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The Kenny Report | 26 May · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Rot Tonight, more isis brides and their children arrive
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Speaker 2: back into our country, and still more to arrive.
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Speaker 1: In about half an hour.
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Speaker 2: This while disturbing new evidence at the Bondi Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: suggests police took the Islamus terror threat against Jewish events
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Speaker 2: far too lightly.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister still.
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Speaker 2: Stuck defending his budget and his broken promises. Climate Minister
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen claims his energy policies are working as he
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Speaker 2: spends up big on climate talkfests. Tim Blair will join
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Speaker 2: me and in the US Christen Tate on Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: insisting Iran will not keep its nuclear materials. Plus Stephen
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Speaker 2: and Susi on all of that, plus drones down.
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Speaker 1: At the Vivid Festival. Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: The biggest story in national affairs at the moment is
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Speaker 2: how the government's budget will kill aspiration and investment in
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Speaker 2: this country. So for now I want to keep highlighting
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Speaker 2: what lying, conniving economic vandals Anthony Albanezi and Jim Charmers
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Speaker 2: have turned out to be. They're like GoF whitlerm and
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Speaker 2: Jim Cans without the wit and without the care can
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Speaker 2: you rule out any changes to negative gearing and capital
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Speaker 2: gains tests?
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Speaker 1: How hard is it for the fiftieth time now? When
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Speaker 1: it comes to negative gearing.
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Speaker 3: We've made it very clear that that's not something that
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Speaker 3: we are proposing.
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Speaker 4: I told people we wouldn't make changes the proofs in
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Speaker 4: the Putting.
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Speaker 1: Andrew negative gearing is off the table. Yeah, it's off
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Speaker 1: the table. Negative gearing. Is it really off the agenda
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Speaker 1: or not? It's off the agenda rus. We've made that
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Speaker 1: really clear.
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Speaker 2: Who will invest in businesses in Australia when they're forced
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Speaker 2: to pay near enough to half.
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Speaker 1: Of all they gain in tax?
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Speaker 2: Those on incomes thinking about starting a small business might
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Speaker 2: not bother. Those with capital to invest will probably invest elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: It's deeply worrying at a time of great economic uncertainty
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Speaker 2: and slowing and a slowing economy. And that's on top
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Speaker 2: of the broken promises and blatant lies that make Albo
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Speaker 2: look hollow.
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Speaker 4: My word is my bond, My word is my bond.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has become a parody of himself. He's
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Speaker 2: in serious political strife, deep enough that he'll soon have
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Speaker 2: to backflip or deliver some carve outs on some of
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Speaker 2: his new measures.
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, what happened to my word is my bond?
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Speaker 4: And the changes of course to capital gains tax, of course,
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Speaker 4: will result in different outcomes for different businesses.
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Speaker 2: Different outcomes that they'll all be worse off. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the government will take more this labor government wants more
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Speaker 2: of other people's money to keep up its spending. But
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Speaker 2: you have to wonder at the shamelessness of the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister when he had to go at the opposition over honesty.
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Speaker 4: The premise of the question is completely wrong and what
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Speaker 4: is not appropriate?
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Speaker 1: Is it coming here?
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Speaker 4: And you spread this sort of information through the Parliament
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Speaker 4: of Australia.
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Speaker 1: Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
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Speaker 2: But then you all know about albans and accountability and responsibility. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: many of you have been asking for a reprise of
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Speaker 2: his theme song and it does seem to be particularly
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Speaker 2: appropriate right now. Yeah, it's an irresponsible budget, but don't
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Speaker 2: expect Albanisian charmers to accept responsibility for its implications. As edit,
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Speaker 2: they'll find something or someone else to blame. Want to
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Speaker 2: talk broken promises? You can't ignore power prices. Sky high
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Speaker 2: electricity prices are adding to household costs, driving up the
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Speaker 2: cost of living. They're driving up the cost of business
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Speaker 2: and transport, therefore fueling inflation and again worsening the cost
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Speaker 2: of living and then helping up to drive helping to
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Speaker 2: drive up interest rates, and that of course further fuels
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Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis. And all this forces more
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Speaker 2: investment and opportunities offshore, thereby exacerbating our economic pain. It's
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Speaker 2: a hell of a mess.
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Speaker 1: Since the Aberdezi Labor government.
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Speaker 2: Was elected, annual household power prices have risen by at
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Speaker 2: least one hundred dollars or more likely a one thousand dollars,
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Speaker 2: depending on where you are in the country and what
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Speaker 2: sort of a plan you're on. And of course what
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Speaker 2: Labor promised was the opposite. They promised they'd be about
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Speaker 2: these prices would be about one thousand dollars to twelve
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars lower than they actually are today.
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Speaker 4: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 5: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 6: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars a.
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Speaker 2: Year, So it was pretty amusing to observe Chris Bowen's
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Speaker 2: hutzpa today when he desperately tried to squeeze in some
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Speaker 2: good news at the end of an interview.
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Speaker 7: Thank you very much, minister, I appreciate your time this morning.
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Speaker 5: Great and we also have energy price reductions out today
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Speaker 5: which shows our plan for renewble energy and for better
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Speaker 5: pricing for Australians. He's working.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the little fellow wanted to squeeze in his power
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Speaker 2: price news, didn't he. Benchmark power prices will full by
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Speaker 2: about ten percent from July or five percent in Victorian,
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Speaker 2: which means they'll still have gone up by three or four,
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Speaker 2: three or four times what Labor promised that fall.
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Speaker 1: Prices will need to fall about ten percent.
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Speaker 2: A year for at least four or five years for
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Speaker 2: Labor to deliver what they promised to deliver for last year. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: the chances of that happening are about as high as
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Speaker 2: me spending a weekend at Elbow's beach house. And the
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Speaker 2: problem is that Labour's spent billions of dollars of taxpayers
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Speaker 2: money subsidizing batteries and other renewable projects to even get
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Speaker 2: this far. So not only is our electricity expensive, the
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Speaker 2: system is just unsustainable. The old Laddell power station in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales went the way of many other coal
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Speaker 2: fired electricity generators. Today it's always quite the site, hasn't
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Speaker 2: it to see a demolition job like that. The bottom line, however,
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Speaker 2: is we still don't have the base load power to
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Speaker 2: replace generators like Liddell, and our electricity is still far
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Speaker 2: more expensive than when Cole ruled on its own without
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Speaker 2: all the subsidies and preferences for renewables. On some days
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Speaker 2: last week more than eighty percent of New South Wales
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Speaker 2: power came from Cole. Still, where it's going to come
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Speaker 2: from in the future and how much it's going to
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Speaker 2: cost is anyone's gifts.
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Speaker 1: Just on the climate and an energy minister.
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Speaker 2: As we've discussed before, he's very excited to be the
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Speaker 2: joint chair or president of the Conference of Parties the
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Speaker 2: annual United Nations cop Climate Talks. You and gabfest on
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Speaker 2: climate evangelism is right up his alley. Chris Bowen missed
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Speaker 2: out on hosting the event, but he's still running around
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Speaker 2: as part of the process, and the early figures show
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Speaker 2: his public servants are enjoying the challenge.
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Speaker 7: People are tightening their Belts and then they pick up
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Speaker 7: the paper this morning and they read that your guys
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Speaker 7: and women spent four hundred and eighty five six hundred
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Speaker 7: and two dollars on trips to Turkey, Fiji, Germany and Korea?
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Speaker 7: Was that just in January and February? And did they
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Speaker 7: all fly business class?
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Speaker 5: They would have flown the normal standard of travel for
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Speaker 5: public servantship, which is business class, which is the same
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Speaker 5: under all governments.
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Speaker 7: And again even to Fiji that's three hours from Sydney.
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Speaker 5: Well and again like yes, Scott Morrison took thirty people
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Speaker 5: to cop in Geisco Belts had no influence, It had
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Speaker 5: no influence.
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Speaker 7: Talk about now, you know you guys have been in
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Speaker 7: for four years, so it's probably good to talk about you.
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Speaker 7: So do you think it's appropriate for public servants to
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Speaker 7: be flying business class on a three or four from.
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Speaker 5: Look, there's always there's always a value for there's always
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Speaker 5: a value for money assessment given to every travel you know,
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Speaker 5: whether they should go, whether it can be done virtually,
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Speaker 5: et cetera.
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Speaker 2: On the back of the cost of living crisis, power
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Speaker 2: price strife and a shocking budget, you get the sense
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Speaker 2: that many in the media have started to tire of
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Speaker 2: the likes of Bowen and their cocky attitudes, because there
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Speaker 2: are two things that we've learned climate warriors never care about.
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Speaker 2: That is the cost to taxpayers for all their campaigning,
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Speaker 2: and of course the carbon footprint they leave in their
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Speaker 2: jet trails. Let's go straight to Georgie Diggison at Melbourne Airport,
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Speaker 2: where two Isis brides and seven children landed a short
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Speaker 2: time ago on a Qatar Airways flight from Doe. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining us, Georgie. Tell us about what's unfolded there.
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Speaker 2: As much of a reception in terms of greeting this
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Speaker 2: group of Isis families.
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Speaker 8: Well, it certainly is a lot less than what we
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Speaker 8: saw at the start of May when we had this
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Speaker 8: large cohort of people waiting to meet the first group
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Speaker 8: of Isis Bryans once they landed here from Doha. At
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Speaker 8: the moment, we've just seen a few officers making their
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Speaker 8: way here, a few federal police.
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Speaker 9: It is.
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Speaker 8: We're not clear exactly if they will be making their
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Speaker 8: way just out of the exit of the international terminal
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Speaker 8: or if they will be taken through a back exit.
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Speaker 8: But what we do know is that those two women
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Speaker 8: and seven of their children are the ones that are
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Speaker 8: going to be making here landing here in Australia today,
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Speaker 8: Corsa Kanj and Kirsty ross Emil are the two women.
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Speaker 8: Now we do know more details around Kirsty. She first
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Speaker 8: moved to Syria with her husband, who went on to
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Speaker 8: be in Islamic State fight, so she was only nineteen
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Speaker 8: years old when she did travel over to Syria. Has
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Speaker 8: since had his Australian citizenship removed. She has two children
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Speaker 8: and she is believed to be on this flight that
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Speaker 8: landed at just past four thirty this afternoon. Now, the
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Speaker 8: government has maintained that they are not providing assistance to
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Speaker 8: these women. It is believed though that these women, as
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Speaker 8: we saw the first group had landed here, they had
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Speaker 8: their own security guards to meet them here behind us.
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Speaker 8: So at the moment we're essentially just waiting here to
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Speaker 8: see if they are going to come out of this exit.
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Speaker 8: A few moments ago we saw some people from that
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Speaker 8: Catarh flight actually make their way through security, so it
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Speaker 8: is unclear exactly if they will be questioned. Obviously, that
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Speaker 8: first group that did make their way, two of those
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Speaker 8: women were eventually arrested. Now, state musician leader has slammed
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Speaker 8: to the government.
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Speaker 1: Yes, ta key, Georgie.
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Speaker 2: Do we know whether or not there will be any
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Speaker 2: arrest here these two women seven children.
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Speaker 1: Obviously they won't be arrested.
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Speaker 2: But any word on whether either of these two women
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Speaker 2: will be arrested.
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Speaker 8: It is still not clear at this stage, Chris. They
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Speaker 8: are going as was with those first two women. If
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Speaker 8: they are questioned, we will later find out from police,
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Speaker 8: but at this stage police are being tight lipped around
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Speaker 8: exact movements. Once these women make their way off the
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Speaker 8: plane tonight.
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Speaker 2: Great stuff, Georgia Dickinson, appreciated. Georgia Dickinson reporting live there
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Speaker 2: from Melbourne Airport. Two women and seven children on the
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Speaker 2: ground there as as she mentioned, we're waiting a flight
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Speaker 2: to land in Sydney in the next half hour or
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Speaker 2: so and on board that flight will be four ISIS
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Speaker 2: women and six children. Will cross the Sydney airport later
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Speaker 2: in the bulletin and bring that to you. But while
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Speaker 2: this all unfolds at Melbourne and Sydney airport's the understandable
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Speaker 2: concerns around national national security mount of course around those
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Speaker 2: ISIS families returning to Australia. But at the same time
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Speaker 2: the Bondai terror attack. Royal Commission heard evidence today about
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Speaker 2: how a police commander with responsibility over Bondai had not
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Speaker 2: properly read an email from a Jewish security group requesting
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Speaker 2: a permanent police presence at the Hanaker event, but she
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Speaker 2: ultimately agreed with her subordinate's decision to refuse that plea. Now,
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Speaker 2: Senior reporter Caroline Marcus has been at the hearings of
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Speaker 2: the Royal Commission all along. Caroline has been great to
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Speaker 2: see your reporting of everything that's happening there at the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission.
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Speaker 1: But this was astounding today.
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Speaker 2: It just seems like the Bondai police didn't really take
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Speaker 2: the threat of terrorism against that Hanaker event seriously enough.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 10: Their defense about how they policed that event was that
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Speaker 10: they did not have any knowledge of a specific threat
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Speaker 10: at that event, and that is how they say they
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Speaker 10: informed their policing decisions. Now, in the past previous couple
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Speaker 10: of years, there had been a lot more police, but
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Speaker 10: there had also been more violent anti Submitic crimes in
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Speaker 10: the community after October seven, in particular, over the summer
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Speaker 10: Summer of Terror, as it's now called. Made this decision
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Speaker 10: despite getting a direct request from the Jewish Community Security
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Speaker 10: Group to have a permanent police presence enforced at the event.
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Speaker 1: They decided no.
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Speaker 10: Instead of that, we will station a few officers, not
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Speaker 10: station them, have them roam around and drop in on
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Speaker 10: the event from time to time. It's called mobile tasking.
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Speaker 2: There's an email, isn't there where they're actually make clear
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Speaker 2: that the police don't need to stay there.
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Speaker 1: Can we have a look at that? Yeah.
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Speaker 10: The Operations Inspector at the Eastern sumb Police Air Recommander
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Speaker 10: wrote this email to officers saying, please take a crew
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Speaker 10: car or two with you and provide a high visibility
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Speaker 10: police presence. No need to stay the entire duration, but
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Speaker 10: your presence will ensure the community feels safe. Now he
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Speaker 10: had direct responsibility over that decision. He was asked on
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Speaker 10: the phone by the CSG to provide the static police
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Speaker 10: presence high visibility, but ultimately made the decision or two.
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Speaker 10: Now he doesn't have to give evidence to the Royal Commission,
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Speaker 10: and we won't know why because the Royal Commission will
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Speaker 10: not publicly disclose the reason. They have said he doesn't
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Speaker 10: need to. But his commander, who was allowed to appear
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Speaker 10: under pseudonym, so we kind of identify her. His commander
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Speaker 10: of the Police Areic Command did give evidence today at
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Speaker 10: length for three hours. She was questioned largely about this decision,
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Speaker 10: and she said that she didn't read an email that
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Speaker 10: she was included on from the CSG making that request
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Speaker 10: in full at the time, but it may not have
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Speaker 10: changed her mind even if she did, and she defended
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Speaker 10: Take a look, she defended this officer of hers his
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Speaker 10: decision to refuse that request.
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Speaker 11: His planning was sound based on the fact that there
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Speaker 11: was no direct threat to the event. We applied the
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Speaker 11: resources that we believed appropriate at the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, there's a long way to go in the
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Speaker 1: Royal Commission.
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Speaker 2: No one wants to want to no one wants to
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Speaker 2: pin any fail on one individual person. But it seems
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Speaker 2: generally the idea was to provide enough policing to assuage
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Speaker 2: the community, to make them feel secure.
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Speaker 1: They're not taking the threat seriously enough.
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Speaker 2: Now we're all around through the last two and a
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Speaker 2: half years, it astounds me that in the climate we
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Speaker 2: had leading up to Bondi, that they didn't see permanent
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Speaker 2: police presence at a Jewish festival to be absolutely mandatory,
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Speaker 2: not just to make the community feel safe, but to
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Speaker 2: dissuade and repel any terror attacks.
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Speaker 10: Well, they already provide the highest tier of policing for
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Speaker 10: Jewish holiday so things like Jon Kapor and events where
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Speaker 10: Jewish Australians will be walking to and from synagogue. But
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Speaker 10: they decided this was only a Tier one event, the
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Speaker 10: lowest level of policing. Another person, the Assistant Commissioner, Peter McKenna,
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Speaker 10: also defended that decision from the Commander and the Operations
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Speaker 10: Inspector and said, well, we're not security guards. We can't
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Speaker 10: have police stationed permanently outside events. He said an attack
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Speaker 10: could equally happened at Pitt Street Mall than Sydney, a
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Speaker 10: very busy war And yet ASIO had put out an
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Speaker 10: assessment after the Onkapoor attack in Manchester saying that there
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Speaker 10: was a continuing threat against Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 1: The terror alert was probable, it was high.
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Speaker 2: Jewish people and Jewish community facilities were targets internationally and
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Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Yet they did this at Bondo well exactly.
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Speaker 10: And if you look at pictures which I've obtained showing
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Speaker 10: what the event looked like back in twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 10: it's shows a really high police presence. There's half a
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Speaker 10: dozen police officers just outside the penning Zu alone. I
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Speaker 10: think we've got some of these here. I mean you
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Speaker 10: can see that they're stationed there. But they were helped
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Speaker 10: by another task force, the commander said, Operation Shelter, which
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Speaker 10: had almost completely disbanded by the time of the Bondo
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Speaker 10: attack and started again. Now, of course, now the Royal
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Speaker 10: Commission will have to decide, Chris, if these decisions about
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Speaker 10: policing would have had an impact. It's difficult to see
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Speaker 10: how they wouldn't. As you say, it might just have
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Speaker 10: deterred the government, possibly just to see a big police
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Speaker 10: presence there. But we heard more detail about how quickly
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Speaker 10: this all unfolded and how long it took to stop
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Speaker 10: The government was by killing one of them and arresting
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Speaker 10: the other.
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Speaker 6: Take look, in the first thirty seconds, eleven people were shot.
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Speaker 6: Ten of those people.
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Speaker 12: Were How long was it before one of the shooters
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Speaker 12: was shot by police?
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Speaker 6: Four minutes and fifty five seconds was when one of
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Speaker 6: them was fatally shot, and seven minutes and forty one
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Speaker 6: seconds before the second was shot and apprehended.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see.
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Speaker 2: It's just disturbing evidence because common sense tells you if
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Speaker 2: there were more armed police there at the time, some
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Speaker 2: of this could have happened more quickly. Thanks for dropping by, Caroline,
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Speaker 2: really appreciate it and look forward to more of your
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Speaker 2: reporting from the Royal Commission. I want to go to
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Speaker 2: Canberra now and catch up with Dave Sharma. He's the
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Speaker 2: Shadow Assistant Minister for Citizenship.
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Speaker 1: Joins us Life from Parliament House. Dave, just before we.
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Speaker 2: Move on to other issues, I want to get you
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Speaker 2: thoughts on what we're hearing from this Bondi Royal Commission.
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Speaker 2: That seems blatantly obvious that the police commitment to that
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Speaker 2: Hanneker festival was not adequate.
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Speaker 13: Look what I've heard today, Chris is concerning. You know,
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Speaker 13: I don't want to rush to judgment it, and obviously
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Speaker 13: the Royal Commission has a long way to go, and
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Speaker 13: I would make the point that if there was no
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Speaker 13: Royal Commission.
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Speaker 1: Happening, we wouldn't be hearing or learning any of this.
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Speaker 13: But you know, prima facie, there's a lot of cause
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Speaker 13: for concern. I mean, we heard Mike Burgess, the Director
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Speaker 13: General of Asia, yesterday saying his resources were stretched in
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Speaker 13: dealing with this terrorist threat. We've heard evidence earlier in
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Speaker 13: the week that there was a lack of coordination information
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Speaker 13: sharing potentially between federal intelligence agencies and New South Wales Police,
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Speaker 13: and then the decision yesterday that was revealed today for
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Speaker 13: the police not to provide the level of presence and
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Speaker 13: security requested by the CSG, which is the sort of
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Speaker 13: the security group that provides security to Jewish communal facilities
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Speaker 13: and events. You know, it's another cause of concern. Like
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Speaker 13: I said, you know, I don't want to rush to judgment.
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Speaker 13: There's a lot more evidence to be heard, but it
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Speaker 13: seems pretty clear that there have been some breakdowns that
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Speaker 13: have happened here and some areas that we need to remedy,
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Speaker 13: especially when we all knew that the threat level to
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Speaker 13: the Jewish community was high. At the terrorist threat level
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Speaker 13: in Australia was probably the obvious targets were always going
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Speaker 13: to be Jewish community facilities and.
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Speaker 1: Events yea, and there had been it was more done.
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Speaker 1: We can't allow people to rewrite history here.
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Speaker 2: This came on the back of two years of rising
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Speaker 2: Islamist extremism and anti Semitic threats, some of them.
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Speaker 1: Had occurred at Bondai.
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Speaker 2: There are large Jewish communities at Bondai that were feeling
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Speaker 2: the heat. You know, anybody who's a where those areas
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Speaker 2: know about the security that was being used and pleaded for,
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Speaker 2: and yet we have an event like that treated in
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Speaker 2: such a flippant manner. You know, make sure you're there
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Speaker 2: for a while, don't need to stick a just make
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Speaker 2: sure they see you to make them feel safe.
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Speaker 1: It's to use the word.
21:05
Speaker 2: Disappointing is a great understatement. I need to ask you,
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma. Particularly then with this happening in the background,
21:13
Speaker 2: we're seeing more Isis families come into Australia. Two more
21:17
Speaker 2: women tonight in Melbourne with their seven children, and four
21:22
Speaker 2: women will arrive any moment now in Sydney with another
21:25
Speaker 2: six children. Surely if one of these women there is
21:29
Speaker 2: another woman who was blocked from coming into Australia with
21:32
Speaker 2: a temporary exclusion order, she's now back in serious Surely
21:36
Speaker 2: if one of them could be blocked, all of them
21:40
Speaker 2: could have been blocked.
21:42
Speaker 1: Well yeah, look that's right.
21:43
Speaker 13: The temporary exclusion orders are available to be used by
21:46
Speaker 13: the government. The issuing of passports is a conscious decision
21:49
Speaker 13: the government had to take, and they can deny the
21:51
Speaker 13: issuing of passports on the basis of advice from security authorities.
21:56
Speaker 13: None of those steps have been taken. And as you
21:58
Speaker 13: point out, as we've just been discussed, we were coming
22:00
Speaker 13: into an environment where the threat of a terrorist attack
22:04
Speaker 13: in Australia remains probable. At the higher end of things,
22:07
Speaker 13: you'd think that allowing these people to come back to
22:09
Speaker 13: Australia is only going to know for mental possibly promote
22:14
Speaker 13: radicalism amongst certain circles in Australia. And you know, we
22:18
Speaker 13: heard from the Director General of Security just yesterday that
22:20
Speaker 13: we are already stretched, our intelligence agents is already stretched
22:24
Speaker 13: in dealing with these threats.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's astonishing, isn't it.
22:27
Speaker 2: I just want to show you what we heard today
22:30
Speaker 2: from doctor Jamal Riffi, who's the Australian doctor who's been
22:33
Speaker 2: instrumental in helping these women come back to Australia. He says,
22:37
Speaker 2: bringing these families back here will make how safe.
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Speaker 14: I have a look the consequences of their prudence, awful decision.
22:46
Speaker 14: It's not their fault. They are entitled for safety and
22:49
Speaker 14: security and I believe all of Australian are safer and
22:53
Speaker 14: more secure ones than everyone of those kids are here.
22:56
Speaker 14: It's much easier for all security agencies also to monitor
23:01
Speaker 14: them and if they needed to go through any the
23:04
Speaker 14: radicalization or whatever, they can't do much easier and much cheaper.
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Speaker 2: How can we be safer having possibly radicalized people back here?
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Speaker 13: I think it's a complete non secutor. I just don't
23:20
Speaker 13: think it makes any sense. And the resources, the resources
23:24
Speaker 13: of the intelligence and security community needs to ensure the
23:29
Speaker 13: level of safety of Australia. When these people are allowed back,
23:32
Speaker 13: you know, it goes up by an order a five
23:34
Speaker 13: or sixfold.
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Speaker 1: You know for each individual.
23:36
Speaker 13: This is not a cost free or resource free exercise
23:39
Speaker 13: at a time when you know, we've already heard about
23:41
Speaker 13: some failings and shortcomings that precipitated or proceeded at least
23:45
Speaker 13: the Bondi terrorist massacre in descemb But why are we
23:48
Speaker 13: raising the threat level? Why are we importing more risk
23:52
Speaker 13: at a time when we are already struggling to deal
23:53
Speaker 13: with the environment.
23:54
Speaker 2: We've got spot on. Dave Sharma, thanks so much for
23:57
Speaker 2: joining us. Appreciate it. Liberal Centative for New Southwes. Dave
24:00
Speaker 2: Shamba their live from Queensland. We're going to take to
24:02
Speaker 2: a we better get to a break on the other side,
24:05
Speaker 2: We'll talk about the Climate Minister and his claims that
24:07
Speaker 2: his policies are working for the benefit of all of us.
24:10
Speaker 2: Tim Blair will join me. Two Isis brides and seven
24:18
Speaker 2: children have just landed in Melbourne. We will cross to
24:21
Speaker 2: Sydney Airport soon where another four Isis women and six
24:25
Speaker 2: children are due to land any minute. Let's go to
24:28
Speaker 2: Tim Blair from the Daily Talidating Telegraph joins us in
24:31
Speaker 2: Western Victoria and Tim, you'll be pleased to have heard
24:34
Speaker 2: today that Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen is claiming
24:37
Speaker 2: victory in the in the in the renewable revolution.
24:42
Speaker 12: Isn't this exactly what the age trip'll see was dealing
24:46
Speaker 12: with the supermarket prices lately. Supermarkets, as you recall from
24:49
Speaker 12: last week, jacked their prices up and then gave false
24:53
Speaker 12: discounts to get the impression that they were being really good.
24:55
Speaker 12: This is exactly what Chris bow was talking about. We
24:58
Speaker 12: had electricity prices going up, or energy for us as
25:00
Speaker 12: going up more than thirty five forty percent since labor
25:03
Speaker 12: came in, and now we get a ten percent promised reduction.
25:07
Speaker 12: That is exactly the sort of false Just get the
25:09
Speaker 12: agentle these should be all over Yeah.
25:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yet Chris Bowen, as is his one, jumps on
25:16
Speaker 2: to social media today.
25:17
Speaker 1: I have a look at this.
25:20
Speaker 5: Bills are coming down, not because we're lucky, but because
25:24
Speaker 5: the plan is working.
25:27
Speaker 2: It's so wonderful, isn't it, so we can all look
25:31
Speaker 2: forward to reliable and cheap energy.
25:34
Speaker 1: Into the future. Apparently he's kidding himself, isn't it.
25:38
Speaker 12: Just look at the numbers you see on your next
25:40
Speaker 12: power bill and then ask yourself if what the Energy
25:44
Speaker 12: Minister is saying is true, because it isn't. We all
25:47
Speaker 12: know the direction they've been going. We've all seen it,
25:49
Speaker 12: we've all experienced it, and for him to be claiming
25:52
Speaker 12: victory now on a partial discount after all these increases
25:56
Speaker 12: is obscene.
25:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great worry too, because I want to
25:59
Speaker 2: show again we always love the demolition pictures, but have
26:03
Speaker 2: a look at the old coal fired power station biting
26:05
Speaker 2: the dust at Ladell today.
26:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, down they go.
26:31
Speaker 2: It would be terrific if a brand new nuclear power
26:33
Speaker 2: station was being built in the same spot to feed
26:36
Speaker 2: the transmission lines. But the trouble is they blow these
26:39
Speaker 2: things up like they did.
26:41
Speaker 1: At Port Agusta in South Australia.
26:43
Speaker 2: We'll see some pictures of that demolition and within a
26:46
Speaker 2: year or two they have statewide blackouts and they wish
26:48
Speaker 2: they had some more base load power.
26:50
Speaker 12: Well, you know, but we shouldn't be we shouldn't be
26:52
Speaker 12: pessimistic here. We should look on the bright side, which
26:55
Speaker 12: is that the wind turbines that will be replacing these
26:59
Speaker 12: reliable and cheap powers, they often blow themselves up. So
27:02
Speaker 12: you know, it's all good.
27:04
Speaker 1: It's all good.
27:05
Speaker 2: It's all got to be just fine. Don't worry. Chris
27:08
Speaker 2: Bowen's got it under control. Thanks for joining us, Tim.
27:10
Speaker 2: We're going to jump out early, Tim Blair, they're ready.
27:12
Speaker 2: Stuff in the Daily Telegraph, because I want to go
27:14
Speaker 2: live to these pictures from Sydney Airport where you can
27:17
Speaker 2: see Qatar Airways flight nine to eight inbound from Doha.
27:22
Speaker 2: On board are four Isis brides and six children. It's
27:27
Speaker 2: about to land at Sydney Airport after two women and
27:32
Speaker 2: seven children landed earlier in Melbourne. Let's go to Sky
27:35
Speaker 2: News reporter Matt Taylor at Sydney Airport to tell us
27:39
Speaker 2: what we're expecting to see once they land.
27:41
Speaker 15: Matten breaking news some developments just in the last little
27:47
Speaker 15: while about arrests when these Isis brides land. According to
27:52
Speaker 15: the Federal Police, there will be no arrest made upon
27:55
Speaker 15: their arrival at Sydney Airport this evening, and said government
27:58
Speaker 15: health assistance will be to these four women and six
28:03
Speaker 15: children upon their arrival by the DCJ. If they take
28:07
Speaker 15: up the government assistance, they will then be escorted outside
28:10
Speaker 15: of the airport privately to go and have that health
28:13
Speaker 15: screening and health check and will not emerge from the
28:16
Speaker 15: arrivals corridor behind me. But as you say, that aircraft
28:19
Speaker 15: just touching down here after that thirteen fourteen hour flight
28:23
Speaker 15: from Doha, QR flight nine zero eight with those four
28:28
Speaker 15: women and six in six children on board. Now we've
28:33
Speaker 15: got some more details about who these women are, hi
28:35
Speaker 15: am Rad Nazarene Amina and Samaya Zaheb as well. So
28:41
Speaker 15: we're potentially anticipating that the women will arrive from the
28:44
Speaker 15: arrivals corridor behind me if they decline that health screening,
28:48
Speaker 15: that government health screening that they've been offering. And there's
28:51
Speaker 15: a larger police presence building around here in the arrivals
28:54
Speaker 15: hall as well. So that's the breaking developments that we've
28:58
Speaker 15: had just in the last few minutes. As well from
29:00
Speaker 15: the AFP that there will be no arrests made at
29:03
Speaker 15: this stage. When these four women and six children do
29:06
Speaker 15: touchdown in city, they'll be offered government health assistance. If
29:09
Speaker 15: they take up the government health assistants offer, they'll be
29:12
Speaker 15: escorted out of the airport via a different avenue rather
29:16
Speaker 15: than the arrivals hall behind me, which is getting quite
29:18
Speaker 15: busy now, given that we're getting into that peak hour
29:21
Speaker 15: rush time when a lot of flights are arriving. But Chris,
29:24
Speaker 15: that's the breaking news that we have for now.
29:26
Speaker 1: Matt a couple of questions about that.
29:28
Speaker 2: Obviously, it sounds like they're giving them this health check
29:31
Speaker 2: offer so that they are given an opportunity to avoid
29:34
Speaker 2: the media and the public rock house there.
29:37
Speaker 1: We'll see if that happens.
29:38
Speaker 2: And your information about arrests is very important. Does that
29:43
Speaker 2: apply to the two women who arrived in Melbourne as well?
29:46
Speaker 1: Do you know that none of the.
29:48
Speaker 2: Six adults are being arrested or is your information only
29:52
Speaker 2: relating to the four adults landing in Sydney.
29:56
Speaker 15: My information is related to Sydney at this point in time.
29:59
Speaker 15: There was an any greater clarification given. But Skine is
30:03
Speaker 15: understanding that there will be no arrest here in Sydney.
30:07
Speaker 15: What we have also been told though, is if they
30:09
Speaker 15: decide not to take up those health checks to evade
30:12
Speaker 15: the media, that they will come out this exit behind me.
30:15
Speaker 15: I'm just going to move out of the way so
30:16
Speaker 15: you can see what we're anticipating here. Obviously a very
30:19
Speaker 15: large media presence, police presence a little bit further away
30:22
Speaker 15: from where we are, but we were also told that
30:25
Speaker 15: we should anticipate the possibility of family members coming to
30:29
Speaker 15: meet them here in the arrivals hall. It does not
30:31
Speaker 15: appear at this stage as though there are family members
30:35
Speaker 15: are waiting, so potentially this has been orchestrated, perhaps in
30:39
Speaker 15: the lead up to their arrival, that they will be
30:40
Speaker 15: offered this health check and then can potentially evade the
30:43
Speaker 15: media and others waiting here in the arrivals hall.
30:46
Speaker 2: Great stuff, Matt, thanks for the update. Matt Taylor Vere
30:48
Speaker 2: at Sydney Airport. Obviously will update the situation throughout the
30:52
Speaker 2: night here on Sky News. But at the moment six
30:56
Speaker 2: adult women have landed in Australia, two in Melbourne, in Sydney,
31:01
Speaker 2: and all together thirteen children as well, so quite a
31:06
Speaker 2: big influx.
31:06
Speaker 1: Now we're going to take a break.
31:08
Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll get back into the Prime
31:10
Speaker 2: Minister trying to defend this shocking budget of broken promises
31:13
Speaker 2: and lies.
31:14
Speaker 1: The Shadow Finance Minister Claire Chandler will join me.
31:23
Speaker 2: Let's get back to this god awful budget and to
31:26
Speaker 2: go to Canberra where I'm joined by Shadow Finance Minister
31:29
Speaker 2: Claire Chandler. Claire, thanks for joining us. Just bring us
31:32
Speaker 2: up to speed here. Isn't really the case that Anthony
31:36
Speaker 2: Albinezi and Jim Charmers is going to bring in these
31:38
Speaker 2: controversial tax tax changes to Parliament on Thursday and try
31:45
Speaker 2: and have them legislated and then negotiated carve outs for
31:49
Speaker 2: various forms of assets and the like like, put the
31:52
Speaker 2: new tax changes in, the higher taxes in, then work
31:56
Speaker 2: out what to change.
31:56
Speaker 1: It seems like putting the cart before the horse.
32:01
Speaker 16: Well, it's pretty clear here, Chris, that what the Albanezi
32:04
Speaker 16: government has done is put forward a set of proposals
32:08
Speaker 16: in an attempt to prop up their own budget bottom
32:10
Speaker 16: line without actually considering the ramifications of those tax proposals
32:16
Speaker 16: on everyday Australians and we have heard extensive feedback, particularly
32:21
Speaker 16: from Australia's small business community about the impact that CGT
32:27
Speaker 16: changes in particular are going to have on them.
32:30
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's.
32:31
Speaker 16: Surprising now that Doctor Chalmers and the Prime Minister are
32:34
Speaker 16: starting to get cold feet in terms of exactly what
32:38
Speaker 16: these changes might end up looking like. But it does
32:42
Speaker 16: seem kind of crazy that they're proposing to put forward
32:45
Speaker 16: legislation this week and then figure out the details later on.
32:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is extraordinary.
32:51
Speaker 2: They're obviously going to have to carve out some sectors here,
32:54
Speaker 2: if not abandoned the measure altogether. I think there's a
32:59
Speaker 2: mat of core principle here where they are deeply misguided
33:04
Speaker 2: in a very socialist, you know, a very progressively left
33:08
Speaker 2: wing fashion, and that is that they're caught up on
33:11
Speaker 2: the idea that you have to tax labor at the
33:15
Speaker 2: same rates that you tax capital investment or returns from
33:18
Speaker 2: capital investment.
33:20
Speaker 1: It overlooks the blindingly obvious.
33:22
Speaker 2: Facts that any capital that's invested somebody's already paid tax on.
33:27
Speaker 2: And secondly that it's risky to invest your capital. You've
33:31
Speaker 2: got to take risks and and and invest your your
33:36
Speaker 2: labor and ideas and intellectual energy into it, or not
33:39
Speaker 2: to mention, not to mention also the fact that the
33:42
Speaker 2: economy needs investment, you need to encourage people to invest.
33:47
Speaker 1: Those facts seem to be lost on them.
33:50
Speaker 16: That's right, And what I'm hearing from the Australian business
33:53
Speaker 16: community at the moment, small business owners in particular, is
33:56
Speaker 16: that they just want a fair guy and they feel
33:58
Speaker 16: that they haven't been given that fair go by the
34:00
Speaker 16: Albanezy government, because not only has the government broken a
34:04
Speaker 16: promise that it made several times over to the Australian
34:08
Speaker 16: people before the last election, that there would be no
34:10
Speaker 16: changes to capital gains tax, but they're now barely being
34:14
Speaker 16: consulted in terms of the changes. In fact, it sounds
34:17
Speaker 16: like the changes are going to have to be determined
34:20
Speaker 16: by the Parliament before before there's been any sort of
34:24
Speaker 16: real consultation from the government. And let alone the fact
34:27
Speaker 16: that if the government really does want to get these
34:30
Speaker 16: changes through the Parliament before the end of the financial year,
34:33
Speaker 16: that won't even give the Parliament time to undertake the
34:36
Speaker 16: usual Senate inquiries that we would be in the business
34:39
Speaker 16: of doing to be able to figure out exactly what
34:41
Speaker 16: impacts these are these changes are going to have on
34:43
Speaker 16: the business sector. So I think it's a real problem
34:46
Speaker 16: that the small business sector in particular, it feels that
34:49
Speaker 16: they have been so unheard by this government when really
34:52
Speaker 16: all they want is to be able to get about
34:55
Speaker 16: their lives and run their businesses as they have been
34:57
Speaker 16: running their businesses for the decades past.
34:59
Speaker 1: Labored just does not understand.
35:01
Speaker 2: They do not understand aspiration and the way small business works.
35:05
Speaker 2: For instance, they're talking that the one carve out they've
35:08
Speaker 2: talked a lot about is for startups, right, So if
35:12
Speaker 2: you do carve out startups, then that's so unfair to
35:16
Speaker 2: everybody else wanting to start a small business.
35:18
Speaker 1: Well, if I.
35:19
Speaker 2: Start up some new app based company, then I get
35:23
Speaker 2: favorable tax treatment, whereas if I open up a cafe
35:26
Speaker 2: or a motor garage down the road, I get taxed
35:29
Speaker 2: more heavily.
35:29
Speaker 1: Where's the fairness in that?
35:32
Speaker 16: And I suspect that's the issue that the government is
35:34
Speaker 16: going to run into that once you start creating carve
35:37
Speaker 16: outs for some, you are going to end up needing
35:39
Speaker 16: to create carveouts for all. And then that puts a
35:42
Speaker 16: real question mark over why did you even create the
35:45
Speaker 16: policy to start with? And it goes back to that
35:48
Speaker 16: old adage that policy on the run is policy underdone.
35:51
Speaker 16: I think Jim Charmers and Anthony Albanezi were concentrating very
35:55
Speaker 16: hard on finding a big new tax that they could
35:58
Speaker 16: prop up their budget bottom line with. Then the changes
36:00
Speaker 16: to CGT is that is that big change for them.
36:05
Speaker 16: And it's only now that the details are starting to
36:09
Speaker 16: be fleshed out that businesses are becoming more engaged and
36:13
Speaker 16: more aware of what these changes are going to mean
36:15
Speaker 16: to them. They're rightly outrage and the government's in a
36:18
Speaker 16: very tricky position of you know, do they forge ahead
36:21
Speaker 16: with their very badly thought out policy seemingly so, or
36:25
Speaker 16: do they go back to the drawing board and have
36:26
Speaker 16: a think about whether or not there's something else that
36:28
Speaker 16: needs to be done here.
36:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
36:30
Speaker 2: Well, you know, they think they can get away with
36:31
Speaker 2: anything because they get it through the Senate with the Greens.
36:34
Speaker 1: But if they got the.
36:35
Speaker 2: Whole country arcing up about it and they knows die
36:38
Speaker 2: of the economy, that won't help them too much or
36:40
Speaker 2: any of us. Thanks so much for joining us, Claire,
36:42
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Clear Channel, there is a shadow finance minister.
36:45
Speaker 2: I want to cross to our US contributor, Christen Tate
36:48
Speaker 2: in just a moment, But first the US military has
36:50
Speaker 2: carried out fresh strikes in southern Iran, targeting missile launch sites.
36:55
Speaker 2: This is all unfolded on Memorial Day, with Donald Trump
36:58
Speaker 2: paying tribute to the later to military.
37:00
Speaker 1: Personnel to lose their lives for the US.
37:04
Speaker 17: In Operation Epic Fury. We lost thirteen wonderful souls, wonderful
37:08
Speaker 17: special people. These incredible men and women gave their lives
37:12
Speaker 17: to ensure that the world's number one stage sponsor of
37:16
Speaker 17: terror will never have a nuclear weapon. Oh and they won't.
37:20
Speaker 1: They will never have a nuclear weapon. I'm sure, I'm
37:23
Speaker 1: sure you know that. The President. They're paying tribute to lives.
37:27
Speaker 2: Lost, but also restating his clear aim that Iran will
37:31
Speaker 2: not have the propensity to develop a nuclear weapon. As
37:34
Speaker 2: I put to Christian, that's the critical sticking point in
37:38
Speaker 2: any peace settlement.
37:40
Speaker 9: Yes, of course, and today was Memorial Today here in
37:43
Speaker 9: the United States. Every American should pause when the commander
37:47
Speaker 9: in chief recognizes thirteen people who lost their lives in
37:51
Speaker 9: this war. Their families made unimaginable sacrifices. But getting back
37:56
Speaker 9: to the news about the most recent strikes, the most
37:59
Speaker 9: recent actions by the US military, this absolutely escalates tension.
38:05
Speaker 9: Just as the Trump administration is also, you know, walking
38:08
Speaker 9: that tightrope trying to conduct broader peace talks. And one
38:12
Speaker 9: of the reasons MAGA voters still trust Trump with this
38:15
Speaker 9: issue even though they're so sick of forever wars is
38:17
Speaker 9: because remember during Trump's first term, he didn't start any
38:20
Speaker 9: new major wars. But I will say, all of this
38:23
Speaker 9: has really shifted the discussion in this country away from
38:26
Speaker 9: some of the more important, more important according to a
38:29
Speaker 9: lot of voters, domestic issues that they voted for Trump on.
38:33
Speaker 2: I got to say, though, the President himself has heightened
38:37
Speaker 2: expectations of a peace deal with Iran. He said it's
38:40
Speaker 2: almost done, and then we saw speculation that Iran would
38:44
Speaker 2: actually agree to a deal but keep its nuclear stockpiles
38:49
Speaker 2: of enriched uranium. It was pleasing from my point of
38:53
Speaker 2: view then to see President Trump put out on the
38:56
Speaker 2: social media the statement saying that the enriched uranium nuclear
38:59
Speaker 2: dust will either be immediately turned over to the United
39:02
Speaker 2: States to be brought home and destroyed, or preferably in
39:06
Speaker 2: conjunction and coordination with the Islamic Republic of Iran, destroyed
39:11
Speaker 2: in place or at another acceptable location with the Atomic
39:14
Speaker 2: Energy Commission or its equivalent being witnessed to this process
39:18
Speaker 2: and event. Thank you for your attention to this matter,
39:21
Speaker 2: says the President Donald Trump. But this is a restatement,
39:24
Speaker 2: an affirmation that the US will not agree to peace
39:28
Speaker 2: with Iran unless they get rid of that nuclear material.
39:33
Speaker 9: Yes, and there are a lot of people out there
39:35
Speaker 9: right now kind of slamming the Trump administration trying to
39:38
Speaker 9: compare this to the Obama deal, that horrible deal with
39:41
Speaker 9: the wrong that he made. But it's clearly not like
39:44
Speaker 9: that because of what you just mentioned. The big question
39:48
Speaker 9: is where that nuclear material.
39:49
Speaker 1: Is going to go.
39:51
Speaker 9: There are lots of questions about that. At the same time,
39:54
Speaker 9: you have Trump hitting out against a lot of people
39:58
Speaker 9: on the right, such as Ted Cruz, because a lot
40:01
Speaker 9: of these more warhawkish people on the right want to
40:04
Speaker 9: see more actions that could lead to something like complete
40:07
Speaker 9: regime change. But then you have the MAGA base and
40:09
Speaker 9: they want a deal like this to happen because they
40:12
Speaker 9: are sick of nation building and forever worse that we've
40:15
Speaker 9: seen under previous administrations. So you know, we are all
40:18
Speaker 9: hopeful here in the US that some kind of deal
40:21
Speaker 9: will shape up, that it's got to be a better
40:23
Speaker 9: deal than what we saw under the previous administration, in
40:26
Speaker 9: the Obama administration, and it seems like it will be
40:28
Speaker 9: a better deal.
40:29
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it has to be better, that's why we're here today.
40:33
Speaker 1: But it's plasious.
40:34
Speaker 2: Unless he gets that nuclear concession, than all of this,
40:38
Speaker 2: including those thirteen American lives, will have been for nothing.
40:41
Speaker 2: So let's type guessed that it's good to say that
40:43
Speaker 2: he's insisting on that. Let's move to other issues, and
40:46
Speaker 2: you talk about the president and his supporters wanting to
40:48
Speaker 2: focus on other domestic issues.
40:51
Speaker 1: A key one there is border security.
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Speaker 2: Of course, tell us about these changes that are being
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Speaker 2: implemented for people who already in the United States but
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Speaker 2: looking to get a grain to be able to work
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Speaker 2: there permanently.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so essentially, under these new changes, these people will
41:07
Speaker 9: now have to go back to their countries of origin
41:09
Speaker 9: in order to apply for their green card and do
41:11
Speaker 9: that there. You know, a lot of people get talking
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Speaker 9: heads here in the United States when they talk about
41:17
Speaker 9: the immigration problem in this country. They tend to really
41:20
Speaker 9: focus on the open border and legal migration. And yes,
41:23
Speaker 9: that's a huge problem, or it has been in the past,
41:26
Speaker 9: but there's also been kind of this unchecked legal migration
41:31
Speaker 9: going on here. Huge numbers of people coming over for
41:34
Speaker 9: temporary reasons, whether that's under student visas or or for tourism,
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Speaker 9: and then they kind of use that to get to
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Speaker 9: the country and then they stay here and they apply
41:46
Speaker 9: for more permanent residency once they're here, and they never leave.
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Speaker 9: That is a huge problem and an increasing number of
41:53
Speaker 9: Americans are concerned about it. So Trump is really tackling
41:56
Speaker 9: this issue by not just focusing on a legal immigration
41:59
Speaker 9: where he's a actively sealed the border, which is great,
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Speaker 9: but now he's starting to talk about legal migration too,
42:05
Speaker 9: which is a big piece of this puzzle. So the
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Speaker 9: Magabise is thrilled about this news.
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Speaker 1: Chres, Yeah, interesting stuff, similar debates here.
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Speaker 2: Once you get into Australia, you can tend to use
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Speaker 2: the legal system to make sure you stay.
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Speaker 1: So this is an interesting development in the US. Will
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Speaker 1: keep it on it. Thanks for joining us again, Kristen,
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris, Chris and Tate.
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Speaker 2: All over in the US for US as usual. We
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Speaker 2: better take a break. We'll have Stephen and Susie on
42:31
Speaker 2: the other side. We're going to talk about the Vivid
42:33
Speaker 2: Festival in Sydney with the big drone light show, but
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Speaker 2: some of the drones bit the Dust's get into our
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Speaker 2: Tuesday panel with Cusi o brien, News Corpse National Education
42:47
Speaker 2: editor joining us from Melbourne, and the very DApp Stephen
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Speaker 2: Senna Tiempe Morning Breakfast host on two double see you
42:54
Speaker 2: in the Nation's Capital, as they love to call it.
42:57
Speaker 2: I love I love the tie and suit combo there,
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Speaker 2: Stephen and that kerchief, a little bit of pink in
43:03
Speaker 2: the kerchief.
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Speaker 1: I'm loving it.
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Speaker 2: So I can't comment on the way on female appearance,
43:08
Speaker 2: So I can't do that on the pockethanks, mate, I
43:12
Speaker 2: keep resisting the hate thing at that worry.
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Speaker 1: I'll talk to Nadia about that backstage.
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Speaker 2: Look, I've got to get your thoughts firstly, on the
43:20
Speaker 2: arrival of more Isis brides, Susie, this is a big
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Speaker 2: cohort to four women, four adults and six children coming
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Speaker 2: into Sydney, two women and seven children into Melbourne.
43:31
Speaker 1: We are told we think this is not confirmed, but it.
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Speaker 2: Looks like no arrests this time, although one woman another
43:38
Speaker 2: woman was prevented from entering the country.
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Speaker 18: Your thoughts, Yeah, we know that a woman and her
43:45
Speaker 18: child have stayed behind in Syria. They weren't allowed to
43:49
Speaker 18: enter this country. I mean, if they're saying there's no arrest,
43:52
Speaker 18: then you wonder what has been the massive problem in
43:55
Speaker 18: getting them back? I mean, why is it that there
43:59
Speaker 18: has been no I mean, there were very good reasons
44:02
Speaker 18: why they weren't coming. Why is there been no action taken?
44:07
Speaker 18: I mean, I guess it's still too early to see
44:09
Speaker 18: exactly what is happening, but that I'm just hearing that
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Speaker 18: for the first time. I'm just astounded to think that
44:15
Speaker 18: there's no arrests.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, speak, there's not enough information all around on this.
44:20
Speaker 1: For instance, we're.
44:21
Speaker 2: Told that the government have offered the women health checks
44:24
Speaker 2: and a way to avoid all the waiting media and
44:26
Speaker 2: the rest of it. Yet the government keeps telling us
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Speaker 2: Stephen that they're doing nothing to.
44:30
Speaker 1: Help these people.
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, and if there's enough evidence because
44:34
Speaker 2: of the associations and ideology involved with these people and
44:37
Speaker 2: where they've been, to bar one of the women from
44:40
Speaker 2: re entering Australia, then why isn't there enough information to
44:43
Speaker 2: do the same for all of them?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, particularly the ones that have been arrested in
44:48
Speaker 3: the last co Exactly that strikes me is how this
44:52
Speaker 3: latest group flew under the radar. I mean the first group,
44:55
Speaker 3: we knew they were coming for a long time. There
44:57
Speaker 3: was a lot of debate about it. This was sprung
44:59
Speaker 3: on us last minute as we hear one of them's
45:02
Speaker 3: got a temporary exclusion order. So the question is why
45:04
Speaker 3: didn't the three they got arrested get the same And yeah,
45:09
Speaker 3: the whole rigmarole around, you know, offering them assistance when
45:12
Speaker 3: they arrive here and making sure they're not seen by
45:14
Speaker 3: the media. Of course, all of the things that weren't
45:16
Speaker 3: afforded to Ben Robert Smith when he was arrested. But
45:18
Speaker 3: that's a I guess another story. But this is the
45:20
Speaker 3: government that has completely lost control of our borders. We're
45:23
Speaker 3: now actively importing people that we.
45:25
Speaker 1: Know are a problem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're doing that at the same time we're
45:29
Speaker 2: trying to get to the bottom of Islamists extremism and
45:31
Speaker 2: anti Semitism and terrorism preparedness at a Bondi Royal Commission
45:36
Speaker 2: in Sydney is extraordinary, the contrast between those two areas
45:41
Speaker 2: of government. I want to go to something completely different
45:43
Speaker 2: now and show you something that was said in a
45:46
Speaker 2: Tasmanian podcast by the ABC chairman Kim Williams has been
45:51
Speaker 2: chair of the ABC for more than a year now,
45:53
Speaker 2: I think, and for some reason or other he sat
45:56
Speaker 2: around with two blogs in Tasmania for an hour talking
45:59
Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff and I thought this was particularly interesting.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 19: The ABC is not an especially left wing or right
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Speaker 19: wing organization, and in fact, the majority of ABC journalists
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Speaker 19: I would defy anyone to know how they vote.
46:16
Speaker 1: No, I reckon, I can guess, well, you know, I
46:19
Speaker 1: guess you guess you might, Susie. Does he speak truth
46:23
Speaker 1: or is that satire? Well?
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Speaker 18: G podcasters make terrible TV, don't I likely they're behind
46:32
Speaker 18: the airwaves, you know, Like BTN was just just had
46:36
Speaker 18: something on school funding pool because they said that they
46:39
Speaker 18: were questioning some of the biases in the article. So
46:43
Speaker 18: I'm not quite sure that he's on the right on
46:45
Speaker 18: the money.
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Speaker 1: There, Stephen.
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Speaker 2: This just shows that this bloke is completely out of.
46:50
Speaker 1: Touch and in denial, doesn't it.
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Speaker 3: No, No, Chris, he's gone up in my estimation because
46:55
Speaker 3: he clearly doesn't watch the ABC.
46:59
Speaker 1: To what there was an academic survey done.
47:02
Speaker 2: It might be close to a decade ago now, but
47:04
Speaker 2: they found there were more ab STARFF vote Greens than labor.
47:08
Speaker 2: That's how far to the left they are, and I
47:11
Speaker 2: tell you what he says, guess.
47:13
Speaker 1: Away about who they vote for. Well, you know, just
47:15
Speaker 1: list them off. It is hilarious. Let's go to transport
47:20
Speaker 1: and e bikes again.
47:21
Speaker 2: There's a proposal that in New South Wales that all
47:24
Speaker 2: shared e bikes.
47:25
Speaker 1: Are the ones.
47:26
Speaker 2: That people hire and leave blocking the footpaths and filling
47:30
Speaker 2: the creeks and parks around the country, should have a
47:33
Speaker 2: registration plates. Susie, I don't know what this is going
47:35
Speaker 2: to help, how this is going to help us.
47:40
Speaker 1: This is just bizarre.
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Speaker 18: I mean it's not a bad idea, but it needs
47:43
Speaker 18: to be won in a raft of changes of reforms.
47:48
Speaker 18: The number plates only work, will only have any kind
47:51
Speaker 18: of impact once someone's done something wrong and we can
47:53
Speaker 18: find out who they are. It's not going to stop
47:55
Speaker 18: that thing happening in the first place. I mean, we
47:58
Speaker 18: know there are thousands of accidents and there's been fifty
48:02
Speaker 18: deaths from e bikes, and so more needs to be done,
48:05
Speaker 18: starting with a band for under sixteens. I mean, this
48:09
Speaker 18: stuff is out of control.
48:10
Speaker 2: And the ones that drive like electric motorbikes treat them
48:13
Speaker 2: like motorbikes.
48:14
Speaker 1: That's pretty straightforward.
48:15
Speaker 2: Hey, before we run out of time, I want to
48:17
Speaker 2: show you these pictures from the Vivid Festival, which has
48:21
Speaker 2: just kicked off in Sydney, which is where you know,
48:23
Speaker 2: Sydney has Earth Hour where switches everything off, then it
48:25
Speaker 2: has the visit Vivid Festival where there's lights everywhere.
48:29
Speaker 1: But this drone show.
48:30
Speaker 2: Wasn't quite up to the standards we're used to from
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Speaker 2: the People's Republic of China, Stephen, because the drones all
48:35
Speaker 2: started falling out of the sky and they don't know why.
48:39
Speaker 1: Maybe the batteries went flat. All jokes aside Chrus.
48:43
Speaker 3: That's my concern is that maybe the People's Republic of
48:46
Speaker 3: China had something to do with this.
48:47
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love Vivid.
48:48
Speaker 3: I think it's a great festival, and even the poor
48:50
Speaker 3: man's version we do here in Canberra, the Enlightened Festival.
48:53
Speaker 3: But you've got a question, Yeah, because apparently it was
48:55
Speaker 3: a frequency problem. If that can happen after they go
48:58
Speaker 3: into the air lucky though, just over the harbor in
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Speaker 3: the middle of winter and there's nobody out there for
49:02
Speaker 3: them to fall on top of.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I imagine it'd be quite dangerous. But yes,
49:07
Speaker 1: there could have been some interference there. You never know.
49:09
Speaker 2: Maybe it was from a rival festival down Camera Way.
49:12
Speaker 1: No, you never know.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Steve, Stephen, Susie. We'll catch you
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Speaker 2: next week. That's all the time we've got for you tonight.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching. I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Kredlin.