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Are women the weaker link? | HBR Talk 304 · Honey Badger Radio

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  And Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk. Three oh four are Women the
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  Weaker Link. I'm your host, Hannah Wallen here with Nonsense Annihilator, learned
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  books of the Personification of Perceptivity, Mike Stevenson, and tonight we're going to
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  discuss, well, not evolution exactly, but some blasts from the past that
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  will come as a bit of a surprise to some people. I'm not too
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  shocked, actually, because there's some of this stuff that I kind of knew
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  even when there wasn't a lot of research to show it, just because there's
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  a lot of myths and legends that sort of indicated that they have to come
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  from somewhere, all right, So there's there's some myths and legends about women
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  in historic and prehistoric times that wouldn't really occur to people if the norms were
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  at the top of the page. Now, so for purposes of this discussion,
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  I wanted to do this before we went on to the next thing,
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  because it's really relevant to the topic of service, particularly military obligation, but
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  civic obligation in general as a precursor a connector between the general population and voting
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  rights. Because you know, we have this preconceived notion in modern society that
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  the reason that military obligation falls on men is because men could do it and
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  women couldn't, and that it was reasonable and rational to suggest that men should
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  do it and women shouldn't based on the evolution of men and women. And
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  there's there's quite a bit of historical beliefs on which that is based, and
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  there's some some history that backs that up as well in terms of what people
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  did do. But there's also a lot of information that indicates it's not it's
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  not about capability. So here's here's what we've gotten. This is another episode
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  in which I have like eight pages of show notes that we're not going to
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  read verbatim because eight pages. So let me open up my show notes in
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  the window, because for some reason that's not showing let's see here. It
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  thinks it wants to look at something that is no longer open. That's why
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  it switched me to a tab from a previous show that I'm not using anymore.
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  So let's get out of that. There we go, and I will
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  read the intro. This is what I've posted in the bottom two and discussing
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  the history of male suffrage. It's linkor and its link to the history of
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  male military obligation. I realize there's an aspect of this history we're not talking
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  about. In today's political debates. We're told that historically, patriarchal attitudes kept
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  women out of military service and many other harsh realities of life, dirty jobs
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  like coal mining, dangerous worklike hunting, because they have always been the fairer,
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  weaker sex. The story history tells us, not so patriarchal, not
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  so guy and ecentric, nor so black and white. Whatever can be said
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  about women today, the women we evolved from? What the heck did I
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  get? Oh? Okay, I thought I had a y and evolved there
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  and I've got something on my screen. Sorry, guys. The women we
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  evolved from would probably kick all our asses. So the first thing I learned
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  in looking for older articles about because I knew there had been some research on
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  ancient women hunters, like in an Eolithic period. So I was looking to
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  find those articles again and I ran across this article. Ancient women had awesome
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  arms, and it's something I hadn't thought about. They resembled the Russian grandmothers
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  of today. They can carry an entire log on one shoulder. The women
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  looking as neoptonus as they do nowadays might be a sort of modernized affectation,
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  and it's only able to happen because of the technological advancements that men have brought
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  us over the centuries. For most for most of the modern history, women
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  women didn't look like that. They they didn't look quite so childlike. They
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  were like I say, like Russian grandma's they were they ironically they could pass
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  as men. Yeah, yeah, well from the waist up at least,
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  what I saw in this article is kind of interesting. If the flintstones was
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  drawn accurately, the women still would have been moderately curvy in it, but
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  maybe not quite so curvy as they were, and they would have had man
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  arms basically, and they probably would have had heavier, stronger looking faces,
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  but their legs would not would not necessarily have been as stick and heavy and
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  strong as men's legs. And the evidence for this is interesting because this study
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  looked at the bones of let's see if I can find here. Yeah,
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  they looked at the arm bones and the leg bones of male and female skeletons,
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  and they now can DNA test the skeletons and discover whether or not they
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  were male or female, rather than looking at the pelvis and deciding this one
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  could have had babies, so that's the female. This one probably couldn't have
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  had babies because that's the male. And they may or may not be right
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  about those things, Like they probably would have looked at my skeleton and it
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  went, oh, yeah, dude, because it wasn't made to let a
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  baby out, and they had to cut mine out because of that. So
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  my scaffolding is incorrect. But one of the things they discovered, and let's
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  see if I put it in the notes, is when you look at the
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  long bones and the arms and the legs, you know, you have the
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  big bulbous ends and you have the long part in the middle, the long
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  part in the middle in in critters that are made to be like flying and
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  stuff like that, is thinner, it's it's maybe hollower, it's it's more
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  flexible. And in critters that are made to do heavy things, be strong,
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  fight with each other, stuff like that, they're made to be they're
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  thicker, they're rounder, they're less a little less flexible. And what they
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  found with men was that there was there was significant change the arm and leg
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  bones, but not with women. With women, there were was significant change
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  the armbones over throughout history. Uh, but but not so much the leg
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  bones. So the armbones indicated that women had very strong arms. And uh,
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  that's sort of a summary of the first few paragraphs that I've written here.
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  They discovered essentially that women did a lot of work that involved either standing
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  stationary or sitting down, but using a lot of muscle to get things done
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  with their hands. So one of the things that women used to do is
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  a type of grain grinding that involved a heavy stone handheld on top of a
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  bigger, flatter heavy stone in front of them, where they would move the
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  big heavy stone in their hands back and forth to smash the grain. Is
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  before the mortar pestle. This was like a lateral movement or a front and
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  back movement. Yeah, it's like I've seen them do it. There's a
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  channel that I watch, an Indian cooking channel in a remote, tiny village,
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  and you'll see these ladies with these huge and I think a part of
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  the reason that they do it because you can grind, You can grind so
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  much in such a large scale. Yeah, you know, especially and it
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  counts, especially when you're feeding an entire village. But you know, you
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  just roll it back and forth, and that constant movement of that heavy stone,
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  I mean, you just build up the muscles in the armstring yep.
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  And if that stone weighs like, you know, ten pounds, which it
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  can weigh more than that, but if it weighs ten pounds and you grind
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  a huge load of grain, it's it's like doing you know, however,
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  many reps of lifting or rolling or moving, because you would have to do
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  at least a degree of lift to keep it from just sitting still. And
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  there's work like that, hauling water, all of the domestic things that women
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  did before any kind of mechanical device, even non electric, you know,
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  like I said, the mortar and pestle is a much smaller device normally.
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  And you know, before there were mills and and you used mules to turn
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  a big wheel, you had women doing that. So these were not wimpy
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  women, you know, And and this was something that they would have looked
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  significantly different. That would have built up not only the muscles in their arms,
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  but also the muscles in their chest. They would have would have built
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  up their whole core. Because you can't do something like that on repeat without
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  injuring yourself unless you build up those muscles so you have all of your abs,
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  your back muscles, everything at work on a job like that, and
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  they do it. They would have done it all day. And it's not
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  as though muscles are something that are preserved in fossil records. Like the muscles
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  that you build up throughout your out of life are not preserved in your skeleton.
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  The savvyest archaeologists could not tell you that what kind of muscles existed in
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  the skeletons of the bones they dig up. It's the progression of these things.
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  It takes place over, if anything, millions of years, rather than
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  the thousands of years that were able to trace in anything but evolutionary biology.
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  If there's any reason for women developing shorter bones in the shoulders, it's that
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  they no longer had to like I say, it's it's it's because of the
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  advancement of technology that the I guess, not just men no longer selected for
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  women with big shoulders, but nature itself no longer selected for women with big
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  muscles because they didn't have to. Because because because men not only did most
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  of the labor that involved shoulders, but they also invented machines, even primitive
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  machines, like even in ancient days, primitive machines made out of wood and
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  what have you, that that that took over from the jobs that women used
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  to do. Much like in the twentieth century, they invented techno technological machines
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  like washing machines and and whatever whatever else that took over from the jobs that
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  women used to do, but again on a much larger scale that that allowed
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  that allowed women to I don't even know if if any of this works on
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  an evolutionary scale, because I'm not sure how long the evolutionary scale is is
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  generally millions of years. But if it's just sort of minor things, or
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  at least mid range things like how wide a woman a woman's shoulders are,
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  I guess in the absence of the logs that women have to lift eventually that
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  although you'd have to ask why why wouldn't women retain big shoulders if there's no
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  reason for them not to, Like, if there's no evolutionary reason for women
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  having narrower shoulders, why would they even develop them? And I can only
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  assume it's because of reproductive pressures. The term women with shorter shoulders are somehow
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  selected for over women with broader shoulders, and and and that's and that,
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  that's a whole other thing. Although I guess it's maybe the women with shorter
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  shoulders a don't have to bother quite so already, don't have to bother quite
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  so much with this physical labor, and they can focus more on displays of
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  femininity. Yeah, there is an explanation for why that changes. It's called
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  mechanical loading. Mechanical loading is the bones adaptation, so it stimulates bone formation
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  following a pattern consistent with the distribution of strain energy. In other words,
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  if you do a lot of exercise that puts strain on your bone as you're
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  growing, which means that little girls did a lot of heavy lifting in comparison
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  to little girls today back then, then your bones will grow differently, and
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  even as adults, especially in your youth, if you do a lot of
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  heavy lifting or work that involves a lot of strain pushing, pulling and bending
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  and stretching that that has weight attached to it, then your bones develop longer,
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  thicker, heavier. They developed to handle that. And you can see
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  it in the difference between boys who play rough and tumble, you know,
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  when they're kids and boys who are more quiet and reserved in compared comparison to
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  the other boys, and you'll see a lot of the boys that are more
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  rough and tumble players will have thicker bones, and they'll be more hardy,
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  more physically hardy. Guys will come home from boot camp in the military looking
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  thicker and heavier. And so it's an interesting effect that And that's again it's
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  not unique to humans. This happens with other animals too, other other animals
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  with bones. So it's just a matter your body adapts to handle what you're
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  using it to do as best it can, and that's part of it.
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  So women, and it generally happens during childhood, yes, childhood, and
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  your your adolescence, your youth, your adult youth. But even like right
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  now, I wouldn't have the same level of adaptation at at you know,
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  in my fifties as I would have in say my twenties or my teens doing
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  this. But if I started daily lifting weights and continuing to build up those
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  weights, I would still strengthen my bones a little bit. One of the
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  things that changes as you age is your your body doesn't use calcium as effectively
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  in are the production or healing of your bones. So, for instance,
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  that's why it's more dangerous for an older person to break a bone. That's
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  one of the reasons. It's not the only one, but yeah, this
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  this is a factor that actually the bone thickness and size and so on follows
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  your level of activity during your lifetime, as much as the evolution of bone
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  thickness and so on may may change over time due to uh, due to
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  natural selection. So it's it's both things are contributing factors. It's not just
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  one. Is anyone else going to do a joke about the mechanical loading of
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  the bone. Believe me, when I when I wrote the show notes,
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  I'm like, oh, this is gonna be good. Uh. And and
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  of course this this, the whole thing is rather since we are talking about
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  the long bones in your arms, I will will say the whole thing is
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  rather humorous. But it's not just you know, the domestic work that made
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  women strong. So we have some other articles here, and this one was
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  interesting. We have two articles women were successful big game hunters, challenging beliefs
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  about ancient gender roles and the theory that men evolved to hunt and women evolved
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  together is wrong. And the bad part of this is that these articles the
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  researchers what they looked at was not wrong, but they approached it from a
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  gender studies perspective instead of a scientific perspective. So the research and the articles
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  about it were very annoying to read because they kept saying things that were not
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  rational conclusions. But what I could go learn or from it, I will
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  share, among other things, there is evidence that women's bodies, the differences
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  in how we store fat and how how we shape our muscles and everything,
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  men and women were probably they probably evolved to hunt together. It wasn't men
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  hunted and when women gathered, or women hunted and men gathered. It was
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  men and women probably collaborated in hunting and gathering and gathering. Yes, although
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  I kind of had my suspicion that hunting was more important. I think humans
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  evolved more to eat meat than a lot of this. Then it's politically correct
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  to say and gathering may have been looking for more for nuts and seeds than
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  other food sources. But you know, those are those are things that I
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  can't fully I'm not going to get into that in this this episode. And
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  I can't fully back it up right now. It's just some things that I've
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  been reading in the past that like. The more I look at it,
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  the more I think that our ancient diet didn't include a huge variety of things
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  so but it included a lot of protein. I mean, largely, what
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  makes humans so good at hunting is our ability to throw things, and indeed,
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  the devices we invented, like the bow and arrow, that makes us
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  so evil, so able to to kill things from a long distance. And
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  that's probably connected with why, unlike so many other carnivores or even omnivores,
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  we don't have those big old incizes in the front of a face that in
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  so many other species are designed for doing the killing but biting into the neck
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  of something. The reason we don't have them is because for so very long
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  we haven't needed them. Because we have we have these very dexterous arms and
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  these very dexterous hands that are able to throw things over a long distance or
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  shoot things from a long distance, which is theoretically possible for women as well.
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  They don't have arms as strong as although as we're establishing in this article,
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  women in ancient times did have fairly strong I'm still not as strong as
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  men's but fairly strong. And that gap is narrowed even more when you have
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  a device like a bow and arrow. I'm not sure how long we've had
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  those things. You still need a strong arm in order to shoot a bow
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  and arrow, but like I say, the difference is narrowed even a woman.
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  You only need to pull it back for a second or so and then
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  shoot it, and and and then and then you've then you've got what you're
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  looking for. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. And and in addition,
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  you also have, like we had, we had different ways of throwing spears
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  as well. Like spears, you could throw it directly from your hand,
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  but there were devices created that you could use to increase the distance and so
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  on. However, what what this looks like? It looks like men probably
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  did more of the spear thrusting, more of the close up and personal fighting,
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  and women were more likely shooting from a distance, flinging rocks, throwing
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  arrows, right, and you know, shooting, shooting bows and arrows and
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  so on. Women, it appears, evolved for more long distance activities,
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  more endurance activities. They're metabolical, metabolically suited better for endurance type activities where
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  men are categorized this sort of categorized as men as power powerlifter, short burst
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  type activities. Not that men can't do distance, because if you look at
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  areas where modern methods of travel were sparse even into the twentieth century, and
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  uh, like, by modern method methods, I mean the wheel, you
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  know, not not cars necessarily, but even like horses and carriages and so
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  on, and people a lot of people traveled by running great distances and stuff.
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  You will see that men evolved to be able to do that. So
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  and humans are pretty good at like the scary movie killer that you know,
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  chases you down, and like you run it and run, and you're exhausted
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  and you've gone all the way through the woods and this killer that is just
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  walking catches up with you. It's scary, but it's probably what our prey,
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  our ancestors prey experienced every time they were hunted by humans. To this
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  day, to this day, human beings are still the best long distance runners
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  in the entire animal kingdom, in the entire any kingdom, including anything in
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  the plant kingdom. We're a lot, we're a lot better at long distance
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  running than anything in the plant kingdom. Yeah, we like to think that
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  we're not better at any animal, at anything except intelligence. But no,
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  we we can. We can run not faster, but longer distances without having
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  to stop to Again, we have salmina. Salmona is the word I'm looking
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  for. We have the greatest long distance running DaMina in the entire a kingdom
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  of any given organism. Yep, that's largely how we got where we are
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  today. Of course, it makes a big difference whether you use that capacity
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  on the regular or not, obviously, and so modern modern people again,
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  more likely than not, we don't compare it all. You know, probably
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  historically, especially when you get into our ancient ancestors, men would probably outrun
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  men today, run circles around them even in a sprint. And women from
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  back then would probably outrun women today as well. They would be in much
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  better shape, they would get out of breath less frequently, and so on.
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  But in terms of men and women back then, you had a difference
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  in muscle structure and the way that muscles developed. So even though like I
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  said, women might have had big fred flintstone arms, they would still have
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  been smaller than the men's arms. Right, They still they would have been
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  leaner looking because of the way women's muscles grow, and that is, as
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  the article points out, a feature of estrogen. And what they described is
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  kind of interesting, and I ended up just doing screenshots of what they described
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  because their article. A lot of their article used images instead of text for
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  for these parts of the article. So it's interesting. Some of the stuff
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  I wasn't I didn't see it quite as supported, like the better psychological pacing,
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  I didn't see support for that in their in their research, but the
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  greater fatigue resistance there, the neuro muscular mechanisms women's. Women's bodies are different
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  enough from men's that we have the capacity to go for a long time.
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  If you have a man and a woman with the rest of their health being
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  fairly close identical, you know the woman is going to outlast the man at
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  a same level of activity basically, and then we have better insulin sensitivity.
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  The wider pelvis allows for carrying a more hip placed load. It says,
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  these are things that would like again, assist women in ways that maybe men
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  didn't need because they are doing the more short burst, short burst sudden activity
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  like the end and the more directly violent activity, higher estrogen though allows some
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  of some of this I'm not gonna get into, but see if I can
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  find it there we go down in here closer to the bottom. I don't
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  know if you guys can see my arrow, So I'm gonna put it at
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  the top of the screen. Yeah, what's at the top of my tab
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  on online in my window is not at the top of the screen in obs
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  So sorry if I'm like a little distracted messing with it. But so,
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  the first thing that we're looking at here the growth growth hormone, which it
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  can increase muscle mass. What they didn' point out there is the way that
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  women's muscle mass increases. We get We don't build bulk like men build bulk.
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  So a woman might who lifts in the same way and the same amount
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  as a guy isn't going to get necessarily the same shape and size of arms
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  unless she does, like her she does the short burst thing more. Because
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  you know, we we aren't. It's our bones don't handle it, and
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  we aren't designed that way. But it does give us a sort of a
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  lean, tight muscle structure a little bit maybe a little bit longer and a
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  little bit more flexible. And then on top of that, we have the
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  way that we store fat, the way that we stretch and shorten, and
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  the way that our our muscle fibers are different type one as opposed to type
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  two. So the increase in endurance as opposed to the short burst of activity.
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  And then the other aspect of it is the muscle recovery. These contribute
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  to. We don't we don't break down our muscles, don't break down the
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  cells the way the same way that a man's muscles would in the like from
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  lactic acid and in the the burn phase of exercise. So we end up
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  instead of creating like knots of of muscle like you see on on men,
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  we end up create eating like this, a different density and so on.
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  And then the other interesting thing that happens with women's muscles as opposed to men
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  is like, and I'm going to compare us to cows. So women who
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  are listening don't get mad, because this is what the female researchers did.
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  Okay, so I'm not calling you a cow, but we have marbling.
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  Hold your moves to the end. Yes, So if you've ever like shopped
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  for beef at the grocery store and you look at a cut of meat,
• 32:35
  and you see how sometimes the fat is inside the cut of meat and it's
• 32:40
  not all red. There's a lot of little white lines through there and everything.
• 32:44
  That's called marbling. And if it's if it looks good, it can
• 32:49
  be. Yeah, when you cook it right, you get this permeation and
• 32:52
  it tastes great. Now, all right, so does others? Just how
• 32:57
  tastes different from bull? I've never seen a differention of that if it's but
• 33:02
  I never know. Do you know if you're eating bull or cow? Is
• 33:08
  anyone compelled to tell you whether you're eating bull or cow? Nope, No,
• 33:13
  they only need to tell you whether it's grass fed or not, or
• 33:16
  organic or not. And it really they don't have to tell you. But
• 33:20
  it's it's bragging right if it's grass fed and all that kind of thing.
• 33:22
  One of the things that you should be aware of though, is that if
• 33:25
  you if you don't have any marbling, you get tough meat. So I
• 33:31
  imagine that we probably don't eat bull very much, or if we do,
• 33:37
  it's probably hamburger where they've added the fat and grounded in with the muscle.
• 33:43
  Because if you've ever driven through the countryside, you'll have noticed there's cows everywhere,
• 33:49
  but you very rarely see a bull. And I can't have a wonder
• 33:52
  if it's not just because bulls are more dangerous. I have to wonder if
• 33:57
  it's because the most bulls don't get to become bulls, they become veal.
• 34:01
  Right, you have a few different reasons. Although milking a bull can be
• 34:07
  more lucrative individually, they don't need as much of what they take, right,
• 34:13
  because they're not taking milk. So we'll go there and said that that
• 34:17
  is a job that some people do have to do. They but half of
• 34:23
  the berths are male, yes, and half of the births are female.
• 34:30
  But all you have is all you ever see other females. You have to
• 34:32
  presume for every hundred females, there's one male who's locked up in a bond
• 34:38
  somewhere whose only job is to inseminate the females. Right, and the requestions
• 34:44
  are probably made into veal. Yeah, yeah, I hate to be the
• 34:49
  very bad news, but that is probably. And this is something that like
• 34:52
  I would have been able to ask my mom about but can't obviously now.
• 34:59
  But she he grew up on a farm and they raised they raised some cows,
• 35:06
  and they did have steer. They raised they raised pigs, they raised
• 35:10
  chickens, they grew crops like all that. It was not a big farm.
• 35:16
  It was a small family farm, but it was They had a little
• 35:21
  bit of everything. And yet you have these you have these feminist vegans like
• 35:25
  that. One mega kind of turned up at the Oxford debate wants to tell
• 35:30
  us that eating meat is misogynistic or connected in some way to misogyny. And
• 35:37
  I'm like, bitch, if it's anything like ninety of the males get cold
• 35:45
  very close to birth, you have no leg to stand on when this shit.
• 35:49
  And neither do the bulls, because they fucking cut the legs off first.
• 35:52
  Yeah. Oh geez gin bottle. You guys had a death wish,
• 35:57
  daring each other to get into the bull pass your whole Nope, you couldn't
• 36:02
  pay me. You could not. Oh my god, that would be like
• 36:07
  getting hit by an angry car with horns over and over again. Jesus Pizza.
• 36:12
  Like those those guys are not friendly. My my uncle almost got gored
• 36:19
  by a bull. He he just didn't have the full attention that you're supposed
• 36:24
  to have when you're in the barn with it. And he was in in
• 36:28
  the barn, like the bull was in the stall. And my mom always
• 36:31
  said that she and Grandma came home to find him up in the rafters because
• 36:37
  he couldn't come back down because the animal was just as pissed as fuck and
• 36:40
  uh not the language my mom used, by the way. And yeah,
• 36:46
  they he was up there for hours, Like they would they get mad at
• 36:50
  you, they stay mad at you. Uh, and and they will maintain
• 36:53
  attention on you until you are no longer in their sights. And uh,
• 36:59
  you you don't want to get You don't want to get rammed into by one
• 37:04
  of those things that that would be insane. So uh but yeah, so
• 37:09
  basically, uh, men, men store their fat, more of their fat
• 37:15
  around the muscles. Women we store our fat sort of laced through the muscles.
• 37:22
  And uh what that does is when we are doing exercise, it feeds
• 37:29
  the muscle continuously, the whole muscle continuously, rather than you know, us
• 37:35
  having to metabolize the fat at the end afterward to feed the muscles. So
• 37:40
  we get we get support for what we're doing as we're doing it, and
• 37:47
  that is why we have that endurance capability. But at the same time,
• 37:52
  it's it doesn't make for as much physical strength in the moment. So it's
• 37:58
  why as comp compared to men, we may have the ability to do what
• 38:06
  we do longer, but in terms of in the moment, it's definitely less.
• 38:13
  So you can't have the whole whole shebang. You can't have harder,
• 38:17
  faster, longer, and stronger. You get you know, maybe harder and
• 38:24
  longer or faster and stronger, but not all four it once from a woman.
• 38:30
  Men, on the other hand, have a larger heart and lungs,
• 38:34
  and as an asthmatic I are fully recognized. That makes a huge difference in
• 38:38
  what you could do in the moment, right, Which is the funny thing
• 38:42
  about it is it also can affect your endurance. Because I ran cross country
• 38:47
  and track in high school, and I had my limits like I could I
• 38:52
  was an okay sprinter. I was a good hurdler, but there were two
• 38:59
  hurdle races that I ran. I ran the one hundred meter hurdles and I
• 39:05
  ran the three hundred meter hurdles. The hundred meter hurdles I was good I
• 39:10
  could do. In fact, I was the fourth place runner in our league,
• 39:16
  and so I went on to the regionals and then bombed out of the
• 39:20
  regionals, but in the three hundred I could barely finish, So it was
• 39:28
  it was just two hundred more yards, two hundred more meters, sorry,
• 39:31
  and and it was too much like I would have an asthma attack before the
• 39:37
  end of the end of the race. And I even had my rooty moment
• 39:42
  because my classmates saw me like out there dying on the on the track embarrassingly
• 39:49
  and trying to finish anyway, because I'm a stubborn ass. So you could
• 39:53
  hear me breathing in the stands. It was awful, It was. It
• 39:57
  was such a train wreck, and it sounded like somebody trying to saw a
• 40:04
  tree down with one of those saws that takes two people to hold one at
• 40:07
  either end, and you know, and I'm like stumbling along and then jumping
• 40:13
  over the hurdles, which is not how you go over a hurdle, especially
• 40:15
  not one that barely comes up past your knees, right, And all of
• 40:20
  a sudden, I hear my classmates chanting my name from this dance, and
• 40:23
  it's what actually allowed me to finish, because I was going to pass out
• 40:28
  and that just like I get this burst of adrenaline. I'm like, oh
• 40:31
  my gosh, you know they're supporting me because I never thought of myself as
• 40:37
  in any way, shape or form popular. But I was part of a
• 40:43
  team, and my teammates supported their teammate, and you know, they were
• 40:46
  my friends. But in any case, like without oxygen, without enough oxygen,
• 40:55
  one of the weird things that happens, arms would not pump like you
• 41:01
  know you pump your arms when you run. They curled in under my chest
• 41:07
  and my hands wouldn't work. And I thought, gosh, you know,
• 41:13
  I never I don't understand why that happened or anything. So like thirty years
• 41:20
  later, I'm in training for my job and that I do now. And
• 41:25
  we got to have the fire chief from Cincinnati give us a lesson on fire
• 41:32
  safety and what to do because I take care of intill actually disabled adults,
• 41:37
  a lot of them also have physical disabilities. If we end up in a
• 41:40
  situation where the residence is on fire and we have to get people out,
• 41:46
  you know, there's a lot of information that we can have to do that
• 41:52
  that may be different than what you would use to get able bodied people out
• 41:55
  of a house, and people who full understand what's going on, like people
• 42:02
  who aren't necessarily clueless when the fire alarm goes off and you know, aren't
• 42:08
  necessarily panic prone about it. So we're talking about like how to get people
• 42:16
  out when they's smoke, and how to get people out when there's you know,
• 42:21
  heat and so on. And she talked about the importance of being down
• 42:25
  by the floor, but also the importance of getting out quickly because of the
• 42:30
  fire burning out all the oxygen. She's like, we find a lot of
• 42:34
  people that die in fires right in front of the door that would have let
• 42:39
  them out into safety, with their arms pressed in under their chests and their
• 42:47
  hands curled up, because when you're low on oxygen, your body starts depriving
• 42:54
  the furthest appendages from your core and your brain, and so like that was
• 43:02
  a really serious as an attack. Like I literally passed out at the end
• 43:09
  of that while I was still on my feet. And my dad knew it
• 43:15
  too, because I would finish the race and Dad would walk me so that
• 43:21
  I didn't get cramps, and so he's I'm holding on to him, He's
• 43:25
  hold on to me, and we're walking and and I don't remember getting from
• 43:31
  the finish line to where the vice principal came up to talk about how tough
• 43:37
  he thought I was when I at that moment felt like I'd kind of wimped
• 43:43
  out. And I could hear his voice, and I could hear my dad
• 43:47
  say, she can't understand what you're saying. She's unconscious, And that's that
• 43:53
  was kind of when my consciousness started coming back. So he kept me upright
• 44:00
  of my lungs, we get air, and because if you collapse, you
• 44:06
  it's it's like an accordion. You're you're pushing the air out, and if
• 44:09
  you're not conscious, you know, and you're not aware of what you're doing,
• 44:16
  and you end up reducing your capability of getting air. So basically,
• 44:22
  that larger heart and lungs, when we look at what men could do versus
• 44:28
  what women could do, that creates a situation where you try to use that
• 44:32
  short burst of energy and you maintain that short burst of energy during something like
• 44:38
  a hunting trip where you are, you know, chasing something down over the
• 44:46
  you know, over the distance of a few football fields, right and and
• 44:51
  then trying to kill it on top of that, and you're dealing with the
• 44:54
  adrenaline burst from from discovering your prey, chasing after prey, getting into violent
• 45:00
  conflict with your prey and everything. You have to have that oxygen coming in
• 45:07
  and you have to have that oxygen being distributed or you're in danger because if
• 45:12
  you have what happened to me happen in the middle of that, and you're
• 45:17
  up against something the size of a semi truck, you know, height wise
• 45:22
  and as heavy as two or three cars with tusks fighting backs. So you
• 45:29
  don't kill it, you're dead in a second. And so you know,
• 45:36
  the women might be in the background firing arrows, but you're stomped. So
• 45:42
  that's one of the reasons men and their larger heart and lungs would be up
• 45:46
  close as opposed to women. And the greater number of red blood cells also
• 45:52
  contributes to that. Right then the greater absolute muscle mass, more type two
• 45:58
  muscle fibers, creating that those bulkier muscles that are intended to uh to be
• 46:06
  used for that explosive burst of energy that that you know, the throwing,
• 46:14
  throwing the car over when it's on top of somebody, or actually being able
• 46:20
  to uh take a hit as well, something like that. To protect you
• 46:25
  you from you get hit by something large, it doesn't break your bones necessarily,
• 46:34
  increase increased glycogen utilization, uh and uh the testosterone increasing the muscle growth
• 46:40
  all contribute toward uh, the the here and now, as opposed to,
• 46:47
  yeah, we're going to be chasing this thing for a couple of hours.
• 46:52
  And there was an interesting way that I saw this manifest in male and female
• 46:59
  animal in a National geographic production years ago, where you saw a pride of
• 47:08
  lions and how they were living and how you know, the male lions are
• 47:14
  out patrolling for the safety of the pride and everything, and the female lions
• 47:20
  might be resting or gathered together basically around the cubs, but at the same
• 47:28
  time they're keeping watch on a more localized area. And a pack of hyenas
• 47:36
  was just constantly harassing them, just would not leave them alone. And the
• 47:42
  female line is the lions would chase them down and whack them, and they'd
• 47:45
  run away, and you know, and so on and like they chase them
• 47:49
  down again, and you know, when they came back and bite at them
• 47:52
  or smack them or whatever, and they'd run away again, and they just
• 47:55
  kept coming back and coming back. And then then one of the males showed
• 48:01
  up and instead of the hyena staying fairly well out in front and the females
• 48:12
  chasing it for a long time and then knocking it down and it running away
• 48:15
  again, this this male chased this thing down really quickly and then killed it
• 48:23
  with one hit. One shot at it, one paw, bam dead.
• 48:30
  You know, that was it. And yeah, they were all quite brutal,
• 48:36
  right, But the female lions did the endurance work, right. They
• 48:42
  they chased and chased and chased, and they protected their territory and their babies.
• 48:50
  But when it came to actually killing the thing, when it came to
• 48:58
  catching it quickly and exerting enough force to take it out, the male did
• 49:05
  that. And you sort of see that in humans that we have that similar
• 49:12
  Uh. You know, women, women may stick at something for a long
• 49:15
  time, but it's it's a lot of times it's men that will come in
• 49:20
  and see all the deal, especially if it's a a physical, strictly physical
• 49:23
  thing. But so that's that's basically what I learned here. And to explain
• 49:35
  the difference between the two fibers here, there's a paragraph I'm going to read.
• 49:40
  The writers also describe gender differences in muscle tissue females have more Type one,
• 49:45
  or slow twitch muscle fibers than males do. These fibers generate energy slowly
• 49:51
  by using fat, so they're made our type of muscles are made to use
• 49:55
  the fat that is marbled in. Right. They're not all that powerful,
• 50:01
  but they take a long time to become fatigued. They are the endurance muscle
• 50:06
  fibers. Males and contrasts typically have more type to fast twitch muscle fibers,
• 50:12
  which use carbohydrates to provide quick energy and a great deal of power, but
• 50:16
  tire quickly, and so you have when it says quickly, I mean it's
• 50:22
  not necessarily in five minutes, but you're exerting the same amount of energy all
• 50:27
  at once that it might take a woman hours to exert. I don't know
• 50:37
  if that are you. Are you guys hitting what I'm putting out there?
• 50:45
  Yeah, just just sat here thinking I've had to say something that isn't offensive.
• 50:53
  Well, I mean, is it so offensive that it's gonna get us
• 50:58
  in trouble on YouTube? Or you worry about offending the audience. I don't
• 51:02
  know. I'm just pretending I'm paying attention. Oh okay, I was gonna
• 51:06
  say you can't. It's it's kind of hard to offend me. But I
• 51:09
  don't know. So let's see the other thing that they pointed out here,
• 51:19
  And yes, we do have size dimorphism to a degree, like men and
• 51:23
  women. The average height of men is higher taller than the average height of
• 51:30
  women. The average weight of men is heavier than the average weight of men
• 51:36
  women. But compared to most other primates, like there's a significant difference in
• 51:46
  the types of primates that were similar to in comparison to like our size dimorphism,
• 51:54
  So we we have low sized dimorphism as opposed to to that of our
• 52:01
  chimpanzee like ancestors. So even though women did have that capability historically, like
• 52:13
  as you get back to pre humans, it might have been different. We
• 52:19
  we kind of evolved to be more similar to each other than our in our
• 52:24
  pre human ancestors. So, in fact, the strife towards gender equality has
• 52:34
  been going on for millions of years to no avail. Apparently, his feminists
• 52:40
  are still complaining that were the most misogylistic patriarchal species in the world, which
• 52:46
  I'm I think literally couldn't be further from the truth. Yeah, because men
• 52:52
  are like ten percent bigger than women. Well maybe twenty and or something like
• 53:00
  that, which is pretty unusual in you know, the mammal world as far
• 53:07
  as I know, and as we're talking about mammals, and as we're talking
• 53:10
  about mammals like naked but that's yeah, we can't compare ourselves to critics that
• 53:17
  go underground and develop a use social species like termites. The minists are interesting.
• 53:23
  They talk about men like, uh, just with their bare hands,
• 53:30
  all men could kill any woman, and we couldn't do the same to any
• 53:36
  men. And I I, you know, I look back at when I
• 53:39
  was younger and I was actually dating and stuff, and I dated some guys
• 53:45
  that I could pick up and carry. And I did pick one guy up
• 53:52
  physically because he didn't think I could do it, and telling me don't think
• 54:00
  I can do something is a challenge, so yes, so I had to
• 54:06
  show him. But I mean at the time, I was also working as
• 54:09
  a nurse's aide, so you know, I was picking up and carrying people
• 54:15
  on the regular. I don't think I would be able to have to do
• 54:19
  the same thing with the same guy right now, although I would, I
• 54:25
  would be able to if I could get a good grip on the back of
• 54:30
  his shirt control his movements pretty well. There's there's It seems so ironic that
• 54:37
  that there's such an overlap between feminists and vegans. If if humans were a
• 54:45
  vegan species, we we might evolve closer to gorillas. Now, male gorillas
• 54:52
  are something like twice the size of female gorillas, and you have to wonder
• 54:57
  how that would happen. And I guess for what we've learned from from from
• 55:02
  from the show notes here is that the way when hunting is not an issue,
• 55:08
  as it isn't with gorillas because they're just gatherers. Yeah, in that
• 55:15
  situation, the males become huge, hulking beasts compared with the women. And
• 55:23
  although this isn't what feminist ostensibly stated to want, this this is what would
• 55:30
  happen. And I guess there's a lot to talk about as to how happens
• 55:36
  evolutionarily. And I guess it's it's because when there isn't a shared goal of
• 55:43
  hunting, it's it's sort of reverts to the tournament species that that results in
• 55:52
  in this degree of sexual dimorphism. If if there's no longer any evolutionary pressure
• 55:58
  to hunt, then like I were saying earlier. If there's if there's no
• 56:05
  evolutionary pressure to develop bone structure or or or muscle mass, then uh,
• 56:15
  then then bodies develop into the next most important evolutionary pressure, which I suppose
• 56:23
  is is uh, that which pertains to reproductive attributes, which would be whatever
• 56:36
  for for whatever stimulus happens to pertain to what attracts males and females to each
• 56:44
  other, which it turns out, in the absence of hunting is the tournament
• 56:51
  model, which is that I guess they build upon the small differences between males
• 57:00
  and females, and so men become larger because that's what women do, and
• 57:06
  women become smaller because they don't need to become bigger, which which everyone does.
• 57:15
  The fighting over the other over access to the other is going to be
• 57:21
  bigger. That would be the thing that would happen, you know, men
• 57:25
  fighting each other and women sitting back and and clapping for whoever. Women what
• 57:35
  women do is use their upper body strength to apply pounds of makeup and straighten
• 57:39
  their hair. Yeah, they do well, you know, and it's it's
• 57:44
  interesting in our species, you know, the women will fight each other as
• 57:46
  well. And yeah, like I experienced that quite enough. Growing up to
• 57:52
  the two degree, I came from a different kind of neighborhood. It wasn't
• 57:59
  violent like inner city neighborhood violences. But uh, and I've said this all
• 58:04
  the show before, I h I made the mistake of hanging out with some
• 58:08
  rough kids from another community that you know, we were engaged in some illegal
• 58:15
  activities and everything. And I when I, I was really naive about it
• 58:20
  when I started hanging out with them, and when I did find out what
• 58:22
  they were doing and everything, I was invested in friendship with them already,
• 58:29
  and it took me a while to make the moral decision I can't associate with
• 58:32
  these people because it's it's dangerous to my family. But in the meantime,
• 58:38
  a bunch of the girls approached me for a fight and there was violence,
• 58:45
  which and I was. I was violent. I was not nice. Uh.
• 58:52
  I drew blood and broke bones and well a bone like to be specific
• 58:59
  the same. It's not a fun thing to admit. But at the same
• 59:07
  time, I was terrified because I was dramatically outnumbered and I thought I was
• 59:13
  gonna die. And my friend then told them what community I came from.
• 59:19
  And I'm sitting there thinking, oh god, they're gonna come track me down
• 59:22
  later. And I told her, you know, don't, don't tell them
• 59:28
  that they're gonna track me down. And she's like, no, they won't,
• 59:30
  but they ran. She's like, yes, do where she's from,
• 59:35
  they ran, And I thought, what the hell? Because of where I'm
• 59:39
  from, they ran, like, yeah, I grew up in a neighborhood
• 59:44
  where that was like our pastime. We beat the hell out of each other
• 59:47
  for fun. You know, I almost got my uh my cheek torn out
• 59:52
  by another girl once over a plastic and empty plastic fago bottle that we were
• 59:58
  using to get water from the drinking fountain to pour into the dirt in the
• 1:00:02
  sandbox so we could make sand castles. But yeah, girls, girls can
• 1:00:08
  be incredibly violent, and if there's not an adult there to stop them,
• 1:00:13
  they learn the same lessons that boys do about it's more fun to negotiate boundaries
• 1:00:22
  and then honor them and play together nicely than it is to fight with each
• 1:00:27
  other about what we're going to do. And and yeah, that's true.
• 1:00:36
  Francis Maximus says, yeah, where you're from, and the ass what you
• 1:00:38
  put on only two of them, the rest of them I hadn't touched anybody
• 1:00:44
  else, They hadn't touched me. They were just shocked that I reacted that
• 1:00:47
  way to being attacked, and because I don't think they were accustomed to the
• 1:00:53
  girls they went to school with responding that way. But the capacity was there,
• 1:01:00
  obviously, and that was there for all of us, Like I have
• 1:01:07
  just as much capability of descending to that level as any other person. I
• 1:01:14
  just don't like it, and I think a lot of people don't. You
• 1:01:21
  know, we can do it, but it's not it's not fun, and
• 1:01:25
  that's probably why the majority of people grow out of it after their childhood,
• 1:01:31
  where you know, we try to find other ways to make our decisions about
• 1:01:36
  how we're going to do things as a group. But yeah, so the
• 1:01:44
  paper goes on like that about the size difference and the human size difference.
• 1:01:47
  I would say part of one, at least one contributing factor is that we
• 1:01:52
  do have similar rates of violence, even though feminists will tell you we don't.
• 1:01:58
  Different kinds of violence. Yeah, combat is very much a male thing.
• 1:02:06
  Relational violence. Oh god, I was so blindsided by that. In
• 1:02:12
  junior high. The kids I went to elementary school with didn't behave that way,
• 1:02:16
  and then I get to Junior High and all of a sudden, there's
• 1:02:20
  this thing called the rumor mill. I had no knowledge of our way to
• 1:02:25
  navigate. Blew my mind screwed me up for a while too. Uh So,
• 1:02:34
  then they also pointed out that the like when you obviously when you go
• 1:02:39
  hunting. Now you know, we have guns, we have people. People
• 1:02:44
  who who want to give the prey a fighting chance might use crossbows, might
• 1:02:50
  go bow hunting, but we have vehicles to to use to cover large areas
• 1:02:57
  and everything. We don't get up close in person and all with prey anymore.
• 1:03:00
  Even men don't get up close and personal with prey until it's already about
• 1:03:07
  to die. Like, nobody goes out hunting and throws spears or stabs things
• 1:03:12
  to death anymore. Right, so we don't we don't think about it.
• 1:03:17
  But historically before there were a lot of projectile weapons that men were using.
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  In particular, you would have obviously injuries from hunting. Like I said,
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  if you go after something like the size of an elephant, you go after
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  something the size of a moose, and you get up close and personal with
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  it, it's going to hurt you if you let it get into contact with
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  you, and the paper shows have found that there were few or no gender
• 1:03:53
  differences in skeletal trauma patterns in in Neanderthal fossils, So it sort of suggests
• 1:04:02
  that both sexes were doing the same things. Like basically says that men and
• 1:04:11
  women were both getting themselves into circumstances where they might have damage to their bones,
• 1:04:16
  where they might have you know, not necessarily breaks, full on breaks,
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  but fractures or cracks or chips and things like that from impact, sprains
• 1:04:29
  and strains that would maybe also cause bone damage. But yeah, do you
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  know, I have to I have to wonder. It's it's funny to talk
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  about conspiracy theories that that everyone thinks are true but you're skeptical about. One
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  of mine is that humans ever hunted the mammoth, because I really have to
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  wonder. Surely no amount of rocks or arrows that you could ever throw of
• 1:04:59
  fire a mammoth whatever really bring it down. I'm tempted to believe that that
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  humans just waited until mammoths died and and and then they just set about their
• 1:05:12
  corpses. But they were able to use the rocks and bows to fend off
• 1:05:16
  all the other carry and eating predators who might have otherwise eaten those mammoths because
• 1:05:23
  there were so many mammoths around that every now and again one of them would
• 1:05:28
  die. And it's you still see this all over nature, like when something
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  dies in the African savannah, that the animals most likely to claim the corpse
• 1:05:40
  was this big group of hyaenas. This is the worst thing about being a
• 1:05:45
  cheetah. Yeah, you can run down your prey and kill it, but
• 1:05:49
  not you know, not long, not far away, will be a big
• 1:05:54
  pack of hyaenas who can smell that thing you've just killed, and they will
• 1:05:57
  surround you and then you're one cheetahs around about a pack of hyenas and they're
• 1:06:01
  like, fuck off, tickehead, we own this now. And it's to
• 1:06:04
  say with lions, even even even even lions in in in their prides,
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  could occasionally be overwhelmed by even larger packs of hyaenas. This was This was
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  how hyaenas have have always subsisted. They don't bother killing things, They just
• 1:06:21
  they just roam the planes looking for things that have already been killed or have
• 1:06:26
  already died from from from natural causes. Because you know, things do hie
• 1:06:30
  from natural natural causes, and I'm tended to believe this, this is what
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  humans did, especially given their ability to run long distances. They you know,
• 1:06:41
  they can just roam the planes looking for things that have already and it's
• 1:06:45
  only a matter of time and opportunity before they find something that's already died.
• 1:06:50
  And they have the technology to to fend off all the other or all the
• 1:06:56
  other carrier eating predators and go, no, fuck you, this is ours.
• 1:07:00
  Now. We probably had a combination of both, you thinking about it,
• 1:07:03
  because we are our ancestors, sort of, our bodies were not the
• 1:07:13
  only weapon that we had, right and and the things that we made were
• 1:07:16
  not the only weapons that we have. We have other things that no other
• 1:07:23
  animal has. We had a level of sapience that allowed us to outsmart things.
• 1:07:31
  So, for instance, if you stampede heard of something large, there's
• 1:07:40
  there hits a point in a stampede where uh the animals are running, they
• 1:07:49
  don't have an opportunity to go a different direction because they're in the middle or
• 1:07:55
  whatever. So you have uh, maybe a large herd of of you know,
• 1:08:01
  any kind of similarity to moose or deer or elk or caribou or anything
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  like that buffalo type creatures from history, and you get them running and you
• 1:08:18
  can actually herd them in different directions by creating scary noises and views in different
• 1:08:27
  areas around the runners, and the ones on the outside sort of trap the
• 1:08:32
  ones in the middle. You can't change direction if you're one of the ones
• 1:08:38
  in the middle, And if you are in a mountainous area, you can
• 1:08:42
  run them right off of a cliff and then you go down the mountain and
• 1:08:45
  you gather all the meat right or we you know, with with being able
• 1:08:49
  to throw spears and stuff, you can hit it from several yards away.
• 1:08:56
  You can hit it from up in a tree, you know, you you
• 1:09:00
  could. There's a lot of different things you could do that way. And
• 1:09:02
  of course, over time humans invented ways to throw spears farther using a sort
• 1:09:09
  of a sling like device that's made for spears, big big device that's made
• 1:09:14
  to hurl spears farther, and I know the name of it, and I
• 1:09:16
  can't think of what the damn thing is called. But in any case,
• 1:09:21
  like so, there's different things that that we did historically that may have allowed
• 1:09:28
  humans to hunt larger prey like that. So it is possible but it is
• 1:09:32
  more likely that it didn't look like you would see drawn where it was surrounded
• 1:09:40
  by people with spears stabbing at it until it was already dying, and you
• 1:09:46
  were just at that point trying to hasten its death, and at that point
• 1:09:50
  it would be it would still be extremely dangerous. I know it's called a
• 1:09:57
  sling zeranx, but there's another word that's in addition. It's a modifier term.
• 1:10:01
  But I can't think of there's it's more than just because it's not just
• 1:10:04
  for throwing rocks, and I've heard it before. It's no, that's that's
• 1:10:13
  more of a that's for throwing much bigger rocks. And yeah, it's for
• 1:10:18
  throwing much bigger rocks as well, or or other things. But yeah,
• 1:10:28
  and and yeah, very early humans also hunted other humans, but we don't
• 1:10:35
  talk about that very much anymore. But that would be the most dangerous praise.
• 1:10:41
  So so there is that hunting. Hunting might be the wrong word.
• 1:10:45
  They killed each other, they hate each other each other. They would they
• 1:10:49
  would they would quickly discover the nutritional drawbacks, would they not? And they
• 1:10:56
  would have attended like there's there's I'm sure that other creatures were preferable, But
• 1:11:03
  if you didn't have the ability to get another creature, I guess I guess
• 1:11:10
  it does still go on to a yeah, humanoid from another tribe. It's
• 1:11:14
  still it still goes on today with some remote tribes who have apparently not died
• 1:11:17
  out. So yeah, I guess I guess it's one way to deal with
• 1:11:21
  starvation. So so yeah, essentially they have there there's those are the physical
• 1:11:31
  ends of it, right, So they've also see if I can find Yeah,
• 1:11:38
  they looked at is that is that the word you're thinking of at Lati?
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  Yes? I think so. It's a certain kind of advanced snake shop.
• 1:11:48
  I'm gonna have to look that up. Yeah, I think you're right
• 1:11:50
  there. Yeah, that that sounds that sounds right. So there are foraging
• 1:11:59
  tribes today, right, and contemporary is obviously the word they use, and
• 1:12:06
  h they are they talk about, the most cited examples being the ag To
• 1:12:14
  people from the Philippines. Bag To women hunt while menstruating, pregnant, and
• 1:12:18
  breastfeeding. They they might even take their babies with them. They hunt with
• 1:12:25
  the There's there's tribes that hunt with dogs and women hunt with dogs. So
• 1:12:30
  it's it's something that exists today as well. Let's see Albatross also says at
• 1:12:41
  all at all. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, launch a
• 1:12:45
  spear way further than an unaided arm, but I think, yeah, that's
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  right. It's at latt at latt til, like doctor said, is I'm
• 1:12:57
  tempted to think it's South America because it's sounds of me, and I think
• 1:13:01
  it's something that i've heard pronounced the way you said it, not the way
• 1:13:04
  I said it, where the second syllable is emphasized. Uh. But yeah,
• 1:13:17
  So there's been studies of modern tribes that show a much more a much
• 1:13:25
  more egalitarian division of hunting labor, and so that it doesn't necessarily mean that
• 1:13:34
  women had all the same capabilities as men, but women did have cooperative abilities
• 1:13:42
  that allowed them to work together on the same hunting projects, so to speak.
• 1:13:47
  It and that still continues. It doesn't stop. Women women do not
• 1:13:55
  have We have the babies, therefore we don't have to do that as a
• 1:14:00
  valid excuse. It doesn't mean that women don't need men, or that men
• 1:14:10
  don't have greater physical strengths. It just means that women just don't have the
• 1:14:18
  level of excuses that our civilization seems to be designed to presume on our behalf.
• 1:14:29
  So we learn that. First we learn in ancient agricultural communities, women's
• 1:14:33
  arm strengths was historically greater than we'd expect, likely due to demands of labor
• 1:14:39
  done without the aid of mechanical devices. Right, And then we learn that
• 1:14:45
  the theory that established the notion of an historical male hunter female gathered division as
• 1:14:55
  particular, in particular that being very strict of labor ignores compelling evidence of women's
• 1:15:01
  capabilities that indicate women might not have been the weaker sex, at least not
• 1:15:08
  have that as a valid excuse, not as weak as they are nowadays.
• 1:15:13
  It yeah, so far as female neotomy is not as normal as you might
• 1:15:19
  think it is by looking at modern women, there's a certain affectation going on
• 1:15:26
  here. Now, the conclusions I disagree with in terms of the authors of
• 1:15:30
  these papers are that the belief is misogynistic. I think looking at things through
• 1:15:40
  a lens of how we do things today is not irrational. If you don't
• 1:15:45
  have further information, you wouldn't have a context for expecting things to be different.
• 1:15:51
  Right, So it's not so much patriarchal as It is pretty typical of
• 1:16:00
  how humans do when we get evidence, but we don't get all the evidence.
• 1:16:05
  We make assumptions using our own experience as context by which to evaluate the
• 1:16:13
  evidence, and that that just kind of screws us up a lot. So
• 1:16:21
  there we go. But so I don't I don't think that it indicates the
• 1:16:29
  malice that these researchers felt that it indicated, or the stupidity. It's just
• 1:16:34
  a it's just a thing that happens. So the next bit to look at
• 1:16:43
  is, you know, the idea that women just historically couldn't do dangerous and
• 1:16:46
  dirty work. So the article, the next article we are going to reference
• 1:16:54
  here is titled the Scandal of Female Minors in the in nineteenth century Britain scandal
• 1:17:00
  scandal. Oh my gosh, it was scandal. So was scandalous yep.
• 1:17:06
  So this was originally published in the BBC History magazine, and the writer Denise
• 1:17:13
  Bates talked about how a report to the Children's Employment Commission in eighteen forty two
• 1:17:19
  in England exaggerated and even mischaracterized the conditions under which female coal miners worked.
• 1:17:27
  So his the commission had like there are four people on the commission that went
• 1:17:35
  ballistic when they found out about female miners, and they made out like they
• 1:17:41
  were all down there working naked and being harassed by the men, and you
• 1:17:45
  know, all the usual they're gonna rape our women. But they also made
• 1:17:49
  them out to be like heavy drinkers, sexually promiscuous, immoral, low quality
• 1:17:58
  women, Like how does that sound? Who does that sound like modern feminists
• 1:18:08
  do the same thing to us. Yeah, So newspaper coverage to the story
• 1:18:15
  was quite sensationalist. They didn't have photographs back then, so they had they
• 1:18:20
  did wood engravings and they used those to make prints in the newspapers, and
• 1:18:27
  of course they had these engravings that portrayed the women naked in in mud and
• 1:18:33
  sludge and and so on, and just totally scandalized the entire general public.
• 1:18:45
  The commission appointed by Queen Victoria, that evil patriarchal king, I mean Queen
• 1:18:53
  Queen Victoria, instructed to report the situation of workers aged under eighteen. So
• 1:19:02
  they were actually supposed to be monitoring what the children were doing, but instead,
• 1:19:14
  you know, they were horrified to see women's welfare compromised. Went in
• 1:19:17
  there to help child workers in the minds, but they were horrified to see
• 1:19:24
  women's welfare compromised by work that seemed to be beyond their strength. For the
• 1:19:29
  investigators in overstepped and so on, and the commission's report falsely portrayed them as
• 1:19:36
  simultaneously morally inferior and victims of a system that deprived them of their femininity and
• 1:19:43
  their status as homemakers. Oh and their morality. By the way, then
• 1:19:49
  we have the article the women miners in pants. Oh my god, the
• 1:19:55
  pants that was just that was worse than being naked. Being in pants?
• 1:20:00
  Seriously, who shocked? Victorian Britain Natasha Frost writing for Atlas Obscura, and
• 1:20:09
  she also talked about the investigators being scandalized, But they were scandalized because the
• 1:20:14
  workers were not in skirts. They were in pants. Because you know,
• 1:20:16
  if you're going to go down in a coal mine, in the sludge and
• 1:20:19
  the mud and handling big, heavy rocks and in tight places, you should
• 1:20:24
  totally be wearing a dress. I I yeah, no, I look forward
• 1:20:30
  to a future, hopefully not far from here, where it doesn't matter if
• 1:20:33
  you're wearing pants or a skirt. That shouldn't indicate what biological sex you are.
• 1:20:43
  And we've been all around the houses a few centuries, like trying to
• 1:20:49
  insinuate that what biological sex you are is in any way indicated by what you're
• 1:20:57
  wearing. For the longest time, throughout ancient times, for instance, men
• 1:21:02
  wore considerably shorter skirts than women did, and trousers are a relatively recent invention,
• 1:21:12
  and and then and they were enforced upon men a long time before they
• 1:21:16
  were enforced upon women, because they were even more demure, even more conservative.
• 1:21:27
  And it would be great if we were now at a point at which
• 1:21:32
  anyone could wear anything for the sake of convenience or for the sake of comfort.
• 1:21:40
  Yeah, yeah, functionality, and it had no bearing whatsoever on your
• 1:21:43
  biological sex. But we've reached this bizarre point in history where if you wear
• 1:21:49
  anything that reveals your body parts, it means you're a woman. This this,
• 1:21:56
  this is what I've been saying about the fucking trans situation since a long
• 1:22:00
  time before it became such a political hot potato. Why is it that when
• 1:22:08
  men transition to women, they don't just keep wearing men's clothes, They don't
• 1:22:15
  just keep wearing pants and not wearing makeup. Why is it that when men
• 1:22:20
  transition to women they necessarily feel the need to wear skirts and dresses and makeup.
• 1:22:29
  It's it's because it's nothing to do with biological sex. It's it's it's
• 1:22:34
  to do with what they're wearing. Because for whatever reason, these these tertiary
• 1:22:43
  indicators of of of what of what is considered normal dress for any given biological
• 1:22:51
  sex, it's considered more important than what has already been established by genetic biology.
• 1:23:02
  Like we've we figured out what how genetics relate to biological sex fucking one
• 1:23:09
  hundred years ago, give or take, and yet for some reason this wasn't
• 1:23:14
  good enough. We're now at the point where, no, if you want,
• 1:23:16
  if if a man wants to be a woman, it kind of doesn't
• 1:23:20
  matter how he slices up his his genitals and ship. It's far more important
• 1:23:29
  that he wears these articles of clothing that that are tersiarily considered female articles of
• 1:23:36
  clothing. And this was never the point. If I if I showed you
• 1:23:40
  the average man from ancient Greece, you'd be like, oh, that must
• 1:23:45
  be a woman because he's wearing a short skirt, and it's yeah, it's
• 1:23:50
  it's just an indication of how shallow culture has become. With there's there's no
• 1:23:57
  interest in what actually exists, the essence of physical bodies. No one gives
• 1:24:04
  a shit about the ascertainable essence of physical bodies, not even at the level
• 1:24:11
  of genetics. They're far more interested in how you decorate yourself. It might
• 1:24:16
  be a result of the you know, I hate to use the privileged narrative,
• 1:24:25
  but the fact that women in modern society in comparison to men, are
• 1:24:30
  quite privileged, and in fact, the style of dress that women use to
• 1:24:36
  signal femininity signals privilege. My life is so easy. It says that I
• 1:24:45
  can wear clothing that restricts my movement, that will get ruined if I get
• 1:24:50
  it dirty, that will slow me down. If I try to run,
• 1:24:55
  that will make me uncomfortable. If I try to perform manual labor, like
• 1:25:00
  you don't see me going to work in a dress. I'm gonna be down
• 1:25:03
  on my knees scrubbing flo I have knee pads. I wear knee pads sometimes
• 1:25:08
  at work because I'm going to be down on my knees scrubbing floors and toilets
• 1:25:12
  like during most of my shift. And then I you know, I wash
• 1:25:15
  up to my elbows and put that stuff away and am providing care to somebody
• 1:25:20
  who has restricted movement based on health conditions that I'm going to be making up
• 1:25:27
  for that with my balance and my strength. So I can't afford to be
• 1:25:31
  dressing like that. I go to working cargo pants so I have easy access
• 1:25:36
  to things that are in my pockets and so that I have full capability of
• 1:25:44
  movement and everything. I've got stuff hooked onto my belt like it's nothing like
• 1:25:51
  that. And if I worked in a nursing home, I'd be in scrubs,
• 1:25:56
  you know, so that again my movement wouldn't be restricted and I would
• 1:26:00
  have the things I needed, you know. And if if a woman does
• 1:26:06
  an actual job like that, if a woman works in an area where there
• 1:26:11
  is dirt or labor or any kind of you know, you have to be
• 1:26:17
  prepared to be more flexible in your movement or anything like that. She's not
• 1:26:23
  going to work in heels and a skirt. She's not going to be complaining
• 1:26:27
  about the sexist air conditioning. She's going to get overheated just like the men,
• 1:26:31
  you know, and she is going to dress very differently than you see,
• 1:26:40
  you know, sexy office attire that gets written about in women's magazines and
• 1:26:45
  crap like if you don't work in the human resources department, you don't dress
• 1:26:50
  like you work in the human resources department. And women's fancier clothes like you
• 1:27:00
  see you don't see men even dressing at a wedding. You know, where
• 1:27:04
  you're wearing a tuxedo, it doesn't restrict your movement and your use of your
• 1:27:11
  physical strength on the level as say a formal gown or even some of the
• 1:27:20
  dresses that female wedding guests will wear, where they you know the skirt is
• 1:27:25
  too short, you can't bend over in that, or you know your your
• 1:27:29
  movements are restricted by the fact that it's very strappy and and you know you
• 1:27:33
  have to be careful, you know how you move. And I've seen women
• 1:27:40
  do that, wear clothes like that and then fail to to Like we've had
• 1:27:45
  to edit wedding videos that we've done my family photo business back in the day,
• 1:27:50
  where you had to cut out this part or that part of the crowds
• 1:27:58
  for portrayal of the yam c a dance because every time that chick raised her
• 1:28:01
  arms, her tits would come up out of her strapless dress. And I'm
• 1:28:06
  like, I kid you not. She flashed everybody every time Uh, the
• 1:28:12
  the y m C a part of the song came up and did not know
• 1:28:16
  because she was drinking. Like that, that kind of stuff. You see
• 1:28:21
  girls in Hollywood having wardrobe malfunctions all the time, you know, they make
• 1:28:29
  the news. There's all this chick's getting out of the car and everybody saw
• 1:28:33
  that she wasn't wearing any underwear. You know, this chick's boob came out
• 1:28:38
  of her dress. This chick's butt cheek was showing, you know, and
• 1:28:41
  that you don't see that very often with male stars. In fact, I
• 1:28:45
  don't think I've heard of any male stars dress that way. Yeah, informal
• 1:28:55
  activities like going to a wedding or going to a or going to a red
• 1:28:59
  Copet premiere event, men all have to wear the same penguin suit, whereas
• 1:29:06
  women can wear whatever they want, like, which goes to show you that
• 1:29:12
  it's not a case of convenience anymore, because I mean, yeah, or
• 1:29:16
  or a case of of of dressing. I can't think of a better word
• 1:29:20
  than conservatively. Like if it's a formal event in which you're supposed to be
• 1:29:26
  paying your respects, like at a wedding or a funeral, then it makes
• 1:29:30
  sense to dress more restrictively, like comfort is less important than uh, dressing
• 1:29:39
  conservatively, like you need to be respectful. It's not it's not about show
• 1:29:45
  showing your body. Your body is not important your you know your the respects
• 1:29:48
  that you're supposed to be paying are what's important. Whereas working out in a
• 1:29:56
  field or something in the blazing heart sun all the time, that it would
• 1:30:02
  make more sense that you that you would wear some kind of abdomen covering garment
• 1:30:11
  like a skirt, that would that would that would allow you to move your
• 1:30:13
  legs as freely as possible, and and so on and so forth. But
• 1:30:19
  lines are not drawn along along those along those lines, They're only drawn along
• 1:30:27
  gender lines. Women can wear whatever they want for the sake of their own
• 1:30:31
  comfort, whether they're at a funeral or plowing a field, whereas whereas men
• 1:30:38
  have to wear restrictive garments like trousers, whether they're at a funeral or plowing
• 1:30:44
  ship on the field. Well, and there's another respect to this. Women
• 1:30:47
  can get away with wearing clothing that is the main purpose of its design is
• 1:30:54
  to draw attention to the individual wearing the clothing, Whereas when men do that,
• 1:31:00
  they get treated as as you know something untoward. Whether you know,
• 1:31:05
  back in the day when it was pretty consistent in Western society to shame someone
• 1:31:12
  for being gay, you know, you get treated like you were gay if
• 1:31:15
  you wore anything flamboyant and and so now even today, it gets treated like
• 1:31:24
  evidence that you know your sexuality is different, and similarly, you know it's
• 1:31:30
  it's treated as vanity. Women are allowed to display their vanity, whereas men
• 1:31:36
  are much more restricted in how much vanity they can display. They are not
• 1:31:41
  supposed to stand out. And and it's a privilege. It's it's another aspect
• 1:31:45
  of privilege. Women don't have to avoid having attention drawn to themselves because men
• 1:31:56
  men grow up at boys grow up learning that the squeaky wheel doesn't necessarily always
• 1:32:00
  get the grease. Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the ship beating out of it
• 1:32:05
  or gets replaced, and so they don't have that privilege, right Women Women
• 1:32:12
  grow up being told to be the squeaky wheel, and so there is that
• 1:32:16
  aspect as well. And this all comes down to narcissism versus the absence of
• 1:32:25
  narcissism. And it's so frustrating when when people try to describe a malenis and
• 1:32:31
  they're like, ah, it's it's someone who wears a really expensive penguin suit.
• 1:32:39
  I meanwhile, meanwhile, women can dress as whores at funerals and they're
• 1:32:45
  like, well then that doesn't. That doesn't They're fo to wear this because
• 1:32:48
  of the male gaze. And so these these are the these are the extent
• 1:32:56
  of the standards placed upon people. Like men all have to wear painin suits,
• 1:33:00
  but a man who wears a slightly more expensive penguin suit is somehow a
• 1:33:04
  narcissist. Uh huh exactly. And it's it's because of the privileged aspect and
• 1:33:13
  because of the functionality aspect. In terms of like if you if you do
• 1:33:18
  real serious work, you dress for the type of work that you do.
• 1:33:23
  And because while I haven't done anything like coal mining, I have done work
• 1:33:27
  where your clothes get damaged. You have to wear thinker, heavier things or
• 1:33:30
  be you know, content to have holes in your clothes and dealing with an
• 1:33:41
  environment where there may be things that you need to have clothing in between your
• 1:33:45
  skin and the thing that you're working around if you don't want to get hurt,
• 1:33:49
  right, I just I'm skeptical of the idea of just full on nudity
• 1:33:56
  in mining being a constant and common thing because when you go into an area
• 1:34:03
  that is made of rock and full of little sharp bits of rock, you
• 1:34:09
  want something in between your skin and that rock or you're gonna come out of
• 1:34:15
  there all cut up. And that's just the way, that's just the way
• 1:34:20
  the human body works. Our skin does offer some decent protection, but it's
• 1:34:27
  hardly armor. Like it's armor against bacteria, not so much armor against rocks.
• 1:34:35
  But yeah, So the outcome of this inquiry, and this is interesting
• 1:34:42
  because women today will tell you that women were not allowed to work. Historically,
• 1:34:47
  women were forbidden from working because patriarchy, right, So I want to
• 1:34:51
  remind you the evil patriarch, King Victoria, oh, Queen Victoria, was
• 1:34:58
  the person who sent the the people in to look at the mines, and
• 1:35:02
  they weren't even sent in to look at the conditions of the women. It
• 1:35:08
  was the men, I'm sorry, the children, ye know, not the
• 1:35:13
  women. And they were so upset by what the women were suffering and how
• 1:35:19
  hard it was for the women, despite the fact that boys were put in
• 1:35:26
  dangerous positions as well, that they had to do something about this. The
• 1:35:30
  outcome was the eighteen forty two Miners and Collieries Act, which forbade all women
• 1:35:36
  and girls and any boy under the age of ten from working the mines.
• 1:35:41
  So adult women were as protected as as nine year old boys. Ten year
• 1:35:47
  old boys were not as protected as adult women. They would be replaced by
• 1:35:55
  pit ponies, which was expensive. This cost families a lot of income because
• 1:36:02
  it was worthwhile for the mining companies to hire women. They could they could
• 1:36:10
  do things that larger heavier men couldn't do, because they could fit into places
• 1:36:15
  that larger heavier men couldn't fit, but into which they didn't want to send
• 1:36:19
  children. Uh and uh, Now they would have to send boys to do
• 1:36:28
  those things, or they would have to send mules in to do some some
• 1:36:31
  things pit ponies, which would be I. I kind of wonder if that's
• 1:36:39
  where some of the smaller breeds of ponies came from. I haven't looked into
• 1:36:43
  that though. And and then that that law came about, right, Uh,
• 1:36:48
  so that totally stopped women from working into minds right and No, So
• 1:36:56
  the penalty was small enough that some women were still illegally employed below ground,
• 1:37:01
  especially as mine owners often passed this cost on to the women themselves. They
• 1:37:08
  paid them under the table, right, they didn't. Nobody was allowed to
• 1:37:13
  know they were in there, so they couldn't complain if they didn't get paid
• 1:37:15
  sufficiently. So this, this damaged family's income. This didn't get women out
• 1:37:24
  of the minds. They still continue to do this work. So many of
• 1:37:30
  the sex based biological conditions that would stop women from having anything to do with
• 1:37:33
  military service were not only not universal, may have been very far from it.
• 1:37:41
  You know, women in recent history been far more likely than men to
• 1:37:45
  be exempt from any sense of obligation to do those jobs. But apparently it's
• 1:37:51
  not because they couldn't. It's not because they were incapable, it's not because
• 1:37:58
  it was too much for them, but because elites in their society felt they
• 1:38:02
  shouldn't have to do them. Right, So, what's the final nail in
• 1:38:09
  the coffin for women's sex based excuse for why, just uniquely, the female
• 1:38:17
  franchise should have no connection to military obligation. So I found a few articles
• 1:38:26
  discussing this. Archaeologists making assumptions about the sex of dead in ancient burial sites,
• 1:38:32
  again based on the context of modern divisions. Right, so they look
• 1:38:40
  and they see, they see grave goods, that if a modern woman was
• 1:38:50
  buried with these things, it would be it would be weird, would be
• 1:38:55
  more likely that a modern man would be buried with these things. So they
• 1:38:58
  assume the skeleton is versus some grave goods that you would expect a modern woman
• 1:39:04
  to be buried with. They assume the skeleton is female. And then DNA
• 1:39:12
  testing has advanced to the point where they can even if there's very little of
• 1:39:17
  the skeleton left and is badly degraded, they can they can test the enamel
• 1:39:23
  and find out, oh gosh, that was actually the opposite sex we thought
• 1:39:27
  it was, And then they found one that was just kind of interesting.
• 1:39:31
  So June twenty twenty two article from I hope I'm pronouncing this right, Leading
• 1:39:38
  University titled research into Grave Goods sheds new light on traditional roles. And this
• 1:39:45
  is all out of Northern Europe. So I'm going to butcher some of the
• 1:39:54
  things that I'm going to be reading here. But Reacher researchers studying the Elsloo
• 1:40:02
  grave field in Limburg that they were they found flint, arrowheads and stone axes,
• 1:40:13
  traditionally attributed to men, were also frequently found in women's graves. So
• 1:40:17
  they found the things that are used to hunt and the things that are used
• 1:40:23
  to fight these grave goods turned out to be less gender specific than previously thought,
• 1:40:30
  and it sort of indicates that what we've believed to be what we know
• 1:40:34
  about the division of the gender division of labor, that is definitely not the
• 1:40:41
  full picture. It may not right. Yeah, well, there are ancient
• 1:40:46
  bodies, there are gender idealogues that are trying to assert that actually, which
• 1:40:55
  I am, I'm skeptical of that. I'm I'm more likely to belie believe
• 1:41:00
  that gender roles were not as strictly enforced as we have previously believed. But
• 1:41:10
  you're yeah, that conclusion has been stated. And I did run across at
• 1:41:14
  least one picture or one paper that took that perspective throughout all of this study.
• 1:41:24
  We have that one. We have another paper called Archaeology Sexual Revolution by
• 1:41:30
  Ida Emilie Steinmarck. This was a Guardian article reporting on this, but it's
• 1:41:36
  reporting on research found the DNA analysis analysis of bone or dental pieces up ended
• 1:41:43
  previously accepted assumptions related to a variety of grave sites. So it's not just
• 1:41:47
  like one location. They found multiple bodies in multiple locations where they thought this
• 1:41:58
  was a guy or a galley and oops, know we were wrong. It
• 1:42:01
  was actually the opposite sex. Then there was one highlighted in Uh an article
• 1:42:10
  by James Rogers, researchers confirmed Viking warrior found in grave was actually a woman.
• 1:42:19
  According to the article, artifacts found in the tenths in a tenth century
• 1:42:23
  grave on the Swedish island of Uh. I think that's pronounced biorco. Yeah.
• 1:42:30
  So if if you grew up during the eighties thinking a whole whole island
• 1:42:39
  of of Chibby singers, but in any case, yeah, tennis players.
• 1:42:46
  Uh. But yeah, this, this, this artifact indicated a high status
• 1:42:55
  Viking warrior, right because of there are the grave goods indicat did a high
• 1:43:00
  status Viking warrior? Because of this. For over a century after the grave
• 1:43:03
  was discovered, the interred was presumed male. This is from the study.
• 1:43:11
  And I went and I looked at the study, and the article was pretty
• 1:43:15
  accurate in terms of reporting what they said in the study, what they found
• 1:43:20
  in the study, and what the conclusions of the study were. There was
• 1:43:24
  opinion in it from the writer that I'm not going to go into because it's
• 1:43:30
  not really relevant to me. I'm more interested in what the academic had to
• 1:43:34
  say on this one. But in any case, twenty seventeen DNA analysis proved
• 1:43:42
  this to be wrong. And according to the researchers who did the analysis,
• 1:43:45
  the simple and secure conclusion is that we have the right individual who was buried
• 1:43:53
  alone, and that this individual has been proven to be biologically female. Now,
• 1:44:00
  initially when they did the DNA testing, there was controversy over this.
• 1:44:02
  It was assumed that they either tested the wrong body or that the individual was
• 1:44:09
  buried with another person. But there was no actual evidence of of these things,
• 1:44:15
  and the chain of custody of the tissue that they tested, the teeth
• 1:44:24
  that they tested, didn't allow for it to be the wrong person. So
• 1:44:28
  this this was definitely a female, high status Viking warrior. But it goes
• 1:44:34
  on. There's there's more. According according to the article, uh this this
• 1:44:44
  woman lived as a professional warrior. So she wasn't just a woman who,
• 1:44:47
  you know, did something one time like this. Was she was a soldier
• 1:44:51
  in other words, and she was buried in a martial environment as an individual
• 1:44:59
  of rank, So she wasn't a grunt. She was a high ranking soldier.
• 1:45:03
  According to the article, the woman was buried in elaborate clothing, and
• 1:45:09
  her grave contained a stunning array of weapons, including a sword, an axe,
• 1:45:15
  twenty five armor piercing arrows. This one was a badass. She had
• 1:45:19
  a fighting knife, two lances, and two spears. She was also buried
• 1:45:23
  with two horses, underlining her high status in Viking society. And interestingly,
• 1:45:29
  she was a gamer, which this is common with high status Viking warriors.
• 1:45:36
  Bag of gaming pieces was also placed in the warrior's lap, and a gaming
• 1:45:42
  board was propped up beside her skeleton, So they actually had strategy games that
• 1:45:51
  they played, you know, during their pastime. That would be be a
• 1:45:57
  mental exercise for the equivalent of officers in modern military who would make battle plans
• 1:46:04
  and give orders and and make decisions that were life and death for the people
• 1:46:10
  under them. And this is what she was buried with. I'm not sure
• 1:46:15
  if I should take a bridge with the term Viking society. People are confused
• 1:46:21
  people of confused Viking as as a kind of demographic. It wasn't a Viking
• 1:46:28
  was like a pirate, like like a marauder. The Vikings were Gnrdic people
• 1:46:36
  who who got on long boats and and and sailed across the seat. Take
• 1:46:43
  over other lands by by by dare I say raping and pillaging the Viking was
• 1:46:49
  more of an occupy than and ethnicity, So to say Viking society is what
• 1:46:57
  it's not an impossible marriage of words, but it's it's so often misused and
• 1:47:04
  misappropriated, as you always have to wonder what people are talking about. Say
• 1:47:10
  this, and Vikings were almost always exclusively male, and if there was one
• 1:47:19
  female on board that long boat, then she would have been passed around like
• 1:47:26
  an ashtray. There were obviously Nordic women who were part of the initial pillaging
• 1:47:38
  of those societies, but they usually weren't sent over and in the in the
• 1:47:42
  initial longboats. They were sent over on the next blave of longboats in order
• 1:47:47
  to colonize their society, and they did, they quite successfully did. The
• 1:47:56
  male actual Vikings probably would have insane lit on it at one point so as
• 1:48:02
  so as to keep the Nordic ethnicity alive. But yeah, this, this
• 1:48:09
  all gets this all gets muddied whenever you hear someone describe Nordic people as vikings.
• 1:48:19
  What I think was meant to be said there was her high status in
• 1:48:23
  Nordic society, but I don't know. I don't. I don't know.
• 1:48:28
  The things that she was buried with, according to the the study that was
• 1:48:33
  done on her grave, actually indicate military service. She wasn't just high status
• 1:48:42
  as like I don't know a member of a family or something like that,
• 1:48:46
  where there was a man that was high military status. If that had been
• 1:48:51
  the case, he would have been buried with these things. So this would
• 1:48:59
  be and and yeah, I think the reason that the term Viking society gets
• 1:49:06
  used a lot is because Nordic society was pretty much engaged in in this as
• 1:49:16
  a civilization. And that's it's partly why a lot of people from from various
• 1:49:27
  European nations if they do their get their uh DNA test and will find out
• 1:49:31
  that they actually have some degree of Nordic genetics or Northern European genetics that that
• 1:49:43
  came from those conflicts, you know, or you know, from immigration following
• 1:49:48
  those conflicts, like the the idea that people are likely to be purely English
• 1:49:57
  or purely French or purely Spanish, like you look at somebody like me,
• 1:50:02
  I have all of those in my genetics, and and the Spanish was a
• 1:50:08
  surprise, like I knew I had, I knew I had Norse ancestors.
• 1:50:15
  I knew, in fact that I have ancestors that were were would have been
• 1:50:21
  called pirates, and ancestors that would have been called vikings. So I like,
• 1:50:27
  I I get my capacity for violence, honestly, but I'm splitting hairs.
• 1:50:33
  It's like it's it's like saying Americans are descended from Pilgrims. It's true,
• 1:50:40
  but uh, Pilgrims. Uh, Pilgrims are not a race. No,
• 1:50:47
  they happened to describe the kind of people who who began the descendants if
• 1:50:55
  you see what I mean. Yes, Pilgrims are not a race. But
• 1:50:58
  uh, the the Pilgrims to the United States were mostly of the same area
• 1:51:09
  background, if that makes sense. Yeah, so so there is that and
• 1:51:16
  but but yeah, so an n wife who asked if I'm a descendant of
• 1:51:23
  Eric the Viking. I don't know if I'm a descendant of Eric the Viking,
• 1:51:26
  but I do know I am a descendant of Black John the Pirate.
• 1:51:30
  So there there was literally a nickname for my my pirate ancestor, and that
• 1:51:36
  was actually not a pirate from very ancient ancient times. This was a relative
• 1:51:45
  that my my grandmother was not allowed to stay home when he came to visit
• 1:51:49
  during her childhood. So there you go. But yeah, my my grandfather's
• 1:52:00
  ancestors on my mom's side of the family were traced back to to uh,
• 1:52:08
  Norway and Sweden. And then also I have to remember anyway, there were
• 1:52:24
  three different areas. So yeah, but uh, and then when I got
• 1:52:29
  my DNA tested, I found that. I also that the DNA test came
• 1:52:34
  back and said Iberian, and I am like, what's that? So I
• 1:52:38
  look and and that's that's from Spain. I have I have nothing in my
• 1:52:44
  family tree that explains that. So so you could draw whatever conclusions you want
• 1:52:50
  from that, being that this is the men's rights movement. I know a
• 1:52:54
  few different ones that could be. One one possibility I considered was that somebody
• 1:52:59
  had to lie about where they were from, because if they maybe were wanted
• 1:53:05
  from from, you know, something they did that they would they would not
• 1:53:11
  tell people who they were and where they were from. When they fled or
• 1:53:15
  if they were unwanted, they would also maybe not tell people who they were
• 1:53:20
  and where they were from. Uh. You know, I'm I'm also of
• 1:53:26
  slight Gnaudic stock, hence the name Stevenson, especially spelled so yeah, I'm
• 1:53:31
  I'm also descended from rapists and villages. Yep, and I think a lot
• 1:53:35
  of a lot of Europeans probably are because uh, you know again, when
• 1:53:43
  a battle takes place and all the men are killed, the women kind of
• 1:53:47
  joined the the culture that was the winning culture. They don't, you know,
• 1:53:53
  to spare their lives. They just marry into and assimilate into the the
• 1:54:00
  other culture. So even if there wasn't as much raping as there was killing,
• 1:54:09
  killing, pillaging and burning, there still would have been interbreeding and by
• 1:54:16
  the by the defeating population and the defeated. But in any case, this,
• 1:54:24
  this woman in particular that they found shoes, was not a an individual
• 1:54:30
  who just came over on the second boat, because they wouldn't keep a commander
• 1:54:35
  back for the for that, she had to have been somebody who was expected
• 1:54:44
  to be tough. She would have been expected to be a heavy decision maker.
• 1:54:48
  She would have been expected to fight, you know, and so on.
• 1:54:55
  But that may have been typical of any given woman. They were.
• 1:55:00
  They were tough people. Yeah, so so yeah, then we have,
• 1:55:08
  you know, back to the archaeology sexual revolution article. Steinmarck also highlighted two
• 1:55:14
  examples of Viking graves which contained each one skeleton but had been presumed double burials.
• 1:55:23
  What archaeologists like to do if they can't reconcile the evidence with their preconceived
• 1:55:30
  notion is assumed there is a missing body, rather than assuming that they are
• 1:55:35
  missing other information. Uh, and so this is this is not an unusual
• 1:55:43
  thing here. They contained burial goods indicating both sexes. And that's why so
• 1:55:49
  one couldn't be tested because the skeleton has since been lost to time. But
• 1:55:54
  the the writer cites the opinion of Gareth Williams, the curator at the British
• 1:56:00
  Museum, that it probably contained a sword wielding woman because there were strict taboos
• 1:56:04
  against wearing anything that could be seen as effeminine for Viking men. And you
• 1:56:13
  think about it, if you're a pirate, Pirates are essentially criminals, and
• 1:56:18
  when it comes to conflict with other countries, the country that you are in
• 1:56:23
  conflict with is going to view you as a criminal as well. So whether
• 1:56:28
  you consider the Viking raid pattern to be a war on the surrounding areas by
• 1:56:36
  the residents of one particular area or a pattern of criminality. Either way,
• 1:56:45
  the men who are the majority of perpetrators, doers, victors, whatever,
• 1:56:54
  are going to have to look tough, masculine, strong, undefeatable, right,
• 1:57:03
  not pretty and appealing to everybody and pampered and privileged. So if you
• 1:57:15
  had things that were, you know, just girly things, they wouldn't have
• 1:57:21
  touched them with a ten foot pole because it would take away their their street
• 1:57:25
  cred or their sacred right, and that that that would have probably evolved into
• 1:57:36
  a level of maybe violent response from other people. So the other was assessed
• 1:57:47
  by a team led by Olla I think this is Moylanin from the University of
• 1:57:55
  Turku, Finland. DNA analysis showed that the skeleton found buried in female dress
• 1:58:00
  with swords had been that of a person with x x Y chromosomes. It's
• 1:58:06
  Kleinfelter syndrome, which the writer supposed probably looked no different than your ravage X
• 1:58:17
  Y male. But klein Flower syndrome can make you look a little different from
• 1:58:21
  average. For instance, sorry, it could make you a little kurvy.
• 1:58:28
  It can make you have like bigger breast tissue, It can make your face
• 1:58:31
  look a little more delicate. So that might not be the the that might
• 1:58:35
  have been a bad assumption like any any other kind of like any other kind
• 1:58:42
  of intersex condition. It's extremely rare, like even rarer than anything we can
• 1:58:50
  draw up as a kind of transsexual person nowadays. Is intersex people are I
• 1:58:57
  mean literally not point, not not one. I think that's the right amount
• 1:59:01
  of zeros. The chances of such a person being preserved by by history and
• 1:59:10
  not just rotted by the worms and such is. I mean, you've got
• 1:59:15
  to take no point, You've got to take not point, not not one,
• 1:59:18
  and multiply that by the chances of any given body being preserved despite the
• 1:59:31
  the harshness of the nature in which in which they're buried. And that's I
• 1:59:35
  don't know how many zeros that is, but it's zero point zero zero there
• 1:59:41
  is. The chances are vanishingly small that that's that such a person would be
• 1:59:47
  preserved by nature. And I guess it is possible. I guess if if,
• 1:59:53
  if, if, if that particular condition facilitated their ability to stand out
• 2:00:05
  from the crowd, then they might be given a hero's burial. Yeah,
• 2:00:12
  but I don't I'm struggling to see how they would determine this just from the
• 2:00:18
  bones. Well, again, this was DNA testing. They found DNA analysis
• 2:00:25
  found the Kleinfelter syndrome in this this man, and in they found that the
• 2:00:32
  Viking burial was female, so basically that would be they found no Y chromosome
• 2:00:42
  in that one. So so basically, yeah, it's it's possible that that
• 2:00:49
  this individual looked masculine, h fully masculine, because that does happen as well
• 2:00:56
  with with clients. You can have Kleinfelter syndrome and not find out until you
• 2:01:02
  go for fertility treatment because you couldn't conceive and or just never find out if
• 2:01:09
  you decided never to have kids. But then there are cases where it's more
• 2:01:15
  obvious and you know, you might find out in childhood. There are other
• 2:01:21
  things that occur with it. So it's and again I would imagine that this
• 2:01:28
  individual probably had to be particularly respected for other things accomplished in some way or
• 2:01:39
  an other in order for this to have been tolerated, because otherwise it would
• 2:01:45
  have probably resulted in mistreatment just because you know, breaking breaking gender norms of
• 2:01:53
  the time. But what's interesting is, you know, for an individual who
• 2:02:02
  uh maybe had a had less of the hallmarks of masculinity in their build,
• 2:02:10
  their capabilities and everything to be able to do that, it still indicates that,
• 2:02:15
  you know, again, women don't have a whole lot of excuse.
• 2:02:19
  So we've seen female warriors. We've seen warriors that weren't the most masculine reaching
• 2:02:28
  levels of prestige and accomplishment. So you know, the issue, the issue
• 2:02:35
  at handen becomes Yeah, a lot can be ascertained from what we currently understand
• 2:02:43
  about ancient cultures. A lot can be ascertained by the available evidence and filtering
• 2:02:47
  it through modern beliefs, modern experiences, modern thoughts and ideas. But then
• 2:02:56
  DNA testing comes along and shakes up some of these conclusions. Right, DNA
• 2:03:02
  testing comes along and says, oh, that that actually was female, or
• 2:03:06
  that actually was uh, you know, we might not have been looking at
• 2:03:11
  codin the Barbarian. We might have been looking at a guy who was a
• 2:03:15
  little softer and yet still still managed to do this. And as a result,
• 2:03:23
  we can't assume that the evolution of social and civic obligation and military military
• 2:03:32
  obligation was organically gendered. Right that it may be, There may be other
• 2:03:41
  contributing factors. It may have nothing to do with who could do what and
• 2:03:45
  everything to do with m more cognitive like people people coming out and saying,
• 2:03:55
  Yep, we we've decided based on our our social attitude. Dud. It's
• 2:04:00
  based on the evolution of our our politics, you know, based on what's
• 2:04:06
  maybe convenient for us, Uh that that we're going to do it this way
• 2:04:11
  and sacrifice the men and not the women. And it may have been a
• 2:04:15
  conscious choice, not a natural one, you know, Like I hate to
• 2:04:23
  call a conscious choice unnatural, but it's the term natural versus unnatural gets used
• 2:04:30
  a lot to describe the difference between things that happened without human interference and things
• 2:04:38
  that happen because of human interference. Interference. So it doesn't prove that women
• 2:04:45
  can do everything men can do and there are no gender differences. It it
• 2:04:51
  does prove that we may not know everything we think we know about gender roles
• 2:04:56
  and ancient cultures. Uh, that that at least some women were leaders,
• 2:05:00
  at least some hunted, at least some were warriors. And while it doesn't
• 2:05:04
  mean that these cultures were full on egalitarian, does indicate that when we talk
• 2:05:13
  about the evolution of men's suffrage and we talk about how that is related to
• 2:05:19
  military service, right, and we talk about the later evolution of women's suffrage,
• 2:05:30
  and spoiler alert, it was not it was not related to military service.
• 2:05:36
  We have to consider the fact that it wasn't a matter of necessity that
• 2:05:45
  women's suffrage was not attached. Women had that exemption from obligation. It wasn't
• 2:05:54
  a matter of incapability. It wasn't a matter of one sex being naturally disposable
• 2:06:00
  in the other sex being naturally never disposable. Uh, there had there had
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  to be other contributing factors. The research that I found doesn't give the level
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  of information we would need to draw conclusions on what those other factors were.
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  Just the you know, it was the choice more than than the imposition of
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  nature, the choice of the so called chauvinistic, misogynistic women oppressing patriarchy to
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  not sacrifice women like men were sacrificed. So that's that's basically my uh my
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  show notes in a nutshell, big nutshell, two hour nutshell. But but
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  yeah, and as far as the reporting on the study goes, I know,
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  I've got some people echoing genetic fallacy in the in the chat the they
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  linked to the studies. I could go look at the studies. So what
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  I've included in my my report on the articles comes from the studies, right,
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  And like I said, I don't agree with all of the writer's conclusions
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  and of the articles and things like assuming that the the man with with x
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  x Y syndrome just was like any looked like any other guy. Things like
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  that don't necessarily, uh, they're not guaranteed, right, And and it
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  cannot be assumed that because we found one high ranking warrior woman buried given a
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  given a burial of honor from among Vikings, that half the Viking military,
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  half the military or fighting force from from northern Europe was women, or anything
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  like that. But it does show that the capability was there. It does
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  show that there wasn't. Biology was not an excuse to exempt women from those
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  expectations, especially as we got farther into the future from that point in history
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  and we had better weapons and better methods of protecting and and medically treating the
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  injured and so on, like there's there's just no excuse. So there you
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  go, and you know, it's just like it's it's it's generally true to
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  say that women in general, uh, aren't quite as self responsible or self
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  accountable as men generally. But here we are on Honeybudger Radio. Well,
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  we have many examples of exceptions to that rule, but the exceptions neither prove
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  nor disprove the rule. We have to look at the general trends, and
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  when future historians dig up all of these YouTube videos, they're going to look
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  at ContraPoints to the philosophy tube and say, look, women were just as
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  accountable as men. They're going to ignore how unaccountable those true needs were,
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  and they're going to completely ignore the actual biological women we have here and unvedger
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  radio, because that's inconvenient to the narrative. The more things change them mother
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  day the same. Well, the sad thing is we will probably like in
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  the United States, we've been trying for the last thirty years to hash out
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  whether or not military obligation has to be gendered. And we came really close
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  in the last few years to answering that question, and it was taken to
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  the Supreme Court. National Coalition from mended At It was argued before the Supreme
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  Court, and the Supreme Court was like, we can't make a decision on
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  that yet because Congress is addressing it and the Court does have a history of
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  not usurping Congress's lawmaking power, so they tossed it back to Congress, and
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  Congress is like, we're not going to make a decision on that yet,
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  So the lawsuit is sort of back on and and we'll have to wait and
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  find out what the court says since Congress withft, but there have been other
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  countries. There are other countries where in the military service is expected of both
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  sexes and it is at least more egalitarian than the United States, if not
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  full on, like properly labeled as a galitarian. And it works, right.
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  It's something that they've been doing for quite some time, so it's not
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  as though they started it just a few years ago, and it's an experiment
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  to see if it will work or not. It does. It's just that
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  we have this in Western society. We have this idea that we should protect
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  the women, and I think it would be better if we didn't, not
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  because I want women to get killed in war, but because I think war
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  would happen less under that circumstance, and because I think that women might be
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  a little more mindful who they vote for if it was their asses on the
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  line. So I know that, do you guys have anything else to add?
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  What if we just protected each other. I mean, I don't know
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  along bout lines. I don't want to go old John Lennon on your and
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  and say whatever they would know about. But you know, what if what
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  if we did what we could to protect each other in terms of let's say
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  whoever's closest to us. We can't protect all eight billion of us, but
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  you know, let's let's let's restrict things to what is realistic. We can
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  protect our families, we can protect our friends, we can maybe even protect
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  those of us in the same country as us, or in what could be
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  called the same culture as us, but we can't. We can't proclaim to
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  protect all women. And in the meantime, we go men what we don't
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  need to protect them, even though it's four billion of them. That that
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  that seems to be the wrong place at which to do the line, because
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  you're protecting more people than you can possibly protect, and you're not even protecting
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  the men in your own family. That's that's that's a funks our place to
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  do all the line. Yep, very much so. And sadly you know
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  it will take I think women having to step up and be at risk at
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  least close to as much as men, for women to realize that, because
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  apparently, when it's their fathers, their brothers, their husbands, their sons
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  at risk, they don't. Women can protect men. I think that's that's
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  that's a moral of the story that I would like to try and get because
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  as obvious as it sounds to you and I and all of us and everyone
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  listening, it's it's not even rudimentary to an alarming amount of people out there.
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  What women protecting men? No, no, it's not obvious to trad
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  cons. It's not obvious to feminists or any any of the people in between
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  who have been infected with this messandric contagion. Everyone knows men should protect women.
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  Yes, no one's ever disputed that. But what about the idea that
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  women can protect men? Why the fuck not? Why not? Tell me
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  why not? And why is that revolutionary? It wasn't. In my neighborhood
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  when I was growing up, somebody picked on my brother, They picked on
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  my brother and me just the same as if somebody picked on me. They
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  picked on me and my brother. And that was that way throughout my entire
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  childhood, like we stood by each other. And I don't know why people
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  can't do that. Rather, I don't know why women can't do that for
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  men, because you see a lot of men doing that for women. Men
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  will do that for each other, and women will do that for each other,
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  but it's not as often that women do that for men, and we
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  should. The world would be better. I believe that it would be harder
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  for politicians to make war, it would be easier for the medical profession to
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  make healing UH, and and everything in between would change similarly. But but
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  that does take women stepping up, and women would have to prove they have
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  the strength and the integrity to do it. So it's it's a big ask
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  and you know, depending on on the women and the society. So I
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  guess that the question to becomes is our society too far gone for that?
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  And UH. In the meantime, I am still putting together, like the
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  timeline for for next for the next episode, I didn't like forget about that.
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  I just didn't want to get into that without establishing this first, because
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  when we look at that timeline, you know, there there's still a lot
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  to relate military service to UH to suffrage coming up, and and I wanted
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  the difference in trajectory between how voting rights evolved for men and how voting rights
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  evolved for women. Uh, to be viewed in the context of what we
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  want understanding we gained this week. So uh, with that, I'm going
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  to go into we don't have a lot of super super chats and super chows,
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  but we have Meredith g gave us five dollars at the beginning and said,
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  HBr talk three oh four honey for the Badger Badgers. Uh yeah,
• 2:17:31
  and this is the unmodified show. But uh, then we have Albert Nada
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  retro gave us episode or gave us two dollars Canadian and said episode three oh
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  four ha haa three oh four ketchup women most affected, and we do not
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  have any rumble rants. An he paid rumble rants, but uh uh man
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  got Cup points out what I'm talking about sounds like reciprocity, and uh and
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  then then sort of MUCKs feminists reciprocity. That's basically feminism. But of course,
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  if if it was feminism would have taken entirely different paths on everything than
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  than they actually did. So there you go. Well that thanks to my
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  two codes for sticking out the long sausage. This one was kind of long
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  because I didn't want to split this into two shows, so I could have
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  I could have stopped halfway through, but I didn't. And thanks to everybody
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  for listening and for the great discussion uh in the in the chat. There
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  was a lot of very thoughtful discussion that took place in the chat. So
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  that was that was kind of neat and interesting. I kept getting distracted because
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  I kept watching, and I thought, you know, I don't want this
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  to become the hand of replies to the chat show. But I think that
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  there's a lot more to discuss on this topic. But I think more evidence
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  is needed to draw any further conclusions than biology is not what kept women from
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  being as obligated to to civic duty and military service as men. It's it
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  has to be more complicated than that. Like, I don't think there's anything
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  more that we can add, so but thanks again. Now, it's the
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  fact that girls are raised to not consider how they affect others, and or
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  they're allowed to forget when they pass a certain age, or the more terrible
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  option is when girls become women, they consider the best way to hurt men
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  is how they could otherwise protect them. See Amber heard, Yeah, it
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  might be a combination of all of those. Actually why it's not showing up
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  on restream But for some reason, zerox is super Chow. Oh this is
• 2:20:05
  a super chow that's why not super chat Okay, and yeah, sorry about
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  that. My headphones are driving me nuts. Girls are raised to be narcissistic.
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  There isn't a better way to put that. Like, it's it's sad.
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  It's harmful, particularly to the people that they're going to affect in their
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  adult life, especially men. It's harmful to their children and their future children
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  if they have any. And it's it's not really beneficial to the girls either.
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  And it's not normal. No, this is what we need to get
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  across people. It seems normal, but it's not because it's normal. It's
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  because it's been normalized. Yeah, and you can you can denormalize it.
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  And it's kind of important too, because narcissism is a stumbling block to success.
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  It's a stumbling block to the success of the people around the narcissist who
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  are going to be continually sabotaged by the narcissist, And it is a stumbling
• 2:21:16
  block to the narcissist who is going to fail at all of the characteristics and
• 2:21:24
  behaviors that are required for success. So it detracts from the experiences of everybody
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  involved in the person's lives, and it just has to be the dumbest thing
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  that we have incorporated into our child rearing. So we raise girls to be
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  narcissistic and we raise boys to put up with it, and it's like raising
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  raising our children to be codependent and to be saddled into relationships where the female
• 2:22:03
  partner is abusive. It's not fair to anybody and needs to stop. But
• 2:22:15
  d meantime, so does the show. So not that it needs to stop
• 2:22:20
  permanently, but it does need to end sometime tonight. So with that,
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  I am gonna take us out. Thanks again to everybody for listening and participating,
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  and thanks to everybody who worked in the background to make HBr Talk happen.
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  Good night all, See you next Thursday. See you next Thursday.