4: of the world that is eventually gonna move to, you know,
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Speaker 4: this one world order that we're gonna see.
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Speaker 3: You know, J.B.
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Speaker 4: Does a wonderful job in his new book, Fade to Black,
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Speaker 4: where he talks about how there's 195 sovereign nations, right?
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Speaker 4: How can all, I mean, we can't seem to even
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Speaker 4: get things right the way that it is. So how
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Speaker 4: are 195 sovereign nations gonna come to an agreeance, right?
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Speaker 4: under one world rule. Well, it's gonna be globalization. And
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Speaker 4: we see how the world is moving toward that. We
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Speaker 4: see organizations like the European Union, the United Nations, the
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Speaker 4: Board of Peace. You're starting to see things like that.
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Speaker 1: Well, before you go too fast on that. So in
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Speaker 1: the sense of the fallen angels and their efforts, I mean,
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Speaker 1: we know there's innumerable angels and we have comments of
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Speaker 1: many of them rebelling What's their goal in integrating these
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Speaker 1: nations together? What's the end goal?
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Speaker 3: What's the playbook?
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Speaker 1: I mean, what are they after? They're playing this, but
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Speaker 1: what's the end goal?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they certainly want to make sure that everybody is,
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Speaker 4: that capitulates to a singular point of view, right? You know,
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Speaker 4: when you look at the Revelation 13 system, right, it's
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Speaker 4: a full system control, a planetary control grid that is
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Speaker 4: going to be oversawed by the antichrist. Now, when you
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Speaker 4: see how the fallen, we're gonna say the fallen angel playbook,
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Speaker 4: but when you see how the nations start aligning the
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Speaker 4: unity that we start seeing, I mean, a lot of
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Speaker 4: people may say, oh, well, that's a good thing. You know,
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Speaker 4: these nations are coming together. You know, maybe there's some unity,
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Speaker 4: maybe there's some things that they can agree on. I mean,
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Speaker 4: in a sense that could be great, but what's the
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Speaker 4: one thing that we see a lot of nations that
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Speaker 4: are unifying against right now? we see that so many
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Speaker 4: nations are coming out against the nation of Israel. And
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Speaker 4: is this something that has been repeated throughout history? Throughout scripture,
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Speaker 4: we see how nations and people groups come against the
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Speaker 4: nation of Israel. And that's definitely what we're seeing. We
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Speaker 4: just saw recently where Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia entered
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Speaker 4: into this Mecca alliance. And one of the things that
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Speaker 4: I saw some pundits talking about in regards to that
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Speaker 4: was the nation of Israel. They're going to seek to
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Speaker 4: basically cut off Israel's influence. So I certainly see how
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Speaker 4: Satan's plan is to cut off Israel, just like what
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Speaker 4: he wanted to do. You go back all the way
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Speaker 4: back to Genesis 3, right? He wanted to cut the
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Speaker 4: seed off, right? He wanted to get completely rid of
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Speaker 4: it so that Jesus would never be born. And throughout history,
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Speaker 4: we saw that particular pattern being repeated. Well, now that
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Speaker 4: we are where we are now, we see the same
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Speaker 4: thing happening because if the nation of Israel could cease
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Speaker 4: to exist, then there would be no reason for the
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Speaker 4: tribulation period because what is Daniel's 70th week, right?
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Speaker 3: It's God turning his attention back to the nation of Israel, right?
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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously God's attention has never left Israel, but
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Speaker 4: his sole attention is on the nation of Israel in
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Speaker 4: Daniel's 70th week, in that seven-year tribulation. One of our
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Speaker 4: colleagues likes to say the purpose of the tribulation is
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Speaker 4: for the salvation of the Jewish nation, right?
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Speaker 3: That's what that's for.
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Speaker 4: But we certainly see that the satanic influence of, nations
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Speaker 4: turning against Israel. So that's one thing that we look
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Speaker 4: at when we see these nations aligning and creating these
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Speaker 4: little three country alliances, 10 country alliances, whatever it means.
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Speaker 4: And then you see the broader push toward a Revelation
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Speaker 4: 13 system, which will be complete control at that point,
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Speaker 4: which we know that's not going to happen during our lifetime.
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Speaker 4: That'll happen you know, after we're going through rapture. But
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Speaker 4: we certainly see the groundwork of it being laid.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's something interesting to bring up is that,
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Speaker 1: you know, we talk often about, you know, as Americans,
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Speaker 1: we have a great history, you know, not a perfect history,
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Speaker 1: but we have a great history of freedom, freedom of speech,
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Speaker 1: freedom of religion, freedom of congregations, you know, freedom of association.
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Speaker 2: All those things.
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Speaker 1: And that has allowed the gospel to go out in
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Speaker 1: amazing ways. Of course, it's created a lot of a
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Speaker 1: lot of wealth in our country, but yet you look,
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Speaker 1: and when you look at Revelation 13, what you see there,
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Speaker 1: as you said, is control. The question that is kind
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Speaker 1: of before us, you know, if you're a Christian in China, well,
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Speaker 1: then you don't understand freedom.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know what freedom is, and you know
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Speaker 2: you don't have it, okay?
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Speaker 1: But how much freedom are we going to lose as Christians,
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Speaker 1: even if And even trouble, maybe it's digital currency, digital things,
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Speaker 1: the whole economic challenges. How much are we going to
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Speaker 1: lose in America before the rapture? I mean, are we
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Speaker 1: promised never to have any issues before the rapture?
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Speaker 4: And that's a good question because we're not immune to persecution.
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Speaker 4: We're not appointed to wrath. We're not appointed to the
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Speaker 4: wrath of God, which will take place during the seven-year tribulation.
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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that we're immune to persecution. And we
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Speaker 4: can just look all around the world. You just mentioned China.
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Speaker 4: You look all around the world, Christians are being persecuted daily.
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Speaker 4: Now coming from a Western mindset, right? We're here in America.
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Speaker 4: We haven't really suffered through much issues, right? You had
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Speaker 4: the whole, the 2020 situation, I'll just say, right? Some
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Speaker 4: of our freedoms there were taken away, right? That was
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Speaker 4: a really good example of what could be.
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Speaker 2: What they want.
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Speaker 3: And what they won't.
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Speaker 4: And a lot of people even then, you know, they
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Speaker 4: were thinking, oh, well, when the government takes something away
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Speaker 4: from you, they never give it back.
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Speaker 3: Well, what did we see happen after that?
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Speaker 4: We have seen the surveillance state grow immensely.
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Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you're seeing the institution of all of these
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Speaker 4: flock cameras coming up. You're seeing Axion cameras coming up,
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Speaker 4: which are basically the same thing, these surveillance cameras. You're
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Speaker 4: seeing digital identity being instituted in certain areas, age verification,
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Speaker 4: which a lot of people don't realize age verification is
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Speaker 4: a point of control because they get to determine who
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Speaker 4: gets to do what. So how much are we going
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Speaker 4: to see before the rapture If the Lord doesn't come
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Speaker 4: back in the next, let's say, 10 years, I believe
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Speaker 4: that we're going to see a lot of our freedoms.
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Speaker 4: And it's not going to be so in our face.
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Speaker 4: It's kind of being dwindled away.
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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back.
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Speaker 1: And before the break, you know, Joe, I interrupted you
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Speaker 1: just talking about the way things are heading.
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Speaker 2: So, you know, pick up your thought again.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the way that I believe that America is
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Speaker 4: gonna lose its freedom the way that we see it as,
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Speaker 4: you know, as we see it right now, it's not
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Speaker 4: gonna be from an in your face, we're just gonna
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Speaker 4: take everything from you like you see in other countries.
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Speaker 4: America has done a really good job of instituting the
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Speaker 4: use of private corporations to take away people's freedoms.
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Speaker 3: Go back to the 2020 timeframe.
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Speaker 4: Who was it that initially started instituting these edicts.
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Speaker 3: Within the areas?
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Speaker 4: You go into a restaurant and you can't enter because
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Speaker 4: of a mask, right?
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Speaker 3: Or maybe.
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Speaker 2: A card, a vaccine card.
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 4: Now, there were some local municipalities and local counties and
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Speaker 4: governments that actually had these on the books, but there
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Speaker 4: was a lot of private institutions that were saying, you're
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Speaker 4: not going to come. In fact, if you don't get
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Speaker 4: this thing, you're not going to be able to come
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Speaker 4: back to work.
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: Private companies.
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Speaker 4: Now, what are we seeing happening right now, especially with Flock, right?
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Speaker 4: Flock is not a government institution. Flock is a private company.
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Speaker 2: Explain to what that is.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so Flock is a surveillance system.
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Speaker 4: It's a camera system that is placed on light poles
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Speaker 4: where people can, where they can capture license plate and
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Speaker 4: license plate readers. Now, of course, they're billing it as
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Speaker 4: for law enforcement purposes. Oh, if If you wanna catch
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Speaker 4: a criminal, all you have to do is just have
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Speaker 4: this system installed in your city and we will be
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Speaker 4: able to find the perpetrator that stole the car or
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Speaker 4: that stole a box off of a porch.
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Speaker 3: The problem with it is.
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Speaker 4: It's not good technology because so many people have misused it,
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Speaker 4: number one, but also people have been misidentified as criminals
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Speaker 4: when they weren't even anywhere near the area. And they've
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Speaker 4: instituted this new thing within these flock cameras called signal
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Speaker 4: trace technology. Now signal trace technology is technology that they
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Speaker 4: incorporate into their cameras that captures signals that pass by.
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Speaker 4: So you can be in a car, the flock camera
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Speaker 4: will take a picture of the license plate. So you
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Speaker 4: know who the car belongs to, but not only that,
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Speaker 4: but with signal trace, you know who is driving in
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Speaker 4: the car and riding in the car. through their cell phones,
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Speaker 4: through their watches, their AirPods, whatever it may be. If
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Speaker 4: it's a Bluetooth technology and it's assigned to a particular person,
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Speaker 4: you're going to know who's in that car. So it's,
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Speaker 4: now what is it? A lot of people are going
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Speaker 4: to say, well, that's just law enforcement purposes. No, that's control.
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Speaker 4: Why do they need to track and trace everywhere where
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Speaker 4: we need to go unless they want to have full
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Speaker 4: control over what we're doing?
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And that's really the key and that's what we're watching.
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Speaker 1: We're watching it be implemented, and again, that's why we're here.
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Speaker 1: We're here to help you see what the Bible has
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Speaker 1: so we're watching it. We're like these pundits who are
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Speaker 1: watching all these things happen. No different than somebody watching
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Speaker 1: in the time of Jesus' first coming is like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: look at the angels came, you know, the Herod's, you know,
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Speaker 1: prophecy being fulfilled of Jeremiah of killing the children of Bethlehem.
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