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The Lung Transplant Journey told by Chip's Family · Mental Health and the Mission of the Church

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: He stayed so calm, but I know there had to be moments where that was just terrifying because we had been holding on to this being the end result was a transplant that would give us more time when things did get their worst.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: When we thought that might be off the table, it was hard to consider that possibility.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_02: Trying to balance that the honesty of this is really scary with but I really don't think this is the end.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm trusting God that this is not the end.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: There's definitely a back and forth.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't feel like that was gonna be the last time I was gonna see him.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't feel like we had complications ahead.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Dome loved him and did all that I could and should do if it was, but uh, I felt pretty confident that he'd be coming back out and be in a better spot.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: But of course it's not a choice you would ever make to take that from someone else for your benefit.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we're we're super grateful, and I'm so so glad that we're in the position we are after someone else's loss.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_05: And the next morning, when they allowed me to go in to see him, she said, Would you like to hear his new lungs?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I said, Yes, I would.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_05: And the difference was indescribable, just so clear, and it just made the gift even more real to be able to hear that, and just so grateful.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: All right, everybody, Chip has two new lungs.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Here is an episode with his wife Colleen, two daughters, Ruth and Nicole, and son Brian, on how things went with the transplant and how each of them was personally impacted by seen a spouse and a father suffer so much.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: And how it is on the other side of a very happy and faith-filled story.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Joey Spencer, friend of Chips, and you're listening to his family on his podcast.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: Mental health and mission of the church.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: I need to let all of y'all know, if y'all don't know this, uh Colleen knows, but uh you you three, your father picks on me mercilessly.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're gonna be able to do it.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then he welcomes me in his office to counsel me.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of like same here, tearing me down and then building me up with counseling books.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_03: Quite a business model.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so for our listeners who cannot see y'all, let's actually try to help everyone familiarize themselves with y'all's voices.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so we'll start with Colleen.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead and introduce yourself.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: For for people who may not even know who you are.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we got a lot of listeners here, so go ahead and introduce introduce yourself.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, I'm Colleen, and I'm Chuck's wife.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_05: And uh, we've been married almost 49 years now.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: 49, wow.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_05: We've been on this journey.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, moving on to Brian.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I'm Brian.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: I am the favorite of the three.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I knew it.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: Being my wife, Crystal, um uh been married for, I don't know, 11 years.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this year will be 11 years, and we have our nine-year-old uh Felix is our one and only.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: All right, tell me the order of you guys as far as I'm the I'm the baby.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you want to tell you my age?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Birthday?
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love it.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to hear your age.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: How old are you?
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 41.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: 41.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: No less.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've got you by six years, so I'm 41.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm old.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: Colleen, you want to tell yours?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: 71.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: No shame.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_02: Throwing us all under the bus because obviously the rest of us are older than him.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Ruth, how much older are you than me?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: Than you?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: How old did you say you are?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm 47.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, actually, I'm I'm not.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm uh about to be 45.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm the middle.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in Texas and I have my been married for almost 10 years to Brady, and then we have um four kids ranging from 20 to 5.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dang, 20.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: I say dang like that, but I've got an 18-year-old.
• 4:15
  unknown: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, 20.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, 18.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Nicole.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: So the old the oldest child.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: Are you older than me?
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_03: Nope.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_03: I think we're in the same club.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_03: 77?
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 77, August 15th.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: How about you?
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_03: August 9th.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh within a week.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm the oldest, and I would say I'm the favorite, Brian, but we'll just go with most responsible.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: And you and you are in France, right?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I'm in France.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_03: We've we moved here for my job um about eight years ago almost.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_03: And my husband and I have been married 19 years almost, if I'm doing the math right.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_03: And we've got two girls as well.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_03: They're 15 and 12.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: What time is it over there?
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: It is just after nine.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: For our listeners, it's three o'clock in the afternoon here on the East Coast.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, well, y'all's Christmas was a different kind of Christmas.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: I I am curious before we get into some details about Chip's journey from y'all's vantage point and what was what it was like to see your your dad and your husband suffer in the way that he suffered, and uh at the same time, you know, just so much to celebrate.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: But what was what was Christmas like?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: It was all in the hospital for the most part.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: Did y'all celebrate afterwards?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh tell tell me about it, Colleen.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_05: Well, all of the kids were here.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um, some of the spouses made the sacrifice to stay behind and keep things running at home in Texas and France.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_05: But um, Crystal was with us and little Felix, but we uh we were in the hospital.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Nicole and Ruth came in and they stayed at our condo and did lots of cooking and shuttling back and forth and and Brian bringing in meals and hanging out with us.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_05: It was uh it was definitely a different Christmas, but it was a Christmas miracle.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: What day did the actual transplant happen?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: When was the transplant?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_05: December 20th.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_05: We got the call on the 19th, and the actual transplant occurred on the 20th.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: On the 20th, gotcha.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna jump in for a second and say, you know what, I am a typical middle child.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: I was just forgotten about again because I was actually not there on Christmas Day.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_05: Ruth flew home on Christmas Eve and came back the day after Christmas.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_05: But Brady stayed back for you to come the rest of the time.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: I had all my kids here.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_05: She didn't.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_05: No, she didn't.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_05: For most of the time I did Ruth.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just giving you a hard time.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: I was just waiting.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to hear all of y'all's perspectives of all of these questions, but I also just want it to be a fluid conversation where everybody feels welcome to jump in and not necessarily have to answer.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, there's a lot of people listening that care about chip, and I just thought it would be Chip texted me a couple hours ago and said, Hey, should I join at the end?
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, let's just hear from your family, and and then because I want to, you know, hear Chip's perspective uh probably next week.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: So what has been the journey for you guys like personally?
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I would say even going back to when his health just took a really bad turn for the worst, like in the last year.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously we've known about the you guys have known about the diagnosis for a super long time, but just seeing your dad suffer in that capacity and then take us on up to current day, just how has it been like for his kids and and his wife?
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh sure, I'll jump in, be at the favorite.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm a surrealist myself.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I kind of determined that when uh my grandfather passed away many, many, many, probably 25 plus years ago, um, Vance, my mom's dad.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um things just don't really settle in as fast.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: It takes me a very long time to wrap my brain around it, um, even something uh as serious as death.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um so for this to have come up and be as serious as it was, um, not to get ahead of myself by any means, but I think, you know, there's a a fear that takes over immediately.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, you you kind of hope that dissipates and you come out the other side and go through the rest of the uh emotions, um, which, you know, I call it the surrealist call it uh, you know, God give me a little break uh on the fear part because uh could use it.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um I was able to come out and you know, once around you know, once you get on the list around Thanksgiving-ish, I think, is when uh when all the fear kind of went away.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, this is back up against the wall.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is the only way you gotta go.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: So this is where we have to do it.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now I I'm uh I'm assuming you three I I don't want to make any assumptions.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think you guys all share similar faith, like as far as Christian faith, like belief in God and and all that.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: Were you, Brian, on like did you feel like your heart was aligned with what Chip and Colleen were saying that hey, we don't we don't feel like this is the end of the road.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: We feel like God has like were you taking that in, or was it like, you know, that's y'all's faith.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I I hope y'all are you're right, sort of thing.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you probably it it's not it's not to the latter, right?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I I would say that my uh Christianity path has been different for sure.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but that's for a way another podcast.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um I still have faith, hope, all of these things.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yes, I had faith that things were going to work out and knew that they would, you know, I had the same faith based that of course God wasn't done with them yet, and we got to to keep them here on the earth for a little while longer.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, so I guess to answer your question, you're probably somewhere in the middle.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone else want to speak into that personally from your perspective?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to hear it.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_05: I would have to confess that I experienced faith and fear through this whole process.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_05: Um, when things started to take a dive, I mean, it this whole several years have been an emotional roller coaster for us.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_05: And uh there were days when I felt like my faith was strong and everything was gonna work out, and then there were days I was scared out of my mind.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_05: You know, there were times that even when we would pray, Chip would say, I feel like God's told me it's gonna be alright.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_05: And he was very confident and assured, but he said, I feel like it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_05: And uh and it did.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_05: So I have prayed lots of prayers in faith through this process, but I've also prayed some serious begging prayers and no shame.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_05: There were times when he would say, Are you begging or believing?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I unashamedly doing both, I was covering all my bases because I was desperate.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy that that uh not now I'm like, man, maybe Chip really is close to God.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: He knew that it was gonna get worse first.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: Nicole?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: I I'm somewhere probably I don't I don't know that I would even say in between.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_03: I think we all had our own separate experiences with the whole thing, probably.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I process things differently, and we all do.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: I tend to immediately start doing research, and you you prompted us with some questions to reflect on, and you asked one of the questions you asked was if we if we tend to be a worst-case scenario thinker, I am definitely a worst-case scenario.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like I immediately have to make myself walk down that path and then come back from it.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_03: But that's how I process okay, if the worst happens, how do we prepare to do what can we do to prolong, to minimize regret, to all the things.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: And then I also, and and this is probably more recent that I'm also making myself say, okay, but that's not the only outcome that could happen.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like now let's talk think through the the other potential outcomes, and and so many people do have positive stories with this diagnosis and experience, but the first things you read are scary.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: I got the feeling I was maybe in the minority of people reading in our family about the diagnosis.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I I kept quiet on a few things that I think dad realized that I that I had discovered.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_03: And it looked early on like a transplant could be an option, which I think there was some discounting of in the beginning because of age and other things, but it looked early like that could be, and I just kind of I don't know, I always felt like that could be a possibility, and even even when we got to the point just before when there was the possibility of him being disqualified, that was hard.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I can't even imagine for you, mom, and and dad.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he stayed so calm to us, but I know there had to be moments where that was just terrifying because we had been holding on to this being the end result was a transplant that would give us more time when things did get their worst.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: And when we thought that might be off the table, it was hard to consider that possibility.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_03: But even then, I don't know.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: I just never felt like that was how this was gonna end, and and I don't think dad did either.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: And and that I would I would have moments of being fearful, but more moments of just not believing that's how this was gonna end.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Ruth, you still with us?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: I know you were wanting to answer initially.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm probably saying a lot of what they uh are saying, and I think that it helped a lot to see dad really confident and for him to be very resolved and that this was not, you know, that that death was not the answer.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, he shared on the podcast on the podcast about um remaining confident of this.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: You'll, you know, you'll see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living, and that like that was a a lifeline for me in my prayers and just seeing how dad was feeling very confident, and um, you know, I I don't read a lot.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: And there was a time when he first told us that there was something, but he didn't tell us what it was.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, you know, the diagnosis, the name of the diagnosis is unimportant.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: Just don't Google it.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: And well, of course, one of us immediately Googled it.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I guarantee you, I never, I have yet to Google it.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think I leaned heavily too on Nicole's tendency to research things.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I would lean, I would look to her and go, okay, how freaked out should I be right now?
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how bad is this?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even with the the biopsy and how scary that was, it was okay, is Nicole freaking out?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, she's read, she's looked at all the research, like, how is she feeling about this?
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, but trying to balance that the honesty of this is really scary with, but I really don't think this is the end.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm trusting God that this is not the end.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's it was definitely a a back and forth.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: So so how did it happen?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: So when was the phone call, Colleen?
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_05: The phone call was on Thursday, and actually, I think Ruth got a call before we did.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_05: We know where we got the lungs, and uh we'll share that, you know, at some point.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_05: We got the call to come in for lungs on Thursday afternoon late.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_05: We were going to meet Brian and Crystal, and in the middle of five o'clock traffic, we got a call in the car, and the lady said, Um, I want to talk to you about some lungs.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and chip, I mean, we were just it was we were floored.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_05: And uh, you know, we always wondered what's it gonna feel like when we get the call.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_05: So we loaded up, we ran home, grabbed a bag, and got to the hospital, and then they told us the surgery would be the next morning.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_05: And uh it was actually at noon on that Friday, the 20th.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: And did I did I hear correctly from someone?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: And you guys can just laugh at me if if if not, because I must have dreamed it, but was there a possibility scientifically that even with a match, there's a possibility that once the new lungs are put in place it it may not work, his body could still reject it.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Was that was that another possibilities?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, was it a high percentage chance?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like what do they say?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_05: Like 20% chance, one or they haven't they didn't give us any percentages, but that's one of the main concerns at this point is anti is rejection or infection.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_05: You know, it it that's on the table, but they are very pleased with how he's responding and how his lungs are functioning.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_05: And uh they said he's a hundred percent what they would have hoped for post op.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Was it unnerving?
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I mean, obviously, uh, lung transplants is such a huge deal, but was it like scary in a deeper way as far as that possibility, or at this point you guys just felt like God's hands all over this, chips, you know, dad's been saying everything's gonna be okay and now everything's happening.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Was it still scary?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I hope the surgery works?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_05: It was for me.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_05: I uh know, you know, as they're wheeling them off, there's that possibility.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_05: But um, but we did feel very good about it.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_05: And we really, I mean, that was our our only option.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so how about you, kiddos?
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the the chance that, you know, I don't know how you worded a second ago, but is there a scare of the chance that you know, as they're wheeling them back, uh things may go not go right?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, I'm a surrealist.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Last time I checked, I read it at eighth grade reading level, so I wasn't able to process a lot of this very fast, but uh I was able to process it fast enough to know that there were some chances and not chances.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um but uh as much as I am a surrealist, I think I'm an optimist, and I did have faith, and I don't know, I I just kind of operated off a feeling at that at that point, and I didn't I didn't feel like that was gonna be the last time I was gonna see him.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't feel like we had complications ahead, you know.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't mean it wasn't.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's just a feeling.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: But it's just how I operated through it.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, told him I loved him and did all that I could and should do if it was.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I felt pretty confident that he'd be coming back out and be in a better spot.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Granted, probably not immediately, but uh after some recovery, he'd be in a much better spot.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: So Ruth and Nicole.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: I would I mean I would agree with what what he said.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, at at that point when we, you know, just seeing how everything had come together so intricately and so beautifully.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think at that point, I wasn't there when they wheeled him back.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: I landed, I don't know, an hour or so after he went into surgery, but by that time I was pretty convinced and pretty confident that this was this was gonna be a good thing and that we were gonna, you know, see him on the healing side of things.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: I I mean, of course, that the thought crosses your mind of oh crap, if I said all I wanted to say in case it is, but at the same time, I felt like I would still have the opportunity.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I think that we were all kind of aligned on this, the way that things unfolded, the way that we got past the the giant scare right there at the last minute, and then everything seemed to be you know coming together.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's heavy to balance the other side of what a transplant means.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: And and that was probably that weighed on me more than the risk of the surgery in that moment because I felt so confident dad was gonna be okay.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: At this point, that was what we'd been praying for, what he'd been believing would happen, and and really calmly I think had us convinced too.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: So it wasn't as much fear of the surgery as in those immediate moments, it was the processing, the whole counterbalance to what receiving that transplant means is is hard.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you know, we were talking to our girls about it before leaving, and that was harder to talk about than dad going under this really serious surgery.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: But they handled it well too.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we had the youngest handled it so well, I had to tell her we don't want her rushing off to be an organ donor because by the end of the conversation, she's like, I want to be an organ donor.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: All right, well, one day, one day, but let's not rush.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: So Nicole the the Googler, I think you're probably the person to ask, like, what scientifically can you give us any insight on why it's so physically traumatic?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Or yeah, I don't want to put you on the spot, but did you read it?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: I I want to get into the painful recovery and just the extent of it.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I know it was hard, but just how hard was that post-recovery?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what was his body trying to do?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: I to be honest, I really I didn't go into a lot of detail on what the surgery would entail.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's beyond my beyond my curiosity, to be honest.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: But it was clear that he was gonna have a lot of rehab, a lot of pain.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: There's multiple ways for them to do the surgery and you know, affix things, and and he definitely had the the full cracking open and the those details are too much for me.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: How did how did he describe the pain, Colleen?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Was it was it like uh just intense chest pain?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, just well, the first few days after surgery, yes.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_05: They had him heavily medicated and kept him sedated for the first 24 to 30 hours, but um yeah, he would describe his pain on a level of one to ten.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_05: He was around eight, nine even at times.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_05: It was just, I mean, they ripped his chest open, so he was in a lot of pain.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: So from so let's let's get to marital honesty from the wife's perspective.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: What's his does he have a high or low pain tolerance in general?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because I have a very, very low pain tolerance.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's lower than mom's, who's like walked around with broken things like it's fine.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it looks broken.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_05: It'll be fine.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I would say low to med.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I would love to know, and there's probably research out there, but I think women's pain tolerance is just higher.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: I just think and may maybe it's built in because of giving birth.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: But Priscilla's pain tolerance is way higher than mine.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a little wimp, like when I get a cold.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: How how was it seeing your dad suffer just honestly physically?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because you guys were happy.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: He was happy.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you guys are in a celebratory mindset, I would imagine.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Did the the seeing him go through so much pain put like a damper on the celebratory aspect?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he reminded us several times that while we were celebrating, he wasn't quite to that stage yet.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's helpful.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: We're y'all trying to make jokes and everything, and he's just like, I'm not ready for jokes.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, seeing him go from kind of the the go-to guy, you know, we all go to him for things, to see him kind of become very vulnerable.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: It was it's hard.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: But also, you know, the that first what 48 hours of him being sedated when he came out of that and seeing him just writhing in pain, it was it was really hard.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: But then to see every day he start to get better and start to improve.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: And as we were laughing several times, he definitely reminded us that um we he was the one on the table.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: But we're I'm glad he's he's definitely feeling differently now.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: He's feeling better.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: So that's good.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_03: He was in and out of sleep a lot the whole time, and we would just go about talking and carrying on between ourselves, um, usually violating the visitor policy.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: He would wake up out of his, you know, multi-hour in and out and sometimes chime into the conversation and we're like, Did you hear all that?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, I'm not unconscious, I'm here.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Not in a coma, it's post-mergery.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: This this will be honestly the first time the the general public has a more involved uh explanation of how he's doing right now.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is Wednesday, January the 22nd, depending on people on when people are listening.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: But how how is he doing currently?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: I heard him messing with with me, I didn't see him, but he sounded like normal.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like for me, his voice sounded exactly how it normally sounds.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: So, how's he doing right now?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um, he's doing really well.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_05: He's doing, and the doctors obviously feel like he's doing better than he feels like he's doing on certain days.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um, it seems like once he has a long day and a hard day, because we are still in the clinic and doing tests and x-rays and rehab Monday through Friday.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so once he's had a hard day, the next day sometimes is a little rough and he just feels weak, he feels washed out, but then he'll get rested and then he'll have a great couple of days that are really strong.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so what is his immediate and long-term future look like?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: So what are they saying the rest of the recovery is?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: I've got tons of questions, so I could remind you of some of these, but is there ever a point where he is a hundred percent like back to where he was before he had the lung disease?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what what is his long-term life expectancy, all of that?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_05: Well, to get back to what we would call normal Joey, it's gonna be close to a year, basically, before he can resume uh, you know, all of his activities.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_05: He uh they remind him constantly that infection and rejection are some of the biggest concerns.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_05: And so, and plus he's lost a lot of weight, and they're concerned about that.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_05: They just want him to to eat and put weight on, and some of the medicines have side effects that have thrown him into like a diabetic state.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_05: So he's he's got plenty on the table that he's dealing with right now.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, but they said to give himself up to a year before he really feels back to his normal self.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: But are you that you might not get the the normal the normality of Chi Chi back?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: It may be a super or abnormal.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as I was having a little sit-down convo, and I got wind that maybe he wanted a golf cart for the island whenever they got done to you know help move around and not have to walk everywhere.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I I mean it sounded like a great idea.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and he looked at me and was like, what's the point of a golf cart?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Then I'm not then I'm not moving, I'm not working out, I'm not using my my body.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh sorry, miss misunderstood whatever somebody said.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: He said, I'd just assume get a jet ski before I get a golf cart.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, What?
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_05: He is looking forward to that.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean he he was serious.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: He said, I'd like to get a jet ski so we can go out on that.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: And he just you know kind of made a comment of uh some intentionality of uh of of having fun and using what he's been given.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I think super abnormal's probably what we're gonna get, not the normal.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: Might see him on a cheetah print jet ski with a purple life jacket or so.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's right, I've got a couple more questions for y'all.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and and it's okay if y'all do a lot of whole, you know, the whole, I totally agree with what he said or she said, but what are you most proud of when it comes to seeing your husband or your dad and how he's walked this journey out?
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And and maybe what have you learned from him seeing him have you know go through this?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna jump in.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_05: And um I without a doubt would say that you his steadfastness, his ability to hear from God and remain unwavering and confident that God told him it's gonna be okay.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_05: He's been, even though he's been the one experiencing the physical part of this, he's been the grounding one, especially in my life.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_05: I'm the hand winger.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_05: And like I said, I've I prayed prayers of faith, but also begging prayers of desperation.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm I'm just so proud of his ability to hear God and stand firm in what he's heard.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think the cliche uh answer is, of course, coming out of it is uh it was a Christmas miracle, right?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was a miracle period.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was at Christmas.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh miracles can happen.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll go a little uh deeper in.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember the gentleman's name.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: We were at service.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Ruth, you were there.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we were at the John Zowen campus, and um first name, last name, synonymity.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he was telling us a story about how uh an accident happened in front of his house or walking his kids to the bus stop or something like that, and uh there was an apparent death there.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: Lost them.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: He and he didn't pray for the guy.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: God told the preacher that was get telling the story, he he asked him, Why didn't you pray for him?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Well, the guy's dead.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, he made a comment as to, you know, if you pray as far as prayer working, like if you don't pray for him to be uh revived or to live or to whatever, then you know, if you're not gonna pray, you're you don't believe.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um and after listening to that and how I kind of correlated that back to a lot of close friends who when the all this news broke, they pulled over on the side of the road or called me, or uh all I mean just life-stopping things to call me and pray, you know, I pair that with that story.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I take out of all of it is the prayer works.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: And if it if nobody would have prayed, or if one person would have prayed, uh we we might not have the result that we have, but because of his support and all that we have to be thankful for, uh all the prayers that came through.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh, that's the biggest thing that I take away from.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um if you don't pray, then maybe you don't believe that thing to be true or believe that thing to to come to fruition.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I am appreciative for all of those.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: As I said, my own as well.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's lots of people that love dad and and reached out to us, reached out to him.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, the the community that that we've gotten to see is just such a testament to how many people he's touched and affected.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: But but as many people as love dad, like I loved in the hospital, there were multiple times that this happened to, and I just love lots of nurses and techs come in and out, and dad's barely conscious half the time, really.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: But he would just observe people and comment sometimes on people and and little observations that he'd make about them and what he you know, connections he'd make with the people who were taking care of him.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's just it's really special to see.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel really privileged that our dad's like that.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: He's he's always he's always been interested in all the people, regardless of what they're doing, who they are, you know, what role they're playing in the in the surroundings, and and I just love to get to see that, even at his weakest point.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I remember him saying in a conversation I had with him on podcast, and I was like, wow, that you know, just struck a chord with me.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: But he he basically said, What kind of what more motivation does anyone need to, you know, do do good work, you know, and for him, it's you know, counseling and walking through people.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, as long as there's pain in this world, like what uh what other motivation do you need?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that sounds a lot like what you're saying.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's those are real people with real things going on in their life, and he can't help but to care, you know.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's very cool to see.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: He can't turn it off.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: He knows how to strike the course.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what are we and by the way, brother, that was Morris Morrison that was speaking when we were at Johns Island.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he gave a shout out to Dad.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out, shout out, Morris Morrison, sorry.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think seeing what I'm most proud of is seeing him, of course, his unwavering, like mom said, his steadfastness and his just confidence in what God was saying to him and how God was showing up for him.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: But I think even leading up to the surgery and just just after the surgery, I think his his willingness to be a little more vulnerable and his um, you know, like I said before, he's he's our go-to guy, he's everybody's go-to guy.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but he's kind of like mom said, he's the grounding one.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so when, you know, we're all losing our mess, like what happens when he's knocked out, you know.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: But um just to be able to see him be a little bit more vulnerable and and open with you know what he's really experiencing, what he's really feeling, and how he's really, you know, the the high points and the not so high points, like, yes, this is a miracle, and yes, this is like an up like a mind-blowing experience.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's for us watching it, not you know, for him, um it's a whole other story, but you know, just letting us into the to kind of the the depths of of how he's feeling and thinking has been has meant a lot to me.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting because one one I don't remember if it was Nicole or Ruth, but one of you mentioned earlier on in the conversation of how he you know said, Don't don't look it up almost like early on it was hey, if I can shield my kids from this, I will, but then I don't remember hearing that for the record, but yeah, I would have ignored it.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: But but the post surgery, it's he you can see him, so it's like I I'm can't hide this, you know.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the last question that I wanted to ask, and I'll let Chip next week actually tell people a little bit or a lot of the background of the person who lost their life uh for Chip to have those lungs.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just curious, and I, you know, you y'all are in the middle of a lot of emotions, a really, really big deal that has happened to your dad.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't think anybody would look down their noses at you guys if if either if any of y'all didn't put a lot of thought into this at this juncture.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, here we are January 22nd, so we're about a month into the recovery.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: Is is this something that you guys think about, like, or when you're around him and he's breathing, you know, do you think, man, that's that's a person's lungs that they were alive just a month and a half ago?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is it something that's in your mind or not so much right now?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: For me, it's still at that stage where it's it's relatively automatic when I get into this reflection of gratitude.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's very hard not to also go to that place of grief for this other family.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: And um I've thought several times about their perspective, and I I would never want anyone to think that you know, if if we had the choice, I don't I don't want it to be like we've stolen time from another family and another husband, father, all that.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_03: It was such a blessing that I was delayed coming back.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't get a flight the day that we got out even having a surgery.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: I got stuck in Paris.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: And then when I did get on the flight, I got to sit with this girl, her name's Kate.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: I won't, I didn't ask her if I could say her the whole name's homeless, but turns out her dad's a pastor as well of another non-denominational church out in the Midwest.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: And so we bonded over that.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_03: And then she shared that she was an anesthesiologist trainee and finishing up her certifications and had just done a rotation through the NICU where children were families had to make the decision to do donor, the organ donors, put their children to the organs up for donor.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: And she got to she shared some stories with me of the other side of it, and it was so heartbreaking, but so amazing to hear the experience, what it means for the other families to be able to um know that it's not all for nothing, that there is something coming out of this tremendous loss, and so I'm holding on to that.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_03: But of course, it's not a choice you would ever make to take that from someone else for your benefit, as much as you know, we're we're super grateful, and I'm so so glad that we're in the position we are.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's it's at the someone else's loss.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: I saw on Instagram, so obviously I don't know how real it was, but it looked legit, and it was a father hearing his daughter's heartbeat in someone else's body for the first time.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I can't, I can't take that.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, it's a dad of the daughter.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I can't watch this.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_06: It was amazing.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I appreciate you sharing that perspective, Nicole.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: And anybody else want to extend that part of the conversation or say anything that you weren't able to say thus far because we're kind of wrapping things up.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_05: Well, for that, Joey, I think like Chip and I were praying before this all happened.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_05: He was on the transplant lesson, it just broke me when we were praying one morning that somebody has to die for you to live.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I asked him, I said, What do we do with that?
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_05: Because somebody's gonna have to die.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_05: And he just said, you know, that's above our pay grade.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_05: And uh he said, We're just gonna continue to pray that God provides lungs, but that's not our job to figure that out, especially the way it happened.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_05: Our hearts go out to this donor family, and so we just had for months had been praying for the donor and their family, you know, through this whole process.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_05: So it's been surreal in that.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_05: And yes, we do think a lot about that.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_05: It was a gift, but it was so awakening that as they were taking Chip to surgery, the nurse stopped and said, Have you listened to your heart?
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_05: I mean to your lungs, and she we said, No, neither one of us have.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_05: And she gave us her stethoscope and we listened to Chip's lungs in their diseased state.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_05: And the next morning, when they allowed me to go in to see him, um, she said, Would you like to hear his new lungs?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_05: And I said, Yes, I would.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_05: And the difference was indescribable, just so clear, and it just made the gift even more real to be able to hear that and just so grateful.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: The only thing I can really add to that is, you know, like do we think about them?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, all the time.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I think everybody's kind of said that there, I mean, there are no words to express the gratitude, the the the goodness, and hopefully one day we can, you know, see them and and say that to them and and um you know share a moment with them.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean it's it's definitely not a question of do we ever think about them?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know how how often we do and just how indebted we feel to them.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: That'll be one crazy hangout in heaven if it doesn't happen on this earth.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like just all of us completely redeem, completely happy and joyous, and then reflecting on wow, if it wasn't for you, he wouldn't have gotten more, you know, it's just it'll and we'll all be happy about it on both sides of the point.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I really enjoyed just getting to have some FaceTime with Ruth, Nicole, and Brian.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh never had met you guys.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: I've heard about you a lot, and I tell my kids that Chip's like an additional father and and me and your mom's life, and and that's I'm sure tons of people say that, and we're just one of many.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: But we hear a lot about you too, Joey.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I do.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank y'all for your time, and uh people are gonna enjoy hearing from Chip's family.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you, Joey.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, brother.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: All right, y'all have any questions for me?
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: We'll just we'll just rock and roll because I want some of the chit chat uh recorded, but but oh I know I'm nervous.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_03: Are y'all nervous?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: You should be nervous, Joey.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_03: Brian?
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not nervous.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_03: I know you're not.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, I'll I'll throw this out there that this is this is Chip's podcast, and Chip's not here, so what I believe about the Bible in marriage, that means choline's in charge.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: So choline, take it away.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, well.