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Rise of Skygasm: Rise of Skywalker Review · Multiple Nerdgasm

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well Hans Sol is dead welcome to multiple
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nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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Things
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nerdy still dead yeah just got to lead off with that I thought they were going
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to reveal that he didn't actually die but they didn't no reveal he was
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actually Palpatine all long death doesn't really mean anything in Star
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Wars anymore no one's ever really gone no that's certainly
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true all right so we've done it we've watched the last Star Wars movie ever
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cuz Disney said this is the last one and I trust it and we're going to talk about
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spoilers they said this is the last Skywalker one last one ever so they've
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also just come out and said actually depending on how this goes this might
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not be the last Skywalker one what a [ __ ] surprise did actually leave it
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open did it certainly did I notic also Kathleen Kennedy said oh maybe we won't
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do trilogies anymore and then boa was like well we might like it's all right
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guys Jesus Christ it is funny that everything has to be a TR I agree like
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if you didn't wrap up the story if you didn't have enough time just do number
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10 [ __ ] it who cares do actually I have quite a lot to say about that aspect of
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this whole thing so we are going to talk about spoilers so listeners if you have
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not seen Star Wars episode 9 the rise of Skywalker don't listen to this episode
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yet go watch it called also what are you doing the rise if you not seen it yet
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yes the rise of palpa that's not a spoiler it was in the trailer don't get
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upset mhm but seriously go away they very open with it that Palpatine was
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coming back well they had to be didn't they cuz because otherwise we would have
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been like what the AC [ __ ] yeah cuz otherwise 5 minutes in everyone would
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have been like what is going on I will admit for the first 20 minutes of
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that movie I was going what the hell was going on uh it's called R conning and uh
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we were undoing a lot of stuff from The Last Jedi that first 20 minutes of mie
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just kept jumping around and I did not
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enjoy it delete delete delete I did enjoy it on a certain level see I feel
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like maybe there's two things that that I think enhanced my enjoyment of this
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film one of them is that did read spoilers and some of the more outlandish
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things I kind of already knew so and number two you were getting a hand job
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while watching it from Ryan Johnson um and it
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was it was not good it was not very good really subverted my expectations of what
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a hand job should be um because it was you giving him
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one you thought you were going to come but you didn't I
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did
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uh so well I okay overall what did you
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think of it first overall once I got past that
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initial what what is this I actually started to enjoy it when once I feel it
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slowed down and actually went he a story again talking about a hand job from Ryan Johnson
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exactly yeah yeah okay so I I really liked it there's a couple of things that
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I thought could have been done better and one particular thing that I didn't
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like at all but overall really enjoyed it yeah what was a part you didn't like
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we'll get to that okay I [ __ ] loved it I had a smile on my face the whole
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time and as I said I think part of it was that I kind of knew some of the more
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zany things were going to happen the dopy [ __ ] and in context they were
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better than I was imagining so I I was still happy and number two I agree was
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that I there was one part I did go what the [ __ ] on a certain level I did enjoy
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all the middle fingers to the Last Jedi even though I was like oh God what are
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you doing like you don't have to do that but then I didn't expect it to be so
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explicit yeah I know say all of this I'd love to know what Ryan Johnson would
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have had planned for three well that's my point right what they done he would
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have inverted your expectations again it would have been all those
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characters locked up in a cabin and there snowed in and they're talking about their
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feelings cuz I get like if you're if you liked what the Last Jedi was trying to
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do that's cool but you got to remember that was the middle part of a supposed
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Trilogy that was supposedly the end part of a big story and he was like he came
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in and went nah going do my own thing and like flip the table over it doesn't
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work that way like what the [ __ ] what was he going to do for episode 9 what
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was his idea for episod yeah like how was that wrapped up a
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couple of things that JJ did in this to undo a couple of things that Ryan
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Johnson did that I actually thought oh and it made me
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appreciate one or two things that Ryan Johnson had done I actually think were
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better unj jifi yeah yeah I I I would agree with that and I actually there
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were things that I thought from explicitly from The Last Jedi that J J
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used in this that I liked stuff like the you know the the force FaceTime stuff I
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thought oh that that was that was cool like we would had that and it's and it's
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evolved it's evolved since then too like they're getting they're getting better at
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it I do feel like it's super weird right that Disney was like yeah you guys just
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go at each other in the film in the film go at it like that's F that's
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right like yeah Jesus and then J.J Abrams the other day was like no no no
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we're good J Ryan Johnson and I we're good no dramas mate have you not we just
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we've seen the film open and craw Star Wars Ryan
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Johnson can [ __ ] off one of the like um when Ray throws
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the [ __ ] lightsaber and looks like that that was the one that I was
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like treat it with respect yeah the lightsaber no the [ __ ] trilogy weapon
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of a Jedi more respect it's not Ryan it's Ray oh sorry Ray Ray yeah Ray
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Johnson no Ray palp my [Laughter]
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mistake all right so [ __ ] Where Do We Begin look I I just want to begin by
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saying I feel like it's almost an injustice um doing a review having only
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watched this once because there's a few things I really do want to see again
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yeah so maybe maybe just cave up that some of the things I say I might take
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back after I've watched it again yeah fair enough and there's also stuff I may
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not remember correctly that's right were you
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drunk I was drunk it was midnight well we have said on this podcast before that
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a lot of people find it difficult to discuss the Last Jedi in any detail
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because most people only saw it one time that's so true and you know what I
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want to see this movie again yeah I I actually planning to go this week at the
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movies I'm trying to find people that want to watch yeah I didn't want to go
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see Last Jedi again of the movies I was like maybe I'll watch it again one day
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this one I'm like no [ __ ] let's go let's go now yeah my nie is and Ne man
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like Wars yeah it's taking me back to Remember the force awakens when that
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came out and we saw it like yeah saw it we saw it ourselves and then we saw it
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together then we saw it another time all in the first couple of days it's got
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that brings me to my very first point of this this Felt Like a Star Wars movie
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yes yes tick tick in that box last J what is what is that like what is the
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thing I think it's because it was an adventure yeah I suppose like and the
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last J was not an adventure no yeah I guess I could really put my finger on
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exactly why but yeah you're right I mean the cuz as much as you know we pick on
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plot details and stuff from the last J that was silly I mean this has Silly
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[ __ ] in it as well but I didn't care oh yeah man it [ __ ] did like really
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silly [ __ ] like the way explain snug oh I made
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him yeah why didn't you just turn up why did it have to be him but now I'm like
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does that just get a pass because I know that he got [ __ ] screwed on that or
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that's the thing but that's okay so here's my problem right can I just
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articulate this this is my problem with anyone but George Lucas ending this
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Trilogy and I know that's controversial right but if someone's telling you a
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story a true story say you want to hear what happens at the end right you want
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to hear what actually happened if someone's telling you a fictitious story
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that they made up you want to hear what happens to the characters in the head of
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the person who made up the start of the story that you liked
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sure if you're watching a fictitious story that somebody started and you want
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to know what happened and someone else comes in it's just making [ __ ] up and I
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know it's making [ __ ] up anyway but it just doesn't feel like I get what you me
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if you if you were to go back and watch the original Star Wars or even the
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prequels and go [ __ ] I wonder what happens to okay well JJ's making that
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[ __ ] up so come and have a look you know what I mean it for some reason this just
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doesn't feel officially real yeah as the end of this uh they made a point of
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mentioning actually there was a funny headline that said um lots of people
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lots of you know big face big names at uh the premere not George Lucas he
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didn't show up and they also made mention that K Fisher didn't show up and
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I'm not sure if that was just a that was poor wording or if the person didn't
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realize that yeah there's a very good reason she wasn't there this was a nice
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send off for her I think and George Lucas turns up with a little n of her
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ashes God is it like a Prozac pill I oh my God no it
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is is it she's in a giant Prozac a that's
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that's very sweet um I thought 90% of Leia was was handled
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very very well sure yeah y there was one scene where sort of like her daughter is
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there sort of talking to her and that that sort of tugged on the heartstrings
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a little bit yeah that was uh that was actually Ryan Johnson tugging on your dick ah yes
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yes no I agree um the only scene I didn't like and I didn't think was
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necessary at all was the complete CGI young layer which they promised us
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wouldn't do yeah that was odd then actually for some reason CGI Luke looked
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fine he looked great CG did not look fine maybe it was because they promised
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not to do her then they went no we will rush to get it we'll make it [ __ ] then
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yeah I think they just took her straight out of Battlefield
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2 yeah yeah that that that was a bit
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like UNC County Valley that sequence yeah yeah but but all the bits where
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they basically just rotoscoped her out of deleted scenes from The Last Jedi I
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thought worked really well yeah cuz you can sort of hear those lies you go that
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was not for this movie that's right they had to really W com and you could kind
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of Star Wars she wasn't based in that scene originally either you
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know so one of the things that got sort
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not really reconed but got bookshelf was
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Rose and yeah oh man we don't want you
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in this movie I don't I and look there's been a lot of talk online about this
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people are really mad about it and I think like I mean I didn't like the
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character and I'm not you know but I mean if they had had something good to
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do with her in this film that might have been fine but clearly for whatever
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reason JJ Abrams didn't have anything to do with her in this film so he just put
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her aside and I I don't see a part for her in this film I didn't feel it was
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really necessary it made me laugh but didn't think it was really necessary for
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her to go oh nah I got some stuff to do yeah like give us something important to
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do on there or don't mention it don't actually have a scene
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where going to be part of this and she goes no for some reason I'm not going to
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be part of this that was a little unnecessary yeah there was also one part
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towards the end of the field where Finn was sort of going to sacrifice himself
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to she goes okay like
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Jedi was no you can't do that we all have to survive and all this and then
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this one is just oh that sucks cuz the other the other aspect of that is and
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some someone pointed this out and I can't really argue that this is wrong
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right Rose is there right she's a she's a character we're familiar with but
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Dominic Monahan gets more lines than she does that was so weird that was like
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they didn't here's someone you need to pay attention to like he was doing stuff she easily
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could have been doing that yeah here is my friend from
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Lost yes I mean Greg grunberg he was in
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forw and he fine and actually he looks exactly like all the [ __ ] fighter
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pilots from the old Star Wars you
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know got a beard I wish they hadn't have killed off that a-wing pilot in the last
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year cuz I would have liked her to see her in that role yeah yeah oh a couple
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people good character and fun and then subverted your expectations yeah there's
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a couple of characters I wish they had killed off in The Last Jedi might had a
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different film well here's the thing if they hadn't killed off snow I think
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there would be no need Palpatine and just would have been the new [ __ ] bad
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guy but before we move off Rose um I also just want to say quickly I think
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that Kelly Marie Tran was playing a completely different character who just
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coincidentally was called Rose because that wasn't the same person I did also
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get that I didn't really feel like it was yeah that happy yeah
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character no history with Finn you know it was just oh did you know that there's
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another resistance fighter here who's also Korean and her name is Rose we have
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to remember the course of these three movies took course over like what 3 days
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or something no this one's like 10 years later or something I think right isn't
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it it's I mean there's I think some time passed before this
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one I don't know I don't get I didn't get the impression that they had okay
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but yeah you're right I do feel like the way that they handled Rose in this on
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the nose yeah cuz like this is even something more of a middle finger to
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Ryan Johnson as well is remember at the last of last jedite they actually go
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like we call them people will come people will arise and then this one went
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we called out and no one rocked up we need someone with the Charis
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Charisma of l o before that's going to happen yeah Lando's back but if I was
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Kelly Tran and I like read the script I would have gone in and been like guys do
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you even want me in this movie well if you want to write me out just write me
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the [ __ ] out I've got a lot of respect for her for doing this cuz like she kind
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of got screwed let's be honest like it's not her fault that her character sucked
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and then to to be to have to come back and I mean it's kind of embarrassing for
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her and not only that she was perfectly good in this movie which leads me to
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believe she could have been perfectly good in the other one too if she hadn't
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been poorly written and poorly directed but then the I mean the truth of it is
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if if I I I don't think JJ Abrams meant to be a [ __ ] about it like I I can't
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imagine he would have right so he clearly better she is to get four lines
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and no more yeah that's what I mean so it's kind of like I don't know it's just
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weird yeah like that's that was the the worst kind of middle finger the other
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stuff I just kind of laughed at and I you know like the lightsaber and then
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the uh oh the holdo maneuver gets a mention oh that was one in a million all
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right thanks just could he could have just not mentioned it like yeah that's
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right we know it was [ __ ] as far as a story of the the world
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of Star Wars we know it messes things up you just didn't have to mention it well
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the other he had to tidy up was hu because he s hu up to be like the next
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Grand mooff tkin and then uh Ryan Johnson turned him into a [ __ ] comic
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relief so they had to be like where do we go from here are we still Aon by the way he's
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dead yeah and here's another guy filling the role that he would have filled if
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you hadn't made him into an idiot yeah that's right we had to bring in all
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these new characters cuz you ruined the characters I set up carefully so
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weird but I did like how they did that how they sort of turned out hux to be
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like cuz where he had to move on to from The Last Jedi so it turned into like I
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see where this is going I'm not a fan of this I'm going to start slipping
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information to the resistance I can actually see that progression from where
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they had to go from might be nice to see that play out but I don't care if you
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win but kylo Ren has to lose yeah that's pretty good
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yeah yeah so yeah I was a bit sort of sad when he just got shot can we talk
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about Klo Ren for just a sec I know it's jumping around but um we
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established and once again spoilers spoilers are coming um I don't think we
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need to mention that again people have already disgust if they I'm jumping to
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the end of the film now that's really reinforce um Ray can force heal right
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can force heal like the child yes yes baby Yoda can also Force heal so you
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know and they they fast-tracked that to earlier in the
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day that wouldn't come as a shock to anyone um my favorite uh my favorite part of
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this movie was when she died so Carlo Ren brought her back to life and then he
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died and she was like I might I might end this here yeah that worked
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out for me yeah I did like how they did explain
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their Force connection though yes Force diad yeah yeah like this is something we
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haven't seen in a very long time and there are even in old Star Wars cannon
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in Legends there were forers there were people would have like a specialty that
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would just be sort of a gift that they got yeah that they just had yes so it is
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not something they've just created for this no no it's uh yeah usually even in
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the role playing games you have like a a
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thing like a the Jedi a thing yeah
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usually they but they have to learn how to use it that's the other thing Ray has
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never been taught how to use any of these things CU she's a Palpatine Dan it
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actually okay it's an unknown know one she doesn't know she can do
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things like she's she's got the power to do everything but how does she know that
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she can do it and how to do it what did you think about her
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background because I kind of feel like I'm like it couldn't have been anything
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else honestly like what the [ __ ] else could it have been it's the like he had to explain
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like why is she so powerful like why does everyone in the force awakens know
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think they know who she is why is she why is she special like oh and then Ryan
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Johnson was like a she's not special well she [ __ ] is like you can't just
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ignore the movie that came before your movie like well here's the thing then
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also if kylo Ren took out from her mind and then basically as a child all
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she she know parents were for sensitive or anything like this she just knew her
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parents and then they sold her off which they did just to save her then to what
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he takes from her mind is they were nothing yes no I think all that works I
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just I'm I'm like you think you know like her being a Palpatine you know what
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do you think about that that's that's the one thing I don't like I legitim
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don't like that and and here's why number number one I mean I've I've been
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very vocal about not liking that everyone's a [ __ ] cousin of someone
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and that scene where he was like I'm the grandson of Luke GOwalk and you're the
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granddaughter of that that was just so [ __ ] on the nose like sure it was
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just I just I didn't like that I I could have done without that but I actually
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think Ryan Johnson had had rcon something himself that I think was
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better the original way it was done which was that you don't have to be
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Force sensitive and I'm doing air quotes here because there's no such thing as
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that in the original Star Wars anyone can learn to use the force it's always
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around all of us not everyone believes in it and you can be taught to use it
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and in in The Last Jedi the thing that I do like is that Ry was nobody she didn't
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have parents she wasn't related to Skywalker or to anyone but she could
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learn how to use it and they doubled down on that at the end of the film when
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they showed just this poor boy in a stable learning to use the force as well
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and that's what I really liked about it at gone back but that's I mean that's
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how it always was so I I get she's I she Palpatine's granddaughter CU I I've seen
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a lot of people said oh you know like Ryan Johnson like you know democratized
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the force and all that kind of stuff so anyone could be J that's how it always was
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it was only like no no no the [ __ ] The Phantom Menace when they started
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saying now you got to have the Muran count the high better at the force you
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are oh sure sure sure sure yeah yeah yeah but but that doesn't mean like it
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doesn't mean well I guess yeah that's what they wereing now you have all these fans
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going no only only a Jedi can turn on a lightsaber you got to to turn on a
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lightsaber they had like a whole Jedi Council like M who was who were mace
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window's parents who were Obi-Wan's parents who were were Yoda's parents
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well yeah it wasn't just because it didn't actually wasn't your direct
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connection the grandfather of everybody well actually that's what I
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want to know we have to remember um isn't it Palpatine's also technically
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Anakin's father I don't believe that no no there there was a thing there was a
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comic stene no there was a there was a comic strip recently that
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showed uh imagery that heavily implied that it's got Palpatine menacingly
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hovering as a ghost around pregnant shme and then even someone from Lucas film
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fuing someone at Lucas film or Disney now I guess said no no no no no no
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that's that's just a dream sequence like that that that was that was something
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that that's not a recent thing that's something that was discussed about
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before episode one where put medians into into no no I get you but it's not
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wink wink it's never like explicit because Palatine says to Anakin in
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episode 3 like he can create life and then he looks at him gives him a little
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wink and then he whispers yeah but we've seen how he creates life he made snoke
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in a big tube yeah that's right two Snokes that I saw yeah at least but what
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I find funny is that when you look at snoke you're like [ __ ] he's all like
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battle scar and stuff like who is this guy what's his history no no no no no
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it's just because pal is not very good at making people and he made several
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that were so [ __ ] that when he made that ugly thing he was like that'll do go on
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it just makes other thing makes me laugh is that this whole [ __ ] comic there's
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comic books and and and all this stuff that explains like how
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snoke U met kylo ran and and like it's all just horeshit like Disney you know
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oh we got to wipe out the uh the expanded universe so we can keep keep
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you know Cannon and and everything's going to be controlled and there's the
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story group all that kind of stuff [ __ ] off like yeah no one's keeping track of
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anything with any success used to yeah they really used to keep track
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that's the thing because I I think with George Lucas and and I can't believe
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we're going back to defend George Lucas now but with George Lucas there were
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rorge right there were rules so I mean yeah the the well the attitude the
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attitude of of of Lucas film Disney now seems to be they're Jedi they can do
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anything whereas Lucas was always like well sure they're Jedi but they can't
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just do anything but George was kind of like the extended Universe George was
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very involved with that there was one series of books where they had one of uh
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how's children Anakin was going to um become evil and George has come in and
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got N I don't want that can you actually Chase it to Jason and then that's just
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arbitrary like it's I mean George never had a [ __ ] plan it's just whatever he felt like
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like also true like well he had came back and like when when he made Star
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Wars right Anakin and Darth Vader were two separate [ __ ] people it wasn't
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until Empire Strikes Back that he was like I know I'll make it his far I'll
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make Dar an the same person that's true and untrue because before that in the
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earlier draft it was one person and he'd split it out and then he went back to it
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cuz some of these some of these some of these things are cuz it before he got to
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where he got he had like sh WR remember was originally going to
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be all droids and no humans at all
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and yeah so well all I'm saying is and and Luke and Leia being brother and
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sister obviously that was not always supposed to be the case no except that
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in the earlier earlier drafts they were twins all along well they were the Star
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Killer twins except he had him kissing Empire except he didn't I guess [ __ ]
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casan did yeah but I mean if I came on set and I saw
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K what's his name and uh he like he what
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kind of think of K's name Kushner vvin Kushner Irvin Kushner
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yeah but I actually even remember like a making of the return of J's VHS tape I
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had where they talk about how they were making it and then it's like how do we
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get him to sort of turn and attack and they going that's right we'll make them
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related it was sort of like it was they'll make it up really as they'll
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feel big as well well my dad brought up a really good point when we first
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watched The Empire Strikes Back for the very first time when I was like 5 years
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old and as soon as they stopped the Love Story between Han and Leia and and
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switched over to her being with Han um I was like oh wow like imagine that you
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know like why is that and my dad just turned to me and goes because um
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Harrison Ford has become a bigger star than Mark Hamill did yeah and and I mean
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that's that's got to be true right I mean if if M hell continued being the
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heartthrob he still been with the princess you know why Han Solo is in
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[ __ ] Carbonite at the end of Empire Strikes Back cuz Harrison Ford didn't
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want to come back Pi deal he was like [ __ ] I might
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not I have an idea why Mark H's crew didn't progress the same way that
27:45
Harrison's did go on when he was at the height of his career like just come off
27:49
Star Wars and everything he then had that car Crush yeah he took him out of
27:54
commission for quite some time so all these times where he could have been
27:57
banking some quite high-profile roles he was sort of there and I think
28:02
that maybe sort of hindered his career a little bit he went didn't get the cash
28:06
in at the time he didn't get a Indiana Jones movie in between as well they just
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rocket him to stardom he just did time cop or whatever that movie is well
28:14
that's what I mean like he he sort of missed out on cashing in yeah yeah yeah
28:19
mind you what he did cash in on is all the Star Wars peripheral
28:24
stuff like he was on The Muppets as Luke Skywalker yes you
28:29
know well he got his Redemption I have a feeling he turned up at Ms you know what I
28:36
mean he got his Redemption moment in uh in in Rise of Skywalker he got to be the
28:42
Luke Skywalker that we all remember again yeah yeah suddenly and
28:47
mysteriously completely different character last [ __ ] ey look hold on
28:50
that's not a reccon that's called character Arc he learned from his
28:54
mistakes sure that's fine yeah I
28:58
mistake so um jumping to the very very end of the movie sure Ry has spent her
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whole life wanting to know who she is who her parents were what her last name
29:11
is she finally finds out and decides I
29:14
get a new one [ __ ] it yeah yeah now whose does she take let's see um I'll
29:21
take the name of the guy who i' never met and then went to an island to find
29:26
and he didn't really like me and taught me I'll take his last name that just
29:30
felt a little I mean they they showed Leia there but she'd never used the name
29:36
Skywalker yeah but if I but like if I was like oh I wouldn't mind a little bit
29:41
of celebrity I'll pick a f like if someone if I if I moved to another
29:45
country and no one knew who I was and I was all by myself some was like what's
29:48
your name and I was like Matt and they're like Matt who cuz that's what people
29:52
do I'd probably go Matt The Rock Johnson
29:59
cuz why not can you hold me in your arms
30:03
why not y y it's like might McFly telling everyone he's Clint Eastward
30:09
yeah exactly but yeah who the [ __ ] presses
30:13
you on your surname like that I get why devices M yeah I know but
30:20
like I was like come on twice in the same movie so I have to question like at
30:25
the end she goes to like twine to Luke's so Old Homestead it's still there no one's
30:31
moved in there's an old woman wanding by the middle of the [ __ ] desert yeah
30:37
she's like I've been squatting here what are you what's your surname what's your
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surname I'm asking everybody please please don't tell me it's l cuz I got
30:45
Squad right yeah that's right or Skywalker because for some reason the L
30:49
kid called himself the name of the [ __ ] big General guy that was looking
30:53
for him I really wish she had gone like they had that whole we she's like what's
30:58
your what Ray who and she looks over and she sees luk and Leia and it's like the
31:03
music swells she turns back and she goes Ray Palpatine yeah [ __ ] off and like
31:08
electrocutes her yeah yeah well here's the thing right if you were that old
31:13
woman and you came across like like you know what you knew was an abandoned
31:17
place and you saw some young girl Scavenging about and you were like hey
31:20
what's what's your name I just want to make sure you're meant to be here and
31:23
she goes and you're like [ __ ] Ray who you're smartass tell me your full
31:26
[ __ ] name and then and then for no reason she just turns
31:30
off and stares into the desert for like a good 30 seconds and then turns back
31:36
and says Skywalker You' be like don't
31:39
[ __ ] me what's [ __ ] off [ __ ]
31:44
palpa Palpatine yeah that Palpatine we don't talk about it yeah yeah we're
31:49
going to talk about granddad but I honestly I I was thinking about it
31:56
afterwards this whole thing is supposed to be like you've got three trilogies
32:01
now a Trilogy of trilogies yeah if the final one didn't involve like I know
32:08
what Ryan Johnson was trying to do bit from bits from the start but if it was
32:10
like oh we're going in a whole different direction like why do it now is not the
32:15
time to do that like you had to wrap up why it was such a weird thing confused
32:21
me how they didn't have this all planned and mapped out from the second they went
32:28
why okay we got to bring back Palpatine why because somehow this has to [ __ ]
32:31
book end all of this [ __ ] although let's yeah no no you're right because let's be
32:36
honest if again if we're taking George Lucas's [ __ ] reton plan his own one
32:43
for the prequels is that Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalker his rise
32:50
fall and then Redemption then we don't need the third Trilogy because the fact
32:56
that he was was a good boy he went bad and then in the end he redeemed himself
33:02
that's the end okay nothing they were really going to tie this all off and
33:06
just end it Ry should have died as well M she did die but no one's death
33:13
was actually earned more stuck with in
33:16
this even c3p oh yeah that was a cop out
33:21
that was absolute cop out he there I have two I have a new character who's
33:26
well I got two new character that that I love right bu oh yeah yeah bub freak is my new
33:33
favorite man [ __ ] baby to be damned
33:36
also I love Dio cuz he basically is my
33:40
dog yeah that's right exactly go to touch him he's like no thank you um yeah
33:47
that was great so yes what was my point I can't remember what my point was now
33:51
I'm distracted thinking about Bubba freck hey I that was the one scene that
33:56
I went what the [ __ ] when he rocked up in that [ __ ] yeah I was no oh but 3PO
34:02
was one of the best characters in this had some of the best like some of 3
34:06
Boo's best movie and I actually think I would have been stronger if it had have
34:10
been like memory wipe that's it I agree because actually no memory 3PO was
34:17
[ __ ] great yeah B freck my old friend but also does that [ __ ] wow
34:23
that was my first laser battle does oh you didn't say my name
34:28
sir but I'm fine that too and but then my favorite bit was where that bit where
34:32
they're all standing around and like [ __ ] the ship blows up and all that
34:35
kind of stuff and then they're all they're like a what do we do now and 3PO
34:38
is just staring off into the distance guess the location of el Palpatine lives
34:42
on only in my mind now like wait
34:46
what that's so good yeah he was great he was really really good but I think
34:51
you're right Luke I think that that would have been a much more powerful uh
34:57
sacrif for him to make if there hadn't been a
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ble days especially or it had been they didn't announce it that oh yeah the r2's
35:06
got it if that just that had become something that became apparent later CU
35:10
it was kind of like oh no r2's backups are no good uh no they are good it's
35:15
fine no they're fine they're fine yeah it's fine cuz how many fake outs were
35:18
there the first one was chewy yes well see the chewy one I forgive because I
35:24
actually really liked that scene with kylo Ren and Ray where she loses her
35:29
[ __ ] and zaps ship that was [ __ ] sick I agree but they should have stuck with
35:35
it yeah yeah like if you got [ __ ] have some balls you cowards just [ __ ]
35:40
just [ __ ] kill Chey for [ __ ] sake you didn't realize you were that [ __ ]
35:43
powerful and [ __ ] chew's dead yeah yeah learn a lesson from it and move on
35:49
yeah but yeah cuz I love that scene and then consequences yes yeah there weren't
35:54
a whole lot of them why that was a too [ __ ] chewy gets a middle middle
35:59
finger to George Lucas those years ago which that's all that was funny was
36:05
no need for that at all actually no it was handing him hans's
36:12
medal oh is that what it was I I'm thinking now yeah
36:18
maybe a nice moment unless she just it would have been nicer if they laid it on
36:22
his [ __ ] grave sorry I just got goosebumps that he just got hards medal
36:27
that makes me sad a also HB back yes
36:32
yeah that was a genuine surprise yeah I like that yeah I didn't know that was
36:36
going to happen yeah the the redo of the conversation from Force awakens there
36:41
was some good callbacks of force awakens actually I got to say a couple of things
36:45
that they call back to there was that there was um Ray getting to wear an
36:49
xwing Pilot's helmet actually for real this time instead of just yeah how she
36:54
used to play on yeah AG I like I like that um yeah some good stuff like that
37:01
but yeah no when came back to have that conversation I actually really like that
37:06
cuz remember there was no way that kylo could really come back he killed his
37:11
father and so I was trying to work out how they were going to make it that he
37:15
redeemed himself and having that internal conversation with his father I
37:20
think was a nice way to do it well I think from an audience's point of view
37:23
is the only way the audience would have accepted his uh transition because yes
37:27
if that didn't happen he was just like I'm good now we would have been like you
37:30
killed Han Solo [ __ ] you whereas Han Solo coming up and going I forgive him
37:35
you should too yep I wondered if they were you know maybe they wanted him to
37:42
have a conversation with Leia but they were like well can't have that now so
37:47
but they did have that nice moment where she distracted him yes that's that's
37:51
what I mean it all kind of fit together quite well I mean honestly with what he
37:55
had to to work with he did a [ __ ] amazing job I understand people are mad
38:00
about it but like [ __ ] man look here's the thing tid up that mess Jesus have
38:06
you seen critics are crucifying this movie I don't get it to be honest to be
38:11
honest I've not been I've not been paying attention to any I don't
38:14
understand the the the scores they gave Last Jedi though so I mean he's one not
38:19
saying they're wrong a jake kavanau who was in Mandalorian he's not going to be
38:25
working for Disney ever again yeah he came out after seeing it and what was it
38:31
um I'm in the Star Wars Universe now so surely I can't speak ill of episode 9
38:34
right wrong R Skywalker was head down the worst Star Wars movie had absolute
38:39
[ __ ] failure Jesus who's like like
38:43
who does he play in he was the Bounty Hunter that he sort of teams up with I
38:49
think wait the kid in episode 4 yeah the kid oh he was terrible who
38:56
cares he was terrible and he's come out and just lay this on I'm just like dude
39:01
you're just you're not getting hired ever again yeah yeah yeah yeah if you
39:05
were ever hoping your character would come back no
39:08
more because you can be critical yes but
39:11
not an Absolut [ __ ] failure yeah yeah meanwhile Mandalorian episode 7 you guys
39:18
you guys thumbs up for that one uh yeah I actually I like that one yeah that was
39:22
great I liked it too yeah it was great I'm upset there's only one more episode
39:26
I know but all all stuff that um that we were like oh this plot point just ended
39:30
this just ended this it's all back yeah that's I was I'm I was pleased about
39:35
that pleased to see Warner again same hey I offer you a
39:41
libation yeah that's yeah he's and then when was like open it up and they're
39:46
like he's sleeping but then he gets the call from the [ __ ] moop and he goes
39:50
over he's like yeah he's sleeping right now yeah he's
39:54
sleeping he has a baby yeah we I also didn't know that guy was an
39:59
ugn nickn yeah oh did they say in episode
40:05
one and I missed it he looks like one they might have well that he actually
40:09
calls him an ugn in this one yeah oh he does too yeah yeah yeah yeah he does
40:13
yeah I remember cuz he went to the Empire yeah I mean he's got his yeah that's
40:18
right against his will um I've got a
40:21
controversial point of view I um I hope
40:25
baby Yoda is not in the second SE season huh because the the the child is the
40:32
McGuffin of this of this season yeah and he's so popular that I just know they're
40:38
going to put him in the gang yeah but that's not that's not what he's there
40:43
for and I guarantee that's not what they were originally intending I I would be
40:47
surprised if they didn't actually plan to kill him yeah they're not going to
40:51
kill the [ __ ] baby oh they're going to kill him now I wish I wish he had
40:55
shown up in Rise of Skywalker yeah literally say my favorite part my
41:00
favorite part of episode seven was [ __ ] um KL weathers going he's trying to eat
41:05
me that's right oh but also they addressed one of the things people have
41:10
been talking about I mean this is spoils everybody a minor detail cuz people have
41:15
been saying hang on a minute Yoda was 900 baby Yoda's 50 like that doesn't work out he
41:21
shouldn't be such a [ __ ] baby but then they mention in this that he's like
41:27
mutated or something yeah interest yeah they do I I I I think I read somewhere
41:33
that um basically like they're an infinite like this until they're sort of
41:37
a 100 you read somewhere in an encyclopedia Wikipedia yeah or I dreamt
41:44
it no I think in this one they mentioned that he's an anomaly or something or
41:47
there's something wrong I can't remember the specifics of what they said but
41:49
there was a there was a a thing that addressed that his age is funny oh what
41:53
about uh we're doing spoilers aren't we yes aren't we oh fine Mandalorian episode 7
41:59
spoilers okay when he did the force choke yes oh yeah yeah yeah that was
42:05
that was awesome cuz that's sort of showing that he's not just good he's
42:10
well he's still trying to protect he's protecting Mand Dad yeah yeah and but
42:14
yet actually just goes straight to what is normally been themed Dark Side power
42:20
yes hey can I ask a question something occurred to me during rise of Skywalker
42:25
right okay the the baddies mhm they call their part of the
42:31
force of the dark side right yep what's the other part called the light no one's
42:38
ever said that I think hold
42:41
onen has what's the opposite the dark
42:46
side the light side where who said that
42:49
that in in the movies you mean I kylo Ren refers to only the movies I think
42:55
kylo Ren refers to says he feel the pull of the light in okay in can R return to
43:01
Jedi it's mentioned is it I think it is I mean
43:07
ites is the dark easier than the light do you see the light or does he just say
43:12
is it easier that's the thing I think they only mentioned the dark side and
43:16
then they just called the other bit the force interesting when no I think
43:23
he what does he say
43:29
I I I honestly think he also says it when he's trying to bring Vader back
43:34
like I felt the good in you
43:40
yeah I will research this and I we will come back next week follow up can we
43:46
talk about the lightsaber fights in this for a bit cuz I thought they were
43:49
[ __ ] great yeah so I say that again I tuned out trying to
43:53
Wikipedia the lightsaber fights in in Rise of Skywalker I thought there were
43:56
[ __ ] great I thought that fight with Ray and kylo we at the Old Death Star
44:01
was [ __ ] awesome the way they were that was great force pushing the
44:04
lightsabers away and there was that like weird like force I guess it was force
44:09
push so that the blade kind of was like bending a little bit that [ __ ] that
44:15
was cool man it was a cool fight yeah I like that there weren't a lot of them
44:19
and they weren't like doing back flips and [ __ ] no no [ __ ] it was very like
44:26
uh that was was progressing story at the same time
44:29
as the fight was happening yes yes which was always kind of what what happened in
44:35
the uh in the original trilogy original yeah well that was the problem with
44:39
episode 3 was we didn't need all that [ __ ] we just needed them yeah having a
44:43
sword fight on a hill surrounded by lava or something we didn't need a lot extra
44:48
[ __ ] ridiculous [ __ ] yeah cuz if you actually look at while a lot of that's
44:53
happening it's just stretching out the movie for no reason so I I've got a plan
44:57
right I I always you know I've always said [ __ ] leave stles alone don't go
45:01
back don't go back and fix things and don't no no more special editions yeah
45:06
but but I think they should do one more pass right at the entire
45:12
right yeah you delete Phantom manace just delete no need for it no need to
45:18
see Darth Vader as a kid delete true y don't need actually don't need it yeah
45:23
don't need it at all no you combine episodes two and three into
45:27
take the good parts just the good parts of both of them because there are there
45:30
are good parts of both of them yeah totally and um you cut all the bits
45:34
where he's a brat and you just kind of you just have it that they are good
45:37
friends and they were fighting side by side um and eventually he turned and you
45:42
have it because he was fearful of you know the death of his wife and all of
45:45
that stuff like that that's all good stuff that's all good story stuff so
45:49
that becomes episode one so then uh Star
45:52
Wars uh the A New Hope becomes episode two mhm and uh Empire Strikes Back
45:59
becomes episode three return to the Jedi fine we'll leave it in as intact is
46:05
episode yep then you have uh the
46:10
force can get away with sorry I missed one you include Rogue one Rogue one
46:15
watched that the other day Rogue one becomes great movie so it goes in there
46:19
as an official Star Wars Trilogy film followed by a New Hope right so Rogue
46:25
one one is episode two right episode yeah then then you have the
46:32
force awakens right then you split the
46:36
Last Jedi into two films and you put all of the good stuff from the four sorry
46:42
from the rise split the rise of Skywalker into two you the good
46:49
stuff half of the rise of Skywalker and then you have the the second movie the
46:55
final movie Just as the second half of that adding adding
46:59
all of that stuff up and I reckon you've got a pretty decent six films or whatever we're
47:04
to there is one thing I still don't like from the new Trilogy and including this
47:10
one is how hyperspace works I wish they could fix that because hyperspace
47:16
skipping thing that didn't go anywhere and I was like I was like this is kind
47:20
of weird like you know is space skipping just just randomly turning your light
47:24
speed on and off and well that's why without plotting a course first yeah but
47:30
they were like they were appearing in the atmosphere of various like Scenic
47:34
locations and I was like what the [ __ ] and that's why like that was weird ever
47:37
since like the force awakens the way hyperspace Works where it's basically
47:41
all right we're going and we're here it was like it's like being on the Star Tours
47:47
ride every other movie it's been sort of all right we're traveling here will be
47:51
there in a few days type of thing to show distance but now it's just and
47:56
we're here also that whole sequence they made it to the Outer Rim in this secret
48:01
SP maybe folding of time space rather than but the whole thing was kind of
48:05
unnecessary I thought this must come up later because this is such a uh this is
48:10
new this whole thing that the fact that poke can do this can just be like
48:14
[ __ ] Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam jumping between planets like they're going to
48:17
have to do this later I guess yeah and that that power comes back to the patter
48:21
movie I didn't like that initial opening part where it is jumping around
48:25
everywhere and cuz all that whole hyperspace skipping thing was to one
48:30
sort of joke where he goes I did hyperspace skipping where goes well
48:33
you're not meant to do that type of thing yeah that's all that led up to it
48:36
was so yeah it was really unnecessary yeah I agree with that maybe it was
48:40
something that they was in initially meant to be something when they were
48:43
hyperspace skipping to get to that's a good point the Sith Planet that's a good
48:47
point cuz the other thing you have to bear in mind with this film is that they
48:49
had [ __ ] all time to make it uh with with a ton of pressure and they did a
48:55
bunch of re-shoot before uh you know like months before release
48:59
cuz there was stuff in those spoilers that was different I swear cuz I know we
49:04
mentioned on the show before that I looked at a bunch of spoilers and then
49:08
Dan you were like hit hit me with them and some of the stuff I told you was
49:11
wrong I think and I didn't even tell you all of it and there were things I didn't
49:16
know like I did not know that Han was going to be in it so I think they did a
49:22
great job of keeping that secret yeah quiet like that's
49:28
speaking of Secrets why the [ __ ] does Maz Canada
49:34
have Luke Skywalkers
49:37
lightsaber that was I'm I imagine if JJ
49:42
had done all three that might have come up again but he didn't and it was one of
49:47
the I'm I'm sure that he had a list of things and he was like I got to let some
49:50
of these go cuz this movie is [ __ ] packed with his attempts Sal his
49:57
they shot themselves into their foot by having to have this as a Trilogy cuz
50:01
Star Wars is always a Trilogy yes there were two movies here and they could have
50:05
slowed down Luke you would have gotten your you know not so jumpy first First
50:11
Act yeah yes and they could have they could have explored a few more of those
50:15
things they could have explored hux as a spy they could have explored you know um
50:22
Ray Ray realizes she can control life and death you know they could have could
50:26
have held off on the reveal of the emperor a little more and they could
50:30
have had it that instead of just him basically group texting everyone reply
50:34
all I'm back it could have I'm coming to get he was back some people believed it
50:40
some people didn't believe it and funny with all of this this is the first time
50:45
I've seen a movie in a long time where I actually want to go start reading some
50:47
of the material around it to actually get a better understanding oh there'll
50:52
definitely be a book don't bother I'm sure it's a mess I think honestly I feel
50:58
like the best thing you can do is just just accept it and try not to worry
51:02
about it yeah what what why I wish I wish they had have just work out the
51:06
story to begin with had one person running with it and don't make it I I
51:11
understand why they did it the way they did because you know to build up hype
51:15
and all that kind of stuff but this should not have
51:17
been 78 and N this should have just been new [ __ ] and can we all agree please
51:23
every I I assume you guys agree with me that now if Disney wants to make more
51:27
Star Wars movies good please I enjoy them I would like to see more of them
51:32
[ __ ] nothing to do with this stuff right yeah nothing to do you don't need
51:36
to tie it in with anything just in the universe not even nothing to do with it
51:39
like this stuff can have happened but not these main characters I don't want
51:42
to see [ __ ] I don't want I don't want to see a Skywalker I don't want to see a
51:47
Palpatine I don't want to see no because let's be honest other than Ray the rest
51:52
of the kind of main Scooby gang in this were just incidental yeah like you know
51:58
it could have been any any pilot other than po it could have been any [ __ ]
52:02
ground like I like them too but i' watch I'd watch a television show I love the
52:07
fact that they basically all but said that speciic together now in a gay
52:12
relationship because they [ __ ] puddle next to each other when they're playing
52:15
chess which is just adorable well did you see Oscar Isaac
52:19
came out and said he would have liked that to have been the case I just
52:22
assumed it was the case you know did you see and that's what sort of Finn was
52:25
trying to tell hey by the way this guy now oh yeah do
52:29
we want to talk about the [ __ ] secret that never gets shared the what but Finn
52:35
was gonna tell Ray something just before and then nothing no but you know what it
52:40
they've come out and said and both JJ abs and John Bo come out and said that
52:44
he was going to tell her that he was force sensitive and yeah which is dumb
52:50
well it's not dumb except I mean if it had actually been in the film that could
52:55
have been quite good because it was a good fake out for like a romance thing
52:59
except it wasn't in the film so it does just look like he wants to tell her he's
53:03
in love with her yeah except I didn't read into that I was like what the
53:06
[ __ ] like he's going he loves her I'm like yeah what no cuz I bit where
53:11
they're in the cave and then and then Po's like what something you'll tell her
53:13
when Po's not around and yeah yeah no no but I thought that whole thing was
53:17
hilarious but I never assumed it was going to be [ __ ] that he [ __ ] had
53:21
feelings for her well that's what everybody s seemed to think that yeah but
53:26
my head but I feel like it could have been yeah if he was going to tell her
53:31
that he oh I can feel the force well have a bit where he tells her at the end
53:35
and then it's kind of like oh all thought he was going to tell her he
53:38
loved her and then he didn't but they just didn't go anywhere yeah yeah it's
53:42
weird to have that in there if you're not going to have the conclusion to that
53:46
oh other than the the bits were funny with like you know that gag with po was
53:51
good and all that kind of stuff and then maybe the payoff ended up not being that
53:54
good and so they took it out I don't know maybe there'll be maybe yeah
53:59
although you know what they should do now I would love for them to just be
54:02
like [ __ ] it Ryan Johnson episode 10 and he he just [ __ ] Recons
54:08
everything so you have you have po finally go up to R and go I'm Force
54:12
sensitive and then you have that little [ __ ] stable boy from the end of The
54:16
Last Jedi going yeah dude anyone can use the Force Special check this out and
54:21
then he beats him to death with a broom yeah and they ride off on a horse
54:26
can we talk about can we talk about the lesbian kiss that was like [ __ ] two
54:32
seconds long pering blink did I blink and miss a lesbian kiss wait a minute
54:38
wait a minute because I I have a theory where where did you see this film what country
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what Singapore so maybe it was car yeah
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yeah so there is there is a okay so this has been a thing on Twitter as well
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there is for what like half a second
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uh a very well it is and it isn't because I was like what the [ __ ] that
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was so Random there is literally a shot
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that cuts to um it's it's it's a character that you you would recognize
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she's like been around in in the movies it's one of the female crew who's she's
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in the resistance I don't know who she is woman what uh she's like like a blond
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curlyhair woman anyway okay you'd recog V Sora she she starts make like kissing
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another woman and then like and then it just cuts away and and while everyone's
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celebrating and hugging and kissing and stuff yeah but then there's like there's
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like shots of of like all the important people and it's just this one shot of
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just them with nobody important so that it was almost like cut here cut here
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pull together and distribute in China yeah
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like yeah yeah and people are like what the [ __ ] was that scene that little that little
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shot it was just super unnecessary to me it's one of those things because people
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are still talking about it that's why it needs to happen chick's making out in Star Wars
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yeah yeah to me like if if it had just been a guy and a girl kiss we probably wouldn't
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be talking about well actually I disagree and here's here's my
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proof I didn't think in any of the films leading up to this that there was any
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indication that kylo and Ry were romantically involved I thought they
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were more like a brother and sister or like joined by the force when they
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kissed I was like oh I didn't think they needed a kiss but I there was there was
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something going on I actually thought because there was such a long pause
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before they actually kissed that I was like good they're not going to they're
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just having a moment they what cuz if you look at the end of
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like Rogue one they didn't make them kiss or anything that was just make
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they're gonna die Gareth Ed was
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like all right you ex exactly [ __ ] you can you can have two [ __ ]
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characters male and female who go on adventures together and don't fall in
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love that can really happen yeah I didn't feel like they I
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don't know that wasn't earned Jenna said that her and Jordan were both talking
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afterwards about how during the lightsaber fight that it was there was a
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lot of sexual tension between them and I was like really I guess we're just too
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[ __ ] we're too [ __ ] to notice I guess because apparently they were both
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apparently they were both like oh get a room like during that lightsaber fight
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and I think that and the kiss is Just people wanting to see it's just no way
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no they weren't oh my God for stter she kissed him and then just watched him die
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knowing she could rep that's right see you later oh thanks yeah
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maybe that's what it was she was like why isn't he just dying oh he wants me
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to kiss him well no one's going to know why not just do
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it good he's gone now literally disaar if you and I if you and I were alone and
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I was dying would you just be like [ __ ] it no one's going to know what's Dan
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looking at me like he's going to tell anyone why is Dan looking at me like
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that does he want me to well I guess it doesn't really matter what he wants at
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this point he's not like he can sto me I'm like the [ __ ] is he kissing me I'm
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like thank going to give me m to mouth
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oh God I might die of embarrassment oh I
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have great movie yeah pretty good movie I liked all
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the uh here's a thing even with the things that I don't like and there are a
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couple and but uh I still liked it I still really enjoyed it and I still
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really want to see it again yeah yeah fasma turned out to be bag of nothing I
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think jamanji comes out boxing day so I'll go see Star
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Wars yeah so you know you'll be the only one in the in the cinema well I don't
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like going to the movies and sitting with people yeah Fair turn your phones
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off people because of Ryan Johnson what he
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did stop sitting next to me yeah you're like finding a seat
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you're like this ah there's nowh to sit you look up and there's one seat right
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in the middle and then you look up Ryan Johnson's like patting the seat like
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come over here and you're oh you thought there were no seats but I subverted that too
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yeah yes popcorn on his lap oh yep you thought my dick was going to be in there
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it's not it's inside here yeah it's all it's already in your
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