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Apples First & Questions of Leadership - Towers of Midnight chapters 1 & 2 - EP546 · WoT Spoilers

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  Speaker 1: This is the Weed of Time spoilers poodcast.
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  Speaker 2: Do we want to talk about things that matter to
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  Speaker 2: people who care about Wheel of Time?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about apples first, right, because apples first.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Apple was first, first, Sin first, smartphone Apple first.
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  Speaker 1: I swear to god, he was reading like an alphabet
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  Speaker 1: and was like, hey, it is for apples that comes first,
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  Speaker 1: let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: Where was he at in his parenthood journey.
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  Speaker 1: At Yeah, I think he had some Well, I'm Sanderson
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  Speaker 1: has enough kids that I'm pretty sure he's always had
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  Speaker 1: small children in his house.
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: They may be growing up now, but certainly in the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of his career, like, yeah, he was, he was
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  Speaker 1: for sure surrounded by small children at this point. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the apples first.
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  Speaker 2: Inspired by his three year old.
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  Speaker 1: By three year old and and him read it reading, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the ABC's to the kids.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't hate it because it is
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  Speaker 2: a callback to a book one character, So like, totally
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  Speaker 2: a is for Book one works for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Almond Blunt and yeah, I mean there's just
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot going on here, and it's it's one
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  Speaker 1: of those cool moments where you're man. Yeah, Almond Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I always call him Almond blunt, even though I know
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  Speaker 1: it's bunt. I just put that l on there for
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  Speaker 1: some reason.
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  Speaker 2: Remember, he's a bunt cake, not a stoner.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I thought you'd be making the bong
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  Speaker 1: out of the apples, right, Like, that's the whole point.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they're growing them the apple pipes, right, that's
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  Speaker 1: really they're all disappointed because they can't smoke out of
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  Speaker 1: the apples.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, these are just little little what do they
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  Speaker 2: call them, chillums, the little like one hit wonder things.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that's all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all they're gonna be able to make this year.
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  Speaker 2: It's terrible, just.
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  Speaker 1: The little tiny pipes. But yeah, this this, this was
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  Speaker 1: a great moment for me. Like this, this really felt
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  Speaker 1: like what is God Rand going to be like? Right,
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  Speaker 1: this is something that we've been waiting to see. It's
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  Speaker 1: he's finally enlightened. We finally have the leader we need
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  Speaker 1: going into the last battle. You know, we have this
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  Speaker 1: chance and this is the moment where we get to
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  Speaker 1: see that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the clouds literally part to let through
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  Speaker 2: the light of Rand is back. Baby, We're gonna go.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna do this thing. We're gonna scoop up our
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  Speaker 2: book one characters, and we are gonna win this fucking
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  Speaker 2: last battle.
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  Speaker 1: And then but in the meantime, we're gonna hang out
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  Speaker 1: with Paren for a long time doing absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 2: We're just gonna inch as slowly as possible towards the
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  Speaker 2: most obvious conclusion in the entire world.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Oh, you know, I really didn't. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Paren's slog is super long, but once we
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  Speaker 1: get through the first three books, No, he's got a
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  Speaker 1: hold of this slog that happens in this book.
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  Speaker 2: It's just Malden. It's just Fayelle's fault. No, it's not
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  Speaker 2: just Faylle's fault.
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  Speaker 1: No, this rehashing the whole Barre Laine Fayeel fucking thing
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  Speaker 1: all over again. Like it's just like I'm done with it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, do the paragraph?
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  Speaker 1: So excited for them? I always love the paragraph.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a long there's so much seon chan lore
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  Speaker 2: in this paragraph. Like I wouldn't mind if you just
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  Speaker 2: went and went and went, like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good stuff to talk about. Like it's literally like every
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  Speaker 2: other paragraph is like I got shit to comment on
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  Speaker 2: for like a while.
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  Speaker 1: Should I just read up until smoke seemed drives from
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  Speaker 1: the entire continent of sean Chan. That's like two pages in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's long, but like it's good. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's good. If anyone doesn't like it, well skip ahead
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  Speaker 2: two minutes, try.
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  Speaker 1: Six editing radio. Let us know how long it's gonna be.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do, we'll do here they are three minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Apple's first and our symbol is the dragon. The wheel
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  Speaker 1: of time turns, and ages come and pass, leaving memories
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  Speaker 1: that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth
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  Speaker 1: is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth
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  Speaker 1: comes again in one age, called the Third Age by some,
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  Speaker 1: an age yet to come, an age long past. A
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  Speaker 1: wind rose above the misty peaks of Imprahrel. The wind
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  Speaker 1: was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings
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  Speaker 1: to the turning of the wheel of time. But it
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  Speaker 1: was a beginning. Crisp and light, the wind danced across
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  Speaker 1: fields of new mountain grass, stiff with frost that frost
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  Speaker 1: lingered past first light, sheltered by the omnipresent clouds that
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  Speaker 1: hung like a death mask high above It had been
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  Speaker 1: weeks since those clouds had budged, and the wan yellowed
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  Speaker 1: grass showed it. The wind churned morning mist, moving southward,
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  Speaker 1: chilling a small pride of torm. They reclined on a
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  Speaker 1: flat like in stained granite shelf, waiting to bask in
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  Speaker 1: morning sunlight that would not arrive. The wind poured over
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  Speaker 1: the shelf, racing down a hillside of scraggly mirror trees
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  Speaker 1: with ropelike bark and green tufts of thick, needlelike leaves
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  Speaker 1: atop them. At the base of the foothills, the wind
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  Speaker 1: turned eastward, passing an open plain kept free of trees
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  Speaker 1: and scrub by the soldier's axe. The killing fields surrounded
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  Speaker 1: thirteen fortresses, tall and cut entirely from unpolished black marble,
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  Speaker 1: their blocks left rough hewn to give them a primal
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  Speaker 1: feeling of unformed strength. These were towers meant for war
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  Speaker 1: by tradition. They were unoccupied. How long would that last?
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  Speaker 1: How long tradition itself would be remembered? And a continent
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  Speaker 1: in chaos remained to be seen. The wind continued eastward,
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  Speaker 1: and soon it was playing with the masts of half
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  Speaker 1: burned ships at the docks of takus rahm out into
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  Speaker 1: the sleeping bay. It passed the attackers enormous great ships,
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  Speaker 1: would sails painted blood red. They sailed southward, their grizzly
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  Speaker 1: work done. The wind blew on to land again, past
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  Speaker 1: smoldering towns and villages, Open plains filled with troops and
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  Speaker 1: docks fat with warships. Smoke, warhalls and banners flew above
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  Speaker 1: dying grass and beneath the dock master's Gloomy sky men
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  Speaker 1: did not whisper that this might be the end of times.
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  Speaker 1: They yelled it. The fields of peace were aflame, the
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  Speaker 1: tower of Ravens was broken, as prophesied, and a murderer
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  Speaker 1: openly ruled in Shandar. This was a time to lift
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  Speaker 1: one's sword and choose a side, then spill blood to
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  Speaker 1: give a final color to the dying land. The wind
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  Speaker 1: howled eastward over the famed Emerald Cliffs and coursed out
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  Speaker 1: over the ocean behind. Smoke seemed to rise from the
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  Speaker 1: entire continent of Sean Chan.
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  Speaker 2: Good read, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes the long narrator voices are the hardest ones to read,
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  Speaker 1: because if you have a character voice, you can get
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  Speaker 1: into the character voice, you know, but the narrator. You
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  Speaker 1: want to you want to emphasize the right things, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I find the the long, long narrator things the hardest
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  Speaker 1: to sort of keep interesting and vary up as you
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  Speaker 1: read them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good reading though, Like there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff in it to talk about. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: you carried through. You did a good job even though
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  Speaker 2: it was long. Thank you. All right, So stuff to
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  Speaker 2: talk about here. Obviously, the Towers of Midnight, yes we
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  Speaker 2: don't get the name, but this is the Towers or
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  Speaker 2: the Towers of the Ravens are the the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: I assume this is the Towers of Midnight because of
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  Speaker 2: the whole unoccupied thing. Ors I think the Tower of
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  Speaker 2: the Ravens is occupied.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that's correct. And it's also the guide, right,
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  Speaker 1: So this is the world of Robert Jordan's Wheel of
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  Speaker 1: Time aka the Big Bad Book of Bad Art does describe.
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  Speaker 2: That's the big kind name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you open it up, you really the
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  Speaker 1: art's bad, right, Like it's not. It's not one of
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  Speaker 1: those things where you can be like, oh, it's just
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  Speaker 1: you know, some of this art isn't the best.
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  Speaker 2: And in fairness, the art is unfinished.
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  Speaker 1: The art is unfinished. Yes, so it's.
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  Speaker 2: Bad because it's literally not done yet, and unfinished art
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  Speaker 2: does look like that.
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  Speaker 1: We can lay that an Eyewat or Red Eagle Entertainment,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them. They've changed their name
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  Speaker 1: several times. They did pull out midway through their commitment
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  Speaker 1: of the book, which caused it to be published unfinished.
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  Speaker 2: So you're pulling from that that this is the Towers
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  Speaker 2: have been Night. We know that.
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  Speaker 1: I am referencing what encyclopedia that says that. The guide
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  Speaker 1: says that they are the Towers have been Night. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: the Wikipedia says it.
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  Speaker 2: As everyone knows, Wikipedia is infallible.
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  Speaker 1: Which is because I did not realize these were the
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  Speaker 1: Towers have been Night up until just today, right. I
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  Speaker 1: always thought that it was you know, the Black Tower,
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  Speaker 1: the White Tower, maybe you know one of the I've asked,
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  Speaker 1: I think in previous episodes, like what are the Towers
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  Speaker 1: of Midnight, and people have been like, oh, maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: the tower in Shondar, But then I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: the Raven Tower, not these Towers of Midnight. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This gives me almost like a like an abandoned Towers
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  Speaker 2: of Malk heir kind of energy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually had to read this a couple of
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  Speaker 1: times and be like, wait, is the wind blowing through Malchier?
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  Speaker 1: But I thought that was seven towers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's there's something really eerie and prophetic
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  Speaker 2: and going. Something's going on with these in a way
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  Speaker 2: that reminds me of malk Here, And I do think
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  Speaker 2: they there is a prophecy mentioning them somewhere somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Doing a quickly search. Of course, it's very hard to
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  Speaker 1: find the prophecy Towers of Midnight because everything you google
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  Speaker 1: just brings you right to the book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I found it. I found it in the back
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  Speaker 2: of in the glossary of this book. Nice thirteen fortresses
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  Speaker 2: of unpolished black marble located in Inferol, Seanchan. At the
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  Speaker 2: time of the Consolidation of sean Chan, it was the
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  Speaker 2: center of military might. The final battle of the Consolidation
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  Speaker 2: took place there, leaving hawk Wing's descendants in power. Since
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  Speaker 2: that time, it has been unoccupied. Legend says that in
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  Speaker 2: time of dire needs, the Imperial family will return to
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  Speaker 2: the Towers of Midnight and right that which is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: See also Consolidation. So nothing about a prophecy, but you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fact that there are thirteen of them,
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  Speaker 1: like you could be like, oh, those are the forsaken, right,
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  Speaker 1: you got these thirteen black towers of evil that are falling.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know's it's, in my opinion, one
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  Speaker 1: of the poorest title choices, like at least the other
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  Speaker 1: ones have. Like on the Heights, you know.
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  Speaker 2: The paths are paved with daggers, paths.
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  Speaker 1: Are paved with daggers, you know, a knife of dreams
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  Speaker 1: again this form of prophecy, But Towers of Midnight.
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  Speaker 2: Here at the end of the book, there's a shadow
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  Speaker 2: prophecy with the line, yeah, the broken Wolf, the one
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  Speaker 2: whom death has known, shall fall and be consumed by
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  Speaker 2: the Midnight Towers. So that's in a dark prophecy at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the book. But uh, it's a really
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  Speaker 2: cool set of words. To have such an understated, backstage
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  Speaker 2: footnotey kind of meeting would be nice to have it
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  Speaker 2: be a little more flamboyantly front and center, because it's
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  Speaker 2: a cool set of words, Towers of Midnight.
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  Speaker 1: And also then like, how is he consumed by the
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  Speaker 1: Towers of Midnight?
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand, well, all the dark prophecies don't come
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  Speaker 2: true because reasons. So, you know, I'm not sure. It
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  Speaker 2: didn't seem like he was in any kind of serious
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  Speaker 2: conflict with the Sean Chan. But oh I like that
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  Speaker 2: idea athlon that they would have been relevant to the Outriggers,
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  Speaker 2: like a big part, big forward. Oh yeah, this was
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  Speaker 2: a tiny detail in the main series, but now it's
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  Speaker 2: a huge deal for the Outrigger. Yeah. Yeah, that would
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  Speaker 2: make a lot of sense because it's a really cool
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  Speaker 2: visual ed phrase.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah really, sorry, I'm just doing some research and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not finding anything.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry about that. You know, so nothing on the nothing
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  Speaker 1: on the Towers of Midnight.
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  Speaker 2: We'll figure it out or we won't. It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, the wind comes to Dragon Mount.
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  Speaker 2: It makes what would be called trade winds at another age. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: science boys showing off that you took a meteorology one
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  Speaker 2: oh one, congrats.
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  Speaker 1: I bet I bet the original phrase. I bet he
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  Speaker 1: wrote trade winds. And the editor was like, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have trade wins back then. He's like, fine in another age, which.
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  Speaker 2: Like true, they don't have trade wins yet. They haven't
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  Speaker 2: figured out sailing across the ocean because the Shawn Chas
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  Speaker 2: sort of preclude that, but yeah, I totally agree, that's
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  Speaker 2: totally what happened. He's like trade wins. They're like the
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  Speaker 2: winds to be known as trade winds, like formerly end
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  Speaker 2: in future known as trade wins. And then yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: gets to the continent and Peter's out until it is
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  Speaker 2: but a wispy little breeze as it curls around Dragonmount
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  Speaker 2: where zen Rand is going to enter the stage. Well, first,
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  Speaker 2: all in Bunch first, All in Blunt first, are awesome
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  Speaker 2: cranky old apple farmer cart driver from the road trip
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  Speaker 2: from Hell Time Travel Adventure.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is he's not an apple farmer, right right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, this is my brother in law's.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, his sister's farm.
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  Speaker 1: His sister's farm, right and so, and his brother in
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  Speaker 1: law died, so he's there to help out.
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  Speaker 2: But like normally in a bubble of evil mind you yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: burn into a tree shaped thing of sulfur.
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  Speaker 1: Rich stuff, and he's having to decide between helping his
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  Speaker 1: sons versus helping his sister because like his sons were
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  Speaker 1: robbed of all their food.
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  Speaker 2: Because he left his sons behind to take care of
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  Speaker 2: his farm while he went to help his sister, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: now everything's fucked.
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  Speaker 1: Not everything's fucked because because the food fails. Right, once
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  Speaker 1: the food fails, it's like, what do you do here?
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  Speaker 1: You know, what's there? Three meals away from chaos?
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  Speaker 2: Nine I think nine nine missed meals away.
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  Speaker 1: From three days worth of meals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly, because you can handle a day
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  Speaker 2: without like totally losing civic control. But once you've gone
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  Speaker 2: through three days and your children are like really freaking out,
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  Speaker 2: like things get messy, and it's been a lot more
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  Speaker 2: than three days at this point. In these books, we
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  Speaker 2: often talk about how fast it is, but if you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about the speed at which civil order and infrastructure
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  Speaker 2: breaks down, it's been a long time since the inciting
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  Speaker 2: incidents for some of these people.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I do think that, like the food spoilage
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  Speaker 1: is increasing, right, there didn't there's not. I think in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning it.
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  Speaker 2: Was like the great of change.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so now all of a sudden it went
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  Speaker 1: from like half the food spoiling, like all the food spoiling,
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  Speaker 1: and so they've become desperate in the last few days,
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  Speaker 1: which is you know, basically a recruiting tool for the
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  Speaker 1: side of the light, but.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the darks also treats it as a recruiting tool,
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  Speaker 2: like desperate people will do desperate things. But like it
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  Speaker 2: seems to really work in favor of the Light if
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  Speaker 2: you just have anyone that's remotely competent and also Parent
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  Speaker 2: has the tavere and halo effect that makes his food
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  Speaker 2: go bad a lot slower. So that also really readly helps.
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  Speaker 1: Because that seems to be like what our heroes are
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  Speaker 1: able to do, right, They are preventing the dark ones
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  Speaker 1: touch somehow, whether that's their connection to Rand and now
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  Speaker 1: that he is of the light, but even but okay,
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  Speaker 1: so here's the thing. When we get the Parent section,
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  Speaker 1: that's back in time quite a bit before Rand has
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  Speaker 1: an epiphany, but Paren is still able to protect the
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  Speaker 1: food from being spoiled.
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  Speaker 2: I think it has to do with the fact that
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  Speaker 2: because they're tied to the pattern, reality is a little
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  Speaker 2: more solid where they are. They're like a anchor point almost,
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  Speaker 2: and so as reality is unraveling and breaking the rules,
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  Speaker 2: the rules are just less able to break around these
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  Speaker 2: people on whom the pattern hinges like it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be the last place to break down. That's kind of
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  Speaker 2: how I hit canon, and that's true regardless of where
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  Speaker 2: Rand's at in his epiphany status. That's just like inherent
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  Speaker 2: to who they are as Taveran. I think that's just
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  Speaker 2: my head canon. It's very you know, navel gaysy and meta.
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  Speaker 1: But which kind of balances out the bubbles of evil
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  Speaker 1: seeking out the tavern and breaking the pattern around them.
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  Speaker 2: And we do like balance in our FMO headcare.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, we get the story about how the man
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  Speaker 1: who died right he turned the corner and turned into
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  Speaker 1: an evil tree that smelled of sulfur and then they
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  Speaker 1: cut it down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was his brother in law. So now
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  Speaker 2: he's up trying to take care of the orchard. But
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  Speaker 2: now he's standing there with his two nephews looking at
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of you know, barely started fruit that has
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  Speaker 2: all dropped to the ground.
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  Speaker 1: At once it started, laid, it grew slow, but at
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  Speaker 1: least it was fruit, and then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: rotted and died.
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  Speaker 2: Then dropped to the ground. Just all of it so
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  Speaker 2: wildly unnatural, like someone just hit a key command in
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  Speaker 2: a video game. Like it's entire and the kids are
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: pretty freaked, and he's trying to be chill and cool
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: about it. But there's not a lot of ways to
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: be chill and cool about your orchard. Just like controls
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: the failing on itself.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: And this isn't like a person's orchard. This is like
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: a region's orchard. This is like the Google of orchards, right,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Like this is like we produce more apples that distributed
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: them the more places.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an apple producing region. This is an
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: economy supporting thing. This is a not truly a bread basket,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: but a fruit basket sort of thing. Is a Yeah,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: it's a really big deal. It's not just four or
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: five trees in the backyard.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: In the way that like wool and to back are
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the industries of the two rivers. This place produces apples.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right exactly. Yeah, this is their product agriculturally, and
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: this is one of the biggest farms in the region.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Like this is it's a big deal.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: And he's like all in blonds, putting up a good face.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you know, I've had worse Aviaviada. But
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I've had worse, but at least the
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: food wasn't going rotten, right, Like, right, I don't know
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: what to do like at this point he is really
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: just totally freaking out and trying to hide it from
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the younger guys.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: A little bit of a callback to the very first
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: prologue of the Sanderson books. Right, here's how an old
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: farmer responds to the world falling apart, and how he
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: right tells his younger generations like how to deal with
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the situation and reflecting on how in all his years
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: he's never seen anything like this, right, Like, we saw
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: it with a random character at the beginning of the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: last book. Now we're seeing it with a character and
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: we know, albeit not since the first book, but still
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: it's iterating this is what it's like to just be
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: a random person trying to exist in this world.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And I do like the way he's able to bring
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: in that he makes this character instead of just some
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: random farmer someone we've encountered before, although I do think
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it is stretched a little bit to make that lundering
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: merchant suddenly an apple farmer. I'm like, okay, that he was.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: A farmer before. He wasn't a merchant. He was just
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: like running his farm products to town.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's right, My bad.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: How dare you?
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: How dare I how how dare I besmirch the name
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of the man? Well, and this is the guy like
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: if we go back right I the world he was
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the one who gave him a scarf, which means he
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: appeared in a couple of different the flashbacks got all
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: weird and so like he's the guy who you think, oh,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: are there two of them giving him a scarf? And
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: is like no, we just see that scene twice.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: It was foreshadowing that he would come back in book thirteen.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: That's really what it was all about. It's like, yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: he's gonna totally I like that idea, the.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: One that you keep seeing multiple times, and also the
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: one that gave them a thing, not just a ride,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: but the scarves, Like he gets to come back. He
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: earned the right to get to come back in Last
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Battle times.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And didn't he also identify them as like being hunted
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and like didn't say anything about it and helped him out, Like.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: He offered to let them come out to his farm.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That's right and high.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: It's like if I don't know what you're running from,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: but if you need a place to hide, you can
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: come to my farm. And Matt was all daggrimatted out
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: and ran away, right, and he was like, fine, you're right.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have offered here have some scarves anyway, My
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: house is over there if you change your mind. Fucking weirdos.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I really like the way this comes together
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: for him, and it's just like, yeah, he's a good dude.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: He's a good dude, and it's obviously trying to do
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the best for all the people in his employee and
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: then his brother's employ and just like, yeah, I respect him,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I like him. He's a good character.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: More of these calls backs, more of this back is
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: what we really really wanted. This is exactly the kind
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: of this is the whole full circle nature of the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: series kind of thing, because.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: So often you and I are like, oh man, we
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: just why is he introducing all these characters to never
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: use them again? And this is a great like this
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: is what the characters should be used for. It's like,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: what have they been doing? Let's bring back all those
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: characters from the initial book from the initial series.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they have a backstory. We know their backstory
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: because it was book one, Like, we don't need the
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: backstory in the notes, like.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And they and they continue to live after that, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: all these characters exist in the world, and like some
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of my favorite things is like when Pater comes back
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: as the kid, the evil kid, or when what's his
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: name gets his forehead stomped on and he shows up later.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So I just I like it when there's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: there's full circleness, and you know, I know some people
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: are like, well, but you know, the world's a big place,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and I think it makes sense to have someone who
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: like appears and then disappears and you never see them again,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: because that's kind of how life works. But like, you
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: know what, this isn't there.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It's a book. Yeah, give me fantasy. So he kind
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: of gives up. He thinks to himself, you know, kind
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: of in an echo of what Rand has been going
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: through up on the mountain in the preceding hours, is like, well,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: there it is. The fight's been lost. We've lost, we
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: have nothing left. What can I possibly do? Maybe it's
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: time to like join my wife in the afterlife, Like
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: this is this is it. I'm giving up and might
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: as well just die. And then that is a perfect
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: echo of the land as one with the dragon, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the farmers are one with the land. So the farmers
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: are one with a dragon too, and as he gives up,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a beam of sunlight reaches him and zen Rand comes
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: floating in on a chorus of angels.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: It is a little bit like that, though, isn't it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, yeah, he's just gonna go ahead.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: You can see it in that classic Mormon art style.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: It's really like renaissance through a Mormon, flowing silken robes,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: long flowing hair.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Isn't there also, like God came down from the mountain
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and present it, Like, isn't that a whole thing in
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: religion is like coming down.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Only a dozen hundred times. Yeah, yeah, God's coming out
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: of clouds and deities and prophets and like divine beings
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: coming out of clouds is a thing. It's just a thing.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: They descend from mountaintops bearing tablets of wisdom, they throw
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: lightning bolts, like it's just mountains and clouds and the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: divine are a whole thing.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Oh the mountaintop sermon Jesus had the Booji is saying, yeah, I.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Mean that was a slightly lower elevation so that way
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: more people could get to the amphitheater than you know.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Well, everything was at a lower elevation than Dragon Mount
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, it's above the clouds.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying Moses went up on a mountain
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: to talk to some aliens that had to pick him
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: up from a sufficiently high elevation that the tractor beam
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you know, also get a bear or whatever. Yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: also Mufasa, I mean to lean on our nineties cannon, right.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Like Moufasa who's head again?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's clouds and the divine is a thing.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: But I just you know, it's just the way that
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: like a sunbeam comes down and then zen rand comes down.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just like I can see the Mormon magazine illustration
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: very clearly.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: But like at what point, like grand is so clearly Jesus, right,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Like I get that this there's the very Mormons Jesus,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: but he's Jesus is part of what he is, right,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and his story and the telling. It's not just Sanderson
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: coming in being like I'm Mormon, therefore I'm going to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: invent this thing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying the visuals of it are like
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: those flowy Renaissance paintings that the Mormon illustrators are apic.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I can see the billowing silk billowing
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: no reason, just excess billowing silk everywhere. Like that's all
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the wind, right. We spend pages describing the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: wind totally.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Local, it's totally yes, yes, I have no problems with it.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, we're really, we really are using a
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Mormon illustrator to make sure we all get the Jesus
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: imagery real clear. Which is fine, It's fine.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: All right, Jesus move on.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: No, he's going to really just like favor this moment
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and live in the now because that's who he is now.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not lost finally, right, He's he's really living in
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: the present moment.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, this is this is him being like,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: oh I've had enlightenment, right, this is enlightened Rand. He
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: understands the point of life now, you know, and he
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: still has some He's not perfect, right, And I think
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: that's a good part of his enlightenment is him realizing, like,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and especially later on, he has to let
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: go of his list, like he still hasn't let go
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of the list, which I think is ridiculous.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because he's he's human, He's an enlightened human.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: He's not pure enlightenment. He has not entered Nirvana and
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: stayed there. Right, He briefly touched Nirvana and has come
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: back into a dynamic, embodied, suffering human experience which involves
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: tears and mistakes and anguish and all that stuff.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: But I think a big what I really like about
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: this because I do really like the scene, right, like
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: as much as I'm sort of criticizing you, like, it's
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a great scene. And I think the difference is when
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Rand cleansed the source, there was no moment where he
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: got to come down and be like I have done
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: it to everyone and went ooh. But now he's going
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: around basically going from ally to ally being like, yo,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I'm cool, and everyone be like, whoa, you are cool? Yeah,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's such a profound difference in
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: terms of the catharsis, like we got to see the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: moment on the mountain and now we're seeing the after effects.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very much so. And I also love what
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: he says about like to learn but not be overwhelmed.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Is the balance, Like just coming right out of the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: gate with Rand gets balanced. Now all of these lessons
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that people have been begging for him to learn like.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Is the balance? Yeah, he has balance. I think that's
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the real key here, is like, oh yeah, he's balanced.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Finally he's not like quendy are getting harder exactly real time,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Like the point of real time is the balance, right,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Like that is the everything from the ancient symbol of
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the eye sid die to evil versus good to like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the way the pattern enforces balance. And he's finally come
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to that realization, which makes him one with the pattern
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in a way that he hasn't been.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: He's graduated to another set of lessons, that's for sure.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely Yeah.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And then almond Bunt himself is looking at Rand, calling
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: him lad one minute and then man the next, like
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: in his head like Rand looks so young, but he
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: is so old. And you can see almond Bunt like
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: going from huh, there's something odd about this lad. Wow,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: there is something about this man, this man right right,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the maturity that Rand has acquired very visible to an
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: outsider who doesn't know him.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Right, even though he's you know, physically young right.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Like right exactly, he's literally twenty three.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: No, no, see, this is the thing that always throws me.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: He was eighteen when he left the two Rivers.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So he's like twenty one at this point.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: He's like twenty twenty one now, yeah, God, so young.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: A GWayne was sixteen, he was eighteen when they left
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the Two Rivers and it's been just over two years.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So depending on when birthdays are and all that kind
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of stuff, he's twenty twenty.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: One, a very old twenty one.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: This is like the world leader who can't like necessarily
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: order a drink at a bar, right, like right right,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: he would get id That's all I'm saying.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then you.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Look in his eyes and go, oh ancient.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, four hundred never mind, you're four hundred.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Memories, So that's that's I think where the contradiction
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: comes from. Right, It's like physically he is, you know, twenty,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: but mentally he has the memories and the age and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the wisdom of a four hundred year old.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, Rand says, pick the apples now,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: because if you if you pick them, that puts a
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: permanent save on them, and they'll be good until you
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: eat them. He somehow knows that in some metaphysical way
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: that like if you harvest them while I'm here, they
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: will stay good. They won't go bad even when I leave.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: It's like he can lock in that protection if they're picked.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, while they're growing, they're still vulnerable, but once
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they're picked, they're no longer connected to the dark one
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and they're insulated and he can like freeze them with
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: his goodness or something like that. There is like what
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: is he doing? Like is he making the apples grow?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Is this a bubble of good? Right? We've had the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: bubbles of evil?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I mean I think so, right, because the apples just
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: had a bubble of evil hit them, So like the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: pattern would allow for Rand to bubble of good back
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: at them.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: You know what this kind of reminds me of you
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: ever watch Doctor Who? Yeah, so this is the moment
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: where he's a new doctor, eleventh doctor I think, and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: he gets his hand cut off and like in that moment,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: it regrows because he's still doing his regeneration right, and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: it's like, whoa, that's really cool And that's kind of
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: what it reminds me of Rand, Like he's still kind
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: of in the middle of his epiphany. Yeah, and so
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: there was this like bubble of evil that created all
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: this bad stuff and he's like, nope, uno reverse this
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: In the bubble of good because I'm in my epiphany moments,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I can just like reverse the bubble of evil and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: make it a bubble look good and grow those apples
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: right back, right.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he like has that attribute until his next short
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: rest and.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly and.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It's still basically is in effect when he goes to Tarvalin, right,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: like all the tea and wine and everything gets good
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: like while he's there, and then it gets bad again
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: once he leaves.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean that's just his like normal aura
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: presence that's affecting his ability to like, yeah this.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Was that's true. That does stay with him for the
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: rest of the rest of the time.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: But the growing of the apples not necessarily being good.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Being good is something he gets for the rest of
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: And locking in the goodness and locking.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: In the goodness. Yeah, well I think that's because they
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: were grown.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: But I guess he doesn't go to any other farms. Yeah,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: maybe he was singing the growing, So maybe he came
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: down the mountain like singing mm hmmm, like just like
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: a walking song, right, because we know that the song
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: is more about vibes than about lyrics, and like he
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: was just doing like a two rivers walking song, like
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: revisiting his roots and being like, ah, yeah, sweep for
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a minute, and like suddenly noticed the apples were growing
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: and was like, oh shit, I'm gonna make someone's day,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and then just walk through the orchard.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I think he's literally, yeah, I don't think this was
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the song of growing, right, I don't think that that's
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: something he was using in this situation. Like it is
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: something he uses later to grow those trees in the tent, right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Like he's totally using it at that point, and the
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: peaches and the peaches, but maybe I don't know. I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: feel like they grew too fast.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: No, that's what happens in the peach scene is he
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: makes them go through this exact cycle. He literally repeats
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: this performance but with the peaches in a private courtyard,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and that works as an omen for the shan chan ah.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I forgot that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: So he might very well be using his epiphany vibes
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: to discover how to do the song of growing on
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: those apple orchard well.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And again he doesn't need to, like he remembers the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: song of growing now.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's maybe it is just the lyrics, Maybe he
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't the lyrics, but yeah, I mean I think maybe
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Ran did that because he does do we know he
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: does it to the peaches, Yeah know that, So he
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: might be doing it for the first time here I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: could see that. Or maybe it's just epipennie vibes. I
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: mean either way, we don't know. It's off screen either way.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Right right, we don't have an idea of like, oh,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: did he do something to cause them to grow? Or
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: was that just a side effect of like Rand's goodness
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and wholesomeness and coming down off the mountain and being
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: near his presence and he's one with the land and
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Well lfe Blanded flu brings up a good point that
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the tea and all of that is pattern balancing, but
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: peaches and apples are growing, all right. The song is
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: for growing. Maybe maybe there's something to that.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, the song is for growing, but like
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that's still balancing, right, Like, because the dark one is destroying,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: growing is balancing the destruction.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's both. Maybe he used the song of growing. Wow,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: he had epiphany vibes and that's why it's so excellent.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a combination of things, right, and this
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: is leading towards him being able to light the pipe, right,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: he's able to do things without necessarily embracing the power.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: He's affecting the pattern. He's affecting the way the world
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: is working, and this is one example of it. And
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: that's going I think maybe foreshadowing for him fighting the
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Dark One.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's starting to get some real creator esque powers,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: which makes him seem maybe leveled up to being able
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to deal with all caps Dark One.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Right, right, because he's doing things finally, he's affecting reality
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: without using the One power or the true power.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now maybe he's using the power of the singing,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: but I think he's just using the power of teverin
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the power of balancing the pattern. Right, that's really what
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: he is. He's the balance to the Dark One. And
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: before when he was you know, Darth Rand, he wasn't
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: balancing the Dark One at all, and so the Dark
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: One was just winning. Things were getting just worse and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: worse and worse. He was balanced in the beginning, and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: then he became Dark Rand and then all the Taban
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: events around him were bad. There were no none of
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the good events. And now he's just creating good events.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And the more the Dark One gets free, the more
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: powerful he becomes because you know, on two sides of scale,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: if you put more weight on the other side, you
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: end up with you know, for some reason, I think
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: of v eqles ir right, like rand is the voltage
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and the dark one is current and you have to
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: balance them out. And yeah, I don't know.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the idea that he used the song
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: on these apples. I don't really I.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Just like it. I'm gonna head canon it. Yeah. I
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: like the head cannon that that's how we grew them.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it gives me better vibes and.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: That he's kind of doing the whole like he's good,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: but he's also a little bit of a charlatan. Sometimes
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: he has his little tricks to make make himself like
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: feel more powerful than he is. We see him use
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that with the Sean Chan.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I mean is that being a Is that a trick?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Or is that just using your knowledge that they don't have?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean both both. Yeah, I mean you know
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that's isn't that what magic is? Is just like knowing
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: something the audience doesn't. That is most magic, yes, or
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: at least illusions.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not all magic is illusion.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: They're not tricks, Michael. They're illusions.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I would call illusions tricks for sure. That's kind of
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the whole point. But whatever, that's just me. I like
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: getting into semantic arguments anyway, Almond Bunt remembers who Rand is,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: just in case anyone in the audience wasn't quite picking
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: that up because they hadn't done rereads umpteen times between
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: that book and this book. You know, maybe you only
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: read it once and you need to be reminded.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I honestly think though, when he says do I know you,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: he's like literally referring to like, are you the dragon Reborn?
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Well, also that, but it does it does say remembering
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: an odd pair of youths he had given a lift
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: too in his cart years ago. He does literally say that,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: so the audience at least knows that this is in
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: fact that.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Guy, right right.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Rand's like, I mean, yeah, probably, you know, men are
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: often speaking of me just walked away like what a
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: celebrity move.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's why I think he's like, you, Yes,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: people are often talking to me because I'm the dragon reborn,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Like that's Rand at least thinks that's where he recognizes
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: him from. I don't know if Rand realizes this is
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: No, Rand doesn't know no, no, no, no, Rand has no
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: idea he's met this man before. Only okay, audience are
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: sure of that. I think almond BoNT is unsure Rand
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: is clueless.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I guess okay, that makes sense. That's because I thought
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Rand remembered him as well.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, at least not in this scene.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: So like, dude, Rand, come on, that's kind of shitty,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Like you're supposed to be the good celebrity who remembers
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: people and is like, oh yeah, bro, you get me
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a scarf?
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: What really would have been nice? If Rand has said
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: probably people are often speaking of wait, a scarf, like
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: that's how that should or.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: If you like left the scarf for him, right, like
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: return the scarf.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I think that would Well, this isn't your scarf, but
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I hope that it replaces the one that you gave me,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: kind of like how he was.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: With the sword exactly.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been awesome.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Like I wasn't able to give you. I can give
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: you back what you gave me in my moment of need.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Right in es Sex's humble scarf. But it means the world. Yeah,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: it was Rand who was sick in his cart, I think.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Rand had it was channeling sickness.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt was blinded from the lightning that Rand channeled.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, But then Rand was the one having weird dreams
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and visions where he wasn't sure what time it was
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: or who he you know. That's where we get the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: repeated vision where we see Almond Blunt twice because Rand
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: is like confused about reality. He's like, wait, what the fuck?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Where am I? Who am I? What am I doing?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: What time is it?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Matt was holding it together barely despite the degger in
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the blindedness, because Rand needed him.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But he was very suspicious on this walk the whole time.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is probably whyt B doesn't remember Rand is
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: because he's paid way more attention to Matt that trip,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: because it was the one next to him being weird,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: whereas just sleeping in the back and occasionally shouting in nightmares.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Well, he did know he was sick, right, and he
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: was taking care of him because he was sick, and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and he knew they were in trouble too. That's the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: other reason, Like, right.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was laughing at the innkeeper who was
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: talking to the mergerll and He's like, you're a dumb
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: ass for talking to Merderrall the other guy's like, well,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: you're a dumb ass for driving at night. And that
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: was when Rand was like, we should talk to him.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, totally.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: If I'm recalling all that correctly, it was the road
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: trip from Hell. I might be confusing some of the instances.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Some of my favorite scenes. I really do that that
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: trip with Matt and Rand just made me fall in
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: love with the books, I think in the beginning.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and all these years later, I still can't keep
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: trek of exactly which farmer did which part of the
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: road trip. But whatever, No.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter because the only one that's important
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: is Aman Blunt. All the other ones are just like, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: gave him little scenes but whatever.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Rand walks away more or less saying like
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: can you's got like a fifty mile radius on his
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: charm or whatever, so it'll be fine. And Almond Bunt
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: runs into town or into the house or wherever it
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: is that people are into the village and is like,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: oh my god, we gotta gore at the apples. We
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: go go at the apples. You guys, you don't understand
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I got gore at the Apples and it's a good
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: end to a chapter.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: No, and that's that's where we get the he has
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to do the apples first before they go do which
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: is basically before they go fight in the last battle.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, two things Rand talks about. I have to do
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: something I've been putting off. I doubt she will be
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: pleased by what I tell her. I believe that's referencing
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: talking to a gwayn.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's the next thing he does.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Because they are almond Bunt thinks about how they're on
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: those slips of Dragon Mountain. They're so close to the
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: ice of dye, and he doesn't like being that close
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: to it. So yeah, that Rand is going to walk
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: from the height of Dragon mount all the way down
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: to the river bottom where Tarvalin is and talk.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: To her again. Very if you if you remember Sanderson
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the Walk to Uruthu, where they're walking to the mountain
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: instead of coming down off of it. But it's a
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: very similar vibe The Way of Kings. The Way of
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Kings in his first book is the book exists inside
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the book, right, So his his first book is The
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Way of kings. But in the world there is a
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: book called The Way of Kings where a king describes
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: his journey walking to the mountain, the Great Mountain, so
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: very similar vibes there. And then the other thing. There
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: is a lightness to the air, warped and bent around
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the wind, as opposed to the darkness that was around
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: him before. And so that's that's when I talk about
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: like I do, I legitimately think he's getting anti bubble
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of evil.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Powers totally, totally. He literally is warping the other direction.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. If he has any power, that's that's where
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I think the power is coming from. That's different than
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the power he.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Had with channeling, definitely.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And then there's this moment where Almond Blunt says, gather everyone,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and you know everyone, and I always think of Leon
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the Professional if you're familiar with that movie. There's a
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: point where Gary Oldman turns and goes, he goes get everyone,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: and he goes who you mean everyone? He goes freye
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the most intense like yelling, and so that's yeah. So
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: now now of course Am Blunt is Gary Oldman in
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: my head because of that line where he turns and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: goes everyone.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with this casting Aim and Almond
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: bunt as with Gary Oldman. Yeah, let's do it. Let's
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: And let's see, I'm gonna have to drop the gift
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and chat Aman Oldman. Nice, light minded fool. So do
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: we need that?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Nice, nice Gary?
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: All right? So oh that's all I have for that chapter.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I think, yep, I am ready to move on to
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: chapter two. Questions of leadership with the wolf symbol because
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: parent time and also a bit of glade, who's basically
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: just parent time.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely more parent time. Questions of leadership that does
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: parent want to be a leader? And obviously does Galad
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: become leader of the White Cloaks?
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Neither of them want it. One of them
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: accepts it much more gracefully than the other. But it
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: is a question of who gets to lead. That is
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: what both armies are kind of dealing. Well, one army
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: has already made up its mind and the leader stillso
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: figure it out, whereas Goalad's army literally just decided to
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: change leaders. So it's a little more acute for them.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: And we'll have a correction when we there we were wrong.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get there.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: And I think the other really important thing to realize
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: is this is a huge step back in time. Right,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: It's not obvious. It's really not obvious considering the Rand
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: thing happens before this in the chapter. But this is
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: as far as I can tell. Right, There is this
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: line in the opening paragraph. A few days ago, the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: pervasive cloud cover had turned black, darkening, like the advent
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: of a horrible storm. I assume that happened when Samarag
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: took off Rand's hand, Darth. That's when the sky, the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: cloud cover turned, went from gray to black. And so
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's our time stamp. Right, we are a
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: few days after Rand gets his hand taken off. Okay,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that would be my guess. I haven't confirmed that that's.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: The case, but okay, but that makes sense.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're deep in Darth Rand at this point.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Okay. I like that. It's like, let's like, even if
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: you're wrong about the exact event, like we're rough roughly,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: that's about how far back we are. And also he
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: talks about how it's been a month since they left Malden,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: a distance he had planned to cover in a week,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and I feel like that's a little bit of a
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: nod too. Yeah, so there's some timeline funkiness going on. Yeah,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: so just to understand that there's some wrinkles and folds
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: that we didn't really want but we have.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, sinking that up with like, yeah, it's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: been a month since he left Malden. Remember, like Faya
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: was only in Maldon for like a month and a.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Half, right, right, it's been almost as long again since Yeah, totally.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Totally because we had the knots and he had like
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: fifty knots or something like that, which is like, yeah,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: it's not even two months. So yeah, we're in this
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: one line. We're delaying pretty much as much as the
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: last three books. There.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot. So some time is passing,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: and in order to let time pass, we have what
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: is I consider the weakest bubble of evil. It's really
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: just here for plotline reasons, which is random red snakes
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: appeared in camp Bit, a bunch of people. Everybody got sick.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: The Channelers got more sick than most.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: How convenient, I mean inconvenient?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how inconvenient? And so you know plot yeah means
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the Channelers have been useless, which you know, if you
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: want somehow taverin Right, Tavern is keeping in place because
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: he needs to recruit the White Cloaks, So the bubble
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: of evil is somehow good for him, right, Like, if
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I don't like it, I don't like the Tavereness.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Bad luck, good luck.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I don't like that Tevereness is using evil to make
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: things happen for him, right. The bubbles of evil always
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: seem to be random? Yeah, no other time do our
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: characters benefit from it?
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: So not my favorite. Not my favorite bubble of evil.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Not my favorite.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Also because it's told like very quickly in retrospective when
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: it should be this like big thing, but it seems
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: like the only.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Well if it's going to be that week, I'd rather
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: not spend page time on That's true.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: God though, But like would that not have been a
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: better chapter than what we get here than being like.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Just done this much more efficiently?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah whatever, So yeah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Paren is in the process of interviewing yet another batch
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of random mercenaries bandits vagabonds, people who are willing to
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: behave in exchange for regular meals, and that's really how
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: he builds the force he has. In addition to scooping
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: up odds and ends of actual armies. He's also just
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: building this backdrop grab bag noise of men with swords
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: who are hungry.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And you know, Tavern is making him recruiting army. He
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't want an army. He's getting a fucking army.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Too bad. Pen. It's really funny how he's like, everyone
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: needs to understand that a thing is a thing, and
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not a leader. And it's like, sir, you are
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the only one in denial about the fact that a
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: thing is a thing. Right now, everyone is calling you
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: a leader. You are effectively a leader. You're the one
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: being delusional claiming you're not a leader. Everyone else is
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: actually very feet to the ground, head screwed on straight,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: right about this.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Right, You've been leading literally.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Effectively two three months at this point, which is a
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: long time in book terms.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: M hm. And like everybody is sworn fieldy to you.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: You have queens who's worn fieldy to you. You're and like,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: despite your best efforts, your force keeps growing. Right, you
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: went into Malden and you came out with more troops
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: than you went in with. You have Oh my god,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: there's this moment where she's like, yeah, and all the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: guys shine suddenly want to fight for some fucking reason,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and all these people who've never picked up a spear
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: before find that they're incredibly talented at it. Right before
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the last battle. It's like you were building an army
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: unlike any other.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if I really breaks the fourth wall
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: pretty hard in an effort to try to speed this
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: plot along, and it still doesn't help.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: It's only it doesn't really help a bunch at all.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: And also, I guess my frustration is also like, at
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: no point does Paren's army become a deciding factor in
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the last battle. So it's like he does all of
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: this work and all of this like effort to get
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: these people together, and then they're just like another kind
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: of not very effective army during the force during the
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: last battle because they're mostly non channelers.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: They just do fighty stuff and that's not very interesting.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Like I think it does a good scene with Tam
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: where he's doing trollick slaughter, just like absolutely epic and
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: stuff like you know, infantry fighty stuff. There's only so
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: many pages we can spend on it.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like, oh, yes, the Two Rivers Force
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: is good with arrows, but then why why did he
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: need the white Cloaks. Why did he need to hang
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: out with the Shawan Chan, Why did he need Aleandra
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and the winged guards?
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Like, no, because they just fill in on stuff that
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: we don't look at because it's just backdrop. Paren brings
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the backdrop cast. They're necessary, but they don't get page time.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: So and I think that is one of the biggest
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: flaws of the Last Battle. Is as big and as
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: epic as it is, and it's big and epic, there
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: are so many armies in the two in the in
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the this world that just don't really get page time
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: or screen time or are shown to be effective in battle.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Well that's what you get when you try to get
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: half a continent's worth of people fighting in a single battle,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: you're gonna lose some focus.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, there's some detail that gets lost, for sure. Yeah,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And so they get we get broken down into these
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: big broad groups and then you only really see from
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: a minority of those big broad groups.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Well then you headcanon and fan fiction and all of
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: that to fill in the gaps based on what you
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: know going in.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, still could have written another three books about
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: this thing, Like the Last Battle itself could have been
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: like another three books seriously.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so we get a little check in with
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: some characters, right, we got Arganda and Gallien. They've they've
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: gotten over their honeymoon period in the relief of getting
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: their respective you know, in the relief of Malden's aftermath,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: and they're back to fighting, you know, like, which we've
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: never seen them not fighting, but you know, apparently, according
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: to Paren, there was a period where they weren't fighting.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Well because we have this sort of no more common enemy, right,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: there is this idea that they had this common enemy
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: in the Shidoh and the queen's were gone, and everybody
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: wanted their leaders back, and everyone reunited behind Parent to
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: get their leader back. But now we're in this situation
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: where the leaders are back and everyone's like, well, what
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: do we do now? Are we following Paren? Are we
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: you know, what's our goal? Shouldn't I be elevated over
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: those other people because I'm more important to Parent? Right
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: that level of just like internal fighting, And not to mention,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: you've got the whole thing with Berylaine and Fayel that
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: hasn't gotten worked out yet, shockingly, even though they worked
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: out before she got taken to Malden. Basically we have
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the added thing of everyone thinking Beryline slept with parent
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: or parents slept with Beryline entertain and that's leading to
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: all sorts of problems.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think they would have resolved that by now,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: but no, a classic book fashion, nothing has happened in
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: the intervening time, and now things will happen that the
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: focus of the narrator is back on the scene. So
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: what happens next is they connect with a scout that
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: was left behind from their baggage train that they sent
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: ahead ahead of Maldon. Right, Remember Parens sent Basil Gil
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: and everyone and all of the baggage forward to and
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Or in case Malden went badly, the baggage train and
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: the non combatants wouldn't be taken by the Shadow. So
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: they're looking for them on the road and they have
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: no come across a scout who was left behind to
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: tell them, Hey, the plan changed because of road conditions
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: and you got to turn left here. And that's all
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: very taberny. It guarantees the intersection with the White Cloaks,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: but you know it's important.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: No, that's that's been being manipulated by Grendall.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Oh right, that's not even Severian, Right, that's grand All.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: That's the trap, that's the t's I wonder if grand
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Doll's the one messing with his dreams. He mentions his
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: dreams being messy. Here again, I wonder if it's Grandall
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: instead of land Fear and Grendell's less in his head
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: because she doesn't know him as well, because she's manipulating
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: stuff in the real world. So I guess she's not
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: as dreamy of a person. The land Fear is really
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: the dream bitch.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: She's not. I think land Fear is in his dreams
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: while Grendall's fucking with his army.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Man getting assaulted by two forsaken at the same If
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: they're not working together, that's still a lot.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is we one hundred percent learned that,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Like the road conditions are totally fine, right, This was
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: absolutely just I forgot about that. This is the whole
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: trap set up by Grendall, and she wants the army
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: to be in the right place at the right time,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and it just happens to be where the white Cloaks are,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and like, yeah, there's all sorts of reasons why it
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't go off the way she plans, But them getting
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: this message and sending their supplies in the other direction
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: is one hundred percent Grendel trying to get his army
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: into place for the trap that's coming.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Good damn catch right past that. Every other read ever, because.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: It is it's like, wait, why are they Yeah, because
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it happens, but yeah, you you believe just like parent did.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I am not clever like grained Dolphin.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Well. The other thing I want to point out in
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: this chapter is that Paren has a blacksmith's puzzle that
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: he's constantly figuring that like, this is the hardest puzzle
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: he's ever encountered, and he's having a lot of trouble
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: pulling it apart, and like every time he encounters trouble
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: in the real world, he fingers the puzzle because he
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: hasn't figured out how to fix the puzzle that came
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: out of all then, And it's like, Okay, I know
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: it's not the ambulance seat seat, but it's just as blatant,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the blacksmith's puzzle.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: A blacksmith's puzzle for the blacksmith's puzzling.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Oh exactly.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cute, but it is a little on the nose.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: It's a really on the nose. It's just like, oh, okay,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and I don't think he ever Actually, I don't remember
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: him solving the puzzle at any point, or this coming
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: back up or being carried through. After this chapter it
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: comes up again.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I think he manages to make some progress on it.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe he just hucks it away at the end. I
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: don't remember. We should try to keep an eye out
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember what happens with this puzzle. That's
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: definitely something to look out for going forward. It's like,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: what's going on with this puzzle and is it something
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: that works as an analogy going forward?
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah? So then Paren goes through his laundry list of
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: once everyone goes away and does their job, then everything
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: can go back to the way it was. It's just like,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I'm really ready for you to stop thinking that that's
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: an option. You can never step in the same river twice. Okay,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: it's been a long time. You can't go back to
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: the way things.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: You can't go back. And like everyone else, everybody else
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: knows the last battle is coming. You're friends with the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Dragon Reborn. You know you have a role in the
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: last battle. What the fuck are you doing? Paren? Like
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: what the fuck, Like I'm this, Yeah, I really get
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: frustrated with this, Like you need an army for the
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: last battle. You have an army, Like why are you
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: trying to send these people home? Like you don't know that?
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Oh look the dark the sky's been dark for months
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: and we've and turned ultimate crazy black hm hm oh.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm friends with the dragon Reborn who's gonna be
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: at the last battle, and he is preparing for the
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: last battle. Hmmm, Like I just uh.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Better go home and bury my head in the sand
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: like a child.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Right, I get so frustrated, so frustrated with parent.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: In these sections, he regressed, He regressed really far, regressed
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: so hard, Like he needs to be like you know what,
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: I have been leading these people, yeah, and like it
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: just it doesn't need to be a struggle, and he
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: needs to be like I see what's coming out of Malden,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: I see the last battle coming.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be a leader, but I have
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Galad knows it. Goalad does it in like
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: two fucking seconds, Like two seconds.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: It's your duty, pick it up, run with it. I
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: don't need four more chapters about this.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's happening. And then we think about Messima. Right,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: there's there's the conclusion of we know that Paren knows
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: that Massima will not pop out of the woodwork to
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: haunt him found the body. He knows that Massima is
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: very super dead and that's not going to be an issue,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: and he's going to go report hiss quote unquote failure
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: to Rand and he's unsure how Rand will feel about it,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: and we know that Rand will go, eh, bummer movie.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's don't I really just wanted him to stop
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: killing people.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: That was all, like, I guess you accomplished the core
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: of the mission.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: It does seem. I always think it's kind of sad though,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: that you have all these people who were should have
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: been the people of the Dragon who would have supported Rand,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and just like got murdered taking Malden.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: The dark One really laughed about that one.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I know they were corrupted, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I know Messima, you know, has the mash at our corruption.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: You know that whatever you want to call it, and
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: that none of those people were any good that they had,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: you know, they smelled bad or whatever.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: So that Masha dart Wash whatever happened to him, in
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: the portal world and then whatever grand All infected him with, right.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Right, and that was infecting all of his followers. Right,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: So there's zero chance that we're ever gonna redeem those people.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: But they were cult people.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: They weren't evil exactly, right, Like I feel like there
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: should be Like I would have loved to see something
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: with aarm, where like aarm becomes an example and is
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: like leading all those people. When Massima dies and like
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: his and Parent wins him over and with that conversion
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: is able to win over a bunch more of the
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: dragon folk. Yeah, the dragon sworn exactly Like I would
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: love to see that redemption through aarm instead of what
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: felt like a fairly random, nonsensical death. And I get
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: that it kind of proves the point that Paren like
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't really doing his job, but like that makes me
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: feel bad. I want Paren to be doing his job.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Right, and then Paren uses that outlier of a failure
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: to justify falling down on the rest of his job
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: that he is, yeah, and competent at doing.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know I want some competency porn, right.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I want to see Parent being an incredibly good leader,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: incredibly competent bringing people together. And like really unifying these
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: forces before the last battle, and that's just not what
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: we get. And it kind of makes me sad. I
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: really think that there was a better opportunity to do
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: something interesting with Parent's plotline and with aarum and the
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: prophet and stuff like that. But you know, Robert Jordan
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: just didn't have a plan for him, right, there was
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: no notes about Paren.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Feyil is doing her best, right, she is
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: breaking the fourth wall. She is listing his accomplishments in
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: a sultruy voice because she does see competency porn. She
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: is saying that Maldon was good for their plot. Like,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: she is doing everything she can to drag this man forward,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: and it just doesn't work.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work because it's very much a talent show. Right,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: she's telling us how competent he was. We didn't. We're
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: not really seeing his competency in any way, shape or form.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: And it would I mean, he could be in the
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: occasion in working with what she's saying, but alas he
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: is just stubborn as a mule.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Two revers that's how we do it.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then as Paren is dealing with the very
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: strange concept that Maldon was good for Fayel. We have
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: an Adel coming up to say, hey, we found I
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: think white cloaks is what they're saying. You know, you
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: got to deal with the fact we see a white cloaks,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: but we cut over two said white cloaks with Gallad
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: And here is where we get to start issuing corrections
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: in this POV.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: A couple things about parent stuff to say he never
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: figured out why Aleandra had met with the prophet and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: probably never would. I feel like that's a meta line
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: where like Sanderson looked into it and was like, yeah,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: see why they were meeting Anora, Yeah.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah. Tying a bow on the fact that
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: there will never be a bow tide on it is like, ah,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: thank you for letting us know that that's going to
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: be annoying, and.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Like we have our theory. She thought she could redeem him,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: and it turns out she couldn't write like I think
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: that's what she eventually says, like I thought I could
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: redeem him. I can't. Moving on, but that doesn't explain
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: what Yeah, I don't like that explanation. Also about Missima,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: he was robbed, right, so like, oh, he was killed
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: by bandits.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was a deception on fight
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Iel and chow Fa Yelle's part.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Totally. They picked up five thousand people in the last
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: few weeks, so whatever they went into Malden with, they
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: came out with more, and then another five thousand, and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: then we end the POV with a messenger saying, up, Hey,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: this something ahead you want to see. Two chapters later,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: it turns out that's a patch of the blight has
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: gotten transported.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's what it is. It's not the White Cloaks.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: It's a bubble of area of effect evil. I don't know.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: The pattern is breaking down, and location doesn't matter as
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: much anymore. Right, we see things switch.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: The landscape is glitching. It's data mashing, like we've seen
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: that in the White Tower. We've seen it, Like hallways
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: are changing. And this is just a bigger version of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: the blight. And or you could say the blight spreading.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Is spreading in a non congruent manner. Yeh, spores are
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: drifting on the wind and lighting in new places.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: It's like patches of death and evil and stuff like that. Yeah,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: but yeah, this is not quite yet the White Cloaks.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: They have not encountered them yet.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, look, guys, I have not read these last three
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: books very many times. I've said it before, I will
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: say it again. I will not apologize. I will just
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: be wrong.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: No, these are We're definitely on a journey of discovery
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: for these last three books, more so than we were
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: with the rest of them. Although you know, I feel
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: like the podcast started out as a journey of discovery
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: and being like I want to talk about these books
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: because I don't know everything about them. Not that I
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: know everything about them and I want to impart it,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: but because there's a lot of mysteries I haven't figured out.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the lore up until these three books,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: and now I'm just like, still helpful for the read through,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: but research is important that right, Or I'm glad to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: know that you corrected that so we know where we're at.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: It. I mean again, I didn't until I was That's
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: why I was slipping through. I was like, I've got
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: my notes in here. I feel like I have some
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: things to say, and those notes did tell me what
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: that patch was. So yeah, next is the Gallet POV.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: The Gallt POV, and this is I feel like there's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: multiple corrections we have to make in this section because
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: like I thought it was days where he'd been tortured
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: before he got rescued out of this. No, it hasn't been.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: It's like literally just been a day and he's anticipating torture.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: And also we thought that trom and his cohort is
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: who rebelled and killed Osunawa, it's not.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: It's Austin as I think. I stated that like Asinowa's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: people were like participated in that, but it's not just participated.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: They did the whole thing.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: They initiated, they completed.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: They basically saw, you know, the person at the head
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: of their party was corrupt and doing things for his
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: own benefit rather than the good of the people, and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: rather than sticking the party politics, they went ahead and actually,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: you know, brought that person down now by killing him.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: But I mean, they are the white cloaks. That's kind
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: of their only response to anything. We have to stay
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: in the cannon.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they torture then kill.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, just saying the analogy can only go
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: so far without breaking cannon. But yeah, they looked at
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: what was patently and clearly false and they responded according
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: to reality instead of whatever their leader wanted them to think.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: And we have Gallad getting told that he, instead of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: being tortured to death, will be made the leader of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: what is left of the White Cloaks. But we start
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: with him in the tent kind of getting his bearings
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: and like again thinking about how like he still has
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: crusted blood on him and he's anticipating torture. Like I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: was totally wrong about the time that I thought this
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: was days. I literally thought this was days. It's ours, yeah,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: because I.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Think I was, Like, he goes to sleep and basically
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: up and in that time he's yeah, the things happen, yeah, exactly,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Like he wakes up going like, oh, yeah, no, you're
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: free now.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He literally passes out from the pain and when
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: he comes to, it's all over.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: It's all over. So he's cleaning himself with a strip
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: of cloth, which I'm always like, h I'm so grossed
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: out by that, Like cleaning yourself off with spit and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: a piece of canvas, Like spit is just the grossest
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: thing to clean yourself with, because.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Like I'm also like, this man is very dehydrated. I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: don't think he has that much spit to give.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: No, No, it's just very.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. He's encrusted with dirt and
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: blood like any moisture in a storm. But it's gross,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: and I do I roll my eyes. But I'm also
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: pleased at his thought. Her is naive thought. Of the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: one he was angry at was Astunaba, who took what
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: was true and muddied it. There were many who did
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: that in the world. But the children should be different,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, thank you for articulating the entire fallacy
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: of your belief system. Right right, The children aren't different.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: They never have been. You never should have joined them
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: based on their actual actions. It's but they have the world.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: There is no such thing as a perfect philosophy that
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: makes people good. People are good or bad in the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: communities that they are in. It has nothing to do
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: with the philosophy at the top, or very little to do.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: It has more to do with the incentive structure rather
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: than the philosophy. Like what are INCENTI people incentivized to do?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: And in the White Cloaks, they're incentivized to torture people
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: to prove that they're dark friends.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And Glad should have seen that.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Because you're trying to because every time you do you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: have like this victory where you're like, oh, yeah, I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: have taken down the dark friends. That makes me victorious.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: And it's like, actually, you've just killed a bunch of
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: innocent people and call them dark friends. But you're incentivized
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: to call them dark friends because then otherwise you're just
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: killing innocent people and an ineffective fighting force. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: where the ice and I have an actual like enforced
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: oaths that you have to follow.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he uses the cleaning as much to center
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: himself as kind of a meditation. Sure, else, I'll allow
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: it because you know, we need him to again prove
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: that he's got the mind of someone who could learn
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: to channel if he just wanted to.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: I think that I would have liked it if he'd
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: been left with a little bit of water that he
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: could like dip the cloth in, like a little bit
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: of drinking water.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a bucket of wash water kind of thing. Yeah,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: that would have been a lot more satisfying. The less Yeah,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: it gross. I kind of just skipped over everything. Yeah,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: spit like now now Lucky, Yes, lucky.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: And so you know he's he's like, my strategy work.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I'm victorious. I saved the lives of my people, even
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: though like I'm going to suffer for it like I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: want essentially is what he's thinking. And I can win
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: again by not giving in and claiming not to be dark. Friend,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: you know I will be killed as a man who
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: you know, proclaiming I am of the light the whole time.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Sort of what his thoughts are.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Right, He's like, I can stand here naked as a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: day was, but still be a man of honor who
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: knows that he will not break under torture. He's like
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: psyching himself up. He's standing straight, he's thinking about how
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: he's definitely not going to crack under torture. He is
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: gallotting as hard as he.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Can, totally totally because not because like he thinks he
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: can resist torture, but because it would be the wrong
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: thing to do to give into the torture. Right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: He will not lie. It's literally against his entire nature
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: to ever lie. So he knows that he's not going
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: And there's this moment here where he says his pains
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: were nothing now he felt insect bites that were worse,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I don't think so.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Him and Randon Agwain just like I don't feel my body?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: What body? No pain?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: That is sort of an interesting like part of the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: wheel of time philosophy, is this idea that you can
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: separate from your brain and like just not experience pain.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: And we've talked about it a lot with respect to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: like people in the real world and their chronic pain issues.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: But this is Galad dealing with a very acute pain issue.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: This is not chronic at all. It's just I think
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Robert Jordan had a specific relationship with pain and suffering,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: you know what, with the whole going through the military
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: and everything. I think he just, yeah, he knew how
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: to separate from a cute discomfort in a way that
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: he gives to all of his main characters.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Mmmm.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, his allies walk in and he goes,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: excuse me, did you just break your o's go back
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: out there and surrender to the men you just killed, right.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: It's like I told you not to fight, like we didn't.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: He's like, you turned your swords on fellow children. Like
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: he's so pissed off. At first, he wants to reject this,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: and they're like, nah, you kind of were so honorable.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: We had to do a murder and he's like, shit,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: that's like my entire life's ambition.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: It was wrong. What they were doing to him was wrong,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: like and that's for once, for once, the children believe
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: that when it happens to one of their own, right, you.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, when it comes after the golden Boy of
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: their own organization, then the lions too far. But all
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: the innocent women and children from other nations that were
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: killed beforehand, that wasn't a lie too.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Far, that's not a problem. Yeah, yeah, no, I have
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: some issues with the White Cloaks.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: One or two. Fortunately I think Robert Jordan meant for
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: them to be that, so it's all yes there will
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: don't have to be mad at Robert Jordan about this.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: He wrote them to beat this.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: The consequences. They killed about a third of the questioners.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: We have the We saw the amedicians who were a
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: good portion of the force, and they didn't interfere. They
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: want to be away from the shawn Chan, so they're
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: willing to join the White.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Cloaks, which like fair, I mean, an invading force versus
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: your own Homebrew militia. Yeah, I would probably a side
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: with the Homebrew militia better the devil, you know, right,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I guess, especially because Amadicia is extremely anti channeling and
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: the shawn Channer coming in with channelers like the calculus
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense for an infantry force like
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: these people represent.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I like the way you put that that there's this
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: sort of common anti channeling bend among the two of them,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: and that helps them.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, Amiditians are where the the white Cloaks are from, right,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Like they have a big cultural.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Open that's a good point that, okay, and white Cloaks
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: is kind of the same nation. So in a lot
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: of ways, O, Amiditians are like, yeah, we are. White
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Cloaks are Ameditians in a way they're not technically in.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: The face of a common enemy like the shan Chan,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: the differences are immaterial. We're all Amidesians, even the ones
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: who are you know, children from other nations like, nah,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: we we like you guys better than whoever these flame throwing,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: eyes to die wielding invaders are. And yeah, Galad the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: way parents should looks at the weight of men offering
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: their swords to him and says, I accept. Someone needs
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: to drive this train, and I know that I have
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: the capacity to drive it effectively. So that's what I'm
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: going to do even though I have a lot of
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: foster syndrome. I can't leave it up to just anyone.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: And then he is the leader from then on out.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: He doesn't question it, he doesn't second guess it. He
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't He.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Doesn't even make huge mistakes, aside from listening to some
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: of his subordinates a little too much in the face
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: of overwhelming evidence. But he doesn't make like massive casualty
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: event blunders.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: No, No, he does. Like the only thing he does
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: that he shouldn't is like basically declare a war against Paren,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and then he fortunately listens to parent well enough to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: get out of that.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Which in large part is because Paren saves him from
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: a dark friend trap or from a Trollek trap. That's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of what helps. But still, I mean, they
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: were setting up for battle. He was gonna make a
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: huge mistake, but he manages to not make a huge mistake.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna count that as an almost win. Yeah,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: And I like how he uses his faith and delight
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: to help protect him to he's like, you know what,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm ready, but the children have made
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: their decision, and the Light will have to protect them
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: for it. I'm like, that's a good approach and just
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: be like you know what, You're right, You've chosen me,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: and the dice have now been cast. Good luck with me.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: And he says we're marching to and Or. I assume
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: that's basically to join the battle, right, that's because that's
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: where he's like, I can get to Elaine, I can
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: join the battle. She will have me.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the idea.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: The idea is like she can tell me the where
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: to point the white Cloaks for the last battle because
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: she's the biggest kind of army nation. Yeah.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: He's basically anticipating her being the meta general that she's
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: going to be assigned to be later. He's almost anticipating that.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: He's like, well, Elaine is a good person to go
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: to if I don't know who else to talk to.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: She'll know how to handle the battle.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and she is. He found out that she
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: did rule and Or right, so she's a queen and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: she's my brother or sis, I'm her brother, right, So
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: of course, like, yeah, that's going to work.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The plan he had before joining up with these
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: guys still applies. Now. He just has many more swords
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: to come to bring to bear. But again, he's not
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: marching to and Or to invade. He's marching to Andor
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: to get marching orders in maybe even gateways up to
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: where the real battle is. So you know, he knows
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: that he can talk a lane down from freaking out totally.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: And he knows he has to work with Isidi, right,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: and he knows that like Elaine is a good way
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: to bring the White Cloaks, like and Or has a
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: history of being cooperative with the Isidi that in a
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: way that the White Cloaks don't. And he's like, but
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: I know I can negotiate with Elaine.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: And and Or, Yeah, they have diplomatic rapport.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly, exactly as much as she doesn't.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Like him, but he knows that like she will listen
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: to reason as queen totally with knowing who they are.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: He's like, I can make this work. And then you know,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: she's a lot more reasonable than anyone expected once he
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: actually shows up in the room.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Well, and especially you know, as he basically becomes part
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: of parents force and is negotiated that truce right, Like,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: he doesn't even negotiate for the White Cloaks. He negotiates
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: to be part of Parents Force and Parents Force negotiates
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: they're joining the last battle and they're like only allowed
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: to do it under parent Yeah.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but I mean it would have worked even
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: if he hadn't teamed up with PAREN, Like, it would
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: have worked. He would have been able to get his
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: army to the last battle effectively by going to a line.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he comes with PAREN, which makes it even
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: more efficient.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, and that's that's the two chapter
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: the opening two chapters.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah not that was like about an hour and a
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: half of chapter content.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: So glad we doubled those chapters up. That was a
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: good call.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: And it's looking, based on our pre view of the book,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: pretty much every chapter, at least in the first half
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: of the book is going to get doubled up.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Next week is the exception to that. We will be
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: doing the chapter next week, but then yeah, it's doubles
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: for like two months after that. But Duenko, you are
• 1:14:46
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• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: to start a rival podcast because that seems very counterproductive, but.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: You know it's sometimes we skip one just so like
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: the pairings work better, right, because it's like, if chapter
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: four five work really well together, then it's important to
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: do just to standalone chapter three so we can link
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: them up.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: And I promise you, guys, I've done enough editing to
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: know we really do run out of quality brain output
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: at about three hours, Like we really stopping it an
• 1:15:15
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• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: you get to three hours, we sound like drunk people
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: in terms of our logic, Like it's just it's not
• 1:15:23
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• 1:15:26
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have finished going through Dungeon Crawler Carl the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: book series. What's out so far? Which would be book seven?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I believe that's correct. Whatever, Yes, yeah, I think it's
• 1:17:05
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• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: way it has progressed beyond a game type RPG. Gotta say,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun, definitely worth reading. It gets a
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: little crazy, Like I have two criticisms with Dungeon Crawler Kral,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: I'll say I love it. Sometimes the battle scenes get
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: a little repetitive, right, because it's kind of like a
• 1:17:26
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• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: over and over again, and then it gets really complicated
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: really fast, and sometimes it's hard to keep track of
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: all the characters. And I don't even know if that's
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: a criticism so much as I need to go back
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: and reread it, and and I'm on my sort of
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: going back through it again. But it's worth it that,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: like after the first seven books, I'm going back through
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: and rereading it, and I'm sort of catching things and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: foreshadowing and stuff like that. There's there's some good work.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: I really really highly recommend the series if you're looking
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: for something that's it's a fun read that escalates, you know,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I'm putting it in the I don't want to call
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: it the Dresden Files, the Bob of Verse. These these
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: categories of books that are somewhat lighthearted or often told
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: from a first person perspective, from a dude who's just
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: trying to, you know, make things work as best they
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: can and getting along, you know, but then often has
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: a power progression or power creep as they get more
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Like Dresden gets more powerful Bob Averse as he spreads
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: you know, he destroys the fucking galaxy spoilers right, like
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: or solar system. He destroys a solar system, right. So
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: there's that level of like, Okay, there's some power creep
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: going on in these in these books, and but they're fun,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: light reads. They're a very different category than what I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: would call epic fantasy. You know, these like heroes journeys
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: where lots of characters because they are so focused on
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: the protagonist that one person who's telling the story from
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: an eye perspective, first person perspective, and yeah, I think
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: they're all you can get bored with them if you want,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: or you can engage with the characters. This kind of
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: you know, it reminds me a lot of old school
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: nineties television where you had twenty six episodes, like they're
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: not all good, right, but like if you care about
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: the characters, it's worth watching them.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: All right, right, right, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: As opposed to like we might have these new shows.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: We're all eight, you know, we have eight episodes and
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: they're all fucking you know, top notch, high octane, every
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: moment counts episodes. Yeah, but that can also be detrimental.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: It's a different approach. It's a very different approach. They're
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: not really equivalent. I know which one I prefer.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Lightlighted fool. I have not read The Frugal Wizard. I
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: think it's the only Sanderson book I haven't read because
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: it's not Cosmeer and so I never got around reading it.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: It's also a little harder to get a hold of because,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: like you know, epic fantasy is hard. It's hard to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: find good stuff, right, I'd say the last thing that
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: I liked, that I would classify as epic fantasy. Was
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: like Heinous trilogy that was really sort of this big
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: epic world, lots of characters, lots of plotlines, switching pobs,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I should read that sometime sometime sometimes.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Other news, my cat's still missing. I'm pretty upset about that.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Not much you can do at this point that we
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: haven't already done.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: That sucks every week we come back and I'm hoping
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: for a better update. That's a bummer. That puts it
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: three weeks now.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I want to say, it's only been two two as
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: of Sunday, so we're into the third week.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: It's just it's the uncertainty, I think, is what's really
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: rough about that. Did someone just snatch my cat and
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: it's living somewhere fine in somebody else's house. Did a
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: iote get him hit by a car somewhere and in
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: a couple of those scenarios you'll never find out. Yeah,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: and I did all the things you're supposed to do.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: We've done all the things you're supposed to do for cat.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: He's chipped, we put up posters, we've done the next
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: doors thing, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: So well, I promise y'all an update on my sewing
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: machine in contrast with the cat situation. And apparently you're
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: not supposed to take a sewing machine apart three different
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: sewing machines apart, intending to put them back together into
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: one sewing machine, assuming they're all the parts are interoperable,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: eight months before you decide to do the reassembly. According
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: to my mom's extensive research, this is not the correct
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: way to efficiently put the thing back together. So she's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: been slowly but surely troubleshooting her way into assembling this
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Davis vertical feed out of three different machines worth of
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: parts that because it's like they're spread out across like
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: forty years, so sometimes even screws that are meant to
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: be the same, there's enough drift over time in how
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: they were getting made that, like the thread patterns don't
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: line up if the machines are forty years apart in
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: their manufactured day, even though they're ostensibly the same. So
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: it's been a bit of a journey. But I've been
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: getting a lot of little fiddley projects done in my
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: sewing room while she works on that. We're just kind
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: of parallel playing while she you know, yells at the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: sewing machine and threatens to you know, can't be stuck
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: if it's liquid. There's a lot of restoration happening. But
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: she's getting there. She's getting there every work session. It
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: does move forward, just is taking a lot longer than
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: she thought.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: So that reminds me so much of my job because
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: I work in these microchip industry, but I work on
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: machines that were built, you know usually or at least
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: designed thirty years ago, and they've been buying new ones
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: ever since. But it's the same machine, and so you
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: think it's the same machine. It's going to have the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: same parts until you need to replace something and the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: new one you buy doesn't fit and it's like, well,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: it's the same part number it's always been. It's like, yeah,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: but you changed it somewhere.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: It changed Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, just the casting
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: that they made, the precision of what they were doing, right,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: because this is a machine from like the eighteen seventies, eighties.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Something like that, eighteen or nineteen eighteen, wholl okay, so
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty years.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this's an old Treuttle machine. So like the amount
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: of progression that they had in their ability to precisely
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: make things over like a forty year period, pretty radical
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: changes right from the oldest of these versions through the
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: newest one that she has that's from you know, like
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: nineteen ten or twenty right, Like there's a big range
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: of machine precision over that time. But it's you know,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: we're going along and I like have Like I said,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: I've made little tiny lacy curtains to put up in
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: my kitchen in the high windows. So there's just like
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: these cute little lacy curtains of them. Okayay, yeah, yeah,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: it's just little. The parallel play of working on stuff
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: together with her is great. And then we did a
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: great work session today for us to sew because we
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: had like email logins and other you know stuff to
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: do that was just easier to do in person to
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: just be there working on troubleshooting stuff together. And in
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: the course of that, I learned I can upload RSS
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: feeds to YouTube automatically, so now instead of having to
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: do the Watt spoilers episodes manually every week, where I
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: have to remember on Friday to like put all the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: stuff to get they're going to dobe Premiere Pro and
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: export it manually. I can just have the RSS feed
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: from spreaker, just trigger a whole thing with YouTube and
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: just have it be all connected and we'll just be automatic.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: And I'm so jazzed. This is going to actually save
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: me a lot of time per week and add way
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: more reach to all my podcasts. Because I didn't know
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: that was an option. I learned it was an option.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: So for the forty of you, and we see it's
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: pretty much almost always about forty people that are listening
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: on YouTube, this should be you shouldn't have any more
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: delays on the episodes. Although you won't get the pretty pictures.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: You won't get the pretty picture. You will still have
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: to go back to our You'll have to go back
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: to our social media for that for sure. But yeah,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: it will be precisely on time every week, So look
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: forward to that.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Except I'm sure like the first two weeks when it'll
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: break horribly because technology is the thing.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean there is that factor, but you know,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: mercury retrograde ended yesterday, so we're good.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Other than that, I think I spent this weekend
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: hanging shelves. I bought a bunch of shelving for the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: house in various locations that needed it, laundry room, the bathroom,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: some other places that I can't remember right now. And
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: we got and we got a real mattress for our
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: guest bed. We had an inflatable one that we were
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: like it was co playing as our guest bed slash
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: camping mattress. Now it's just a camping mattress and we
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: have a real mattress for the guestbed.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: So nice.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: You know, nesting, I've been nesting. It's been fun. It's
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: nice too. Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: So what we did over the weekend was we went
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: up to the Selett's pow Wow in Selet's, Oregon, the
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: niska Ilahi pow Wow, And that was really cool. I'd
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: never been to a pow wow before. And we were
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: only there for like four hours because it was a
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: long drive. It's a long day overall, but it was
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: really cool. It was really cool sitting on the ground
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: while all those drums were going and all the regalia
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: is just so pretty.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: And so what does a powow involve? I don't know
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: anything about.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Lots of dancing, lots of dancing. It's on the like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I guess this one. A lot of competitive dancers come
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: to it. So there's like a big central circle and
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: everything is set up around the central circle and only
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: the dancers and the drums, and a drum means a
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: group of musicians who all play the same drum. It's
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: like band. So only the drums and the dancers go
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: into the circle. And yeah, there's a grand entry a
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: couple of times where they all process through, and then
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: there's like what they call intertribal dances where anyone can
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: just kind of go do whatever. And then they have
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: like actual divisions like little kids, Like we saw the
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: little kids. We saw the little kids doing their practice divisions.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: And they go out there and they do like two dances,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: I think, and they're just wearing all these beautiful jingle
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: dresses and feather head dresses, and they have fans made
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: out of turkey feathers and just really elaborate regalia. Some
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: of it's obviously very old and like family heirloom stuff,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: and some of it's obviously made much more recently. Everyone jingles.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Everyone's wearing sleigh bells and jingle bells and these rattles
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: and just the smellscape and the soundscape was so different
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: from any other like gathering, summer party, street fair market
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: I've ever been to. It was a lot of the same,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: like pop up tends and curls of smoke from the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: food vendors and you know, trays of earrings you can buy.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: But also it all just smelled and sounded different.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: So what makes it a powow versus just like a
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: festival or like.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: The tribes are doing it? Okay, this is an actual
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: tribal event, like we were very much in the racial
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: minority as white people, Like, it's open to non natives.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: Non natives are welcome to come. It's a front facing
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: cultural event, but it is a cultural event of the
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: confederated tribes of the Sallettes. And like I said, a
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: lot of dancers come from like all over.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: I was concerned that it wasn't a tribal event, and
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, hmmm.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: No, no, this is like an actual, real tribal event.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: And my mom was pointing out you could see in
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: the beadwork designs that are like from the Great Lakes
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: region or whatever, like you could tell just from looking
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: at the regalia there are people from all over who
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: have come for the competitive dancing because it's like a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: three day event. And yeah, I bought some earrings and necklace,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: and we had some food. I didn't really have very
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: much food because my food was timed weird for the
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: day and do you know me and.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Travel and food, Yeah, it doesn't happen.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: But Brandon had some food and it all just smelled
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: so different, and there was lots of sage burning, and
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: there was like booths full of tanned animal furs and hides,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: and it was just and like seriously mostly Native people,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: like it was mostly Native. We were very much like
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: these weird white people outsiders, just kind of like politely
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: hanging out on the back edge, being like, wow, this
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: is so cool. My mom knew some people who were there,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: but it was a much bigger powwow than she had
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: ever been to before, because she'd been many times to
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: many other powows, which she was like, this is the
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: biggest one I've ever been to. And so we did
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: not find her friends, who's ostensibly had a booth somewhere
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: in all of that, right, right, But yeah, they had
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: a great like shuttle system. So we went into Selects,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: which is a reservation town. Like the whole thing is
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: selects tribal space as far as I know, and like
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: we just parked at the school and then went to
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: a little stop and then a shuttle came by and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: took everyone up the hill and so it was a
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: shuttle running like every fifteen minutes, so you could get
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: taken up to the event space and not have to
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: deal with like crowded parking. Like our actual parking was
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: very chill. But yeah, it was really beautiful and you know,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: nice of them to let that be a front facing,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: public facing tribal event, and you know, lots of stuff
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't understand, and lots of people who obviously knew
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: each other very well, and you know, it was like
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: we were very much like tourists. But like I mean,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: I was reading on like all the Reddit forums, like
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: how to politely go to a pow wow and like
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: not be disrespectful and like because there's rules, right, like
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: you can't take pictures of people without they're permission, and
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: like pointing is rude, and like there's all these little
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: things and.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like some of those should be you know,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Respect for elders. A lot of the rules made me cringe.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: With the knowledge of the events that precipitated the rules
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: needing to get me, and it goes looking at different
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: tribal websites where like they had very specific rules about
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: like you can't just wander across the central dance space
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: like it's a beer garden. That's actually like sacred space.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like wow, just the some of these
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: rules seem like common sense, some of them seem like
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: event logistics, and some of them seem like dear God,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: can white people please not be the worst? Like, oh
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: my god, this should not need to stated, Like fuck. Yeah.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: It was just a really cool sense of like we
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: literally went to another nation. We went like touristing in
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: another nation, and like did the thing, and it was
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: it was a cool way to spend a Saturday.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: I think that the the presence of Native Americans in
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: the United States is something that in the East Coast
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: I was very separated from, and it's much more common
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: out here on the West coast because there is a presence, right.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Like it's a much more recent colonization.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah now, and just how much that like I kind
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: of grew up with the idea that there were no
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Native Americans left, like never seen one, never met one,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: until I came out here, you know, it was this whole.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, and they exist on the East coast, but.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very small enclaves compared to what's what's going
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: on out here, and with very few resources.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: I would not bet money on that. I would not
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: bet money.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: On that compared to what's out here, I would.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Not bet money on that. There's a concerted effort to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: make sure that we don't know what the fuck we're
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: talking about when it comes to the indigenous population of
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: this country. So I'm just gonna not make strong claims
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: about anything fair. Yeah, it was. And now that I've
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: liked one powipp page on Facebook, now I'm being informed
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: of the like seventy five other ones that are happening
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: within a three hour drive of me. There's a lot
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: out here. There's a lot out here, and it's it's
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: pow wow season because summer.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and people are saying there's there's a there's a
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: large presence in the Midwest, and that I was aware
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: of as well, but uh Man, East Coast and south.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: It's complicated everywhere. Yeah, our ignorance is a really important
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: part of how the powers that be keep exploiting the
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: land and ruining the planet for everyone? Is us being
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: ignorant of all that?
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: That's a universal well us ignorant?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, our ignorance is really important for them to
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: maintain power.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: Actually, right, yeah, which you know, right now, I'm sort
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: of buried in a flood of information that keeps me ignorant,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: which is kind of a crazy way to think about it.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the Internet had this moment of feeling so
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: hopeful and now it's like the worst tool.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really do. I really feel like it's
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: just when I get onto Google, like I can't find
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: anything I'm looking for that's not sponsored ads, like even
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: just simple Like I hate to say this, but like
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: they've kind of shut down effective pirate and maybe I'm
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: just not a teenager anymore, so I don't have to
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: know how to affect pirate anymore. But like, I really
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: do feel like there's this this moment in the Internet
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: where it's like it used to be open and free
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: and they couldn't stop anything, and now it's like, oh yeah,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: but except now the people in England needed their IDs
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: to look at, you know, any sort of adult website
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: and it's like wait, what, how how is that a thing?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: It's a mess, you know.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: And it's just an example. You know, it's just a mess.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: It's just a huge mess of like control. And you know,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: some people are like, well, we need the regulation, and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: We need different regulations than this puritanical controlling stace.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: I'm just we need the regulations that nerds have been
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: asking for since the mid nineties that we just can't
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: be bothered to get around to. Those are the regulations
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: we need, not whatever. This fucking just.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Like do you want to accept cookies? Yes? Or no?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: On every fucking website that pops up.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, wiretap, how do I make pancakes? You've seen
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: that comic. Used to be Oh no, there's a wire
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: tap in the wall. Now it's hey, wiretap, how do
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: I make pancakes?
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: That is so true. I resisted Alexa for so long,
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  Speaker 1: and now I can't turn my lights on without her.
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  Speaker 2: I will continue to resist voice command technology until it
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  Speaker 2: is as cool as Star Trek and literally talks to
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  Speaker 2: me in the Star Trek lady's voice.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, the ability to say good night Alexa
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  Speaker 1: and have every single light in my house turn off
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  Speaker 1: is really convenient. At the end of the night and
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: also then have them all like on a schedule and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. The only thing I did was link
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  Speaker 1: the smart light lights to Alexa, So I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: have an app that I can use, but I can
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  Speaker 1: also verbally.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't want to talk to my computer.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: That just yeah, yeah, it mostly sucks.
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  Speaker 2: Not until it is literally the Star Trek lady talking
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  Speaker 2: back to me with the level of intelligence and creativity
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  Speaker 2: that Star Trek computers had, Like not until then.
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  Speaker 1: I do like the fact that you can change the
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  Speaker 1: keyword and you can change it to computer if you
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  Speaker 1: want to, so you can be like computer, just like.
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  Speaker 2: I do appreciate that. I do appreciate that. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad for everyone who that is the line that
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: allowed awesome to cross over it will not be me.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Anyway, is that these are totally random thoughts about life
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: and the Internet that just don't matter to anybody who
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: cares about Wheel of Time.
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  Speaker 2: Do we want to talk about things that matter to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: people who care about Wheel of Time?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about apples.
• 1:35:21
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