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Hello and welcome. Happy Christmas, Christmas, it's
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Anime Club. And today is our special, very,
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very special Boxing Day episode where we're doing a double
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feature. And because it's very special
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and at Christmas you spend time with the ones that you love,
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we've got our very special friend Tony.
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Hello, Tony. Say hello to the people.
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Hello. Merry Christmas everyone.
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Merry Christmas. And of course, there's me,
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Santa, and my happy little snow snowman friend, Frosty Chris.
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I'm Santa's solicitor. Yeah, Frosty, frosty, frosty,
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frosty and Rudolph. And before we talk about the the
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films that we're going to cover this week, what snacks have you
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guys got? Because Christmas is not only a
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time to spend your days with loved ones, it's also a time to
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stuff your face. Show me your.
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Show me your stacks. Right.
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So I was bad obviously at Christmas, so I didn't get
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anything. So I've been in the box and
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their sale at IKEA today and picked up this little Swedish
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treat of Dimeos or whatever their own version is.
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Oh shit, yes, to me that's a good shout.
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You should say shit, yes. I did.
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That's how Santa rolls. Now it's Boxing Day.
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Boxing Day is like the one day he gets off.
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True, true. Very cool.
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What was that? You were maybe?
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Is that one of the dime bars? Yeah.
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That nice? Yeah.
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What about you, Chris? What have you got?
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Well, as you say, that time between Christmas and New Year's
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is like the dead zone where you just live on leftover food
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snacks and you don't know what time it is.
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So I've got three snacks. I have a Milky bar thing,
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chocolate crumble. Oh.
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Yeah, OK, nice. I've got some leftover chocolate
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crumble. Yeah, got some leftover after 8.
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And I do you ever do you ever turn the the after 8 packages
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into little helmets for your action men?
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Batman helmets? No, just me.
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What? Like as an adult.
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Yeah, you're at what? I don't know.
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You've lost. You've lost.
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You've lost all joy in your life.
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And was that, Was that Terry's chlorine?
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Caramel one but I've got nothing.
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You hit it off against his. My walls are like plaster so
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I've done that before and I've come up with a massive bruise on
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me head and I'll. Find something I just sometimes
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I just just find on the floor. What, like punches?
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Yeah. I think I did break it broke on
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the wrong side. How still this?
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It's just it's spherical. How can you break your wrong
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side, you madman? I know what I mean man, I know.
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I actually did break it properly.
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Nice. Oh, look at that fist or fists
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of steel. I've got some.
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I've got some from Asia Mart. Thank you.
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Asia Martin Worthing. I've got some roasted tofu.
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It's densed sauce and superior taste.
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Exclamation mark. That's what is on the packet.
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Densed sauce experience. And then some.
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Like weird peachy things. I also got this strange
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flavoured cotton candy and some seaweed cracker things and a
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free lumpy juice. It's going to be my first time
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trying lumpy juice. Hell, we are.
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And it says free. How?
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How do you know it's free? Yeah, good question.
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So, so, yeah. And when you drink that lumpy
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juice, you're going to neck it. Yeah, probably not all of it all
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in one go, but I'll take a big old swallow of it seems only
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sporting. It's it's going to be fun, you
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drinking it, especially when your background blows it out.
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It's. Going to get wild here in the
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North Pole when you didn't realise the North Pole was a
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strip club and there's just a woman just necking something.
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So what are we doing this week guys?
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We had a double feature and we watched 2 films that were
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originally aired together. So this was originally they were
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done as a double feature in Japan for children.
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I just want to say that upfront. Apparently they were both both
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marketed as children's films. Got to teach your life lessons?
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What a secret life lesson. Eat your food.
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Never mind kids starving in Africa, there's kids starving
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here in this house. And we watched Grave of the
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Fireflies, what might be one of the most depressing anime films
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of all time, if not the most depressing.
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Like I can't think of a single and other anime film that has
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left me sailing as sad as this film did.
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And the sweetest, one of the sweetest, most beloved anime
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films of all time. My neighbor.
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Totoro. Totoro.
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Totoro, Totoro. You're going to mock me the
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whole time. And I can see it in your eyes,
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Chris. I mean, I would say.
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To help if you do it in the accent something.
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If you do it in the accent, then it sounds.
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This accent. No the.
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I've already, I've already got an accent.
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This TV is actually quite good. But we'll start with as as the
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as the directors intended and the production studio intended.
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We're going to start with Grave of the Fireflies.
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Oh, it was that old eventually. Did you go Grave of the Fan?
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Yeah. Nice.
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Then my day up right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That was how you imagine to watch that.
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Can you imagine if it was the other way around?
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Now you've watched this lovely film My neighbor tried to write.
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Time to watch Grave of the Fire. Yeah.
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So what would how would you describe this to someone who'd
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never seen it before? I would probably wind them up
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and say it's a bit like, it's a bit like Princess and the Frog
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and the fireflies are like the guy in Princess and the Frog.
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These here with the I forget what he calls the the North Star
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that he's in love with. Yeah.
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Yeah. No, Evangeline, never seen this.
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That I actually did. I actually thought this was like
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an amazing film, but to describe it, it's just like, yeah, like
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you said, the Preston and Heart ruin, but it is actually a
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really amazing film at the same time.
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Yeah. What's it about?
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How would you describe it, Chris?
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Me. So I would say it follows
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siblings called Seder and set to go and basically you follow them
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as they they find out that both their parents are dead and they
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become homeless and they slowly starve to death.
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Actually the the older brother starves death at the start of
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the film and then it mementos and starting through flashbacks
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it shows how we got to that point and you slowly watch his
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little kid sister die of malnutrition.
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It's one for all the family. Like.
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I was watching it. Watching.
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It is animated amazingly, but afterwards it was just like, you
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know, when you're driving home from work and you turn the radio
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off? Which one?
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I told me that you think that is why it got put.
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That is why they've done it as a double feature, wasn't it?
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So that's, you know, you watch tutorial straight away
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afterwards filled with a little bit of joy, but.
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It restores the hope in you. Yeah, it's, it's incredibly
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depressing. It's based on a based on a
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novel, which is based on which is an A written.
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It's based on a true story and is written as an apology to the
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writer's sister. So he's and the the author of
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the novel. I was looking up interviews with
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him and he said, Oh yeah, the the death of the death of Is it
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Setsuko, the girl, the little girl?
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Yeah, Yeah, that's a good. The death of Setsuko is pretty
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much exactly how his own sister died.
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And I was like, Oh no, that makes it 100 times more
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embarrassing. And he also says that it's not
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an so the the director said it wasn't an anti war film, it was
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an anti nationalism film. It's a film all about loneliness
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and isolation and how that like kills, kills people.
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Which which of course is so much better than, so much better than
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an anti war film, so much lighter and more.
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The the only, the only time I ever got anything like that was
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from their anti who was just like, so she took their mother's
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old clothes and sold them for rice as a little like backhand
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at the farmers. And and it was kind of like
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she'd take that rice and she would give it to her husband and
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their cousin, her daughter, and be like, Oh yeah, they're going
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contributing to the nation. She's yeah, cousin is going to
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work every day. Used to or just as in like a 10
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year old enough toddler, 3-4 year old are just sitting on
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your bums all day so you'll get no rice and you're like, there's
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a very strong you have to contribute to the nation to get
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some sort of reward. I kind of got it from that, but
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the rest of the film doesn't give us any of that.
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So I I thought, I think this SATA also wants to follow in his
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father's footsteps. So his father is an A Japanese
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naval officer. And that's how, oh, that's how
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he dies at the beginning. And there's something about him.
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And I don't know how clearly this comes across in the film
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because I only got this because I was looking up interviews with
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Takahata, who's the director who was saying it's it's because he
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wants to set up a kind of pure family and his own family.
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So he kind of takes Setsuko away from the rest of society.
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And in doing that, he kind of dooms them both because he cuts
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them off from any help. And you see it with like the
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police officer when he's like stealing food and then he gets
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captured. There's just so much sad stuff
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that happens. And the police officer kind of
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gives him a break. Instead of, like, being able to,
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like, lean in and ask for help, he feels like he has to, like,
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keep going and be the man. Like he never, he never is able
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to ask for help. And I guess that's where the
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kind of the apology to the sister bit comes in as well.
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But yeah, like you say, it's a film about two war orphans.
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They have a very, very sad, sad life.
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And you basically just watch them struggle for food until
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they both die. It's very sad and it's very,
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very sad. And there's also.
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So Takahata was also like lived through the incendiary bombing
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in Japan. So he going into the film, he
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knew that he wanted to like animate some very realistic
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bombing scenes. So as well as being quite like a
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slow film at times, that also it has these moments where you're
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like, oh, this is like quite like lots of sparks, lots of
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yeah, moments that break up that slowness.
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Yeah. It's sad, bit gross, but he also
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compared it to like a double suicide film.
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So there are like these things called double suicide plays like
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Romeo and Juliet. And he said that's what he sees
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it as. He sees it as a double suicide
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story rather than a rather than like an anti war film.
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She's. Why'd she say it's suicide?
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Because like, it was their choice to go and live in a cave
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kind of thing. Yeah, well, and, and also in
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double, in double suicide plays, it's never really the people who
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dies fault that they die. They're always a victim of
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society. So if you think about Romeo and
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Juliet, they're star crossed from the beginning.
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And it's like, and, and actually in exactly the same way, they
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have a prologue which tells you that they're both going to die
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before the play even starts. And in a similar way, you see,
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because you see him dying right at the beginning, you you kind
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of know his fate before you've even watched the story.
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And I think that's the only thing that really, nothing can
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really prepare you for watching a three-year old starve to death
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that is like slowly can really get you ready.
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Yeah. Slow It's it's not like, oh, she
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never it was just like, oh, is she going to No, Molly.
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Molly was watching this with us because this this is the first
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anime she's watched. Which was a terrible thing to do
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to her. Chris, why did you do that?
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Yep. Why did you recommend this and
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throw the whole thing? Molly was just like I've got a
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horrible feeling like all the way through and she was like,
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does one of them die? And I'm like, ah, but I cannot
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see anything. Obviously, you saw the little,
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the older one die and she's all right.
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And then there's a scene where EMS sets to go, doesn't wake up,
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but she's asleep. And she's, oh, no, I thought she
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died there. I would have been heartbroken.
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I was like, Oh well, this is going to go down like a lead
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balloon. We got a message in the.
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I got a message from her on Discord which was like, I think
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it was the yeah, she was like, it's awful.
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I hate you. Why did you recommend this?
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I'm never listening to any recommendations.
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You, you ever tell me for films? Zero of 10, zero of. 10 And then
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the next day I also got a message from her being like,
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I've, I've thought about it and it's actually very, very
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beautiful, very well made. Still incredibly depressing,
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yeah, but she did give it like AI think she gave it a nine out
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of 10 after like the next day after the sadness had faded a
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bit, which I thought was quite a high mark.
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So. But she did also say she'd never
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watch it again. Yeah.
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Yeah, it is something that like, you're not going to forget it
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after you watched it. It's going to stay with you
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like. Yeah, she did check on Finley
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afterwards. Yeah, she did check on our small
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child. Feed him a few extra sweets the
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next day. Make sure he doesn't have pretty
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poos. The most harrowing scene for me
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was when apart from the death was within, the farmer is taken
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say her away and she's like shouting say it.
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I say it. I was like, Oh my God, this is
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absolutely brutal. Yeah, because you're like, you
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don't realize how small she is. And if you think about it,
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because you've got kids as well, would you leave a child that
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young to just wander about the countryside?
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Three years old, there's a baby. Yeah.
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Yeah. And then towards the end it it
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shows, yeah, playing all by yourself and that around that
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area, I don't know, like because obviously he had a lever to try
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and get food. Yes, so that was actually it's
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I'm sure it's a theme in Ghibli films because it's like even
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though the mighty but total I'm like, you're a you're a child.
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Why they left you alone to just wander about in the forest and
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stuff. It was different in the 90s.
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True. I used to wonder about it.
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They used to worry. Well up until the 90s.
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I was wondering about to be fair, on a campsite most
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summers, but they were Reed beds.
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I shouldn't have been in for sure.
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See, I'm sure. The.
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The Bull Jeff case happened when I was like 3, so I was the same.
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I was roughly the same age as the as the little kid.
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So I was just like, no, we're not going to leave them alone.
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We're the same age and that makes me feel sad, like my
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parents are like they'll be fine.
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I see that has that things like that did change the way, well,
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parenting is done in general, really.
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So yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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And probably for the better. Normally I would talk about
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favorite characters and those things, but that doesn't feel
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quite right. What were some of the kind of,
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like, most memorable moment or like some of the moments that
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kind of got to you? You mentioned like when the
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farmer's taking SATA away after he gets caught stealing food.
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Yeah, there's there's a few. Other bits.
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There's a few for me, like there's at the end after Cetigo
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dies. You see what she was doing when
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she was alone, so she was playing by herself, She's
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catching bugs and doing all this sort of stuff.
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And then there was the scene where just over the river.
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And there's a family comes back and moves into the house and
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it's just like a normal family where it's a group of girls who
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would just say, oh, yeah, wouldn't come back.
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And I can finally listen to the radio again.
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And I can do this. And probably, but I've been so
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hard, don't you? Because I've been evacuated to
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another part of the country in my holiday home or whatever.
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And I was like, this is horrible.
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It's breath. Yeah, Yeah.
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How do you, because I'm trying to remember when this was made.
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I think it's like 80. It's a 2000.
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Is it 88? Was it really that early?
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Yeah, because it was at the same time as top law.
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Oh yeah, of course. Do you, how do you feel like it
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holds up animation wise? Yeah, 1988, that's wild.
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I think it holds up great. It still looks amazing.
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I kind of followed that. I don't know if I'll watch some
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sort of remake though, like remaster because I never know
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because I like I watched them the next film, My Neighbor
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Totoro, A remake and it looks amazing.
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But I remember watching the original and that looking a bit
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fuzzy and you can tell it was made but then so I don't know.
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It's like digitally remastered. Yeah, it was on the Netflix.
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I watched it I think and I think it has been remastered.
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But Toonie hasn't watched that much.
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Anime what? What did you?
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Think of it. Yeah, I thought it would look
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really good, especially, well, I haven't got on a torture yet,
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but that just looked like incredible.
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Yeah. Where's my camera not working
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there I. Think it was.
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A really long time. It just looked like your brain
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was buffering. Yeah.
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No. Chris should edit out the
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pauses. It's fine.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I so the another thing that I
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was so this was a quite groundbreaking anime films at
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the time, a lot of animators were told that they couldn't do
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realistic depictions of Japan as like in the backgrounds.
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And then this film comes in and the director's like, no, it has
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to be as realistic as possible. And the children have to feel
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like children that you would that those kids who were going
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to be sitting in the cinema watching, they have to be able
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to relate to them. They have to feel like 9th
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graders. Well, let.
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Me say because you really. Yeah, I wonder what was he, what
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was his goal mate, of doing that to like kids, basically Seems so
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like sedition, yes. Well, I think he was woken up on
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a Sunday morning by laughing kids and he was psyched now.
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Not anymore. One too many times I'm going to
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have this and this will play in every household at 6:00 AM No,
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so he's so his whole thing was that he wanted to make a film
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that was an about, about how nationalism damages society and
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how it marginalises people who are vulnerable.
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So he he so he thinks that like ultimately, like when he was
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reading this, the original novel, he fit like and I think
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this is true of the author as well.
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So the original novel is very like anti imperial Japan.
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And actually his next film, which never got it got cancelled
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part way through production, was supposed to be another film
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which was anti imperialism and anti nationalism, which which
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was going to be about the kind of the occupation it's happening
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with China and got cancelled because of the Tiananmen Square
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protests. So it never made it to it.
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No, because the studio was just like in it's in Japan.
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There was suddenly a lot of very like anti Chinese, anti imperial
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feeling and they thought a film that was set half in China would
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just wouldn't be well received. So they cancelled his next film
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race, but he even but he even like so the kanji for Firefly.
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There are two different ways you can write Firefly in Japanese.
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There's the common way, which is to do with like a fluorescent
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that translates kind of to fluorescent light bulb.
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And there's another way that you can write Firefly, which
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translates for drops of fire, which is like a common term for
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the incendiary bombings that happened.
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So I think in, if you were reading the title in Japanese,
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there's another kind of like early warning that this is going
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to be like, because Grave of the Fireflies sounds almost
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romantic. And like you both said, there's
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a kind of like almost like a whimsy to it when it's
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translated into English. Whereas I think if you're
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reading the kanji and you see drops of you, you see that
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double meaning to it really early on, that this is going to
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be something that is about the impact of war on society.
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I don't think the title would be as good if it was Grave of the
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Fireflies in brackets. These are bombs.
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No, but it would be. That would be a fair warning,
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yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that's one of the
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other things I think that he was trying to do.
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But like I said, like the original writer, he was it, it's
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his story. So he, he lost his family
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because of the, because of the war and then was left to left to
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like raise his little sister who ended up dying like like Setsuko
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does in the films. And he was, I was reading one
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interview with him and he was like, I always thought I was the
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kind of person who would share food with my sister until I was
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starving. And then I, as soon as I got
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food, I ate it. And then I felt remorse.
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So it's like having, yeah, it's like having the weight of that
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kind of on the soul. I think it's, even if it's not
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intentionally anti war, I think anything that shows like a true
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depiction of the impact that of what happens when, yeah, when
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resources are diverted away from civilians will kind of
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inherently have that element to it because you're seeing the
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impact on children or innocent people.
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So yeah, heavy stuff. Happy Christmas.
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Kids feel better. Kids feel.
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You could put a, you could put a, you could put a spin on it,
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you could say, right. So maybe maybe it's trying to
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teach kids not to be stubborn and, like, actually seeking
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adults for help if they're starving to death, Maybe, like,
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yeah. That's the moral of the story.
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If you're hungry, go find it. Yeah, yeah, it's in.
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Don't drink pond water. Eat your vegetables or you'll
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get firebombed. So.
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Here's a question. It's a kids film, right?
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You're both fathers? Yep, I don't have children.
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And also my own father is the kind of father who at a very
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young age was reading me When the Wind Blows.
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I don't know if you've read or seen When the Wind Blows by
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Raymond Briggs, but it's about an old couple who slowly die.
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There's a it's an old couple. They're the last surviving
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humans after a nuclear Holocaust, and they slowly die
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of radiation poisoning. That's the story.
28:18
So I was meant that about four. So my sense of what is OK to
28:25
give to children to consume probably not to be trusted.
28:28
And I'm curious, would you let your children watch this, and if
28:32
so, at what age? No.
28:37
Steve. That may not, would you not, Not
28:40
at all. No asking about.
28:42
Oh, that's nice. I've got a 5 year old child and
28:46
I don't want to really introduce the concept of war yet.
28:51
So I think he's pretty. He doesn't really know what it's
28:55
about. Stick to yeah.
28:58
Yeah, Paw Patrol and this, I've done that much not idea, but
29:06
total. Yeah, Raymond Briggs, he
29:09
mentioned. Was that the same one who did
29:11
the Snowman and Santa Claus? There it is.
29:15
It is. Chris and I were talking about
29:16
this and we were like, in a way, this double feature is a bit
29:20
Raymond Bricks because you've got Wind and Blows in terms of
29:24
Grave of the Fireflies, but then you also have like the Snowman
29:29
and Santa Claus in terms of Nine neighbor Totoro.
29:31
It's that kind of dichotomy of what people are able to create.
29:38
Yeah, as we move on to the snowman equivalent.
29:42
Oh, sorry, what are you? Going to say, I was just going
29:44
to say my, my headphone is saying battery low and that'll
29:48
be caught up on the ordeal. So that's fun.
29:53
That's. Amazing.
29:56
Oops. We are professionals and it's
29:59
Christmas. This is our Christmas special.
30:03
It's we're talking everything we've got.
30:07
We might one might have to pause.
30:15
You're such a bastard. You do stuff like that all the
30:22
time, and then you just start getting played like we're
30:24
supposed to be normal. Where were we?
30:27
Great with the fireflies. OK, so you wouldn't let your
30:29
kids watch it, Would you Watch it again?
30:33
No. 9,000,000 years. I appreciate for what it was,
30:40
but it does does not need any rewatch.
30:44
That's fair. Uh, should we move on to the
30:50
second part of our double feature, the part that's used to
30:53
restore hope? I'm trying really hard to just
30:57
carry on like normal, but it's very difficult with those
31:00
headphones. I think it's the headphones plus
31:02
the suit plus the glasses are just, they're just, it's just
31:06
killing. It's just making like a yeah.
31:10
It will. It's in his Twitch stream
31:12
outfit. Yes.
31:15
It does. It feels very, very Twitch
31:17
stream, a charity stream. Let's.
31:20
Raise 1000. Pounds and I'll take my tie off.
31:25
See, I thought it was. Given like work of men's club DJ
31:29
it is. Giving that as well.
31:33
But with the kids headphones, it's adding a level of sinister
31:36
I think, and it sounds a good one.
31:40
I get paid in pints, I chat. Yeah, yeah, 3 drinks tokens.
31:49
And you're not allowed to choose from the top shelf.
31:54
Moving on. My neighbor Totoro.
31:57
Yeah, a very different film. Lot less dead kids.
32:00
Supposed to be a. Lot.
32:02
Less as in 0. The right number for an animated
32:06
children's film of Dead Kids 0. My Neighbor Totoro is.
32:16
We're back in Studio Ghibli. The powerhouse that is.
32:21
Are you OK, Zacky? No, I just completely forgot.
32:29
I completely forgot. Why Zacky's there?
32:32
I can slowly hear my like like my anime fan membership being
32:39
revoked. Directed by my.
32:43
Zaki, we've got Joe Kizashi doing the doing the soundtrack.
32:51
Lovely film. How would you describe this one?
32:53
What happens? Me, I'll I'll go for this.
32:59
Yeah, go on. It's a whimsical film about two
33:04
sisters again, two children. Their mother is ill.
33:10
They've just moved into a new house and to cope with them
33:14
being alone all the same, I think they've imagined all of
33:18
these these like forest gods and spirits like a cup boss and a
33:24
big fox thing and already. I'm like, this is this is wild.
33:32
Are we going to have a fight? You think they imagine them?
33:36
Yeah. Teeny, what would you say this?
33:41
Film's about well, I swear to God, if you tell me to talk all
33:45
his animal, his spirit friends aren't real.
33:47
I'm leaving. I think they are as as you say
33:52
I. Think they're spirits so yeah,
33:54
they're real in in that world yeah.
33:55
I don't think the kids are imagining them, though.
33:58
I think they are because they're.
33:59
The only ones I can see them. Yeah.
34:02
But maybe that's to do with the fact that.
34:04
They're open hearted and joyful and you're a cynical old man.
34:07
What? What are you trying to say
34:08
about? Nanny, you do not think her
34:09
heart's open. It's a bit, she says.
34:12
They're real. She says that she used to see
34:14
them as a as a girl, She says they're real Chris mass
34:18
hysteria. There's something in.
34:19
The water. They've been drinking the water.
34:24
Down down the stream from the first film.
34:28
Oh God, that black. Rain, the black rain.
34:32
So this is also this is would be set in the 1950s.
34:37
Originally, was supposed to be set in.
34:38
The 1950s and then apparently they didn't do enough research
34:40
so they ended up making it a kind of more generic time
34:43
period. But it is lovely and it is, I
34:47
think. I think so it's based heavily on
34:50
like Shinto folk belief, the idea that everything that has a
34:57
life, like everything that has a life force has a camie, a spirit
35:02
attached to it. So every forest that you go to,
35:05
different trees that you go to. And Toto Totoro is the forest
35:10
king. He's often described as by the
35:12
production team. And so he's the camie of the
35:16
forest that protects this particular woodland.
35:19
And it's you can tell it's Shinto belief because at one
35:22
point the children see see Totoro and then the father
35:27
brings them back to like say hello to the to the cami and to
35:34
thank him for his presence. And you see the tree wrapped in
35:39
rope and prayer paper and. That's how you know it's a.
35:45
Shinto, Shinto belief system. I think they're real.
35:50
I think the fact that you think those kids are imagining things
35:53
just says like how cynical you are.
35:56
I think it's even. Dark of engrave the fireflies.
35:59
That's coping mechanism for being left on their own so long.
36:03
Luckily nothing this is. Darker than grey with the
36:06
fireflies, the royal ghosts. It's actually.
36:13
We've actually. Been watching the 6th Sense and
36:19
spoilers for the 6th Sense. Yes, fair enough, fair enough.
36:27
Yes, the mum's. The mum's in hot.
36:28
Spelling on this one. Your dad's working.
36:32
He's a professor. At a.
36:33
University I watched this. I watched this with my sib and
36:39
their boyfriend and we were all like, is it just answer is the
36:42
dad a hottie? Like he's a professor at a
36:45
university. He like engages with his
36:48
children in a really charming way and he's kind of a hottie.
36:52
We decided he was a bisexual hottie.
36:54
I don't know where the bisexual thing came from.
36:56
I think that was just to level the playing field for all who
36:58
might first up. His wife's going to be foreman
37:00
when? She finds out.
37:03
She's. In hospital, she'll never know.
37:11
Children's fell sorry to do, you were.
37:13
Saying when you watch this. I just found it weird that.
37:19
Like the neighbor just declared. Themselves as.
37:23
Granny. Yeah, but then.
37:25
I do remember. Back it went back when I was a
37:27
kid was like old people that lived in the street and you used
37:30
to call them like aunties and. Stuff, Yeah.
37:33
Just my St. No, I'll get that.
37:35
It's your mum's. Friend.
37:36
So she's Yanky kind of thing. Yeah, Yeah.
37:41
Oh, she's your. Free.
37:42
Babysitter, I see you're calling on me.
37:45
Yeah, she's going to. What else Better?
37:46
To do. She's not going to watch telly
37:48
because it's set in the weird time before telly, so me as well
37:54
might as. Well, yeah, do you know?
37:59
Yeah. Soph also said the same thing.
38:02
They they found Granny sinister and I was like.
38:08
Yeah. But you know how you get like
38:10
aunties? Like when someone's like your
38:13
auntie? Not that.
38:15
Quick session. They.
38:17
Introduced themselves and then. It was a psycho first meeting.
38:21
You can. Call a granny if you like.
38:23
No thanks. No, I don't even know.
38:27
Her actual name. I would like to know her real
38:30
name first. Fair.
38:37
What did you think of this film? How did you find it and how did
38:40
you find it in in contrast to? The first.
38:45
Film that we watched do. You want to go, Chris?
38:53
Yeah. Can do, I was just.
38:54
Going to say style it until. One of you does so I couldn't
38:58
know how they. Know.
39:02
Yeah, it was the Paul. Opposite, this felt like an
39:05
actual kids film that you would show a kid and not like as a
39:10
punishment for not eating the vegetables or whatever.
39:13
And yeah, it's really bright. The animation is amazing.
39:19
The music as well. That's that get that's a part of
39:22
brain worm Alaska in you get in your head and nobody dies.
39:30
Yeah, there is. Not our work actually.
39:34
But yeah. Complete.
39:35
Opposites. I've quite enjoyed it.
39:37
It was a sorry, yeah. Beloved sub, you dies.
39:43
Beloved film in the Yeah yeah. What about you 2?
39:48
How about you 2? I thought.
39:49
It I thought it. Yeah, I thought it started a bit
39:51
slow, but maybe that was because the new IT was a double feature
39:55
and you needed some time to. You know, get yourself fucked.
40:00
Together after Fireflies. But yeah, it was like it was a
40:04
good. It was over half an hour I think
40:06
before anything started really happening, but like the
40:09
animation and stuff was incredible.
40:12
Yeah, yeah, again, I watched it on Netflix, so I don't know if
40:16
it was a restored version or whatever or it was just looked
40:20
so good. Yeah and.
40:24
I think I. Think I would happily for.
40:28
I'm happy for studios to want to remaster films because it is
40:32
gorgeous. And I think this is what
40:34
Miyazaki does so well is natural scenery.
40:40
Like he knows how to make you want to like step into a woods
40:43
with him because he does it in Princess.
40:48
He does it in Princess Mononoke as well.
40:50
Yeah, it's just gorgeous. It is really beautiful and I, I
41:03
did find Cat Bus sinister. Yeah, I.
41:06
Thought granny was granny. Was fine, I was very happy to
41:09
accept Granny as Granny and if she wants to babysit me that
41:14
fine, don't have a problem with that.
41:15
She seems she seems a cheerful sort.
41:18
Cat Bus on the other hand, entirely the creepiest character
41:22
in this film. Are you sure?
41:25
Is it not the weird neighbor boy?
41:26
Oh. The weird neighbor boy.
41:30
Oh no, he's just shy. He's not seen the children
41:35
nearby before. No, he goes to school.
41:37
He's seen. What?
41:38
He's seen girls before. He has a scabby umbrella.
41:41
I'm not going to say a word. Why does this?
41:45
Scabby Umbrella mark him as a weirdo.
41:48
I don't know and the logic there it's just the whole exchange.
41:51
Where he doesn't talk to them, he just goes.
41:56
It's just a bit, I thought he. Was sweet.
41:58
I thought he was just shy because he's like, hides from
42:02
the monster. Yeah, because he's hiding his.
42:04
Intentions. What?
42:08
So he. Said Do.
42:10
What do? You think his intentions are?
42:13
I'm just curious. He actually made the.
42:19
Cat Bus out of cats. Stitched stitched cats together.
42:27
I did a he just, he reminded. Us of the nearby Toy Story.
42:30
That's why I didn't light up. Sid, you should say.
42:34
Toy Story Did you know that Totoro makes a cameo in Toy
42:40
Story 3? Because the director is so the
42:45
Miyazaki based the little girls based it on his own niece,
42:51
right? And originally there was only
42:52
going to be 1 little girl. And then he realised very
42:55
quickly that actually in order to tell the story, it would make
42:58
more sense for them to be to to have sisters.
43:00
Because a small child is less likely to wait at a bus stop for
43:04
their father when they're on their own than if they have an
43:08
older sibling with them. So he introduced.
43:13
An older sister character later on in the production, but the
43:17
littlest girl is based on his own niece, and she is married to
43:22
the director of Toy Story 3. And you then put Totoro into Toy
43:30
Story 3 as a cameo. Oh, that's cool.
43:33
Yeah. Yeah.
43:35
And who knows, maybe Sid was also based on based on the
43:40
creepy neighbor boy Kantor. Yeah.
43:44
What a Kantor. Oh so.
43:50
Yeah, there we go. Any favorite characters other
43:55
than? The dad, obviously, because he's
43:56
a bisexual hottie. I like I like cat boss.
44:02
And I like the way me was animated as well.
44:04
She looked like a frog, which sounds like when.
44:08
You said that. Could you message us in the chat
44:11
to be like, I like her. She looks like a frog.
44:12
And I was actually, that's a really good stand, really good
44:15
description because she kind of like, there's a lot of like,
44:18
posturing that she does when she's especially when she's
44:21
concentrating on something. Yeah, I like me.
44:25
She's my favorite character in it as well.
44:27
And there's a bit where she's running after her older sister
44:31
when she the older sister goes to, like, use the the only phone
44:35
in the village and she just like, doesn't know where they
44:38
are. And she was just watching her,
44:39
like, run around the village by herself.
44:41
And you're like, Oh no. So cute, so smart.
44:44
I like it when she's. When she's.
44:47
Following like the. Creature because it's dropping
44:49
like corn or whatever and she's following it.
44:53
That's really funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:55
Yeah. And there's another one where
44:57
she's like following it, just like mimicking it's it's.
44:59
And then it looks over its shoulder and realises she's
45:01
there and disappears. And you're like, Oh yeah, that
45:06
was cute. What do we think of?
45:08
So Totoro is obviously an iconic character that has become the
45:12
mascot of the studio. Go on, Chris, start an online
45:16
war. What do you think of Toto Totoro
45:18
as a as a character? I don't know why I don't.
45:21
Know why Totoro? Because he's he's not the best.
45:23
He's it's not the best Gibberry film.
45:25
So why have Totoro as the mascot?
45:29
It's like, what do you think the best Gibberry?
45:32
Film is obviously Poco Rosso. Or someone like us.
45:38
I want to be a pig. Man in a in a plane rather be a
45:43
pig. Than a fascist, yeah.
45:49
But I don't think this is targeted towards me, though I
45:53
can see why it, I enjoyed it. I think it's it's good, but I
45:57
don't think I'm the target audience.
46:01
I'm not. In the no, I don't think you
46:02
are. Either cutie stuff as much not
46:07
see, I prefer agree of the fireflies over this because more
46:11
happens. I know bad things happen, but
46:15
more happens, and this is kind of like a it doesn't feel like a
46:20
film to me. It feels like a short story
46:23
because at the end this is like a your mum will get better.
46:26
The end. There's no.
46:29
Like, yeah. Yeah, I thought the end was
46:31
really. Abrupt like Yeah, that's what it
46:34
doesn't feel like a. Film.
46:35
And I was just like, it just run out of like, yeah.
46:38
You don't even see. You don't even see.
46:39
Them really reunite with their mum, You just see them leave
46:42
some corn on her windowsill. Yeah, which sounds like an odd
46:46
choice, but another reason why they are real.
46:49
Because the adults see the corn there.
46:52
No So. And now?
46:55
So if. My wife.
46:58
Was. Pretty ill in the hospital,
47:00
having a fever and everything and like she's like, oh, this.
47:05
This this bit of corn. Just appeared on the windowsill
47:08
here. It's a bit.
47:09
And it's his two mum. I'm sure I've just saw our two
47:13
children in the tree outside in the second story building.
47:16
You bet. All right.
47:17
Yeah, yeah. Do you want to lie down a bit?
47:19
Have some more medicine so you think of my.
47:23
Hallucination. Yeah, the mass hallucination of
47:25
the village. Do you know our children?
47:28
That I've went missing that we don't know about.
47:30
They must have come here like cat pus.
47:32
That was it. But are a pet.
47:33
Just have some more antibiotics. Go to sleep.
47:42
So you divide, but you think. So you think Grave of the
47:44
Fireflies is the better film between the two of them?
47:47
Yeah, so. Let me check.
47:49
Let me check. This it was recommend Grave of
47:52
the Fireflies. I'm not saying just.
47:54
Stop putting words in my. Mouth.
47:59
I'm just I'm just curious. What you're defining as a better
48:02
film, so I think. These films aim to make you feel
48:08
something and I felt more from Grave of the Fireflies even
48:12
though it was a horrible void of depression.
48:15
I felt more for The Grave of the Fireflies than My Neighbor
48:18
Totoro, so I think it's achieved its goal.
48:21
They're both animated amazingly. They both have really nice parts
48:25
where to psych the the little girl and Grave of the Fireflies.
48:28
Oh stay cute and not playing around.
48:30
You kind of have their moments in My Neighbor Totoro as well.
48:36
It's just the die. At least it's got an ending.
48:41
Do you do you think do? You.
48:44
Think. The my.
48:47
Neighbor tutorial. Would have benefited from more
48:49
child death. Like how far?
48:52
Doesn't it? All I'm saying is a.
48:56
Ending is better than no ending. Interesting to to.
49:03
Me. What do you think?
49:07
If you were going to like. Better film.
49:11
I agree, I think great with the. Firefly is a better film in that
49:14
it evokes more emotion ever coming back.
49:19
No, you're right. Tutorial.
49:22
Is kind of. I don't.
49:25
Know it's it gets bored. In places it doesn't move along
49:28
that well. Like I said, it takes a while to
49:30
get going. I think the animation is
49:34
probably better in tutorial, but yeah, as a movie like if.
49:41
You made live action movies. Of these two movies, I.
49:44
Think Grave of the Fireflies. Would be like a masterpiece.
49:48
It's funny you. Should say that because there is
49:49
a. Live action TV show of Grave of
49:51
the Fireflies? Sure.
49:54
Yeah. And like hell am I watching it,
49:57
because I think it's bad enough when you're seeing it animated.
49:59
If I saw it with real children, yeah, I think it would just
50:03
about kill me. I think I'm going to pick this
50:07
differently now. Is that I don't usually and
50:10
avoid. Odd things, yeah, but yeah.
50:16
So thank you for sure. Thank you for.
50:18
Breaking your exactly just for use just for.
50:21
I just like a. Payment by this is.
50:23
Biebs as pics that might. Yeah, it was.
50:27
I stand by it. I think look, they are two very
50:32
iconic. Films, right?
50:33
If you say to someone what's the saddest anime film that they've
50:37
ever seen and they don't say Grave of the Fireflies, it's
50:39
because they've never seen the Fireflies.
50:42
But I stand by it. I think it is.
50:45
And I think you're right. It is, I think it is, and I
50:49
think, and I and I agree with right what Molly said the next
50:52
day. Sometimes it does take a day to
50:53
like to settle on the soul that it's desperately sad, but it
50:59
does make you feel something. And there are lots of very
51:01
clever things in Grave of the Fireflies that they do to make
51:06
to balance out the sadness. So you have moments where
51:09
they're playing together or you have like more like light
51:11
hearted moments between the siblings.
51:14
And that makes the contrast of the utter like horror that
51:19
they're going through so much worse.
51:22
And that's, like, masterful. It's like, well thought out.
51:26
It has a very strong message. It's the fact that it's based on
51:30
a true story only deepens the tragedy of it as well.
51:36
Yeah. Whereas Totoro.
51:37
Totoro, he's iconic, right? So he's like, it's a beautiful
51:41
film. But I agree, it's very slow to
51:43
start and nothing really happens.
51:46
You're just kind of watching these two little girls basically
51:49
settle into a new house, which is fine and.
51:53
I think watching. It, it's a film that you can
51:56
watch when you're in a really low place and it will lift your
51:59
spirits. It's like, it does fill you with
52:01
like a kind of warm fuzziness. And there are a few times I was
52:05
watching it where I was like, well, there's just, it's just
52:07
cute, right? But.
52:12
In terms of like what? Will stay with me.
52:15
Great with the fireflies to the from the first moment I've seen
52:18
it to today because I definitely rewatched it.
52:26
But from the first moment I saw it, I was like, oh, this, I'm
52:29
going to remember this film. I'm just going to.
52:31
And there will be moments that I will always remember from it,
52:35
like when, like the ashes fly out into the Meadow at the end
52:40
and you see, like, their spirits unite and they're kind of like
52:43
watching like, what's happened to them.
52:47
It's like, OK, it's there are just like moments that you just
52:50
don't stick with you. And I think Totoro, the
52:55
character design is iconic, but the actual story itself, nothing
52:58
really sticks with you except for the theme tune.
53:03
The theme tune has been with me all weekend.
53:08
And occasionally I will be just. Doing something in the kitchen,
53:10
I'll be like tah tah, tah, tah tah and I, it's like an alarm,
53:17
isn't it? Yeah, I thought it.
53:19
Was like the old Samsung. Alone, a lob.
53:23
No. Is it that morning rise or?
53:25
Whatever it was called to this day.
53:30
If I hear that noise, I get irrationally angry.
53:37
So yeah, I agree with you. I think it's, I think great for
53:40
the Fireflies better film. I'm not recommending it to
53:44
anyone who doesn't really want like doesn't really.
53:49
I feel I feel bad that you watched it with Molly because
53:52
you knew what you were signing up for, Chris.
53:55
Molly didn't. And I feel like that was
53:57
irresponsible of you as her partner to let that happen.
54:03
It's one of the things, but it's like.
54:05
People are like, Oh yeah, 10 out of 10 would never watch again
54:09
and you, you've got experience at one point.
54:11
So yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm.
54:13
Trying to think of live action films that I've had the same
54:15
reaction to as Grave of the Fireflies, and there are, I
54:20
think there are very, very few. And the only one I could think
54:23
of was a film about the bombing of Hiroshima, which, yeah.
54:32
It's like there's no. It's all like, really.
54:35
Harrowing. Harrowing.
54:37
Yeah. Warfelt.
54:39
I think it's one of the greatest war films ever made.
54:41
I'm going to say that. Grave of the Fireflies, hands
54:45
down. You don't agree?
54:48
Name of. No, that's a hot tick, yeah.
54:53
Wow, have you seen Platoon? You've seen 4 metal jackets,
55:01
have you? Seen police can be fine, I
55:06
can't. Remember one of them set in a.
55:07
Walk. Have you seen Ray?
55:09
Jordan River Quiet, Yeah. I have actually.
55:13
And you know what I thought of the river?
55:15
Quiet. Too long.
55:19
Too long. It's as slow as take my neighbor
55:21
to Torah. So what I saw that about?
55:26
The Godfather never finished it. That was bad.
55:31
The support of this. This is the wedding, no?
55:36
No, the wedding thing goes on for ages.
55:39
And Godfather. And the same with them.
55:41
Dear Hunter. Yeah, some of the scenes.
55:45
Just go on for too long. I love.
55:47
The Deer Hunter. That's a great film.
55:49
That's a Great War film. Does the.
55:52
Godfather count as a war. Film if he's a soldier.
55:59
What are war films inherently? Christmassy because I think of
56:02
films like The Great Escape as well.
56:06
Oh, I used to watch him. Letters from Iwo Jima around
56:11
Christmas. Don't know why, I mean there
56:16
seems to be something in the. Zeitgeist about oh, it's
56:19
Christmas time. Time to watch.
56:20
Good night. Good night, Mr. Tom.
56:22
Or something, That's all. Yeah, exactly.
56:26
That's that's another one where there's an dead.
56:28
Child in it as well. Dead child.
56:32
Dead child dead. Mother all the death.
56:34
Yeah, that's a sad film as well. Yeah.
56:36
Very sweet in the end, but very sad getting there.
56:39
Mr. Tom. I paid myself again.
56:42
Yeah. What would you use WV watching
56:47
at? Christmas.
56:48
Like right now? Boxing Day.
56:51
On Boxing Day. Yeah, besides us obviously,
56:56
which I watch every year back the feature.
57:04
Good shout. That's nice.
57:07
I. Like it just at the Argonauts?
57:11
I love a Jason. And the Argonauts at Chrysler I
57:14
I like I like plasticine models at Christmas because I was just
57:18
thinking Wallace and Gromit. That's a shame, Armed.
57:21
Studios. At Christmas time or like what's
57:25
the Rudolph the Reindeer 1 they did with that's where it's like
57:30
you see Ray did it see Green Deal.
57:32
One have you seen? That.
57:35
I'm not making it up. This thing, this one with
57:39
reindeer tits, is Vixen the reindeer Because you know,
57:42
Vixen's one of the reindeer, someone of Santa's reindeer.
57:45
It's, I think it's called like Rudy or something like it.
57:48
It's an admin studio, but like a grown up film about Santa's
57:55
reindeer. And I think you're making stuff
57:58
up. I'm not.
58:00
I'm. Not you see she's got she's a
58:02
reindeer with tits like making it up.
58:06
It's like Donna or someone. How would you do it at the run
58:09
of the rain Euro? Trash.
58:10
Christmas edition. Yeah.
58:13
Welcome to Santa's workshop. Here's my.
58:18
Toys. Oh yeah.
58:20
Oh, he's. Karen's coming.
58:23
Yeah, actually the snowman is another.
58:30
One that I would watch at Christmas.
58:31
I hate the snowman. It's too long.
58:33
Yeah, too much singing. I prefer I closed, I thought.
58:36
Something was less, it's less. Than an.
58:39
Hour, Chris. It's more than it should.
58:41
Be you prefer the Santa Claus one.
58:45
Where he's like in his workshop, yeah, when he goes on.
58:48
No, he goes on holiday. Don't he like after Christmas?
58:53
The Raymond Briggs one. Yeah, Raymond Briggs.
58:57
That's what I'm saying, I'd rather watch the one where the 2
58:59
old. People dying to be honest when
59:02
the wind. Blows.
59:03
You wouldn't. No one would rather watch that
59:05
film. That film is the equivalent of
59:07
Grave at the Papa's Line. I would like that better.
59:09
Than the castrati for half an hour or whatever it is.
59:14
Castrati. He's not castrati.
59:16
He's a falsetto boy. Yeah, Potato.
59:19
He's a falsetto boy. Potato, Potato.
59:23
That. One, yeah.
59:25
Yeah, no, What's his? Name.
59:27
Child. What's her name?
59:28
Chris. False.
59:31
There we go. Out Jones, the little falsetto
59:35
child. Khaled Jones.
59:39
Aled, Alec. Aled.
59:41
Ush. That's the name.
59:49
Grave of the Fireflies is the best war film.
59:50
Aled isn't a name. What other hot takes have I got?
59:57
Don't talk about, well, politics.
59:59
Equipment. Well, no, but you have.
1:00:01
Also said my neighbor tutori is crap so let's.
1:00:05
Start a fight didn't. See, it was crap.
1:00:07
I just said it. Wasn't as good as everyone sees
1:00:09
it is. What would you?
1:00:13
How was the Jubilee Mass Scotland?
1:00:14
Chris and so. There's a film that we did a
1:00:19
while ago called Poco Russell. Well, it's about a pig flying a
1:00:24
plane and him you'd have the pig.
1:00:28
I would, I would. Have the pig.
1:00:30
Yeah, he flies about. You make a cuddly tidy over him.
1:00:33
He's fun, whimsical. What do you want?
1:00:40
Either that or the wolf from Princess Mononoke.
1:00:42
Mononoke. Listen.
1:00:45
Neither of those are very good. Mascots because neither of them
1:00:47
are very cute and you need a mascot to be cute I personally
1:00:51
would choose either the soot sprites because they're in three
1:00:53
different studio Gibberry films, they're in Castle Laputa Castle
1:00:57
in the sky, they're in Spirited Away and they're in Totoro or
1:01:03
the Kodama from Princess Mononoke.
1:01:06
You know the creepy little things that like, Oh yeah,
1:01:10
they'd. Make a good mascot.
1:01:12
The neck Cricky things. Yeah, yeah, the creepy neck
1:01:15
Cricky. Things.
1:01:16
Yeah, yeah. I go for that ugly dude.
1:01:20
Who's inside the Heron and boy in there?
1:01:23
So I've never seen that. Oh, Pat, is that Robin Parson?
1:01:29
I'm a person. That's Robert Parson.
1:01:30
That's Robert Parson doing a truly unhingedly good job in
1:01:37
that film in the dub. Like, it's honestly, it's he.
1:01:40
It's absolutely amazing. You would not know it's him from
1:01:43
Twilight, but do you not? Think that when?
1:01:46
When? Jibli gets a voice actor in, you
1:01:48
get the my exactly like behind them with like.
1:01:52
Do it like this or I'll cheat. You like wraps them on the back
1:01:55
or something? I like.
1:01:58
I think it's just that they can. Afford to get into whoever they
1:02:01
like, yeah. So they say.
1:02:05
Pay for the they pay for good talents.
1:02:09
See, I've only seen them I've. Seen them act in Twilight so.
1:02:14
Yeah, and he doesn't get. But the lighthouse is another
1:02:16
good one. Probably not for Christmas.
1:02:19
He is a he is actually a really good.
1:02:21
Actor since Twilight, he's come on leaps and bounds, right?
1:02:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's had a.
1:02:27
Long and impressive career, but enough about our Pats.
1:02:33
No, let's talk more. I'm going.
1:02:36
To wrap us up. Is there anything else you want
1:02:38
to say on these two films other than I can't believe you made me
1:02:41
watch these, Phoebe? Yeah, thanks so much for.
1:02:47
You really Christmas dinner was lovely watching these.
1:02:52
Through me tears. Well, you've got to.
1:02:56
Season your food somehow, yeah? I felt great gorging myself on
1:03:01
Christmas food while watching children stop and.
1:03:06
Good, good. So you.
1:03:08
Remember the real meaning of siceless then to me, and that
1:03:10
guilt. It's live in the capitalist St.
1:03:18
OK, Well, that's the. Real meaning of Christmas Steep
1:03:26
fab steep fab. Well.
1:03:30
Thank you for very much for coming on Anime Club with us.
1:03:32
To me, I'm sorry I made you watch the world's saddest anime
1:03:37
film, but I look forward to having you back at another time
1:03:41
to hopefully if you'll come back to discuss something a lot more
1:03:44
fun. That would be great, yeah.
1:03:50
And. Thank you, as always, Chris, for
1:03:52
a wonderful year of anime. Yeah, I think this is it.
1:03:56
Now, when we next see people, it'll be 2026.
1:03:59
So in the meantime, hug a loved one.
1:04:03
Cuddle up with a good. Manga, put some anime on the
1:04:08
telly and enjoy the rest of your year folks.
1:04:12
Happy Christmas, Happy New Year. Bye bye.
1:04:16
OK, there we go. I.
1:04:20
Mean happy Christmas