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Feminist Movie Friday: Crip Camp · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan
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  Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I heart Radio, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Feminist Movie. And then whatever
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  Speaker 1: day you're listening to. I guess technically this is being
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  Speaker 1: released on a Wednesday, so it's no longer a feminist
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  Speaker 1: movie Friday. But you don't also you may not be
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  Speaker 1: listening on a Wednesday. Who knows, right, it's true, we
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  Speaker 1: have we have no control over this. Uh, you can
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  Speaker 1: insert whatever day of the week that you're listening to it,
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  Speaker 1: and that that's perfectly fine. Yes, And we talked about
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  Speaker 1: this on our last movie and we wanted to come
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  Speaker 1: back and make sure that we do a viewing and
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  Speaker 1: have a conversation. But we are talking about the amazing
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  Speaker 1: documentary crypt Camp Disability Revolution. But before we start, Annie,
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  Speaker 1: I do need to ask did you do camps as
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  Speaker 1: a kid? Did you go to like these little summer camps?
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  Speaker 1: Funny you should add said, because I just had a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with my friends about how there's like very jokingly
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  Speaker 1: camp kids and non camp kids. Um, I did not
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  Speaker 1: do it. I as as I have said today, the
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  Speaker 1: reasons might be different. I do not sleep well around
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  Speaker 1: other people. That sounded like a nightmare to me. I
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  Speaker 1: did like the idea of like learning out a ty
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  Speaker 1: knots or shoot bow and arrows or whatever. But I
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  Speaker 1: feel like a lot of movies about camp that I
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  Speaker 1: watched as a kid did not make it seem like
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  Speaker 1: an experience I would enjoy. It sounded like there's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a lot of pranks and I was gonna be
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  Speaker 1: terrified and for life. Oh no, I think it's important
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  Speaker 1: to what kind of camp you go to. I will
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  Speaker 1: say that I did go to a couple of church camps,
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  Speaker 1: and it was very rare that I went because they
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  Speaker 1: were expensive. But I also thought was one of those
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  Speaker 1: that thought camp was kind of not useless. But just like,
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  Speaker 1: why why would I do this? Um? Why would I
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  Speaker 1: go away into a strange place and pay all this money?
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  Speaker 1: Uh to do things like eat the food that I
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  Speaker 1: don't like being in the on was getting eaten up
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  Speaker 1: by bugs, like all of these things. But I really
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  Speaker 1: like the ones that I was able to do things.
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  Speaker 1: I went to a church camp that went and built
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  Speaker 1: homes throughout the town's underprivileged areas. I loved that that
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  Speaker 1: part of it was so much fun, and I built
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  Speaker 1: a lot of friendships based on it. I did because
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  Speaker 1: I went to several because after I went to one
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  Speaker 1: of them, I went to several because I love the
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  Speaker 1: aspect of going to build and do things all day
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  Speaker 1: long and enjoy those times. Of course, the first one
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  Speaker 1: was amazing, so I wanted to relive that one over
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  Speaker 1: and over and over again. That didn't happen. But I
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  Speaker 1: had some really good experiences. But I wouldn't say that
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  Speaker 1: it was my cup of tea. I like camping to
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  Speaker 1: a certain degree, but yeah, I would always be exhausted
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  Speaker 1: when I left. But but like I said, I did
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  Speaker 1: build some bonds. And I'm really excited about this documentary
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  Speaker 1: because that's kind of where we see, uh, this type
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  Speaker 1: of camp going. But yeah, so we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Dance Award winning, Slash Oscar nominated documentary Crypt Camp
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  Speaker 1: a Disability Revolution, which was released in directed by Nicole
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  Speaker 1: Newnham and James le Brett, who was camper himself at
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  Speaker 1: what we are calling it crypt Camp or crypt jan
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  Speaker 1: ad Um, and it was also executive produced by the
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  Speaker 1: Obama's Michelle and Baraque. It was it was and we
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  Speaker 1: mentioned this not only in a recent um feminist movie Friday.
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  Speaker 1: I think also in our recent book Clip, but in
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  Speaker 1: our A d A or breakdown on the ad A,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about coming back to discuss this movie. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it's on Netflix streaming if you haven't seen it, want
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  Speaker 1: to watch it. Not currently a sponsor, but just letting
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  Speaker 1: you know. The documentary follows le Brett, Judith Human, Denise Share, Jacobson,
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Rosenblum, Nancy Dangelo, Anna Kupolo Freeman, Ellie Abrashkin, Gene
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  Speaker 1: Mala Frante, Steve Hoffman, Michael Tannenbaum, Al Levy, and others
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  Speaker 1: who attended as campers at Camp jened A camphlet by
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  Speaker 1: Larry Allison, who was the camp director. We also got
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  Speaker 1: to meet staffers like Lionel, Joe Woodyard, Joseph O'Connor, and
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  Speaker 1: people who are on site to document the film with
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  Speaker 1: the People's Video Theater, like Howard gustat Um, who was
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  Speaker 1: able to get footage of the times and discussion throughout
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  Speaker 1: the camp. So that was really cool, actually right Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing I thought was like, what an amazing
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  Speaker 1: thing that they were able to get this on film
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  Speaker 1: and have such an open, honest conversation and it was
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  Speaker 1: able to get that and restore that and be able
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  Speaker 1: to show that to others because it was a phenomenal
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  Speaker 1: idea and you don't see that, you know. We've talked
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  Speaker 1: about this many times when we think of historical figures
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  Speaker 1: and historical events that we don't get to see or
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  Speaker 1: have actual proof of what happened there. And to have
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  Speaker 1: like a first person contact to see what is happening
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  Speaker 1: and what has happened, it's phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah, And it
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  Speaker 1: was very like a moment in time captured because I
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  Speaker 1: was like, this is seventies is how I feel it.
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  Speaker 1: I love seeing them in their prime and they were
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  Speaker 1: selling themselves and exploring that, and I'm like, I wonder
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  Speaker 1: how they turned out as adults. Just they still follow
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  Speaker 1: with that. Yes, and we got to see some answers
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  Speaker 1: to that question. Yeah. The film was fifteen years in
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  Speaker 1: the making with camp Goer Labrick who has spin and
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  Speaker 1: Bithada as a director and narrator throughout the documentary, and Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it was premiered at the Sundance Festival. Camp Jeannette was
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  Speaker 1: founded in ninety two and the cat Skills and was
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  Speaker 1: shut down in nineteen seventy seven, and this is where
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  Speaker 1: a majority of it takes place, where a lot of
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  Speaker 1: like the blossoming of this activism that we see right
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's postially because a Labrett who came
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  Speaker 1: in later is the one that says the tone of
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  Speaker 1: how he got to be a part of that and
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  Speaker 1: seeing that as well, and then if I am correct,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what is happening with Kim Jannette right now,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of conversation about things with clip
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  Speaker 1: camp and how that's kind of blossomed a new movement
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  Speaker 1: in twenty as well, so it's good to see how
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  Speaker 1: it kind of picks back up. But the documentary as
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  Speaker 1: well we are discussing shows the impact of camp to
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  Speaker 1: Neet and the campers who could escape the world and
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  Speaker 1: go to their personal quote with Stock as one of
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  Speaker 1: the campers say, they are the campers were able to
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  Speaker 1: live as they wanted, hooking up with some of the
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  Speaker 1: other campers, maybe for the first time, getting girlfriends, getting boyfriends,
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  Speaker 1: having all this new romance, playing and truly competing with
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  Speaker 1: each other. There was a line when they talked about
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, not only were they picked to
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  Speaker 1: be on their team, you had to and if you
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  Speaker 1: got out, You got out there. This is not about pity.
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  Speaker 1: This is about good, friendly competition, being treated as one
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  Speaker 1: of the teammates um and then you get to see
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  Speaker 1: them making their own decisions, but also get access to
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  Speaker 1: actual help from people, not just being left and being
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  Speaker 1: able to speak about the issues, from being treated differently
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  Speaker 1: by the outside world or by their parents and or
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  Speaker 1: disciplined differently, or even completely having to be reliant on
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  Speaker 1: their parents and therefore having to act differently than other
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  Speaker 1: teenage kids, trying to obtain autonomy, and just being able
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  Speaker 1: to live their lives and the discussions they had poured
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  Speaker 1: out in the world world. Of course, we're kind of
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  Speaker 1: jumping over a lot of the things, the personal connections
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  Speaker 1: and just the love that happens at the camp, and
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to do that, but you really should
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  Speaker 1: go and watch it because it's a deep account of
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  Speaker 1: who they are as an individual and being able to
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  Speaker 1: sit and discuss what they feel like they needed and
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  Speaker 1: how they're often shut down. And we're gonna talk a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more about this later in the themes because
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  Speaker 1: we think it's really important, but it is really just
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  Speaker 1: eye opening to have them being able to speak up
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  Speaker 1: for themselves to truly air out the frustrations and to
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  Speaker 1: be able to do it with people who understand them.
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  Speaker 1: As Labrette talked about how in his hometown or at
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  Speaker 1: his school he's the only one with a disability who
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  Speaker 1: was disabled in the friend group. He has a great
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  Speaker 1: friend group. But then coming back and realizing, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: do have these concerns, or I do have this moment
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  Speaker 1: of trying to figure myself out and angst and anger
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  Speaker 1: and trying to pretend, uh you know that it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: exist on this level, and or being uh isolated because
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  Speaker 1: of it. He talks about that and again talks about
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  Speaker 1: his own family and his relationship with his mom. You
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  Speaker 1: see that when we talk about the layer of hierarchy
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to disabilities and types of disabilities, and
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  Speaker 1: then breaking that down in this conversation. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: really beautiful time again they're having a democracy. We see
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  Speaker 1: a young Judith human who takes on the net as
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  Speaker 1: a leader, but trying to do it democratically, to giving
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  Speaker 1: everybody a voice, whether it's about food, whether it's about
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  Speaker 1: you know, sleeping, like all of these things. It's a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful thing to see as you get to watch them
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  Speaker 1: in the moment of the camps was nice, and also
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  Speaker 1: the Crabs incident and if you don't know what I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about, you need to watch it. It's like just
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  Speaker 1: such a realistic heads this is great. Yes, Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: the discussion had does pour out into the real world
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  Speaker 1: as Judith Human and so many from the camp continue
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  Speaker 1: in taking their discussions into action. Human's own lawsuit against
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  Speaker 1: the New York Board of Education was highlighted as part
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  Speaker 1: of the catalyst in the disability movement and political protests
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  Speaker 1: which you see later on in the film as they
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  Speaker 1: continue to build up to being able to advocate for
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  Speaker 1: themselves right and UM. As we did discuss in our
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  Speaker 1: a d A episode, the movement was heated with sit ins, protests,
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  Speaker 1: and political debates and negotiations UM. The documentary follows different
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  Speaker 1: approaches in the disability activists, including the Five Out four
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  Speaker 1: sit in in San Diego in nineteen seventy which spread
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  Speaker 1: to Washington, d C. To pressure the then administration to
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  Speaker 1: define federal guidelines around the Discrimination Act UM and to
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  Speaker 1: push for the civil rights of all disabled people. And
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  Speaker 1: it was during this time that supporters from other movements
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  Speaker 1: such as the Black Panthers came and drove to not
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  Speaker 1: only show support but also provide did items such as
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  Speaker 1: meals and services for those protesting. Right. It was really
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  Speaker 1: interesting to watch the different people and organizations that would
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  Speaker 1: reach out and making sure that they were able to
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  Speaker 1: support them as In fact, during that time, one activist
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  Speaker 1: asked members of the Black Panthers, why are you doing this?
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, we see you, we know what it's
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  Speaker 1: like to be here, and we have to fight for
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  Speaker 1: with each other. This is what we're about and I
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  Speaker 1: love that. So the documentary continued following individuals as they
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  Speaker 1: were going through their own private journeys, such as uh
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  Speaker 1: Denise Sharer Jacobson, who talked about her life as a
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  Speaker 1: disability educator and as a specialist in human sexuality, which
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  Speaker 1: she talks about how she got there, which was pretty
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  Speaker 1: much what we've talked about before. How often times people
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  Speaker 1: with disabilities are dismissed when it comes to sexuality and
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  Speaker 1: disregarded completely and seeing as completely a sexual and I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying that in the literal definition, not necessarily a sexuality definition,
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  Speaker 1: but that's one of the things that they state. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and she kind of pushed rug. She was like, nah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I needed to get mine out of kind of get
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  Speaker 1: mine um and as she talked about her experience of
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  Speaker 1: actually being pregnant, but because the doctors did not see
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  Speaker 1: her as a sexual being or someone who could be sexual,
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  Speaker 1: they dismissed that altogether, and that really pushed her forward
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  Speaker 1: uh into this profession and just being an activist for
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  Speaker 1: disabled community. Um And she talked about how she pushed
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  Speaker 1: to defy expectations on which so many underestimator, including being
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  Speaker 1: in a relationship and and growing with her family and
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  Speaker 1: being a professional who made it out into the world.
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  Speaker 1: Um and really became an icon in education, especially within
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  Speaker 1: the disabled community as well as the education community. So
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  Speaker 1: the documentary continues as Human and her organization, Disabled in
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  Speaker 1: Action continued their fight, including the Capital Crawl in the nineties,
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  Speaker 1: which was a poor if we talked about this earlier,
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  Speaker 1: a demonstration of inaccessibility and no access for those with disabilities,
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  Speaker 1: which made a huge impact because we still talk about
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  Speaker 1: it today. Yes, and later we see a reunion with
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  Speaker 1: several of the old camp goers with Human, the Brett
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  Speaker 1: Jacobson and few others at the old camp site reminiscing
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  Speaker 1: about the past, and it was a very powerful right
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  Speaker 1: to see there then reuniting and reminiscing about the people
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  Speaker 1: they've lost and the people who were still there and
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  Speaker 1: why it was so important this camp. Right one of
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  Speaker 1: the camp goers children came through to celebrate the camp
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  Speaker 1: as well, and it was a heartwarming moment where she
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  Speaker 1: got to see where some of the defying moments for
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  Speaker 1: her father was there in that area. So it was
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful ending. But of course with that, throughout the movie,
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  Speaker 1: you see that as much as they do progress, they
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  Speaker 1: do feel like they're being pushed back in some of
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  Speaker 1: the progress. And as we're talking about today, we know
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  Speaker 1: that's still a big issue. As many things that have happened,
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  Speaker 1: there have been setbacks, as many good things have happened
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  Speaker 1: with the A d A, there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: that are problematic within the A d A. And we
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  Speaker 1: needed to talk about that as well and who it
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  Speaker 1: applies to, who gets access, And honestly that some of
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  Speaker 1: the conversation that we're having with UM them just venting
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  Speaker 1: and airing out the issues that they dealt with in
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  Speaker 1: everyday life haven't gone away UM unfortunately, but they definitely
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  Speaker 1: did a lot to make sure to bring some awareness
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  Speaker 1: and some step forward. But yeah, if you haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: this documentary, you should definitely check it out. We did
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  Speaker 1: want to go on with some themes of the documentary
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  Speaker 1: because I think it's really important that we highlight and
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  Speaker 1: talk about how they have impacted and this movement impacted
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  Speaker 1: all of society and all of us as a community,
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  Speaker 1: and just understanding we need to keep pushing for human rights. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the big themes is, of course, the
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  Speaker 1: history of those with disabilities, the rights of disabilities, civil
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  Speaker 1: rights within disability communities, as well as just being able
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  Speaker 1: to be heard um. And I thought it was really
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  Speaker 1: good how they actually just backtracked and talked about it
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  Speaker 1: from almost beginning to end, including some of the horrific things, um,
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  Speaker 1: such as that we're talking about the will Brook Institute
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  Speaker 1: and how horrible that discovery was. And it really kind
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  Speaker 1: of opened up, uh, I guess the public to see
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  Speaker 1: how horrific some of the people with disabilities were being treated. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's such a great vulnerable personal look. That's
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  Speaker 1: the progress that the disability movement has had and how
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  Speaker 1: hard they've had to fight, and a lot of it.
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  Speaker 1: Watching it felt so frustrating because is what they were saying,
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  Speaker 1: just make sense, and of course, like you should have
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  Speaker 1: access two, being able to live by yourself, being able
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  Speaker 1: to access public transportation, being able to get into public buildings,
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  Speaker 1: like all of these things. But they were having to
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  Speaker 1: fight so hard and that, you know, the camp. It
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  Speaker 1: was so kind of heartbreaking but also heart warming to
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  Speaker 1: hear them talk about how much they loved that camp
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  Speaker 1: because they would go and it was like the first
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  Speaker 1: time they just felt like they didn't have to fit
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  Speaker 1: into society's rules or like make people feel comfortable, that
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  Speaker 1: they could just be themselves and talk to other people,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why it was so important to them, and
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  Speaker 1: it was so life changing. And I think an experience
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  Speaker 1: like that clearly carried through into this movement because it
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  Speaker 1: was like a glimpse of well, no, we should have
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  Speaker 1: had this all right. I mean, we already talked about
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  Speaker 1: the ablest ide, yeah, of dismissing those with disabilities, thinking
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  Speaker 1: that they're not able to think for themselves or do
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  Speaker 1: for themselves, so therefore their lacking and shouldn't have an opinion, um,
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  Speaker 1: which I think human does an amazing job in making sure.
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  Speaker 1: At that camp she was like, no, you will have
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  Speaker 1: a part in this and you will have a voice
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  Speaker 1: in this and we will allow you to speak and
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  Speaker 1: have a voice here. And I love that and which
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  Speaker 1: she felt just rightly. So should be everywhere I should
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  Speaker 1: be outside of just the safe space of kemp janet um.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, one of the things they talked about was
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  Speaker 1: the fact that the ADA had not passed at that
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  Speaker 1: point in time, and there was no anti discrimination laws uh,
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  Speaker 1: and in place for those with disabilities. And when they
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  Speaker 1: went into town being denied at places because they made
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  Speaker 1: people uncomfortable, they made customers uncomfortable, and that in itself
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  Speaker 1: was such a statement of course. Uh. This was one
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  Speaker 1: of the counselors who was an African American man who
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  Speaker 1: had come out of Alabama to hang out Jay Woodyard,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, And he was talking about you know, and
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  Speaker 1: at that point in time, I understood, because we knew
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  Speaker 1: we had to be in our place and not to
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  Speaker 1: make people uncomfortable because if we didn't, they could be
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  Speaker 1: dangerous for us as well. And he was talking in
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  Speaker 1: comparison about how important seeing this level was and how yes,
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  Speaker 1: it was similar to each other, and we we had
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  Speaker 1: so much to push forward and trying to get beyond
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  Speaker 1: just existing and existing quietly or disappearing in the corner,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought that was impactful. Yeah, one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that we talked about with the personal history is
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  Speaker 1: just the basic human rights, just being able to exist,
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  Speaker 1: uh wherever, and and not being told you shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: here because you make this awkward or you make me
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  Speaker 1: feel some sort of way. Um. And at one point
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  Speaker 1: time when they were talking about the five o four protests,
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  Speaker 1: they were she was talking about the fact one of
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  Speaker 1: the protesters was talking about the fact, you know, this
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  Speaker 1: was really uncomfortable and people don't want to see us.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, and when it comes down to it, she
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  Speaker 1: quotes as saying, the world always wants us dead. Just
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  Speaker 1: people know that every day of our lives we live
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  Speaker 1: that reality. So there's always gonna be am I going
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  Speaker 1: to survive? Am I going to push back? Or am
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I going to fight to be here? Just talking about
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the fact that, Yeah, honestly, during that time, society had
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: this whole don't look, don't tell, don't see, don't you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: don't hear type of conversation, which is why the institutions
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like Willebrook existed to just push them aside and be ignored,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: which is so cruel, and she was talking about that
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that like, you know, it was one of those things
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that whether it's going to make us angry or is
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: it gonna make us fight, and talking about the fact
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: that yeah, we're gonna fight and you're gonna see that
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: we exist and when you ignore us, Yes, death happens.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Things that you don't want to see or think about happens,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: but it's going to be there. And yeah, we're not disappearing,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: which I thought was an important conversation that they were
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: having that they were like we're here, um, and you
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: see the interviews throughout their times, and I thought that
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: was interesting. And of course another with the history of
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it is uh during the camp what impacted something that
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, I was talking about the right to privacy,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: which I know we take I take for granted. Yeah. Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: there were so many conversations that felt like a gift
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to see, not only because I was like, oh, wow,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: they got they still have this footage from you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: this time period, but just being so open and vulnerable
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and uh, in the face of real callousness from like
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: government officials, especially towards the end, where they're just like
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it's going to cost too much, no way to give
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you your basic rights. But yeah, it's just the They
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: discussed all of these ideas and concerns and things that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: they had to deal with since childhood, around their lives
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and privacy, around having to depend on others when that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: didn't have to be the case, but like particularly their
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: parents perhaps, and just their lives kind of being up
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: for the judgment from everybody, like everybody being like, oh,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you must be sick. Oh there must be something wrong
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: with you. Right, I don't want to be involved because
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you must be sick, which is wrong and gross. Right. Well. Yeah,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and also just like as you were talking about, you know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: having to depend on everyone else, they were talking about
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the fact that you know, at one point, um, one
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: of the campers had to depend on someone else to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: translate for her, um and then uh, that person who translates,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like this is what she's trying to say.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And what we're talking about right now is being able
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: to be alone, not having to be completely monitored all
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the time. We don't have that freedom, and it feels
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: we don't have privacy anymore. I can't be alone to
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: address myself because don't want to trust that I'm going
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to do that to you know, like all of these
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: things for those like having to deal with the fact that, yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Leabrec talked about how he had gone through surgery and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: having to wear diapers and that was just so a
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: level of vulnerability that he wasn't ready for and coming
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to a camp and you know, you know the stigma
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of that, but this was a different camp where people
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: everybody was like yeah, we we understand this, we know
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the struggle and then be given access care as well
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: as still being treated as a full fleshed human instead
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of being and vantilized because of their disabilities. So it
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: was a really big eye opener to that. Of course,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier the crab incident sexuality and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: how that was a joke and I laughed. It was
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: pretty funny in that they're like, oh we got grabs,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: here we go no, and being quarantined from each other
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: because they were sexually active. This was a chance for
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: them to finally explore with one another and and do
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: have these relationships, to be able to make out in
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the corner. Like the stories. It made me smile because
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is what happens, like well, not
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: church camp, but regular camp. I think maybe church camp too.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I just wasn't that cold kid. Yeah, that was one
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: of the most One of the threads that stuck out
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the most to me was this exploration of sexuality because
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: as we have talked about and we discussed in the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: A d A episode like that, that's a big discussion
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: in the disability community and disability rights community is you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: they're all of these things that we need to talk about,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: um and one of them is de sexualization and and
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: fantalizing of people who have disabilities. Uh. And Denise Jacobson,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: she was very open about that and she as you
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, like she went to the hospital she
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: had stomach pains and they're like, oh, it must be appendicitist,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and they took out perfectly healthy appendix before they bothered
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to ask her like, oh are you sexually active? Oh
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you have ganarihea, And this was the thing that was
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: like she was like, Nope, okay, I'm gonna go and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: study sexually out specifically disability and sexuality. And I think
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: that's so important And I loved seeing her embrace it,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: even if I was so furious, but that had to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: be a thing for her at all Um, But it
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: was again like, yeah, there was something so nice about
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: just hearing them discuss, like, oh, this is our one
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: weekend aniversary. It was like, you know camp again. I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: never went to camp, but I've also assumed that's what happened. Yes, yes, right,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: but they were able to explore that and figure that out.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: They were playing music, they were just being themselves. But yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: on top of that, you do see this amazing friendship
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: which they even talked about during the five oh for
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: uh sentence how it was Camp Oliver again, them coming together,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: singing together, talking it through, talking about their methods, talking
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: about their grievances. Um. But these let friendships, though they
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: didn't always last, some of them really did. Nancy was
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: one of the ones that was next to Judith Human
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the whole time, making sure things were getting done. Um.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Labrett talked about he was excited to come to Berkeley
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: because that's where they were to help with these different
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: protests and then the growing need to be activists. Um.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: So it was really good to see. But yeah, there's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: this level of commandari that that happens, especially when you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: are vulnerable and open and then connect on that level.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: But to move it into activism is a whole different
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: conversation into seeing what they did and what they accomplished
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: UM and coming in to understand what these types of
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: movements can do, but really just growing on trusting each other.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: That was a whole different level to UM And of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: course we're going to talk a little more about it
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: in a minute. But like the inclusion, making sure that
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: everyone again had a voice, making sure that there was
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: an interpreter for those who were deaf before I'm meeting
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: actually started making sure that people are being taken care
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: of at all eyes being asked what they thought. I
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: thought it was phenomenal how Judith under her leadership humans
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: leadership really did take on a whole life in itself,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and you could tell that she cared, like when she
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: would choke up and announcements, her friends would behind her.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Here for you, We got you encouraging her instead of
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: sitting in awkward silence, which I feel like happens a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: lot when someone shows emotions, You're like, what do I do?
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: But they know they knew her and uplifted her and
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it was a beautiful thing to see. Yeah, that was
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts. And the documentary starts with
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a quote somewhere along the lines of like, this is
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the story no One's heart and they should have heard it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And I totally agree because when I for that episode,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: like I'd researched it, but watching this, I was like,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: look at what they accomplished by supporting each other, holding
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: each other up, talking um and just being so making
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that effort to take care of each other. And what
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: was really a horror situation. Like they stayed in that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: building for like twenty plus days and they had to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: come up with like betting situations and washing situations and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: food situation like all the stuff. And they did it
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: like they worked with other people. They made it happen.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: They checked in with everybody. They were looking into what
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: people needed. Um. One of my favorite parts that's also
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: kind of sad, is that they were able to get
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: around like the FBI tapping their phones by using side language.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Like they they just really came together. They coalesced, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: as we talked about in that A d A episode,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it was one of the first times where people with
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you know, disparate disabilities all came together and we're like, oh,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: we're all part of this community and this movement, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: we can work together and we see you, and this
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is inclusive, and it was very It was very, very powerful,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and I liked there was that threat of um, yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the people from Camp Janette finding each other and others
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: who hadn't gone to that camp being like once you
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: were friends of them, you're friends with all of them,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, and noother In fact, as you're talking
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: about it, the FBI listening in. Uh, there wasn't a
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: lot of coverage at one point in time, and but
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that one reporter stuck through. He made sure that this
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: was there. He was like, this is important. And then
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: when the strike happened, his story went global, uh and
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: finally got it out. But the fact that it was
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: still invisible with him doing so much, which was part
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of the breakdown that you see, uh for human and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: some of the leadership just really finding it disheartening because
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: people were ignoring it altogether because once again disabilities, Uh
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: maybe people in an ablest way uncomfortable, just as a reminder,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: just existing made people uncomfortable, so they would rather ignore it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And then you have big things like the Heraldo rivera
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: segment on the willow Brook Institutes which dramatized that which
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: it happened. I know that it happened, but it took
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it to such a level that it also was like, well,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: if it's not as climactic as this, is it getting
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: this attention. But it was interesting to see how how
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: they built that up at how things turned around and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: come back out and you know, combating this way or
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that way, um, and trying to get things accomplished. Uh.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: But that's you know, that's the history of this movement,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that's the history of many movements that you see it
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: going backwards and forwards and um being a distraction to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: being ignored, which happens a lot. But they would not
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: let that stop them, and I love that too. Um.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Of course within the movement as well, there was a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: huge growth in it, as we talked about, with it
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: being escalated. Finally with the reports, they couldn't really ignore
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: it anymore, thank god. Yeah, yeah, it really was amazing
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: or they were able to accomplish and what they were
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: determined to accomplish, like despite the adversity, there were so
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: many things I was watching, I was like wow. At
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: one point they had um Judith Human and some of
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the other leaders went to d C and they were
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: transported in the back of U haul chucks, like dark
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: moving trucks to get to the houses of leaders who
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: they wanted to talk to, and and just all of
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: these things two to be heard and to be seen,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and that did lead to this determination and that reporter
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and all of these other factors came together to lead
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to a growth in the movement and to lead to
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: more people being aware of it um and and things
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: like the cripple crawl that just really captured the nation's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: attention of like, okay, we cannot ignore this right now.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Well that's exactly. The growth was so big that, yeah,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: they had to They're like, they're not listening to us here.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: We've been here San diegos listening to us, but that's
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: not enough. Okay, we're going to go to d C.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Y'all stay here, We're going here. And that still was enough,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So they were starting to like go to home, so like,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna make you listen. The secretary at that point
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: in time had to go around the back and sneak
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: away from them because he couldn't confront them to the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: fact that he signed off in private, and it just
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: happened because he didn't want to acknowledge the fact, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: he tried to take some credit for it. We're not
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: going to give up to him. But also the fact
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that it did capture the attentions of the Senate of
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: at least a few senate who not only held hearings,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: but then you also sent like betting in such at
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: one point in time, the mayor came in support and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: talk to them as well. But it did get that
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: type of traction and had to grow to that point, uh,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to the point that one of the Senates who when
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: they were having the Senate hearing, the representative of the Secretary,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: who had no idea what was happening, got chased down
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: when he tried to ignore questions to come back about
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you better come and answer the questions like it was
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: such a powerful move to see activists like that to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: push to get those answers that they were determined to go.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: And of course, again we talked about the inclusion, but
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the intersectionality of it all the fact that we have
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: organizations with the civil rights movements when it comes to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the black civil rights movements, black panthers coming in um
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: making sure that they are not going to be pushed
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: out of the protests coming in and understanding if no
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: one else will when it comes to the rights that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: if one person, one group of people, one community is
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: left behind, everything can crumble. Yeah. Yeah, that was another
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: piece of this that was so good to see. Great
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: to see because you know, we're big proponents of intersectional
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: feminism here and this is one instance of it where
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: we're seeing like different groups of marginalized people fighting for rights,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: fighting for equality and equity coming together recognizing like if
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: if you don't have it, then it's not right, Like right,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: then I don't have it either. So that was really
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: great to see, like to see that support that was
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, asked for, but offered pretty openly,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: like yeah, all right, we'll help you, without the expectation
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of you have to give something back, the hope you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: know that will support each other. But it was it
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: was just nice to see, right and correct me if
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But I believe the person that turned to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the Black Panthers was a black woman, disabled woman. Um,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: she was like, I got this, we know where to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: go to, I know who will have our backs, and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: they said yes without hesitating, and they were the epitome
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of the intersexuality. This is where I am. I am
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a black woman with disabilities. I have hardly no ability
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to speak for myself. We have to push and I'm
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: going to do it this way. And she used her
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: voice to bring uh, two movements together. Of course we
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: don't see the full impact of both movements in this
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: specific documentary, but you see that this is an elevation
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and a big conversation of what true intersectionality and ally
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: ship can look like. Um, and I think it's really
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: important to remember how this has to get pushed forward.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Of course, again, as we are going through our own
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: moments and trying to push for activism and advocacy for ourselves.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It took years, it took decades to get to here,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and it's still not enough. And we want to talk
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: about that because that's exactly kind of where we sit,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: kind of how we've seen everything unfold and unraveled. And yeah,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: at one point in time, we see Reagan talking about
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: how this is costing too much and we need to backtrack,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and oh my god, you know this is not doing
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: what you think it is. It's not cost efficient. And yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: them really dismissing humans and individuals because they don't want
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to pay out to give them the same freedom and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: rights as those enabled bodies. And again when I say
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: abled bodies, we know that's not permanent. Um, and people
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: kind of forget that, as one reporter talks about she
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: was able bodied and then she was hit uh in
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: a car accident and lost that and realizing for the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: first time, oh my god, I never understood and here
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I am, and to really thrive in that instead of
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: becoming uh discouraged by it necessarily except for the fact
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that that disabled communities are set up to fail because
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: they're not given equal or equity in in this playing field. Absolutely, Yeah, um,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I thought her story. I'm glad it was included because
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: she was a good like before and after Oh I
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: didn't do any of the work and now I see
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: just to see that and and yeah, I that's one
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of the things that um, we did discuss in the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: A d F SO, but it's also something that we've
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: thought about a lot. I've thought about a lot. But
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: living in a capitalist society where how destructive that is
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to be told by like the President's United States, you
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: cost too much to have your to have your rights,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: your human rights. That's too expensive, Please go away, Like
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: that's abhorrence and disgusting and very harmful. Um, right, and
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: it is it is still a fight, like not at
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: all to diminish and the monumental things that they accomplished, um,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: which I think they would. You know, they've been outspoken
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like yes we did a d A, but we need
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: so much more. Like there is still so many instances
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: where it's sort of assumed like unless you complain, then
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: just go away, like don't don't make me use money
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in my business, uh, to make it more accessible. Yeah,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: there's so many conversations we need to have about how
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the capitalist ideals really really have set up many people
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: to feel most people to feel. Um. But we won't
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: necessarily go into that for this topic. But yeah, I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: think it's interesting to see the fact that human was
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: able to work in administration with the president of the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: time at the time and to build that up and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: then that position is that she she held has gone. Now, Um,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that's how little it's accounted for today, even though they
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: have made so much stride. And then I've already shown
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: how much of a positive impact it can have on
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a society as a whole when people with disabilities are
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: included and actually put on the same level as anybody
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: else to be able to be a part of this
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: decision making, this policy making, business decision making, how profitable
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: if we want to talk about it, or it's just
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: impactful it has on an environment as a whole. And
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of the problem is they the
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: solutions that are found are given a timetable instead of
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  Speaker 1: being restructured to actually change permanently. And that's problem for
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  Speaker 1: so many things. And that's why we have to keep
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  Speaker 1: going backwards and forwards and sideways in every way everywhere
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  Speaker 1: instead of continuing upward as you would have hoped. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important to see that. But it's also
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you seeing that them come back
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  Speaker 1: together and having the conversation and being able to have
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  Speaker 1: the conversation about why they fight, who they're fighting for,
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  Speaker 1: how it's impacted them, how it's impacted their community, how
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  Speaker 1: it can continue to impact, and how they can show
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think we forget this so often that
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  Speaker 1: there have been radicals and there have been revolutionaries from
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  Speaker 1: jump uh and unfortunately we still have to look at
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  Speaker 1: what they did to be as a reminder of how
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  Speaker 1: to push forward. That we have to see these historical
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  Speaker 1: contexts for the before and after and push the fight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was one of the most one of the most
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  Speaker 1: moving parts is in my opinion, at the end when
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  Speaker 1: they come together, they reunited the camp which is being
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  Speaker 1: bulldozed and turned into something else. Um. And they just
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  Speaker 1: have really heartfelt moments with each other. But they asked
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  Speaker 1: each other like did you ever think you were going
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  Speaker 1: to go to Berkeley and do this? And did you
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  Speaker 1: ever think you can go and do this? And they
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  Speaker 1: were all like no. Um. So I think as much
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  Speaker 1: work as we do continue to need to do, they
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  Speaker 1: did accomplish so much like along with the other people
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  Speaker 1: in the movement, other movements that helped UM, they really did.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this other day about I
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  Speaker 1: was watching some White House video and they had a
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  Speaker 1: a s L interpreter in it, and I was like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: when they were when they were growing up, that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a thing like that just wasn't thought of, wasn't cared about.
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  Speaker 1: And it's still a fight, absolutely, but it was. It
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  Speaker 1: was very eye opening to me to see kind of
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  Speaker 1: the like before and after, right. Yeah, And that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the big things I love that I love seeing
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  Speaker 1: a s L for concert goers when they do show
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  Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things, yes, but also just
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  Speaker 1: a reminder um when it becomes for those who are
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  Speaker 1: able bodied, Uh, you know, there's many of us with
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: invisible disabilities and we can't ignore that. And they talk
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: about this a lot too within that documentary because they
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  Speaker 1: understand that better than anyone. As well. We know that
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  Speaker 1: there's complex disabilities where they're more than one disabilities in
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: a person. As well as the fact that they talked
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: about trying to sustain like we got to see and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: we didn't talk much about it then what an independent
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  Speaker 1: living situation could have been for them and how they
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: as the disabled, were able to know their needs and
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  Speaker 1: I think that's something we forget too often. And we
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  Speaker 1: have to mind ourselves as if we were going to
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  Speaker 1: be called allies again, this is one of those terms
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we can give to ourselves. It has
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  Speaker 1: to be given by the community who is saying that
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  Speaker 1: you are an allied to us. But to be there
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  Speaker 1: is to remember that they are in the lead, and
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  Speaker 1: then we need to follow their lead. Period. So when
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  Speaker 1: they say there's problems with the A d A, we
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  Speaker 1: need to look at why and and see the research
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  Speaker 1: that they're talking about and take that on as to Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is a problem that they shouldn't be getting crumbs,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: they should be getting everything. Um. As well as when
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: we see and I've seen this, Uh, we haven't talked
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  Speaker 1: about this in TikTok. There's a debate about as L
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and subtitles and the intersectionality of it. We need to
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  Speaker 1: have that, we need we need to follow those in
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  Speaker 1: that place, in that community and not take on the
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: battle as if as ours and we know better because
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: we don't. Um. There's a conversation about if you truly
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: want to learn a s L, that's great, maybe look
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to uh the actual deaf community who are willing to
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  Speaker 1: teach um. And there are those out there who are
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  Speaker 1: teaching because they know it best. And I think it's
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  Speaker 1: something that we have to remember as well, because we
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be misled and being taught something inappropriate. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, but there was that huge debate about that
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  Speaker 1: and also how we are taking away work for those
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: in the communities who can teach much better. Uh. So,
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  Speaker 1: so many things in this that we have to be
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  Speaker 1: reminded of because this is eye opening and it shouldn't
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: be about pity or it shouldn't be about like watching
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  Speaker 1: to be a savior for Annymoe just but to truly
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  Speaker 1: understand and learn and that if we do want to
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  Speaker 1: be advocates to once again remember they're already those out
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  Speaker 1: there in front and those are the ones that we
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: need to look at because they've lived that life. Yes,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: they've been doing the work. Yeah. So highly recommend this
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: movie if you haven't watched it, it is on Netflix. Um, yes,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and we suggest that you do. Uh. And in the meantime,
• 41:52
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