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SMNTY Classics: Women in Modern Medicine · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to Stuff
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  Speaker 1: I Ever Told You production. I Heart you, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another classic Today we are bringing back one on
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  Speaker 1: women and modern medicine. Unfortunately, this has been on my
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  Speaker 1: mind a lot because we are seeing a lot of
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  Speaker 1: misinformation and dispreparation around health in the United States. I
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of friends who work with governmental health
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  Speaker 1: organizations that have been impacted by all of these things,
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  Speaker 1: So it's just been something on my mind. I know,
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  Speaker 1: we talk about vaccines and here and things like that,
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  Speaker 1: so it's something that is a big part of our
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  Speaker 1: conversations we're having right now. So that being said, please
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  Speaker 1: enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: I come to staphone never told your protection of iHeart
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  Speaker 1: Radio SD Samantha. Today, I have a two part question
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  Speaker 1: for you. I think we've already talked about the first one,
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  Speaker 1: but were you ever interested in a career in medicine?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Actually I started out my college career with the
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  Speaker 2: idea that I was going to be pre med. I
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  Speaker 2: knew I was going to be pre med. It also
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  Speaker 2: went along without wanting to be a missionary. But I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't going to be a missionary without being actually helpful
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  Speaker 2: and actually saving lives hopefully. And then as I started
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  Speaker 2: doing all of my medical courses slash all of the sciences,
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  Speaker 2: I realized how bad I was at that and I
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  Speaker 2: barely passed chemistry, and I was like, let me find
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  Speaker 2: another way to help.
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  Speaker 1: What was your goal? What was your how are you
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  Speaker 1: envisioning at working in that field.
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  Speaker 2: I was envisioning becoming a general practitioner, being able to
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  Speaker 2: co out in service and travel and help communities. I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking, you know, obviously traveling abroad where there's less access,
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  Speaker 2: and I wanted to really be helpful. Probably doctors without
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  Speaker 2: borders would have been my route m h and all that,
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  Speaker 2: thinking that I would be poor and hopefully you know,
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  Speaker 2: going out in the world and helping. That was what
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  Speaker 2: I was envisioning.
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  Speaker 1: I see, I see, I see, Okay. And the second
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  Speaker 1: part of my question is are you or were you
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  Speaker 1: ever big into like medical TV shows?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I think I got caught up
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  Speaker 2: an er for a little while, and maybe it was
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  Speaker 2: the soap opera bit that I liked George Clooney. Who
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  Speaker 2: doesn't love George Clooney at that point in time, But
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  Speaker 2: I did watch that for a little while. Scrubs really
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  Speaker 2: really enjoyed Scrubs. Who doesn't love people being self hating
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  Speaker 2: as well as saving lives and having some heart?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I did you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't really, but I did. I loved Scrubs
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  Speaker 1: and to this day, like I can quote Scrubs. I
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  Speaker 1: have the soundtrack. I was a huge Me and my
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  Speaker 1: friend group, we were really into Scrubs and it's funny,
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  Speaker 1: like one of my favorite episodes is the episode where
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  Speaker 1: they make fun of House, and I'd never seen House,
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  Speaker 1: so I didn't get half the jokes, but I still loved.
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  Speaker 2: I'd watched a few episodes of House and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get too caught up in that. But yeah, I did
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  Speaker 2: you talk about soundtrack? I have to know have you
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  Speaker 2: watched any of it streaming since the original?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I owned the DVDs, so.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't watched it streaming because they changed some music
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, share or whatever. But because I watched
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  Speaker 2: it so much, I knew what music would win, And
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  Speaker 2: now watching it on streaming, I'm like, wait that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's not how that goes.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, Samantha Supernatural, A lot of those
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  Speaker 1: songs and not the same, and I'm always like, no, See.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one blessing that I do have is I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that you.
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  Speaker 1: Can't Yeah, you can't compare, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: But with Scrubs I did because I was in that
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  Speaker 2: Netflix era of getting the DVDs. Yeah, oh yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: I would watch all the Scrubs through Netflix subscriptions and
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  Speaker 2: now comparing it to our streaming network and the fact
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  Speaker 2: that songs have changed, like it, it's so notable that
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  Speaker 2: it distracts me from the rest of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, music is a really big part of that
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  Speaker 1: show exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, that's why I got a sound dressed. They're
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  Speaker 1: so good.
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  Speaker 3: I remember when was it Gray's Anatomy and Scrubs both
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  Speaker 3: had an episode in the same week that had the
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  Speaker 3: phrase how to save a life and people were arguing
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  Speaker 3: about who used it better.
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  Speaker 2: But the scripturally used it for like a split second
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  Speaker 2: of like, no, not that song anyway. Are we talking
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  Speaker 2: about this because I keep talking about.
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  Speaker 1: That's for shured probably so to me. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about women in medicine, and specifically modern medicine because
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  Speaker 1: more and more people are getting the vaccine, which is
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  Speaker 1: very exciting. Yes, And yeah, we wanted to highlight some
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  Speaker 1: of the more recent accomplishments of women in this field.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, we've done episodes on women in nursing and
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  Speaker 1: medicine before, also women's pain being dismissed on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of that. But we wanted to showcase some women
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  Speaker 1: that you might not have heard of doing some really
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  Speaker 1: amazing things in the field of modern medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and we're all about giving flowers to those that
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  Speaker 2: are still with us today, Yes, but we wanted to
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  Speaker 2: start out with some numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So throughout history and despite obstacles, women have been behind
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  Speaker 2: medical innovations around blood transfusions, organ transplants, and all a
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  Speaker 2: lot of areas in reproductive health, says, the medical field
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  Speaker 2: has long ignored women. Women, of course, have had to
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  Speaker 2: make do for themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and while there are still disparities in terms of
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  Speaker 1: gender and race in the medical field, more and more
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  Speaker 1: women are entering it and shaping it at all levels
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  Speaker 1: and professions. Numbers from twenty fifteen indicate that in the
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  Speaker 1: United States, one third of active physicians are women, half
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  Speaker 1: of all new medical graduates are women, eighty eight percent
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  Speaker 1: of nurse practitioners eighty three percent of nurses and sixty
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  Speaker 1: three percent of physician assistance. We've also talked about how
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  Speaker 1: women in medicine are more likely to experience issues around burnout,
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  Speaker 1: wage gap, discrimination, lack of mentors, maternity leave, and toxic environments,
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  Speaker 1: among other things, which are all issues that need to
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  Speaker 1: be addressed and also not isolated to the medical field.
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  Speaker 1: But definitely a lot of articles, especially during the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: have been written about burnout in particular, so that is
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  Speaker 1: something that we need to keep an eye on. But
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  Speaker 1: all right, let us start our list of women with
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  Speaker 1: doctor Kismechia Corbette or doctor Kizzy Corbett.
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  Speaker 2: Who is a great Twitter followed by the way, if
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  Speaker 2: you haven't started following her, she's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: You should follow her absolutely. She is a thirty four
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  Speaker 1: year old black woman who has been at the forefront
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  Speaker 1: of the fight against COVID nineteen. Corbett is one of
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  Speaker 1: the top scientists working on who has been working on
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  Speaker 1: a COVID vaccine for the National Institutes of Health. She
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  Speaker 1: and her team worked with pharmaceutical company Maderna to pioneer
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  Speaker 1: an mRNA vaccine, and this is a vaccine that has
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  Speaker 1: an efficacy rate of over ninety percent. Recently, when doctor
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci was asked about the input of African American
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  Speaker 1: scientists on the vaccine, Fauci responded, the very vaccine that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the two that has absolutely exquisite levels ninety
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  Speaker 1: four to ninety five percent efficacy against clinical disease and
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  Speaker 1: almost one hundred percent eficcy against serious disease that are
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  Speaker 1: shown to be clearly safe. That vaccine was actually developed
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  Speaker 1: in my institute's vaccine research Center by a team of
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  Speaker 1: scientists led by doctor Barney Graham and his close colleague,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Kismikia Corbett r Kizziy Corbett Kizzy is an African
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  Speaker 1: American scientist who's right at the forefront of the development
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  Speaker 1: of the vaccine. Doctor Corbett's talent, determination, curiosity, and empathy
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  Speaker 1: manifested from a young age, and she secured awards and
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  Speaker 1: monetary funding for her university studies, and she got a
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  Speaker 1: spot as an intern at the National Institutes of Health.
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  Speaker 1: For her PhD, she studied immunology and microbiology while also
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  Speaker 1: working as a research assistant studying viral infections. In twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: she took a post doc position at the NIH's Vaccine
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  Speaker 1: Research Center. In January twenty twenty, doctor Corbett received an
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  Speaker 1: email from one of her coworkers basically telling her and
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  Speaker 1: her teammates to buckle up that their training was about
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  Speaker 1: to be put to use, and yes, yes it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 1: Oh got Yes. Doctor Corbett has spoken about her experience
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  Speaker 1: as a black woman, a doctor and the importance of visibility.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like it was necessary to be seen and
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  Speaker 1: not to be a hidden figure, so to speak, she said.
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  Speaker 1: I felt that it was important to do that because
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  Speaker 1: the level of visibility that it would have to younger
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  Speaker 1: scientists and also to people of color who have often
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  Speaker 1: worked behind the scenes and essentially who have done the
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  Speaker 1: dirty work for these large efforts towards a vaccine. This
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  Speaker 1: person who looks like you has been working on this
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  Speaker 1: for several years, and I also wanted it to be
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  Speaker 1: visible because I wanted people to understand that I stood
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  Speaker 1: by the work that I'd done for so long as well.
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  Speaker 1: And she's also been really vocal about the disproportionate impact
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  Speaker 1: of COVID on black communities, and I think every woman
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  Speaker 1: on here we could do a whole episode on like
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  Speaker 1: we're doing kind of a brief bio in these but
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  Speaker 1: her story is really inspiring and fascinating. And also Maderna
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  Speaker 1: is the vaccine that I am getting. So also by
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  Speaker 1: Dolly Pardon, Yes, that was a legitimate reaction to.
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  Speaker 2: So many good things that And yeah, doctor Corbett has
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  Speaker 2: also been keeping a kind of thread on her Twitter
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  Speaker 2: about her presenting about the vaccine and she has been
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  Speaker 2: a really big proponent in talking to the black community
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  Speaker 2: about what the vaccine is. And because let's be honest,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of distrust when it comes to medicine
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  Speaker 2: in the black community. Rightly so, yeah, rightly so, and
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  Speaker 2: they should be suspicious and I would be suspicious. I
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  Speaker 2: am suspicious sometimes, I mean for sure. But she has
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  Speaker 2: been on the forefront and trying to talk about it
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  Speaker 2: and how it is important and what she did and
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  Speaker 2: making sure that this vaccine was safe and also that
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  Speaker 2: it was accessible. So kudos to doctor Corbett. And now
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  Speaker 2: we want to move on to doctor Rachel Sneersen born
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  Speaker 2: in Warsaw, Poland in nineteen thirty two, who earned her
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  Speaker 2: medical degree from Hadasa Medical School at the Hebrew University
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  Speaker 2: in Jerusalem, and she was best known for her work
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  Speaker 2: on the Himophilus influenze type B or hib which is
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  Speaker 2: a bacterium that was one of the principal causes of
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  Speaker 2: meningitis and pneumonia and responsible for over three million serious
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  Speaker 2: illnesses and over three hundred and seventy five thousand deaths
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  Speaker 2: in children around the world. She came to work as
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  Speaker 2: an instructor at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine for
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  Speaker 2: the Department of Pediatrics and the Laboratory of Imminology. There
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  Speaker 2: she met doctor John B. Robbins, who would move on
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  Speaker 2: to the Division of bacterial Products in nineteen seventy four
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  Speaker 2: and then came back round to the National Institute of
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  Speaker 2: Child Health Development or the NICHD in nineteen eighty three,
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  Speaker 2: and it was during this time doctor Schneerson and doctor
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  Speaker 2: Robbins were able to help create the vaccine through use
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  Speaker 2: of conjugates, which helped make the vaccine safer and more
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  Speaker 2: effective for younger children and as young as I believe
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  Speaker 2: two months old, and this process of conjugating would later
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  Speaker 2: be used to help create other vaccines for diseases such
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  Speaker 2: as whooping cough, typhoid, and certain types of malaria, in
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  Speaker 2: even anthrax, and through her work she has received many
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  Speaker 2: different awards such as the Albert Laskar Clinical Medical Research
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  Speaker 2: Award in ninety six, the World Health Organization Children's Vaccine Initiative,
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  Speaker 2: Pastor Award, Infectious Disease Society of American Citation Award, and
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  Speaker 2: was also elated to the NICHD Hall of Honor, and
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  Speaker 2: she was eventually named as head of the Section of
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  Speaker 2: Vectial Disease, pathogenicis and Immunity with doctor Robbins and finally
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  Speaker 2: retired in twenty twelve. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of awards.
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  Speaker 2: They saved a lot of lives and yet, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: the disease is fairly pretty much eradicated and has not
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  Speaker 2: been seen by the new medical field that they have
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  Speaker 2: not seen it since then.
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  Speaker 1: Dang, Well, we have some more women we want to highlight,
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  Speaker 1: but first we have a quick break for word from
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  Speaker 1: her sponsor. Am were back, Thank you sponsor. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: now let's talk about Mary Geynan. Her story is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe I hadn't heard it before. So after
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  Speaker 1: earning her PhD in physiology, graduating from John Hopkins University
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  Speaker 1: School of Medicine, and completing a residency, Doctor Geynan began
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  Speaker 1: working at the Centers for Disease Control of Prevention in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, and this is when only ten percent
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  Speaker 1: of medical graduates were women. She started out in the
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  Speaker 1: Epidemic Intelligence Service or the EIS, which is often described
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  Speaker 1: by her too as the Medical FBI, where she studied
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  Speaker 1: global disease outbreaks. She was the only woman of thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine physicians. Through this, she helped out on a smallpox
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  Speaker 1: eradication campaign and for her work, the World Health Organization
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  Speaker 1: awarded her the Noble Order of the Bifurcated Needle in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. What a name, I tell you what
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  Speaker 1: the name. But all of this was after her application
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  Speaker 1: to volunteer with india smallpox eradication program was denied twice.
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  Speaker 1: She was told it was because the World Health Organization
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  Speaker 1: and India weren't really looking for women to volunteer. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So Guynan asked if India's Prime Minister at the time,
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  Speaker 1: who was a woman, knew about this. And after that,
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  Speaker 1: after Guidan was like, asked about that, and then she
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  Speaker 1: was like, let me speak to your manager. She was
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  Speaker 1: given a spot on the Operations Smallpox zero team and
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  Speaker 1: apparently an elephant became a part of their effort for
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  Speaker 1: transport over flooded rivers. I really wanted to go way
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  Speaker 1: in depth into this, and I was like, Annie, we
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  Speaker 1: have to make this one episode. At the time she
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  Speaker 1: started researching sexually transmitted diseases. She went back to the
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  Speaker 1: CDC two years later in nineteen seventy eight, to work
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  Speaker 1: in the Veneural Disease Control Division as a clinical investigator.
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  Speaker 1: Do her work in this field, she became known as
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  Speaker 1: a national expert on genital herpes, which happens somewhat accidentally.
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  Speaker 1: The media sometimes called her doctor Condom or doctor Herpes.
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  Speaker 1: She basically she appeared in an interview where the chiron
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  Speaker 1: below her was like std expert and she did not
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  Speaker 1: know what was going to say that, and then every
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  Speaker 1: other news outlet contacted her. It was like, we need
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  Speaker 1: you to come talk about this. She was worried about
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  Speaker 1: the reaction of her religious conservative mother when appearing on
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  Speaker 1: TV to discuss sexually transmitted diseases. Apparently her mother never
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  Speaker 1: even said sex, but after watching her on sixty minutes,
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  Speaker 1: her mother allegedly said, congratulations, dear, your hair looked very nice.
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  Speaker 1: Such a mother.
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  Speaker 2: Mother thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't want to touch on these other subjects.
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  Speaker 1: But your hair looks good.
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  Speaker 2: It's wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And guy didn't even turned down that appearance
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  Speaker 1: on sixty Minutes because she was kind of frustrated with
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  Speaker 1: the media's coverage of STDs sdis and also she was
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  Speaker 1: worried about her mother, but the CDC pressured her into
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  Speaker 1: doing it, and she once said after reporter asked her
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  Speaker 1: if you could get AIDS from a toilet seat quote,
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  Speaker 1: the only way that I know you can get AIDS
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  Speaker 1: is if you sit on it before someone else gets up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She was full of those kind of comments. Doctor Gynan
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  Speaker 1: attempted to draw attention to the AIDS epidemic in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, but found that the media was reluctant to
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  Speaker 1: cover it since early reports seemed to suggest it mainly
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  Speaker 1: impacted the homosexual community. She, along with the CDC, worked
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  Speaker 1: to raise support awareness around AIDS. Doctor Geyan set up
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  Speaker 1: the CDC's AIDS Task Force. Because of her work, she
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  Speaker 1: was promoted in nineteen eighty four to the CDC's Associate
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  Speaker 1: Director for the Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases, and she
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  Speaker 1: became the CDC's first female Chief Scientific Advisor From nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety to nineteen ninety five, she acted as Chief of
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  Speaker 1: Evaluation for the country's HIV prevention program. She's a founding
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  Speaker 1: d at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas School of
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  Speaker 1: Public Health and has done extensive research into childhood leukemia.
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  Speaker 1: Her work with AIDS was the topic of the book
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  Speaker 1: and later HBO documentary and the band played on. Apparently,
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  Speaker 1: she is only in one scene in the movie, where
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  Speaker 1: she is baking a cake. Guynan said of this, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't know how to portray a woman scientist. In twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: she published the book Adventures of a Female Medical Detective
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  Speaker 1: in Pursuit of Smallpox and AIDS. Wow, that's a great title.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I want to read it.
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  Speaker 2: I want you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get it. Maybe a book club, yes, think about
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  Speaker 2: how that would translate to a book club. But and
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  Speaker 2: next we're going to talk about Julie Linn Wong. Doctor
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  Speaker 2: Wong not only is a physician and public health specialist,
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  Speaker 2: but she is an expert in robotics and space medicine.
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  Speaker 2: The Harvard and educated doctor has made history by combining
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  Speaker 2: her knowledge of robotics technology with my medicine. In twenty eleven,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Wong founded the three D four MD with the
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  Speaker 2: idea of using three D printers, solo powered and easily
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  Speaker 2: portable to print healthcare supplies in remote communities, and by
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  Speaker 2: creating affordable three D templates, it would help create low
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  Speaker 2: cost medical supplies on demand. And it's so small it
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  Speaker 2: can fit into a carry on bag for easy travel
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  Speaker 2: from global areas that are hard to get to to
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  Speaker 2: even space. Dumb, dumb, dumb, that's so cool, right, And
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  Speaker 2: speaking of space, doctor Wang was selected to participate in
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  Speaker 2: a thirty days simulated mission at NASA's Johnson Space Center
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  Speaker 2: in honor of the thirtieth anniversary of the Space Shuttle
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  Speaker 2: Challenger tragedy. Wong served as the mission's flight engineer, and
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  Speaker 2: then in twenty seventeen, astronauts actually used a three D
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  Speaker 2: printer for medical supplies using her blueprints from three D
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  Speaker 2: four MD, so they were able to actually create like
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  Speaker 2: finger splinters and all of that while in space, which
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  Speaker 2: what I know. And by the way, my partner, who
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  Speaker 2: loves three D printers and has three, was very excited
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  Speaker 2: when I started talking about this, and she didn't stop there.
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  Speaker 2: She founded the Medical Makers, which is a network to
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  Speaker 2: bring others to build and use their skills and creativity
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  Speaker 2: to continue to fight for humanitarian issues and build sustainable
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  Speaker 2: solutions through technology all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: I love this. I feel like that's another great example
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  Speaker 1: of when you specialize in a thing, like, don't limit
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  Speaker 1: yourself to that one field, right, it can work in
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  Speaker 1: different spaces.
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  Speaker 2: And also she seems to be the overachiever that I'm
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  Speaker 2: scared of that. I'm like, oh my god, You're the
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  Speaker 2: one everybody talks about that can do everything.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be scared. Don't be scared. We do have a
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  Speaker 1: few more women we want a spotlight, but first we
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  Speaker 1: have one more quick break for word from a sponsor,
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  Speaker 2: And earlier in the episode, we talked about the amazing
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  Speaker 2: works doctor Corbett did that helped develop Maderna, but we
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  Speaker 2: also wanted to look at the biologists that laid down
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  Speaker 2: the groundwork to help develop that, as well as the
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  Speaker 2: Pfizer Biointech vaccine, which is doctor Katie Courico and doctor
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  Speaker 2: Perico originally came from Hungary, moved to the US in
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  Speaker 2: her early twenties, and though she's now being recognized for
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  Speaker 2: our titleist work, she was barely making it through in
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  Speaker 2: the world of academia until recently, and like me in
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  Speaker 2: the field, she had difficulty in getting both funding or
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: even being properly compensated for her work. As a colleague
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  Speaker 2: stated quote, when your idea is against the conventional wisdom,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that makes sense to the star chamber, but it's very
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: hard to break out. But today she's being recognized for
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: her breakout studies in mRNA, which is the quote genetic
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  Speaker 2: script that carries the DNA instructions to each sales protein
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  Speaker 2: making machinery. Just to give an next one. And thanks
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  Speaker 2: to her continued work with mRNA, she has helped create
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  Speaker 2: a path to these different vaccines. And doctor Vacci stated, quote,
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  Speaker 2: it has already transformed COVID nineteen, but also other vaccines HIV,
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  Speaker 2: and people in the field are excited influenza, malaria, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: he's talking about how it's going to help create vaccines
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  Speaker 2: for these different things. And doctor Carico never held back.
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  Speaker 2: She was known for her intensity and dedication in working
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  Speaker 2: on her research. Her husband talked about how she was
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: constantly working, whether it was night and day or even
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: the weekend, and he actually broke down her pay as
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: being less than a dollar an hour. For all the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: time she has been on it, but apparently she just
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: didn't care about the money. It was about her work.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: She earned her PhD at the University of Sega, then
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: moved to Philadelphia in nineteen eighty five to continue her
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: research at Temple University, and she did continue throughout her career,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: though she would be rejected and continually overlooked. She worked
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: with different colleagues and different avenues until finally she and
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: doctor Weisman were able to show progress in their work
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  Speaker 2: were able to get grants from both Maderna and Biointech,
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  Speaker 2: and on November eighth, the testing showed that the mRNA
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  Speaker 2: that she's been studying actually offered powerful immunity to COVID nineteen,
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  Speaker 2: and she and doctor Weisman were able to get their
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  Speaker 2: vaccine publicly during a press conference on December eighteenth of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and she was applauded as well as he
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: was by their peers when they made the announcement, Hey,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the people who helped create this vaccine is here. So
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: they were given a round of applause by their coworkers,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and she apparently celebrated with just the box of goobers,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: which she ate all by herself. Not really sure why
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that was the way they put it. I guess maybe
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: she wasn't able to And she told her husband that
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  Speaker 2: it worked, and her response was I thought so. I
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: thought that was really fun because it just seemed like
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: she had been working so hard, to the point that
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  Speaker 2: she had changed hands essentially of who was working with
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: her and her advisors, and she never stopped. Even people
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  Speaker 2: were like, this is not working. We don't care, she
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  Speaker 2: believed yeah, and because of heart, we were able to
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: get a vaccine so quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think because there's been some publicity obviously
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: about people who have been working on the vaccine, and
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: so stories about her have come out recently, and I
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  Speaker 1: feel like she really wants an HIV vaccine, Like that's
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  Speaker 1: what is.
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  Speaker 2: Right driving her. Apparently, during one of her conversations with
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  Speaker 2: one of her staff members that she was working with,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: said can you get a vaccine for HIV? She's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I can do that, and she has and I think
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  Speaker 2: she continued to work for that. So that's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very determined. So now let's end with doctor Francoise
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  Speaker 1: Barre Sinoussi, who won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Medicine in twenty eighteen quote for their discovery of human
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  Speaker 1: immuno deficiency virus. Born in Paris, France, in nineteen forty
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  Speaker 1: seven at doctor Barret Sinusi loved nature from a young
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  Speaker 1: age and in her words, her path was determined largely
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: by what her and her family could afford. She's started
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: volunteering at Paris's Institute Pasteur, and by nineteen seventy five
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  Speaker 1: she had earned her PhD. In nineteen eighty three, she
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: along with Luke Montaigner, discovered the retrovirus that would later
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: be called human immuno deficiency virus or HIV, which has
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: proven to be the cause for AIDS. That year, she
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: was the first author on the paper that reported on
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: this discovery. She'd been researching retroviruses since the nineteen seventies.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: She headed up her own lab at the Institute Pasteur
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, where she launched several programs looking
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: into HIVAIDS, including vaccine research. She is in charge of
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the Regulation of Retroviral Infection unit at the Institute Pastor
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  Speaker 1: in Paris, where she's also emeritus professor. She was elected
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to the French Academy of Science in two thousand and nine,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and from twenty twelve to twenty fourteen she became President
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of the International Aid Society. She's been prolific when it
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: comes to paper as well, authoring or co authoring over
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy original publications and lots lots of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: lots more. Her discovery and part led to the development
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  Speaker 1: of life saving drugs that saved millions of lives. However,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: more than thirty eight million around the world live with
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: HIV and not all of them can get treatment. So
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: doctor Barra Senu C's work continues as well, which I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: think I feel like we see in all of these
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  Speaker 1: women this dedication and determination and just to say, I
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: know that we didn't always put the doctor before their name,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: but it's there. The respect is there. Respect. Honestly, this
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  Speaker 1: is amazing. We're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: The amount of achievement that they've done, the amount of
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: work and blood, sweat and tears. I can't imagine that
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: they've had to do and even to fight to be
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: there and to be hard. Yeah, and the fact that
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: they had to work to be taken seriously and continue
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to have to work to be seen even is a
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: whole other conversation yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Level of impact they've had on our everyday lives, often
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: unnoticed or unspoken about, is really it's amazing the work
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: that they've done. We could definitely go further in depth.
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