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Patriots Unfiltered 8/3: Takeaways from Week 2 of Training Camp, Biggest Standouts, Under the Radar Players to Watch · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: The World's a Pigeon podcasts Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. But
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  Speaker 1: they were back at it today. They're supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: around noon, but they changed it yesterday to a morning practice.
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  Speaker 3: Get it out drill.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, so here's the thing they haven't really executed.
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  Speaker 4: You know, an intermediate to deep passing game.
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  Speaker 3: Which is you know, and that's where you know chick
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  Speaker 3: stick the deep ball.
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  Speaker 1: Thursday here at Jillette Stadium, day eight of practices, and
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  Speaker 1: it's Paul, it's myself will be joining us, Evan will
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  Speaker 1: be joining us. And I would say the practices of
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  Speaker 1: late Paul have been offensive, and I mean that in
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  Speaker 1: a good way. Ye.
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  Speaker 3: The best thing for me is, you know, we went
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  Speaker 3: sort of like tongue in cheek a little bit in
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  Speaker 3: recent years, but back to back days in pads get
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  Speaker 3: a chance to get a little more physicality to it.
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  Speaker 3: I think the pass protection has been an issue kind
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  Speaker 3: of understandable given all the backups that are out there
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  Speaker 3: with the offensive line, but I would totally agree offensively,
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  Speaker 3: they've had more signs of life, especially yesterday. But I
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  Speaker 3: thought they continued some of that a little bit today,
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  Speaker 3: working on some situational football, moving the ball down the
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  Speaker 3: field and then in various spots in the high and
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  Speaker 3: low red zone. It looks to me like mac Jones,
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  Speaker 3: maybe he's taken your advice, Freddy. Not always, but more often,
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  Speaker 3: the ball seems to be coming out on time.
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  Speaker 1: It seems to be coming out on time. I saw
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  Speaker 1: yesterday's practice, I watched. I only saw the end of
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  Speaker 1: today's practice when they were doing their two minute drills, and.
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  Speaker 3: That was that was different. That was designed for completions, right.
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  Speaker 1: But it looked good. I mean, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: if the defense was really you know, challenge.
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  Speaker 3: It was definitely a faster pace than what they did yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: And he looked good and he he felt good. And
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  Speaker 1: you could tell from Max's body language. He was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: dancing around, running off the field when they were getting
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  Speaker 1: the field goal squad on, you know, kind of really
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  Speaker 1: really excited.
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  Speaker 3: And I liked it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I do you know, he'll speak for himself.
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  Speaker 1: I know I was up there with him. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: like it. I like Mac being excited and running off and.
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  Speaker 3: Just didn't like the the sprinting off the field. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I would agree, Why because what are we doing? Well,
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  Speaker 3: We're taking it. We taking it seriously.
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  Speaker 1: Like you how to get the field goal?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like breaking the tape at the side, Like,
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  Speaker 3: I know it's a whole I know it's practice, but it.
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  Speaker 1: Was you know, you had no time left. You had
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  Speaker 1: to get the field goal. There was no timeouts. You know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody on offense had to sprint off. And so he
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  Speaker 1: was having fun with it, but he was Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: was born in coverage. I liked.
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  Speaker 3: I was born in coverage by the stuff that happened.
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  Speaker 3: And and I'm not this is not a shot at
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  Speaker 3: you because you didn't. You said you didn't see it.
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  Speaker 3: You only saw the very end of practice, right, so
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  Speaker 3: this wasn't meant to be taken that, you know, away
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  Speaker 3: from what you just said. They had several periods of
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  Speaker 3: eleven on eleven today. Interesting that I felt the first
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  Speaker 3: couple of sets they had Mac with what you would
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  Speaker 3: consider the starting offensive line, which is, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of patchwork.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is not one right now.
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  Speaker 3: He had the second receivers. He was working with Trey Nixon,
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  Speaker 3: the Mario Douglas and Kayshawn Boudi, and one of the
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  Speaker 3: best His best completion of camp came on a deep
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  Speaker 3: over route toward the sideline to Nixon. Beautiful you know,
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  Speaker 3: catch and throw. Dropped it in between Christian Gonzales and
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  Speaker 3: Jabrill Peppers in coverage, a really nice throw, probably about
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  Speaker 3: a thirty thirty five yard gain, and then Bailey Zappi
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  Speaker 3: got a chance to operate with the second offensive line,
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  Speaker 3: but with DeVante Parker, Jujus Smith, Schuster and Kendrick Bourne Born.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, I think the last couple of days,
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  Speaker 3: Freddy is coming on.
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  Speaker 1: Alain, Yeah, he's looked pretty good. Thornton hasn't been participating again,
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  Speaker 1: he's down conditioning. Is that an opening for Trey Nixon?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that.
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  Speaker 1: Who else is an outside guy? Well, yeah, I guess Hopkins.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not Hopkins. I wish park I get Parker is
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  Speaker 1: but he's not a Parker A starter. Yeah, but he's
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  Speaker 1: but he's not a birth I'm talking about it. Does
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  Speaker 1: he have an opening to be an outside guy because
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  Speaker 1: you know what a deep threat Nixon?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's his game. But they I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think he has a chance to maybe find a
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  Speaker 3: roster spot if if Thornton's going to be not ready
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  Speaker 3: to go at the start of the year or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on with him. He was
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  Speaker 3: slowed in the spring. I think reports had a soft tissue.
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  Speaker 3: Injury burners. Those are not good, you know, hamstring squads whatnot,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for guys that run like that or those
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  Speaker 3: those are tough to kick. So yeah, I think Nixon, Douglas,
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  Speaker 3: those guys have opportunities to get roster spots because they're
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  Speaker 3: getting more opportunities to play.
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  Speaker 1: Pop almost is a locke at this point. And we
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  Speaker 1: had Julian Edelman here watching practice today, and I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: if they said, hey, Julian, can you come look at
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  Speaker 1: this guy and see what you think if you could
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  Speaker 1: as a future as a slot receiver. Wonder if they're
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  Speaker 1: asking his opinion on Pop Douglas, what.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think the answer to that? I have no idea,
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  Speaker 3: Like obviously I'm full disclosure, I have no idea, But
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  Speaker 3: what do you think that would be? Like Bill Belichick,
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  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick asked somebody else's like, what do you what
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  Speaker 3: do you think.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't have to be Bill Belichick, could be
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  Speaker 1: Troy Brown asking, it could be you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, yeah, I don't don't see that. Okay, I mean, like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not I'm not poo pooing.
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  Speaker 1: You don't get mad.
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  Speaker 3: He was here, Yeah, yeah, Jules was here. I think
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  Speaker 3: he looked like he talked to the team at the
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  Speaker 3: end of practice. You know that we had a lot
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  Speaker 3: of rookies talk today, so people were asking him about
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  Speaker 3: that conversation, the rookies doing what rookies are supposed to do.
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  Speaker 3: They stayed away from that. They didn't really get into
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  Speaker 3: what the message was from Julian Edelman. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not telling you you're wrong. Maybe Bill, did you know,
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  Speaker 3: sort of give him a call. Hey, you're in the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, while you're here, I'm curious, what are
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  Speaker 3: your thoughts on this?
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  Speaker 1: Julian said to the rookies, you're too young.
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  Speaker 3: You're too young, so you have to repeat that. One
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  Speaker 3: Mike gets back that's good, but another good day. I
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  Speaker 3: think overall, like and you look at it two ways,
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  Speaker 3: and we all do the same thing. Like the defense
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  Speaker 3: has played really well, for the most part, and no
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  Speaker 3: one says, well, good days the defense has played well,
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  Speaker 3: but no one says that, like when the offense makes
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  Speaker 3: some plays, it's good day to day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what we're worried. We're more worried about the offense.
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  Speaker 3: But now there were some uh, there's some some signs.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting Fred that they're tackling, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like that little ball carrying drill they do. Yeah, it's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you get a guy in space and you
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  Speaker 3: got to sort of, you know, get get in position
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  Speaker 3: where you would be able to tackle.
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  Speaker 1: There's pylons, you gotta be you gotta.
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  Speaker 3: Stay stay with the constricted area, confined area, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: you you you just tap him on the hip. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I had them, I was in position. They were actually
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  Speaker 3: tackling to the ground on those plays. Today.
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  Speaker 1: To me, you got to do that before your first
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  Speaker 1: preseason game.
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  Speaker 3: My wonder is is if Bill has looked at it
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  Speaker 3: the last couple of years, the whole like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: extension of the preseason nonsense, I know, and maybe he
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  Speaker 3: looks and says, you know, we're just not ready to
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  Speaker 3: go at the start of the season. So we got
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  Speaker 3: to step this up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I would say, you want to
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  Speaker 1: get something tackling in before the joint practices. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want the first time you're tackling to be
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  Speaker 1: full speed and you know, against another team.
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  Speaker 3: But they never tackle really in joint practices either. No,
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  Speaker 3: but that's why. And I'll be curious Evan just joined us.
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  Speaker 3: I'd be curious to get your thoughts because I didn't
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  Speaker 3: get a chance to talk to you after practice. Just
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  Speaker 3: like I thought yesterday, there was more than a handful
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  Speaker 3: of times with the guy who caught the ball or
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  Speaker 3: ended up with the ball and met up on the ground.
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  Speaker 3: Today it was clearly we're tackling today, Like there was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of tackling today. I just thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was interesting. They did a drill
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  Speaker 5: too at one point where they were tackling to the ground.
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  Speaker 5: I was just talking about, Yeah, I don't didn't recall
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  Speaker 5: seeing that often.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, I'm not saying I never saw it,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't remember the last time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely happens here or there that they they
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  Speaker 5: do it. They obviously have to practice tackling at some point,
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  Speaker 5: but it doesn't happen very often. And I think on
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  Speaker 5: top of that, Christian Gonzales laid out Rolly Webb, you know,
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  Speaker 5: And I don't mean it like he was trying to
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  Speaker 5: hurt him.
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  Speaker 3: He took his legs right out. Really good tackle for lost. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and I.
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  Speaker 5: Don't necessarily remember seeing that. Now Christian Salace is a rookie,
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  Speaker 5: so maybe it was one of those situations. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's a good point. I don't I think there's always
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  Speaker 5: one or two practices, and then certainly the the call
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  Speaker 5: it the third team guys that are really fighting to
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  Speaker 5: make the roster. Those guys often that period of eleven
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  Speaker 5: on eleven's will be live tackling because you have guys
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  Speaker 5: out there that are just trying to make a team
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  Speaker 5: in the NFL, and it's not Juju Smith Schuster that
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  Speaker 5: they're tackling no offense to some of the depth of receivers.
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  Speaker 5: So I think that that's always been a thing. But
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  Speaker 5: the frontline guys getting tackled, that's a different story.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday they had some goal line where they were pretty
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  Speaker 1: much that was Yeah, that was flat out live.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the goal line was live yesterday. Yeah, but even
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  Speaker 3: there was a play today one of the first plays
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  Speaker 3: of team. You know, Matt Soko caught a little hook pass.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as he caught it, Bentley pop the ball
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  Speaker 3: right out. Then it was like a mad scramble for
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  Speaker 3: the ball and it was like no holds barred, like
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  Speaker 3: it was live. It was a live fumble now that
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  Speaker 3: they could probably would have been ruled an incomplete pass
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  Speaker 3: in a game because it was immediate. Great play by Bentley.
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  Speaker 3: Just stuff that you don't always see. Again, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying you never see it, but you don't see it frequently.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing for me. I
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  Speaker 5: don't want to get too crazy about how good it
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  Speaker 5: looks for a couple of practices, but the competitiveness with
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  Speaker 5: this back and forth, it reminds you of what it
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  Speaker 5: looked like when they were winning twelve games every year. Right,
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  Speaker 5: It's just it's a back and forth now, it's not
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  Speaker 5: a boy like the offense looks like a mess and
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  Speaker 5: they have a lot of their own problems to worry about.
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  Speaker 5: When they get into eleven on eleven, the defense makes plays,
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  Speaker 5: the offense makes plays, and they truly go back and forth,
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  Speaker 5: which is what you want to see. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 5: what Max said after practice is that this is what
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  Speaker 5: it should look like.
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  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 5: One side's broken in the other side is just trying and.
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  Speaker 1: We're telling you like we see it.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we've been critical last week early this week
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  Speaker 1: about how the offense has been doing, but you have
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  Speaker 1: to be honest right now and an objective. They they're
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  Speaker 1: doing better. They're doing better for whatever given sorry, for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, they look better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Evan makes a good point about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the offense because to me, the biggest thing that's changed
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  Speaker 3: is the energy level with with with everybody. And I
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  Speaker 3: think even the defense had sort of gotten in a
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  Speaker 3: rut like you know, yeah, we shut them down, but
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  Speaker 3: they're struggling. They're clearly they're they're searching, they're finding it.
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  Speaker 3: And then yesterday the offense was doing all the talking.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought, you know, like that play that that
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  Speaker 3: Evan mentions with Gonzales, that drew a real big reaction
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  Speaker 3: from the defensive players and they got into it and
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  Speaker 3: you could see that, you know, the energy rise a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, and you know it is many plays. It's
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  Speaker 3: much more frequent that Mac is finding guys now than
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  Speaker 3: than earlier. In camp the last two days, but you
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  Speaker 3: do take it with a grain of salt because of
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  Speaker 3: that pass protection kind of stuff. And when you when
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  Speaker 3: you're missing a when you in Trent Brown and Cole Strange,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna have pass protection issues. I mean, sorry, that's
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  Speaker 3: going to happen. So you want to sort of temper
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  Speaker 3: it while being enthusiastic about some of the different things
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing.
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  Speaker 1: We should talk about attendance over the last couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: Some noticeable people not really participating or just out just out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Trent Brown and Matthew Judon are out there every day.
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  Speaker 3: They go down to the lower field. For the most part,
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  Speaker 3: Trent Brown hasn't taken a rep in full pads yet,
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  Speaker 3: not not a single one. Judeon really has been a
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  Speaker 3: spectator for the most part. You know, time Montgomery has
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  Speaker 3: now missed six days in a row. You know, Montgomery
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  Speaker 3: and Cole Strange haven't been around the last couple of days.
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  Speaker 3: But it was good to see them come back late
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  Speaker 3: in practice. They came on the field helmets and he
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  Speaker 3: and clearly had done some rehab work somewhere that we
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  Speaker 3: weren't privy to. But maybe they're getting a little closer
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  Speaker 3: than coming back, but they are, you know, the offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: Until you get some of these pieces together, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're dealing with a couple of rookies and Mafi and
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  Speaker 3: you're dealing with the second year guy with Cody Russeying.
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  Speaker 1: The only right Andrew that's it everything, the only.
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  Speaker 3: Out of what was seeing every day. He's the only
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  Speaker 3: guy without a question.
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  Speaker 1: Now, when Strange comes back, yeah he'll, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: right now, at this moment, David Andrews is the only
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  Speaker 1: healthy starter.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's tough because I have preconceived concerns, you know,
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  Speaker 5: prior concerns about the offensive line, but we haven't seen
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  Speaker 5: the offensive line out there. So I can't even be
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  Speaker 5: concerned or not concerned anymore because we just haven't seen
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  Speaker 5: the guys out there. So I think a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people are getting a lot of reports and tweets that
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  Speaker 5: they're reading, you know, fans are reading these things that
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  Speaker 5: we're writing and stuff and hearing a lot about how
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  Speaker 5: bad the protection has been and how the offense. But
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  Speaker 5: this isn't the offensive line, right, This isn't the group
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  Speaker 5: that they're going to be hopefully going against the Eagles
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  Speaker 5: in Week one in a month, so.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not good for continuity's sake to have no out.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with that.
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  Speaker 5: I think that that's been a concern since they brought
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  Speaker 5: the put the pads on. I think Antonio Maffi has
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  Speaker 5: looked pretty solid in padded practices, which is I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he's a big guy, so you would expect him to
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  Speaker 5: do that. And Riley Reef looks a lot better in
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  Speaker 5: the positional drills like the one on ones and then
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  Speaker 5: that leverage drill that they do where they set the
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  Speaker 5: edge drill. But then they get into team and when
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  Speaker 5: he's asked to move his feet, it becomes a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more inconsistent. But it's interesting how every single time
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  Speaker 5: he's just asked to move a guy that's in front
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  Speaker 5: of him, he can do that. When he has to
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  Speaker 5: get out on an island and really move his feet,
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  Speaker 5: that's when it can get a little bit inconsistent. So
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  Speaker 5: I feel like Reef has been better that they've put
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  Speaker 5: the pads on. Mafia I certainly think has been better
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  Speaker 5: since they put the pads on. But at this point,
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  Speaker 5: you're evaluating these guys because you think they're going to
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  Speaker 5: be depth. You're not thinking about any of these guys
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: necessarily starting, besides maybe Reef and even him. I feel like,
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: ideally you have Brown and McDermott start the season at
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: the two tackle spots, and Reef is more of a
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: swing at this stage of his career. But it was
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: a problem coming in and it still remains a question mark,
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: especially at tackle, and I think it's a really fair
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: second guess of how they approach the offseason to not
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: get somebody with a little bit higher upside at the
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: tackle position outside of Trent.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: We mentioned Gonzales making a play on a tackle earlier.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: He's been flashing. He's doing okay.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, And I also want to get Evan's
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: thoughts on this too, because I thought coverage wise, it's
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: kind of giving up more plays than he was early
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: in camp he was just lights out. Yeah, I think
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: the last couple of days, especially today, I thought this
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: some plays that he's been involved in, and I wonder
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: if there's some zone stuff like the deep over to
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Troy Nixon look that goes between him and Peppers. Maybe
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: he like passed him off to Peppers and maybe Peppers
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: was late getting over the top. But he's been involved
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: with more completions lately than we saw the first five
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: six days.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that the best way to put it
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: is to temper expectations and remember that he is just
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: a rookie. I think he's going to give up some
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: plays this year. And that's not to say that I
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: think he's a bad player, because everybody knows how high
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: I am on Christian Gonzales. But every rookie gives up
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: plays like that, You're not going to go out in
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: the league and completely shut down guys year one. That
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: really doesn't happen all that often, especially the way the
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: game is played now. I look at a guy like
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: like Trayvon Diggs is one of the best corners in
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: the league. He gave up like eight hundred yards and
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: coverage his rookie season. You know that's gonna happen for
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: some of these guys. I think the one thing with
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Gonzalez that I've noticed is just He's going up against
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Parker a lot, and Parker's not going to run by him.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: He runs a low four three. Parker's not going to
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: run by him. And so the one thing that I
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: would like to see Gonzalez do a little bit more
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: is sit on some of the shorter stuff, the comebacks,
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: the outs, things like that, you know they hit Parker
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: on and out in that two minute period at the
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: end of practice, that that should be a play that
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Gonzales over time is going to be able to be
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: all over because he shouldn't be worried about DeVante Parker
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: running by them. So I think interesting, I think that's
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: some of the things that he'll he'll figure out his
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: anticipation and what, Okay, what can I what can I
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: just not worry about?
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: And what what do I have?
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: What routes on the routree do I have to be
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: sitting on and and need to think about here? And
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: that sort of thing I think comes with practice repetitions obviously,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: but I think even more so meeting rooms and film
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: and like that sort of thing. So when they get
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: into week one and it's a J. Brown and Devant
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: whoever he has, he's going to be thinking to himself,
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: these are the three routes that I need to cover
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: because I have help over here and I know he's
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: not gonna beat me over there, and that sort of thing.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: And those are the things that the great corners do.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: That's like well corner cut corners.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, that's good.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, Gilmour used to talk about it all the
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: time that with this system, especially in man coverage, if
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: you have help to the middle of the field, I'm
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: not gonna worry about the post because I have a
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: safety that's that's sitting on the post. So I'm gonna
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: worry about things underneath me and things over the top,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: you know, in terms of the outside stuff. So he'll
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: get there and.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Then you don't get the help and it's palms up
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: after the play.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Well, so the other part of that that that's interesting
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: that Evan talked about. Like so that was during the
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: late two minute drill Fred that you watched and there
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: were like two I think it was like three outs
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: that Parker caught a couple of mon gonzales. But you
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: don't you don't know when you watch it. You can
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: just say, oh, geez, you know he's not gonna run
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: buy him. What are you doing? You give him too
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: much cushion. But you don't know is if there's a
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: situation that Belichick is sort of created, right, I mean,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: that could have been a TD. Don't give up a
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: TD exactly. You know, you know we're up for they
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: need a touchdown. There's only thirty seconds left. They got
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: no timeouts. We'll give them all the ELTs they want, right,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you know, we just can't give up a chunk play. Yeah,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to make excuses now. I don't know.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the situation is. They did a
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: lot of second and third down stuff today during the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: regular team periods when they had the two minute drill.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Who knows, you know, if it was scripted, you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: So I don't want to make it sound like I'm saying, oh,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: you know, Paul's the only one that's not high on
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: the first round pick. No. I mean I wrote something
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: over the weekend. I've been incredibly impressed with his his
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: just sort of toughness, his physicality, and just every play
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: like he's where he's supposed to be. He's he's in position.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: He's given up more catches lately. I thought the one
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: that may have been OPI yesterday with Parker, and then
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: today there was a similar kind of situation with Bourne,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: only there was no contact. Look like he kind of
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: slipped and lost his footing as.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: The ball came yeah along the sideline.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I think it was a play from like the eighteen
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: they got it down like at the two. Nice another
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: nice connection from Mac. Yeah, a beautiful throat to Kendrick
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Bourne just outside the pylon.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And he's also on a few plays recognized things early
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: like screens and he's flashed in the black.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: That's where he made that play and the tackle for loss.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was like a yeah, he was like
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: a missile on that point.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: I have no concerns about him and man coverage because
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: he's just so darn smooth that once they figure out
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: the anticipation and some of the different things that they're
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: going to coach him up on that his movement skills
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: are just off the charts, so he's going to be
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: able to cover people in man. But he did have
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: some issues in college and zone with getting high loaded,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: losing guys in zone like things like that, and almost
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: like covering grass instead of actually covering somebody in particular.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: And that's something that a lot of the draft knicks
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: said was a little bit of a knock in terms
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: of the film. So I think that's some of the things.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Like with the Kendrick Bourne play, he's got somebody in
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: the flat, then he's got the corner route filling in
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: over the top and he kind of gets stuck in between.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: And that's something that I think they'll figure out over
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: the course of time with the distribution. But is that's
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: one of the things that from a football perspective, you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: hear all about this stuff about like his attitude and
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: his demeanor and things like that. I think all that
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: is was way way overblown. But from a football perspective,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: he was definitely better in man coverage than in zone
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: coverage in college.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: A little bit of a situation today with Jack Jones
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: on a play where I don't know if he was
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: trash talking Kendrick Bourne.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what happened. It looked like he
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: dove and prevented a catch to Bourne near the sideline,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: and then they got up and there was a lot
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: of people in between. It looked like he may have
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: been celebrating the play and maybe he got a little
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: over zealous, maybe he got in Bourne's face or something,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: and it looked like he was sent off the field.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And now I didn't physically see Bill Belichick go over
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: and tell him to leave, But my guess is that's
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: what happened, because I don't think anybody else would have
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: the juice to send a player off, and then he
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: left for about twenty twenty five minutes, came back and
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: as he left, Pepper's sort of walked him almost all
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the way to the top of the stairs, arm around him,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: clearly trying to do some mentoring. And when he came back,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: he was on a knee by himself, separated from the
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: whole team. Matt grow came over and talked to him
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: for a little while. Jalen Mills came over and spent
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: some time with him, but he didn't do anything with
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: the team the rest of the way until practice was
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: over and they were cooling down.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: When he came back, he was still in pads and everything.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I thought I didn't see exactly how it escalated,
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: but I hate to speculate because we don't know. You know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: some people were speculating that maybe he was kicked out
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: of practice. I don't know exactly what happened, but he
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: came late to practice.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, but he's just so you know, he came around
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the same time he comes every day. Now, maybe that's
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: been an issue. Yeah, he's one of the last ones
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: out every day, so he's.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: A little late to practice. And then about whatever that
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: was halfway through wherever that was. All of a sudden,
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: we see him walking off the field like he got
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: kicked out.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: It was about ten twenty that he that he left
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: and he came back at about ten forty five.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Well, he has to go through security, so it takes
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: him longer.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's not what we're looking for. That's not
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: what we're looking for from the boss. All right, okay,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: all right, and you don't need to encourage you soon
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: too soon?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, O, can you make those jokes? Yeah, but really,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to me, the story's mac. He's looking better both on
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the field and just body language. Spend some time talking
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: with Bill today, So all you people that you know
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: they're not talking, they were talking today and it would look,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you know, in a positive way. So you know, put
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: away your pens and and you know, for a couple
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of days you can't say that they're not getting along.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: They are, So that that's good, that's good news those conversations. No,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: but you could you know what Bill is like.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: He also walked it up the stairs with Bill O'Brien
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: and I love that. I don't know, I'm a sucker
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: for that kind of stuff.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I've seen him with Bill O'Brian a lot.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Because when he you know, just remembering like McDaniel's his
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: rookie season, McDaniels just attached to the attached to the hip.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: They would walk into practice together, and they're not when
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: they're chatting, they're not chatting about like you know, where
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: they went out to dinner last night. They're talking ball.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Like there you can tell that they're talking about something
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: that they were probably just talking about in you know,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: a pre practice meeting or something like that, and and
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: now they're continuing the conversation. So I think, you know, look,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I was critical of Mac on Tuesday because, unlike some
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: of my colleagues, I have a pretty high standard for
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: the quarterback. Yeah, shots fired, I have a pretty I
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: have a pretty high standard for the quarterback. I'm not
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: gonna baby him like, I'm not gonna go out there
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: and you make a couple of dinks and dunks and
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: oh a great practice, Like, I'm not going to do that.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: The last couple of days, he's pushing the ball down
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: the field more. Yesterday was one of his best practices
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: I've seen him have since probably maybe ever honestly in
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: training camp.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: And it just looks.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: You can tell that a lot of the players are
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: hitting the way that they're drawn up on the whiteboard,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: like exactly how they look in the playbook, the timing,
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: the receivers, you know, all of it coming together, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: that's really what's been encouraging. And I think Juju kind
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: of laid it out really well yesterday when he said
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: that they've been installing this entire time, and this week
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: they started repeating plays and now what you're seeing is
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: not they're mastering the plays that they've already installed. And
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: I think that's a really encouraging thing as well. So
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: a couple of good downfield throws today wasn't as good
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: as yesterday. A couple guys, you know, interception and one
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: pass break up.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: He's been accurate on the sideline passes too, and those
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: are tougher passes than they look, because if you're throwing
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: from the middle of the hash, if the ball is
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: only like six yards downfield, it's twenty five yards across
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the field. Uh, you know, so it's a long pass.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Takes a while to get there. So you know he
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: throws them.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you have to be at one's coming.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: You couldn't have me just be Johnny Sunshine.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: You have to be out the hold with those and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you know, only put it in a place where your
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: receiver has a chance. And I think he's been good
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: You know better, I think. And to me, I don't
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: know if it's necessarily that the the arm strength has improved.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I think the anticipation has improved, and that comes from
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: being in an offense that makes sense and an offense
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: that that's that's good.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: It's just that like they did, they threw a ton
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: of outs today, all three quarterbacks. There was one toward
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: the end. You know, they did that staggered red zone stuff.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: They started high red zone worked their way. It's like
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: eighteen thirteen eight you know whatever. That's a dry trace. Well, no,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: it's a situation. It's a it's a scripted situation. They
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: put the ball.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: At a yard line, right, it's a drive, Yeah, go ahead.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: No, it's not a dry because if the play is incomplete,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: it goes to the four yard line. The next place, well,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: a drive would be we have to complete a pass
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: to get it to the four. So I just want
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: to make sure that the listeners understand what actually happened,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: not what you call it. Anyway, Trace mcsulely threw one
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: to Rally Webb on and out. He threw it like
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: a good two seconds before Web got out of the
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: break perfect. It was like, how can they do it
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: like that? But they just but they have to do
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: they just can't repeat it. No, But I mean like
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: he clearly has the ability to do it. But if
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: you've watched mcsulely throw camp, I keep calling him nuklear loose.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: He's going to hit the bull every other throw. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: that throw looked like like Brady would have been jealous
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: of it. The timing in the placement of that pass.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: And again it's Trace mcsolely to Rally Webb on play
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: like one hundred and six today. I don't want to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: make too much of it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Trace McSorley has got some arm talent, like I throw
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: it with special I didn't know that about him because
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: I always you know, the the the script on Trace
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: mcswil is not very positive, right, you know his time
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: at Penn State, like all of it is not.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: It was almost a runner exclusively at Penn State.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is not a very positive scouting report. But
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: he's made I don't want to say this because I
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: think people. I'm gonna say it anyways, but like his
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: his arm might be the best out of three guys.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Like he can really put some some steam on the ball.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: But it's just like Paul said it, you don't know
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: where it's going.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Speaking of running quarterbacks, the name we have not heard,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: or at least I haven't in a while is Malie Cunningham.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it totally disappeared. Yeah, I think even I don't
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: think he's had a single catch that's been notable in
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: team drills. And I think he's exactly what we thought
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: he was, which is he'll be a scout team quarterback
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: and mimic Lamar Jackson or whatever running new Jalen Hurts,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I guess I should say.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about Christian Gonzalez, who was the first
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: round pick. Evan you today, what do you think of
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Keon White? Why don't you tell me? Yeah?
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: I look, I still feel that he's a downhill linear player.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: He's not a finesse guy. He's not gonna He's not
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: josh U j Right, he's not coming off the ball.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: He's not putting together six seven different pass rush moves
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: to get around guys. But his bull rush speed to power,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: ability to dent the pocket is legit. He can move
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: the pocket. He's been a handful for the backup offensive
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: line and team drills. I like to see him get
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: elevated and play a little bit more with the first
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: team defense. But he's he's got a legitimate upper body power,
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: speed to power type of rush to him that it's
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: gonna collapse the pocket in the interior.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Do you think he has any future against the run
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: early downs?
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: He does pretty well in those those edge setting drills.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Maybe a little bit too far upfield for their liking,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: but he's able to hold his ground and do that
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: sort of thing. I still think that he's best with
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: his hand in the dirt. I think when he stands
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: up he's a little bit he's a little bit too
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: big for that. He's two hundred and eighty five pounds.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: I just don't love him doing that. But in terms
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: of put your hand in the dirt and come downhill
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: at the line of scrimmage, I think he's gonna be
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: effective player. And my guess is is that as it
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: comes along here a little bit, they'll start using him
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: as a penetrator on stunts and line games. You know,
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: to go in and really get that first initial push
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: so that a guy can come and wrap inside, you know,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: a Jude on Anucha. Well we'll be the rap player
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: and he'll be able to dent the pocket and make
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: that pocket a space for those guys to come around
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: and set that pick. So he's got he's got all
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: the physical tools to be that that powerful rusher. I
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: just I still don't really see like a great block defeater.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Like I don't see a guy that's dancing around blocks
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: or getting off box consistently. But he can push the pocket.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: He's big, Like that's the best thing I could say
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: about him right now. He's big. I don't I haven't
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: seen it, you know who. Actually, maybe it's just because
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: of the fifty ones. Ronnie Perkins has flashed a little bit.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I've heard his name in past rushing. I think he
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: had another you know quote quotes Sack today.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Went right around Andrew Stuber, see right around him.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: He knows exactly the playoffs.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: He's got a little bit of of that dip around,
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: you know, that speed and dip around the edge that
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: he'd like to see or bend. But when people, when
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: tackles get hands on him, he's gotten no power to
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: his game whatsoever, and he gets washed down. I think
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: it was reef throw him in one on ones. Just
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: if you don't beat me off the line, if you're
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: that first step doesn't doesn't get me concerned, then if
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: I can get hands on, it's it's over with with Ronnie.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And I you know, in terms of just uh, some
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: of the intangibles, I think the team plays better when
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: they play more heavy metal music.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah? If you notice that, do you
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: do you chart that?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I think that's the music they played best to,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: at least the offense. Okay, So I just just want
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: to throw.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: That into a little housekeeping note, housekeeping, housekeeping. The Patriots
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: are practicing on Sunday.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've they've added that practice back. So it looks like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: you know, with with that being with that adding to it,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it's a possibility that Tuesday's practice next week will be
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the last public practice.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: I tweeted that and then I deleted it because I
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: wasn't short.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Well I'm not either, but I'm just thinking that could
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: it looks like that will be the last practice.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: But so maybe we should talk about this more off air.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: But on Thursday, they have the preseason game. Then Friday
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Saturday will be off because they always have two days
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: off after a game, So technically Sunday should be a practice.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It is now no next like a week Sunday. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: but it probably I don't think it's going to be open,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: but I don't know.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: So it's going to be open to us spit close
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: to the public, right, which no offense to the public
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: is the best kind of practice, because that's when they
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: actually really start to do some of the stuff that
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: right they won't show.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I'm thoroughly confused, but someone will let me know where
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: what I have to do. At some point we'll talk
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I think there should be an announcement
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: pretty soon about or maybe they've already announced it that
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Sunday is now a public practice.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: So Sunday, Monday, Tuesday of this coming week you think
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: will be the last That Tuesday could be the last practice.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: It's just an educated guess.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you haven't necessarily heard anything. Yeah, that would
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that would make some sense. And
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I do think that it'll be interesting to see if
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: they continue with camp rules and have the media be
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: able to stay and watch the whole practice or go
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: to sort of their end season, and they just have
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: They've done both that. They have done a couple of
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: practices here and there. They have allowed the media to
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: continue to go to even when the public because no longer.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I think, I mean, look, they can they always circumvent
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: the rules, no offense to the when it comes to us.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying, but I think technically that is a
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: training camp practice that they have to have open to
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: the media.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: So when does training camp officially end.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: It's a certain number of practices. I don't know it
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: off the top of my head, but they have to.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: It's once they get to a certain number of practices
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: is when they can start closing. I think them down.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I think Evan's right, and I think it's somewhere in
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: the neighborhood of fifteen. But I do not know that.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: That's a that's an Andrew Callahan question.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Is okay, So.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's amazing. I feel like we
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: just started. But I mean we have eight practices done already.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I know it's it's flying, but.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: You know we're going to have the you know, ability
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to watch those joint practices. So for in terms of
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the media.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: There's also count as training camp practices.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: By the way, Yes, so that's that's you know, that's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: really that's good that those are important eight.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: And tomorrow's nine, you know, and then you can do Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: that's twelve, and then you have four more.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: That's sixteen.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: My guess is that's got to be around that's it
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: around the limit, you know, Like I don't again, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: think somewhere around fifteen.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Joint practices are supposed to be open, you know, to
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: the media, not necessarily the public, but to the media.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: But they're not exempted. They're not, like I don't think so, Yeah, I.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Don't think they're they're exempted. But yeah, I we'll find
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: out soon enough. Oh that's a killer. Yeah, I don't
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: know if I will be here.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, what else? What else has kind of jumped out?
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm trying not to. I'm not I'm
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: trying not to ride the roller coaster too much of.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Like Tuesday to Wednesday.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: Just like one day I have this reaction the next thing, right,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: you know, but we all say what you saw. That's
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: the one thing I'll say is just like at what point, Like,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: it's great that the offense is clicking the last couple
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: of days, Like you have to also say that the
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: defense to start to give up some plays. And I
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: think the back and forth is great.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: What did I say to you earlier?
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But the one area in particular that I've noticed
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: that's and I think you said Paul that if a
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: live pass rush is happening, then this looks a lot different.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Right with Ma's getting hit while he's making some of
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: these throws, then who knows if they're actually is you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: if he's going eighteen for twenty four in a camp practice.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: They've had some issues covering the flats in past coverage
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: where that if Mac wants to throw a check down
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: or throw a quick flat route to one of the
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: tight ends or something like that, that's been there for
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: three straight days. And I don't know if it's the
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: type of you know, without being able to go back
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: and watch the film of the practice, if it's the
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: type of coverage that they're playing or what have you.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: But there's been a couple of times where I've scratched
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: my head and been like, do they even have a
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: flat defender? Like who's supposed to have the flat.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Well, do you think that has anything to do with
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the offensive scheme.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: That it's possible, you know, they're skiing that open. Yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: I mean certainly, certain in certain circumstances. Absolutely, And I
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: think that that's Look, if you're going to give up something,
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: you're going to give up the five yard check down
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: in the flat. You're not going to give up the
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: fifteen yard completion down the field. But I think that
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: if you look at the way they've been playing it,
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: that that's teams are going to take that that's a problem.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: It's been a play that they've had trouble with. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: agree with Evan, and it's been all three groups. Mic
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: surely had a little swing out today to JJ Taylor
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: to Taylor as soon as he threw it, he put
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: his hands in the air like you do. Like that
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: has worked. I don't know if it's something that there's
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: a communication issue with the defense on those and they're
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: just not recognizing. But you they're very similar patterns to
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the plays. I'm not telling you they're all the same play,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: but they have definitely struggled with them. And some of
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: the stuff with Juju I think down low, you know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: has been an issue with almost like a little tunnel
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: screen today. Yeah, ye completely looked like it got them
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: off guard. Yeah.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I think some of that communication and this comes back
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: to Bill O'Brien and something that he's I think really
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: brought is those little goal line routes. They run a
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: bunch of different things out of those two receiver sides,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: and yesterday hit Juju and there was definitely some sort
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: of breakdown in the back end on that touchdown at
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: the end of practice and then Juju walked right in
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: on like a little tunnel screen or pick play there today.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: And on the one hand, you want to say, well,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: that's Bill O'Brien, right, he's drawing these things up, and
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: that's that's a good thing. But I think there has
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: been a little.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Those up too. Yeah, you know, just looking ahead and
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: being concerned.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's maybe a little bit of i'd
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: just say miscommunication, certainly, especially with that Juju one yesterday.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: Both Jalen Mills and John Jones looked at each other
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: after the play with the Poms like, what.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Well, don't you feel like this could be good for
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: them jumping? Don't you think it's good for the defense
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: to see.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Some of that stuff. I mean last year offense one
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: on one, you know, and there's no motion and there's
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: no pre Those defensive guys have specifically talked about how
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: much the offense is dialed up for them, you know,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: in terms of motion and misdirection and all kinds of
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: combination routes, and how good they think that is for them,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: you know, And we've kind of turned it like the
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: way the defense was playing early, like they can mix
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: and match so much in the secondary that they have
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: the safeties up they have in the back. Seems like
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: everybody's had a chance to be center field, everybody's had
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: a chance to be up around the line. So that's
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: good for the offense too. The point that I made
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: to Fred Evan was, you know, the first part of camp,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: it was every day it was like, well the defense
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: is playing well, but you know, the offense look bad,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: like bad days of practice. Then the offense is a
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: couple of days of success and it's like great practice today.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Well the defense doesn't play all that right, but it's okay.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: And as Fred said, because we're more worried about the offense.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: So yeah, you definitely trust the defense is going to
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: be good more than the offense and the trust the
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: system and all that stuff. And I'd also say today
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: it was more of a back and forth. I mean,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Kyle Duggar picked off Mac.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Today was a good day for I thought, a good practice.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, John Jones broke up a pass that was one
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: of those that I still think Mac is working on of.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: He thinks the zone is flooded, but it ain't flooded.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Let's let's the only thing the only thing missing on
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: that throw was a slight move to one side and
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: making that throw the other side. He does not see
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: that guy. Yeah, it's the guy coming from the like
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: he's if he's underneath, if he's got a guy trailing
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: from left to right, he does not see the defensive
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: back underneath going right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: To left right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Talking the Dougger interception, Yeah.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: So the Dugger interception was just robber coverage, just man
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: coverage with the spin with the robber. And then Adrian
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Phillips got zappy on the same exact coverage later on
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: in practice. So both those guys lost Robert defenders today.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: But with the one with John Jones there, it's just
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: a flood concept. So they're running the vertical through and
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: then the corner route and then the flat and they're
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: trying to flood the sideline, and for some reason he
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Mac there's the same play that he threw in sevens
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: that that Marcus Jones almost picked off as it passed
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: for Juju that underneath flat defender is gonna he's gonna
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: split the difference, right, He's gonna like kind of hang
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: out in the middle and but also lean a little
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: bit more towards the corner to try to encourage the
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: flat And for some reason Mac, it flashes open for
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: a second, but it closes really quickly, and he just
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: doesn't have I don't know if it's the timing or
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: if it's arm strength to fit it in there before
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: the defender closes. So those are those ones that still
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: look a little bit a little bit shaky.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had high hopes for Mike Oseeki. Should I
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: start tempering that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting. I mean, I I don't know.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've noticed Sokole has been, you know, getting
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: more snaps and you know whatever. And I were talking
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: about up top, was it seems like they probably like
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: him as a blocker a litle bit more. So, maybe
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: you're going to see some early down too tight end
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: with with Socole in the mix, I think he's one
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: of the one of the wild cards. I've just disappointed
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: that Kasicki hasn't shown up more in the red zone
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: because he was pretty productive during OTAs and you haven't
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: really seen much of anything of him, and some of
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: the other guys have had slow starts, but have come
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: on a little bit here as we've you know, gotten
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: on Kendrick Bourne, not necessarily with the ones he caught
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: a bunch of balls.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Today, Talod Hunter, Henry's looking Hunter.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Henry's been their their their best player in camp, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: he looks like he's in great shape. So I'm a
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: little bit concerned, especially with how Gazicki kind of dropped
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: off last year. It seemed like in the spring that
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: had such high hopes for those two guys, but I
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: think we all kind of realized that neither one of
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: them is a prototypical blocker type.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Both of them are probably ideally suited as all you know.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: But so that's why his playing time is going to
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: be I think a little bit less than I initially thought,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: because it kind of reminds me of Kendrick Bourne. Like
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: we get all these questions all the time. I know
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: Kendrick Bourne had a lot of stuff going on, locker room,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: you know type stuff last year that that played a
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: part in it. But since they got Kendrick Bourne, he's
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: been a passing down receiver. I think he's played eight
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: run snaps his entire Patriots career. In two years, he's
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: played eight snaps where they run the football, and a
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: couple of those have been him running the football on
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: jet sweeps. Yeah, so he doesn't point, he doesn't play
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: in the run game, and I think is Sicky's gonna
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: be the exact same thing where it's gonna be two minute,
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: third down red zone and it's gonna be probably forty
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: percent ish of the snaps and people are gonna be like,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: where is Mike Asiki? But he might flash and show
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: up in some situational type of things.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: I just feel like that with Bourne, it's like he's
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: always been the fourth receiver. So it's like you're not
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: usually running when you got your fourth receiver, Like you're
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: in a situation where you might you probably have a
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: bunch of receivers on the field to try to you know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: he's never been the one or two guy, and.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: But Devan's point, would he be more than that if
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: he could be? No, but like he might have the
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: receiving ability to be a two. But because he can't
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: be out there to do all the things that Evan's
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: talking about, he has to be the four. But what
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: can he do? Like, what are you look I receiver?
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: You don't think he's a good receiver. Well, I'm saying,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: why can't he play in the run game? I clearly
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you have to do everything for that.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: Clearly he can't block because they I only have eight
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: snaps to go off of, So I can't tell you
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: if he actually can block or not. But they whatever
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: they see and practice out of him, clearly they don't
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: like his his blocking. And now they have, you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: just to go with the receivers. They have Parker and
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: they have Juju who that they clearly trust on on
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: first and second one and right, those guys are gonna
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: play all three downs, and so Boring again is going
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: to be a best the third receiver, which when you're
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: an eleven personnel most of the time that's a passing situation.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: And that's how we get here. And then we get
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: the question six months from now of why has don't
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: they play Kendrick Borne Moore? And I think the sicky
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: as the second tight end is going to be similar
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: where it's gonna probably be a lot of Hunter Henry
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: as it should, and then Kasiki's really only going to
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: be a passing down player. I don't think we're about
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: to go see twenty eleven Reducks where both of those
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: guys are playing on all three downs. It just doesn't
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: seem that way.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: I think the question will be how many snaps the
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Kasiki and Bourne play together this year?
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Might it might be zero? Yeah? All right, I think
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: that would be disappointing to a lot of people. I
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: understand what point is, Yeah, I.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Do too, But I just I mean, I don't know
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: why we still talk about Kendrick Bourne all that much.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, he's you know, he's a fourth receiver.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: We're about and Henry playing together.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess you're putting into Taekwan at three.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Tomo Douglas work around.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: You're saying Bourne is the fourth who's the third receiver
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: on this team?
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Tomoro Douglas? Really, I think so?
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I would put porn ahead.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: I think I think boring right now is ahead. And
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: in terms of just experience. But if you're trying to
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: put together the most complimentary group of receivers, that's fair.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: I feel like all three of those Parker, Juju and
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Bourne on the field together is like just they're like
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: the Spider Man meme. Like they're all they're just looking
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: at each other the same like they all run the
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: same way. They they don't.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I think we made a little news here, though. Paul
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Peril says that the Mario Douglas is the third best
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: receiver in this team.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: That I didn't say it was the third best receiver
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: on the team. I think he's the best guy.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: For the role, right, Yeah, and again Evan Lazarre said that,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: just just to repeat, take my name out of your mouth.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Correct, he's the best slot receiver on the team.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I think we think that, or I think that Edelman's
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: here because they asked him to take a look at
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: this Pop Douglas guy and tell us what you think.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: So I have what I responded with this, Bill Beltick
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: strike you as the type of guy that would ask
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: a former player what he thought of an evaluation.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Edelmand was still out there when I was out there
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: shooting the video. He was holding court taking pictures that.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Little media.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: But I think if anything, he came here to to
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: say hello to to all his old friends that are here.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if he's asking him to evaluate
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: Pop Douglas, but if he's asking him to mentor Pop
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: Douglas watch some film with Pop Douglas, like, I'm all
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: for that. And I would also call Deon Branch and
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: see if he'll come back and talk to Pop Douglas. Also,
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: because if you're talking about stylistically, I think that he
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: reminds me a little bit more of Deon Branch than
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: Julian Edelman.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: He's just so involved, and I mean, I you know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: I hesitate to pump him as like, oh, this is it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: He's on the team, he's got a roll on offense.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: But I just I don't think you can ignore how
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: much he's in motion, how much they're kind of you know,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: playing with him on the inside, and they don't really
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: do that with anybody else. And certainly when they do
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: the guys that they send on the fly sweeps and
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: jets and stuff, like, they're not fast, you know, so
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: it just it stands out when they do that stuff
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: with him, because it's like here comes this little water
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: bug running across the field.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree that he like the slot stuff. I
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: don't think they have anybody like that, old school kind
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: of shifty slot guy. He's the only one really that
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: fits that mold.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just know how Bill O'Brien loves to highlight quickness,
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: and especially out of the slot obviously, And like Paul
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: just said, who else is really gonna be that jitterbug
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: on the inside that can do that? And they're gonna
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: they'll go empty and they'll clear it out for him,
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: and he's just gonna be one on one with a
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: linebacker or safety and he's You have to be able
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: to exploit.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: That, you know, because no matter what defense you're playing,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: not every one of their defenders is going to be fast.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: So you have to be able to exploit when you
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: get that matchup. And you know it, Parker's not gonna
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: See, but you is not. But that's but that's the
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: drawback of it. So if you're right, then make sure,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: if you're a defender, you put one of the fast
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: guys on him because the other guys aren't fast. But
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: you don't have to have fast guys on it. Now,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: I think Bourne is. I think Bourne runs much differently
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: than Smith, Schuster and especially Park.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: He does.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Now there's something going on with and I've always been
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: critical of him because he doesn't always seem to beware
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: in doing what he's supposed to do. I think there's
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: a reason he doesn't play more than he does, beyond
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: like the physical, beyond blocking, Beyond this. I think I've seen,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: like the last two days he's left excellent at camp. Yeah,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: but I don't know if they feel like he's a
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: reliable guy that seems to be just from afar. Bill
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: Belgick certainly doesn't tell me any of this, but it
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: looks to me like they don't think he's overly reliable.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: What have you guys thought?
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: A Juju Like I have to admit I'm not better
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: the last couple of days, but not over the movie.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not overly I haven't really been blown away by him.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Like I think he's been productive the last couple of days.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: He's made some catches, but I was hoping that wow
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: a little bit after the catch juice and then this
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: is extremely limited sample size right now, but you know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: just generally watching him, I think he's a break tackle
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: after the catch guy, not a you know what I mean, Yeah,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: which is fine if he does. It's how you gets.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: You have to catch as long as you get it.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Like a lot of the place we talk about when
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: he's on like a little crosser in the red zone
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: and you know, and then he gets contacted like the
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: four and you're like, you're hoping that he's going to
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: break those but I don't know.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: He just he does like big.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: He is big, but he just he fits that mold
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: like Evan, you know, not I mean, he's different than Parker,
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: but none of those guys on the hoof are are
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: like whoa you know.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: And again that feels like a little bit with Douglas.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: Why he pops so much is because he's just got
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: that slippery athleticism that the guys don't really have.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: He moves differently in the rest of I'm not as
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm not as low on juju. I
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: guess because.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: With that, I think the last couple of days I've
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: seen some of this. He's not a guy.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: And this is, you know, why we talk so much
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: about DeAndre Hopkins and all these others. He's not going
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: to get open on his own. He's not like this
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: route runner that's just going to go out there and
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: and flash in the sense of that that pop Douglas
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: has with just like the quick twitch and explosiveness. But
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: when you get him into those pockets of space and
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: you get him over the middle of the field and
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: on those slants and things like that, he's gonna be
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: able to catch it and run and that's what they're
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: hoping to to He'll be able to do. So I'm
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: waiting to see live tackling, like in game situations. Is
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: he is he running away from guys? Is he breaking
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: tackles after the catch? It's kind of hard to evaluate
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: that in this type of setting.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: All Right, eight five five Pats five hundred is the
• 52:22
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• 52:25
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• 52:29
  Speaker 1: go to Patty and agawam, what's up Patty, what's up everyone? Hey?
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: Good thing that you guys are talking about for him?
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: Because I watched a lot of the videos from Patriots
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: dot com, but I was I thought it was very
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: interesting the dot The Oly interviewed with phill Belichick. He
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: asked them what players so far this training camp has
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: impressed him and he's you know, just to paraphrase, he's
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: like obviously a lot of the second third year guys
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: he's like and even some of the guys that have
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: been that you know that.
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: Have been.
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: More veteran guys than He brought up Bentley, he brought
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: up uh to Girl Peppers, Hunter Henry, and he brought
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: up Kendrick Bourne.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: And I just is that when he was talking to Poli.
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think this show some point were you
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: guys have said, you know, Matt Patricia obviously didn't like him,
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: but I think Bill likes him. And I just I
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: kind of wanted to get your guys opinion.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: On on Yeah, I would say that last year that
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: no one likes Kenrick, Like if Bill Belichick wanted to like,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: if Kendrick Bourne, if Bill Belichick wanted Kendrick Borne to
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: play last year, he would have played. Like I'm tired
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: of blaming the Kennedy assassination on Matt Patricians, Like, I
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: get it, they got he got in the doghouse and
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: maybe he got in Patricia's doghouse and that's how it started.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: If Bill Belichick, with that offense for seventeen games, thought
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: that Kendrick Bourne was the answer to help fix it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: He would have been playing right. And I heard the
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: same stuff Patty. I heard Bourne talk about his relationship
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: with Bill. He he he went to Great Lents and
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: saying he's the kind of guy that I know, even
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: after my career is over, I'm still going to be
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: in contact with Bill Bellich. Like I think there is
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: a sort of rapport, great good word, you know, between
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: the two. I don't think it's a personal kind of thing. Yeah,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I think there are things
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: that Bourne doesn't do on the field, like probably mentally,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: you know, for Belichick to to say I can rely
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: on this guy as a you know, a ninety plus
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: percent playtime guy. The ship is saled, right, Like I
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: think what it is?
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I think so, you know, we keep trying to talk
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: about him as if he's going to have a breakout
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: year here and year whatever it is for him, but had.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Nice day forms. I think he's a good complimentary receiver.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: I think any team would be fine with him as
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: a complimentary piece if you're asking him to be one
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: of your best guys. I don't think he's consistently yeah.
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: Like if you I just you can go back to
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: twenty one where it's not about Matt Patricia and he's
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: still a part time player, still a rotational guy. I
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: know he played a lot more down the stretch in
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: twenty one once he got hot, but like, but he
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: was still a fifty percent snap guy in twenty one
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: and they still didn't play him in the run game
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: with McDaniels either. And I think Paul's points perfect. Like
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: if they still had Gronke and Edelman and he's like
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: the third guy, like he's the Chris Hogan of that group,
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: then he would be really good at that.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: But I like him.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: I mean he's a hard guy not to like.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: He just doesn't come with a cloak of invisibility, like correct, right, Sometimes.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: He doesn't help him just during games. He didn't get that.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: We just put in a game. Yeah right, Yeah, they
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: did the big catch and run against Tennessee. It's like,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: look like no one, no one knew where he was
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: when there was like a bubble boy he had it
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: on the first week of training camp.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: That was where it was Dominique in New York. What's up?
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Oh no, he isn't.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: He's off the line.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Delaware. Gabriel's there. Hey Gabriel.
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: My questions to y'all would be, when we go to
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: that Week one game, who do you guys think is
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: going to be the starting O line?
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Oh god, it's a great question.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Okay question Andrews and Neil for sure.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna bring Stephen Neil out of retirement.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not Neil. Why Cole Strange, I don't know why
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Stephen Neil?
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: And I think Trent Brown will be out there.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think if everybody's hell, I don't know
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: about on one you we haven't seen. Say, it's easy
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: to say who the starting line is going to be.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: If everybody's healthy, Well, well, I.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Think those three will be there. Now. On the other side,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure right now.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: I say so confident in in in Cole Strange and
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Trent Brown.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: Because they will be I'm telling you, I think those
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: two guys are I think it's gonna I think it's
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: gonna be Mafi right guard. I don't think we're gonna
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: see it. When you I think when you might just
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: be p up and into the season.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: You see that, I'm not. I'm not. I don't know
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: about them. And when you so that's up for grabs,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and right now you'd have to say McDermott Evans is
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: your right tackle.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: Right yeah, I'm about ready to call it for Connor
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: McDermott at this point, I would probably go Trent left,
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: Strange Andrews. I think Big Mike will be fine. Connor McDermot.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Now, why do you say you think Micha will be fine?
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Like ready to go Week one finals?
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: We haven't even seen.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: I have more confidence in Big Mic than I do
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Strange and Brown because Strange and Brown are out there
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: not doing anything I know out there. But I know
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: why not? Is my point.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: I think this is a different for whatever reason. I
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily know why, but I think this is
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: a little bit of some you know, we talk a
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: lot about Bill evolving with the times and today is
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: athlete and that sort of thing, and I think some
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: of these things that we're seeing with guys like Judon
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: and Trent Brown and it's a little bit of evolving.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: I think that they know that those guys are veteran guys,
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: they played a lot of football for this team. They
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: have some younger guys at those spots that they probably
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: want to take a look at. In training camp. Anyways,
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: I guess you could throw a remandre into this category
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: two And do you really need Trent Brown out there?
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I know, I know that we get on Trent Brown for, like,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: you know, being out, But I think he earned some
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: credits last year for playing under the weather and sick.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: And remember those games where he wouldn't even come out
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: for warm ups, but he'd come out for the game
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: because he just wasn't right. But he played, and that's
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: more than he did in the past.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: But it's just a lot with him. There's always something
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: he just like, like I just look at it totally differently,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Like you're tying like these roster game roster bonuses to
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: him and he's going out there doing the bare minimum,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: like because he wanted to get paid. Like I just don't.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: I don't have any faith in the guy. I think
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: he can play when he decides he's engaged and wants
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: to play, so he basically has the ability to play.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: You think he didn't go out for warm ups last
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: year because he was I.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Think he did exactly, just like why did you report
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: early because I was told to? I think that's the
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: epitome of Trent Brown. The exact minimum I have to
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: do to get by. That's what he does. I think
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: if he wanted it, he could be a Pro Bowl
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: caliber player if he wanted. Instead, he made the Pro
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Bowl once when with the Raiders. He probably was in
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: a contract year. I'd have to look, but he probably
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: had something that he was fighting for with the Raiders.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: I don't disagree with you overall on Trent Brown, but
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: they have no choice none. He's by far their best
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: tackle and it's not even close. So whether he's bought in,
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: whether he's been spending too much time at the buffet table,
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: so he needs to condition some more, whatever the case
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: may be. Although Belichick said that he came in underweight,
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: that he came in lighter than he has the last
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: couple of years, so that makes you believe that he's
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: in good shape. But regardless, they need him. They have
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: no other choice.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: So the thing with Brown is like you just never
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: like that the reliability. And what worries me the most
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: is someone asked me who do you think has more leverage?
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Brown or Judon, you know, if they're holding in so
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: to speak, right, And I said Brown, Brown by far,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: And the reason is, like, we're just sitting around the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: know what all ten right? And Andy Hart says I'd
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: cut him, like if if Bill Belichick and I and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Andy said Brown?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Andy, Andy said, you know, I still believe in the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Belichick mantra that he has always said, like, you know,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: sometimes the more talented guy isn't what's best for the team,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: and in this case that that might be. You might
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: be better off with a lesser player doing what you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: want him to do and what you need him to do,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: even though physically he's not as good. And you can
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: make an argument for that. But when he said I
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: would cut Trent Brown, Phil Perry from NBC Sports Boston's
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: head turned around so fast and like his whole face
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: was like white, Like what are you talking about? You
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: can't do that, And both of them are right, you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: can't cut him because what are you gonna do? And
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: I get it. It's like, you know, you want to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: be that high school coach you treats them all the same.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: You know it doesn't work like that. You can't afford it.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Like Evan's been telling you every day about Conor McDermott
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: and Riley Reef at the tackles, I would shudder to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: think what would happen if if that was the situation
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: for seventeen games. I don't think they can afford it.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: And that's when he's the most dangerous, when you need
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: them the most, when you need him the most, and
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: when he has the level and yeah, when he has
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: the leverage, he you know, I just would worry about it.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's always fair point with him, right.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: I think we need a car to come in here
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: and light a fire under him or something.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Saying that into like the next century guy. He just
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: can't retire.
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  Speaker 5: I've come around on some of the I think the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: receivers last couple of days have made me feel a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: little bit better about their their supporting cast and that
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: respect hisuse. Guys are starting to get open and they
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: are starting to make some plays down the field. The
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: way that they treated the tackle position this offseason is
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: is just practice.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you just hope that that isn't what derails the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: whole thing.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's my concern.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: You like everything that they're doing, you know, with all
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: the window dressing, the motion, all the stuff that Bill
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: O'Brien's put in. You love it, but we all know
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: that if your offensive line stinks. It's gonna blow it
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: up right in your face. It's not even gonna matter
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: how good of coordinator you have. If Matt has one
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: and a half seconds, he's on his back.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they just they had the free agent tackles.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: This was a good free agent tackle class. There was
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: multiple guys that that got good contracts and can play
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: start starting tackles, that can play in the league. And
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: we were talking about this up top deuce, like, how
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: much better would you feel if the only question mark
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: really was Trent Brown's want to and and and buy
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: in Because the other spot, Mike Baglinchy is here and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: is You're not worried about.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: That at all. Made the comment to Matt Smith about
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: the Atlanta guy McGary McGarry, mc gary. You know the
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: other day when we were talking about it, this did okay.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: You didn't want to take one of the tackles. Maybe
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: you didn't love the tackles in the draft. You had
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: an opportunity. Instead of five million, you spend ten million
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: or something. You know, you spend five million on Riley Reef.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Spend ten million, you know, maybe you know whatever, a
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: little bit more to get one of those guys that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: I think would have been more of a short thing.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is Tyren Smith still with Dallas or is a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: free agent?
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  Speaker 5: No, he's still with Dallas.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, although Michael Parsons threw him about a mile
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: on Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The guy to keep an eye on, veteran wise is
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: in Cincinnati Williams. Yeah, they have a little bit of
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: a you know, they have some depth on the offensive line,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: and I think they're looking to turn it over a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: little bit and he seems to be unhappy.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he hasn't played very well last couple of years.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: The injuries have really piled up on him. But he
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: was one of the better players in his draft coming out,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: and I think somebody that at this point I would
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: say that Jonah Williams is worth a trade.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Fire Dominique from New York is back on the line.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: What's up, Dominique?
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  Speaker 6: Hey?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, Ken.
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  Speaker 8: Awesome, very thank you for testing on it earlier. Thinking
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: up the defense, I know we've been talking about the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: offense a lot, but looking at some of the rookies
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: and how they played, Kem White was one guy that
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: I wanted to ask about. I didn't hear much about,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: but I think forget who touched upon it earlier, so
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: I mean you shared thoughts on that. But but going
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: back to sort of be the top performers. Thinking about
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: Christian Gonzales, it's interesting because you know, I think it
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: was earlier mentioned that he was really doing very well initially,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: especially around you know, Mini Camp Kenny Ram. He's made
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 8: some plays and struggled a little bit or at least
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: in the pastor has given a big place. I mean,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: one thing that I love is with Bill O'Brien in
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: the complexity of his offense or the motions that he's
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: going to be able to throw, hopefully helped the young
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 8: guy like him learn to kind of read things a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: little bit ahead of time, understand what you know, defenses
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: might do. Hopefully gives him an edge, and you know,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: we get a sort of Sauce Gardner type, you know,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 8: rookie season from him. That's my hope. But but beyond that,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: I wanted to ask outside of Matt Dudo on this,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: anyone flash as a potential game breaker for you, whether
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: it's strugg or whether it's Gonzales. You know, want that
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: he's been solid through the middle. And lastly, just a
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: note on the offense. Love the fact that I'm hearing
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: about the intensity.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: I know, our identity and disciplined for the most part,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 8: but I kind of want them fire from the team.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: You know, we're not going to be great. I think
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 8: I can be realistic and admit that they have the
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: potential to be good, I think, but what takes us
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: over the edge? And if you combine that you know,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: disciplined Belichick team with a little bit of intensity, scrappiness,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: more personality, even even you know, as far as that
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: will go, I would be you know, more interested and
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: it will make the team more enjoyable to watch. Also,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: one last question during training camp, do they ever sort
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 8: of do situations with mobile quarterbacks. I don't know if
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: that's just the game plan week to week that they
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 8: do with specific.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Teams, just knowing that you know they do, but not
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: when we're there.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they did that a lot more in the spring.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and they and they will you know when
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: they certainly week one, they'll have a package ready for
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: you know, hurts, you know, to defend him. But we
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: won't see those practices.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish that they were doing a little bit,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: but they continue to do that as I did in
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: the spring because that regardless of who's that quarterback, that's
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: you're gonna face RPO. You're gonna face all that kind
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: of stuff every single week. Now, every team has that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: in their in their playbook, and the Patriots have had
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: trouble with it, like you're gonna face Hurts in week
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: one who can run? And then you're gonna face Miami
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: in week two? Or run ourpo up your butt all
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: the time. So it's like you got to practice against it.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: I wish they were doing that a little bit more.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Thanks Dominique.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of questions.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: The other question is, you know, other than Gonzalez who
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: we talked about, who was flashed on defense, who could
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: be a real game wrecker for another team.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: They I don't know about game wrecker. That's that's hard
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: to say. I mean, I think Mapu's been around a lot.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think the safeties have all been really involved.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if they're trying to figure out what's
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: best or if they're going to continue just to kind
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: of roll through those safeties. I mean, I've been impressed
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: with Gonzales, I just I don't know if he's ever
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: going to be that sauce Gardner presence.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: That's so physical.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: But I think even a lot of the catches that
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: Gonzalez has given up, he's been right there and has
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: been competitive, and you know some guys have come down
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: with some great catches on him too.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: If I was the Patriots, if I was Bill Belichick,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: I would call Kyle Duggart into my office, say call
• 1:07:14
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• 1:07:16
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• 1:07:19
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  Speaker 1: email address. I just want to read this one email
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: that came in yesterday. So he's talking mostly about Tuesday's show,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: and I hope things are better for him now. But
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: this is Mike and Nova Scotia. He says, I love
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: the show listen for years. I've got great respect for
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: the PU crew. I have a couple of bones to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: pick with the recent coverage of training camp. While Fred
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: and Tamara tried to inject some positivity into yesterday's show
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: with the three Amigos Mike, Paul, and Evan, they weren't
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: having it. The negativity, especially from Deuce, is getting out
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: of hand and yesterday went too far. After standing on
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: his soapbox for weeks about getting d Hop, he was
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: so down on the team yesterday that he said it
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't sure if it would make it. Difference
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: of d Hop was here. I'm not sure what he
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: expects from the offense six days into camp while installing
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: the third system in three years with one padded practice. Evan,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I love your passion and often agree with your opinions,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: but you would do well to remember one of Fred's
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: favorite sayings, we don't know what they know. I would
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: point to the draft where both you and dus who
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: put considerable effort into your boards, and yet when Mapu
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: was picked, you and Deuce were at a bit of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: a loss as to the particulars of the player, the
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: same player who, by most indications, has turned heads at camp. Paul,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I love the snark which has been missing somewhat lately,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: and at the risk of being on the receiving end
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: of it, Come on, man, talking about the reps of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: the third string quarterback a week into camp and how
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: it was odd compared to the Brady years. It's like
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: you want a QB controversy. Maybe unlike some of the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: PU panel. The Patriots haven't decided on the roster and
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: actually want to look at the players they have in camp.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: What a concept. I enjoy the camp coverage, but yesterday
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: it means Tuesday I found myself wishing Eric was back,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: and that's not a compliment. I don't expect coverage that
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: just paints a rosy picture. But I don't expect all
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: doom and gloom either. While we all have our opinions
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: on the draft, that shouldn't cloud our judgment of the
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: players here on the draft, I agree with Paul and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: others that it takes a few years to see what
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: you really have. The last couple of drafts appear to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: have been pretty good. In this year's class certainly has
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: potential with your top draft picks play meaningful When when
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: your top draft picks play meaningful snaps in their rookie year,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I think it bodes well for the future. Cold strange included,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: when we get to joint practices in preseason games, we
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: will have a better idea of where things stand. Until then,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Can we dial back on the negativity until it's at
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: least warranted?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Well, there you go, I thought, I ag read that
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: good thorough email. I'm gonna give him what he wants.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give him a little start, right he asked
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: me for He said he was disappointed that I haven't
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: given much snark at the risk of being on the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: receiving end. I'm going to put him on the receiving
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: end of it. So when the rookies weren't playing from
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: day one and they were winning titles, that was a
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: bad thing. But now that rookies are stepping in right now,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: that bodes well. Okay, that's snark, that's snark. I would
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: just say, like I said, I thought it was a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: very good email. I thought he was very fair and balanced.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: Obviously he is a passionate fan. He looks at things
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: a little bit more optimistically than most others who have
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: been watching. But I would just say keep your advice.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: You know, you should heed your own advice. You're making
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: sure that Evan Mike, in myself, you know, we're cognizant
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: of the fact that we don't know what they know
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: when we're criticizing. But it's okay, I guess to praise
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: when we don't know what they know. What was that right,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Cause he's like he's all over you know, like mop
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: who he was.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Really he was mad at you, very negative.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: He was mad at you and Evan. He was looking
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: for some snark from me. Really, the most people want
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: less snark from apologized for missing an email. Was there
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: something so negative? Ever since they didn't signed Hopkins, you've
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: been down in the dumps, gloomy gusts. Not even sure
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: if that would have made any difference. No, it was,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: like I said, it was a very fair and balanced email,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: even though it was critical of us. I welcome that
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: that kind of feedback. Well, honestly, did you bring me anything?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I brought you some corn bread or some chicken
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: thighs for it.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: That looks like, yeah, okay, that's good. I'll pick on that.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: I know, I know picked on the elevators here on me.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I feel more positive about the team last
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: couple of days. So I mean, I guess you know
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: that that's gotta be worth something to him.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: My guess is you had a good show today.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Terrence from Colt's territory wants to know when we're in
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Frankfurt this year, if there will be a place for
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: fans to congregate there will be so ready to announce
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: that yet, but we'll have a pub that'll be for
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: the fans that week, so definitely a place for Patriots
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: fans to congregate. Plus we'll have some other place too
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: that will be really cool, so it'll it'll be a
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: great week in Frankfurt. He also says, I hope I
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: don't see myself as a I hope I don't, but
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: I see myself as a realist. And not having a
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: legit number one receiver is concerning with his quarterback. I
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: believe Belichick still treats his offense as that Brady's still
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: elevating everyone, even average players. Mac hasn't shown the capability
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: of doing that, so he needed a number one receiving thread.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: I refuse to be like some of these Patriots fans
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: who act as if nothing's wrong. I hope to see
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: you guys.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: That certainly stands a stock contractail exactly.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Nothing's wrong? Email? Though, I mean, I just I don't.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't believe it. I can't believe somebody
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: has watched the last year. Wait till something happens before
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: you get negative.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, things are happening at training camp, like we
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: spent all that time to convince me.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, well I'm sorry. Now I'm getting a little hot.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: I'm getting a little hot. You can get hot, go ahead.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: That'd be good for me to be able to write.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: I just you know, do you want reasonable announces? Do
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: you want us to talk about what we're seeing that
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: we get frustrated? We want them to do well. I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: want to come out here and see them tossing the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: ball around the field like they've kind of been doing
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: the last couple of days.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: We ow, we owe it to the listeners to tell
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: it like we see it. So, I mean, I if
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Douce thinks things aren't, you know, looking right, he has
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: an obligation to say that. Just like today where things
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: look better for the offense, he's saying that they look better.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: And so you're going to get this. You're going to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: get straight schooled. This is a gender free radio. We
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: don't have agendas here, you know.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, and I might.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I love watching the game, and I
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: love watching it well executed and well played. And you know,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: I certainly the last couple of years of average football
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: and poor decisions have colored a little bit of what
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: I bring into this season. Now, that said, I'm feeling
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: pretty optimistic right now. I think that they've got a
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: number of players on defense who are working in the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: rookies certainly are working in and showing promise on both
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: sides of the ball, and the offense is starting to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: cook a little bit. And I think that that's, you know,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: something that you can't just I still really believe that,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: you know, you can have an offense that plays above
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: the sum of their parts. You can't just look at
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: their talent level and say that's what they are, that's
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: what they're going to play do. I still think that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: if they play together and they're all on the same page,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: then it can look pretty good. Last year, they weren't
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: all on the same page, and they also weren't very talented,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: so it looked disastrous.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: I remember Duce has a high bar. He's the one
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: who said he was tired of twelve and fourty.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: I've seen at least thirteen or fourteen wins before I
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: get excited.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim's in the UK on the ACE ticket hot line.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: What's up, Tim?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 10: Can you hear me?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Yes? Weekend?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 10: Excellent, long long time, first time, thanks for all the content.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 10: Absolutely love it here in the UK.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: Thanks for calling.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 10: So I got a lot on my mind, does, as
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 10: all of Paths Nation does. I've got a take on
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 10: Max that I'd like to share and a question uh
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 10: questioned about it as well.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, Las fire one ready.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 10: So I obviously want Mac to succeed this year. I
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 10: really hope he is good enough that he retains some
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 10: market value and we can trade him, because I don't
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 10: think Mac Jones is going to win a super Bowl
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 10: in the NFL, either with the Paths or with any
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 10: other team. And I think the sooner we move on,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 10: the better, and if we can, you know, trade Mac,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 10: get some draft capital, hopefully you know, hit the draft
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 10: with a you know another take another shot a quarterback,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 10: and and and move on because I don't see it
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 10: going where we all want it to go with Mac Jones.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you are you willing to give him
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: this year? You think?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Are you?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Are you ready to move on right now?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: I'll give him this year And just kind of leaves
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 10: onto the question that I had in mind for you.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 10: How bad does Mac Jones need to be this year
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 10: for you to want to trade him? How good do
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 10: they have to be this year for you to want
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 10: to give him the fifth year extension. Whatever metric you want.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 10: It can be numbers that, it can be the eyeball test. Yeah,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 10: how how good or bad do they have to be
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 10: to move the needle one way or the other.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: Well, for bad, I'd say he's got to get pull
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: for zappy. I think if he gets pull for zappy,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: then it's kind of over.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what you know. You read
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: like a specific like it's almost a foregone conclusion unless
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: it just bottoms out.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I agree with your mind. It's just hard.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, I you know what he's speaking to. It's
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: it's almost harder to be in the middle and you know,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: not quite know than it is to be terrible and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: to be like we know, we don't go. But you know,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: from what we've seen from Mac the last couple of days,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's been playing well and and
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: I think he's in a third year situation where based
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: on last year, he deserves a full chance. And with
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: what they're doing with Bill O'Brien and how he's working
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: things in together, how it's starting to come together, how
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: you see you know, progression, like it's okay to have
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: a little bit of optimism about maybe what what Mac
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: has right now and what what he'll be able to
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: do within this offense.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: He's gonna I said it so many times, like he's
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: up against it.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: He's got I mean, such a tough division, such a
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: tough conference, such a tough schedule.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: It's a high, high.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Bar for him. I'm not ready to move on. And
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: but if he doesn't play well, yeah, we're gonna be starting.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: We're gonna start thinking about who's the next guy. I
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: don't know about trading him, you know, he says, you know,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: trade for draft capital.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, if he's at that point, what do you
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: get for him?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, so you're not gonna get, you know,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: a haul for Mac Jones. If you trade him, you
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: don't have to extend him right away, only in his
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: third year, so you could you could play him in
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: his fourth year. I just want to know who's the
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: next guy. And I think they're going to be competitive
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: this year, so it's not like they're going to have
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: a top five pick. You know, you're in a tough place.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: You are in the place where a lot of NFL
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: teams have been. It's it's NFL purgatory. You're not bad
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: enough to get that top pick, and you're not good
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: enough to win a Super Bowl and you don't have
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback, and so you're kind of stuck and
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: you kind of have to hope for luck. And you know,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: maybe you know, you sign that that bridge quarterback, and
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: you know, for now, you just got to hope that
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Mac can develop this year. That's that's that's what you
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: have to hope for.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I was always going to say, in a
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: perfect world, you could have just really bottom it out
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, and you know, they still were able
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: to almost have a five hundred season with Cam Newton.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: But in hindsight, you know, like like at the time.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: You're like, oh, we could have had Zach Wilson, we
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: could have had Trey Lance, and now it's like, well,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: you weren't getting Trevor Lawrence. I mean, I guess we
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: could talk about justin fields how you feel about that situation.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: But you know, even that, it's it's a tough thing, like, oh, hey,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: we got a top five pick. You still want to
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: swung and missed even maybe even worse than you did
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: with Mac at fifteen. So there's just no easy solution
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: it's not like our just cast Mac off will get
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: the next guy, Like, there's no assurance that you're gonna
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: get somebody that's even as good as Mac is.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, the Lions made the trade
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: with the Rams, right, Yeah, and they got Jared Goff,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: and that might be the type of quarterback that you
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: might end up if Mac doesn't work out in order,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: you know, because you're not gonna get that blue chip
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: quarterback coming out of the draft probably unless you tank.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to tank. I don't want to
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: do that, you know. And I don't think the team
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: can ever be that bad to do it without tanking,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: you know. So you're in a tough position.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: So I think now that's the most Boston comment ever.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: They could never lose enough games unless they were trying
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: to lose.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think with Belichick as the coach, they could
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: be a two.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: I would largely agree with you. I just was kind
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: of funny the way you said it.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: It's not a Bosston not here, it's a Belichick watch. Yeah,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: it's a Belichick thing. Plus, I don't want to have
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: that team that the culture is losing, you know.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: I know, Yeah, I don't think that's the culture is
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: losing if you do that. I don't think those guys
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: are around when you when you rebuild.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: But but it's you're in a tough spot. You're in
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: a tough spot. So obviously your first hope is is
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Mac is the guy. And I think we owe it
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: to him to give him this season just to see that.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not ready to sound like Tim was ready right now,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: but you asked him and he said, well, yeah, he'll
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: give him this season. But I think, you know, Mac
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: has to play really well for Tim to stick with him.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: I mean the question, I'm sure that that you know
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: some fans are probably asking, and I am. It's like,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: what what's worse? Like would you rather go seven and
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: ten again, eight and nine again, or would you rather
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: just three wins and just bottom out and then you know,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: and then have to redo it? Like if you just
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: keep it staying in the middle, you're always it's hard
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: to break that cycle unless the run, I know, but
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: like Rookie's got to break out. I mean, the young
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: guy's got to break out this year. That's what That's
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: how you get out of this cycle of middling teams
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: with you know, you have a very good head coach
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: who's going to get the team ready to play. And
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: now you have a competent offensive system, So I mean
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: the pieces are in place. It's really I think just
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: comes down to you know what Paul talks about talent.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: You know, you got these talented guys have to emerge,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: have to get a chance, have to play, you know,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: And so in that regard, you're excited about guys like Douglas,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: you know, and maybe you're I'm a little bit disappointed
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: right now in Taekwon Thornton just it's been you know,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: we talked about him as being the wild card. They
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: kind of flopped Juju for Jacoby kind of a wash.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: It certainly even now seems more of a wash. I mean,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: I guess we'll see. I feel like Juju's got still
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: got big shoes to live up to with Jacoby. But
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: you haven't gotten anything out of Thornton yet. And that's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: you know, he was the X factor for that group
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: that could really maybe change the dynamic. And now you're
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: hoping it's Douglas.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned what you're either go three and
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: fourteen or just be middling. And you know, I think
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: about the story in Miami where the owner and you
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: know this, I don't know if this is true, but
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: this was the report that the owner told Flores the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: tank and he said he'd actually pay him like extra
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: money for every loss. And and you know, you think, oh,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: you know, head coach, thinking about the future of the team,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: maybe he'd buy into that. And Flora said, no way,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: Integrity.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to do that. Now. I don't
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: know if that, but that's the report. I don't know,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: but I could see. You know, Belichick isn't going to
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: tank ever, no ever, But.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: You just I really wonder how it's all going to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: come together this season, just with how tough their schedule is,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: and you know, and it's a real opportunity for them
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: to maybe turn the page and actually, you know, start
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: knocking off some of these good teams.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, just right out of the gate. Like I mean,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't, I don't. I never try to
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: make too much out of Week one.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: I think, win or lose, it's often a weird game,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: and it's often not indicative of what kind of team
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: you are. It's just kind of that day. Yeah, But
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: I still think if you were to somehow pull out
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: a win over the darlings of the league in Philadelphia,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: and there'd be a little bit of swag and you'd
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: certainly need it going into that Week two game, which
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: I think is even more meaningful against Miami, which is
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: a game that you know, really you want to be
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: a second, you want to have a ceiling at least
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: of the second overall finish in AFCs.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: I think you got to win that game.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Christians in La. What's up Christian.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 11: Here you guys to all you today?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Good?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 11: Good, Hey, so one, I'm going to start backwards and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 11: go for it really really quick. I think Week one
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 11: really does say a lot. I think it's indicative of
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 11: how the team takes to the coaching and the preparation
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 11: that's needed. Like last year, we saw in Week one
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 11: that the team just looked dishoveled, They look confused, and
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 11: they never really recovered. So I think Week one is
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 11: a real good indicator of how the team is taking
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 11: to the new coaching too. With the mac Jones, I think, really,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 11: to be honest, we need to give him two full
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 11: seasons in one offensive system to really see if.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: He is the guy.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 11: He's not gotten that consistently, and so with any of
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 11: the quarterbacks that you guys have seen be really successful,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 11: even the ones that have come in and had a
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 11: lot of doubt around him, like a Josh Allen, it
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 11: took two seasons in one system to really bloss them.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 11: So until we give Mac that, it's like, you know,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 11: we're doing the same thing that the Cleveland Browns do
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 11: and all these other middling teams where they just they
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 11: cast off everything too soon before they before they really
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 11: find out what's going.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: On, because the fans, well, I would just be curious.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: I would be curious, which which are those teams? Do
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: you think? Did that? Give me an example of a
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: team you think they cast the Buffalo Bills they cast
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: off their quarterback too soon?
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 10: Oh no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: Give me an example of a team you think they
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: cast off their quarterback too soon?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: I think maybe.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 11: I think maybe the Cleveland Browns. I think Paker Mayfield
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 11: can play football.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: He can't.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 11: Maybe he's not the best locker room die or the
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 11: best kind.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Of football teah. I think he's I think he's had
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: opportunities around the league and he looks the same as
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: he did in Cleveland, Like I don't think Cleveland waited
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: too long to pull the plug on him. I think
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: I think he's near.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 11: They nearly beat the Chiefs with Baker Mayfield.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that doesn't mean that Cleveland's not a good team.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that. I think Cleveland's a talented team
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: that needs a quarterback, and they had a.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 11: Quarterback that was that was in their system, would in
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 11: the system.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: He did remain in the system the next year, and
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: what happened they didn't do that well but that But
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: but why didn't they do that well? I think when
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: you just because he was terrible. He was one of
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: the worst quarterbacks in football in that year that was
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: twenty one, I think the year the Patriots made the playoffs,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: right that the year that Mac made the playoffs was
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: twenty one, right, Yeah, he was terrible that season. I
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: mean it was one of the worst performances I've seen live.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you that he was awful in the game
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: against the Patriots. I concur on that, Like, I don't
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: think that Cleveland waited, you know, you know, pull the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: plug too quick. I think when you know, like I think,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: the worst thing that you can do is embrace mediocrity.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: See absolute thing. Like to me, it's like Andy Dalton,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going to ride it out for six, seven, eight years,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, now I'm looking for a
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: new coach, a new direction, a new quarterback. And I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: knew he wasn't the guy in year three, but I
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: stuck with him through year six. I think that's the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: worst thing you can do. And I think that maybe
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: the Giants might be in that boat right now with Jones.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 11: Sure, okay, so you say you say that Mac does not.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't say any. I'm not talking about Mac Jones.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: I'm pushing back on we don't want to be like
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: these other teams that pull the plug too soon. I
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: don't think there are a lot of examples of teams
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: that pull the plug too soon. I think there are
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: far more examples of teams that wait too long with
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: mediocre to below average quarterbacks than there are really good
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks that teams didn't give enough of a leash.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: Right And it's also guys like Josh Allen who are
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: insanely physically talented.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: But Shathen was really good in year two right like
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: then he got digs and he got to another stratosphere.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: Like but you knew what he had the next Christians,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: what he had to do to reach that next level.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: Like mac he is what you know, he kind of
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: is the high floor guy. So there's not like if
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: he can just learn to throw accurately, and he can
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: throw accurately, like I don't think.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: That there's anything you can just learn the you know,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: the defenses. He knows the defense if he can just
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: learn And this is, by the way, like I want
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: to push back a little bit on something else, the
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: whole third offense in three years, that's not really true.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: That's not really true. Now, Bill O'Brien is different than
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels. I'm not saying it's exactly the same, but
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: the core principles of their offense are pretty much the same.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: And I don't think last year was just a complete
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: departure from what they were doing schematically. It was a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: complete departure with a guy not having any idea how
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: to sequence and call plays in game plan and do
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. Like I think he was not done
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: any favors by Matt Patricia last year, But do you like,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: I don't look at this as like a whole new
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: cast of characters with Bill O'Brien and Josh McDaniels. Did
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: anybody say that with with Brady? No, it was the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: same thing, right Bill, it was Bill Belich. It was
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: the offense that Ron Earhart made who knows how long ago,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: and they've used it really ever since. I'm sure there's
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: some nuance to the absolutely differences with Bill O'Brien and
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: Josh mc should.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Lose your job if you don't change your terminology.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: You can't compare him, though to guys who have had
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: three different head coaches, and you know that's like you know, mean,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: look at Trevor Lawrence. I mean that's a complete change
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: in everything. The head coach has gone a whole new offense,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: all new weapons. I mean, that's a big change. I
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: think there has been some continuity with Mac I that
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: all said. I just think the position he was put in,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: we're all on the same page.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: He needs, he needs a chance, he deserves a chance,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: and I think he absolutely deserves a chance. I don't think,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: like I said, I think he's going to get the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: fifty year option unless he really, like let's like you said,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: unless he loses the job. If he loses the job
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: to ZAPPI then he's probably not going to get it,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: but I think he's going to get more than enough
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: opportunities to play. If he goes three years and you
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: don't know yet and the team gives him a fourth,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: that's more in that we're embracing mediocrity than.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a quarterback on a manageable contract than anything else.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, we don't. We didn't have a better option.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: Todd's in North Carolina.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 12: Heye, Todd, Hey guys, I just got a quick take
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 12: on kind of your idea that we'd beat Philly. So
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 12: I kind of want to know which two rookie or
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 12: second year players would you see and it would have
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 12: to stand.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 8: Out for us to be Philly.
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  Speaker 12: For me, it'd be maybe Maphu and whoever's playing tackle
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 12: opposite our big guy, because I you know, we need
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 12: a line and we need to stop the speedy. So
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 12: it'd be interested to hear which two you guys would think.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 12: I think that's for sure.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I I mean, I like seeing Mapu play
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: a bunch. I still not convinced he's got a role
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: on defense week one, much less this year. I mean,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: I'm excited to see where he ends up, but I'm
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: not convinced that he's, you know, really a factor.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, I I would put some of the lighter
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: linebackers in there, though.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: I think Mac Wilson's probably in that mix a little
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: bit more than map Who Is Mobile guy struggled last
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: year against Lamar.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: He'd be the first one.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's easy to say the tackles, they're gonna
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: they gotta get tackle play, they got to get good.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Play up front.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: That's a beast of an offensive line. They've got a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: number of talented players, and I think that's where that
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: game is mostly gonna be won or lost.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: And I know why Todd picked map Who because of
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts and yeah, you know he would you know,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: I just think that's asking a lot of a young
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: guy to go out there in your first game and
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: have to deal with something so sort of outside the box.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: I just think he's he's I mean, I'm not sure
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: exactly what map Who is yet, No neither am I.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: And that's I mean, people are kind of making fun
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: of me and Evan for our reactions online, but.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: That was part of the email.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: Part of the man was yeah they said that, and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: I and I and I stand by what I said
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: at the time. I said, if this all works out perfectly,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: what is he?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: I still don't know yet. I mean, we've seen him
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: play a little safety, We've seen him play a little linebacker.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: He looks like he's pretty comfortab out there so far,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: but I still don't know exactly how he beats out
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: Kyle Duggar, Adrian Phillips, you know, all those guys, Jibil Peppers,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: all those guys are ahead of him, Jalen Mills. I mean,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: he's he's buried right now on the depth chart. I
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: know we all want that mobile, you know, second level guy,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: but we'll have to see.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: I'm still waiting to see on him.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: And I love the player.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: I love the idea of the player.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: I think that's what a lot of people are more
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: in love with than actual Marte mop Who is just
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: the idea of what Marte mop Who could be. But
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: as as the emailer said, I'm waiting to see it
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: on the field first, and so far it's just been
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: he's playing in a number of spots on the on
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: the lower level of reps.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Willem and Phillim. What's up, William.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 8: Thanks for it.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: How you doing all right?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 8: Questions for Goose and Paul? First of all, how y'all
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 8: doing to good?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: What good? How you doing all right?
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: All right?
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 6: So I got it.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 8: I gotta ask this one. Okay, what is going on
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 8: with my board? Tae Kwon Thorton? I mean, here we
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 8: got George Picking making one hand catches over. They handed
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 8: him the ball and we got to receive hit that
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 8: has four two eight speed and hasn't shown really anything.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 8: I mean, do we consider this as another bus will
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 8: build again?
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: The only I mean that, Yeah, it's a little early.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: I I just don't know.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: He might have some kind of physical issue. Maybe he's
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: like got a tweeked hamstring or something. Anyway, I tell anything,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: I tell you right now, it's not going to be positive.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: But he's you know, he's just not really He's doing
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: the warm up drills and then he goes down to
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: the lower field. Now, most of those guys either you know,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: we're speculating there's no depth behind them and they're needed,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: or they have contract concerns. That's Taekwon's not a contract
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: concerned guy.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: So it's a no. It's a disappointing start. I haven't.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: I haven't ruled them out yet, and I think, really
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: where all of our information, the majority of the good
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: information is going to come from joint practices, So you know,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: it's it's you don't need.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: To jump off the ledge just yet about anything.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: But you know, once we get out there is on
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: when you available, does he come back as strange back?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: You know, that's when the rubber meets the road and
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: those things start to come together. So but no question,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: it's been disappointing other than a couple passes he caught
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: from Zappy Me a few days ago.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: His superpower is a speed and we just haven't seen it.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Haven't seen that. It hasn't been on this stand and
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: the way that Douglass jumps off the field. And maybe
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: that's more because it's a quickness thing.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: But you know, Taekwon is just such a tall, skinny dude.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: He's so he's so unique, but you haven't really seen
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: that put to use yet. You haven't really seen him
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: running by people or taking the top off the defense.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: Half the time you see him catch stuff. I mean,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: we've been in the red zone, but it's underneath stuff,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: and I you know, I just i'd love to see
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: him take a shot at him downfield.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Yep, thanks, William, appreciate the call. Let's go to Brent
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: and Reno.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 13: Hey Brent, Hey, guys, just got a quick, quick, little
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 13: you know topic, going to discuss really fast. I haven't
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 13: been a frequent color since COVID because I was on telework,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 13: but now I'm back on it, so I'm gonna start
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 13: call him more. But I just wanted to kind of
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 13: hear about how Jalen Mills is doing and what you
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 13: guys are seeing from him in training camp now that
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 13: we moved in back to the safety spot.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a little up and down, Yeah, but he's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: uh I think definitely safety. Yeah. Yeah, I hit a
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: nice pass defense a couple of days ago with the
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: with the safety group. With thee I finished practice with
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: a nice pick on an out route. Yeah, so uh yeah.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: I think he's been covering tight ends a lot.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: So he's not with the cornerbacks anymore. He's pretty much
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: looks like he's with the safety group full time. And
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, I do wonder how does it how does
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: it all you know, mix up? I mean, maybe he
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: kind of not to say he's taking Devin mccordy's free
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: safety kind of role, but I think he kind of
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: takes that maybe that roster spot as the rotational you know,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: for safety. But otherwise between Peppers and Phillips and Dougart,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: they're just rotating those guys all through every safety spot
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: you can imagine, and on any down you never really
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: do know who's going where.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, perfect, And thanks for hitting thats because that's
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 13: exactly what I was going to ask us. How you
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 13: feel about him going from a cody there?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I I mean, I gotta be honest,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: I have some concerns just about the deep speed and
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: the range of those guys on the back end. You know,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: if some of these teams that are bombs away, you know,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: are Peppers and Phillips and doug are gonna have that
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: range to get sidelined to side on and really make
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: sure that that the big plays aren't becoming a big problem.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: That's a that's a concern of mine on the defensive
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: of how they're gonna how they're gonna handle some of
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: that stuff with the faster teams.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: Cordy had that speed.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: Smart on the same page. It's like what you know,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: and it's always dangerous to sort of like watch from
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: afar and then try to interpret what's going on. But
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: there was a play in the red zone that Juju
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: caught that that little stutter step where he kind of
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: went to the outside and did the slant like a
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: little skinny post. Yeah, before that play, we talked a
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: lot about this during the podcast. It definitely looked like
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: Jalen Mills was trying to get some communication to Jonathan Jones.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: They weren't on the same page and the guy ends
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: up being wide open. So I'm not telling you that
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: that wouldn't happened. If Devin mccorty was still there, maybe
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: the same thing would have happened. But just some of
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: those communication things that you want to watch and see
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: if they're coverage breakdowns more often than they have.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: If we get to one and there's like a sixty
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: yard AJ Brown touchdown and you know, Peppers and Tugger
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: and Phillos are all look at each other with palms.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: In the air, then you'll know they miss Devin mccordy.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Johnny right, Sin don't listen to the critics, he says.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and everyone sees
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: things differently. I've seen every reaction on the spectrum to
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: the practice, from doom and gloom to when do the
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: playoffs start? I'll be at the joint practices in Green
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Bay for at least a day, and I'm excited to
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: see our offense, in particular how it looks against another
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: team's defense, especially one as stout as Green Bay's. I
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: think you are all cautiously optimistic to maybe at times
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: safely neutral, but I hardly think you are all intentionally
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: negative snarky.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm very negative, but I am not intentionally negative.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Rat's Evan on the Engagement. That's that's Paul shows that
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: are intentionally negative.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: But they're intentionally snarky to on steroids.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, yeah, Rick and Louisville. After listening
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: to that old cl it on the commercial break, you
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: can give me Hannity and Combs the Crossfire on CNN.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: I'll take Fred versus Paul any day of the week,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: and twice on Sunday. You guys are classic. Please never change.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: I'm still laughing as I type.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: I try not to do that, I really do. I
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: don't know how. Every once in a while Fred just
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: does it because he gives Deduce. That little look gives
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: Deuce the glint in his eye, and he he knows
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: he's got me. He knows he's got me. He doesn't
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: have Eric anymore, though.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: I used to like when the Eric ones would start,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: and you know, you could tell Fred like all of
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: a sudden found a little bit. He found a little
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: vain that he wants to maybe tap into a little bit,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: and Eric's going crazy.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: It was kind of bullying, though, don't you Well, that's
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: what makes good radio. Yeah, I guess. But he's just
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: such an easy target, you know.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what makes him good, right, That's what makes
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: it a good I mean, it's uh, I mean, I
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: feel like the radio shows, it's like everybody's kind of
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: becomes characters someone and that's what makes it good.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Right right, yep, let's see, George says, and he's from Virginia.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Happy to hear you all talk about how the offense
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: is looking good. I'd been hearing and reading reports of
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: the offense looking good from other outlets, and I've been
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: dismissing it since I didn't hear it from my PU sources.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you for the work you guys do. So there
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: you go. See that's what we've earned. We've earned the credibility.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: When we say it's good, it's good, you can believe it.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: That's why I mean it's funny because you know, the
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: last few practices, me and Evan watched up top, Paul's
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: been down below with the know it alls, and you know,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: we still come together afterwards in the same thing. We
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: don't even talk and we just got which is like
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: another reason, not that I intentionally don't want to watch
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: it with you or anybody else to watch it, but
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: that that's why I never go on Twitter after practice.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: I never want to see what other people's thoughts. I
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: don't want to be clouded by someone. I want to
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: see what I see. And if I go back and
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: I and there's a couple of guys that I'll look at.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: I always look at Mike's notebook when he throws his
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: notebook out there on Twitter. And then every once in
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: a while be like, ah, I didn't I didn't catch that,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: or I meant to include that. But usually you know,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: Phil Perry, Mike Reese, you know, the three of us,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: we're all almost all all on the same Mike Giardi,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: we're all on the same page. We all kind of watch.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: And we've been around for a little bit. We've seen
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: the same things over and over again, and there's very
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: few surprises.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: I have high hopes for Chris Price. Yeah, taking back
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: on the glow beat. I think he's gonna make an
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: extra effort to be accurate and fair.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: He's right in there, right in there, anymore than the
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: guy he's replacing. Like that kind as well. He should
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: have been on Patriots dot com staff, but I think
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: he should be. Well, he was one of us.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Dan and Virginia and Michigan. Congrats to Evan on his engagement.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: How does his fiance feel about Evan's computer being his
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: best man so that he can keep watching film during
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: the ceremony?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's fun. It's fun. I mean I haven't set
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: a date right, no, but you know, I mean we're
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: already talking.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: We were talking a little about about babies, and I
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: was like, cheez, Evan, how are you going to manage
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: that one? So we're like, all right, if you could
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: get it, so she has it like right after the draft,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: you know, then you'll get some some free time maybe
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: to have the baby.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: But I heard they weren't going to have the baby.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: The traditional way he was going to draft one's baby.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: He's gonna scout it and draw it up. No, it's fun.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: It's fun listening to Evan, you know, with his passion
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: for the game and then his poor girlfriend and trying
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: to balance it all.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: It's a high comedy for sure.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Damario Douglas, this is still Dan has been getting
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: some attention and he wants to know is there any
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: chance that he ends up like the next Taylor Price
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: or Zach Zudfeld.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, there is sure, Yeah, Douglas. You know, but
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: but right now it looks like it doesn't look like it.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: I think he has a trait that like he's quick,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: and I think that that kind of stands out and
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: he catches the ball. Yeah, I mean I've really noticed
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of like super catches, not super buddy. A
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: couple had one today, but I mean nice down for
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is every pass that he caught
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: I would expect you or I to catch so far. Whereas,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: like reminder, Stevenson made a catch today in a short,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: little hook that was high. He went up and high
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: pointed it. That's not an average catch for a running back,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: like you know, you know, what I'm saying, like I'm
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: not telling you like it was just behind the back,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: one handed catch. But every ball that to Mario Douglas
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: has caught has been absolutely routine. Yeah, so I don't
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: know about his hands yet.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: I mean take it for what it is in one
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: on ones, but nobody gets the separation like he does.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: And those are really tough drills. But you'd think the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: one on ones, you'd think that.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: Some of those guys though juju, they be able to
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: get better separation.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: But I mean, he is like boom boom open Born
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: has been the best at that drill in the two days.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Bourne has been wide open every time every rep. And
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: your boy takes advantage of Marcus Jones a lot. Douglas
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: he catches Marcus Jones, he has He has gotten Marcus
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Jones a few times.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, Barton Poland you know, when it comes to a
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: potential veteran quarterback, he's very high in Kyler Murray. He
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: thinks that he could be a really good quarterback and
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: believes that he carried a horribly coach Cardinals team for
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: a while and that he's underrated.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: Weird spot for him after tearing his ac on the
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: Patriots I mean, he's probably gonna be like a midseason right, Like,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: they don't expect him to be ready.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: To go, So he's in a weird spot. New coach.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: I heard the Jonathan Gannon's been pretty hard disciplinarian from
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: the reports I've seen, so interesting spot for Kyler Murray
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: kind of coming in the middle of the year. How's
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: the team doing at that point? Does he bring a
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: spark to them? And you know, maybe he can secure
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: that job, But I don't. I don't disagree with the
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: point that he might be generally available in the next
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: season or.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: So Ben writes in he's in Liverpool. I know it's
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: early in training camp, but I'm starting to get worried
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: about the offense, much like last year, will be the
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: downfall of this team, and I think a lot of
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: that has to do with Mac. I don't think he
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: was given a level playing ground to build upon his
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: year last year, but still sounds like he just isn't
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: getting going to be the quarterback we can invest in.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: What would need to happen for you guys, this kind
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: of the same question as before. Well need to happen
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: to pull the plug on them?
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: I would just pump the brakes on the on the
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: killing Mac right now. Yeah, I'm not looking for that.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go all fred on you here like this.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: We're like, you know, a week into training camp, getting
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: ready to start a season. I'm not ready to say, like, well,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: what if we have to make a change of quarterback
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: right now? Mac Jones is the quarterback, right I mean
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: Doubt Look as it looks as good as he's been
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: playing since the middle of his rookie season. I mean,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: you know, like just as far as practice is what
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: we've seen, Like you know, so I don't know what
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: his ceiling's going to be, but he's playing good football
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: right now. When he's starting to feel it a little bit,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: he's you know, celebrating and you know, the team seems
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: to be rallying around him. So I know it was
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: a slow start and we might have been negative about
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: the start, but it's starting to come on.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: They strung a few days together. It wasn't like, oh,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: two days ago we had a good day and it
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: was bad.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, it's starting to stack a little bit.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: So I would just you know, pump the brakes on,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: you know, just trying to take Max's job. Immediately give
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: him a chance.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: We got to get that line right, and that's the key.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: That's that's I think that the bigger key to all
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: I really have confidence at this offense will at least
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: be confident like it was in twenty twenty one.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: I think the pieces are at least equal, if not
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: better than they would do.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: You and Evan will be out in Green Bay for
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: the first set of joint practices.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be really important for you to
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: you know, I pay attention to it.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Give us some accurate reports of what's going on.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: Accurate this time, I was just gonna be eating cheese
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: the whole time. I could actually watch practice.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: Now this is this is ridiculous.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: No, we're looking forward to Reno writes in should we
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: be concerned how much I'm reading about Christian Gonzales getting beat?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: No, I mean I think he's been competitive in all
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: the all the drills.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: I think he's shown good just it just looks comfortable
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: out there, and there's so much communication and hand drills
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: and everything that goes back and forth pre snap with
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: those guys. He's going to get beat sometimes. I mean
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: everybody's going to get beat on a DeVante Parker. You know,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: high point faith, that's what he does. But no, I
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: wouldn't get I wouldn't be overly concerned yet. I think
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: I'd just be excited. He's been playing a lot and
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: that he's taken he's taken some lumps. There's gonna be
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: growing pains, but I think so far he's been he's
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: been excellent.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Erica is from Virginia. What's up? Erica?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: Hey, guys, how are y'all doing today?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: Erica, Hey, So I was talking to a buddy of mine,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 6: and we've been discussing this whole first round pick back
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 6: in twenty twenty when we when we drafted Duggart. Now,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: with that being said, knowing what we know now with
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: Burrow and Duggert, would y'all have made that option to
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 6: uh make a move to get Burrow over Dugger in
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: the twenty twenty draft.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Dougger was a second round pick. Decision was made, Dougger
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: was a second Dougger was a second round pick.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I think they would have had to sold
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: the farm, but hey, if there was a way to
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: do it. Yeah, I love me some Joe Burrow, but
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: I think it was probably a little bit out of
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: their their range to realistically make that happen.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 6: But oh yeah, and that's what I thought too, Like,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: I just didn't see the whole Burrow thing happening, and
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: my body was like, uh no, we could have traded Brady.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, yeah, I still don't see them trading
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 6: Brady Cincinnati to get that pick Burrow.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: Could you imagine that that would have been that would
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: have been chess checkers?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 6: No, I mean sure, you don't think that Burrow would
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: have been a good fit for the Oh yeah.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: Godcha everywhere he fit anywhere in the league. Yeah, yeah, no,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: he's he's he's now one of the faces of the league.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think just in terms.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 6: Of I mean I just didn't know how, you know,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 6: I just didn't know what all his opinions of him.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love him, I love him. Yah, we're big fans.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: And I mean, I think part of it is just
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: if there was somebody in the style of Brady's game
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: and kind of in the style of mex game, that's.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: What Burrow is.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's kind of a throwback, certainly athletic.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 11: But quick yeah, just you know, you know, on on Minshew.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: Why why do you think that Minshew wasn't even a
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 6: blip at that point when he was up.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I can't speak to Gardner Minshew. Yeah,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew. I don't think it's a very good play.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got a good personality, Yeah, good, good, good
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: backup and you can have a game.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and he's he's been able to do that.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't, I don't. She teases me with this,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: why didn't we just go get Joe Bert?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: But between Minshew and Burrow, imagine them on the same
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: team for arrivals, just the outfits alone.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: Is Hey, we had Cam Newton here and those arrivals
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: are pretty cool.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. Uh one in Monterey, Mexico, with
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: Judon not participating, could it simply just be keeping him
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: fresh to be able to last the whole season both years?
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: By the end of the season he looked exhausted and ps.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: The reason mac Jones is playing better is because his babe,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Evan wanted Zappie more.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: As soon as Evan went to Zapi, Max started claying show.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know what.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know what to say, I mean, there's certainly
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: logically you can understand at these positions where the depth
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: it outside linebacker slash edge that Judon is the top
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: and for Trump Brown at tackle that it is a
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: significant drop off after those guys, And it makes every
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: bit of sense in the world to want to make
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: sure that they not only make it to the season healthy,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: but stay fresh through the whole season. How with their
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: contract things going on the scenes, probably and hopefully they
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: get it figured out. But even if they get the
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: contract stuff figured out, do we think, like there's a
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: report in the morning Matthew Judon has signed, you know,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: a contract extension, YadA, YadA, YadA, and then that day
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: he's out there in pads and ready to Like, right,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: I still think that there's more to just a contract.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: They're trying to manage him and Trump Brown.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: All right. Catch twenty two will be at three o'clock
• 1:49:44
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• 1:49:47
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• 1:49:50
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