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25W: Bobby's Geek Out Interviews of the Year (Part 1: Colin Cowherd, Marcellus Wiley, Jay Glazer) · 25 Whistles with Bobby Bones (A Football Podcast)

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  Speaker 1: This is a podcast called twenty five whist talking fun
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  Speaker 1: it is holiday season and we are around, but I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to take this time to actually highlight some of
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  Speaker 1: the really cool stuff we've been able to do this year.
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  Speaker 1: So it's talking to awesome people that I never thought
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  Speaker 1: I would get to interview because well, we weren't doing
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  Speaker 1: a sports show. But here we go. Let's do this week.
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  Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd, Jay Glazer and Marcelli's Wiley. All three had
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  Speaker 1: a very different journey in their career, with Marcelli's playing
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL to j and Colin cover in the
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  Speaker 1: league for decades on different spectrums, but again, all three
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  Speaker 1: have had a very unique journey to success. So this
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  Speaker 1: one was super cool. All of them are. But first
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  Speaker 1: up is Colin Cowherd. I wanted to find out how
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  Speaker 1: Colin went from a small town in Washington to really
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  Speaker 1: one of the biggest faces and voices on sports radio
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  Speaker 1: and television. So Colin and I discussed there were some
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  Speaker 1: of the first people that doubted him, how divorce left
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  Speaker 1: him poor, and who instilled dreams into him, and a
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch more. I hope you enjoyed this interview because
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  Speaker 1: I did. And check out twenty five whistles. If you're
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  Speaker 1: here by any other way, then the feed all right,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, Hey, Colin. First off, just been a massive
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  Speaker 1: fan for I'm just gonna start with this and we'll
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  Speaker 1: move to the real stuff. But for like fifteen years,
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  Speaker 1: like die hard massive fans, So to be able to
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  Speaker 1: sit and talk with you for just a few minutes, like,
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  Speaker 1: it's a real thrill for me. So thank you. Oh
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  Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, your careers exploded. It's just amazing. They're
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  Speaker 1: really behind you at the company. I think it's great.
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  Speaker 1: So what I'm curious at how other people do their
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  Speaker 1: creative endeavors and before, because I do want to go
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  Speaker 1: back to when you were a kid. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to know what your day is like. Meaning I watch
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  Speaker 1: a show and I DVR it, so I do get
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  Speaker 1: to watch or I'll hit the podcast. It's I see
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  Speaker 1: and I hear, but people don't see the behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes stuff. What how do you get into the daytime?
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  Speaker 1: And how many people do you sit with before show
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  Speaker 1: and go over ideas or segments? Get up at about
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  Speaker 1: five forty. Uh, leave my house at about six there
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  Speaker 1: at six fifteen, put the contacts in, walk upstairs, and
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  Speaker 1: it's about an hour and a half. Process used to
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  Speaker 1: be about two hours. But we've got a really good crew.
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  Speaker 1: I would say there are nine people in the room. Um,
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  Speaker 1: they've got about ten stories laid out for me. I
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  Speaker 1: picked probably four, Um, and then they just keep throwing
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  Speaker 1: ideas at me. I usually come in with something to
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  Speaker 1: say on one or two. I have kind of a
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  Speaker 1: worldview on how I view each story. And then I
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  Speaker 1: just like them to pitch ideas and funny lines and
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  Speaker 1: argue and anyway we can sand paper it to get
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  Speaker 1: the most interesting take. Um. You know, I tell young
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  Speaker 1: broadcasters all the time, don't be consumed with being right.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be great to be right, but be interesting. Find
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  Speaker 1: the most interesting angle on something. And Uh, that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're already strived for. Just and I've done it long
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  Speaker 1: enough Bobby where I can kind of sense like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard anybody say that on that story. And I,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I'm always hoping to be right. But
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  Speaker 1: what I think is you're probably curious. I think I'm curious.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking for angles on stuff, and I like the
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  Speaker 1: the why better than the what, Like why is this happening?
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  Speaker 1: I can see what is happening. I think sports talk
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  Speaker 1: show host tell me what I see. I like to
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  Speaker 1: be the one percent that says, this is why you're
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  Speaker 1: seeing it. And you know, a lot of times I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: my theory is wrong, but I think a lot of times, um,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're always seeking, kind of the why why
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  Speaker 1: something is happening. You know, it sounds to me when
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  Speaker 1: you describe what you do there's still a passion in
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  Speaker 1: your voice about what you do and to be doing
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  Speaker 1: it at such a high level for so long to
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  Speaker 1: still have that passion, Like what is it what happened
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  Speaker 1: in your childhood? With me, it was just growing up
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  Speaker 1: a food stamp kid and a welfare kid. But what
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  Speaker 1: is it for you that keeps you just driven towards
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  Speaker 1: this the success really that no one else has had
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  Speaker 1: like you've had it well, you know, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: had all the things necessary, probably a childhood divorce, high
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  Speaker 1: school acne, girls not dating me. Um, the divorce left
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  Speaker 1: me very poor. UM. Always felt loved, but kind of
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  Speaker 1: a reluctant. My mom was sort of British, UM, doting
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  Speaker 1: son of protective UM. You know, dad was a really
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  Speaker 1: decent guy. UM, small town doctor, but very career driven. UM.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I felt ignored and wanted people to pay attention
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  Speaker 1: to me. I knew what I wanted to do at
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  Speaker 1: a very early age, but I also felt um. And
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  Speaker 1: it's not sad, but I felt I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: on my own. Like it's not that my parents weren't
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  Speaker 1: there for me. I mean, you know, I never or
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  Speaker 1: felt never verbal abuse or I wasn't loved, none of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff, but I always kind of felt, um. My
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  Speaker 1: dad was a workaholic, my mom was British, didn't really
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  Speaker 1: wasn't going to help me a lot in my career,
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  Speaker 1: and so I always felt sort of um. And the
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  Speaker 1: word escapes me. I would say, if I needed to
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  Speaker 1: be self reliant and if and if I didn't succeed,
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  Speaker 1: then I wouldn't succeed if I didn't make my own
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  Speaker 1: pass um. And you know I tell my kids this
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  Speaker 1: all the time, is that I don't I want to
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  Speaker 1: raise you, so at twenty years old, you don't need
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  Speaker 1: me anymore. Like That's kind of how I was raised.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that kind of fight and that survival
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  Speaker 1: mechanism has been really powerful for me. So, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I definitely child of divorce, a sister that was five
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  Speaker 1: and a half six years older. So but time I
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  Speaker 1: was in high school, she was out. Um, you know
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  Speaker 1: we weren't close. No, No eighteen year old girl wants
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  Speaker 1: to hang around a twelve and a half year old boy, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so I and I lived. It was rural, so
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have this wide social net of friends. I
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  Speaker 1: mean every house was you know, always away, so you
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  Speaker 1: kind of had to make up your own fund. And
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  Speaker 1: I would make up batting lineups on a piece of
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  Speaker 1: paper and do the play by play, and play whiffleball
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  Speaker 1: by myself, and and and play basketball sometimes by myself,
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  Speaker 1: and shoot baskets. And you know, I was a laker.
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  Speaker 1: It's jabbar over to this player, over to that player
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  Speaker 1: eighteen foot are good? Talk to myself? Still do a
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  Speaker 1: lot um so that independence, self reliance still kind of
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  Speaker 1: you know, it thrives in me today. You know, rural.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I describe where I'm from. I'm from a
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  Speaker 1: small town in Arkansas, like seven dred people, and there
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  Speaker 1: was nobody to tell me that I couldn't do anything.
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  Speaker 1: But nobody actually knew you could outside of where you lived.
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  Speaker 1: There was a mill. It's a saw mill town, and
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  Speaker 1: so they weren't saying you can't go and do a
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  Speaker 1: TV show or a big radio show, but they definitely
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  Speaker 1: weren't saying I could. And the same thing about you,
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  Speaker 1: like who told who put it in you? Who instilled
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  Speaker 1: in knew that there were these dreams that no one
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  Speaker 1: around you had actually reached out in touch, but that
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  Speaker 1: you could do it. Um, that's a good question. I
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  Speaker 1: think that is a good question who instilled these dreams?
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  Speaker 1: I think I always felt like an underdog, Like when
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  Speaker 1: I went to college, Um, I always had that chip
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  Speaker 1: on my shoulder. Nobody thought I could do it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have a lot of money. I
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  Speaker 1: had to work while I went to school. And I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a survival thing. I think I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if anybody told me I could or couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember my mom when I was about thirteen
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  Speaker 1: years old, twelve or thirteen years old, telling me one
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  Speaker 1: day I was reading the paper. She goes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you just can't read the sports section. That just can't
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  Speaker 1: be it. And I said, yeah, it can't. I am
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  Speaker 1: gonna work in sports. I am going to work in sports,
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  Speaker 1: and I know it, and I just I just at
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  Speaker 1: a very early age, you know, a quarterback my high
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  Speaker 1: school team. I was a little taller than some guys,
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  Speaker 1: a little more athletic. I always said, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: dated like a cheerleader. I always had kind of even
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  Speaker 1: though I was kind of goofy, I kind of had
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  Speaker 1: this confidence about me. And and uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: can remember when I was, you know, seventeen to seven,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I was in Vegas. I remember, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I would date women, are go on dates, and they'll
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  Speaker 1: be like, man, you're you are driven, like you you
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  Speaker 1: just you are. They're like, you know, you'd be impossible
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  Speaker 1: to marry, like you're married to your career. And I
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  Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, it's great. It's a great career.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great life, you know, and then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, you have kids, I get married, it's thirties.
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  Speaker 1: But I think I think, um, Bobby, I just think
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  Speaker 1: I was so driven and that comes from loneliness and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just sort of this small town underdog, underdog mentality,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's just always been in me. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it was engineered by anybody. I don't
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  Speaker 1: if it was, I don't remember it, um, but I
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  Speaker 1: always knew. I can remember when I was young, just
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  Speaker 1: thinking I had no doubt in my mind I was
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  Speaker 1: going to be like a network sportscaster. It never And
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  Speaker 1: when I went to college and people didn't care as
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  Speaker 1: much as I did, I remember thinking, this is my competition.
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  Speaker 1: And then I went to Vegas and got a job
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  Speaker 1: and the people I worked with didn't care as much
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  Speaker 1: as I did. So every step of the way, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, man, I am really into this, and other
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  Speaker 1: people think it's just the job. And so every market
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  Speaker 1: I went to, it was like, man, they just don't
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  Speaker 1: love it like I do. They don't think about it,
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  Speaker 1: they don't dream about it, they don't plan for it,
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  Speaker 1: they don't construct their day around it. So I just
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  Speaker 1: I kept being reminded how much I loved it, and
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  Speaker 1: if I worked HAWRD, how I could get there, and
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  Speaker 1: it was just step after step after step after step,
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  Speaker 1: and that passion, that confidence just grew as I'd be
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  Speaker 1: I join clubs or stations or radio stations or TV stations,
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  Speaker 1: and I could just tell it was a job for
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  Speaker 1: people and it was more of a mission for me.
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  Speaker 1: I talked to my therapist a lot about balance, because I,
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  Speaker 1: like you, have just been consumed with me having this
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  Speaker 1: humongous chip, probably much bigger than I should have, but
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  Speaker 1: in trying to prove people wrong, and I trying to
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  Speaker 1: prove people right, Like I'm at the point of my
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  Speaker 1: career where is I go. Okay, I'm gonna prove these
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  Speaker 1: folks right who have invested in me. And I've done
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  Speaker 1: pretty good sin on the old therapist couch, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: married now for the first time. I didn't get married
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  Speaker 1: tops forty years old. And balance is a struggle because
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  Speaker 1: I have been so consumed with what I do, which
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  Speaker 1: was my job. How in the world do you reach
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  Speaker 1: the level that you've reached and still achieve any sort
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  Speaker 1: of balance. Well, I've I've had some balance, Bobby. What
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  Speaker 1: I really try to do, and it's not always easy,
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  Speaker 1: is live very much in the moment, is that when
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  Speaker 1: I'm around my life or my kids, I really live
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  Speaker 1: in the moment. I just this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: what I do. I went to Rome with my wife,
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  Speaker 1: I went to Italy for a week and just put
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  Speaker 1: the phone down. Or I go to Turks and Kikos,
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  Speaker 1: take pictures, put the phone down. So try to live
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  Speaker 1: in the moment when I have these opportunities. Um, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a struggle. You know. I said this
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  Speaker 1: once to a therapist. I think I wrote about this
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  Speaker 1: once in my first book. I said, Um, you know
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  Speaker 1: when they there's a lot of things that make people happy.
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  Speaker 1: If you googled what makes people happy, they would say, um, animals, um, giving, um,
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  Speaker 1: good friends. You know what? They never say balance? Peyton
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  Speaker 1: Manning wasn't balanced? I mean, was was Michael Jordan balanced?
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  Speaker 1: I think balance? I think it's a little overrated. You
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  Speaker 1: know what. I'd rather be wildly passionate about my wife,
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  Speaker 1: about my job, about my the volume. Um. I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm really passionate. And as I've gotten older, I've pruned
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  Speaker 1: my tree like that doesn't matter, that doesn't matter, that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But I don't think balance has ever made
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  Speaker 1: me happy. I mean, do you tell me. Are you
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy today? Are you happy? Yeah? I'm happy because
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  Speaker 1: I'm at the place now where like all that I've
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  Speaker 1: been working for forever is finally coming to fruition, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like I've really just in the TV world and the
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  Speaker 1: radio world and the It's like I'm finally getting the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to pick what I want to do instead of
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  Speaker 1: I get to say no to things. Like how cool
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  Speaker 1: is that? I know I've never got to say no
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  Speaker 1: to things before, like real things, and I get to
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  Speaker 1: say no. And it's a weird thing too, but that
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  Speaker 1: to me, I told my wife because she has a
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  Speaker 1: great family, and to her family has always been a
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  Speaker 1: bit but I didn't have a dad, don't have mom,
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  Speaker 1: and so I've just had my career and so now
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  Speaker 1: I'm you know, you're trying to figure I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out, like how in the world do I bout?
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  Speaker 1: And balance doesn't meant but how in the world do
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  Speaker 1: I balanced this at all? And I look at someone
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  Speaker 1: like you who's able to crush it professionally, and I
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  Speaker 1: hear you talk about your wife and even your kids,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, dang, how does he do that? So
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  Speaker 1: I guess if anything I'll send you a bill for
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  Speaker 1: this therapy session is over. But but you know, you
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  Speaker 1: know who never seems happy to me? Ski bum poet,
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  Speaker 1: web designer, part time artist. A million things. They're not
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  Speaker 1: a mile deep on any of them. If you're if
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  Speaker 1: you're totally invested in your wife and totally invested in
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  Speaker 1: your career, and then you have a really great charity
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  Speaker 1: and then you have a couple of kids, what a
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  Speaker 1: life or do you have when you're into those I mean,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: balance is one of those sort of like ethereal, sort
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  Speaker 1: of nebulous things. It's like, I live a balance life. No,
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  Speaker 1: I sleep for seven, I work for six. I nap
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  Speaker 1: and listen to music for one. I work out for one,
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  Speaker 1: I eat for two. I'm into all of those things.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm doing them, I don't sit around worrying about balance.
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  Speaker 1: What I worry about is enjoying the time I have
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  Speaker 1: in the moment doing what I'm doing, and if it
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  Speaker 1: comes out as balance. But there are some days I
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  Speaker 1: don't do much work. Uh you know, once the football
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  Speaker 1: season ends, I get three day weekends. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: think about work. So and then there are other times
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  Speaker 1: during the football season I'm you know, my Sundays are
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  Speaker 1: a work day. So I think sometimes people it's like
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  Speaker 1: FOMO fear of missing out. There's this fear of lacking
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  Speaker 1: balance will create a new f o LB fear of
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  Speaker 1: lacking balance. I don't think that many people have balance,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think perfect balance makes anybody happy. Let's
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: go back to a job that you had early on
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  Speaker 1: that at the time seemed tough, but you look back
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, dang, I actually learned a lot there.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I did play by play the home games
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  Speaker 1: that I played, they played for for division to Henderson
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  Speaker 1: State University, and then on the road had to do
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: play by playing color because we couldn't afford to send
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: two people out in the crew, and that was it
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  Speaker 1: was really hard. But I look back and I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 1: I really learned a whole lot there in Hot Springs,
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  Speaker 1: Arkansas doing radio show. I learned a whole lot because
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I had to do everything. When you look back at
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  Speaker 1: your career, what was that job or a couple of
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  Speaker 1: jobs for you where really difficult, but you're so thankful
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  Speaker 1: you had on because of everything that you you developed. Well,
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  Speaker 1: my first job out of college was really doing an
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  Speaker 1: inning of play by play for Las Vegas. You say
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  Speaker 1: an inning, I did it, just an inning that I
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  Speaker 1: had to sell, and they would give me one inning
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  Speaker 1: of play by play. Iff I I was like two,
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  Speaker 1: So the guys around me were like thirty eight forty.
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  Speaker 1: They would have been doing it for years. They probably
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  Speaker 1: resented me. And it was hard because I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be on the air more. Um, So I had to
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  Speaker 1: do sales all day and then I would do prep
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  Speaker 1: and then I would do an inning and save my tapes.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean my my. I spent like seven eight
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  Speaker 1: years in Vegas, a couple of sales, a couple doing
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  Speaker 1: an inning, then a TV station hired me. Vegas was
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  Speaker 1: a grind. It took years off my life. UM, it
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  Speaker 1: was really really hard. I didn't have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: money for probably the first five six years child to divorce,
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  Speaker 1: so I went into the city broke. I was broke
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  Speaker 1: from about five or six years, I mean had no money, um,
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  Speaker 1: and was working NonStop ending of play by play, doing sales,
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  Speaker 1: and a local TV station hired me. I didn't internship
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  Speaker 1: turned into a weekend sports job. UM. But I will
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: tell you this, UM, I needed other people and there
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: were a lot of beer and chicken wing nights with
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: TV people and radio people. And as you and I
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: get more successful, I think we'll just sort of naturally
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: have fortresses around us. Right. You have the agent, you
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: have the bosses, and you don't deal with the day
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: to day because you're gonna start. You're making so much
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: money for the company now, and hopefully I am that.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: You know, we are two of the people at the
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: company that are you know, business is thriving, and so
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: this is where I wanted to be. But those journey
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: years for me, I have such good memories, all the mistakes,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: all the dollar chicken wings. Um, I was a more
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: social animal then. I'm probably less social now because it's
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: more about family and business. So those years I have
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: very six seven years, very fond Vegas memories. The Mob
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: was still in Vegas then it was it was a
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: different town than it's very corporate now. I feel like
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I got to see the old it was transitioning old Vegas,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: like the movie Casino, you know, that was just ending.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And then I went to Vegas and it was starting
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: with instead of like a guy owning a casino, it
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: was the Hilton, it was the MGM, it was you know,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: so I felt like I was in a transition stage
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: in Vegas, and I feel so lucky that I lived
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: through that. I got on a Southwest flight once and
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Barry Switzer was on the flight, and I was like, dang,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: this is crazy. Barry Switzer, who's from Arkansas near where
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I'm from, obviously coached Oklahoma with cowboys, but he's he's
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: an Arkansas guy like me, and I flipped out. And
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I think we're both probably pretty jaded now when it
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: comes to celebrities, because we know they just happened to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: have a skill that culturally we deem a little cooler
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: than the rest. It just so happens their skill as
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: dean cooler. And so at this point I don't get
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: star struck by many folks, and I would assume it's
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: the same for you. But who have you met in
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the last few years where you're just like, this is
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: so freaking cool. I get to meet and talk with you. Well,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I'm always amazed. A lot of people watch sports shows
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: or see my clips, and I think that the funniest
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: story was, uh, I was phili Keith Overman had a
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: show on ESPN years ago, and he took a couple
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: of days off, and so they called me and said
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: would you do Keith Show? It was a TV show
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: in a New York setting, So I drove to New
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: York day the night and I did the show for
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: a couple of days. And he doesn't like college football much,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: so they said, hey, we want to put some college
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: football in the show. Uh, let's condo. Lisa Rice is
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: a big fan of college football. I was like, awesome, um,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and so I pre taped the interview with Conda Lisa Rice.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Right that you put into the show and it looks
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: live and you tape it for twelve fifteen minutes. You
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: use eleven of unit ten of it and so like
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: here we can see other on a screen and I'm like, um,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: two one, And all of a sudden, I hear this
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the herd and I'm like, I'm like, she goes, Oh,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I listen to you every morning on the treadmill, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, um, you're running the country. Stop that that.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Stop that right now, don't do that. And we sat
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and talked about things for about ten minutes, and that
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: was like one of those this is really really cool,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Um that that's one that really jumps out to me.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And then I've had, um. You know something I like?
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Um this football season, I've been interviewing Sean Payton, Saints coach,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: for thirty minutes on Mondays and he comes into the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: studio and we talked before he goes on the air,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: then during it, and off and after, and I'm still
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: a kid. I'm so fascinated by how his mind works
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: about football. I that is my happy zone, talking football
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: with one of the five smartest offensive guys ever. And
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: he's telling me stuff on the air then off the air, Bobby,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: That to me is that will never I could be
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: ninety that I've had these conversations with Jimmy Johnson off
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the air in the green room when I used to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: do the Sunday show for Fox, and I would just
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: pepper him with questions and Bobby would tell me the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: hurricane days and the Dan Marino stories and the Dallas
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: stuff that you can't say on the air. That to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: me is when I'm just jaw dropping in awe of
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of what I do for a living. I'm like nobody's
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: this is the coolest thing in the world right now
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: talking to Jimmy Johnson about the Miami hurricane days. And
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I can't tell any of these stories on there, that's
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: those are the best stories. I get those a lot too,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, one day I'll be able to share this.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And because you know, in this industry here, there's a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: lot of shady stuff that goes down that's very interesting
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and very entertaining, but it's also the shady stuff that
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you can't share. And so I know, you know, Bobby,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: when I when I when I started in this business,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I tell people this. In my twenties and early thirties,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: if I had information, I wanted to make sure everybody
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: knew I had information. Now I'm in my fifties, I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: have to bury information because I've built up all these
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: sources through the years and they tell me stuff and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I can't let it out, and so I'll never write
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: a book on it. I'm not going to do a
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: coral though and write a book, you know, at the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: end of my career. So I find that early in
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: my career, I was like, hey, I got information. I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: want to tell you now, like you you have sourcing,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you want to be close to people, you want to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: be trusted, and I don't say stuff. I got a
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: lot of information that I that I that I can
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: kind of use on the air as a direction or
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: are starting point on a story. But I I'm so
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: glad there are people out there that trust me like GMS. Um,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: you know players and they know I'm not going to
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: burn them. Um. But that's the that's the part of
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: my job. Like you, you and I will have this closet,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: this little black book of stories that that will never
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: get out. But that is one of the great things
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: about our job, that information and that proximity to people
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that they trust us. And I really appreciate that. Who
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: was the first person that actually expressed to you and
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you believe them that you could be great? Um? So
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I was. I had worked in Vegas for seven years
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and then I got a job in Tampa doing weekends
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and to supplement my income. A local, Rob wine Gardener
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I think is his name, Rob wine Garden. He was
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a program director at a sports talk radio station in
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Tampa and he had seen me on TV and he said,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I got this old guy. Hubert Mizelli is a sportswriter,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the late Hubert Minzella. Good friend. He goes, I want
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: to couple you with him in the mornings. I said,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I'd be awesome. So we did it and I have
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: been doing it for about six months and one day
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Rob came in and Rob said, hey, you have a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: phone call. Um, I want you to call this guy
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: back after the show. He's a sports talk radio consultant.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: His name is Rick Scott, Seattle Base. So I did
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the show with Hubert. Hubert was very funny, we got long,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: great and the show was overnight. I called this guy
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: back and Rick Scott was in town. I think he
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: he was, you know at that time, Bobby and still is.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: There was like two or three sports radio stations in town.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And he had seen me the night before on TV
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and he said, you don't know who I am. He says,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: quit television, You're going to be the rush Limbob sports
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: talk radio host. And I went, what do you mean
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and he said, I've heard everybody in the country. He
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: goes quick television. He goes, I'm gonna call you in
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: about three months, four months, keep working at it, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. A while later, a few
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: months later. So that was the first person that ever
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: said anything. And I was just like, you know, because
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't listen. I didn't listen to everybody else. I
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: didn't know what everybody else sounded like, except the people
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in Tampa. They were fine. And then a few months later, um,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I was sending out TV tapes and another guy called me.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Bruce Arena ran a station in Portland, and he said,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I got a call from Rick Scott and I was
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: told hire you. He goes, I've never heard of you,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and I've never heard your tape, but I trust Rick,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: so you want to be my sports afternoon host. So
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that was my big break. But that was the first time,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: um I thought, you know, a Hugh Bobby. I thought
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it was a hard worker and I was talented, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I cared about it and I was invested in it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: But nobody had ever said, hey, you could do this,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and it really inspired me. It was really inspiring to me.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: It was just like Wow, I almost felt like this
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: guy knows this industry way better than I do. I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: don't want to disappoint him, so it made me work harder.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: You know, before sports Talk Ready when I first started
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: was I was a TV guy and I just liked
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: talking and Hubert myl Myzel was very funny and he
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: had this sort of southern charm and I just liked him.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Were like the same stuff. We laughed a lot um,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: but it didn't pay at all back then, and and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and and it just wasn't as formidable like with my
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: heart as it is now. It just it just wasn't.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I think Rome was Jim Rome was just starting and
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: it just wasn't that. It wasn't the industry that it
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is now. So that was it. That was the first
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: time somebody said, but you could potentially be something pretty cool. Well,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: this is one of those moments for me that I've
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier where it's just freaking cool to be able
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to hang out. So thanks for being so generous with
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: your time. Been a massive fan forever and I'll just
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: continue to be a massive fan. And that's that's it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: So thanks Colin, and hopefully one day I'll see in
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: real life. Bobby. Um, you are beloved at the company.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Your career is on fire for reason. Musically gifted, verbally gifted,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you have earned all of it. And um you're one
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of the easiest guys in our business a route for
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: so I'm really happy for you. Thanks Colin, and I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: hope you have a great day. Thanks for the time, buddy.
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• 27:01
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• 27:05
  Speaker 1: NFL for a decade. We talked about preparation for these
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: athletes and what it takes to be on top of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: their game consistently, and when he realized he was an
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: elite athlete as a kid. It's a lot of great
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  Speaker 1: insight from a former player and what these athletes have
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to deal with, what they go through. Just one of
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: my favorites here is Marcello's wiley Marcellas, how are you? Oh?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I'm great man, Yeah, same to you. Really just super pumpty.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: You'd spend a few minutes with us here. I want
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to talk about being ready for a second, And so
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I do one of like the radio show that I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: do every day is and in a couple of hundred cities,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and it's a thing. But each night I set aside time,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and each morning I said aside time, a couple of
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: hours here, a couple of hours there, or if I'm
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: doing stand up on the weekends, I'm spending time riding.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Whatever I'm doing. I dedicated an amount of time that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I think is sufficient to doing a good job, putting
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: a good work out so I can make my money. Right.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: That's that's what we're all doing. Now. Some nights, let's
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: say my wife and I decided to go to dinner
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and I don't get to do as much preper reading
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the news as much or and then I go in,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm just gonna have to skate through
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: this one because I did. Now does that happen week
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to week with you guys? Are you're supposed to watch
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of film and maybe you do thirteen weeks,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: but there's a couple of like I didn't get I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: didn't get too as much of it as I should.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna hope this works out. Yeah. Absolutely,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: there are times. I mean, if there's a uniform standard
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of uh traditional prep time of fifteen hours, are there
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: weeks when there's twelve hours? Absolutely? Are there weeks when
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it's seventeen? Absolutely? And you ride the wave. And one
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: thing you have to always be is the ultimate justifier
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and you also got to be your biggest cheerleaders. So
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: if you're ill prepared for the game, you gotta start
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: lying to yourself. No, today we plan on instinct. Today
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: we're playing off, just playing on what we see. You know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you gotta start justifying and lying to yourself because you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: know you're not ready for that moment. And it's the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: same thing in our in our world, in any endeavor,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: if you walk in the door and you don't feel it,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you gotta find it from somewhere else. And usually it's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: between those ears. When you're growing up and you are
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the athlete that you are and also the person who
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: is dedicated to being a better athlete, at what point
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: did your ability catch up with you having to actually
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: put in a bunch of time preparing as a really
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: smart kid. Once I got to by my second year
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of college, I was like, oh, I now I gotta study.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I can't just go off straight what I can pick up?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: When did that happen to you? Where I was? I've
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: been a great athlete in my whole life, but now
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I gotta do extra to make sure I can stay elite. Yeah,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I think that funnel starts from the day you really
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: play sports like I started when I was eight years old. Um,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: and eight years old, all you have to do to
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: play football and be good is be fast, you know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Like every fast eight year old is an m v P.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Like there's no slow eight year olds that are like
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: out there balling like you're gonna you're gonna get caught
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: like you do. Just it's it's it's too simple a game.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: But as the game gets more complex, then you have
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to grow with it in the complexities. Right, So for me,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I would say late high school, even though I still
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: was beasting, Um, I started to realize, like you just
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: can't wake up, put on the house shoes and then
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: ball out of control, like there will be resistance and
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to start out maneuvering people out thinking
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: people just can't always out run everyone. Geometry comes into play.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: These cats are starting to take better angles, coach. These
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: guys are starting to run to the ball collectively, like
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you can start to see where the chess matches being
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: introduced to the game. So it happened step by step.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: But I would say late high school certainly college, even
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: though I went to an IVY school. It wasn't just
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: grab everyone like I was storing and just throw them
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: across the field like I had to do things with
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: my mind and body and combination. And then you know
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the Pros. Every single player in the Pros, they're a
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: black belt. It's just what degree of black belt are day.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Even the sorriest dude who never gets playing time, who's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: on the practice squad is a black belt just one degree.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: When you look at quarterbacks and where they're taking in
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the draft, and the top two or three will go
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to the worst teams, usually worst I'll even say programs institutions.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: When you were playing, what quarterback did you see that
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: probably was wasted because he went to a bad organization
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and you're and you're lined up, and you're like, oh damn,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: this guy's actually could be really good, but everything around
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: him is not and he was not able to flourish
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: because of that. Wow, you know, Um, Carson Palmer keeps
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: coming to mind, but he did flourish. But I was like, yo,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Carson Palmer is a monster and not getting his proper
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: do and then he got hurt in the one playoff
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: year and game that I thought they really could do something.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: So someone who didn't get their full bouquet of flowers
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: was Carson Palmer. I was like, that dude's a monster.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: But he's in Cincinnati and they're trying to figure it out,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and didn't they get the receivers and Chad and t J.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: And like they did something, but they didn't really do
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: what they could have done in a different situation. Carson
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Palmer comes to mind. Um, outside of him. Man, I'm
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: drawing a blank man. A lot of cats. They you
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: can play. You can play at quarterback through the expectations
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: stelling like of a team. If the team is tapered here,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: like you're right here, but you're that quarterback. You can
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: drag that team to higher levels, but there is going
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to be a point of exhaustion and a point where
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: it can't go any further. But Carson Palmer is the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: guy for me. Like Matt Stafford is somebody that I
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: think about. If he never would have got out of Detroit,
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• 32:59
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• 33:01
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  Speaker 1: his struggles and his successes. And so Jay Glazer, he's
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  Speaker 1: the guy we see every Sunday or maybe you watched
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  Speaker 1: him with the rock On Ballers. Jay is an advocate
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: for mental health like I am, and he's helped multiple
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: grade athletes get through their own mental battles. He also
• 35:54
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• 35:57
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• 36:06
  Speaker 1: coming on, Bud absolutely Man I'm excited to come on
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: here with you. Hey doing I'm doing good. Let me
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: fanboy for a second and say that I'm just a
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: massive fan and I always I mean, I look forward
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to a lot of the things that you do, especially
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the hits before the games, because I'm like, all right,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: let me find out was what was either breaking or
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: what do I need to know about who's hurt? So
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: before we talk about some of the stuff that you're
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: working on, just let me say that I'm a massive
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: fan for a long time of what you do. Thank you, brother,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Man, It's it's pretty cool for me. This
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: is my twentieth year at the NFL and Fox. So
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: like every weekend I get to have a family reunion
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: with the rest of my family and we're all crazy,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: you know. It's me and Bradshaw and how we long,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and and my baby sister, Michael Strahan and Karamenofie and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson. But every week I get to have a
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: family reunion. Like how freaking cool is that. It's awesome
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to have a job that you love and you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I like yourself. I'm a big advocate of pursuing mental health,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: and I think you know me growing up in a
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: small town in a very rural part of a state
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: of Arkansas, that we didn't know anyth about mental health
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: growing up. And then to watch you, you know, really
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: champion this cause and share your struggles with it like that,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that's inspiring for a guy like me. So I want
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to first talk about the podcast, uh that it's called
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Unbreakable and you even say it's a mental health podcast.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It's right there in the title, So you're letting everybody
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: know what's going on there. What exactly are you talking about?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And how are you discussing mental health on the podcast?
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: You know? And that's the thing that the whole thing
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: spawned from my book. You know, I'm Breakable how I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: turned my depression anxiety in a motivation and you can too,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: because I I made a decision a long time ago,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: like I wasn't gonna let this thing beat me. And
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I live in something that I call the gray that's
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: depression anxiety, that's throwing some a d D a little
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: bipolar if you can. I mean, I got it all
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and it's my earliest childhood memory. Like I didn't sign
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: up for this, I didn't ask for this, but it
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: man it's every single day in my life. It is
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: hard for me to get out of bed in the morning.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I gotta make that decision. But you know, when you
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: live in the gray, um man, it's like you wake
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: up every morning thinking the world hates you, You're not
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: worthy of being loved. The sky is falling and it's
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: not real. And I know people at home probably going, oh,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: what's this guy complained about? His life is great? Man,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: My life is great, Like I'm not here with you,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: are you kidding me? But between my ears sucks. So
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: for all these years, I like created this character on
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: TV at the Glaze, you know, and you know, fighting
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and football and ballers and doing all this, and I
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: was just I hit it. I just suffered in silence
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: all these years. And I wish I spoke up earlier
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: because of all the people I've could have helped. But
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: also I would have had a better team to walk
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: this walk with together, and I would have been able
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to handle it a lot better than the ways I
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: handle it, which the ways I handle in the past.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: We're not healthy for me or other people. You know.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: We spent so much time talking about our physical fitness
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and again I've been uh, someone who was uneducated on
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: it for a long time until I started experiencing things myself.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: But we do all this happen. You know, to work
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: out how to eat, and that is a big part
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of health, but it ain't all a health. And I've
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: learned this as well. And if you're not mentally healthy
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and you're not working in your mental health, it's almost
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: hard to get healthy physically because if you're not all
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: in up top, it's hard to be all in at all. Yeah,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: when the roommates in my head are not playing along
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: nicely together, man, everything hurts. And so when I have
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: these periods of the gray that I call them, Um,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: it's I get a visceral physical reaction with my depression.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Anxiety hit bad. I feel it actually in my joints
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: on the left side of my gut and behind my
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: rib cage and that that pains very real for me,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and it's something that I handle every single day. And um,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you're right, you know. Mental health is so reactive these days, right,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: physical health, Like, man, you're gonna go to the gym
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: because you want to get yourself bigger. It's every day, right,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: or stronger cardio whatever that that is, right, Like I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: just talked to football teams and say, you guys, don't
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: only catch passes when you have the drops, you throw
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: them and catch the multi up mental health, we only
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: go to see a therapist when the sky has fallen,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: and that's sometimes too late. So I'm trying to get
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: out ahead of it. You know, we talked mental health.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: The reason why I wrote this book and the reason
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: why I'm doing this podcast is I want to give
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: it words. I want to give people words to be
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: able to start having the conversation too, you know. And
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: it's incredible the reaction I've had. I've had grandmother's reach
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: out saying thank you. For the first time in eighty years,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I could have this conversation and tell my husband and
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: kids and grandkids what I've been going through. A lot
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: of girl dads saying like I don't have it, and
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you do. But then
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: but my daughter does. But now I'm able to have
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the conversation. And i want to make this distinction very clear.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I don't talk. I'm not a therapist. I'm not a doctor.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not a teacher. Um, I'm just a dude who's
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: messed up, who's learning how to be good with his
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: messed up nous, And you don't have to have my level,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: which is clinical. And that's why, I guess allows me
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to talk about it. I have clinical depression anxiety, and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and then I hit all these years. But we're all
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: going through something these days. Man. Social media makes us
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: all think our lives suck. Like we're comparing ourselves to
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: everybody else's filtered fraction of a second of a day,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and we're going, man, how come my food doesn't look
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: like that? Why am I not at that party? Like
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: we feel left out? Or on Twitter we see so
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: much hate and bullying. And when I got bullying on
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the playground growing up, it sucked for a month. But
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: now we're seeing in a thousand times a second on Twitter,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: so it's just a scarier world. So you don't have
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: that my level. All right, we're all going through some
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: sort of gray, And like I said, my job now
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: is you know, I felt cursed for all these years,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: but now I feel like God bless me with depression
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: anxiety so I could give other people a voice to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: hopefully help them through their pain, because man, we deserve it.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: We don't deserve for this great wind screw that like
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I deserve to live in the blue. We all do.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I wonder what attorney point was as far as you
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: mentioned the glaze and this larger than life character that
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you presented. But that was your job, right, I bet
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I do this too. Like other days, I don't feel good,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: but I gotta come and do a national show. And you,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you gotta be who people are are tuning in to
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: see you tuning into here. But for you, not only
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: were you this larger than life person, but there's m
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: m A, there's football. It's a very macho thing that
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: you're a part of. And when was it for you
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: that you went? You know what? I just have to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: be uncomfortably vulnerable because if I don't like I'm not
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: actually sharing who I really am? What was that turning
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: point for you? I started going down worse and worse
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: roads here as I've gotten older. You know, people think
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that you hit success. I thought, and here's the thing
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like for me, That's why I say in the book title,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: how I use it to motivate me. I'm not able,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know what it's like to feel love
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: from the inside out. I've never felt worthy of being love,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: which sucks. Man. It's lonely. I want to be loved.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: So it's as a result worst minted do all these big,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: great things on the outside, like we're in the I'm
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: in the TV Hall of Fame. I was the first
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: mm A host of a nationals mm A show in
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: America doing five years and ballers with the rock who
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: wrote the forward for my book is how important this is.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: So it's forced me to go do all these great
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: things on the outside. Two Steel loved and I thought, man,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: once I kind of made it, and I'd have some
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: money because I would. And listen, I've been on both ends.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: The first eleven years of my career. I was making
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: nineties seven hundred bucks a year living in New York City.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: That sucks. I don't understand what it's like to be broken.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And I worked my butt off to be unbreakable, if
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: you will, because I needed to find that outside love
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to help lift me up. And and I just didn't
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: work like that, Like the outside stuff didn't really fulfill me.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: So I kind of got sick of it. Man, I
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: got sick of waking up every day. And you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: one of the things I read about the book is
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: that I need a team and I've had fight teams
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: in different teams to help me through. And I said,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna start talking about it because
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: more I could talk about it, I'll get a bunch
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: of more teammates out there that we can walk this
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: walk together and and it will help me through. And
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I've needed the help as much as I'm helping others.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I need to help just as much. I want to
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: encourage you guys to check out Unbreakable how I turn
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: my depression anxiety and a motivation, and you can to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: buy a Jay Glazer and then the podcast which is
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Unbreakable with Jay Glazer and Minnal Health podcast. They are
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: both uh the first episode, Sean McVeigh, I asked him,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: you've got some really like someone like me would consider
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: really cool relationships. And is Shan a friend of yours
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: who wanted so in the book, um when I described
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the gray. We're in Mexico, myself, him, and Andrew Whitworth
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: and we're trying to describe to him what depression anxiety is.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: And Sean, man, his life is like a nightlight, you know.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: He's like, like the worst thing that ever happened to
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Sean is he didn't win the Super Bowl in his
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: second year ever as the youngest head coach in NFL history. Um,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: and like his parents look like the people who are
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: picture frames you buying freaking target. You know, it's like
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: his He don't understand childhood druma or anything like that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: So we start. He starts really deep diving explaining. So
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a good way for me to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: explain it. Trying to explain to the Super Bowl winning
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: head coach of what it's like to have depression, anxiety
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: and the gray and Andrew Whitworth, who's his captain, his
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: left tackle, who's the Walter Payton Man of the Year
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: award winner. He starts talking about it and Sean goes, wait,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you too. He's like, Sean, what do you think gets me,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: at forty years of age to still pound my head
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: into Aaron Donald every day? Yeah, dude, I'm messed up, absolutely,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: we all are. So we were trying to explain to
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: this Sean that it's not just your locker room, it's
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: everybody around you and where you gotta start, which will
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I said Sean, thinking how great of a coach you
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: could be if you could start learning how to be
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: vulnerable and you can start leaning into other people and started,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: you know, the attachment that I now have. Uh. And
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you a story after this about me and
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Michael strand Um, who was my best friend you know
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: for earty years but to day that I hit it from.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: But I said, man, imagine how much better for coaches
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: will make you. Well. Last year they go oh for
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: November during the Super Bowl run, and he was struggling,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: and people don't know I would actually go out to
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: his house. I was I was to turn about him,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and I went to his house a couple of times
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: during that period just to get him to start being
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: vulnerable and opening up to people on his team and
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: his staff. And he did, and he really started opening
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: up to two things that he was struggling with and
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: that helped really helped bomb them together. And then they
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: went on a Super Bowl run and it just made
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: him a better coach and a better Now he's a
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: husband now, better friends, better everything. So it's pretty cool.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I got to Yeah, these relationships in the most dudely
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: of worlds, right Like, I look at it like no
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: one's questioned my manhood. I fought for years. I coached
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: for years, do football ball there's all so no one's
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: question of my manager. So I could cry to you
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: on the drop of a dime, I'm good. What's the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Stray hand story? So man again, this guy is is
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: my best friend since he and I lasted on each other.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: And in those broke years, I didn't have enough money
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to go from I had to go to Giant Stadium
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: every day to work to be a reporter. I didn't
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: have enough money to take a subway to a bus
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: to Giants Stadium and back every day. So Stray drove
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: me back into New York City every freaking day for
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: like nine years. So I own like eight granted Lincoln
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Tubtle fair right, So so for years, um, and I
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: had this from my whole team, except how we long? Um,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: how you could tell when I was having I would
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I would have these anxiety attacks before the show and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: some mental breakdown sometimes, And how are you go, hey, hey, hey, hey,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: sky is not falling. The sky is not falling because
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: because how he's messed up too yet you gotta be
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: messed up to be that violent of a football player.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: But so last year, thirty years, okay, Stray and I
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: are supposed to go out to dinner and man, the
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  Speaker 1: beast just got out of the box and my anxiety.
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  Speaker 1: I got woken up in the middle of night by
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  Speaker 1: an anxiety attack. Like how unfair is that? And like
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do anything, There wasn't anything that triggered me.
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  Speaker 1: It woke me up. And man, I just felt like
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: my world was ending and it freaking sucked. And like
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  Speaker 1: I said, it takes so much out of me physically
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  Speaker 1: when it happens. So for the first time in thirty years,
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go out to dinner with straight, and
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  Speaker 1: I said, man, I can't go to dinner tonight. In
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the past, when this happened, I would use viking in
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: an alcohol and just hide it and uh. And that
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: would usually be a lot more dangerous because I started
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: to get a little fifty, you know, and start snatching people.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not the most pleasant person on
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: that Um. So for the first time, at thirty years,
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  Speaker 1: I said, straight, can't go to dinner tonight, ma'am. The
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  Speaker 1: beast just got out of the box. And he said,
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  Speaker 1: you want you, I'm gonna come over. I said, um,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: not this time. I think I just gotta get back
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  Speaker 1: to bed. And he said, you want to talk about it.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I said, I do, but not right now. And then
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: he said to me, why have you never told me
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  Speaker 1: about this? I'm your best friend. Said, man, I don't
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: make up the rules of this thing, bro, whatever reason,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I felt ashamed with you. And he's like, yeah, but
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I you took my my ability to be your friend away.
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  Speaker 1: I wish you had opened up. I got a little
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: choked up talking about it because had I been able
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: to open up to him for thirty years like I
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: am now, I would have had somebody that I could
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: have leaned on. I would have had somebody who can
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: help me out of that dark hole. Um. So, for
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: everybody out there listening, listen, every single person I've opened
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: up to about this, but I'm having bad days and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: we just told me to suck it up, but he's
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: called me was. In fact, it's gotten us closer together.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say the majority of my friends that
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I've opened up to about it have then in turn
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: open up to me about something that they never know
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: they could they ever could have. Yes, it sounds like
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: your team is very important to Your friends are very
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: important to you. Your support group, which also that's a
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: that's a pillar in the book of like how to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: get through this? Yeah, it's finding those teams I talk
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: about when I we'll speak or or you know, I
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: do a comedy slash kind of Ted talk where I
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: tore a bit and I talked about how, you know,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: we're always afraid to ask for help, but if somebody
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: asked us for help, we do it in a second.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: So if someone's ever like, hey, would you please help me? Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: I do it. But then why wouldn't you ask for
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: help if you need it? I don't want to bother people.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Oh I don't know my but it's almost you know,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: lend that perspective to you having to reach out to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: somebody because you would help somebody, So why would you
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: not ask somebody to lend you a hand? See, you
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: know what I do now, So now I have better
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: tools to deal with it. So again again I had
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  Speaker 1: another night, and I don't know why this has been
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: happening lately, But again, like I said, like depression anxiety,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: they pull a chair up whenever they damn well, please,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: there's no there's no schedule. And for me also, I
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: have a panic attack every single time I've ever been
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: on TV. From two thousand and five to now as
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I'm on that first segment only on our show, not
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: on somebody else's show, it's the weirdest thing, which was
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: really really strange, because man, I'm great in chaos, I
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: suck in calm. So I don't know why that happens.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: It becomes a bitual. But so as I'm talking to
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you on Sundays, every time that's first segment, I'm having
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: an anxiety attack and I'm I call it wrestling with
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: my abuser. And so what I do now when I
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: get woken up in the middle of the night by it,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: or I have a really bad day, I will call
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: four friends and tell them, Man, I am freaking struggling today.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I just gotta tell somebody because this power numbers right,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: So I started telling them, and then the other of
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: thing I do, like another one of my pillars is
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: being of service and being of service to me charity
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: or you know, helping in so many different ways. Um,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: but I'll call four other friends and not telling them struggling,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: just to check up on them. And that combination of
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: me calling people and having a team to help lift
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: me up and then meet checking up on others to
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: be of service to them, that really helps that Gray
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: take a hike Jalen Hurts And it seems like it
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: was just yesterday that the big the big debate was,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: is Philly want to commit to Jalen Hurts as their quarterback?
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Pull him, let him play trade? So what have we
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: learned though with how awesome he is now versus when
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: they were questioning if he could even beat the quarterback?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: You know, I look for guys who worked their butts off,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and you know, buddy of mine used to coach for
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: me and Unbreakable, my gym in l A coaches him
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: down there, trains him and he's like, dude, this kid
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: just NonStop, NonStop works. So you know, his thing was accuracy.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to become more accurate as time goes on.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: But you know, were they were they looking to replace
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: him at a time, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Um, they're trying
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to upgrade if they thought but as he continued to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: work at this work of this work of this, I
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: thought they're gonna be a turnaround team this year, not
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: as much for the talent they brought in, but for
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the fact that last year with the head coach, nick'sy reality,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: they're all kind of like, uh, does this guy really
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: know what he's doing. Should he have got the job?
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Where are we going here? And now they're all bought it.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Now they're like, okay, he's a king man in chart
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: we follow, We're good. So they had just a different
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: confidence about them. Unbreakable with Jay Glazer. It's a podcast.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: You can go and actually check that out today and
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: you can order the book I'm Breakable How I try
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: my depression anxiety into motivation and you can too. Hey,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: just appreciate how candid you are about struggle in general.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: It's not easy. Vulnerability is a really hard thing to learn,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: very empowering thing which you can understand and see the
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: effects that has on other people in the strength that
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: you get from them. So I think you have inspired
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: so many and so many more with the podcast, And
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: thank you for your time and thank you for your afterpay.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate it. Also, like one people understanding I'm
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: talking about the heavy stuff, but I'm also we're gonna laugh,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Like laughter helps me through it too. So if you
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: read the book, you listen to podcast, let do some
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: happy stuff. But you're definitely got some laughter in there too,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: because I think the gray hates laughter at Jay Glazer
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: on the Socials. Well, be looking forward to It's j
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: C on TV again. Dude, Thank you, brother buddy, thanks
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: for listening to this episode where I get to highlight
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: some of the best things from the year. And we'll
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: do another one as well. But Colin Cowherd or sell Us, Wiley,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Jay Glazer awesome. Thank you. I'll try to get some
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: other favorite interviews and put them up again this week
• 54:44
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• 54:46
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• 54:49
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