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Dorothea Puente was a landlord from hell · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey, everybody. In serial killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom and my name is Brian
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  It should be fun. Once again, those of you who
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  support us, thank you so much. And this week in True Crime, my
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  story, I'm just gonna I'm gonna give you the title first.
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  Are you ready for this says Indiana mother dismembered.
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  Husband ordered children to clean up crime scene.
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  Oh my God. No, oh yeah, this is bad and it
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  only gets worse. So how many Indiana and so mom
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  killed the Husband chopped up his body and then she demanded
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  that her children help her. So mom's name is thessalonica
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  Alan, she's 34, and she killed Randy Allen.
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  She shot him and then used an axe to cut off his legs.
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  I don't know if she just got a little bit tired and didn't want
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  to continue dismembering him. She tried to enlist her two
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  teenage children to help dispose of the remains an attempt to
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  burn the body. She is facing Like half a dozen
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  charges easily murder. Abuse of a corpse child neglect
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  and this all happened. The end of July.
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  So about a week and a half ago and LaPorte Indiana.
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  Now, there was a hearing just this past Wednesday and the
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  judge entered a not guilty plea from her.
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  I don't know why she did that and she got a public defender.
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  So, the way that she was found out though is that her kids
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  refused to help and so then she called This is the best part.
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  She called one of the, the other, like the father of one of
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  the children and had him try and have him come.
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  I'm over to help her and he hopped the cops.
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  Yeah. What know who?
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  I'm trying to get me caught up in this stuff?
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  No, thank you now, she and her, not guilty pleas.
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  She said that the reason why she killed him is because he had
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  been beating the children. Hmm.
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  Okay. And that, he also beat her and
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  she shot him after a physical fight.
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  The kids. However, said that, like, Dad
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  had just been like helping them on the computer and he viewed a
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  Site that their mother had visited, which sparked an
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  argument in their bedroom and the children heard a gunshot.
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  The police also found two papers in the apartment Place.
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  Another daughter's. Pillow that appeared to be a
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  to-do list. The paper said things like hit
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  him with a hammer and stabbed him roll up the body and sheets
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  and plastic that was all released at the hearing.
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  So I don't think that salonica is going to have the best time
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  with this case. I just I mean listen I don't.
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  I hate you killing people, but if you're gonna kill somebody,
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  you got to do it a little bit better, not when the kids are
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  home and then you can't tell your teenage children.
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  So come join me know your blood on your hands to children
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  please. Yeah.
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  So that's the one that I saw this week and I'm not gonna lie,
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  I've contemplated making a tick tock of this, because it just
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  seems like it belongs in stupid ways.
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  That Killers get gone. Put what she was searching.
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  No, they did not say what the website was, just that Dad saw
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  and it bothered him. It obviously wasn't something
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  that was like illegal or grotesque because the kids would
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  have mentioned that but I'm wondering if like, maybe like
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  she, like, purchase something that he didn't want her to buy,
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  you know what I mean? That stuff that people were most
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  of the people who are married argue about.
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  Yeah, you spend your money, things of that nature or she was
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  searching for a hit man. Well, that would be weird.
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  I mean, it could. I've been a dating site that
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  would have caused an argument. Yes, you know.
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  What was that dating site for people who are married want to
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  cheat? Ashley Madison.
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  There we go. Maybe it was Ashley Madison
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  account. I got it probably was he can't
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  be Ashley Madison because there aren't any women on Ashley
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  Madison only men and fake account.
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  But what did you learn about this week?
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  Brian. Oh my God.
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  All right, so I was torn between two but this one, I think I'll
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  cover this one. Okay.
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  Okay. So try those.
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  The headline reads and She was warm public about Atlantic
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  Atlanta Park after a woman. And her dog were fatally,
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  stabbed. Wait, is this?
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  The is this related to the thing that I told you about?
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  When I said Elena police told people that this was not a
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  serial killer. And then all of the people from
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  Atlanta were like, that's exactly what you would say.
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  If there was a serial killer because it was also in Atlanta
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  this week. I'm not sure might be related.
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  Oh, wow, that's fun says, officials in Atlanta, advise the
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  public Thursday night To go to hide Mount Park.
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  Okay? Alone at night.
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  It seems like Piedmont, Piedmont.
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  Sounds familiar to me. Piedmont.
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  That might be Piedmont then again, that could be just the
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  Filly way of saying it. So let's just go with that one
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  here. That sounds like it would
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  probably be that anyway. After it's a one week after a
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  woman and her dog were stabbed to death the dog to near one of
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  the park interest is. Yes the dog.
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  Unfortunately, I don't know why but I just dug was being loud.
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  And no, I was gonna say, I don't know why I'm picky.
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  Take this one. I was just like three times in a
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  row, Brian with you. And animal deaths.
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  That's terrible. I don't know what's wrong.
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  I thought it was bad enough when I had the lady Luber driver who
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  stole the cat. Look.
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  I was talking about the last one I talked about was cat Justice,
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  okay? And this one is just
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  unfortunately, that dog death, dog death.
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  So I mean I am a cat person so but I would never wish harm upon
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  a dog I do. You love dogs as well.
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  Hello animals. Anyway.
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  Yeah, at this rate how expensive it is to get like to pay to have
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  a dog in an apartment. I won't have one until I have a
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  house. They charge like hundred twenty
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  dollars extra a month, I can't afford that but the woman her
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  name was Katherine Janice pork and she was 40 years old and she
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  was found at the scene. Multiple stab.
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  Wounds walking her dog. Yeah.
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  I don't get like why you would stabbed a donkey because The dog
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  was also found stabbed and seeing where I imagine that
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  scene. I bet you, they were real upset.
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  Like the people who saw their like, oh, this dead woman, the
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  dog is Step 2. Yeah.
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  Um, I guess they're still. Looking.
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  Okay, so there's audio from 911 call Park that was released
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  somebody sell else found it may be him.
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  Yeah yeah so hopefully somebody saw something because there's a
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  balance there, you know, it's a park.
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  So obviously there's security cameras and stuff there.
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  That recorded it. So hopefully they can find
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  something on the security cameras.
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  They are asking anyone with any information to contact the
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  Atlantic Atlanta Police homicide unit or Crime Stoppers.
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  It's a phone number if you need it. 40 45 77 8477.
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  There you go. And yeah there I guess the
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  anonymous award a reward for 10,000.
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  Dollars is pretty good for anybody with information.
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  Don't be like that, one family that I talked about a couple
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  weeks ago and Tick-Tock where the mom realized that her like,
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  kids were a part of the crime and like she called the police
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  and were like, so is there a reward for information about
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  this? And people were like You don't
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  know. Your kids are one of your kids
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  is a murderer. Yeah.
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  And the other one helped cover it up.
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  Are you really just gonna call it?
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  Ask about the reward money. I wouldn't people are mad.
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  That's kind of stupid. I don't know.
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  Oh yeah, so some pretty grisly stuff this week, unfortunately.
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  I'm sorry, that's okay. That's okay next week.
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  I won't have a non animal one. I guess we'll see what happens.
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  Brittany that I sent you. So this week, I decided to take
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  a break from the massacres. Some of the, the Nature's of
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  these like lust killers and like the, the sex crimes were a
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  little much for me. Well, I'm just really what it
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  is, is that like I spend like a lot of time reading these books,
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  and it's just a lot of that taken consistently.
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  So, I remembered that I had a series earlier this year, on
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  Tech talk called Senior serial killers and that one
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  specifically that they always interests me.
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  Because the, the general age for when people start murdering
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  others in a Serial fashion, is your late 20s to early 30s?
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  So I A lot of times people are interested in the much younger
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  Killers or the much older killers.
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  And so, you have the exceptionally young, like, Jesse
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  Pomeroy episode 15, or much older like today.
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  And She's born in 1929 and she didn't kill for the first time
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  until 1982. Oh wow, her name was Dorothea
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  Puente and she is notoriously known as the Death House
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  landlady and one of California's, more notorious
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  serial killers with a kill count of nine.
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  Oh, I think I've heard of her next, you might know this story.
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  Oh, surprise me story. I know.
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  Okay. Well, let's learn about who she
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  was. Decades, before she became a
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  murderer because she had a, I won't say interesting.
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  A lot happened and it wasn't all good.
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  So Drew Thea Helen Gray was born, January 9th, in 1929 in
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  Redlands, California, which is in San Bernardino County.
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  She was six out of seven children.
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  Number six, out of seven children to give some background
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  Redlands. California in 1929 was barely a
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  town. Yet the Great Depression and the
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  Dust Bowl had caused this. Like Mass Exodus of people from
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  the Midwest both to the east and west coast and a lot of people
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  moved into California is seeking jobs and prosperity for these
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  parents were two of those people.
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  The two of them thought like, oh, you know, California has a
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  lot of farms we can like, you know, pick fruit or do farm
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  stuff. I thinking that it was like an
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  easy job. It's not an easy job and her
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  mother Trudy May and her father, Jesse James Gray worked on one
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  of the many sprawling, orange Orchards, which was the main
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  crop in California. The time now, I have to say this
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  because I looked into this one of my friends, you'll hear me
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  refer to her as glitch. Glitch is parents named her
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  brother's after celebrities to this is, apparently, a pretty
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  common thing. Naming your child like the first
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  and last name of a celebrity. So, Jesse, James Gray.
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  Can you imagine though Justin Bieber Jackson, like an
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  appendix. Trend in the 20s and it also, it
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  came back in the 50s and so, like, that's glitches, parents
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  naming a what was her brother named like Roy?
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  Rogers something. Oh my God.
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  Is Right. Weird.
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  But yeah, it's that was already a weird Trend.
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  I was like I'd that just like struck me and I was just like he
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  imagined Beyoncé Knowles Martin. That's just sent you here thing
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  to do. But regardless They had
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  absolutely no experience when it came to Agriculture, and the two
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  of them also had a drinking problem, Trudy ended up creating
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  such a bad reputation for herself that well, they both got
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  fired from the orange Orchard, but no one else would hire her
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  and I couldn't find any records to explain exactly what she did.
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  But like from this point forward, nobody in Redlands will
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  hire Trudy. May owe a drinking on a child
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  probably well so Jesse's the sole Breadwinner and he gets a
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  job picking cotton for a sharecropper on the edge of
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  town. There.
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  They didn't seem to care if he got wasted because if he didn't
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  show up for work, they just didn't pay him for the day and
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  on the days that he did get paid.
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  He spent most of his paycheck on alcohol.
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  Hey I go to that because I'm just trying to set the scene for
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  the world. That Dorothea was born into
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  Trudy continue to drink throughout her entire pregnancy.
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  And while she was breastfeeding, they say this is the reason why
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  Dorothea was so short. She got the stunted growth as
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  Fact of fetal alcohol syndrome when she moved to solid foods
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  there really wasn't much because they were busted broke.
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  And Dorothy is older. Siblings taught her how to like
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  scavenge for food. Scraps, pretty much is when is
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  soon as she was old enough to like walk with that.
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  And that sometimes they took her out like when she was a toddler
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  and they used her as a prop to like, get sympathy and gift that
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  people, give them like food and money.
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  Wow. That's terrible.
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  Well, eventually the town started talking.
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  About the crop of gray kids who are always out begging and Trudy
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  would get upset. And she would like try and beat
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  them. The older kids were pretty used
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  to this though, and like they tried to teach Dorothea like all
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  you have to do is just avoid her, let her drink a bottle of
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  whatever it is. She's drinking around the house
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  and she's going to forget why she was mad in the first place.
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  That's terrible. Unfortunately, says treaty was
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  so small and she was the slowest.
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  Like she couldn't get away from her mom.
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  When her mom was on the warpath. Well, this is your fault.
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  She took a lot alike. It's your fault.
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  I'm so short. She took a lot of beatings meant
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  for the older children really Trudy was mad at her husband,
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  but he was never home. So she took it out.
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  A lot of the kids, think, the weird thing about her is that
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  Trudy didn't have much malice towards the children, but she
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  just didn't seem to like care about them, like they were just
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  there and kind of annoying. Boinging.
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  Now, Jesse wasn't home a lot. He was either sleeping somewhere
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  in the house at a bar or at work.
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  He was also violent with his wife and children.
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  So, everyone was happier when he just wasn't around.
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  He seemed to be more aggressive with the girl children, and they
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  don't go a lot into details about how many siblings do with
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  like the, but there were several girls and like he would just be
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  annoyed by them. And so like they would just walk
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  by and he would just hit them randomly like smack them, like
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  back Ian them, and then so they lived in a one-bedroom house for
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  Nine people like and so when he would come home and want to have
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  sex with his wife, he would literally kick the children out
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  and they would spend their walk, the streets at night Scavenging
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  for food. Oh, the hell out of the house.
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  So they kicked him out of the room, kick them out of the
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  house. He was like you need to be gone.
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  Oh and so they would like you know stop by people's houses you
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  know go through the The garbage after people had dinner several
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  times. During these night Walks Like
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  the girls had to gamble sometimes on who they were
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  walking by, you know, you never know who's gonna try and touch
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  you. And since they're Thea was still
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  so little like, like, maybe they might like grab one of the older
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  girls like skirt and miss her and grab the baby.
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  And so, she definitely experienced some level of sexual
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  assault when she was very, very young.
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  And so doing that. She didn't she didn't talk much
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  about. It's easily.
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  Couldn't get worse though, right?
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  No, hopefully not. Well one night, Jesse passes out
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  at work in the cotton field. He wakes up a rain during the
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  night. He's completely soaked through.
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  He's a terrible hacking cough and that strange cost last for
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  months and months to the point where every time he coughed he
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  was pulling on blood. A doctor was like this seems
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  like pneumonia so they told him to Stay in bed and, you know,
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  recuperate would shut down their only source of income.
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  They spent their last money on medication for him, but he
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  didn't get better. And then preacher from the local
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  church that they used to go to came by and was like, oh, that's
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  not pneumonia. This is tuberculosis oh I see a
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  lot of cases because he's like, I am in our, you administer the
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  last rites to people who are dying and for people who don't
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  know, tuberculosis is very lethal, and very contagious.
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  And so the local church was like, don't worry about it.
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  You don't have to worry about food.
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  We got you, y'all aren't allowed to leave your house, your
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  quarantine, they forcibly porn team, this entire family and
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  Jesse James Gray died in 1937. When Thea was eight years old,
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  the family had no money and he was buried in Potter's field.
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  The community felt bad for Trudy but not bad enough to risk
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  hiring her. I don't know what this woman
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  could have done to make them have a memory.
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  This long, it's been at least eight years or longer since she
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  got fired and people are still like Trudy.
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  Nah oh goodness. And so as like Like after he
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  died, they continue to quarantine the family and as no
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  one came down with tuberculosis the donations started to
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  dwindle, of course. And so Trudy began visiting with
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  men about town in exchange for services, first for payment, for
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  services. I mean, that's the job.
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  It's a job and pay well, but it paid sometimes, she'd be gone
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  for weeks at a time and the kids just kind of did for each other.
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  Other it cooks for each other. They begged in town, sometimes
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  they eat with some of the Mexican families in the
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  neighborhood. And so, then Dorothea would try
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  and pay them back by like cleaning the dishes and helping
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  out in the kitchen. A year after Jesse died.
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  Trudy got into a car accident. She'd been writing on the back
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  of one of her clients motorcycles.
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  When a car. Clipped the back wheel, the bike
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  flew off the road and down a Rocky Hill, and when her body
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  was recovered, it was unrecognizable due to the
• 22:49
  injuries she sustained. The police were like, well we
• 22:53
  have to find the family of this woman.
• 22:56
  They tracked down the kids and they're just like the kids are
• 22:59
  like She wasn't really here anyway.
• 23:04
  And they were like, well, we're just going to kind of keep doing
• 23:06
  what we've been doing. We've been handling our own
• 23:08
  business, but the state was like, no, we can't allow like a
• 23:13
  bunch of people all under 16 to live in a house together.
• 23:17
  Sorry. Children know.
• 23:19
  So they were all taken and sent to random orphanages across the
• 23:22
  state. Dorothea was alone for the first
• 23:25
  time in her life and orphanages were understaffed underfunded
• 23:30
  and A lot of horrible things happen to her.
• 23:32
  During that time for reference, you can assume that very much
• 23:36
  like the Indian schools that we are currently unearthing the
• 23:39
  horrors that happened in North America right now.
• 23:42
  Same kind of stuff happened at orphanages.
• 23:46
  Just any situation where like a few people are responsible for
• 23:51
  like a hundred children. I feel like that's a recipe for
• 23:54
  those children being horrific lie.
• 23:56
  Abuse. Yeah.
• 23:57
  Yeah. The Fiat nuns or anybody else.
• 23:59
  It never goes well. Well.
• 24:03
  But Trudy, I mean a Dorothea only to stay there for a year
• 24:07
  when she was almost 10 years old, one of her aunts learned
• 24:09
  about Trudy's death. Her, aunt went about Gathering
• 24:13
  all the kids from all over California and it took the
• 24:16
  better part of 1939 to do it, and she brought them all back
• 24:19
  together in Fresno, California, the kids very much.
• 24:24
  We're like, we're just going to try and move on from this.
• 24:28
  And when Dorothea was asked about her childhood she told
• 24:32
  People that she'd grown up in Mexico and had moved to the US
• 24:35
  when she was 10 years old, she even learned Spanish and over
• 24:39
  time she repeated this life. So often that it, she was like,
• 24:43
  she believed it. It has no Dorothea had
• 24:46
  stability. She had friends, she was growing
• 24:49
  up to be a very beautiful young girl.
• 24:52
  And then the state intervened again saying that this house
• 24:56
  that had like, four bedrooms was too small for the aunt and her
• 25:01
  children and Seven more children well which was shocking to
• 25:05
  Dorothea because she's like I grew up in a one-bedroom house
• 25:07
  with nine people. Yeah it is awesome.
• 25:09
  This is love just so much space. There is so much space for
• 25:13
  activities and they were like, yeah, no, you can't stay here.
• 25:17
  And they sent Dorothea and her siblings into foster homes.
• 25:20
  Oh my God. Why she lived in Fresno?
• 25:23
  L.a. Napa County.
• 25:26
  She was just consistently operated over and over again.
• 25:29
  And during that time period, she became kind of cold and
• 25:31
  stubborn. She would fight Foster families,
• 25:34
  even basic rules, kind of annoyed her because she'd been
• 25:37
  allowed to really come. And go her whole life except for
• 25:41
  the like year. She lived at the orphanage
• 25:43
  because nobody really cared unfortunately, by 16, Dorothea
• 25:48
  was tired of the foster home Shuffle.
• 25:50
  She got a job dropped out of school.
• 25:52
  Moved out and cut ties with everyone.
• 25:54
  She knew she even stopped reaching out to her real family
• 25:57
  because that was going to mess up her, her story that she was
• 26:01
  telling people. After she had, she saved up a
• 26:05
  little bit of money. She moved to Washington State
• 26:07
  and she ran out of money on in Olympia.
• 26:11
  She met another teen girl on the bus and they wanted a little
• 26:13
  room in a motel now at this point Dorothea is petite blonde,
• 26:20
  bright blue eyes, got that nice new bottle skin with a tiny hint
• 26:25
  of a Mexican accent, So she was the Pinnacle of like 1940s
• 26:30
  Beauty and she followed in her mother's footsteps.
• 26:35
  Now, 1945 was a really good year to be a prostitute in the u.s.
• 26:39
  because World War 2 was ending, soldiers were coming back from
• 26:41
  war, they had money and they hadn't seen a woman in years.
• 26:46
  Unlike her mother Dorothea, however, had a little bit better
• 26:48
  of a head for business and so she ended up renting two rooms
• 26:52
  so that both she and the girl could work and they stayed busy
• 26:55
  and made a lot of money. It that she started getting a
• 27:01
  regular client. He was 22 years old, and he's a
• 27:03
  soldier named, Fred McFall and he was spending, like, he liked
• 27:07
  her so much that he would look like a regular time slot to meet
• 27:10
  her and the timeslot afterward just so he could sit and talk to
• 27:13
  her. Oh, you cuddle time!
• 27:15
  Nice, she laid on her tragic. Mexican backstory, has she lost
• 27:23
  both of her parents and she'd only been allowed to move here
• 27:26
  when she was. Ten years old, and then Frank
• 27:29
  proposed to her Weeks Later. Drew they didn't really have any
• 27:33
  other options though. She was like, all right.
• 27:37
  Okay unfortunately for Fred Dorothea was a hustler through
• 27:43
  and through. She stopped hooking when she
• 27:45
  realized he could provide for her.
• 27:47
  But she had gotten used to making a lot of money while she
• 27:50
  was running her little tiny brothel.
• 27:52
  So like silk dresses getting her hair done consistently, you
• 27:57
  know, Fine Wines. Like I was living it up and
• 28:01
  fried was like, Fine. If you want it, I'll give it to
• 28:04
  you. They got married in Reno a
• 28:07
  couple months later. All of Fred's family was in
• 28:10
  Nevada, so they were there. And so, then Dorothea tells them
• 28:14
  the story at the wedding that she the Mexican tragic
• 28:19
  backstory. But then she tells his family
• 28:22
  that they actually had met in the Philippines during the the
• 28:28
  Baton Death March. And the problem with that story
• 28:31
  is that that means that Fred would have met her when she was
• 28:34
  13. I mean, yeah, which is not when
• 28:37
  he met her. The family just assumed that
• 28:41
  like she was drunk and we were like we're just gonna let this
• 28:44
  go fried assumes like she just doesn't want them to know that I
• 28:48
  met her when she was a prostitute or she's just a liar.
• 28:53
  If I got a job in Gardnerville and they had a pretty wonderful
• 28:56
  honeymoon period full of a lot of sex and she actually began
• 29:00
  showering Fred with a little bit too much attention.
• 29:02
  He kind of was a little like if she just like really into me or
• 29:07
  she like a nympho Like he was in, this is odd because
• 29:11
  generally most men in their early twenties.
• 29:14
  Aren't looking at their teenage wife who wants to bang them.
• 29:18
  And going, this feels like too much.
• 29:25
  Oh my gosh. So, the first sign of something
• 29:32
  going wrong in this marriage was that Fred?
• 29:36
  Can't like realize that she was an absolute Mass.
• 29:41
  She never lived in a household where she learned how to keep
• 29:47
  things tidy. It's true.
• 29:49
  She didn't know how to be a wife.
• 29:51
  She didn't know how to even be in a proper relationship.
• 29:54
  All she saw, in terms of adult relationships, were her drunk
• 29:58
  horny alcoholic parents. So that was a problem they would
• 30:05
  get into fights and of course she would respond by being even
• 30:09
  more sexual which didn't he didn't like it at all.
• 30:14
  Yeah. In fact Fred was like relieved
• 30:17
  when she got pregnant because he was like, great now, I don't
• 30:19
  have to fuck her. So like that, like nine month
• 30:28
  period, he's like awesome. I'm sure every time she came on
• 30:31
  to me was like, but the baby, I don't want to hurt the baby.
• 30:34
  Yeah, just rest, honey. It's okay.
• 30:37
  Take a break. She ended up having a baby girl.
• 30:42
  Dorothea kind of hoped that she would be better than her own
• 30:45
  mother, but after she had the baby, she didn't really feel
• 30:48
  anything towards her own child. She barely looked after it and
• 30:52
  one night, Fred came home from work and the house was a
• 30:54
  complete wreck and the baby was crawling through like the
• 30:58
  garbage on the floor and still wearing the diaper that he put
• 31:02
  on the baby in the morning. Oh no.
• 31:06
  Three months after their daughter was born, Dorothea
• 31:09
  started like taking the baby to her.
• 31:11
  Mother-in-law's house and leaving in there all day and
• 31:14
  then his mother-in-law would call him.
• 31:16
  Be like you have to come pick up the baby and he's like Mom,
• 31:20
  she's not good at being a mom, like please help her.
• 31:27
  And it only had seems like, oh, she didn't have a mom to look up
• 31:29
  to you. But, like, from a psychological
• 31:31
  perspective, some of my sources, believe that, because she never
• 31:35
  got to actually bond with an adult as a child in any
• 31:40
  meaningful way. At least it's possible.
• 31:43
  She didn't know how to bond with a child of her own.
• 31:46
  She's never done it. There's certain things that
• 31:49
  happen like from a psychological perspective that has to happen
• 31:53
  and they have to have it in a certain order and like, that's
• 31:56
  why I A lot of like that's why there's a big push right now for
• 31:59
  fathers to get paternity leave because the bonding period with
• 32:05
  infants is super important, right?
• 32:07
  Right, right. As is the following couple years
• 32:11
  before even the baby can talk and like things like your kids
• 32:15
  ability to speak. Depends on how often you talk to
• 32:18
  your child. Yeah, definitely kids.
• 32:20
  Learn more like the essentially they get better at the basics by
• 32:24
  having access to both of their parents and so So like maybe
• 32:28
  because she never had that like, as soon as she was born, Trudy
• 32:31
  was just like a mother one. Poor baby.
• 32:36
  Yeah. And so Frank became kind of
• 32:42
  distant and he started avoided going home and so Dorothea was
• 32:46
  just like, you know, I'm just gonna drink a little bit.
• 32:48
  Take the edge off a little know which only made things worse.
• 32:54
  She began cleaning the house, but mainly it was because she
• 32:56
  was literally home alone and bored.
• 32:59
  And so, Fred was like, oh, is this her attempt at, like
• 33:03
  reconciliation? No cleaning now.
• 33:05
  And so, Dorothea used sex and alcohol to kind of fill the void
• 33:11
  inside of her and Fred's. You dislike lustful behavior
• 33:15
  from her as a sign of Love, which he always had and she got
• 33:19
  pregnant again and Fred was like this time baby number two, she's
• 33:24
  gonna bond with baby. Number two, So when Dorothy has
• 33:30
  water broke Fred was at work. Hmm.
• 33:33
  She went to the hospital alone. She gave birth and she told the
• 33:37
  hospital, she wanted to give the baby up for adoption.
• 33:39
  Oh she came home the next day? No baby bump and no baby and
• 33:45
  Frank was like where's the baby and and Maybe, at some point she
• 33:51
  might have thought about like lying.
• 33:53
  Oh, I had a terrible miscarriage.
• 33:54
  But like, at this point she was just so fucking done that.
• 33:58
  She just said, I gave it away. It's gone.
• 34:01
  Oh like Fred immediately like rushes to all the local
• 34:06
  hospitals because she won't even tell him where she gave birth.
• 34:09
  Yeah, he tries to get his suit his second daughter, but Dorothy
• 34:13
  had already signed the paperwork, and there was
• 34:14
  nothing. That could be done
• 34:17
  unsurprisingly, they got divorced in 1948.
• 34:19
  Date Dorothea was 19 years old. Very little is mentioned about
• 34:25
  Fred and his daughter after this.
• 34:29
  So Dorothea run around apartment and the crappy part of l.a.
• 34:33
  expecting to jump back back into prostitution because she was
• 34:36
  like, well, it was good before, but 1948 was not as good of a
• 34:40
  year to be a prostitute as 1945. Also, she just given birth to
• 34:45
  two children. So she didn't have the exact
• 34:48
  perfect figure she had before, but she began Meeting clients at
• 34:56
  their homes, getting them wasted drunk waiting until they've
• 35:01
  passed out. And then robbing them of their
• 35:04
  checkbooks and valuable Nuke on. That is that's the way to get
• 35:11
  paid I guess. Well, this was successful at
• 35:15
  first, but in early 1949 police started, getting calls from
• 35:19
  bartenders about a young woman. Robbing, John's writing bad
• 35:23
  checks, the LAPD, LAPD said, but undercover operation and she got
• 35:27
  arrested within the week, right? Course, as she was only 19, the
• 35:31
  judge was pretty lenient. And she was sentenced to one
• 35:34
  year in prison, but they said she was eligible for parole
• 35:36
  after six months. in prison, she got in trouble for also not
• 35:42
  cleaning and so, Well, after you get in trouble enough for that,
• 35:48
  you start doing what you're supposed to do.
• 35:49
  Yeah, she didn't make many friends right away because she
• 35:54
  really thought she was better than most of the other women in
• 35:56
  prison. Our attitude slowly shifted
• 36:00
  though after some time of just being straight.
• 36:02
  Lonely. Yeah.
• 36:05
  And she started to see the value of relationships at least in
• 36:08
  understanding that that she could get something from other
• 36:11
  people and they could get something from her.
• 36:14
  She got really, she got a lot better at telling her fake
• 36:16
  backstory, so it was less obvious that it was faked by.
• 36:21
  Now she was raised in Mexico sent to the Philippines rescued
• 36:24
  by a soldier at the death. March, he had a tragic heart
• 36:27
  attack. Just after they got married,
• 36:29
  truly a heartbreaking. Oh, my God.
• 36:31
  That's so sad. It's going to keep its going to
• 36:34
  keep evolving as The Story Goes On.
• 36:36
  Oh, no, just got better at pickpocketing when she was and
• 36:40
  when she was in her cell, she practiced forging signatures.
• 36:43
  And then when she started talking to the other women in
• 36:45
  prison, they were like, listen the reason why you got caught
• 36:48
  like that is because you didn't change your pattern, enough
• 36:51
  police don't really even like arresting young pretty girls.
• 36:54
  So if Dorothea could just stay out of their way, when things
• 36:58
  got hot and change up, how she was robbing the men that the cop
• 37:02
  because the cops saw them as criminals to write.
• 37:04
  They were hiring prostitutes. I mean, so technically, they
• 37:07
  were also doing illegal stuff. They were like, well, if you do
• 37:10
  this, and you just kind of switch it up where you're going,
• 37:12
  and not going to the same. Cars everyday and stuff like
• 37:15
  that. She's like you'll get away with
• 37:16
  it too. She got a lot of prison, four
• 37:19
  months later. So that is two months before
• 37:22
  when she was supposed to be paroled.
• 37:24
  Oh, okay. Some of L.A.'s,
• 37:26
  most successful escorts had told her the best places to meet rich
• 37:29
  men and which hotels wouldn't bother you.
• 37:32
  So she went back to Turning tricks.
• 37:34
  She moved from Riverside County to Downtown LA.
• 37:37
  She didn't have to Rob these men anymore.
• 37:39
  So the police kind of turned a blind eye to her.
• 37:42
  In fact some pretty prominent members of the LAPD were her
• 37:45
  customers Now, what's interesting to me here is that
• 37:49
  she was definitely significantly more successful than her mother
• 37:51
  by a long shot. But she was still spending the
• 37:54
  majority of her money not getting drunk.
• 37:57
  But she had expensive tastes, like I said, and they were
• 38:00
  causing her trouble. She only drink the finest
• 38:03
  alcohol. She wore Silk Stockings only.
• 38:06
  She got new dresses and you had like weekly.
• 38:10
  She would eat out every night. Oh my god.
• 38:13
  Well, if you got the money too, I guess everything was going
• 38:17
  real good. Good then she got pregnant again
• 38:21
  since there was no access to abortion in 1950 and she
• 38:24
  couldn't work while she's pregnant.
• 38:26
  She had to kind of abandon her lifestyle.
• 38:30
  She gave birth in San Francisco in 1950.
• 38:32
  She told the adoption agency, that the father was just some
• 38:36
  guy. She hadn't bothered to learn his
• 38:38
  name, nor has she considered the consequences of taking an extra
• 38:41
  dollar from him to have sex without a condom.
• 38:46
  She went back to prostitution. immediately course, and spend
• 38:50
  the next two years hunting for a husband, That is when she met
• 38:57
  axle now. Okay, so I saw his name listed
• 39:02
  in two different ways Johnson or Johansson, and I think the
• 39:06
  actual Swedish way was probably a Johansson but the Americanized
• 39:11
  version of his name was Johnson. So there you go.
• 39:13
  We have both. He was a Swedish Merchant Seaman
• 39:16
  who was looking to settle down in America their courtship was
• 39:19
  longer than usual because they only got to go on a couple dates
• 39:22
  before he got called back to Port.
• 39:25
  But whenever he docked, he made sure to call Dorothea.
• 39:27
  She reinvented her past again, saying that her husband had died
• 39:30
  in 1948. She had been approached by a man
• 39:33
  at a department store. Who'd given her his card and
• 39:35
  told her that she could be a Rockette and she hopped on a
• 39:38
  plane to the east coast to audition.
• 39:40
  And she got the job because she was just so talented at dancing.
• 39:43
  But she wasn't ready to leave California, because she really
• 39:46
  loved her job as a chef in San Francisco.
• 39:48
  So, she would commute back and forth between California and New
• 39:51
  York. No, you would not when he ready.
• 39:55
  No, her job is a rocket ended when a girl dancing next to her,
• 39:59
  broke a heel and fell into her and they both fell into the
• 40:02
  orchestra pit and she broke her leg and the other dancer got
• 40:06
  paralyzed and that girl's husband ran off with another one
• 40:10
  of the Rockettes, why would you make that?
• 40:12
  A little Side Story watching, that's her new story.
• 40:17
  So the tragic. So we solve the Mexican then
• 40:19
  sent to the Philippines, then came back then her husband died.
• 40:23
  Now, we have the rocket story at it, too.
• 40:24
  Ooh, it who commutes from California to New York?
• 40:29
  Who knows how Axl didn't really question her story?
• 40:34
  He was like, he just kind of loved her energy and he was just
• 40:37
  like, listen, even if this is probably not entirely true,
• 40:41
  she's fun. So he proposed.
• 40:45
  Oh God and so dirty. I really liked this setup
• 40:47
  because she's like, mmm feed him.
• 40:50
  Good sex them. Good, he goes on the boat leaves
• 40:53
  me alone for a couple. Months.
• 40:56
  Sounds fun. She started burning through the
• 40:59
  money again though. Drinking.
• 41:04
  A lot of drinking. And usually what would happen is
• 41:07
  that she would just live like completely shitty and then when
• 41:12
  she got word that Axl was coming back, she clean it.
• 41:15
  She would clean everything up and be ready for him.
• 41:20
  But one time she was too drunk and he walked into the house and
• 41:23
  it was completely like a mess from top to bottom and he walks
• 41:27
  through the bedroom and she was passed out on their bed.
• 41:31
  And he beat the crap out of her. And because it was the 1950s and
• 41:36
  people didn't really there that they're like, neighbors might
• 41:40
  have been like my business prefer having a messy house.
• 41:45
  It's fine. Yeah, he went back to the Sea.
• 41:52
  She got bored. She started drinking and
• 41:54
  spiraling again. Then she started bringing men
• 41:58
  home. Now, her neighbors, didn't
• 42:00
  realize she was turning tricks again.
• 42:03
  They just thought she was cheating, so they told Axl when
• 42:07
  he got home. Oh, no, no, no.
• 42:10
  This went on for years. He would beat her until she
• 42:14
  began to act, right? And then she would do whatever
• 42:16
  she wanted while he was on, you know, on the water and then She
• 42:24
  would do what he wanted while he was back on Shore.
• 42:28
  She reinvented her backstory again, while they were still
• 42:32
  dating saying that she was like a holistic doctor and people
• 42:36
  kind of believed it because she brought like she had a lot of
• 42:38
  potions in her house. And like the neighbors would be
• 42:41
  like, yo, you know, what do I do about this word on my foot?
• 42:44
  And she be like I got you and she would go get like one of her
• 42:47
  little concoctions and give it to people and they worked but
• 42:50
  like she's are probably just like old wives tale.
• 42:52
  Al's. She's like, huh?
• 42:59
  but the problem was like her husband was like Where are you
• 43:03
  getting all these random real drugs from?
• 43:06
  And she's like, listen. He's like, also you never told
• 43:08
  me that you were like any kind of a doctor.
• 43:10
  She's like, listen, listen, I learned about this in Mexico.
• 43:13
  I would travel with my mother to remote Villages.
• 43:16
  And so I learned by watching her and at this point axles, like,
• 43:22
  what is wrong with this woman? And he has her committed in 1961
• 43:27
  was only because she's a liar. She's 32 years old, and she had
• 43:32
  pretty, All time at the San Francisco Marine Hospital.
• 43:35
  The problem is they didn't distinguish between people who
• 43:38
  were criminally insane versus those just in the middle of like
• 43:41
  a crisis, mmm, and the hospital also had a lot of six Sailors
• 43:45
  who were bringing in diseases from everywhere because they
• 43:48
  went all around the world. Yeah, at one point, axle
• 43:51
  actually had to step in because they were like, yeah, so we have
• 43:55
  her plan to be on the sterilization on this date and
• 43:59
  they were like, wait, what? Your sterilizing my wife, that's
• 44:02
  it. Does the hospital still had an
• 44:03
  active Eugenics program in the 60s?
• 44:07
  Yeah. And for anybody listening, who
• 44:08
  doesn't know the these programs were specifically for mentally
• 44:13
  ill, disabled people, and sometimes they forced it on
• 44:18
  black women, as a means of population control.
• 44:22
  So that the bad people wouldn't have children.
• 44:26
  Furthermore, a lot of States paid out, like, in the 80s and
• 44:30
  90s for forcibly. Sterilizing a lot of people
• 44:34
  across America. Fucking disgusting, you know,
• 44:38
  pretty much the way to deal with the mentally ill was to make
• 44:40
  sure at bare minimum. They couldn't make more mentally
• 44:43
  ill people because that's how that works.
• 44:45
  So, yeah, definitely the doctors found her a bit strange.
• 44:48
  She was pretty normal except when it came to these constantly
• 44:51
  changing stories today. Dorothea might have been
• 44:55
  diagnosed as being narcissistic, maybe even psychopathy
• 45:01
  specifically because she had no ability to emotionally connect
• 45:05
  with anyone. And a distinct lack of empathy.
• 45:09
  As Burgers she well you think she would be on the Spectrum had
• 45:13
  to think about like the fact that she also had fetal alcohol
• 45:17
  syndrome before we even knew what that was right.
• 45:22
  So like maybe that's part of it too.
• 45:24
  Was there a brain development issue?
• 45:25
  We don't know. But they were like, she's
• 45:32
  obviously having hallucinations and she's a schizophrenic.
• 45:35
  So like the reason why your schizophrenia gets like this, is
• 45:38
  because you're drinking so much, so stop drinking and go home and
• 45:41
  be with your husband. And that was the that was the
• 45:43
  diagnosis and the treatment. So that that was it.
• 45:53
  That was you just the medicine. Okay.
• 45:56
  If you stop drinking you'll be all right.
• 45:58
  I mean they weren't wrong, okay? It's just a regular, the wrong
• 46:02
  reason. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that was,
• 46:04
  that's right. But that's not right.
• 46:06
  That's how we treat schizophrenia though.
• 46:08
  Fail. Oh my God.
• 46:11
  So dirty. I had really like accepted being
• 46:14
  beaten by Axel because she was like Listen, I'm a really
• 46:17
  terrible wife so like I deserve it but she was not okay with the
• 46:20
  fact that he put her in a facility and the chasm very much
• 46:24
  grew between them. He kept putting off like going
• 46:27
  back out to sea because he was just like, I need to watch her
• 46:29
  and make sure she's okay. He eventually had to go back to
• 46:33
  work and he was like, fuck. When I get back, my house is
• 46:37
  going to be trash, is going to be awful, turns out.
• 46:40
  He had nothing to worry about. When he got home, the house was
• 46:43
  perfect. It also was empty because
• 46:46
  Dorothea legit left as soon as he was gone.
• 46:49
  Oh, she packed up all her stuff and she moved She moved to
• 46:54
  Sacramento. She's now in her mid-30s.
• 46:59
  She's got the body of a 30, something year old lady, but she
• 47:03
  still smart. So she gets back in touch with
• 47:06
  some old friends who were prostitutes and she starts
• 47:08
  organizing. She sets up the women in a
• 47:11
  house. Takes a cut.
• 47:13
  Has a brothel. Oh, there you go.
• 47:16
  The early 60s. Were a good time to be a
• 47:18
  prostitute. Unfortunately, that's because
• 47:23
  just has a lot of progressive things going on in America at
• 47:29
  the time. Oh, right?
• 47:31
  Yes. And unfortunately though she
• 47:36
  picked a house in a nicer neighborhood and her neighbors,
• 47:39
  reported her, the police did a sting operation, she and all the
• 47:43
  other women were arrested and I got to tell you the sting
• 47:46
  operation was ridiculous. So the front of the house was
• 47:49
  like a fake situation, right? And so a cop came in he
• 47:52
  pretended to be like a good trucker and like She like told
• 47:56
  him about all the different girls, explain them all?
• 47:58
  Like what they offered, he was like, I don't like any of them
• 48:01
  and so she was like I can give you a blowjob if you want like
• 48:05
  and you pay for it and he was like, yeah.
• 48:07
  Now you're all going to jail. What the hell?
• 48:09
  I was like, I don't want what, what?
• 48:12
  Yeah, that's how I feel about that story too is because she
• 48:15
  offered I think so. Is that why?
• 48:18
  Okay, I mean okay, well they was you got arrested though she told
• 48:24
  the police she had. Idea, that place was a brothel
• 48:28
  and she was just there. Visiting one of her friends.
• 48:30
  Yeah. They were talking about blow
• 48:32
  jobs and stuff, she got 90 days in jail and she made the best of
• 48:37
  it. She ran into a snag though
• 48:40
  because they were like, we really don't want to release you
• 48:42
  without a real address. But Axl wasn't picking up the
• 48:45
  phone. He was filing for divorce and he
• 48:48
  had been told by his lawyers don't respond because that can
• 48:50
  mess things up. So she got released and then she
• 48:54
  immediately got arrested again. Again, for vagrancy and put back
• 48:57
  in prison for another 90 days, which I gotta tell you, that
• 49:00
  just seems like a setup. So, she has lost a house that
• 49:03
  she had. Oh yeah, they took it back.
• 49:05
  Oh goodness. She wish pretty shocked.
• 49:09
  That axle wouldn't help her because they had been together
• 49:12
  for, like, 10 years. She thought like dang, not even
• 49:15
  only been gone for like three months.
• 49:17
  Yeah, but he was barely there, you know, true.
• 49:22
  Anyway, well in prison, she became a health expert.
• 49:26
  And prisoners came to her for advice.
• 49:28
  And this time when she got out, she became a nurse aide for the
• 49:31
  elderly, the very go. It was boring work and it paid
• 49:35
  crappy because she was an ex-con now, but it was a safe job.
• 49:39
  She started cooking for herself when she would cook with their
• 49:41
  clients to save her own cash and they didn't seem to care.
• 49:45
  Even though it was technically stealing, but they were like,
• 49:47
  yeah, she's a good cook and she wants to sit here and eat with
• 49:49
  me. So, whatever occasionally meds
• 49:52
  went missing but they were like maths, doctor will send more.
• 49:56
  And they did soon. The alcohol started going
• 49:58
  missing with the food then she's just started out right ceiling
• 50:02
  from herbaceous. She would use their own meds to
• 50:06
  put them to sleep and then she would steal money from them or
• 50:10
  just lay around doing nothing at work.
• 50:13
  She retired from private, nursing in 1966 after several
• 50:17
  patients died and she didn't want people connecting the dots.
• 50:22
  She managed to avoid going to jail for these because when
• 50:25
  autopsy I performed the patients had only the drugs that had been
• 50:29
  prescribed to them in their system and it wasn't like high
• 50:32
  enough doses to kill them. But technically, there's a
• 50:38
  belief that her total kill count is actually 15 because during
• 50:42
  this time period, like six of her patients died.
• 50:47
  Interesting. So if we add those in and
• 50:51
  technically she would have start killing people in the 60s but
• 50:55
  technically like Like this was more neglect than outright
• 50:58
  choosing, the murder somebody, right?
• 51:00
  Yeah. Regardless she took the all that
• 51:02
  money. She bought a large house at the
• 51:04
  corner of 21st and F Street. She knew the state wouldn't give
• 51:07
  her a license to run a boarding house since she had so many
• 51:10
  solicitation charges on her record, but she's just gonna do
• 51:13
  it anyway. Oh, oh, okay, I just really
• 51:17
  enough. Like she's listed here as being
• 51:19
  only in her late 30s. But looking easily 20 or 30
• 51:23
  years. Older, the years of drinking And
• 51:26
  just the lifestyle were hard on her life.
• 51:29
  Hm. Also she was just tired.
• 51:32
  Like she needed help to get the rooming house, ready.
• 51:34
  So she reached out for workers within the Hispanic Community,
• 51:37
  the local immigrants came out to help and there she met Roberto
• 51:42
  point. They they met and fell in love.
• 51:45
  Not really. He was looking to have a future
• 51:47
  in the US and he noticed whenever they were doing stuff,
• 51:50
  and walked by that, she stared at him real hard and he knew
• 51:53
  what that meant. So their relationship moved from
• 51:58
  business to personal, she, let the other workers go and he
• 52:02
  became the full-time. Handyman at her boarding house
• 52:05
  and when I say this was a big house for tea rooms, oh,
• 52:09
  massive, she gave him a place to live and eat and also if he
• 52:16
  wanted to sex, but they were not couple, like, he was like 20 and
• 52:23
  she was like 40 and her. Hair was turning white, and it
• 52:27
  was pretty obvious that he was using her, but she was also
• 52:30
  using him. So it felt a little, alright?
• 52:34
  The house opened in 1966, the rooms fill up immediately.
• 52:39
  The state is full of disabled and homeless people, because
• 52:42
  some of the The hospitals were beating deinstitutionalized and
• 52:51
  shut down. So people need places to live.
• 52:55
  And so the social workers would call her and there were like,
• 52:58
  hey, do you have space in here? You know, this person gets an
• 53:01
  SSI, check for the rent, she charged.
• 53:04
  She would also cook for all of her tenants and do their
• 53:06
  laundry. They thought she was a saint now
• 53:09
  really, she was checking their clothing for Wayward cash and
• 53:12
  stealing things from them. But regardless, of course, and
• 53:16
  1968 Dorothy and Roberto travel to Mexico.
• 53:18
  City had an extravagant wedding with her fanciest wedding to
• 53:22
  date. She loved Mexico and didn't want
• 53:24
  to go home. When we got back though, with
• 53:28
  the citizenship secured Roberto started looking for others.
• 53:32
  He apparently never stopped dating other women.
• 53:35
  Like, even like while they were dating before, he was like
• 53:39
  dating women like in the early to because he was 20 and like in
• 53:42
  the early 20th, I mean yeah. And he didn't Want to have sex
• 53:47
  with Dorothea like at all. Oh no.
• 53:49
  As soon as he could, he moved to a spare bedroom in the house
• 53:52
  saying is because she snored. now, he never brought a woman
• 53:56
  back to the house because he knew the tenants adore Dorothea
• 54:01
  and they would tell on him, but He would be seen out in public
• 54:07
  with other women and Dorothea, was becoming this respected
• 54:12
  member of the community because she was doing so much for this
• 54:15
  Panic Community, she was done. Like I'm going to get more of
• 54:17
  that in a little bit but so people would call her and be
• 54:20
  like we saw your husband with a lady.
• 54:24
  But Dorothea was just like, honestly, I don't care.
• 54:28
  Just make sure you don't embarrass me.
• 54:30
  Oh my God. So back to why people thought
• 54:33
  she wasn't saying so She started donating a lot of money to
• 54:38
  charity this glamorous life that she'd always wanted and lied
• 54:42
  about became real. She had dinners with Pat Brown.
• 54:46
  Ronald Reagan, Clint Eastwood actually, funny story with the
• 54:49
  cleat Clint Eastwood dinner that she had, it was for like a
• 54:52
  republican like thing at dinner and she was annoyed because
• 54:57
  Clint Eastwood cared more about like his date that he brought
• 55:00
  with him. Then her own.
• 55:03
  Oh imagine that She created this like reputation, we're like a
• 55:10
  very much legitimised. Her folks would never accuse her
• 55:14
  of stealing from them, and if they did, when the police talked
• 55:17
  to her, it was immediately dropped.
• 55:19
  Like she had a little office and her office was full of pictures
• 55:22
  of her shaking hands with celebrities and like who you
• 55:25
  believe this respected beloved woman who donates to Charities
• 55:29
  and schools all over the community or a mentally ill
• 55:32
  person who lost a ring maybe sometime in the last Ear.
• 55:36
  Well based on movies, I'm going to say the mentally ill person.
• 55:43
  Roberto kind of enjoyed. Being a husband who didn't have
• 55:45
  to do anything. In fact, he stopped doing his
• 55:48
  job as a handyman, he would show up to take pictures for the
• 55:50
  fancy dinners, but that was about it.
• 55:53
  They started arguing a lot, he check out.
• 55:55
  He had checked out of the marriage entirely and when he
• 55:58
  officially left, Drifter Thea was already over him one day she
• 56:02
  like was gone to the house and she checked his room and it was
• 56:05
  empty. She pocketed, she like she did
• 56:07
  with any other tenant. She cleaned it up pocket,
• 56:10
  anything that seemed valuable and felt a sense of relief, she
• 56:16
  was back to relying on herself. The only person she could depend
• 56:18
  on Ice, no one to embarrass me. Of course, in the eyes of the
• 56:23
  community, her husband abandoned her, and so they were like,
• 56:26
  well, you know, it's understandable that she's been
• 56:28
  going to bars looking for people.
• 56:29
  Yeah. She started going after much
• 56:32
  older, man. Who are receiving checks
• 56:36
  tensions? Some of those men ended up as
• 56:39
  ten minutes at her house and others.
• 56:41
  She just robbed after having sex with them and drugging them.
• 56:45
  Police started getting reports of a glamorous older woman
• 56:50
  robbing men, she's being risky here but she didn't get caught
• 56:55
  doing this. 1976 she's 47 years old.
• 56:59
  She meets her next husband, Pedro Montalvo, he was an
• 57:03
  alcoholic at a bar who she picked up with the intention of
• 57:07
  robbing him. Turned out.
• 57:08
  She kind of liked him so she didn't drug them and they ended
• 57:11
  up sitting in her apartment above the boarding house.
• 57:13
  Just talking all night. Oh cool, that's cool.
• 57:16
  He moved. It almost immediately.
• 57:18
  They had a small ceremony at the local church, which wasn't legit
• 57:21
  because she was still married to Puente, but she didn't feel like
• 57:25
  being bothered by the divorce. Doesn't he had ran off anyway,
• 57:28
  who cares? Well, this was pretty short
• 57:31
  lived because it happened within like a month as soon as Pedro
• 57:35
  moved in. He Reveals His true nature.
• 57:38
  He wanted his woman to submit to him and when Dorothea would not,
• 57:42
  he would hit her. When he got drunk, his temper
• 57:44
  was like unpredictable and while Dorothy was no stranger to
• 57:49
  violence first from her dad, then from her second husband,
• 57:54
  like this was very different in response to those random
• 57:58
  attacks, she stopped going back up to her apartment and would
• 58:02
  spend time with her residents, who thought she was amazing.
• 58:06
  So, Pedro was like mad because not only is his wife being
• 58:09
  disobedient, but now she's being absent, but he couldn't hit her
• 58:12
  in front of the tenants. And so, then, I'm like two
• 58:15
  months after their random wedding, he just leaves.
• 58:17
  Yay. Okay good.
• 58:19
  Fuck out of here. It's wasted drunk ends up in a
• 58:21
  different state, and this is the last man that Dorothea would
• 58:24
  reach out to on her own cool. She started her Bar Crawl again,
• 58:29
  but this time was different. She was kind of revolted and
• 58:33
  just generally disgusted by men. Instead of robbing them, she
• 58:39
  would get enough information from them while they were drunk
• 58:42
  change, their address to her boarding house.
• 58:46
  Also, you are still reacting to me saying she was revolted by
• 58:49
  men. Yes, I was just wanted to
• 58:50
  comment on it. I mean, yes, that that happens
• 58:53
  after a while you just you just get fucking tired.
• 58:58
  Men like, bro, y'all suck. I'm always there, I'm somewhere
• 59:05
  on the line like it. This is a thin line of like,
• 59:09
  maybe I'd like to know they suck.
• 59:14
  Oh my God. Okay, sorry.
• 59:17
  But right, so what she was doing, when she would talk to
• 59:19
  them while they were at the bar, she'd write down their
• 59:21
  information when they weren't looking and then she would
• 59:24
  change their address to her party house.
• 59:27
  No one questioned it since boarding houses, have so many
• 59:29
  people moving in and out constantly.
• 59:32
  And so, by the time, the men got their checks, rerouted back to
• 59:35
  her, she had collected like one or two months worth of pension.
• 59:38
  Hmm, she invested her that money into a restaurant because after
• 59:43
  her time Talking to rich people. She was like, hmm, rich people
• 59:46
  make more money by putting their money into other businesses.
• 59:51
  So she got a business partner named Ruth Munroe.
• 59:54
  At first, your Thea was the cook at this restaurant that they
• 59:56
  purchased and then when she got tired of doing regular work and
• 1:00:00
  like went back to the boarding house Ruth was cool because she
• 1:00:04
  was just like, listen, the business is making enough money
• 1:00:05
  to support itself and workers, you're good, they became friends
• 1:00:11
  and that made Dorothea feel strange.
• 1:00:13
  JH, since she had never spent time with anyone who just wanted
• 1:00:17
  to be nice to her and accept nothing in return.
• 1:00:21
  Imagine that 1982, one of her front of the police department
• 1:00:26
  is like, listen, they're building a case against you for
• 1:00:30
  all these government checks that have bounced through your place,
• 1:00:35
  there was nothing to rob the drugging and the robberies to
• 1:00:37
  her, but some of the men who she defrauded were pretty open with
• 1:00:41
  the police and connections are being made.
• 1:00:44
  And then because that was now a thing.
• 1:00:47
  The police were like, well, maybe we should look into the
• 1:00:50
  allegations from her previous tenants.
• 1:00:54
  You need to figure out what to do because she was going to go
• 1:00:56
  to jail for a long time. So Ruth's husband had cancer and
• 1:01:02
  the doctors were going to stop, prescribing him pain meds
• 1:01:04
  because like at this point they felt like he's just going to die
• 1:01:08
  and you're delaying the inevitable.
• 1:01:10
  The cost of his care was a lot so she sold her house to pay for
• 1:01:16
  his care and since she had nowhere to go, our kids have
• 1:01:20
  moved out to other states through Thea, offered her Space
• 1:01:23
  in her own apartment above the boarding house.
• 1:01:25
  Ruth was kind of surprised but she accepted the offer.
• 1:01:29
  And Ruth was treated like a queen there.
• 1:01:32
  Like trivia was kind and caring and attentive.
• 1:01:35
  And Ruth is like, wow, no wonder so many people want to live here
• 1:01:39
  and then Ruth started getting sick first.
• 1:01:42
  She just started feeling a little sluggish, then encouraged
• 1:01:45
  by Dorothea. She started drinking to calm her
• 1:01:47
  nerves. That, of course, allowed
• 1:01:50
  Dorothea to continue drug occur. In early April of 1982 Ruth son.
• 1:01:55
  William Clausen came to visit her.
• 1:01:57
  When he found out that she was sick, he was surprised to see
• 1:02:00
  her sitting on the couch laughing with a crème de menthe
• 1:02:03
  in her hand, which is honestly not a good drink but that's
• 1:02:08
  beside the point. It's just nasty liquor.
• 1:02:11
  It's a it's crowded in math. Isn't as cement drink.
• 1:02:14
  Yeah. It's a it's a freaking cordials
• 1:02:16
  a mixer. Yeah, you don't just drink that
• 1:02:18
  but apparently back, then, you did gross.
• 1:02:22
  Yeah. So but Ruth was like, this is my
• 1:02:27
  friend with Thea, you know, we run a business together, she
• 1:02:31
  used to be a nurse so she's taking care of me, William was
• 1:02:34
  suspicious, but he couldn't really figure Dorothea out.
• 1:02:37
  He was like, listen, I never even heard of this woman until a
• 1:02:40
  couple weeks ago. Hmm, But like she seemed like on
• 1:02:44
  paper like a really incredible person of course.
• 1:02:48
  And he went back home. The Southland Park by the end of
• 1:02:51
  April, Ruth was dead. With the other investigations
• 1:02:56
  against her Dorothea was definitely a suspect but the
• 1:02:59
  detectives couldn't find any evidence to show that she was
• 1:03:01
  the murderer. You know, Dorothea played the
• 1:03:04
  distraught friend, I can't believe my friend, we have to
• 1:03:08
  close our business. Now, I can't run it without her,
• 1:03:10
  they won't even do that detectives needed something.
• 1:03:14
  And so, Dorothy had told them that.
• 1:03:15
  Well, she's been really depressed lately.
• 1:03:17
  She had to sell her husband, her house or husband's dying.
• 1:03:21
  She'd been drinking a lot, the corner discovered that she had
• 1:03:24
  Had overdosed on her own medicine, alcohol, and
• 1:03:27
  over-the-counter drugs. They ruled this as a suicide.
• 1:03:31
  Lou son was not happy about this, but he was just like,
• 1:03:34
  well, they have a joint account, my mom and Dorothea.
• 1:03:37
  He's like, so I'm just going to watch and see if Dorothea drains
• 1:03:40
  the account, The Joint business account and if she does, I'ma
• 1:03:44
  come for her, I mean, but she has to close her business now
• 1:03:48
  anyway. So what is she just closed the
• 1:03:50
  business account then? Well, technically, I think if
• 1:03:52
  you have a joint business account and and the money would
• 1:03:55
  be split evenly between both people.
• 1:03:57
  So he was looking for her. Do something illegal.
• 1:03:59
  Okay. This was directly as first real
• 1:04:02
  official murder, but she was not an idiot.
• 1:04:04
  She knew the police were watching her and all of her and
• 1:04:07
  police informants were just like, listen, I can't tell you
• 1:04:10
  anything else other than go get a good attorney.
• 1:04:12
  Yeah. She knew if she took Ruth money
• 1:04:15
  right away, she get caught. So her plan was to not drain the
• 1:04:18
  account until she was in Mexico. So she booked a trip to Mexico.
• 1:04:23
  The cops got wind of it and they grabbed her just as she was
• 1:04:26
  getting in a taxi with her luggage.
• 1:04:29
  The problem with that was they wanted to take their time
• 1:04:33
  because they had 30 fraud cases against her.
• 1:04:37
  But they grabbed her too soon. And so in fact, only three of
• 1:04:42
  those fraud cases were actually finished.
• 1:04:45
  The investigations were finished and so the judge was just like,
• 1:04:50
  I can't hold her for Stuff work you haven't done yet.
• 1:04:54
  And yeah, so he was in the judge was also kind of moved by the
• 1:04:58
  fact that she was. So, giving to the community, he
• 1:05:02
  really gave her the benefit of the doubt, and gave her five
• 1:05:05
  years in prison for three investing for the three of us.
• 1:05:07
  Investigations that have been completed.
• 1:05:09
  He said that there would be parole afterward.
• 1:05:11
  It was a weird parole rule, though.
• 1:05:13
  So, her parole was that she could never run a boarding house
• 1:05:16
  or work with people of a diminished capacity, pretty much
• 1:05:20
  ever again. Which were the people who she
• 1:05:23
  made a fortune exploiting. And then they said, I just
• 1:05:27
  Sacramento County Jail. In jail.
• 1:05:30
  She was an older woman. She was known to be the prison
• 1:05:33
  gossip, which kind of allowed her to kind of pass through all
• 1:05:36
  the gangs with no issue. She even talked to the guards
• 1:05:39
  and pass along information which was her fatal flaw, not fatal,
• 1:05:43
  but a big flaw. She told the guards who have
• 1:05:46
  been responsible for an assault on another enemy and the
• 1:05:50
  response to that was that Dorothea got beaten within an
• 1:05:53
  inch of her life in the shower and left for dead.
• 1:05:58
  She got Were to the hospital Wing.
• 1:06:00
  They wrapped her broken ribs. And then they put her in
• 1:06:03
  solitary and they were like, we'll just keep her here until
• 1:06:06
  this blows over and that was a year.
• 1:06:09
  Oh, It also caused a whole ripple effect in the prison.
• 1:06:16
  That was pretty awful too, because she given them the names
• 1:06:19
  of the people who were in charge of these attacks who were, like
• 1:06:22
  gang leaders. So they were all also in
• 1:06:24
  solitary, and then there was nobody to keep the gangs in
• 1:06:27
  check. So, like everything was real
• 1:06:29
  quiet. Yes.
• 1:06:31
  But what the attack on her did do was, he told everybody else
• 1:06:35
  don't talk to the guards. So from solitary, she started
• 1:06:41
  writing letters in prison. She's not responding to like
• 1:06:43
  those prison pen pals and those letter she could be whoever she
• 1:06:48
  wanted and she could take as long as she wanted to tweak the
• 1:06:51
  story and make it more believable.
• 1:06:54
  One man wrote to her every day. His name was ever seen, Gil - he
• 1:06:58
  was retired. He lived in Oregon a widower
• 1:07:01
  with children who never visited him.
• 1:07:03
  He was a loving man who was very lonely and I became friends.
• 1:07:08
  And then he started sending her commissary money by the time,
• 1:07:11
  she went back to gen. Pop the letters had turned very
• 1:07:14
  serious and the two were making plans together.
• 1:07:18
  Ever seen, was the man that Dorothea wished, she had met,
• 1:07:22
  when she was 16, the kind of person who she, you know, kind
• 1:07:25
  of bright. I'd hoped to had meet the
• 1:07:28
  problem was at 54 years old, that little girl was long on,
• 1:07:32
  right? Yeah, ever seen was talking to a
• 1:07:34
  woman who killed her best friend for a ticket to Mexico.
• 1:07:38
  It's just a different kind of gal.
• 1:07:40
  Yeah, when she was released in 1985, on parole ever seen,
• 1:07:44
  picked her up their relationship lasted for three months.
• 1:07:48
  Her big boarding house have been sold because she owed four
• 1:07:51
  thousand dollars in restitution to the victims to pay back the
• 1:07:55
  money that was stolen her. She couldn't buy it back from
• 1:08:00
  whoever had purchased it because It was being like renovated,
• 1:08:06
  right? Everson helped her get a new
• 1:08:09
  smaller house and her own apartment down the street.
• 1:08:12
  They opened a joint account together to prepare for their
• 1:08:14
  wedding and he put He would put like the rent money in there was
• 1:08:19
  like $600 which is still a lot of money because the $600 in
• 1:08:23
  1985 way different than $600 in 2021.
• 1:08:27
  That's true. So I must have been a pretty
• 1:08:29
  nice apartment. Iverson had his very large
• 1:08:34
  pension directed to their joint account and this was so they
• 1:08:37
  could show their income to the bank when they were going to
• 1:08:40
  eventually buy a house together. Even though all of her wealthy
• 1:08:45
  friends in abandoned, her the social workers of Sacramento
• 1:08:49
  loved her. And they were just like, you got
• 1:08:51
  a new house. We got people and nobody else
• 1:08:54
  will let these people stay anywhere.
• 1:08:55
  What the hell? No, guys you, what are you
• 1:08:58
  doing? So this time her boarding house
• 1:09:05
  became the worst cases people who are seriously mentally ill,
• 1:09:09
  very drug and alcohol dependent criminal people who couldn't get
• 1:09:13
  a place to stay that way if they disappeared in a month.
• 1:09:17
  Nobody cared. Oh ok NVM thing that what you're
• 1:09:21
  doing a verse in more than likely didn't realize the truth
• 1:09:25
  until he found himself. Also going through what Ruth
• 1:09:28
  went through. Because he died too.
• 1:09:32
  That's why I hid or their relationship was so short.
• 1:09:34
  She drugged him as well. Now, Dorothea new of ever since
• 1:09:38
  body made it to a corner that it would be identical to what
• 1:09:41
  happened to Ruth. So she was like, his body has to
• 1:09:44
  disappear. So she wrapped him in sheets
• 1:09:46
  like bed sheets, then plastic sheeting.
• 1:09:49
  Then she started contacting some ex-cons folks new in the area.
• 1:09:55
  You work for Dorothea, you don't ask questions, you do your job,
• 1:09:59
  you make a lot of money. So she had hired a bunch of
• 1:10:04
  different guys to help with getting the regular house ready
• 1:10:07
  and one she ended up like connecting with his name was SML
• 1:10:11
  Flores and she was just like, listen I need you to build some
• 1:10:16
  special stuff for me. She asked him to build a box
• 1:10:19
  that was six feet long and she wanted him to deliver that to
• 1:10:26
  her apartment because she was gonna be moving things from her
• 1:10:29
  apartment to the rooming house. And then Then she wanted him to
• 1:10:33
  build a bookcase in her room in the boarding house and then she
• 1:10:38
  was going to put books in the the the coffin Shaped Box.
• 1:10:44
  She asked me to build the 6-foot bodice six-foot-long box, which
• 1:10:49
  is doesn't make any sense? Then she bought him a car like a
• 1:10:54
  truck. And she said, hey, once you're
• 1:10:58
  done building the book house, I'll fill the thing and you can,
• 1:11:01
  you know, cart a box of book. We could will take you to the
• 1:11:03
  boardinghouse, the box of books being ever since body.
• 1:11:07
  She then she nailed it shut. And he was like, that's kind of
• 1:11:09
  weird. She's like, that's so nothing
• 1:11:11
  falls out. Oh yeah, of course we took a
• 1:11:14
  taxi ride, a very weird, a taxi ride where and where she was
• 1:11:18
  like, turn left turn, right, turn this way and then she told
• 1:11:21
  them to go to the Garden Highway in, Sutter County and she's
• 1:11:25
  Like, you know what? I've changed my mind.
• 1:11:27
  I don't want this box. Let's just throw it.
• 1:11:31
  Oh, the highway off the highway because it was an area where
• 1:11:33
  people dispose of a lot of junk, it was right on the edge of a
• 1:11:37
  river. Okay.
• 1:11:39
  And so it's mail picked it up and chucked over the edge.
• 1:11:43
  You know, I spent all this time on this box.
• 1:11:46
  You just want to throw it away. Well, it smells like she was
• 1:11:51
  really happy with me but then like she didn't hire him
• 1:11:53
  anymore. Yeah.
• 1:11:55
  He was like, you know what? I got paid and also like I also
• 1:11:58
  got a free car from this job. So I'm just gonna like Not
• 1:12:01
  question it. Yeah, don't yeah.
• 1:12:04
  Yeah. Early 1986 everson's body is
• 1:12:08
  discovered on the banks of the river by a fisherman.
• 1:12:11
  The 6-foot box looked exactly like a coffin.
• 1:12:14
  The police were called with the body was like horrific lie,
• 1:12:17
  decompose the plastic wrap and the heat of California had
• 1:12:21
  caused it like to rapidly decompose and so nobody could
• 1:12:26
  identify him and he was filed as a John Doe, he wouldn't be
• 1:12:29
  identified for another three years.
• 1:12:33
  The day, went back to her. Check fraud days and she was
• 1:12:35
  making about five thousand dollars a month here.
• 1:12:37
  So, what she would do is she would kind of Stack her Rooming
• 1:12:43
  situations. So like, if somebody was a drunk
• 1:12:46
  and she knew that that drunk was going to get like had gotten
• 1:12:50
  popped by the cops, and Michael gave me he'll for 30 days
• 1:12:53
  because that's pretty normal. Then she would have somebody
• 1:12:56
  else come stay and she would collect the money from that
• 1:12:58
  person and then that person got caught.
• 1:13:00
  And so she was like stacking them like that, like back and
• 1:13:03
  forth. She also would do this thing
• 1:13:06
  with some of her tenants were before the mail, like before
• 1:13:09
  anybody else, even woke up, she would stop and get the mail.
• 1:13:12
  She would take all Checks and she would pay them like a
• 1:13:14
  stipend. Of course, weirdly though, older
• 1:13:18
  and older people were like, they wanted to board with her and
• 1:13:20
  stay and she's like, I'd only one people to stay because I
• 1:13:23
  want them to keep moving so I can steal from them.
• 1:13:28
  All the while this is happening her parole officers and parole
• 1:13:31
  agents, visit the boarding house and they never report that she
• 1:13:35
  is flagrantly. Violating her parole.
• 1:13:38
  Yeah. Because you're not supposed to
• 1:13:39
  have a brick and boarding house. Nope, tenant start going
• 1:13:43
  missing. So, August 19th, 1986.
• 1:13:49
  Betty Palmer, 77 years old goes missing.
• 1:13:52
  After she goes to a doctor's appointment, a few weeks, later
• 1:13:55
  Dorothea has an ID card with her own face on it, but Betty's
• 1:13:58
  name, hmm, to get her benefits. February, 1987 78 year old Leon,
• 1:14:04
  a carpenter goes, missing after being discharged from the
• 1:14:07
  hospital, sleeping and sleeping. Under these couch, she wasn't
• 1:14:10
  even like a full tenant. There was no space for his
• 1:14:13
  crash, and yeah. James Galbraith, 62.
• 1:14:16
  He went missing July 1987. He just got in treatment for a
• 1:14:21
  brain tumor and told his doctors he was moving to 14:26 F Street.
• 1:14:26
  October 1987 62 year-old Vera Martin moves into the boarding
• 1:14:30
  house. Never heard from again.
• 1:14:34
  Dorothy Miller, 64 also goes missing that month.
• 1:14:36
  October 1987 Burt Montoya, arrived in February of 1988 and
• 1:14:43
  as soon as Dorothy is started helping with his financials, he
• 1:14:45
  went missing two when other intense asked about him.
• 1:14:49
  She told them, he gone to visit his family in Mexico.
• 1:14:53
  Now just before Burt disappeared, the Department of
• 1:14:55
  Social Services, got wind of her illegal, rooming house and
• 1:14:58
  decided to pay her a visit the inspectors knew of her past, but
• 1:15:02
  they were like, it seems like she's cleaned up.
• 1:15:04
  Her act, everything is above board here.
• 1:15:08
  She also hired a handyman and they called him Chief, and the
• 1:15:12
  neighbors noted that Chief was seen digging around the property
• 1:15:16
  and building here, e cemented the basement.
• 1:15:19
  Also cemented a slab of concrete in the backyard.
• 1:15:22
  And then he also went missing. Oh, right?
• 1:15:29
  The first person to be persistent with her suspicions
• 1:15:32
  was Peggy. Nickerson a social worker, who
• 1:15:34
  had sent several people to Dorothea, and she couldn't get
• 1:15:37
  in contact with them anymore. And Dorothea was like, listen,
• 1:15:40
  they come and go, you know, how the transient folks are.
• 1:15:43
  And she's like, if they come back I'll let them back and
• 1:15:45
  Peggy was like sure. But just to be safe she didn't
• 1:15:51
  send anybody else to Dorothy as house ever again.
• 1:15:54
  Next person to disappear was Benjamin think he was 55 and he
• 1:15:58
  went missing April of 1988. He was last seen.
• 1:16:02
  After Dorothea told other tenants, she was going to take
• 1:16:04
  him upstairs and like be his nurse.
• 1:16:08
  Never seen a gap so it's just it's November 7th 1988, there's
• 1:16:14
  another social worker named, Judy moist, she was Burt, social
• 1:16:18
  worker, that's just his nickname.
• 1:16:20
  His name is actually much longer, he's like five Spanish
• 1:16:23
  names, but My God and she was just like she told the police
• 1:16:28
  Bert doesn't he's not the type of run away.
• 1:16:31
  I don't think he went to his family and it's also because
• 1:16:33
  like one day Judy like went to go see Bert and Dorothea told
• 1:16:44
  Judy, oh, he's sick right now, you can't go in there.
• 1:16:48
  He's like quarantine from everybody else and she's like,
• 1:16:50
  oh, when he feels better, I'm going to go check on him and
• 1:16:53
  then the next day she's like he got a call from his sister and
• 1:16:56
  he went to Mexico. Like these are not good lies.
• 1:16:59
  Uh-huh. Yeah, not consistent and doesn't
• 1:17:03
  make sense. He's just sick.
• 1:17:05
  Uh-huh. The police accepted of the
• 1:17:06
  complaint and they went to talk to the Dorothea while they were
• 1:17:10
  there. Another tenant past one of the
• 1:17:13
  officers and note that said she is making us live for her.
• 1:17:19
  By chance, one of the police officers who had been there.
• 1:17:23
  His name was John Cabrera was at the store later that day, buying
• 1:17:26
  cigarettes at the same time. As the tenant who passed him.
• 1:17:29
  A note that tenants name was John Sharp.
• 1:17:33
  The two decided to stop at a cafe and talk.
• 1:17:35
  Now, this happened, like hours later.
• 1:17:36
  He had gone back to the police precinct and done a little
• 1:17:39
  search on John Sharp, just to make sure like, they didn't have
• 1:17:42
  a history, right? And that he wasn't, like, trying
• 1:17:44
  to set Dorothy up. So then he was really
• 1:17:48
  interested. He was like well fancy meeting
• 1:17:50
  you here. Let's go have lunch and sharp
• 1:17:54
  didn't know all the details but he also like it was a pretty
• 1:17:58
  bleak picture that he like painted.
• 1:18:01
  You know, holes being dug in the garden overnight and then like
• 1:18:05
  three Thea was building this elaborate Garden every time
• 1:18:09
  these like weird you know? Yeah disappearances happen.
• 1:18:14
  You know things getting It in concrete guess getting sick.
• 1:18:18
  As soon as they arrived, the sickly sweet smell in the house,
• 1:18:22
  blamed on rats or fish. Emulsion in the yard Dorothy is
• 1:18:26
  spending habits getting outrageous.
• 1:18:30
  So, November 11th, four days. Later.
• 1:18:33
  Cabrera is like, let me see if I can do something.
• 1:18:37
  He was not new to the forest. He had been on previous
• 1:18:41
  serial-killer cases. Mmm.
• 1:18:46
  So he comes with the intention that they're going to dig up
• 1:18:50
  something that day, but he just shows up initially leaves the,
• 1:18:54
  the shovels in the car. He brings a parole, her parole
• 1:18:57
  officer and a couple other uniforms.
• 1:19:00
  Pretty is all smile. She offers them T.
• 1:19:04
  She lets them walk around the house.
• 1:19:06
  They don't see anything out of the ordinary though.
• 1:19:08
  Her room smelled. What kind of weird she told him,
• 1:19:11
  it must be a dead, right? Under the floorboards and she
• 1:19:13
  was very embarrassed about it. Cabrera was like, Hey, you know,
• 1:19:17
  you told me the other day that You like burry the trash for
• 1:19:24
  here for like compost? I'm just worried that.
• 1:19:27
  Like, there could be some evidence from that trash, you
• 1:19:32
  know, you didn't realize it was evidence, can we like poke
• 1:19:35
  around a little bit and so They both knew what this was,
• 1:19:41
  Dorothea knew that she had to let him do it because if she
• 1:19:45
  said, no, then everybody who walked out of her house that day
• 1:19:48
  was going to be suspicious of her.
• 1:19:49
  So she said, yes, because she was like, screw it.
• 1:19:52
  They're not going to find anything.
• 1:19:54
  Hmm. They find trash.
• 1:19:58
  They find like old beef jerky and piles of trash like you know
• 1:20:03
  and Dorothy has their oh so sad. They're ripping up my beautiful
• 1:20:06
  garden. You know, later on fact, so
• 1:20:08
  horrible. It get to the point where like
• 1:20:11
  they've dug pretty deep and like Cabrera is like fed up.
• 1:20:16
  He jumps into the hole, he pulls on a route with all her strength
• 1:20:21
  and it pops out and he sees a human shin bone.
• 1:20:24
  Here you go. That's what you're Come here,
• 1:20:26
  buddy. In fact, he hadn't been pulling
• 1:20:28
  on a root at all. He had been pulling part of part
• 1:20:31
  of the leg bone. Oh, out of the ground, you had
• 1:20:33
  already found what? You're looking for Buddy.
• 1:20:35
  He didn't realize what it was because he's just a regular cop.
• 1:20:37
  He's not a CSI. Yeah, he didn't arrest the fake
• 1:20:41
  stunned, Dorothea. She was just like because the
• 1:20:44
  problem was they were looking for Bert, who would only really
• 1:20:49
  been fate. Only been filing missing like a
• 1:20:51
  couple days before. There's no way that a body
• 1:20:55
  skeleton. You know, it's skeletonized.
• 1:20:58
  That's not the right word becomes the skeleton in a couple
• 1:21:01
  weeks at best. You know what I mean, skeletal.
• 1:21:07
  That's why I wrote my notes, but I was too excited.
• 1:21:10
  But yeah, there's no way to a body can become a scheme, come
• 1:21:13
  skeletal and just a couple days. So he's just like I have to get
• 1:21:18
  a warrant so we can do more surgery.
• 1:21:23
  The next day, it's a Friday. It takes some time to get the
• 1:21:28
  warrant Saturday forensics team descends on the property.
• 1:21:33
  They're like so yeah. That will you thought was jerky.
• 1:21:37
  Not jerky. That's mummified human flesh.
• 1:21:40
  Oh no. And they were like, well, we got
• 1:21:45
  some good news and some bad news for you because these remains
• 1:21:48
  are woman. So this is not Burt Montoya, but
• 1:21:52
  it's a body, you got a body, one Dorothea saw them.
• 1:21:57
  Look at the concrete slabs. She dresses in this like
• 1:22:00
  elaborate fancy red outfit puts like Or grand in cash, in her
• 1:22:04
  purse, walks out to the police. And she's like, am I under
• 1:22:08
  arrest officer and prepare is like?
• 1:22:10
  No. No.
• 1:22:11
  She's like, well, I'm really like, you know, a little like
• 1:22:14
  unsteady. I want to go get a coffee at the
• 1:22:16
  hotel that I'm going to stay at, because she can't stay there
• 1:22:19
  because this is a crime scene. So he's like, oh absolutely,
• 1:22:24
  I'll drive you there myself. Hm.
• 1:22:29
  They uncovered seven bodies that day.
• 1:22:33
  One of the watches on the body was still ticking.
• 1:22:38
  Meaning that this body was fairly recent, right?
• 1:22:43
  The reason why her her apartment, her little room.
• 1:22:46
  Smelled gross is because she Remove the Jaws.
• 1:22:55
  In a forensic, countermeasure. In fact, apparently, they found
• 1:23:00
  like a set of, like, part of a jaw outside of her window, like,
• 1:23:06
  on a Ledge. Oh, my God.
• 1:23:07
  Had tried to throw them out back, like hide them.
• 1:23:12
  So that smell it. Her room was from actual
• 1:23:15
  decomposition. Gross.
• 1:23:18
  The police were, like, yeah, we need to go talk to her.
• 1:23:22
  She was gone, of course, and the police are very embarrassed
• 1:23:28
  because they definitely just let a serial killer walk out of her
• 1:23:30
  house. Yeah, that was your fault.
• 1:23:33
  The FBI gets called, they start tracking bus stations trains,
• 1:23:36
  airports, she books a fake flight to LA in her own name,
• 1:23:40
  but she never took the fight because she wanted to send them
• 1:23:42
  on a wild goose chase. Instead, she hides in a hotel in
• 1:23:44
  downtown LA called The Royal Viking the public and the Press
• 1:23:48
  Hammer, the police, they're like making fun of them for letting
• 1:23:51
  her go. And she kept a low profile at
• 1:23:54
  first. And then she got bored.
• 1:23:58
  So she went to a bar fucking bored.
• 1:24:01
  She's completely out of place in this city Downtown Bar, and she
• 1:24:05
  introduced herself as Donna Johnson and she talked all night
• 1:24:09
  with a young man of gentleman and flirted with him.
• 1:24:11
  He told her he'd take her shopping the next day and he
• 1:24:14
  went home, and he was just like, I think, I think dhamma is the
• 1:24:20
  lady on the news. So he called CBS because he was
• 1:24:24
  like, I don't know if I want to call. 111 if I'm wrong.
• 1:24:27
  So he called CBS and they put them online with the assignment
• 1:24:29
  editor. And the assignment editor was
• 1:24:31
  like, oh, this could be big. You call the cuff before you
• 1:24:36
  call the damn reporters, okay, he called the reporters.
• 1:24:40
  Oh my God. So first to CBS guy was like,
• 1:24:43
  well, watch a news story, and see if it's her.
• 1:24:46
  And so he watched a new story but like they didn't show a
• 1:24:48
  picture of her and so then the news editor came and showed like
• 1:24:53
  a peak like a picture print out of her.
• 1:24:56
  And he was like, I think this could be her and he's like all
• 1:24:58
  right how about this tell her you're going to come see her
• 1:25:01
  tonight. and so, He convinces. Just this man to go.
• 1:25:09
  Tell her I'm going to meet you. I'll come see you tonight at the
• 1:25:11
  Viking and at 10:20 p.m. this man shows up with CBS and the
• 1:25:18
  cops if she gets arrested on TV, okay.
• 1:25:22
  I mean in any other circumstances is how people die
• 1:25:25
  true when like doing it. Been that kind of a killer like
• 1:25:29
  yeah pop pop and randoms. Yeah absolutely but like
• 1:25:33
  honestly that point she was cornered so she just Went over
• 1:25:35
  to her purr. They were like excuse me ma'am
• 1:25:38
  are your two thiet Dorothea Puente and she was just like she
• 1:25:42
  went over to her purse. Pulled out our wallet and was
• 1:25:44
  like this is I'm yeah it's me, here's my ID let's just take me
• 1:25:48
  in. Yeah she got arrested, no bail
• 1:25:51
  her lawyers tried to argue that the trial was going to be a
• 1:25:53
  media circus. This would hurt her, she was
• 1:25:56
  going to have a fair trial. The prosecution was like she's a
• 1:25:59
  cold-blooded killer and there is nothing that we can do to like
• 1:26:02
  change that. Yeah we can't make it any worse.
• 1:26:05
  Yeah. Yeah, the judge ruled that the
• 1:26:06
  trial is going to go as planned. So June, 19th 1990.
• 1:26:10
  Dorothea Puente stands trial for nine.
• 1:26:12
  Counts of murder. Her lawyers.
• 1:26:14
  Did a really good job, and they got it.
• 1:26:16
  Pushed off until February 9th. 1993.
• 1:26:21
  Oh, yes, they were able to file enough motions and get things
• 1:26:26
  shifted around that. It took three years.
• 1:26:29
  Oh, Her trial, they were 153 Witnesses. 3,500 pages of
• 1:26:38
  evidence that were shared and the jury did not deliberate
• 1:26:43
  begin deliberations until July 15th.
• 1:26:45
  Oh, my God. So, nearly five months of a
• 1:26:49
  trial and they were well aware that the prosecution was seeking
• 1:26:53
  the death penalty. Days pass.
• 1:26:57
  Nothing's heard from the jury. August 2nd.
• 1:27:00
  The judge receives a note that says we are deadlocked on all
• 1:27:04
  nine counts, we need further instruction, the defense is
• 1:27:08
  like, oh perfect mistrial, but the judge is just like no, no go
• 1:27:13
  back. Go through the evidence try
• 1:27:15
  again. Hmm.
• 1:27:17
  August 26, 1993, they have a decision before a pack Kirk
• 1:27:22
  courtroom the court clerk reads the verdict guilty of the crime
• 1:27:25
  of Murder in the second degree against Leona Carpenter guilty
• 1:27:29
  of the crime. Murder in the first degree of
• 1:27:31
  Dorothy Miller, guilty of the crime of Murder in the First
• 1:27:34
  Degree, Ben Fink. They were locked on the last
• 1:27:39
  six. Hmm they couldn't make up their
• 1:27:42
  mind. I think it was like 7 to 5.
• 1:27:45
  So with that, there was also they also have the allegation
• 1:27:50
  under special circumstances. That found Dorothea Puente had
• 1:27:54
  committed multiple murders, including Everson Hearing the
• 1:27:58
  verdict. The judge move to declare a
• 1:28:00
  mistrial on those other six counts.
• 1:28:04
  Those other six victims did not receive Justice, and that
• 1:28:07
  included and I wrote his name here Alvaro Jose Rafael
• 1:28:12
  Gonzalez. Bert Montoya.
• 1:28:15
  Just want to help. I had so many names random is
• 1:28:17
  Burton and that was his nickname.
• 1:28:20
  I don't know where it came from. But, uh, Burt did not get
• 1:28:25
  Justice. Yeah, December 11th 1983.
• 1:28:28
  Judge verga hands down the sentence.
• 1:28:30
  Dorothea Puente will be committed to life in prison
• 1:28:33
  without the possibility of parole that day in court with
• 1:28:39
  news cameras and writers she turns and looks at her attorney
• 1:28:45
  and goes I didn't kill anyone. Okay.
• 1:28:54
  She was incarcerated at the central.
• 1:28:55
  California women's facility in Chowchilla, conform California,
• 1:28:59
  where she maintained her innocence for the rest of her
• 1:29:02
  life. Come on her borders.
• 1:29:04
  Had died of natural causes and they didn't have money for a
• 1:29:10
  burial anyway. So she just put them in the
• 1:29:12
  backyard. Look, you already got caught?
• 1:29:14
  Why do you? Why you need to keep lying?
• 1:29:19
  Ironically she died in prison, March 27th. 2011 of actual
• 1:29:22
  natural causes. She was 82 years old and I
• 1:29:28
  thought sends the crazy story of Dorothea.
• 1:29:31
  Helen Gray, Mick foul. Johansson Puente Montalvo,
• 1:29:35
  which, at one point she did go by all of those names, which is
• 1:29:39
  the noxious, yeah. Okay, Daenerys owed.
• 1:29:42
  Are you? Okay?
• 1:29:45
  Dorothea Targaryen woman of sex. Names.
• 1:29:50
  But regardless I mentioned earlier off-camera but like the
• 1:29:55
  sources for today's were so fun. Like we had few just fantastic
• 1:30:00
  names for books like human Harvest by Daniel Blackburn.
• 1:30:04
  The Bone Garden by William would Disturbed ground by Carla
• 1:30:10
  Norton. Everybody just had a field day
• 1:30:12
  with these books. These are like horror story
• 1:30:15
  books. Yes, they were great and I
• 1:30:20
  Mistresses of Mayhem was a book about all women criminals.
• 1:30:23
  I like that. Yeah, title that one.
• 1:30:25
  I might have to buy that. Yeah it has original author's
• 1:30:29
  name is Francine was Salah but I also saw a copy where I guess
• 1:30:33
  like her last name change and it's also says hornberger.
• 1:30:35
  Hmm, so you're married God. Yeah, I guess you're right.
• 1:30:38
  Got married. But yeah, that's it for me.
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  Sorry. Little long.
• 1:30:40
  But, oh my God, lady was nuts. That was a was a while, right?
• 1:30:46
  Just, this is all those interesting ones because this
• 1:30:49
  isn't somebody who I think like, yeah, sure.
• 1:30:51
  She suffered from she was a pathetic constantly, right?
• 1:30:57
  But she didn't have the typical. She didn't torture animals.
• 1:31:01
  She didn't, you know what her bed when she was 15?
• 1:31:05
  She didn't have any brain damage though.
• 1:31:07
  We're not quite sure about that, good luck, all syndrome.
• 1:31:10
  But like for the most part, this was just like a continuous Life
• 1:31:15
  Of Crime. That's low.
• 1:31:16
  We escalated over time. So very interesting though.
• 1:31:21
  Yeah, let's say it's very interesting.
• 1:31:24
  Well, what are we learning about today?
• 1:31:25
  Huh. Okay, well today, I don't even
• 1:31:29
  have like a proper intro for mine honestly because I was
• 1:31:33
  like, I don't know how to describe these things.
• 1:31:35
  I'm going to be talking to you after your conspiracy Crypt
• 1:31:38
  intro. I don't think you could do
• 1:31:39
  better. I don't think I could.
• 1:31:43
  Um, so, this week, I will be discussing some things.
• 1:31:51
  Okay so answer me this. Yeah um have you ever like
• 1:31:55
  driven or getting, you know, dribble around or walked around
• 1:32:00
  and seeing like something just strange just like our ordinary.
• 1:32:07
  You mean like glitches in The Matrix strange?
• 1:32:09
  Um no. But that's a, we could talk
• 1:32:13
  about that one day. This interesting topic.
• 1:32:15
  He said, one day. Yeah, that's a weird ride.
• 1:32:17
  That's right. And idea for next week is, what
• 1:32:21
  do you mean? Um, like something like an
• 1:32:26
  abnormality, like something creepy or something strange out
• 1:32:31
  in the wild of the world. I'ma stop you right there
• 1:32:36
  because I don't go into the wild but I'm a city kid.
• 1:32:41
  I mean, it was just really amazed the concrete jungle
• 1:32:46
  outside of your house is the wild No.
• 1:32:48
  No. What I think of the Wilds.
• 1:32:50
  I think of like the woods. No, we don't do Woods here.
• 1:32:54
  Okay. But continue.
• 1:32:58
  Well today I'll be talking about some creepy things that happen
• 1:33:05
  out into in the world, okay? Um over the past couple years
• 1:33:11
  recent yeah about like five years ago.
• 1:33:15
  Okay. That's extra creepy because it's
• 1:33:18
  like now, yeah, just warning. This is probably not going to be
• 1:33:24
  very paranormally. Okay.
• 1:33:27
  Episode. But you know, it's gonna be
• 1:33:29
  creepy, know, five years ago, seems like song.
• 1:33:35
  Now, like honest covid made last year seemed like a lifetime.
• 1:33:41
  This is true last year was long as your yeah.
• 1:33:47
  Like 2016. My beautiful daughter was born,
• 1:33:52
  my life was shitty, but it's not because of my no.
• 1:33:57
  Not because of my daughter being born.
• 1:34:00
  It was just I was just in this shitty shitty yinz energy.
• 1:34:11
  Oh, one major thing. Besides my daughter being born
• 1:34:15
  that comes to mind whenever I think of 2016 Is those creepy
• 1:34:24
  creepy clown? Sightings oh yeah, I remember
• 1:34:27
  that. That was that really that long
• 1:34:29
  ago? Yeah. 7:16 bra.
• 1:34:31
  Some of those were like legit. I've seen like people CCTV,
• 1:34:35
  footage of, like, folks and clown costume showing up with
• 1:34:38
  knives at people's houses. It's the other reasons why I'm
• 1:34:43
  happy. I will then, and there is no
• 1:34:47
  little peep hole on my door. Yeah, we just slide that lock
• 1:34:51
  Walk and never look hmm. No I myself have not run into
• 1:34:58
  any of these fine people standing on you know the side of
• 1:35:01
  the road or sending in parking lots but other people have.
• 1:35:07
  I remember somebody in a clown costume getting stabbed and I
• 1:35:10
  think the UK Wow, I did not see because the person was scared.
• 1:35:16
  I believe it. Like, and it was like the first
• 1:35:18
  of the clown had a knife to. Yeah.
• 1:35:20
  It was just the other person also, like they were, yeah, they
• 1:35:24
  were more prepared to use her life and protect your life
• 1:35:27
  because your creepy ass clown in the costume.
• 1:35:33
  Fear. That's it's an irrational fear
• 1:35:35
  for some people. So when people are presented
• 1:35:39
  with those, they go into like immediate fight or flight
• 1:35:43
  response, right? I've seen people scream
• 1:35:48
  butterflies. That's what I that's another one
• 1:35:50
  of those and falls under there too.
• 1:35:51
  Yes. Um fear of clowns coulrophobia
• 1:35:56
  well see you knew the name? Yes.
• 1:35:58
  Yeah. And so it's pretty common.
• 1:36:02
  It's, yeah, it's really common. Yeah.
• 1:36:05
  It's, you know, it's funny about the butterfly thing.
• 1:36:07
  I just remember being in high school and I was, you know, you
• 1:36:10
  stay home and watch Maury and they had those episodes, you
• 1:36:14
  know, phobia episodes and was person was like afraid of
• 1:36:18
  balloons, I believe and they just robbed Luna and he started
• 1:36:21
  screaming. I was just like, wow, that's a I
• 1:36:24
  know people have told me that part of the balloon.
• 1:36:26
  Fear is the not knowing when it'll pop, mmm.
• 1:36:31
  And the Butterfly thing is like, Fact that it still bugs and bugs
• 1:36:34
  move in a way that is technically kind of creepy.
• 1:36:36
  I mean, yeah. But I'd like I get the balloon
• 1:36:41
  thing because I people cry because of butterflies.
• 1:36:44
  Side note, I just learned recently that butterflies will
• 1:36:46
  eat almost anything that's dead. Yeah, it's a, it's really so
• 1:36:53
  they are beautiful monsters. That will definitely devour your
• 1:36:58
  body. It just take a really long time.
• 1:37:02
  Yes. Um but yeah enough of the
• 1:37:05
  Clowning Around let's get let's get to the meat of this.
• 1:37:11
  All right? I know.
• 1:37:14
  Now 2016 was not the first appearance of creepy clowns,
• 1:37:20
  okay, hanging around. I'm just going to go down a
• 1:37:23
  dates and tell you these instances, 2013.
• 1:37:27
  Okay, there were several Sightings over creepy.
• 1:37:30
  Clown in Northampton England. Oh no.
• 1:37:36
  This clown. Look like, I guess Pennywise his
• 1:37:39
  brother. Okay.
• 1:37:41
  And it was created by three filmmakers, Alex.
• 1:37:45
  That isn't a pea or D, I can never remember this year.
• 1:37:50
  I know I can't ever remember what I write.
• 1:37:53
  Alex, pal, Elliot Simpson and it Luke This was like for a movie
• 1:38:01
  Blonsky. Yes.
• 1:38:02
  Okay. So they were pretty much trying
• 1:38:05
  to get hits to her so they made a Facebook page so that happens
• 1:38:08
  a lot in California. Mmm.
• 1:38:10
  They do stuff like a random haunted house in the middle of
• 1:38:14
  like Town. Yeah, they just build for like a
• 1:38:16
  day and then people walk through and it's like come look at our
• 1:38:19
  new movie that comes out next month, so no and house.
• 1:38:21
  Yeah. Oh God, see, 2014 had some
• 1:38:29
  creepy clown. Counts as well, a YouTuber, his
• 1:38:33
  YouTube handles DM Pranks. Okay.
• 1:38:36
  You dressed up as a clown to creep.
• 1:38:39
  Pastor buyers out and and Cal I guess that's an anti mr.
• 1:38:46
  B's. Yeah, that's Ruby's.
• 1:38:47
  Gives money makes people happy. This guy dresses up like a crown
• 1:38:50
  and frightens people in California.
• 1:38:52
  And same year, there was a clown.
• 1:38:55
  That was Nick. There's a creepy clown of course
• 1:38:57
  it was. Nicknamed the Waco clown?
• 1:38:59
  Down since that's where it appeared the most.
• 1:39:03
  That one sounds familiar to me. Hmm. 2015.
• 1:39:09
  Okay, had a brief spotting OB creepy Crown.
• 1:39:14
  So this happened in Chicago. This I like this story.
• 1:39:20
  It's fucking creepy is so weird. Okay.
• 1:39:23
  So two people were out late at night.
• 1:39:26
  When you see this clown like climbing the fence of a
• 1:39:28
  cemetery. Yeah.
• 1:39:30
  Hope okay. Oh clown outfit makeup and
• 1:39:32
  everything? Do not like that now.
• 1:39:35
  Yeah. That's spooky enough.
• 1:39:38
  See, but what happened to actually just as bad?
• 1:39:41
  So the clown gets over the fence.
• 1:39:43
  He's in the cemetery. Now these people, they are
• 1:39:47
  recording him, which is climbing the fans and just getting in
• 1:39:49
  there and he turned around. If he just slowly waves at them,
• 1:39:57
  that's probably a good video and then he runs off into the wooded
• 1:40:01
  area of the cemetery. Okay.
• 1:40:04
  Never to be seen again. All righty.
• 1:40:07
  So you know buddy. Nobody knew who this clown was
• 1:40:10
  at all? Oh yeah, that was like the one
• 1:40:14
  of my favorite ones out of here. All right.
• 1:40:17
  So no 2016. It all started.
• 1:40:25
  In Green Bay Wisconsin, Sophia did just my mic so it all
• 1:40:32
  started in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Hmm, 1 clown one parking lot by
• 1:40:37
  himself at night, okay? If he just loves a clown went
• 1:40:43
  viral, there was even a Facebook page for this thing.
• 1:40:47
  Um, oh dear, it was the name of the clown was called gags.
• 1:40:54
  Now the news networks were covering it, so I'm going to go
• 1:40:58
  out on a limb and say that, you know, they were making, they
• 1:41:01
  were joking about it and stuff like that ball but they didn't
• 1:41:04
  know what was going to happen afterwards.
• 1:41:08
  So shut up. So gags was actually made up to
• 1:41:14
  promote a film titled. You guessed it gags.
• 1:41:20
  It's on Amazon. Amazon Prime, I looked it up
• 1:41:25
  when I was writing my notes on say, this actually does not seem
• 1:41:28
  like a bad story, other premises basically.
• 1:41:30
  Like there's this clown that shows up in Green Bay Wisconsin
• 1:41:35
  and people were just thinking oh well this is just a stupid
• 1:41:37
  clown, you know. Creepy is the but really, it's a
• 1:41:40
  killer creepy clown. But yeah.
• 1:41:43
  Um, so this movie came out in 2018, like I said, I haven't
• 1:41:48
  watched it yet. So this was two years before the
• 1:41:51
  movie came out, they were trying to promote it.
• 1:41:54
  Okay. See that's the failure here.
• 1:41:58
  Like, you got to like drop that like a couple weeks unless
• 1:42:03
  you're like, Jordan Peele, who can just be like listen is going
• 1:42:05
  to be a movie that comes out in a year and it's just it called.
• 1:42:08
  Nope. Like everyone's I'm high.
• 1:42:11
  I don't want this so bad. Listen I was so upset when I
• 1:42:14
  realized that it said 2022 and not 2021.
• 1:42:18
  I thought that movie was about to come out in like three days.
• 1:42:21
  I was so excited but like if you're just a no-name Movie
• 1:42:25
  Creator you can't drop the hint about the movie.
• 1:42:29
  Two years before it comes out. I'm pretty sure.
• 1:42:32
  Everybody forgot about that. It's about exactly what's in
• 1:42:36
  people's memories are very Very, very short on the internet
• 1:42:40
  goodness. Now, if you thought that was the
• 1:42:45
  end of it, you're looking more foolish than a clown after.
• 1:42:50
  I'm sorry, you're really trying to make these these clown gags
• 1:42:53
  work here. I'm sorry.
• 1:42:54
  I'm trying. Hmm.
• 1:42:57
  So, after Wisconsin, sightings and the movie promo more and
• 1:43:02
  more calm, sightings started to pop up from some.
• 1:43:05
  Never knew about gags. Yeah, I just knew it.
• 1:43:07
  Got weird. Yeah.
• 1:43:11
  Mainly South Carolina to Canada, she the UK and even Australia,
• 1:43:16
  oh, we're a lot of evil creatures live.
• 1:43:19
  So right there, he clown, coconut crabs that are toxic, so
• 1:43:25
  they can be eaten because they eat everything in existence and
• 1:43:28
  have giant pincers. Yeah.
• 1:43:29
  They don't, you know, they have they haven't damn spiders, that
• 1:43:33
  attack Birds. They have birds that attack
• 1:43:35
  people. We don't really need any clowns
• 1:43:38
  Australia. Real life is scary.
• 1:43:42
  So at this point you know clowns are all over the place.
• 1:43:46
  Everybody's spotting clowns and stuff, right?
• 1:43:49
  They got so bad WCA WCA the world Clown Association took
• 1:43:58
  notice. I didn't know there was a
• 1:43:59
  world-class Association. You were like WC.
• 1:44:01
  I was like, yeah, I know it was funnier without and you know,
• 1:44:07
  they said I'm against it like these clowns and I'm like, yo
• 1:44:10
  and Reason why I did this is because these creepy clowns on
• 1:44:14
  the side of the street, or seeing in parking, lots, or
• 1:44:16
  stalking people. Oh, yeah, I may have seen videos
• 1:44:20
  where people were like, in the woods, just hiking.
• 1:44:22
  Yeah. And then on the path in front of
• 1:44:24
  them, there's just a clown standing there.
• 1:44:26
  The thing is that was a real person.
• 1:44:28
  Yeah. Just real life trolling people
• 1:44:32
  and like these clowns ruining it for real clowns who work at
• 1:44:38
  circuses or amusing. Parks are carnivals, you know?
• 1:44:42
  Or they work at usually children's parties here honest,
• 1:44:45
  I just don't find clowns all that interesting.
• 1:44:48
  Except for the balloon animal thing, make me something cool
• 1:44:51
  with a balloon animal. I'm here forever.
• 1:44:53
  But I think it's maybe I'm because I'm an old person.
• 1:44:57
  Like, I'm just like, But like, you know, y'all should be able
• 1:45:01
  to make a living. So yeah.
• 1:45:04
  So yeah, 2016 was like one of the worst times to be like a
• 1:45:07
  professional clown, because o, because of all the freaking
• 1:45:11
  clown, sightings is this is terrible.
• 1:45:13
  It was terrible. They Nintendo by like after
• 1:45:16
  Halloween. Yeah, it did.
• 1:45:18
  It just dropped my, I'll get into that.
• 1:45:20
  But it is really just dropped off, right at the Halloween.
• 1:45:22
  And nobody knew what the fuck was going on.
• 1:45:28
  So weird. So even sir, Ronald McDonald had
• 1:45:33
  to step away from the Limelight for a little bit.
• 1:45:35
  Wait, no, this is true. McDonald's change the mask.
• 1:45:39
  No, no he just, you know, he just wasn't out in public I'll
• 1:45:43
  like that anymore. You know, they mean he's just
• 1:45:45
  worried you know because the clown is he out in public in
• 1:45:48
  general I mean he's a is there are other locations where you
• 1:45:51
  can like meet Ronald McDonald's. I don't think you can meet
• 1:45:54
  Ronald McDonald and I'm pretty sure like the dress was my
• 1:45:56
  favorite anyway. Then we Don was Playhouse
• 1:45:59
  things. They have.
• 1:46:01
  I think they had McDonald. They had a little statue statue
• 1:46:04
  of Ronald McDonald. I would think so.
• 1:46:07
  I was think they, that's what they did.
• 1:46:09
  I just know that he had likes, that least, you know, the back
• 1:46:12
  to him, they put him on a back burner, for a little bit.
• 1:46:16
  Clown costumes were banned and pulled from stores like no
• 1:46:20
  Spirit. Halloween could carry these?
• 1:46:22
  It all ha. So people have to make their own
• 1:46:24
  costumes if they wanted to be assholes.
• 1:46:26
  Oh my God. And people like who work for
• 1:46:33
  like theme parks, I'm used to Parks.
• 1:46:36
  You know, they were, you know, makeup and stuff like, you know,
• 1:46:39
  clowns. So I know like Halloween Horror
• 1:46:41
  Nights. They have like the scary clown.
• 1:46:43
  Yeah, the big giant teeth and stuff.
• 1:46:45
  Exactly. And these people were warned,
• 1:46:47
  like, you've got to, you got to make sure that stuff is off your
• 1:46:49
  face before you leave work because you can't, like, just go
• 1:46:53
  home and go. Oh, I'll wash it off.
• 1:46:54
  Ya know you gotta wash up before you clock out and all that stuff
• 1:46:57
  because freely The building because people were out there
• 1:47:01
  freaking out. Okay, what else?
• 1:47:07
  Oh, so apparently there's supposed to be some type of
• 1:47:11
  clown, Purge that happened to your 2016 like clowns are
• 1:47:16
  supposed to start attacking people.
• 1:47:17
  Oh right. Yeah, I do remember that.
• 1:47:19
  Um, yeah. On Halloween Eve day before
• 1:47:24
  Halloween night before. Halloween.
• 1:47:26
  Whatever. Yeah.
• 1:47:27
  All Hallows Eve. So Of course there wasn't like a
• 1:47:31
  freaking long clown, Purge on Halloween Eve but I was just
• 1:47:37
  about to ask to somebody die. No but on Halloween night there
• 1:47:44
  was an attack. Okay.
• 1:47:46
  Hmm. October 31st 2016, Jeff Brown
• 1:47:51
  and his brother Tommy were out driving in their pickup truck
• 1:47:56
  with their wives. Another adult woman.
• 1:47:59
  Women and in total, five kids. Oh no, and this is this happened
• 1:48:06
  Orange County East? Orange County.
• 1:48:08
  Florida. Okay.
• 1:48:10
  Change my whole mind there, you said, Orange County.
• 1:48:13
  I thought California. So I'm guessing after a
• 1:48:19
  successful night of trick-or-treating.
• 1:48:21
  They're driving around, so they're driving home when they
• 1:48:25
  spot about and say 20 people ahead I'm trying, you know, at
• 1:48:30
  the crosswalk where they all clowns trying to push the
• 1:48:35
  crosswalk button and um, you know, Jeff the hmm.
• 1:48:42
  Well his Jeff's thought was that you know they were trying to
• 1:48:46
  after the fact he thought they were trying to.
• 1:48:49
  So you know the traffic, you know, The Pedestrian crosswalks,
• 1:48:52
  you had a button you know, turn the light green or whatever.
• 1:48:57
  Yeah. So his thought was was that they
• 1:49:00
  were trying to push this button so they can make the traffic
• 1:49:03
  like turn red for income coming cars.
• 1:49:08
  So they could scare people attacked Them.
• 1:49:12
  Not just scare people attack them.
• 1:49:15
  So these people, these 20 people or about 20 people, they were
• 1:49:19
  wearing clown masks and they were in purge masks as well.
• 1:49:34
  Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pink but
• 1:49:38
  Jeff drill, right? He they didn't do it in time for
• 1:49:44
  like the light turned red. So he just drove past them as he
• 1:49:49
  drove past them. One of these, 20 people, throw
• 1:49:53
  something at his truck. He, of course, you know, pulls
• 1:49:57
  over to check out the damage to see if anybody was injured in
• 1:50:01
  because he had the In his women in the back and his brother was
• 1:50:06
  a front with him so he gets out to check damage.
• 1:50:12
  Nothing is wrong, Airways fine but These 20 people freaking
• 1:50:18
  swarm them, of course. He's from they swarm.
• 1:50:22
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:50:25
  They were these form him and his brother just wipes hops into the
• 1:50:30
  driver's seat and tells her you're like go get help.
• 1:50:34
  So you know, get the kids to safety.
• 1:50:36
  Yeah. So you know, we're not here with
• 1:50:37
  these people. So they drive off, please these
• 1:50:43
  two guys against these 20 people, and they had hockey
• 1:50:48
  sticks. He said, they had bats, they had
• 1:50:51
  clubs, they had knives worried for Jeff.
• 1:50:55
  Hmm. So Tommy gets knocked out or
• 1:50:59
  knocked down by a hockey stick. I think I read in one of these
• 1:51:04
  reports, he actually got stabbed to like, in the head with the
• 1:51:07
  knife. Yes, thing.
• 1:51:11
  And if you want to kill somebody, this was a good time
• 1:51:13
  to do it. Probably in a clown costume.
• 1:51:15
  Yeah, unfortunately, so yeah, Tommy gets you gets knocked down
• 1:51:20
  and then he gets swarmed by more people.
• 1:51:23
  Jeff, finally gets. He's able to break away and try
• 1:51:27
  to get help, you know, try to go and get help.
• 1:51:29
  So, he's like, Tommy is this there by himself?
• 1:51:31
  Then, but I'm Jeff gets back, though, this whole mob has just
• 1:51:38
  disappeared, Scary scary. Yeah.
• 1:51:43
  So So the people who caused this attack, this purge style attack
• 1:51:52
  were thought to be teenagers because Jeff said he recognized
• 1:51:57
  like a couple of them as teenagers in the neighborhood.
• 1:52:02
  But I couldn't find any like arrest for engine hate that you
• 1:52:08
  find this like really interesting news story and then
• 1:52:11
  you can't find a follow-up. Like there was no nothing else
• 1:52:14
  after this. I could not find any house after
• 1:52:16
  this. So I'm going to assume that
• 1:52:19
  nobody was arrested in this attack.
• 1:52:22
  Hmm. But yeah.
• 1:52:26
  Oh yeah, apparently, this is funny.
• 1:52:29
  Creepy clowns were supposed to make a comeback last year. 2020,
• 1:52:35
  I guess like won't take talked to her a couple videos I saw
• 1:52:39
  creepy but you know, I guess even creepy clowns are afraid of
• 1:52:43
  covid, so they did not come back.
• 1:52:48
  But yeah, that's what I got for creepy clowns I got something
• 1:52:52
  else though. Okay, yeah, I'm not done yet, I
• 1:52:55
  guess I got some more. Okay, so, anyway, clown suck,
• 1:53:01
  let's talk about something interesting.
• 1:53:02
  He okay, let's talk about TV. Okay.
• 1:53:07
  That's right. TV's aren't the rack your brain?
• 1:53:12
  Yeah. They aren't a pinnacle of
• 1:53:14
  entertainment. I mean, we have smartphones and
• 1:53:17
  Tablets to, you know, Trail entertain us with and computers,
• 1:53:23
  of course to. And, you know, every game is
• 1:53:26
  what you need to be for that. Anyway, but so anyway.
• 1:53:27
  Anyway, but something to watch something about watching like
• 1:53:31
  cable TV is just nostalgic and speaking of TV, okay, and old
• 1:53:39
  have you heard of TV? Head of what TV head?
• 1:53:47
  No or TV, man. Okay, well if anybody else has
• 1:53:54
  not talking about Fooly Cooly TV boy Conte.
• 1:54:00
  But I'm talking about And almost Santa Claus type person who
• 1:54:05
  wears an old television set on his head.
• 1:54:10
  Is there a video of this? Yes, a CCTV video.
• 1:54:13
  I didn't know you had a name. Yeah I thought it was just
• 1:54:16
  somebody was like some weird guy was outside of my house last
• 1:54:18
  night with a TV honesty. I didn't realize that this was a
• 1:54:21
  name now. Yeah he has a personality.
• 1:54:24
  Well it was just I guess that was the name TV head TV man.
• 1:54:28
  Whatever they were trying to claim him.
• 1:54:31
  Okay. Me as an old TV, TV set on his
• 1:54:35
  head and he drops off owed television sets.
• 1:54:38
  Yeah. To random people at night.
• 1:54:40
  Where did this happen? No one knows why.
• 1:54:43
  Now, they'll take care. Oh, this happened in Henrico
• 1:54:49
  County Virginia. Okay.
• 1:54:51
  So yeah, this didn't happen over world is just it is one area.
• 1:54:56
  Well, yeah, because that means that everybody would have had to
• 1:54:58
  commit to a very strange I don't know like outfit that's just
• 1:55:05
  weird. We'll get into that later.
• 1:55:08
  Like it's probably not that easy to even find those old TVs
• 1:55:13
  anymore. Well well the tube TVs, right?
• 1:55:16
  Yeah. You don't have to have an actual
• 1:55:19
  tube TV to make this head. How many people made this for
• 1:55:23
  the following Halloween? Okay, okay, I need your answer,
• 1:55:29
  just let me know. Apparently a lot of people So,
• 1:55:36
  anyway, the weekend of August 2000, 1950 households in, like I
• 1:55:42
  said, Henrico County, Virginia, wake up to fine.
• 1:55:45
  Oh, TV sets, just sitting on their porches and TVs were
• 1:55:48
  placed at a certain way. They were facing into, you know,
• 1:55:53
  so that the people who open the door would see like their selves
• 1:55:56
  in the TV screen, that's funny. This definitely reminds me of
• 1:56:01
  that Sci-Fi show. We watched each one, the one
• 1:56:06
  with the kids obsessed with that TV show.
• 1:56:08
  Oh Oh, you mean chemical? Yeah.
• 1:56:11
  Okay, yeah. So a few home security cameras,
• 1:56:17
  caught glimpses of this person or these people.
• 1:56:19
  This is a group thing was a Duo as a team.
• 1:56:23
  I think it was, it was a team and it was to, at least two,
• 1:56:26
  people always thought it was the same guy.
• 1:56:28
  No, no, no. This one guy he were he was
• 1:56:30
  taller. He had like a white jumpsuit on.
• 1:56:33
  Okay? All the guy had like a blue
• 1:56:34
  jumpsuit on a little shorter? yeah, you know, a person or
• 1:56:42
  people wearing televisions sets on their head, delivering TVs,
• 1:56:49
  the gift of television, Now the old televisions, there's what?
• 1:56:55
  Yeah there there's I know, right?
• 1:56:57
  I would have soda still taking it, okay?
• 1:56:59
  Right is going to accept this gift.
• 1:57:01
  I have an old TV set not home, but it's in the garage but yeah,
• 1:57:05
  it's a big old. It has like At the at when this
• 1:57:10
  one was made, I guess didn't have like a cooling the way they
• 1:57:15
  cool TVs. Was it like they put some mint
• 1:57:18
  in the bottom of it but I'm not about that so that you know it
• 1:57:22
  won't overheat and so this TV is extremely heavy that I have it.
• 1:57:27
  Yeah sure. Sounds like like I can pick it
• 1:57:30
  up a little bit but already bud like my muscles like I can't
• 1:57:38
  pick it up so high. I'm picking up a little bit and
• 1:57:40
  then put it on something but that's about it.
• 1:57:42
  My mom. Yeah.
• 1:57:45
  So one of the the CTR the doorbell camera videos that I
• 1:57:51
  loved the ring light, right? Yeah the Rings.
• 1:57:53
  Yeah. Was one of the TV guys heat
• 1:57:57
  sets. You know he sets the TV down,
• 1:58:00
  he's carrying on reports. He said, sit down you know you
• 1:58:02
  just hits and makes it further is facing properly nice and
• 1:58:05
  gingerly he does it very, very nice.
• 1:58:10
  And then, you know, he starts walking down the stairs and he
• 1:58:13
  turns around looks right at the camera and he just you know, he
• 1:58:16
  waves at the camera and just you know, walks off.
• 1:58:21
  Hmm. Less creepy.
• 1:58:25
  Like this is like a complete contrast to freaking clowns
• 1:58:31
  true. Because I'm less bothered by
• 1:58:33
  this because this guy is just like out having fun.
• 1:58:35
  Yeah, exactly. Like, I mean, I guess the clouds
• 1:58:38
  were out having fun too. Hey, but they were having fun in
• 1:58:42
  the malicious kind of way. Yeah.
• 1:58:44
  This was like they attack people.
• 1:58:47
  Yeah, they were out to scare. Who will this guy is not out to
• 1:58:49
  scary? We just out to deliver
• 1:58:51
  television sets. For some reason.
• 1:58:57
  So yeah, either way the cops were called soon and they
• 1:59:02
  started collecting TVs up you know the go recycle them.
• 1:59:07
  So no charges were pursued. Since no real crime was
• 1:59:11
  committed right? Except for like I guess the cop
• 1:59:14
  said it would be considered like illegal dumping.
• 1:59:18
  Yeah. Because at this time like you
• 1:59:21
  know how we're supposed to recycle those old TV sets,
• 1:59:24
  instead of just drawing them away.
• 1:59:25
  Now, mhm. So yeah that's the thing.
• 1:59:29
  So did you know That no, you didn't know.
• 1:59:34
  So I'm going to let you know. There are a lot of cosplayers
• 1:59:38
  who have. So this is not like a cause not
• 1:59:41
  only a cosplay. This is like a whole somebody's
• 1:59:45
  made a webtoon about this by now it's a whole what's the word for
• 1:59:48
  like a community of it's just a whole community of people and
• 1:59:51
  they're called object heads. Oh.
• 1:59:54
  So I guess it started way. Before this happened.
• 1:59:59
  These objects heads were just TV friends.
• 2:00:02
  Yeah. So Objects, I guess this
• 2:00:03
  happening. He doesn't like yeah, we both
• 2:00:05
  live in the same city. Let's get weird.
• 2:00:08
  Yo probably I guess like to start this hardened like 2011 or
• 2:00:15
  object, heads were like a big and popular.
• 2:00:18
  Like like, I don't know, just have like a microphone for you.
• 2:00:22
  I like siren head ich. Habe not creepy.
• 2:00:28
  But, yeah, like I said, yeah, Fooly Cooly, have you watched
• 2:00:33
  that? And I met.
• 2:00:34
  Okay. Anyways, watchfully Cooley, it's
• 2:00:37
  awesome. I'm just saying, is there's a
• 2:00:40
  robot, honor, his name's Conte. He has a freaking monitor as
• 2:00:43
  ahead. Yeah.
• 2:00:44
  And And like I said, a lot of cosplayers, they'd use the TV
• 2:00:52
  had nothing and like, I was what I think I was watching like
• 2:00:56
  either YouTube or freaking Tick-Tock and I just, I was
• 2:00:59
  like, what the heck is that? What they're friggin TV heads?
• 2:01:02
  Like I remembered this story but I was like, this has I have
• 2:01:05
  anything to do with that. Does it not really?
• 2:01:08
  I think it's just like a Whole, it's a whole separate world.
• 2:01:13
  Yes, two people mother Branch off.
• 2:01:15
  Giveaway TVs. And honestly, I kind of want one
• 2:01:19
  just because just shake her head and he's awesome looking.
• 2:01:24
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• 2:01:31
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• 2:01:36
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