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#376 - For Azeroth!: “Marching through Midnight" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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This is how I play. I can't run this thing at like
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lower than this level and feel good about about bringing this
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character to a raid. And that level is different for
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me than it is for Sean and the level that he plays at.
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That's different than the level that like Max or people on Echo
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or people on Method Play. Victory for the Forsaken.
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For Lauderon, for the Karentor, for Pandaria.
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For calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus
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but has not died, for the Lich King, for the Sindora, for the
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Alliance, for the Horn, for Azeroth.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azra.
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My name is Manny A gay, the true, real Manny, and I am
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joined by the wonderful, the amazing, the Wisconsin Lex.
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Hi, Manny. Those are words that everyone
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says was about with Wisconsin. Every single time when I think
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Wisconsin, I think wonderful. I think amazing.
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I think wheat. I know wheat.
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What else? Wheat.
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I don't know. It is Wisconsin.
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Wisconsin's definitely cheese, but like this is this is where
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I'm hitting the limitations of my US geography.
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I feel like Wisconsin is one of those fly over states, which is
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just like a lot of agriculture, not much of the of like a reason
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to stop there. And usually it's just like plane
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flying over to your thing. So I'm, if somebody was like
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point out Wisconsin on a map like I'd be pretty lost, Lex.
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So if you want to give me the crash course here, where the
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hell is Wisconsin? I'm sorry, 'cause in Wisconsin,
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don't ask me. Where I failed every single time
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we had to do a like map test where we had to like put in the
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names. God help me, I was terrible at
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that. I'm off the hook.
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It's OK. I grew up in Iowa, as I think
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I've mentioned a couple times. So I think this is true of all
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of the Midwestern AG states. We are very agriculture, but
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it's all corn, corn and soybeans because you can rotate them and
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they like replenish the like the soybeans replenish.
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I don't remember which one it is.
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One of them is like really draining of the soil.
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So then you rotate it out with the other one and that one
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enriches it. I think it's the soybeans are
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enriching and the corn is really, but anyway, you, you
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drive through Iowa and it's like corn, corn, soybeans, soybean,
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corn, corn, corn. So I know what you're talking
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about. But next time you're thinking
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Wisconsin, think corn. And I might be wrong.
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I haven't been to Wisconsin. OK, All right.
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I can't, I, I can't affiliate corn with Wisconsin because like
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in a little place a little bit north of me in Ontario, we have
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Buckhorn and the motto of the county is corn country.
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And so Buckhorn is here in corn country now.
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They're all that's just everything remotely western.
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It is I I just googled it. It is.
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Corn, soybeans and hay are the major, major crops of Wisconsin.
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Got it. OK.
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But it is a fly over state, so I'm I'm OK with this all right.
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The Midwest is all again. Again before anyone.
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I mean you can drop as many angry comments as you want.
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They increase our week. But I I'm an Iowa girly so I'm
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allowed to talk shit about the Midwest.
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But I mean. OK, right, Well, you haven't
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travelled far, but how is the World of Warcraft treating you?
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It has been so good. I am still really, really loving
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this season. As somebody who primarily plays
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solo, I am realizing that my, you know, significantly more
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mature adult friends who have children and things are playing
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on a very different schedule than my little I Want to Wake Up
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with the Sun by puppy dog. So unfortunately I'm struggling
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to get groups with my friends but I'm learning to pug M0,
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which is not as scary as I thought it was.
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So I'm pugging DPS. I've come to understand one
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thing about myself, which is that I I might, it's possible
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that I would conceptually enjoy tanking, but the degree of like
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stress and like the people pleaser in me want they so
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obsessed with doing it right and perfectly and like Oh no, I
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messed up and oh God I'm not facing this correctly.
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I just, I cannot currently relax and enjoy it.
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So I started pugging as DPS and what I'm learning from pugging
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DPS and no longer being in a role where everything feels like
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it is my fault because I was healer before I tried tank is
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I'm like a solidly middle of the road player.
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Like I was convinced that I was terrible at mythic and like now
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I'm like, oh you guys, if are we not doing mechanics like are we
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just am I the only one interrupting me?
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It's. Like my everybody stupid?
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No, I'm joking. Yeah, there's some and I, I was
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feeling a lot more confident in myself and I'm coming to
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understand that. Like if it feels like the group
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is making a lot of mistakes, it might not just be me.
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There might be other people making a lot of mistakes too.
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Yeah, I'm having I I am, I am loving the prey system so much.
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That is super fun. I'm very grumpy with the the
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world quest rewards felt really great for the first like day and
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then I learned that it's all one handed weapons and rings and
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trinkets and I'm sick of it but that's OK, whatever.
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I'll just go gather traps because I don't want to do the
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world quest anyway because. They're doing nothing.
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I don't hate you. I don't hate you, I just like my
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world quest have been cloaks and I have gone I have gone
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trinkets, but it's all the stuff that I don't need.
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I really need some rings and until like just minutes before,
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maybe an hour before this recording, I needed a main hand
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for my warlock in the worst way. So you to be like, Oh yeah, just
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main hands and tricks them like in rings.
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I'm like, come on. That's those are the holes in my
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gearing up strategy right now. I.
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Swear to God that it is reading whatever we have and giving us
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what we don't need, because I spent the last two weeks in 165
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pants doing everything I could to get any other pants.
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It literally I have two O 7 pants now because I was whining
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about this so hard that my leather working fans made me
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pants and I I I haven't seen any.
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It's terrible, like and and I was just unlucky with my like.
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I also, I've gotten so many like I'm I'm sorry Manny, I really
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don't mean to rub this. No, no, no, I'm listening.
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Like I keep the same weapons keep dropping in my also sorry
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let me finish this the same weapons keep dropping in my
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delve chest every single time. Also Speaking of world quest
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rewards being terrible, I once had two unique I think it was a
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unique ring in the same zone and I'm like why would I want this?
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Well, in terms of world quest rewards, they do all pull from
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the same table. So regardless of like it just
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sucks that they have to be the exact same zone right beside
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each other, just staring you at the face be like.
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But yeah, they do all pull from the same table.
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So you are going to see those those duplicates there.
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I have had some bad, bad luck on different things.
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I've had some good luck on stuff.
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I do think that, you know, we're, we're human, we're going
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to remember the bad stuff more so like when I did pray and I
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can tell you like, Oh my goodness, on my, on my warlock,
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I got the same reward like twice in a row when I was trying to
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gear up. Like I can't remember what I got
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on the shaman, but I'm sure it was good because like my shaman
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was like pretty good on the spread.
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So we do remember the bad luck a lot more.
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But that's part of game design. In theory.
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You kind of want to avoid the appearance of hard done ship
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that that that can cause people to like feel bad.
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Those feel bad moments is what what they've said a couple of
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times. And maybe maybe the loot table
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could use a little little bit more love.
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But one thing that you did mention though, is you're a
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leather worker friend making you that those pants.
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So you got out of those 160 fives guys, I'm not sure how
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much longer this will last and but go on the auction house, buy
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yourself some Blues. You will find that probably not
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by the time you listen to this, but if you if you had some time
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machine, you could go back a week.
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They were going for like 2 digits.
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Like you could buy a pair of of 200 or one mirror 200 pants for
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like 50 gold. Like it was, it was ridiculous.
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Which kind of brings us to our first story, why the auction
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house is in this state. There was an exploit where
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people could infinitely get knowledge points for their
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professions. This meant that people could
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craft like the best stuff that you normally wouldn't see until
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much later in the game, not much later in the season, but like
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much later, like season 2, Season 3, sort of like they had
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infinite knowledge points, maxed out their trees, and therefore
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they were making rank threes with like the lowest quality
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stuff because they had it all kitted out.
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And as they were then the only thing that they needed was to
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get their skill points from let's say 50 to 100.
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There was some people who did this exploit that were cranking
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out items. And because the market got
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flooded so fast with such high quality items, prices dropped
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and are still quite low. So whereas, like, the first
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week, you could find maybe a blue pair of pants, Lex, and it
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would have cost you a couple of 1000 gold, and you would have
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been like, maybe I want to do this.
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Yeah, at one point I was buying up Blues for disenchanting at 25
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gold apiece just like, OK, sure. And it would get the 50.
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And I'd be like, I'll wait till somebody drops that down.
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Now we're all of you guys wondering, oh, man, I got to get
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me some of that. Actually, yesterday, everyone
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who used that may have been hit by a big old band wave.
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This band wave lasted is going to last seven days.
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So from Tuesday through to the next reset, all of their
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knowledge points have been reset.
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I'm not sure if that means that they're back down to 0, which
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would be wonderful concerning how short the the ban the ban
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is, but they might have just been reset to what they would
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have been without the exploit. Lex, you could have taken
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advantage of this, but I'm assuming that you were you.
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You were nice clear from all of this, and clearly because you
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didn't pick up stuff, you were also not partaking in this, even
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indirectly like I was. What do you think about this?
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So I, I think I'm kind of moving a little bit off of my, if
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Blizzard makes a mistake and people exploit, it sucks to suck
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because I mean, that did actually effect like, I, I think
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this was one where it's pretty clear how people exploiting
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something affected other players and affected the economy and
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made it so you kind of had to exploit.
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So as much as I know this is hypocritical after some of my
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historical takes on this podcast, I do actually think
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that was a good ban. And I think, I mean, they, they
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have put a little bit of the fear of God in people.
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Like I was when I was doing the delve quest, the the opening
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quest there's when you go in, you can go talk to this woman
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and she gives you a free delve and if you haven't closed the
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window, it looks like you can click on the item again, right?
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It doesn't go away and it's a free item.
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I think it might be too anyway that it looks like you click on
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again and I was so scared to click on.
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I did hear from one of my guildies that it doesn't it's
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not a true exploit, right? You can't get unlimited keys out
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of that. But I think that is honestly for
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the best because I think it the idea that these are innocent and
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that these people genuinely didn't realize they were
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exploiting is not feeling very true.
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I think if it was like a like a true, for example, the people
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who are like grinding the frogs that drops extra stuff in
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original Mr. Pandaria remix that I think you can actually like,
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I, I can understand the mindset of like, hey, I guess they're
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offering it, you know, whatever. I'm just being smart.
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I'm going to the place that grinds easiest.
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But yeah, if it's blatantly obvious that somebody made a
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coding bug and you're using it, at least at the very least
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Blizzard has made it very clear, you should not be surprised if
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you get a ban. And at this point, I feel like
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everyone understands the fire they're playing with when they
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actually. Yeah, I think that in this case
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it's a true exploit. In the case of the frogs, I'd
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say that's a creative use of game mechanics.
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And I think that the way Blizzard went about it shows the
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difference between the two. Where with the frogs, they said
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OK, well, like, OK, that that was a little too far.
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And what we're going to do is we're going to roll you back to
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something decent. We're going to shut down that
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that thing so it can't happen anymore.
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Even though anybody can argue that it shouldn't have been in
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there in the 1st place. We're not having an argument
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right now. It is now that it we're at this
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point what what is fair for Blizzard to do and then allowing
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people who had not taken participated in that a way to
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catch up further. So people are on a relatively
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stable thing. I think that is the like our
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bad. OK, we can't we we're not going
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to throw the book at you. But this one was literally a
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weird a weird thing that like after you do it like, let's say
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2 three times, you're like, oh, knowledge book, huh.
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It's weird. It didn't go out of the IT
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didn't go out of stock. Let me go pick up another one.
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That's odd. It didn't go out of stock.
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Let me pick up another one. And then you do that hundreds,
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if not thousands of times. Yeah, no, that, that is, that is
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not a creative use of game mechanics.
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That is an exploit in what is clearly not not the intended
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behavior and. Have to keep the the trade
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window open. Like it wasn't like you could
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close out of it and then go. So come on.
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Like, yeah, again, maybe the first copy like, oh, that's so
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cool. The Blizzard lets me keep buying
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this. But you know what's going on?
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You know what you're doing. I may have gotten a second copy
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of one of the books on one one of my characters because it's
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sort of like a oh great, there's the books and stuff.
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And then I'm like, did I buy that already or I, I can't
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recall. And so like, but I didn't catch
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a ban. If you did it once or twice
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innocently, maybe it knocked you down a point and didn't throw
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you a ban. I can't tell because I, I
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genuinely don't know if I had done it.
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Please don't make this the like let's report Manny podcast
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because because I might not have.
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And then you're just wasting their time.
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Anyways. There was another one, Lex, that
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was also changed in in Midnight the first week, the Legends of
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Har and our quest. You could do that on one
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character, go back on another character, pick a different
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story. And if you had enough
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characters, you could do all of them, right.
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And that they changed to be no, no, actually you're only
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supposed to be able to do one story each week per account.
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So in that way, they didn't ban anybody.
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They didn't even remove anything.
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They just said OK, like the last two are still locked out in in a
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couple of weeks where you're actually supposed to get the
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like additional story stuff. You will get the additional
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story stuff and you can now and you can now wait for other
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people to catch up. But there were no bands about
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that. I actually don't know if they if
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they are allowing people to like redo some of the ones that they
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didn't do on other on their other characters.
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So like, let's say your priest hasn't done any and your war and
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your Demon Hunter has done too. I'm not sure if you're if your
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priest is now locked out of everything your Demon Hunter has
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done or if you're allowed to do that again.
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Regardless, there were no bands there.
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There were there was just like a hey, you're like, yes, this,
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this should have actually been locked to the account level and
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we're going to change that. So do you, like, do you think
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that Blizzard should put down a notice of like, here's here's
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the stuff that counts as pure abuse, Here's the stuff that
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counts as like creative usage? Or do you think it's better that
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they keep it ambiguous so that they can act accordingly?
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I think, I think keep it ambiguous.
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I think, I think if they were like, if they were to make a
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list of potential exploits, they would almost certainly miss
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something. Like I'm sure they wouldn't have
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thought in advance of like, oh, if we accidentally code
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something. So something you're only
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supposed to buy once, you can buy an infinite number of times,
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right? And also presumably if they can
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think of a potential exploit, they should be checking for it.
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Their QA team should be looking at that specifically.
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So I, I do think it should stay generally like what's up,
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whatever is going on. Because, yeah, I mean, I, I
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think if somebody could genuinely good faith believe
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this is what Blizzard wanted, like, I, I, I can, I think this
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is what Blizzard wanted us to do, right?
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Or I guess they, I guess they changed their mind, you know, I
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guess, oh, maybe they did actually want to be able to do
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all the legend of Haranar on week one.
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That's crazy. Anyway, I I that I think should
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not come with punishments if it's that type of mistake.
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I also like by and large think if it's not game breaking, if
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Blizzard makes a mistake, like generally I don't think that the
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players should get punished for finding a mistake.
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Like if it's something silly and fun, right?
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Like the people who figure out how to get into Galliwick's room
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early in the race, like, yeah, obviously they shouldn't be
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getting rewards out of it, but like, whatever it's go for.
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But something that is potentially like, affects the
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way that other people can play the game.
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For example, devastating the market on crafted goods in a way
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that if you don't do the exploit, you're not really
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capable of making money in a certain period of time.
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I think that's a different that does need to be handled a little
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bit more strictly so that people don't feel that they can they
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should exploit these things. That could make other people's
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game less fun. Yeah, actually I think that was
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an amazing example. The Galliwick's skip back in
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Liberation of Undermine was something that like, clearly
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that wasn't supposed to be done and they removed them off the
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Hall of Fame and then they locked that away.
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So yeah, like there are definitely levels to it.
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I just, I wish that there weren't so many recent examples.
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I remember a podcaster that was like, I, I feel like it's making
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that they're like they're doing this pace so fast and I don't
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want these guys overworked. We'll we'll keep that person
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anonymous for now, but let's let's hope who knows?
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So anonymous person somewhere out there in the Internet.
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Wise words. So, yeah, but that was just the
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start of our Week 1 of Season 1 because we've also seen a number
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of balance changes both to the classes because they said, hey,
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we're holding off on balance until week of the heroic week.
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And so this is the first week of the balance changes.
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There is going to be more coming later when when hurric week is
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done. And it got the data from people
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running through dungeons and going absolutely nuts or running
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through raid and going absolutely nuts or struggle
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busing, whichever class that might be.
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So there will be more tuning. But in this first wave of
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tuning, we've seen some pretty big swings here.
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We have seen, of course everybody could point to the
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particular ones that were over performing and we're so far
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ahead and so some of those classes have received some
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pretty heavy nerfs. We've also seen the back of the
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pack being lifted up. If you are a guardian Druid, I'm
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really sorry the nerf bat came for you.
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This seems like some pretty heavy nerves and some for their
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damage but people are saying this might be too far.
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This may have killed guardian druid.
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I don't think it's just that guardian druid caught the caught
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the nerf bat. I think it's also because
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Ferrell that was doing pretty well and balance also received
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some buffs. And when you're when you're
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looking at this, this kind of stuff, this is this is where
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Sean would chime in and talk about like how things are in the
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race, the world first. But it's matters in that way
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because these teams, they're going to define the meta.
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They are going to take particular classes, they're
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going to fit it into their entire matrix of what they're
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taking into the fights. And if Guardian Druid isn't
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doing well and the other specs that also bring those that
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utility that the class brings are is are doing well, well then
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guardian gets SAT because it's easier to go grab the feral and
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fit that into DPS or the boom can and fit that into the DPS.
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Then use a tank spot for that. And then brewmaster monks, yes
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one of their specs got hit, but there are other spec wasn't
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doing that bad. And when I say spec, I mean hero
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talents wasn't doing that bad and so people are saying that
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Brewmaster Monk may have dodged. I said that I feel like I just
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made a pun. I'm sorry guys.
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Brewmaster. Brewmaster Monk dodged the
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bullet on this one. And so Brewmaster Monks are
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looking really strong. There are of course some things
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that are like doing better. Relative Elemental Shaman was
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doing pretty good, but wasn't one of the outstanding ones.
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It got buffs, while all those other ones that were like, oh,
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the outstanding ones, they've received nerves, which kind of
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catapulted elemental in people's eyes ahead of this.
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But the The thing is though, guys, a lot of this is
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perspective. A lot of this is not exactly how
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tightly they're balanced, but how people feel they are
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balanced. So Lex, again, you're mostly
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playing solo. You've been really into the game
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and less and less about like all the conversations going on
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around the game. Have you been hearing people
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like moaning about how how much their class has been done in by
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the nerves or how much they've been helped by the buffs?
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I haven't heard much about buffs or nerves.
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I do feel like I had heard things like I feel like it
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actually heard that monk was really good.
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So I'm kind of surprised that they got they got some cute
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little buffs there. I think maybe I've just missed
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it because these I mean, like there are some big changes that
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that they released with this. So I'm kind of surprised that I
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haven't heard more people freak out a little bit.
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But no, I've somehow missed a lot of the stress about about
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tuning in general. Yeah, I'm really glad to hear
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that. Because like, I don't know, I,
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I've so much of the World of Warcraft conversation in the
26:14
past has been about like the meta specs or what is like the
26:19
OP thing that you've got to bring or you got to be playing
26:22
Lex, get off of Havoc, you've got to be playing Devourer cause
26:25
Devourer's craziness. And I find that like modern
26:33
balancing and generally content creators have acknowledged that
26:42
for the, for the overwhelming most part, all classes are able
26:48
to do pretty much all content. It's just that the cutting edge,
26:56
the bleeding edge of like race to world first and and that's
27:01
the sort of thing is what the meta is based on.
27:07
I am playing a enhancement shaman and I'm sure if you were
27:11
to look over on Wowhead you'd see enhancement shaman is not
27:14
anywhere near the top of the meters.
27:16
I am playing an affliction warlock and I'm sure if you were
27:20
to look at I think Calamazzi does things he would be
27:24
bemoaning afflictions single target damage.
27:29
Enhancement Shaman. With the this week's hot fixes,
27:34
they received some general damage buffs to the spenders.
27:42
I think this is actually pretty good for enhancement shaman.
27:46
Obviously I am absolutely biased, but I think that the
27:50
buffs to the spenders actually bring Stormbringer a little bit
27:56
closer to Totemic because Stormbringer generally relies
28:01
more on it. It's it's finishers but that is
28:08
a too far down the shaman talk tree of.
28:13
I'm surprised that Affliction didn't get much of anything, but
28:18
I am playing with some people who are playing at like mythic
28:23
level and I'm hanging in there even though affliction this is
28:29
like my first tier playing affliction.
28:33
I was literally learning the single target while I was
28:37
raiding the other day and I'm glad that the tuning isn't so
28:44
off that I that I felt like out to lunch.
28:48
Also find sorry little aside, I find that like the classes in
28:53
terms of their complexity and how you can learn them and pick
28:56
up the rotation at a really good spot right now.
29:00
I know I have friends that are three crafters that would
29:05
ardently disagree with me, but Lex, how?
29:09
How are you feeling about class complexity?
29:12
How does it feel to play your Demon Hunter?
29:16
So one thing that I think I might have mentioned on the show
29:19
before when I switched over to Vengeance really quick,
29:21
Vengeance is actually much harder than happy.
29:24
Maybe it's just that I like and Havoc is particularly easy
29:29
because it is a very structured rotation.
29:32
Like you can basically tune out, like plan out exactly what
29:36
you're going to do. There's really no procs.
29:37
There's a little bit of like certain talents mean that
29:43
certain things will come off cool down faster, but overall
29:46
it's a very clear structure of what you were going to do at
29:49
what moment when Vengeance is very much more of a build and
29:52
burn, which I've just never really played.
29:54
So it feels really, really overwhelming to me.
29:56
But havoc I'm like, I don't know, I guess I'll put blur on
30:00
my hot bar because I don't know what else I put here.
30:02
Like I had like open spots. I don't know what to do with
30:05
vengeance. I'm getting all my key vines and
30:07
like, you know, also another level up and like it's vengeance
30:10
scares me right now. And but so havoc I I I still
30:17
kind of miss my sigil, but we so we really didn't get we got our
30:23
sigil taken off and I think we might have gotten a couple other
30:25
like utility spells managed. I'm actually so I'm on the
30:29
Wowhead list right now. I didn't realize I was playing
30:31
AD tier mythic plus DPS. So that's why nobody's inviting
30:34
me to groups. But that's also not true, by the
30:37
way, because I did get into plugs.
30:38
So who cares? I'm not a stupid, but havoc.
30:44
I mean, so I have also one thing I really decided to do this
30:47
tier. I don't have ADPS meter going
30:50
right now because I was thinking about it and I'm like, look, I,
30:55
I never like choosing to do bad DPS, right?
30:58
If my DPS is low, it's never because I'm like, I will do a
31:01
bad job today. I could choose to be better, but
31:03
I instead I'm going to do poorly.
31:05
So I'm always pushing at my top output.
31:09
So all that a damage meter does is make me feel bad about
31:12
myself. So I have no idea where I'm
31:15
hitting on dungeons right now. I don't know if I'm, you know,
31:18
just hanging with the tank. I don't know if I'm top.
31:19
I know I'm pulling aggro a fair amount, so presumably I'm doing
31:23
well, but I'm, I'm really not allowing myself to look at that
31:27
because I'm with rating we log. So I can, you know, after raid
31:31
go and look and see how I was doing and, you know, plug things
31:33
into wow analyzer and figure out what I was maybe struggling with
31:36
and things like that. But I don't see a huge benefit
31:40
of putting the damage meter. I I feel so much better in
31:43
dungeon when I'm not focused on DPS and what I am focused on
31:47
things like havoc has a lot of utility and a lot of dungeons
31:49
right now because we have a ton of I'm actually kind of
31:52
surprised it's so low on the on the list.
31:54
DPS must suck because you know, there's so many tasters.
31:58
So the fact that I have my interrupt and also my group's
32:01
done like I've, I wipe out half the mechanics with that right?
32:04
Like so many things are interrupt, you know, like
32:06
interrupt, all these different things.
32:07
I can run into a group, hit whatever, then it's green.
32:10
I know what the button looks like.
32:11
I don't know what it's called. Knock everyone out and have a
32:14
good day right, so I pay off Nova right right, and I mean I'm
32:19
also it's it's super useful with all the casters because it's
32:22
really easy for me to run over to a caster mid cast, kick it
32:25
and make it run over to the tank like I'm learning how to play my
32:29
class with like the utility of it is is really strong in my
32:32
opinion. I guess I don't know.
32:33
I I have nothing to compare it to but I mean.
32:37
You used to play on your priest, so you you have a where you were
32:40
coming from. I will also say I think spending
32:44
any time tanking did teach me a lot of stuff.
32:46
Like for example I never before would have thought like if there
32:49
was a caster over there I would have been like why is the damn
32:52
tank not on the day? Over.
32:54
There, go deal with it. And now I see that I'm like, OK,
32:56
I know what's going on. They're not going to move until
32:58
they're interrupted. So I just have to, you know,
33:00
venture a treat over there, kick them fell rush back in do my I'm
33:03
being good. We're having a good day.
33:05
So I will say having spending time learning different classes
33:10
and different roles is really useful just because then you can
33:13
kind of start to get a better sense of what your healer's
33:16
dealing with, what your tank's dealing with.
33:17
You know how you can help, how you can use your utility.
33:21
I fully, Oh, I was. We were supposed to be talking
33:22
about how things are feeling. No, I I love this.
33:25
You're talking about getting more pieces of the puzzle or so
33:28
that you can like from where you are, know where you fit and what
33:33
you can do to help better. I love that.
33:35
Yeah, this is not a surprising take on the show, but one thing
33:38
I will say is like, if you are not playing this game as a job,
33:42
it is a game. And so therefore do what is fun.
33:45
Almost nobody that you're grouping with and you're like
33:47
random pugs is playing at an extremely high level.
33:51
So like, if the meta is looking at like the top players when
33:55
they're doing the top output, your teammates aren't doing
33:58
their top output. Like you're not playing with
34:01
people who've memorized the rotation to the perfect.
34:03
Maybe you are, I don't know, but you're probably not.
34:06
And if you, if you are, you're probably not listening to me.
34:08
You probably know to tune my little voice out every time I
34:10
come onto the podcast. So I, I, I play for fun.
34:17
I and I think that more people should play World of Warcraft
34:20
for the joy of it. I love Havoc.
34:23
I knew that Havoc was going to at least significantly
34:27
underperform Devourer, but it's such a just fun and joyful
34:31
spectrum that I within like a week on beta, I was like, no
34:37
chance will I be doing anything other than Havoc.
34:39
I switched back so fast. So yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a
34:44
video game. None of us are competing at the
34:46
level where we're doing SIM level damage.
34:49
Learn your utility, have a good time.
34:52
Well, despite being a DTA or mythic pluser Devourer caught a
34:58
small nerf. Would be 4% overall damage dealt
35:03
reduce? Devourer is killing it.
35:05
Devourer is SI think yeah, Oh, it's a plus.
35:08
Whatever. OK, well they they did receive a
35:10
small nerf. Meanwhile, Havoc received a
35:14
number of buffs, including a 6% global damage increase and
35:20
damage increases to specific spells, including emulation or
35:24
and and buffs to their a jockey Reaver, her tree as well.
35:30
So hopefully that'll that'll help you out.
35:33
But I think it's it is really about just narrowing that band.
35:37
And like I said, there are more buffs coming in the in the weeks
35:41
as they get more numbers. So if you're like, why didn't
35:44
you get touched right now? Or maybe it wasn't quite enough.
35:47
Don't don't lose hope. There is there is more buffs to
35:52
come. Were you saying in beta, Manny,
35:55
that you should really want your class to be significantly
35:58
underperforming in beta? Because anything that looks
36:01
really good early in the season or in like PTR and things is
36:04
going to get absolutely nerfed into the ground and anything
36:08
that is like really underperforming, they're going
36:10
to bump it right on up. So there we go, kids.
36:13
That's why I'm playing AD tier Mythic plus.
36:17
The exact place you want to be is kind of where elemental
36:22
landed, where you are not at the top of the pack.
36:25
So you're not going to hit the get those nerves.
36:28
But once those guys hit their nerves, you might be the top.
36:31
And I think that's where elemental is.
36:33
And elemental got like the most modest of buffs.
36:37
I think they got their spenders, which is like earthquake and and
36:43
earth shock. Oh, it was just the AOE stuff,
36:48
allegedly. Let me go look at the look.
36:51
Look at it right there. Because we got another round.
36:54
Oh wait, wait, wait, wait. Sorry, I might have been too
36:55
high. Is this?
36:56
PvP No, you're right. Elemental chain lightning by
36:58
10%, earthquake by 10%. So just the AOE got it got
37:03
shifted and that is well, I mean like that is their AOE package
37:11
right now chain lightning until you can spend on the the
37:13
earthquake. So there in AOE 10 percent, 10%
37:17
buff pretty much all around. And that's kind of where you
37:21
want to be. You want to be just with at the
37:26
higher end of the pack, but just at the higher end so you don't
37:30
get nerfed and let while the other the kings fall.
37:34
That's when you seize the crown anyways that again, there are
37:41
more bounce changes coming. So do not lock in exactly and
37:47
really just play what you want because I am finding that if
37:51
you're enjoying it right, you're going to have way more fun.
37:54
Maybe do like Lex and turn off those meters.
37:59
You can have them actually I'm not sure.
38:02
Back when we had details and the add-ons, you could hide them
38:06
while you were in combat so you don't like, you're not looking
38:09
at those numbers instead of like actually DPS ING and in the
38:15
middle of combat. Oh, yeah, I mean, like, also
38:19
people get different joy, right? There are, there's a group of
38:21
our raid team that has so much fun fighting each other for the
38:25
top of the meter. I've made it very clear.
38:27
I do not want to hear my name in that conversation.
38:30
I do not want to know. Like that is that is not a thing
38:32
that makes me happy, that makes me feel stressed and bad about
38:35
myself. But like, yeah, I, I totally, a
38:37
lot of it's a competitive game and people enjoy the
38:40
competition. So please don't take that as
38:41
like, you cannot have your DPS meters on because like said,
38:45
right, play however you want to play.
38:46
It's for fun, just don't tell me where I am on the DPS.
38:50
But I, I think that anybody who heard that advice is immediately
38:54
going to know if it applies to them.
38:56
You're going to be the person that like looks at that meter
39:00
and it's like, oh, why, Why am I not doing well and that sort of
39:04
stuff. And in the middle of a fight,
39:05
you're not going to know. Maybe I will say that I got a
39:11
lovely boot camp. I had just got my warlock up to
39:15
90 and I got pulled into the Mythic World 0 tour.
39:22
It was a great place to be because there was no way I was
39:25
going to compete with these humpers with their like actually
39:30
having geared out. And I was playing with another
39:35
person who was playing affliction warlock who raised at
39:38
a mythic level. And and so I got to see them
39:45
tearing it up and me like way down there fighting with the
39:48
tank being like, oh, my goodness, I hope I can like keep
39:50
going. But I didn't feel stressed about
39:55
that because I knew there was no way I could compete.
39:57
And I was able to directly look at what she was doing and be
40:03
like, oh, OK, so this is kind of what I should be doing as well
40:06
and learn immediately. And then?
40:09
By the end of the time we had done the the run, I was no
40:12
longer competing with the tank. I was healthfully ahead of the
40:15
tank. I was nowhere near the other
40:16
guys, but I like, I learned how to to do it because I had that
40:21
person going along and I could just look at the meters and be
40:24
like, OK, so most of their damage is in this ability and
40:28
they're lining up the these sort of things and like this is where
40:32
they're getting their spikes. So sometimes that helps
40:34
obviously, and being able to talk to somebody and get
40:38
immediate feedback and say like, hey, make sure you're lining up
40:41
your burn window in such a way really did it did help.
40:45
And if you use meters in that way, that's good.
40:47
If meters are stressing you out, turn them off, hide them away.
40:52
You can look later. OK With that said there is yet
40:58
more for season 1 because we had of course this big Delve
41:06
controversy with the start of this week.
41:12
The Nemesis boss for Delves had opened up and there was a little
41:19
incentive for people, the 1st 4000 people to kill the Nemesis
41:25
at the well, formerly question mark, question mark.
41:28
Now tier 11. They've changed it from tier,
41:31
tier question mark and tier question mark, question mark to
41:34
tier 8 and tier 11, which is where it was all the time.
41:38
It just doesn't have the like weird nomenclature.
41:43
And so if you were one of the people to kill this one at the
41:49
top level solo and you did it within the top four 4000 you
41:57
would get a title fabled Slayer. And so people were trying at
42:06
this within the first night before the we morning hours.
42:15
This was complete and 4000 people had had earned their
42:19
title. There is a video out there of a
42:24
person who was working their butt off and then watched as the
42:31
gate closed ahead of them when they had the boss down to 5%.
42:37
And they did go on to kill it, but they didn't get the title
42:40
because they were the 4000 in first or second.
42:44
I'm not sure. But they they just missed the
42:47
the clothes off. So congratulations to all you
42:51
fabled slayers out there. But now there's a new fable, the
42:56
fable of sour grapes, because there are many people who feel
43:03
that this was too small a number for the fabled title.
43:08
This is almost a Hall of Fame as you as it were.
43:13
They felt that this happened too quickly and that the only people
43:18
there, there was one person who was very, very loud and said
43:22
that the only people who got this are the people who didn't
43:25
have any other responsibilities like a raid team or a job.
43:29
And so they were able to do this because anybody who was away on
43:34
Tuesday, that happened to come on Wednesday, No, it's too late
43:36
for you. Again, I don't want to talk too
43:41
much about that one because that is a straw man argument That is
43:45
like weakening what argument it was.
43:48
But the position that people were wanting was instead of it
43:53
being an exact number, what if it was a time period where it's
43:57
like, hey, did you kill it within the first reset?
44:00
Congratulations, you are a fabled Slayer.
44:04
Lex, I think you had some comments about the straw man,
44:08
but talk about the straw man and then talk about like do you feel
44:11
would be better for it to be like a timed event where hey,
44:15
can you get it done in in the first three set?
44:17
Yeah, I mean, like to the straw man, I would say.
44:19
Do you think that like liquid has jobs and like other jobs and
44:24
other responsibilities? Like, yeah, man, that's how you
44:27
get extremely like high level reward or like titles and and
44:32
cool stuff in World of Warcraft as you know, like it.
44:35
I don't have them. And anyway, I I, I am on record.
44:40
I, I think that because delves are open world content, and I've
44:49
said this a few times on this podcast, I think that people
44:52
feel kind of entitled, right? Delves should be easy.
44:56
They should be something that everyone can kind of get.
44:58
It's no biggie. It's just easy open world
45:00
content, right? It shouldn't be anyone's like
45:02
first priority. Is it in the vibe that I tend to
45:04
kind of get from the high level, you know, raid and mythic plus
45:11
people that like, well, it's baby content, so I should get
45:13
all the delve stuff because I'm better than the delve baby and
45:16
I'm I'm being a little bad faith.
45:17
I'm aware that I'm being a little bit bad faith.
45:21
I. God's not here, so somebody's
45:22
got to do it. Someone's got to do it.
45:26
To be fair, I doubt that the Blizzard team meant for it to
45:30
take like 12 hours, right? Or whatever.
45:33
I think it was 14 hours for that to go through.
45:36
So my guess is that it's going to be like next time they do
45:40
this, they're going to do something more like a, you know,
45:42
a reset cycle or they're going to increase the numbers.
45:46
Although, OK, this is a stupid question.
45:48
A mythic rating team that's 15 people, right?
45:52
Or is there 20 in Max is out on? So.
45:57
Oh, it's 20 of the team the. Team that does it is 20 players
46:01
fixed right? That like, does the encounters.
46:06
So many mythic grade teams include a bench of players that
46:09
may not be active in a particular encounter but might
46:11
swap in when needed. Right.
46:16
And when they get the achievement of Race of World
46:20
First, it's not just to the 20 people who got that last boss,
46:23
it's to everybody in the Guild. Right.
46:26
So that that is true, that's a fairpoint.
46:30
I think you could probably guess the point that I was about to
46:32
make, which is that the Hall of Fame is the 1st 200 guilds that
46:40
get the kill. And so it actually kind of adds
46:43
up to about the same, right? Because I mean it's more time
46:45
because grades take longer. And again, I really do not think
46:49
that the Blizzard team meant for this to take less day.
46:51
My guess is that also startled them and they are going to try
46:55
to make it easier for more people to get in.
46:58
But if you're talking a twenty person team for 200, that's
47:03
4000. That's the same number of people
47:05
achieved the Hall of Fame. And again, I this nuance and
47:08
it's complicated. I.
47:11
That's a good point. I hadn't even thought of that.
47:13
OK, Do nap. Do nap.
47:16
Yeah. So, so I, I think I think that
47:23
this would have probably been a better achievement to put on the
47:26
like mega delve, right, to make it more of a race to world first
47:29
sort of vibe. Oh, that labyrinth stuff that's
47:32
coming. Yeah, exactly, I think and that
47:34
would also potentially build actual hype and I again, I don't
47:38
think that delves have the pull of like mythic writing,
47:42
especially since they but I could imagine if that had more
47:45
of a Hall of Fame sort of thing, I think people be less grumpy
47:49
because it would take more time because I mean, yeah, you know,
47:52
the whole like the person who was watching it and got 4000 and
47:55
first not to dismantle to, you know, hand wave the fact that
48:00
that was like really devastating for them and they did a really
48:03
incredible job to get to that point.
48:04
And that really sucks. But I mean, yeah, man, that's
48:06
also what happens in world first rating.
48:09
Like somebody always is like a percentage away before someone
48:12
else pulls so. How many times we've seen like
48:16
Echo or Liquid Watch as like the other team gets gets world first
48:22
and they feel that kind of same kind of detection.
48:25
Right, right. And look again, I'm never going
48:28
to be competing for this. So I'm talking completely about
48:32
a situation that I. Because you're PvP queen.
48:35
Like eventually maybe you'll shy your hand at PV.
48:38
Exactly, exactly 1 day. I'll I'll try out a delve, but I
48:43
I think it's really cool. Cool.
48:44
The delves are getting an opportunity to have really hard
48:47
push like to, to, to for for people to feel like they are
48:51
pushing and being like a top level delver that that's a thing
48:55
you can get a cool title for. That's like really exciting.
48:57
And if people see you walking around with that, they're going
49:00
to be like, are you serious? You got to be in the 4000 that
49:02
closed in 14 hours. And I and I think either delves
49:07
need to be made like if if we want delving to be something
49:11
that you can compete for and push for and work for, either we
49:15
have to make them significantly harder, right?
49:17
That's one way that we can make it take longer is if the nemesis
49:19
delve I, I I don't want that. I don't think that, you know, I
49:22
mean, actually that's not true. That's a huge lie.
49:24
I just lied directly to all y'all's faces because I love to
49:27
complain. The delves should be harder.
49:28
So I take it back. I think that there should I,
49:30
yeah, actually immediately revert that.
49:33
We absolutely should. I, I'm fully on team making
49:35
delves harder. But more so, I don't think that
49:37
you guys do. I don't think that the the world
49:40
as a whole wants delves to be harder.
49:43
So the only other real way to make it to to to make things
49:45
like that genuinely challenging and genuinely impressive is to
49:48
make them really fast, right? You have to push through it.
49:51
You have to. Absolutely hustle your butt and
49:53
you have to work really hard in advance and you have to go, go,
49:56
go, go, go and make that your entire life and then you get
49:59
your nemesis kill in the 1st 4000.
50:02
I think that by making them harder, at least the Nemesis
50:06
boss harder, you would achieve the same thing.
50:10
It would take longer for people to get through it all.
50:13
And so like, but I think that I like kind of how you structured
50:21
this giving Dells this entire prestige is, is legitimizing it
50:30
more like for way the way you started, like everybody is being
50:34
like, oh, Dells are easy and they're not real content and and
50:39
that sort of thing. And this prestige and having
50:43
4000 people in all of North America and 4000 people in all
50:47
of Europe have, well, I guess all of the Americas in Oceanic.
50:52
I apologize. I don't want to exclude people
50:55
who were part of this and did many people in those regions did
51:01
try for this and few of them did earn this like stand tall, stand
51:07
proud. You put in the effort and you
51:10
prioritize this and you got it done.
51:13
And that is something where I've only beat it on like the
51:17
question mark or sorry, rather the tier 81, because I just
51:21
wanted to get that done for my other priorities, which is
51:25
rating, which is mythic plus, right?
51:28
And I love that there are people who made Dells a priority.
51:31
That will make Dells a priority, even if it remains exactly as it
51:36
was this time. They'll be like, oh, wow, last
51:38
time it went at 14 hours. I've got to make sure that I'm
51:40
locked in for this. And that's treating Dells
51:44
differently than they have traditionally been through the
51:48
war within. So good.
51:50
Good on that. I love, I love you know what,
51:52
Lex, no notes. Maybe, maybe all of that was
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notes, but from here on, no notes.
51:57
Perfect, Lex. Delves are also, by the way,
52:00
really OK. Caveat, I have to say anything
52:03
time I say anything about Delves.
52:04
I play a Havoc Demon Hunter and Havoc is particularly strong and
52:08
solo content, so your mileage may vary.
52:10
However, I I'm having such a good time with delves this
52:14
season. This is like so strong.
52:16
I'm finding the pacing to be on point.
52:19
I am very happy I don't hear Brand's voice again.
52:22
I am really really digging this season of Delve.
52:25
I'm feeling like I am excited to log on and do delves.
52:29
Also, they threw keys at us like candy.
52:33
They were like, oh, I was so stressed about the fact that
52:35
before I was going to be able to do my delves, I was going to
52:37
have to go like grind out some keys.
52:38
And they were like, oh, you're worried about keys?
52:41
Here's a couple. Here's 75 shards.
52:43
Here's like every single thing is given to give you.
52:45
I think I have like at least 200 more shards at this point.
52:49
I think it might be 300. Anyway, +2 full keys.
52:52
Anyway, I'm flying high. It is a great time to be a Dell.
52:56
Yeah, I like when I did the entire like tour the relicre and
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stuff, I got like 6 keys out of that.
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I was like, that's amazing. Went and did a delve and got
53:05
another 2 keys and then like some shards I'm like, oh, I
53:07
guess I could get more, more keys.
53:09
And like Dells are relevant to me right now in terms of gear
53:14
level. I actually think that they're
53:15
going to stay relevant for me maybe through a lot of the
53:21
season. Like right now I'm like, my
53:25
entire thing is balance right now guys, I am staring down the
53:30
barrel of running 2 characters at the level that I ran a single
53:34
character. My raid lead said like, listen,
53:39
you don't need to get do it at this level.
53:41
But like my response was, I'm really glad that you do not
53:46
mandate this. I know a lot of people on the
53:48
team do not, do not want to do this, but like this is how I
53:53
play. I can't run this thing at like
53:58
lower than this level and feel good about about bringing this
54:01
character to a raid. And that level is different for
54:05
me than it is for Sean and the level that he plays at.
54:09
That's different than the level that like Max or people on echo
54:16
or people on method play. That's different than Dratnos
54:19
and the like the the crazy stuff that he like makes the
54:22
spreadsheets for. That's different than like my
54:25
mage friend who I cherish so much.
54:28
But it is like my anchor to like whenever I go like, oh, I'm
54:33
being like super casual. This, this is my friend who does
54:36
not read much on Wowhead that is playing for like Lex.
54:44
As much as you want to be like you're the Super casual and
54:47
stuff you will never compete casual casualness.
54:50
I've got my anchor. She is wonderful.
54:53
She's been my friend for decades at this point, not, not quite 2
55:00
decades, but we're reaching there.
55:04
And it, it, the perspective is that people will play at the
55:10
level that they that they enjoy, or maybe they will stress
55:14
themselves out. And I will always play at the
55:17
level that I enjoy. And if I, if I, if I feel like I
55:22
can't balance the two characters at the level I enjoy, I will
55:27
drop one period. But that's all that is to say
55:29
that now I'm playing delves on two different, very different
55:33
perspectives of a range DPS and a melee DPS and really enjoying
55:41
it both in both perspectives and seeing what they can do.
55:44
It's, it is definitely a shift of like how I even approach
55:47
them. And I love that that is that
55:50
shift. So I'm going to say delves do
55:52
have like obviously different, different challenges for
55:57
different specs, but also different ways you can approach
56:00
that. I I so like, yeah, Dells, I'm
56:03
glad that they're here to stay. They're a good addition.
56:06
I'm, I'm obviously I again, I, I, I, this is such a good
56:09
expansion for solo player, which I know there's going to be some
56:13
people who are going to put validly be like the, the fact
56:17
that an MMO is pushing for more solo play is nothing to keep an
56:21
eye on. But I mean, I don't know, we're
56:22
adults and we have busy lives and it's complicated and the
56:25
World of Warcraft community is beautiful in a lot of ways and
56:28
complicated in a lot of others. And I think clearly the
56:31
community was hurting for some like was hungry for solo content
56:35
and we got it. And I'm having such a good time
56:37
and I get to go do my little pray.
56:38
I get to go do my little deal. It's A and I, I love that you're
56:42
like so into like the content that you're at solo play and
56:47
stuff. And then also, I don't think
56:49
you've touched housing. Remind me, I don't think you've
56:52
so really touched housing that much, right?
56:54
So housing I had a little shift actually after our our
56:56
conversation off off podcast about like making housing your
57:01
own and like doing whatever makes you really excited.
57:04
So I was thinking about it and I was like, I have an actual house
57:08
that I hate decorating. Like I, this is my least
57:11
favorite part of anything I've been talking about.
57:13
Like I I'll be like, oh, you know, be cool to do is XYZ
57:15
thing, but I never do it right. It took me 3 months of having
57:19
the right paint for my bathroom to get around to painting my
57:21
bathroom. Like I still need to paint my
57:22
bedroom and the wall behind me. I'm, you know, I'm, I took me
57:26
half a year to put art on the walls, right?
57:29
Decorating is not a thing that is, is particularly exciting to
57:32
me. So I readjusted the way I was
57:36
thinking about housing and now I'm like, it doesn't have to
57:39
look nice. I have my living room and the
57:42
point of the living room is that it's like a Demon Hunter
57:45
paradise, right? There's things to bounce off of
57:47
and backflip off of every every single corner.
57:49
There's like little pillows with books and coffee.
57:52
The the coffee by my bed is my favorite thing personal.
57:55
Then I have my vice kitchen, which I'm current that these are
57:58
all works in progress. The vice kitchen has my a ton of
58:02
coffee, a ton of like wine and alcohol stuff.
58:05
I got the hookah, of course, that's getting built out.
58:08
And then there's my favorite, which is the fire room.
58:11
And it's a room where I am taking every single thing that
58:14
is flaming that I can possibly get my hands on and I'm making
58:17
it so that the room is just like, you know, top to bottom
58:19
flames. I love the fire room.
58:23
That is awesome. And so like, I guess with all
58:26
the stuff that you're getting as you've been leveling and doing
58:28
quests, you've just been like throwing things in as a work in
58:31
progress. Yeah, I do.
58:33
I actually am thinking the fire room might also become my prey,
58:38
treasure or. Gallery.
58:42
Notice that every time you do a prey, you get a little bust and
58:45
they get like fancier the higher, you know, whether you do
58:48
it on a nightmare or normal. And it's kind of flamy in its
58:52
own way. So I'm like, that's kind of fun,
58:53
right? It kind of matched the fire.
58:56
Oh man, OK, after this, after we're done this recording, I do
58:59
want to check out this this room.
59:01
I have done nothing with my house since the expansion began
59:06
just because I've been so and on the expansion and doing doing
59:12
stuff at end game to get ready for that.
59:15
But I got to ask you, how is prep being for raid?
59:19
Are you ready? Do you feel ready for raid?
59:21
I know your team does some fights blind.
59:25
Have you chosen to go blind for the entire raid or just
59:28
particular fights? How are things with Timbermoore
59:31
Tavern? So we are going to do another
59:33
soft blind normal is what we call it, where basically we're
59:36
not going to like ban you from like watching Race to the World
59:38
first. But we are asking the people
59:40
don't. We're not going to like have
59:42
people watch videos and stuff and then prep for things we
59:47
don't know because we now don't have add-ons.
59:49
We don't know how it's going to right.
59:51
It's possible that with significantly less information
59:54
from like a week or not week or some DBM and things like that,
59:57
we are going to start to feel like this actually kind of sucks
59:59
and we're actually not really having fun.
1:00:01
And then we'll go back to what we were doing in the past was
1:00:03
always just. Right before a boss poll, we
1:00:06
would send a video. We'd be like, we're going to go,
1:00:07
everyone, we're going to take a 5 minute break.
1:00:10
Everyone you go with, watch together.
1:00:11
And then we'll come back and we'll all know the same strategy
1:00:13
and we know everyone did it. So I mean, worst case we go back
1:00:16
to that. But our plan right now is to go
1:00:19
through normal without doing any official studying and especially
1:00:24
with the officers not really studying what we're going to do.
1:00:27
So we can kind of go in and be like, oh, what's working, what's
1:00:29
not, what seems to be going on. I, I'm really excited.
1:00:33
We did also set our gear level pretty low.
1:00:35
So we set up like you had to be at least 2:20 to get into normal
1:00:39
raid with us, which I mean, I'm almost 2:30.
1:00:42
I'm almost certainly going to, I guess raids tomorrow.
1:00:45
So we'll see. Depending on whether or not I do
1:00:47
some delves tonight, I may or may not at 2:30, but I, I am
1:00:51
very excited to get back into trading rating is the thing that
1:00:54
brings the most boy to me. So that is that is very exciting
1:00:58
to have that actually coming back up tomorrow.
1:01:01
Then we will check in with you again next week and see how
1:01:04
that's gone. I've had one team go as a it was
1:01:11
very strange. It was a community night because
1:01:15
they were doing like the general community and the prog nights
1:01:19
are actually Thursday, Mondays now, which kind of lines up with
1:01:22
your team. So that's when we're supposed to
1:01:27
really go in. But like, I was like, oh, let me
1:01:33
just get as much gear as I can and every and everything.
1:01:36
And then I looked at the time. I was like, oh, community night,
1:01:39
I guess I'll go for that. And that's when I like ran, ran
1:01:44
through that. So I I've had like a little bit
1:01:45
of of practice with like the raid enjoying it so far.
1:01:52
Dragon seem to be the step up challenge for many teams, but
1:01:57
we've seen a lot of teams clear 7 out of eight.
1:02:02
Then the last boss which again will avoid spoilers.
1:02:05
The last boss being another bit of a wall for some teams.
1:02:09
I despite the fact that the dream rift is supposed to be a
1:02:13
middle of the pack in terms of difficulty, I would suggest to
1:02:18
anybody just go do the dream rift if you're doing it on
1:02:22
normal. Like it seems to be incredibly
1:02:27
easier to understand than even getting to three.
1:02:32
The third boss, the twin Dragons in sorry, that's the fourth
1:02:36
boss, The fourth boss twin Dragons in in this raid, which
1:02:40
is actually, yeah, the mid level.
1:02:42
It's a it's a, it's far more easier to understand.
1:02:44
And so therefore your execution and getting through that fight
1:02:47
is good. You'll be handing out tear to
1:02:49
people because it does have tear there and it's a great little
1:02:53
quick like oh, we got it done. Now we can go and work our way
1:02:56
through the other bosses. So that's my suggested pattern
1:03:01
for people on normal mode. I have not dived into heroic yet
1:03:07
and I have done the first two wings on LFR, which if you are
1:03:12
min maxing, yeah the LFR is on the table folks.
1:03:18
But that will be a discussion for another episode.
1:03:24
For now, though, may all your hits be crits.