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Speaker 1: Roman Podcast. Check it out.
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Speaker 2: But Joe Logan Experience, Train My Day, Joe Rogan Podcast,
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Speaker 2: by Night all Day. Well, thank you very much as
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Speaker 2: good to see you too.
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Speaker 1: You got a punch of notes, you got a lot
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Speaker 1: of things to talk about. We were starting to talk outside.
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Speaker 1: We're like, hold this, hold hold these thoughts, let's bring
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Speaker 1: them in here.
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Speaker 2: Well, here's where I am as a criminologist. You know,
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Speaker 2: I take a different approach to things. I'm not obviously
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Speaker 2: a doctor or a scientist, thankfully, and as a criminologist
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Speaker 2: you get a view of the world that's quite interesting.
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Speaker 2: And so I took a deep dive into pharma. But
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Speaker 2: I want to put that off for a second because
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Speaker 2: I know, you know a lot of these CIA operations
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Speaker 2: like paper Clip, where we bring over people who are
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Speaker 2: working on bioweapons from Japan and from Germany and we
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Speaker 2: don't prosecute them, and we you know, use them to
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Speaker 2: be the beginning of the US bioweapons program. And I
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Speaker 2: know you know MK Ultra and mocking Bird, But do
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Speaker 2: you know the one called Project Gladio. No, I do
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Speaker 2: not put your seat built on because this one just
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Speaker 2: tops it all. So this was World War two ends
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Speaker 2: and the OSS, which was the CIA at the time,
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Speaker 2: decides to leave behind rather than take everybody home, all
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Speaker 2: the American soldiers, They're going to leave behind a bunch
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Speaker 2: of them. Hey, you guys, hide your weapons, hide your rifles,
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Speaker 2: secrete all the grenades and ammunition and put it in bunkers,
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Speaker 2: and just sit tight until we have some ideas of
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Speaker 2: things you ought to do. So eventually a few hundred
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Speaker 2: of them stay behind, and they are going to do
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Speaker 2: things in Europe to stop communism, to stop socialism, to
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Speaker 2: fight the Soviets, etc. But what do they actually end
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Speaker 2: up doing is terroristic incidents against our allies. They blow
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Speaker 2: up a train station in Bologna, two hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: five people injured, eighty five people killed, done and funded
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Speaker 2: and operated by our CIA. They do the nineteen seven,
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine assassination of a guy who's a journalist
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Speaker 2: who's writing about this. They shoot him twice in the head.
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Speaker 2: They do another bombing, seventeen people killed. Another one Octoberfest
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Speaker 2: in Germany, not Italy, seventeen people killed. Why because they
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Speaker 2: see that certain candidates are doing well and might become
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Speaker 2: prime ministers, for example, or important legislators. So when you
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Speaker 2: have a big, giant terrorist incident done in some train station,
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Speaker 2: for example, that moves the public toward a more right
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Speaker 2: leaning government or a more totalitarian government that CIA can
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Speaker 2: deal with and away from anything where communism can happen.
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Speaker 2: There's the assassination of Aldo Moro, he was a former
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Speaker 2: prime minister. Five bodyguards, they're all killed, he's kidnapped. A
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Speaker 2: few weeks later, he's shot in the head and put
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Speaker 2: in the trunk of a car. That was done by
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Speaker 2: Project Gladio. In other words, these things were done by
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Speaker 2: the United States, two our supposed allies, and hundreds of
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Speaker 2: these leave behinds operated eventually a twenty third thousand person
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Speaker 2: army all over Europe. Now, I don't expect anybody to
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Speaker 2: believe a word of it. You got to go to
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Speaker 2: Wikipedia and put in Gladio. It's just one deep and
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Speaker 2: you see that this insanity is true. The punchline on
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Speaker 2: it for me, the one that really blows it out
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Speaker 2: of the water, is that it ended in nineteen ninety
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Speaker 2: WHOA yeah, and George Bush was president and he'd been
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Speaker 2: former director of CIA, of course, and he denies it
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Speaker 2: like crazy. But eventually an Italian prime minister really goes
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Speaker 2: to the mat on it, and it becomes so well
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Speaker 2: established that the US government funded and managed these operations
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Speaker 2: blowing up regular citizens in Europe that a lot of
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Speaker 2: the people who were imprisoned for them for those incidents, terrorists,
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Speaker 2: you know, terrorist groups, et cetera, were released on the
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Speaker 2: defense that it was actually done by CIA. I did
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Speaker 2: tell you to put your seatbelt on.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, is that just like an idea that
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Speaker 1: starts off as a precautionary measure that just got completely
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Speaker 1: out of hand because there was no oversight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No oversight is the key to a bunch of
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Speaker 2: stuff I want to talk about today, because when governments,
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Speaker 2: big centralized governments and other power centers become, you know,
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Speaker 2: without oversight. And where does oversight come from. It comes
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Speaker 2: from us the public having to be skeptical. And if
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Speaker 2: the public is not skeptical, if they'll buy a story like, oh,
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Speaker 2: a terrible terrorist group assassinated this guy Aldo Moro, How terrible,
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Speaker 2: and they'll buy the story with no skepticism because that's
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Speaker 2: what we're told, then there will be no oversight and
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Speaker 2: power centers. It's no surprise. You know, we could talk
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Speaker 2: about every country on Earth. I'm not you know, I
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Speaker 2: happen to love America, but I'm not saying it's just America.
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Speaker 2: It's you know, this is the nature of espionage, on
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Speaker 2: the nature of war. But I want to answer your
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Speaker 2: question about is it just because of no oversight? The
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Speaker 2: United States end wars very often. For example, World War
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Speaker 2: two ends and you're all excited about it, and you're
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Speaker 2: mounting things and you're doing all this stuff, and then
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Speaker 2: it ends, and everybody's like, hey, but we were really
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Speaker 2: into this thing, and so we don't let them end.
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Speaker 2: We leave three hundred thousand troops in Germany, three hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand troops in Japan, hundreds of thousands of troops in
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Speaker 2: South Korea. Why don't we bring these people home? If
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Speaker 2: the war's over, The war's over. But that's not how
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Speaker 2: empire works, and so the US tends to, you know,
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Speaker 2: continue these wars in the versions I just described to you,
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Speaker 2: which is more secret versions, and it's dark. Man. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if somebody, and maybe somebody has, but if somebody came
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Speaker 2: into America and did a bunch of terrorist incidents in
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Speaker 2: America that killed a lot of Americans, oh jeez, let's
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Speaker 2: reflect on whether that's ever happened but anyway, if that happened,
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Speaker 2: we'd be stressed, and rightfully, we'd you know, have a
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Speaker 2: lot to complain about. But it goes on, and it's
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Speaker 2: kind of my theme for today is is sharing these
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Speaker 2: things that are all available on Wikipedia. You know, I'm
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Speaker 2: not making them up. They're all real, and I looked
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Speaker 2: at them from the point of view of a criminologist,
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Speaker 2: where I really lay out the evidence and my purpose,
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Speaker 2: my reason for doing this today with you also in
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Speaker 2: a book. My reason is that I really want to
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Speaker 2: encourage Americans to be skeptical because if you don't have skepticism,
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Speaker 2: the government runs us. We don't run the government.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, And it's it's a strange time for that,
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Speaker 1: you know, because first of all, one of the things
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Speaker 1: that happened was the Smith month, right, so when during
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Speaker 1: the Obama administration, when they made it legal to use
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Speaker 1: propaganda on American citizens. That blurred the lines of truth
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Speaker 1: and reality for all of us. Yeah, forever, unless that
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Speaker 1: is somehow another rolled back. And I don't see any
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Speaker 1: effort or any desire to roll it back, We're always
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Speaker 1: going to be stuck in this situation where it's absolutely
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Speaker 1: legal for intelligence agencies to lie to us in the
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Speaker 1: interest of national security.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where we are for sure. There was I
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Speaker 2: know you already know about Project mocking Bird, but Project
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Speaker 2: Mockingbird had hundreds of American journalists who were in some
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Speaker 2: cases directly on the payroll of CIA and in other
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Speaker 2: cases just had great relationships. And would you float ideas
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Speaker 2: inside the United States? It was shut down by the
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Speaker 2: Church Committee Senate Committee. But was it really shut down
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Speaker 2: or did it just change its name? Because the reality
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Speaker 2: is that today, unlike in the past, all information is international.
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Speaker 2: So if you start floating information overseas, that's not true.
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Speaker 2: It's going to make its way to America. And does
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Speaker 2: it make sense to do this. I remember when I
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Speaker 2: was working on an investigation involving Saudi Arabia and their
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Speaker 2: use of Twitter, misuse of Twitter. Twitter ended up canceling
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Speaker 2: like five thousand of their accounts because they were fake
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Speaker 2: you know, bots. But they were using Twitter to be
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Speaker 2: able to float things so that they would you know,
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Speaker 2: become viral and become important.
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Speaker 1: What time period was this?
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Speaker 2: This is very recent?
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Speaker 1: This is so was it x or Twitter?
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Speaker 2: It was Twitter twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, and they would
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Speaker 2: get things to trend and how would they do it. Well,
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Speaker 2: when Twitter shut down their bots, they had forty thousand
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Speaker 2: people sitting in their houses and they would send out
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Speaker 2: the message of the day, like Jeff Bezos is the
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Speaker 2: evil Jew happens not to be Jewish, Jeff Bezos is
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Speaker 2: the evil Jew who's robbing us at night, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: Because they were in a competition with Bezos over various things,
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Speaker 2: and then it would trend. And so when I saw
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Speaker 2: that happening with Twitter, I thought to myself, well, every
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Speaker 2: country should do that. I don't mean I like it.
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Speaker 2: I just mean it's kind of obvious that if you
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Speaker 2: have an opportunity to communicate with your popular in a
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Speaker 2: way that makes particularly young people in Saudi Arabia, they're
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Speaker 2: the ones who are going to come over the castle
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Speaker 2: wall one day. They if you can control their perceptions.
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Speaker 2: Of course, that's what every country in world history has done.
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Speaker 2: Every country has a narrative, right ours was when I
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Speaker 2: was growing up, and you two, anybody can become president.
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Speaker 2: You know, the government works for us, We don't work
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Speaker 2: for the government, and other wonderful myths. So that was
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Speaker 2: our narrative. India's narrative is, you know, the next life
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Speaker 2: matters more than this one. In the next life, you'll
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Speaker 2: have a good time. Maybe now you're homeless. Maybe now
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Speaker 2: you're one of the seven million homeless people in Mumbai,
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Speaker 2: But next life will be better. England's narrative the class structure.
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Speaker 2: Just watch the King and queen. They're having such a
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Speaker 2: good time and the princes are having such a good time.
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Speaker 2: That's good enough for you, isn't it. And so everybody
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Speaker 2: has one and they have these stories about how they
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Speaker 2: control populations, religion being of course the one. Now government
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Speaker 2: is at war with religion. Our US government is not
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Speaker 2: liking the church anymore. It is not liking other power centers.
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Speaker 2: During COVID, you could go to a liquor store, you
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Speaker 2: could go to a target store, big air conditioning, keeping
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Speaker 2: all the virus nice and cool and moving around. But
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Speaker 2: you couldn't go to church. And even if you put
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Speaker 2: the church outside, they wanted to stop the church. Now,
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Speaker 2: why would governments not like the church because it's another
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Speaker 2: power center, and so each power center needs to be
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Speaker 2: knocked down.
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Speaker 1: But is that why they did it? Because they also
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Speaker 1: outlawed outdoor dining in Los Angeles, there was outlaw comedy shows.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to give you a pretty cynical answer. Yes,
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Speaker 2: that's why they did it in general with I mean,
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Speaker 2: if you think about it, the Constitution gives particular protections
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Speaker 2: to the church, to religion, doesn't give particular protections to
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Speaker 2: liquor stores or big box stores. And yet that's what happened.
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Speaker 2: But what about shows, for example, when you have a
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Speaker 2: population that cannot gather for enjoyment. You know, we're all
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Speaker 2: going to the concert and we're going to watch this
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Speaker 2: musical event, and none of us are going to say, oh,
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Speaker 2: that guy over there voted for Trump, I hate him.
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Speaker 2: Oh that guy over there voted for you know Biden,
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Speaker 2: that one's woke, that one's such and such. We just
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Speaker 2: enjoy the show, right. We go to the beach, which
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Speaker 2: was prohibited, Remember, but we go to the beach and
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Speaker 2: I look over at you and your kids and your family,
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Speaker 2: and you look over at mine, and we're having a
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Speaker 2: good time. Nobody's judging anybody. We're just there to swim.
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Speaker 2: You can divide a country, and the way that it
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Speaker 2: happened with us during the COVID lockdowns, that is the
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Speaker 2: source of power. Division is actually the source of power.
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Speaker 1: But do you feel like this was done on purpose.
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Speaker 1: Did you think that they were capitalizing on the event
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Speaker 1: of COVID, or that they knew that a situation like
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Speaker 1: this is an excellent opportunity for them to divide people further,
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Speaker 1: or was it just the fact that they had to act.
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Speaker 1: At least they had to at least give the guise
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Speaker 1: of public safety, It had to at least be performative
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Speaker 1: in that they were doing something the optics that they
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Speaker 1: were protecting people from the spread of this disease.
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Speaker 2: Well, my best way to assess things is, rather than
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Speaker 2: ever try to figure out what's in somebody's head, I
12:25
Speaker 2: just look at what actually happened. And what actually happened
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Speaker 2: is that every Western nation on Earth put all its
12:32
Speaker 2: citizens under house arrest. Every nation on earth did what
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Speaker 2: no opposing enemy could ever do to the United States.
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Speaker 2: We just had everybody staying indoors, not gathering, hundreds of
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Speaker 2: thousands of businesses, closed, people unable to do what they
12:48
Speaker 2: wanted to do, and not free. So I don't think
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Speaker 2: there's any argument that during the COVID lockdowns, I'm not
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Speaker 2: talking about the COVID disease. The COVID disease is this big.
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Speaker 2: The lockdowns is this big? The lockdowns is as big
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Speaker 2: an event as all the world wars put together. The
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Speaker 2: lockdowns caused a complete lesson in government control that the
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Speaker 2: governments of the world. Remember, it wasn't just ours, it
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Speaker 2: was almost every country could do whatever they wanted. So
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Speaker 2: do I believe it was intentional? Well, I don't have
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Speaker 2: to back up to whether the release of the COVID
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Speaker 2: virus was intentional. I just don't know, but the plans
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Speaker 2: related to what would happen was clearly intentional. You know,
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Speaker 2: your viewers can look at and listeners can look at
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Speaker 2: Operation I mean at two one event two one online.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever seen it on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: It's a video of an event that Gates put on
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Speaker 2: with the CIA, with the Chinese head of the CDC,
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Speaker 2: Chinese CDC, with military leaders, with people from CBS, and
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Speaker 2: they gathered together and they talked about what would happen
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Speaker 2: in the event that there was a pandemic, and they
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Speaker 2: named the pandemic, and they did tabletop exercises about the pandemic.
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Speaker 2: Any discussion about health none. All of it was discussion
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Speaker 2: about controlling the information. Why is this interesting because it
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Speaker 2: was in twenty nineteen. My friend, before COVID came out
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Speaker 2: right so late in twenty nineteen, these tabletop operations had
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Speaker 2: already been going on for years. So I look at
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Speaker 2: and I really encourage people to consider this approach, which is,
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Speaker 2: forget about who did it, forget about twirling mustaches and villains,
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Speaker 2: forget about Bill Gates and Fauci and all of that.
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Speaker 2: Just look at what actually happened. If we just look
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Speaker 2: at what actually happened, you have to assume somebody wanted
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Speaker 2: that outcome. Somebody somewhere might be one person, it might
14:43
Speaker 2: be groups, it might be unaligned people who share incentives.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you a fast example. COVID comes. People who
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Speaker 2: used to make perfume sprayers now make hand sanitizers. People
14:56
Speaker 2: who used to make bumper stickers now make stickers that say,
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Speaker 2: stand six feet apart. In other words, every an incentive comes,
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Speaker 2: and it doesn't require that those people all sat in
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Speaker 2: a conspiratorial room at some hotel, you know in Germany
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Speaker 2: and rub their hands together and make the plan. Human nature,
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Speaker 2: particularly when you centralize big governments, this is the direction
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Speaker 2: it moves in, which is it moves in the direction
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Speaker 2: of tyranny. When I was here before a few years ago,
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Speaker 2: I made this point that's only been cemented in the interim,
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Speaker 2: which is that if you look at world history is
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Speaker 2: a big pie chart, all of it is tyranny, and
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Speaker 2: there's just a tiny little sliver of the lives we've
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Speaker 2: been blessed to live up until twenty twenty, meaning a
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Speaker 2: tiny sliver of freedom Western Europe, the United States, and
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Speaker 2: all the rest is tyranny, which means tyranny is the
15:50
Speaker 2: natural order for human beings, that's the way it normally
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Speaker 2: is run.
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Speaker 1: You could easily argue that with history, right.
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Speaker 2: Of course, and you know what you see is Look.
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Speaker 2: Any suffering that I've done in the last few years
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Speaker 2: personally has been because of my resistance to let go
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Speaker 2: of the illusions and dellusions that I grew up with.
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Speaker 2: You know, the courts will be fair, the government will
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Speaker 2: respect our freedom no matter what. The Constitution will be followed,
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Speaker 2: no matter what. It's hard to let go of that stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's not easy, and I still have resistance to it.
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Speaker 2: That's why I look at Gladio, which I just told
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Speaker 2: you about, and I say, holy shit, can you believe this? Well,
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Speaker 2: we have to be able to believe all of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just there's so many layers to it. It's
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Speaker 1: very difficult for regular people.
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Speaker 2: What is a regular person?
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Speaker 1: Regular person is a person who has a job and
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Speaker 1: interest in family and hasn't spent any inordinate amount of
16:49
Speaker 1: time delving into conspiracies and being rational about it and
16:53
Speaker 1: being objective and saying, I know that every fiber of
16:56
Speaker 1: my being rejects this as foolishness and tinfoil hat bullshit.
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Speaker 1: But is this real? And then the more you find out,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, that is real. The more you find
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Speaker 1: out Operation Northwar, It's holy fuck, that's real. The more
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Speaker 1: the more you find out about these things, MK Ultra,
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Speaker 1: you go, what Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Nobody
17:13
Speaker 1: got arrested for any of this. Nobody went to jail,
17:15
Speaker 1: nobody got prosecuted, nobody got tried. The more you dig
17:18
Speaker 1: into the jfk assassination, the more you dig into everything,
17:21
Speaker 1: and it is a bottomless pit that if you haven't
17:27
Speaker 1: reached the surface of it, you have no idea how
17:29
Speaker 1: much depth there is to it. And that's the normal person.
17:33
Speaker 1: Most people, you know, most people took the shot because
17:36
Speaker 1: they wanted to keep their job, or they took the
17:38
Speaker 1: shot because they have to travel to see relatives, or
17:40
Speaker 1: they had to visit loved ones in the hospital, or
17:42
Speaker 1: whatever the whatever the reason was, they did what they
17:45
Speaker 1: had to do. And you know, they know people that
17:48
Speaker 1: got fucked up because of the shot. Maybe they got
17:50
Speaker 1: fucked up because of the shot and they feel helpless
17:52
Speaker 1: and they don't know what to do. But I don't
17:54
Speaker 1: think they understand the depths of first of all, not
17:59
Speaker 1: just the COVID pandemic, but what happened during the AIDS
18:03
Speaker 1: pandemic with the exact same power structure. And when you
18:07
Speaker 1: find that out, I mean, we went over Peter Duzberg's
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Speaker 1: work the other day.
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Speaker 2: Oh I'm so glad.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we showed the article on Spin magazine that
18:16
Speaker 1: was talking about these various doctors that stepped stepped out
18:20
Speaker 1: against the use of AZT and like what was going
18:24
Speaker 1: on and how evil it was, and the only reason
18:27
Speaker 1: why they were doing it was because these are drugs
18:30
Speaker 1: that had already been approved and they could just push
18:31
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Speaker 1: visit the link in the script to get started. That's
20:01
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Speaker 2: I think there's a darker reason, and the darker reason
20:08
Speaker 2: for overdosing on AZT is that it provides exactly the
20:12
Speaker 2: symptoms of AIDS that you're going to die from. Yeah,
20:15
Speaker 2: and so it keeps the you know, the great documentary
20:18
Speaker 2: it's on YouTube is called House of Numbers about this.
20:21
Speaker 2: It keeps the numbers going. You can turn the numbers
20:24
Speaker 2: up or down just by changing the definition of what
20:26
Speaker 2: is AIDS. Fauci had his definition, but in that documentary
20:30
Speaker 2: is Fauci and Redfield. They're all young. It's one of
20:32
Speaker 2: their first rounds in this world, and they're making the
20:36
Speaker 2: case that HIV is the absolute cause of AIDS, even
20:40
Speaker 2: though literally the guy who got the Nobel Prize for
20:42
Speaker 2: concluding that feels that you can have AIDS without HIV,
20:45
Speaker 2: and you could have HIV without AIDS. I raised ten kids,
20:49
Speaker 2: I have two teenage kids. One of my older boys,
20:52
Speaker 2: boys but thirty one years old now tested positive for
20:56
Speaker 2: HIV right away come the drugs, and he and I
21:01
Speaker 2: met about it. We watched this documentary called House of Numbers,
21:05
Speaker 2: and he decided no medication. He's really healthy. He's in
21:08
Speaker 2: the sun a lot, he's having a calm and wonderful life.
21:11
Speaker 2: He lives in Fiji, so he's out in the tropics
21:14
Speaker 2: a lot. And when he took the medication for three weeks,
21:17
Speaker 2: he felt really shitty. It wasn't azy t it's the
21:20
Speaker 2: newer cocktail, but he felt really shitty. When he stopped,
21:24
Speaker 2: he feels great, and we'll see how things go. But
21:27
Speaker 2: the idea that they were trying to push was if
21:30
Speaker 2: you test positive for HIV, they say it, point blank,
21:33
Speaker 2: you will die from this disease and there's nothing that
21:35
Speaker 2: can stop it except these drugs. And that turns out
21:38
Speaker 2: not to be true.
21:39
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of things he said. It turned
21:41
Speaker 1: not to true. They thought that your children would get it,
21:44
Speaker 1: people in the household would get it, that it was spread,
21:47
Speaker 1: it could be spread aerosol. You know, there was a
21:51
Speaker 1: The Duisburg thing is fascinating because this all took place
21:56
Speaker 1: in the time with no Internet, no pushback, no conspiracy
21:59
Speaker 1: theorist online to connect the dots, and his assertion was,
22:04
Speaker 1: first of all, there was the inconvenient fact that the
22:06
Speaker 1: vast majority of the people that got air quotes. AIDS
22:11
Speaker 1: all were hardcore drug users. There were these partiers in
22:14
Speaker 1: the gay community. And anybody that knows anything about drug
22:18
Speaker 1: use knows that if you're a hardcore drug user and
22:21
Speaker 1: you're staying up all night, you're partying, guess what, you're
22:24
Speaker 1: going to crush your immune system.
22:25
Speaker 2: And you know they were taking antibiotics which were at
22:28
Speaker 2: the parties in big bulls.
22:29
Speaker 1: Antibiotics.
22:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they had all this was a tremendous amount
22:33
Speaker 2: of sex. It was almost a statement of freedom in
22:35
Speaker 2: the gay rights movement. And the people had all kinds
22:39
Speaker 2: of infections, so they were shooping up antibiotics and taking antibiotics,
22:43
Speaker 2: and of course AIDS is real. They destroyed their immune system,
22:46
Speaker 2: no question about it. And poppers and.
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Speaker 1: Duisburg poppers is the big one, right in a nitrate.
22:51
Speaker 2: Well, poppers certainly causes the specific respiratory issue that was
22:56
Speaker 2: associated with AIDS. And they kept changing, you know, the
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Speaker 2: the NIH and CDC kept changing the definition along the way.
23:03
Speaker 2: And there's a great line in the Real Anthony Faucia book,
23:06
Speaker 2: I know you read where Bobby says, if you get
23:09
Speaker 2: diagnosed with AIDS in Africa, the fastest way to get
23:12
Speaker 2: cured is go to New York, you won't be diagnosed
23:15
Speaker 2: with AIDS. Totally different diagnostic method. In Africa it's mostly women.
23:20
Speaker 2: In the United States it's mostly men. And the diagnostic
23:23
Speaker 2: method in Africa includes asking you on a questionnaire whether
23:27
Speaker 2: you've engaged in gay sex. What does that have to
23:30
Speaker 2: do with an AIDS test. I took an age test
23:33
Speaker 2: when I was younger and thought, well, this is a
23:35
Speaker 2: test like a pregnancy test. Right, you test positive, That
23:38
Speaker 2: means you're positive. Negative means negative. That wasn't It was
23:41
Speaker 2: a highly interpretive test. And by the way, this documentary
23:45
Speaker 2: had mentioned a couple of times called House of Numbers
23:48
Speaker 2: for its humorous value. I have to also add that
23:51
Speaker 2: anybody who looks for it on YouTube be sure you
23:54
Speaker 2: have the one that is the correct one, because the
23:56
Speaker 2: adversaries have put up another documentary and titled it House
24:00
Speaker 2: of Numbers.
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Speaker 1: They did the same thing with Turtles all the Way Down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very clever. And then that one debunks the
24:05
Speaker 2: you know that one debunks the other one. So it's
24:08
Speaker 2: it's House of Numbers by a great filmmaker named Brent
24:12
Speaker 2: Lwang l U E n G. And it's just a
24:14
Speaker 2: totally enjoyable. Enjoyable is not the right word, but informative
24:19
Speaker 2: documentary on another one of these sacred cows that we
24:24
Speaker 2: are not allowed to question.
24:25
Speaker 1: Well, the Dewsburg one was the first time that I
24:27
Speaker 1: ever had someone on as a podcast guest where I
24:30
Speaker 1: got massive pushback, people like there's blood in your hands, Like,
24:33
Speaker 1: first of all, who's dying of AIDS in twenty fifteen,
24:36
Speaker 1: right or whatever year it was that I had them on.
24:38
Speaker 1: But his assertion was that HIV was a weak disease,
24:44
Speaker 1: that was a weak virus that was only showing up
24:46
Speaker 1: in the systems of people that were already compromised. It
24:49
Speaker 1: was not the cause of it. It was a symptom
24:51
Speaker 1: of a compromised immune system.
24:53
Speaker 2: Very poor people in Africa, people with no effective sewage,
24:57
Speaker 2: et cetera. And it was another of many, many moves
25:00
Speaker 2: movements that has the side effect of reducing population reducing
25:06
Speaker 2: meaning it used condoms, don't have sex, sex is scary,
25:09
Speaker 2: sex is death. A lot of these things focus on
25:13
Speaker 2: and have the ultimate result of population reduction, which I'm
25:18
Speaker 2: going to come back to. But I want to say
25:19
Speaker 2: something about Usberg because it's so funny. In House of numbers,
25:23
Speaker 2: when he's interviewed, he says, my peers are prostitutes, and
25:29
Speaker 2: he says I am a prostitute as well to some degree.
25:32
Speaker 2: He's talking about trying to get funding. He says, but
25:34
Speaker 2: they go all the way. It's just a funny line.
25:37
Speaker 2: He's a lovely man. It's doing fine now. I talked
25:40
Speaker 2: to somebody recently. Takes care of him. His son takes
25:42
Speaker 2: care of him. I was reaching out to see if
25:44
Speaker 2: he needed anything, because I would take care of this
25:46
Speaker 2: guy for the rest of his life. He was a
25:48
Speaker 2: real hero. And they buried him in the base I mean,
25:50
Speaker 2: I don't mean buried him dead. I mean they stuck
25:52
Speaker 2: him in the basement at Berkeley. And he never got
25:55
Speaker 2: another grant. Needless to say, in all those years, even
25:58
Speaker 2: though he was a you know, headed for a Nobel Prize,
26:01
Speaker 2: he was a great thinker. So I didn't ever see
26:03
Speaker 2: the show you did it. You did in twenty fifteen.
26:05
Speaker 1: It was probably even earlier than that. What year was that, Jamie,
26:10
Speaker 1: It might have been thirteen or fourteen, I don't remember,
26:13
Speaker 1: but I remember massive pushback, like people were very upset.
26:17
Speaker 2: Well, you got balls, but I guess you knew that
26:20
Speaker 2: from some other shows because doing it at that time,
26:24
Speaker 2: you know the insult that goes with that when his
26:26
Speaker 2: AIDS denier. No, no, no, we're cads. We're not talking
26:30
Speaker 2: about that. We're talking about whether HIV is always the
26:33
Speaker 2: cause of AIDS.
26:34
Speaker 1: But there were so many facts that people were ignoring.
26:37
Speaker 1: This is what was like for me when I see,
26:41
Speaker 1: I see a dilemma, I see a situation, and I
26:44
Speaker 1: see inconvenient facts that people were ignoring. One of them
26:48
Speaker 1: being that AZT kills people, and that it was a
26:52
Speaker 1: chemotherapy medication that they had to stop using because it
26:55
Speaker 1: was killing people quicker than the cancer was killing people,
26:58
Speaker 1: and that chemotherapy is always a very short term use.
27:04
Speaker 1: It's for short term use. It's like when you have cancer,
27:07
Speaker 1: you take chemotherapy, it kills the cancer and it almost
27:11
Speaker 1: kills you, and then you recover from it and hopefully
27:13
Speaker 1: the cancer is gone. This was the only chemotherapy that
27:17
Speaker 1: you were being told to stay on for life that
27:20
Speaker 1: had never been okay. And so it was one AZT
27:24
Speaker 1: killed people for sure. They were using AZT for ages
27:27
Speaker 1: people were dying from you know, AIDS or AZT whatever,
27:31
Speaker 1: they were dying more, and they stopped using it and
27:34
Speaker 1: people stopped dying of AIDS because that's kind of how
27:38
Speaker 1: it went. Because they they'll try to tell you that,
27:40
Speaker 1: oh no, it's the new medications have stopped the spread
27:44
Speaker 1: of HIV. But why did it never make its way
27:46
Speaker 1: to the heterosexual community? If it's really a sexually transmitted disease,
27:50
Speaker 1: that's so, you know, unbelievably contagious that it just spread
27:54
Speaker 1: through the gay community like wildfire. Why there's a lot
27:57
Speaker 1: of people that had gay sex and straight sex. Well,
27:59
Speaker 1: how come it now ever, really had any meaningful transition
28:03
Speaker 1: to the heterosexual community. There's a lot of weird shit.
28:06
Speaker 1: Why do people that were totally asymptomatic, Like Arthur Ash
28:11
Speaker 1: gets on Act and he's dead in six months? Like what?
28:14
Speaker 2: What?
28:15
Speaker 1: What is it possible that AZT killed those people? And
28:18
Speaker 1: that Peter Dusberg is right like this this was my thought,
28:21
Speaker 1: and I'm like, let me hear this guy out, Let
28:23
Speaker 1: me talk to him with a skeptical but objective mindset
28:29
Speaker 1: and see where this guy's at. Then you find out
28:32
Speaker 1: he's a tenured professor at University of California, Berkeley, done
28:35
Speaker 1: groundbreaking research on cancer. He's a brilliant guy and everything
28:38
Speaker 1: he's saying totally completely made sense. Yes, and I was like,
28:41
Speaker 1: this is so strange. And then I realized, Oh, this
28:44
Speaker 1: all happened before the internet. This all happened before he
28:48
Speaker 1: gets set on a podcast and talk about it. This
28:50
Speaker 1: all happened before people could tweet about it. This is
28:52
Speaker 1: this all happened before someone could make a documentary and
28:55
Speaker 1: release it on YouTube.
28:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very true. By the way. Another Dusburg story
28:59
Speaker 2: is that there's a couple that adopted a baby in Romania.
29:04
Speaker 2: They're covered in this documentary House of Numbers, and they
29:07
Speaker 2: adopt the baby. It's tested for AIDS in Romania, tested
29:10
Speaker 2: for HIV and negative. It gets to America, they do
29:13
Speaker 2: another test. Oh the baby is HIV positive.
29:17
Speaker 1: So are these PCR tests?
29:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're PCR testing.
29:21
Speaker 1: And this is what Carrie Mullis was very adamant about this.
29:24
Speaker 1: This is not the use of the proper use of PCR,
29:27
Speaker 1: and that Fauci did not know what he was doing
29:29
Speaker 1: when he's doing that. We played that video as well.
29:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's great color, carry mellow stuff. I wish he
29:34
Speaker 2: was alive. He died right before COVID unfortunately. But anyway,
29:37
Speaker 2: so they adopt this kid and the kid is HIV positive,
29:40
Speaker 2: little girl, and the doctors say, well, oh baby, you
29:44
Speaker 2: got to put this kid on AZT in a hurry.
29:46
Speaker 2: So they put the kid on AZT. Now you see
29:49
Speaker 2: videos home movies where the kid can't stand up, is falling,
29:53
Speaker 2: loses weight, and when they go to the doctors, they say, well,
29:57
Speaker 2: it's aids. You know, we're doing our best. She's actually
29:59
Speaker 2: doing pretty well. Medicine is keeping her alive, so just
30:03
Speaker 2: keep going. So they keep going. She gets worse and
30:05
Speaker 2: worse and worse, and eventually they write a letter to
30:09
Speaker 2: a guy they've heard about named Peter Dusberg, and to
30:12
Speaker 2: his credit, man he was brave. He writes back, you know,
30:15
Speaker 2: in writing in a way, most people wouldn't take her
30:17
Speaker 2: off that medication immediately, so they do. They take her
30:21
Speaker 2: off the medication. The doctors say she's going to be
30:24
Speaker 2: dead by the time she's five. Then they say, you know,
30:27
Speaker 2: maybe she'll live to be seven. Then they say, if
30:29
Speaker 2: she lives to be eleven, it'll be a miracle. In
30:31
Speaker 2: the meantime, she's getting better and better and better. In
30:34
Speaker 2: the movie, cut to twenty three years old, pregnant, having
30:37
Speaker 2: her own.
30:37
Speaker 1: Daughter, Jesus Christ.
30:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's other people and it's like they have
30:44
Speaker 2: to know this. Oh, but you know, this is true
30:47
Speaker 2: with COVID as well. You can be generous and say
30:53
Speaker 2: people didn't know things early on, but it is not
30:56
Speaker 2: possible to now look back, for example, at COVID and
31:01
Speaker 2: the COVID vaccine and say they don't know it now. Right.
31:05
Speaker 2: In other words, at this point, it's not possible for
31:08
Speaker 2: Albert Borla to you know, to say, oh, we had
31:10
Speaker 2: no idea about that myocarditis that would cause sudden death
31:15
Speaker 2: in you know, kids, athletic boys go to sleep at
31:19
Speaker 2: night and they're found dead in their bed in the morning,
31:21
Speaker 2: not one, not two, but many. And right in the
31:24
Speaker 2: beginning of COVID, two different states with two different coroners
31:29
Speaker 2: did two different reports that both said these kids who
31:33
Speaker 2: were found in their bed dead in the morning, sixteen
31:35
Speaker 2: years old, both of them two days apart, died from
31:40
Speaker 2: vaccine induced myocarditis. Now, clearly that should have been the
31:45
Speaker 2: biggest news story in the world. We were all taking it.
31:49
Speaker 1: Right, COVID happened before the Internet.
31:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, well things did happen before the Internet.
31:54
Speaker 1: Imagine that one happened, you know.
31:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, in a way, Joe, you could.
31:59
Speaker 2: You could look at Swine in nineteen seventy six and
32:02
Speaker 2: also again in two thousand and nine, which were before
32:04
Speaker 2: the Internet, and they actually did worse in a way.
32:07
Speaker 2: What the Internet did is favorably allowed engagements like we're
32:12
Speaker 2: having today and all the stuff you've done, But it
32:15
Speaker 2: also allowed governments to have a control mechanism. Right, I
32:19
Speaker 2: was looking for my iPhone, you know, right into our iPhones,
32:21
Speaker 2: and so what was happening is they were getting are
32:24
Speaker 2: not We're getting better and better and better at controlling
32:28
Speaker 2: human perception. And I think it's true that the Internet
32:32
Speaker 2: is a great gift on the one hand, but it's
32:35
Speaker 2: also look, there's no way they're going to leave the
32:38
Speaker 2: Internet untouched and not also utilize it in this basically
32:44
Speaker 2: information war that's going on. So the Internet has helped
32:49
Speaker 2: show some people the truth, but it's also been used
32:52
Speaker 2: to stop a lot of other people from seeing the truth.
32:55
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but at least there's a there's an avenue
32:59
Speaker 1: where people and learn the truth that didn't exist before
33:01
Speaker 1: the Duceberg thing. The only way I found out about
33:03
Speaker 1: it was an article in Spin magazine, and I had
33:06
Speaker 1: some conspiratorially minded pothead friends. They're like, dude's AIGs isn't real.
33:10
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
33:12
Speaker 1: Of course AIGs is real. And then I started reading
33:14
Speaker 1: books and I was like, wait a minute, this can't
33:16
Speaker 1: be real, This can't be true. And having him on
33:19
Speaker 1: was just absolutely fascinating. But the blowback from all the
33:22
Speaker 1: people that were absolutely convinced that there's no way these
33:26
Speaker 1: all of these other doctors could be in agreement and
33:29
Speaker 1: be incorrect, and that gave me pause because I was like, yeah,
33:32
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Why would all these doctors be in
33:35
Speaker 1: agreement and be incorrect about this? Why would they all
33:38
Speaker 1: be promoting this false narrative. I had no concept of
33:43
Speaker 1: how the NIH and how faucy and how they ran things,
33:48
Speaker 1: and how if you deviated from the narrative whatsoever, you
33:53
Speaker 1: got no grants, you got no funding, You lose you
33:57
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34:05
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Speaker 2: That's correct. Yeah, and there's a documentary right now called,
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35:53
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Speaker 2: comparing vaccinated kids to unvaccinated cais. It's a very very
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Speaker 2: they decide not to release it.
36:08
Speaker 1: And yeah, I read about that.
36:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. There's I don't want to spoil anything,
36:13
Speaker 2: but just tell you some good stuff. Is you know,
36:16
Speaker 2: hidden camera interview with the guy who says, I just can't.
36:19
Speaker 2: I just can't. My career would be over. I'm just
36:21
Speaker 2: not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. Well,
36:23
Speaker 2: people try to persuade him to release the study that
36:25
Speaker 2: would Yes, it would help a lot of people. I agree,
36:27
Speaker 2: it would help a lot of people, and I agree
36:29
Speaker 2: it's important. But I can't. I've had enough.
36:30
Speaker 1: I can't.
36:31
Speaker 2: I can't, and he doesn't. And it's so this, you know,
36:35
Speaker 2: this kind of thing you got the stomach for another
36:38
Speaker 2: one sure, I'll give you a big one. So because
36:40
Speaker 2: you mentioned AIDS AIDS is like gravity, you're not allowed
36:43
Speaker 2: to question it. It's you know, it's a holocaust, Yeah,
36:46
Speaker 2: holocaust gravity moon landing. Hitler, by the way, killed, Was
36:51
Speaker 2: he killed by the Russians? Well, turns out the skull
36:54
Speaker 2: fragment belonged to a woman in her thirties. Isn't it
36:57
Speaker 2: a narrative meaning this is the only guy who didn't
37:00
Speaker 2: have an escape plan. Everybody else went to Argentina. They
37:02
Speaker 2: even took whole submarines all the way to Argentina on
37:06
Speaker 2: two month trips that were found weeks after the war,
37:09
Speaker 2: there were still finding submarines in Argentina. But this one guy,
37:12
Speaker 2: even though there's a pilot who testified that he flew
37:16
Speaker 2: him out of Germany, flew him out of Berlin. Why
37:18
Speaker 2: would anybody lie about that? Well, because the Russians are
37:21
Speaker 2: coming into Berlin and you've hardly conquered anything. If the
37:24
Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden hasn't been caught, if Hitler's is free
37:28
Speaker 2: and is somewhere in the world, But that narrative is
37:31
Speaker 2: really interesting for people to dig into. Get on groc
37:34
Speaker 2: or get on chat ChiPT now quick note on chat
37:38
Speaker 2: Cheapt and Grock. The first answer you get will usually
37:41
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37:45
Speaker 2: keep asking, You have to say look again, you have
37:48
Speaker 2: to push the thing, and then you'll get remarkable information.
37:51
Speaker 2: That way, you still have to check it all because
37:53
Speaker 2: the thing has delusions, you know, as we know. But
37:57
Speaker 2: my point is that all these things that are we're
38:00
Speaker 2: not allowed to question because they are just facts. Like gravity.
38:04
Speaker 2: Well a big one is vaccines cannot be linked to autism.
38:09
Speaker 2: We all know that. That's like, we know it, just
38:11
Speaker 2: like we know gravity, just like we know the Earth
38:13
Speaker 2: rotates around the Sun. How do we know it? Now?
38:16
Speaker 2: Suddenly when you say who debunked it? And how is
38:20
Speaker 2: it debunked? All of a sudden, nobody can answer your question.
38:22
Speaker 2: Not a single pediatrician you'll ever meet can answer that question.
38:25
Speaker 2: So I'm going to answer it today. How do we
38:27
Speaker 2: know who debunked it? It was debunked by the Institute
38:31
Speaker 2: of Medicine. And how they debunked it I'll talk about
38:34
Speaker 2: in a minute because it's funny. But what is the
38:37
Speaker 2: Institute of Medicine. Well, everybody knows that's a big, important,
38:40
Speaker 2: revered organization all about science. Part of the National Academies
38:44
Speaker 2: of Science government organization. Guess what private organization not a
38:49
Speaker 2: government organization. The Institute of Medicine and the National Academy
38:52
Speaker 2: of Science is both completely private organizations, sometimes funded by
38:56
Speaker 2: government and sometimes funded by pharma. And so they debunked it.
39:01
Speaker 2: And the way they debunked it is by having the
39:05
Speaker 2: same way they used for agent orange. So why I
39:08
Speaker 2: want to talk about agent orange for a second is
39:10
Speaker 2: a long answer. Okay, okay if I can even remember
39:13
Speaker 2: the question. But here's the agent orange piece. It's good
39:18
Speaker 2: for people to hear because they're not emotional about it, right.
39:20
Speaker 2: They're emotional about age. They're very emotional about vaccines and
39:24
Speaker 2: COVID and what have you. But agent orange, people have
39:26
Speaker 2: pretty much forgotten about what happens is agent orange is
39:31
Speaker 2: used to defoliate forests and jungles in Vietnam, but it's
39:36
Speaker 2: actually a chemical weapon. The US government denies it it's
39:39
Speaker 2: a chemical weapon, but they know that they tested it.
39:42
Speaker 2: It has dioxid in it, and they tested it on
39:44
Speaker 2: forty unlucky monkeys. Now, these monkeys in these medical tests,
39:49
Speaker 2: they are always unlucky. They very rarely come out feeling fine.
39:53
Speaker 2: Of these forty thirty seven died within a week, So
39:57
Speaker 2: the US government knew they had something here that was
39:59
Speaker 2: quite toxic. They spray it all over Vietnam, and our
40:02
Speaker 2: troops get very, very sick. They have children with deformities.
40:07
Speaker 2: They come and they complain to the US government, and
40:10
Speaker 2: the US government takes that monkey study, stamps it top secret,
40:14
Speaker 2: and hides it all the way till two thousand and
40:17
Speaker 2: something when they go to the Institute of Medicine and
40:21
Speaker 2: they say study this thing. So the Institute of Medicine,
40:25
Speaker 2: I'm just going to look at my notes because i
40:26
Speaker 2: want to get it right. The Institute of Medicine does
40:29
Speaker 2: a study, and the conclusion of their two thousand and
40:32
Speaker 2: one study very powerful conclusion. More studies needed, that's what
40:37
Speaker 2: they conclude for all these people who are waiting for
40:39
Speaker 2: compensation and waiting to have the answers to be sure
40:44
Speaker 2: with that bullshit answer, more studies needed. They do another
40:47
Speaker 2: study in two thousand and six, and then one in
40:50
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and one in twenty ten, and
40:53
Speaker 2: one in twenty twelve, and one in twenty fourteen, and
40:55
Speaker 2: they all come up with the same conclusion. More studies needed.
41:00
Speaker 2: And this is one of the methods used by the
41:02
Speaker 2: US government to drag things out to where the people
41:07
Speaker 2: who are making the complaint about Gulf War syndrome also
41:10
Speaker 2: debunked by the Institute of Medicine or agent Orange, have
41:15
Speaker 2: died or given up. And there's a bunch of examples
41:18
Speaker 2: of this. And so it took the Institute of Medicine
41:20
Speaker 2: twenty two years to debunk this thing. And finally the
41:25
Speaker 2: very famous Admiral Zumwalt did an independent study, and he
41:30
Speaker 2: goes and testifies before Congress, and I'm going to read it.
41:32
Speaker 2: He says government and industry officials intentionally manipulated or withheld
41:37
Speaker 2: compelling information about the adverse health effects from agent orange.
41:42
Speaker 2: And why was his testimony so important Because he is
41:45
Speaker 2: the person who ordered the use of agent orange and
41:48
Speaker 2: because his own son died from it. Jesus. So you
41:53
Speaker 2: look at that, and then you say, if people listening
41:58
Speaker 2: to me and you now can embrace the idea that, hey,
42:01
Speaker 2: maybe the government does that sometimes. If you can just
42:04
Speaker 2: take that on board, then maybe you can recognize that
42:07
Speaker 2: when the Institute of Medicine does the same thing with
42:10
Speaker 2: the same methods, for the same money paid by the
42:12
Speaker 2: same people, with the same experts for the same reasons.
42:16
Speaker 2: Then maybe you can say, what about the other stuff
42:19
Speaker 2: they did, like vaccines and autism, which is really vaccines
42:24
Speaker 2: and brain damage, which we know vaccines cause it's on
42:28
Speaker 2: every package insert for many many vaccines, meaning they already
42:32
Speaker 2: acknowledge brain damage. The issue is autism, which is a
42:34
Speaker 2: clever definition, very complicated, twelve thousand words in the Wikipedia
42:40
Speaker 2: article on autism just to define it, and they fail
42:44
Speaker 2: four hundred citations and they end by saying, oh, we
42:46
Speaker 2: can't get it. So it's one of these things that
42:49
Speaker 2: you can't hit with an arrow because the definition is
42:52
Speaker 2: so up to But anyway, Institute of Medicine they did
42:56
Speaker 2: the same thing for cancer from baby powder, which is
42:59
Speaker 2: a great story. I want to tell you. Gulf War syndrome,
43:02
Speaker 2: silicone implants and thrax vaccines, burn pits, and SIDS all debunked.
43:07
Speaker 2: Now what do they have in common? The government didn't
43:10
Speaker 2: like it. They were going to have to pay compensation.
43:12
Speaker 2: I mean, some of this is funny. SIDS? How do
43:16
Speaker 2: they debunk sids? SIDS is the term the category that
43:23
Speaker 2: you assign when a baby's death cannot be determined. What
43:26
Speaker 2: it is you've done an autopsy, You've done an investigation,
43:29
Speaker 2: you've dragged the poor parents to the police station, You've
43:31
Speaker 2: done all that stuff, and you cannot decide how this
43:35
Speaker 2: baby died. So the Institute of Medicine could look at SIDS,
43:40
Speaker 2: which is a category of death. You can't be diagnosed
43:42
Speaker 2: with it, you can't die from it. It's a category.
43:44
Speaker 2: And they said, we don't know what causes SIDS, but
43:47
Speaker 2: we sure know what doesn't cause it. Multiple vaccines that
43:51
Speaker 2: were sure of And this is the style of bullshit
43:54
Speaker 2: that goes on.
43:55
Speaker 1: There's a correlation in terms of multiple vaccines and the
43:58
Speaker 1: amount of time period afterward words where baby dies of
44:01
Speaker 1: sudden infant death syndrome.
44:03
Speaker 2: Oh, I have no doubt that sudden infant death syndrome
44:06
Speaker 2: is often caused by multiple vaccines. I have no doubt
44:09
Speaker 2: about it. And the you know, that's for another show
44:13
Speaker 2: and a lot of it this book, I wrote a
44:14
Speaker 2: lot of it's in here, like they really, you know,
44:16
Speaker 2: I really get into explaining that that fact. But the
44:20
Speaker 2: broader point is you don't have to prove SIDS and
44:25
Speaker 2: you don't have to say COVID vaccines are a problem
44:27
Speaker 2: or or vaccines might cause you know, the mercury in
44:31
Speaker 2: vaccines or other vaccines might cause brain damage because once
44:36
Speaker 2: you break the system that they use for this debunking,
44:39
Speaker 2: once you get into understanding how this works. Can I
44:42
Speaker 2: tell you baby powder real quick?
44:43
Speaker 1: Yeah? I know about baby powder?
44:44
Speaker 2: Okay, Sir Johnson and Johnson baby powder. They go to
44:47
Speaker 2: the FDA and they say, we have to tell you
44:50
Speaker 2: something we're a little concerned about. We have found some
44:52
Speaker 2: cancer causing us best it's in our baby powder, and
44:55
Speaker 2: we're acknowledging it and we want to know what to do.
44:57
Speaker 2: And the FDA says, well, we're going to study how
45:00
Speaker 2: much cancer causing its bestess is okay, in baby powder.
45:03
Speaker 2: So they study that for forty four years, and they
45:09
Speaker 2: never considered maybe zero. I mean I had babies, I'd
45:11
Speaker 2: like zero cancer causing as bestus in the baby powder.
45:13
Speaker 2: They never thought about zero. But they study it for
45:16
Speaker 2: forty four years because time flies when you're covering up something.
45:21
Speaker 2: And the FDA finally ruled on it in the year
45:25
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, about ten months ago, after fifty
45:30
Speaker 2: two years. They knew it for fifty two I want
45:33
Speaker 2: to say effing, but I won't swear fifty two years
45:37
Speaker 2: and Johnson and Johnson, by the way, still claims our
45:41
Speaker 2: baby powder doesn't cause cancer, which is the worst advertising
45:45
Speaker 2: slogan in the history of the world.
45:47
Speaker 1: So the problem was in the places where they're mining talc.
45:52
Speaker 1: The talc and asbestos are often together. That was a problem, correct, Yeah,
45:58
Speaker 1: But they.
45:58
Speaker 2: Were able to solve the problem now because there's still
46:00
Speaker 2: Johnson and Johnson baby powder. It's just not made with talc.
46:04
Speaker 2: And they knew this, you know, fifty two years ago,
46:08
Speaker 2: and companies like Johnson and Johnson.
46:10
Speaker 1: Can I stop you? What does your baby powder having
46:12
Speaker 1: it now?
46:12
Speaker 2: Doesn't think it's cornstarch. It might be other stuff. I
46:16
Speaker 2: don't know, but you know, golf war syndrome done the
46:20
Speaker 2: same way that was depleted uranium. Correct, Gulf War syndrome. Yes,
46:24
Speaker 2: it could be a few things. There was also an
46:28
Speaker 2: ingredient in a vaccine given called squalene, which is in
46:33
Speaker 2: childhood vaccines today. It comes from shark's liver, which is
46:36
Speaker 2: what you ought to be wanting to inject into babies
46:38
Speaker 2: whenever you can. And you know, in a minute, I'm
46:43
Speaker 2: going to get into something really funny, but I want
46:46
Speaker 2: to say that when a child dies and vaccines are
46:51
Speaker 2: even a suspect when it's possible. The powers that be say, look,
46:56
Speaker 2: millions of vaccines were given and those people are all okay,
46:59
Speaker 2: as if they did some house to house survey, which
47:01
Speaker 2: of course they didn't do. But that's not how we
47:04
Speaker 2: handle air crashes. We don't say all millions of passengers
47:07
Speaker 2: to find. Don't worry about those four hundred who are
47:09
Speaker 2: dead in that plane crash. What do we do. We
47:11
Speaker 2: get the black boxes, we reassemble the plane, we reconstruct
47:15
Speaker 2: what happened, and you know they're extensively studied. If we
47:20
Speaker 2: used for plane crashes. My point is the millions don't matter.
47:24
Speaker 2: The few matter. I mean the ones who suffer. That's
47:27
Speaker 2: where you want to be doing your research, not the
47:28
Speaker 2: millions who didn't have any problem. And imagine that we
47:33
Speaker 2: took the same approach that PHARMA takes when we have,
47:37
Speaker 2: you know, a jetliner crash. You know, FARMA would say,
47:40
Speaker 2: let's say a flight from New York to London goes
47:44
Speaker 2: down in the Atlantic twenty minutes before reaching Heathrow Airport. Right,
47:48
Speaker 2: FARMA would say the flight was ninety five percent effective. Right,
47:53
Speaker 2: Or they would say, hey, at least you're better off.
47:55
Speaker 2: We got those passengers closer to London. In other words,
47:58
Speaker 2: they literally put but death out of the equation and
48:02
Speaker 2: focus just on this the numbers. And I don't care
48:07
Speaker 2: about the numbers. I care about the people who are harmed,
48:09
Speaker 2: the individuals.
48:10
Speaker 1: Who were harmed. Can I stop you there? Yeah, But
48:12
Speaker 1: they generally do is they will say it saves more
48:16
Speaker 1: lives than it costs, and that what happens is on
48:20
Speaker 1: a few very rare cases, very rare individuals, there's some
48:25
Speaker 1: sort of a reaction and those people die from that medication.
48:28
Speaker 1: But this is normal for any kind of medication that
48:31
Speaker 1: is mass prescribed. This is what they were used as
48:35
Speaker 1: an argument, and they would say that far more people
48:38
Speaker 1: like we're held vaccine, we're helped or you know measles,
48:41
Speaker 1: mumps and rebellion, whatever it is, we're helped by that
48:44
Speaker 1: than we're hurt.
48:45
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, when if you're really going to
48:49
Speaker 2: assess a product, like, no parent would let a stranger
48:51
Speaker 2: walk up to their baby on the street and inject
48:53
Speaker 2: them with something they don't know what's in it, right,
48:56
Speaker 2: And yet millions of parents do that every year in
48:58
Speaker 2: America by going to Lawngs or to Walgreens and getting
49:02
Speaker 2: a vaccine. They don't know what's in it, and they
49:04
Speaker 2: don't know about that twenty three year old pharmacist assistant
49:08
Speaker 2: who's measuring it out and giving it to you, And
49:11
Speaker 2: they don't ask questions like did your baby have an
49:13
Speaker 2: adverse reaction to this a week ago or what have you.
49:16
Speaker 2: But I want to go write to your question, which
49:18
Speaker 2: is the assessment that we would have to do for anything,
49:21
Speaker 2: forget vaccines, for any kind of drug, is what's the
49:24
Speaker 2: likelihood of getting In the case of vaccines, you have
49:26
Speaker 2: to say, what's the likelihood of getting the disease, what's
49:29
Speaker 2: the likelihood of having a terrible consequence from the disease?
49:32
Speaker 2: And does the vaccine work? And does the vaccine have
49:36
Speaker 2: any harm for anybody? Right? Well, I just want to
49:39
Speaker 2: talk about a couple of these tetanus vaccine In the
49:42
Speaker 2: United States, the number of people who died from tetanus
49:45
Speaker 2: in a decade is thirteen thirteen human beings, all old.
49:49
Speaker 2: By the way, the number of people who got tetanus
49:53
Speaker 2: in a decade one hundred and fifty four. My point
49:57
Speaker 2: on tetanus is that all all over the world, there's
50:00
Speaker 2: a map in this book, all over the world, the tetanus.
50:05
Speaker 2: How do you get tetanus? First of all, it's not transmissible.
50:07
Speaker 2: As you may know, everybody thinks you get it from
50:08
Speaker 2: a deep puncture wound with a rusty nail or what
50:11
Speaker 2: have you. Rust does not give you tetanus. It is
50:14
Speaker 2: a bacteria called the tetanus bacteria, and you've got to
50:17
Speaker 2: find it, first of all, and you take an army
50:20
Speaker 2: to find it. In the United States, by the way,
50:21
Speaker 2: you almost you won't find a doctor who's ever had
50:24
Speaker 2: a patient with tenanus in the United States. All over
50:27
Speaker 2: the world, it is fewer than one in a million
50:30
Speaker 2: people in the United States. In all Central America and
50:33
Speaker 2: South America, all twenty two countries, you can't find it.
50:36
Speaker 2: Fewer than one in one hundred thousand people getting tenanus.
50:38
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about death in Russia one death in
50:41
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, in all of Europe a few deaths,
50:45
Speaker 2: but in the Congo a lot. So this is one
50:48
Speaker 2: of those things that you have to ask what's the
50:51
Speaker 2: likelihood of risk? And you have to say does it work?
50:56
Speaker 2: And does it work without any without any side effects.
51:00
Speaker 2: Here's the reality. If I get a serious injury, deep
51:03
Speaker 2: puncture wound, right, and I go to the hospital, they
51:07
Speaker 2: clean it, and I'm done right there. Cleaning it is
51:10
Speaker 2: the end of it. But let's say they fail to
51:11
Speaker 2: clean it. Well, they always offer you a tennus vaccine anyway,
51:14
Speaker 2: right there, even if you had one a year ago.
51:17
Speaker 2: There's never a circumstance where they don't try to get
51:19
Speaker 2: you to take a tennis vaccine. So tetanus is the
51:21
Speaker 2: beautiful vaccine you can take at the time of the injury.
51:24
Speaker 2: You don't have to take it prophylactically. Five injections to
51:28
Speaker 2: little babies, little babies, you don't.
51:30
Speaker 1: Have to do that.
51:31
Speaker 2: So each one of these vaccines, each one of these
51:34
Speaker 2: is a different product. And so polio, by the way,
51:38
Speaker 2: as I head down to the polio rabbit hole for
51:41
Speaker 2: a second, I want to say it is another one
51:43
Speaker 2: of these sacred cavs, right because everybody says you don't
51:46
Speaker 2: want polio coming back. But here's the reality of polio
51:49
Speaker 2: right from the CDC website. Ninety nine percent of people
51:53
Speaker 2: who get polio never have any symptoms.
51:56
Speaker 1: I know, that's crazy.
51:57
Speaker 2: The typical symptom you had Humphreys on. So you know
51:59
Speaker 2: some of that typical symptom is having cold for a
52:02
Speaker 2: week having sniffles. Number of deaths in the world planet
52:06
Speaker 2: Earth eight billion people. Number of deaths last year from polio.
52:10
Speaker 2: You want to guess thirty zero zero number of polio
52:15
Speaker 2: cases of the real terrible outcome, which is paralysis, which
52:19
Speaker 2: is the only bad outcome. Five hundred on the planet Earth,
52:23
Speaker 2: half of whom recovered. You can recover from it on
52:26
Speaker 2: top of everything else. So you have ninety nine percent
52:29
Speaker 2: won't have any symptoms. Of the one percent, one percent
52:33
Speaker 2: of them will have poliomylitis, which is the paralysis. And
52:37
Speaker 2: of the five hundred I just told you about five
52:39
Speaker 2: sixty four in twenty twenty two, ninety seven percent of
52:44
Speaker 2: them were vaccine induced polomylitis, meaning they were the strain
52:49
Speaker 2: from the vaccine.
52:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an inconvenient truth.
52:51
Speaker 2: That's an inconvenient truth, right for the CDC website.
52:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you tell people that, there go wait a minute,
52:56
Speaker 1: what are you saying? Yeah, the vaccine is giving people polio.
53:00
Speaker 1: And you know, Alex Jones of all people told us
53:02
Speaker 1: that on the podcast a long time ago that they
53:04
Speaker 1: had to stop giving it to children in the Congo
53:06
Speaker 1: because they were getting polio from the vaccine.
53:09
Speaker 2: It's the only place they were getting pulled.
53:11
Speaker 1: Up an ap article and we're watching this ap article
53:14
Speaker 1: where it shows this oral the oral administration of polio
53:18
Speaker 1: to these little children, and it turns out a bunch
53:21
Speaker 1: of them got polio from it. And it's something like,
53:24
Speaker 1: of all the cases of polio, I believe it's ninety
53:26
Speaker 1: four percent of cases or vaccine induced ninety seven.
53:31
Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, you know, even people hearing
53:35
Speaker 2: my voice right now and yours, who can go to
53:39
Speaker 2: you know, the CDC website or who can look this
53:41
Speaker 2: up in this book? By the way, I just find
53:44
Speaker 2: a random page here, but all the pages have I
53:47
Speaker 2: don't know where's a camera, all have QR codes. Right.
53:50
Speaker 2: Everything I assert in this book takes you to the
53:52
Speaker 2: original source material. So you can decide whether you don't
53:55
Speaker 2: have to trust me on anything, but on polio, people
53:59
Speaker 2: just won't let it in the right And the reality
54:02
Speaker 2: of it is that it is very unlikely for your
54:07
Speaker 2: kid to get polio. And let's look at mumps by
54:09
Speaker 2: the way, so momps, you'll find a CBS story online
54:13
Speaker 2: that shows that they say most mumps cases are in
54:17
Speaker 2: vaccinated children. Then you dig a little deeper, what does
54:20
Speaker 2: most mean? Ninety four percent. So now you've got a
54:24
Speaker 2: vaccine that doesn't stop mumps. I mean, would you take
54:28
Speaker 2: any other product we say, you know, this will help
54:31
Speaker 2: you to whatever your sickness is. Ninety four percent of
54:33
Speaker 2: the time it won't, but you might be one of
54:35
Speaker 2: that lucky six percent. The point is that I think
54:39
Speaker 2: I believe as a parent myself, the parents have to
54:42
Speaker 2: look at each product individually and decide how likely is
54:46
Speaker 2: it my kid is going to get this thing, and
54:48
Speaker 2: what are the consequences of trying it? With COVID, It's
54:52
Speaker 2: so easy with the COVID vaccine. Your child stands zero
54:57
Speaker 2: benefit and just might die, right, And so you that's
55:02
Speaker 2: the easiest equation in history. Like, I'm not willing to
55:06
Speaker 2: have an easier case of COVID for my fourteen year old.
55:09
Speaker 2: And maybe, even though I'm admitting it's very remote, and
55:12
Speaker 2: I mean very remote, but maybe have the kid die
55:15
Speaker 2: or have the kid have mile carditis and die in
55:19
Speaker 2: five years from it. I mean, the number of athletes
55:22
Speaker 2: that drop dead in play during games. I'm talk about
55:26
Speaker 2: high school athletes is higher than it has ever been
55:29
Speaker 2: in the world. And they say, oh, no, it always happened. Well,
55:32
Speaker 2: I studied that in my last book. And it didn't
55:34
Speaker 2: always happen. It happened twenty six times a year over
55:39
Speaker 2: thirty two years. Do you know that during COVID and
55:41
Speaker 2: after the vaccination twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, and
55:44
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, we didn't have a single month that
55:48
Speaker 2: was twenty six cases of sudden death of a young person.
55:52
Speaker 2: And so you know how many were there? Well, I've
55:55
Speaker 2: got five hundred and fifty just in that book, cause unknown,
55:59
Speaker 2: and that's just looking. They're hard to find because the
56:02
Speaker 2: you only can find him in local newspapers because the
56:04
Speaker 2: national papers wouldn't report it. And you know, there are
56:07
Speaker 2: some cases that were kind of obvious, like Justin Bieber getting,
56:11
Speaker 2: you know, getting the paralysis on his face and his young,
56:15
Speaker 2: healthy wife getting a brain bleed. So there were some
56:19
Speaker 2: that weren't hideable, but those people didn't come out and say, oh,
56:22
Speaker 2: that was related to the vaccine or I took the vaccine.
56:25
Speaker 2: I don't know Justin by the way at all, but
56:26
Speaker 2: I know people going to his concerts were required to
56:29
Speaker 2: take it. So I don't know the answer. But what
56:31
Speaker 2: we do know is that the five hundred real cases,
56:35
Speaker 2: all with citations five point fifty that I put in
56:38
Speaker 2: the book Cause Unknown, that Ed Dowd did. He did
56:42
Speaker 2: the statistical work on it. We have a citation for
56:45
Speaker 2: every single one of them, and they're all it's only
56:47
Speaker 2: people under forty five. And you know what people under
56:50
Speaker 2: forty five usually don't do, drop dead right healthy, and
56:55
Speaker 2: particularly you know, children, children and athletes, and so with
56:59
Speaker 2: the covid vack mRNA vaccine. When you've got the actual
57:04
Speaker 2: original developer of the technology, Robert Malone, dead set opposed
57:09
Speaker 2: to it. When you've got Luke Montagne, who won the
57:13
Speaker 2: Nobel Prize for discovering HIV, dead set opposed to it,
57:17
Speaker 2: spending the last few months of his life touring around
57:20
Speaker 2: unhealthy saying, do not give this to your children. Then
57:23
Speaker 2: over here you've got these authoritative sources, and the authoritative
57:29
Speaker 2: sources tend to carry the day if people are and
57:33
Speaker 2: I don't mean it to be too mean, but I
57:35
Speaker 2: want people to hear it if they're lazy, because if
57:38
Speaker 2: you're a parent, vaccine is not a single product. It's
57:43
Speaker 2: not a brand. It's a whole bunch of different things
57:46
Speaker 2: that each have different risk profiles and each have different benefits.
57:49
Speaker 2: Take polio there's six different polio vaccines on the market.
57:52
Speaker 2: Are they all the same?
57:54
Speaker 1: Of course not.
57:54
Speaker 2: They have You got to choose right or you go
57:57
Speaker 2: to the pediatrician and the pediatrician tries to give you your
58:01
Speaker 2: MMR vaccine or the flu vaccine is a better example.
58:05
Speaker 2: Flu vaccines still had mercury in them until Bobby Kennedy
58:09
Speaker 2: and they lied and said they took it out in
58:11
Speaker 2: two thousand and one of all childhood vaccines. On the
58:14
Speaker 2: same page, it says except for some flu vaccines, so
58:17
Speaker 2: there was six flu vaccines. And their defense was, oh, well,
58:20
Speaker 2: parents can choose if they want it with mercury or
58:22
Speaker 2: without mercury. This is like comedy. The pediatrician doesn't ask
58:26
Speaker 2: you whether you want it with mercury or without mercury.
58:29
Speaker 2: And what parent would say, Oh, I'll tell you, give
58:31
Speaker 2: me the one with mercury. I'll take that one. I
58:33
Speaker 2: mean mercury for God's sake.
58:34
Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out about when you're
58:36
Speaker 1: talking about polio that it's also the widespread use of DDT.
58:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean causes.
58:43
Speaker 1: Oh, of course this is a big one.
58:45
Speaker 2: And not polio. By the way, it might just be
58:48
Speaker 2: Guyan Barrey syndrome and other forms of paralysis. Even sorry
58:51
Speaker 2: to interrupt, but even President Roosevelt probably didn't have polio,
58:54
Speaker 2: and yet he's the poster child for polio. There was
58:56
Speaker 2: no polio test, and he got it in adulthood, which
58:59
Speaker 2: is not normal for polio. He was paralyzed, that's true.
59:03
Speaker 1: And this DDT use it didn't just give human beings polio.
59:07
Speaker 1: It was giving farm animals polio, dogs, cows, horses, and
59:11
Speaker 1: they don't get it. They don't get polio. They don't
59:13
Speaker 1: get the polio that we get. So it's not that
59:15
Speaker 1: it cross species. That's not what happened. It's most likely
59:19
Speaker 1: that people were getting DDT poisoned because they were spraying
59:22
Speaker 1: it everywhere back then.
59:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, also starting in the forties,
59:25
Speaker 2: using mercury everywhere. The very earliest autism cases were called
59:30
Speaker 2: Canner's syndrome because of a doctor who discovered eight patients
59:34
Speaker 2: who all had He took care of a lot of kids,
59:36
Speaker 2: and he found this new syndrome that he was seeing
59:38
Speaker 2: about their behavior. They had lost their ability to speak,
59:42
Speaker 2: they had all kinds of problems, and in almost every
59:45
Speaker 2: case the father was working with mercury or mercury was
59:48
Speaker 2: being used in agriculture at that time. Mercury was like this,
59:51
Speaker 2: you know, this wonder product because it's ef an effective.
59:55
Speaker 2: That's for sure. It does shit, and so it was
59:57
Speaker 2: in a lot of things. So mercury is part of
1:00:00
Speaker 2: a lot of neurological injuries and it's you know, go
1:00:03
Speaker 2: on chat GPT and say, should I breathe mercury fumes? No?
1:00:07
Speaker 2: Should I eat it? Touch it? No? No? No? Should
1:00:09
Speaker 2: I inject it? Pause? Pause, pause, Well, in childhood vaccines,
1:00:14
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just ridiculous. I got a quick, quick one,
1:00:16
Speaker 2: I want to tell you. So I'm going to get
1:00:19
Speaker 2: a lot of shit obviously for this. And what's the
1:00:20
Speaker 2: main criticism you and I are both going to get.
1:00:23
Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, as I mentioned,
1:00:27
Speaker 2: I'm a criminologist, and I speak English and I read
1:00:29
Speaker 2: very well. And so in this book, I put together
1:00:32
Speaker 2: the information that anybody can get and put all the
1:00:36
Speaker 2: citations there. But what parents often don't know is that
1:00:40
Speaker 2: this brand vaccine vaccine good, disease bad. There's a rouse
1:00:46
Speaker 2: in there. There's a marketing ruse, which is that if
1:00:48
Speaker 2: you don't get the vaccine, you're going to get that disease.
1:00:51
Speaker 2: It is absolutely impossible for your kid to get all
1:00:55
Speaker 2: of those diseases or be exposed to all of those diseases.
1:00:58
Speaker 2: And what Humphreys didn't talk about with you, but she knows,
1:01:02
Speaker 2: is that all of the childhood vaccine diseases, all of them,
1:01:08
Speaker 2: the survival rate for a healthy American child is one
1:01:12
Speaker 2: hundred percent all of them.
1:01:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's inconvenient, right.
1:01:17
Speaker 2: The measles, well, let me do measles real quick, because
1:01:21
Speaker 2: for twenty two years, we didn't have a single measles
1:01:24
Speaker 2: death in the United States for twenty two years. And
1:01:27
Speaker 2: this is this is really interesting math. I hope people
1:01:30
Speaker 2: will will take this one on board. The death rate
1:01:33
Speaker 2: for vaccinated children with measles is zero, and the death
1:01:38
Speaker 2: rate for unvaccinated children, of which there are nine million
1:01:41
Speaker 2: in America is zero, but meaning the unvaccinated and the
1:01:46
Speaker 2: vaccinated both have the same death rate zero.
1:01:49
Speaker 1: But people have died from measles.
1:01:51
Speaker 2: Yes, people have died from measles, but all of these diseases.
1:01:55
Speaker 2: The death rates that are the scariest are old death rates. Right.
1:02:00
Speaker 2: First of all, measles was in descent anyway up until
1:02:03
Speaker 2: you know, as it headed into the eighties, it was
1:02:05
Speaker 2: already going from you know, up here to down here
1:02:08
Speaker 2: on the graph. Why is that indoor plumbing, better nutrition,
1:02:15
Speaker 2: the same thing that helped with almost every disease here Tech.
1:02:19
Speaker 1: Texas an second death.
1:02:21
Speaker 2: But this is twenty twenty four and what I said
1:02:23
Speaker 2: was in the twenty two years before that, there had
1:02:25
Speaker 2: not been a death.
1:02:26
Speaker 1: So what's causing these kids to die?
1:02:28
Speaker 2: Well, it's I don't know if you've had Pierre Corey
1:02:30
Speaker 2: on or other people, and this would be a medical
1:02:33
Speaker 2: question about whether these kids actually died of measles or
1:02:36
Speaker 2: died of poor medical care.
1:02:39
Speaker 1: That's it. With measles, Yeah.
1:02:40
Speaker 2: Died with measles, et cetera.
1:02:41
Speaker 1: By the way, for other comorbidities.
1:02:45
Speaker 2: Well they had bad treatment. It's a question for like
1:02:47
Speaker 2: somebody like Pierre Corey, I'm going to back away from
1:02:49
Speaker 2: the question. And by the way, let's own it. Let's say, oh,
1:02:52
Speaker 2: they died of measles. Let's if that's If that's true,
1:02:55
Speaker 2: then in twenty four years, two kids died of measles.
1:02:57
Speaker 2: You know what the death rate is for kids from tetanus,
1:03:02
Speaker 2: for example, the risk is that one in every one
1:03:06
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty four million Americans children will dive from tetanus.
1:03:11
Speaker 2: And if you want to make those odds better with
1:03:13
Speaker 2: a vaccine, more power to you. But one in one
1:03:16
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty four million is pretty damn that.
1:03:18
Speaker 1: Again, it's very important what you said that it can
1:03:21
Speaker 1: be taken. The vaccine can be taken once you have
1:03:24
Speaker 1: contracted technicals.
1:03:25
Speaker 2: Well, no, once you've got the injury. Right, not to
1:03:27
Speaker 2: wait if you've got the injury. But you know there's
1:03:30
Speaker 2: a ruse here, which is that deep puncture wounds does
1:03:34
Speaker 2: not mean tetanus, right right, You got to search for it.
1:03:37
Speaker 2: And as you'll see in this book, the chart that
1:03:39
Speaker 2: shows the prevalence of tetanus in the world is an
1:03:41
Speaker 2: interesting one. But I want to just quickly talk about
1:03:44
Speaker 2: this because I'm ready for the shit that I'm not
1:03:46
Speaker 2: a doctor and I shouldn't be saying any of this.
1:03:48
Speaker 2: My view is not only should I be saying it,
1:03:51
Speaker 2: but I should be doing exactly what I've done for
1:03:53
Speaker 2: my whole career, which is investigating matters and telling the truth.
1:03:57
Speaker 2: And I'm not, even by the way, an anti vaxxer.
1:04:01
Speaker 2: I think there's one vaccine I think is a great product.
1:04:04
Speaker 2: By the way, the BCG vaccine, which is for tuberculosis.
1:04:08
Speaker 2: It is used in almost every country on Earth. It's
1:04:10
Speaker 2: one hundred years old, and it has other health benefits.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: It helps with other respiratory problems, and it helps with
1:04:17
Speaker 2: with bladder cancer. It has all kinds of benefits. Guess
1:04:19
Speaker 2: what country it's not used.
1:04:20
Speaker 1: In, the United States of America.
1:04:23
Speaker 2: That's a good guess, Joe, the United States of America.
1:04:26
Speaker 2: And why because the can I guess?
1:04:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, please, the patents run out.
1:04:33
Speaker 2: There might be another reason, by the way, you might
1:04:35
Speaker 2: be on something. No, they would say, well, there isn't
1:04:38
Speaker 2: that much tuberculosis, but there's nine thousand cases a year
1:04:42
Speaker 2: versus tetanus versus tetanus with you know, thirteen cases every
1:04:47
Speaker 2: ten years.
1:04:47
Speaker 1: I don't think most people know that tennis is a bacteria.
1:04:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not transmissible, and many vaccines don't stop transmission anyway.
1:04:55
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm not saying they all don't work.
1:04:57
Speaker 2: I'm just saying you have to make a decision like
1:04:59
Speaker 2: imagine this. Some parents don't want their kids to play
1:05:02
Speaker 2: football because they might have a head injury. Right, but
1:05:04
Speaker 2: if the government mandated that you play football, we'd all
1:05:06
Speaker 2: be pretty pissed. Off. Parents decide whether their kids can,
1:05:11
Speaker 2: you know, take the bike out after Sundrin sound, whether
1:05:14
Speaker 2: they can sleep over at somebody's house. They make all
1:05:17
Speaker 2: these decisions about safety, but they give over this vaccine
1:05:21
Speaker 2: decision as if it's not their business. And you know,
1:05:25
Speaker 2: something that Bobby Kennedy is pushing for and I think
1:05:27
Speaker 2: will accomplish is called joint decision making, and that is
1:05:31
Speaker 2: that the parent and the pediatrician will decide together on
1:05:35
Speaker 2: whether or not vaccines, when to give them, how many,
1:05:38
Speaker 2: which type, et cetera. Guess who opposes that. The pediatricians.
1:05:43
Speaker 1: Right, they don't want because of financial incentive.
1:05:46
Speaker 2: Holy shit, Yes, when I was a kid, I went
1:05:48
Speaker 2: to the pediatrician. Well, first of all, I went to
1:05:50
Speaker 2: the doctor once I broke my foot. If you didn't
1:05:55
Speaker 2: have vaccines and Bobby's wellness checks and little Jamie's wellness
1:05:58
Speaker 2: checks that are necessary that you know, they bring you
1:06:01
Speaker 2: in to get the vaccines, pediatricians would have to have
1:06:04
Speaker 2: second jobs. Because most kids, particularly when they're younger and
1:06:08
Speaker 2: they're not yet affected by all the environmental toxins, most
1:06:12
Speaker 2: kids are pretty healthy. Obviously, that's less true today than
1:06:15
Speaker 2: it was when when I was a kid. But I
1:06:17
Speaker 2: want I want to share something that I'm itching to
1:06:19
Speaker 2: get out because most people just don't know much about vaccines,
1:06:23
Speaker 2: and there's information, it's all available through CDC and FDA, etc.
1:06:28
Speaker 2: That I want to share if you give me informission. Okay,
1:06:30
Speaker 2: So how does it start? Vaccine? It means you know,
1:06:32
Speaker 2: it started from the word cow voaka, it meant cow.
1:06:34
Speaker 2: So they would take puss, cowpus. You don't want to
1:06:38
Speaker 2: waste that stuff, and they would rub that into wounds
1:06:41
Speaker 2: on people. And then they decided, oh, maybe we can
1:06:43
Speaker 2: put horse puss and cowpus from an infected horse's hoof.
1:06:47
Speaker 2: We'll rub that in and they tried that, and for
1:06:49
Speaker 2: a long time they were experimenting with all these things.
1:06:52
Speaker 2: Some old timey vaccines were made by I'm going to
1:06:57
Speaker 2: read it so I get it right, steeping them for
1:07:00
Speaker 2: years in a mix of ox bile and glycerine and
1:07:03
Speaker 2: potato slices. Sounds like a joke, right, but it's true.
1:07:07
Speaker 2: But science moved on and it evolved to wear. Vaccines
1:07:10
Speaker 2: included dried rabbit spinal cords, duck embryos, chicken blood, human bile,
1:07:16
Speaker 2: because you don't want to waste that ground up rat spleens,
1:07:20
Speaker 2: and boiled pigskin. So that's old time vaccines before we
1:07:24
Speaker 2: knew anything about anything. So let's switch to the modern
1:07:27
Speaker 2: day vaccines because obviously now we're real smart and we
1:07:30
Speaker 2: know a lot of stuff. Well, here is what's in
1:07:32
Speaker 2: your childhood vaccines right now. Gelatine from boiled pigskin, kind
1:07:37
Speaker 2: of like the old one, chicken embryo protein, blood from
1:07:40
Speaker 2: the hearts of cow fetuses, DNA fragments from human fetuses,
1:07:46
Speaker 2: oil extracted from shark livers. I mentioned earlier, proteins from
1:07:49
Speaker 2: worm ovaries because you don't want to leave that out,
1:07:52
Speaker 2: and of course DNA fragments from monkey kidneys. Now, if
1:07:56
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound like a Shakespeare play, you know that
1:07:58
Speaker 2: I of newt toe of frog, lizard's leg, tongue of dog.
1:08:02
Speaker 2: When I hear that thing from Macbeth, I literally can't
1:08:06
Speaker 2: you just picture Gates and off It and Hotels sitting
1:08:09
Speaker 2: around in their witches brew putting this stuff together. I
1:08:13
Speaker 2: know I'm talking fast. I'm almost done. The other modern
1:08:16
Speaker 2: ingredients in childhood vaccines. This is what you are giving
1:08:19
Speaker 2: if you trust the vaccine manufacturers. Formaldehyde. We already know
1:08:24
Speaker 2: that's bad polysorbate eighty, which is linked to infertility, and
1:08:28
Speaker 2: my absolute favorite, potassium chloride. Why is this my favorite
1:08:33
Speaker 2: because that is the chemical that is injected as the
1:08:37
Speaker 2: third injection in lethal injections by executioners. Now, admittedly infants
1:08:43
Speaker 2: get far less of it than people who are executing,
1:08:46
Speaker 2: but we really want to be injecting any amount of
1:08:48
Speaker 2: that into human beings. Sodium borate, triton X, that's what's
1:08:52
Speaker 2: in spermicides, and of course, until very recently, ethyl mercury.
1:08:58
Speaker 1: And what is the reason why they have so many
1:09:00
Speaker 1: different ingredients?
1:09:01
Speaker 2: So I got it in this I got it in
1:09:02
Speaker 2: this book. Holding up shameless plug. I got it in
1:09:05
Speaker 2: this book because it's too long for now. But they
1:09:08
Speaker 2: have you can get it from chat GPT. They have
1:09:12
Speaker 2: and what I would have to call a kind of
1:09:14
Speaker 2: insane reason for each of these right, I mean you
1:09:17
Speaker 2: just heard what they are. I mean they're nuts. And
1:09:22
Speaker 2: people say, well, I'm not a scientist, you don't realize
1:09:24
Speaker 2: how very important each one of those ingredients is. Well,
1:09:27
Speaker 2: I do realize something, and I don't have to be
1:09:28
Speaker 2: a scientist. I don't want mercury injected into my kids. Period.
1:09:33
Speaker 2: If when I was a kid. If if a light
1:09:37
Speaker 2: fell and broke on the floor, you had to call
1:09:39
Speaker 2: a hazmat team to get rid of it because it
1:09:42
Speaker 2: had mercury. You can't touch it, you can't breathe it,
1:09:45
Speaker 2: you can't eat it, but you can inject it into babies.
1:09:47
Speaker 2: It's actually it's crazy. And you know, vaccinologists, there's a
1:09:52
Speaker 2: degree of mad science here. There's a degree of craziness.
1:09:55
Speaker 2: And again I'm still not anti vaxx. That's not the point.
1:09:58
Speaker 2: The point is learn which products you think matter, because
1:10:01
Speaker 2: they're not all the same.
1:10:02
Speaker 1: And what are they saying is the reason why they
1:10:04
Speaker 1: have all these different ingredients like monkey kidneys.
1:10:06
Speaker 2: And well some of them are. I mean, it's not.
1:10:10
Speaker 2: The one that's not funny, of course is SB forty, right,
1:10:12
Speaker 2: because siemion virus forty, most people don't know, was in
1:10:15
Speaker 2: the first polio vaccine which was recalled, and then it
1:10:19
Speaker 2: was in the second polio vaccine which was put out
1:10:22
Speaker 2: to replace the one that had siemion virus forty. It
1:10:25
Speaker 2: was in that and it's in the phiser covid vaccine
1:10:28
Speaker 2: SB forty fragments.
1:10:29
Speaker 1: And if you could explain how that happened.
1:10:33
Speaker 2: Well they will claim that they were that to grow
1:10:38
Speaker 2: the pathogen needs to be in some kind of organic
1:10:41
Speaker 2: material and that monkey kidneys is a good way to
1:10:43
Speaker 2: do it. So simion virus forty accidentally, they claim, accidentally
1:10:48
Speaker 2: got into it. Let me tell you what they claim
1:10:49
Speaker 2: for mercury, because it's a good story too. They say
1:10:52
Speaker 2: that it's a preservative and that they needed it from
1:10:55
Speaker 2: multi dose vials of the flu vaccine. Not legal in
1:11:01
Speaker 2: the UK, not in Denmark, not in Sweden, not in Switzerland,
1:11:04
Speaker 2: but for some reason in the United States it's okay
1:11:06
Speaker 2: until Bobby Kennedy took it out. I mean that committee
1:11:09
Speaker 2: that Robert Malone is on, the ACIP committee that decides
1:11:12
Speaker 2: on childhood vaccines. So why is this stuff in there? Well,
1:11:16
Speaker 2: two reasons. One is that once they get a vaccine approved,
1:11:20
Speaker 2: the last thing they want to do is come back
1:11:22
Speaker 2: to the FDA and start that process all over again
1:11:25
Speaker 2: to get a better vaccine.
1:11:26
Speaker 1: Approved, because it'll cost billions of dollars.
1:11:28
Speaker 2: Because it'll cost a lot because now it won't and
1:11:31
Speaker 2: it won't get passed. Right right now, the ACIP committee,
1:11:34
Speaker 2: I mean it's happening right now. There's a new Maderna
1:11:37
Speaker 2: vaccine and the ACIP committee is saying to FDA, give
1:11:43
Speaker 2: me all the information on this vaccine before we approve it.
1:11:46
Speaker 2: And there is no no viable safety information on these vaccines,
1:11:51
Speaker 2: particularly the childhood vaccines. There never was, as you learn
1:11:54
Speaker 2: from turtles all the way down, never a viable study
1:11:57
Speaker 2: on these. And the studies they did would be some
1:12:01
Speaker 2: of them for five days, some of them for fourteen days,
1:12:04
Speaker 2: and I'm interested in going a little longer than that.
1:12:06
Speaker 2: When it comes to my kids meaning to know whether
1:12:08
Speaker 2: they had adverse reactions, well, they.
1:12:10
Speaker 1: Would always quote, they're always saying that there have been
1:12:12
Speaker 1: numerous studies, and these studies are published. And then when
1:12:17
Speaker 1: RFK pushed them on this and forced them to reveal
1:12:21
Speaker 1: the fact that no, there weren't any studies that showed it.
1:12:24
Speaker 2: Now and there were no they had never done a study.
1:12:26
Speaker 2: There are now three, but not done by the government
1:12:29
Speaker 2: of comparing vaccinated kids to unvaccinated kids for all health outcomes.
1:12:34
Speaker 2: If you give a kid a measles vaccine, it'll stop
1:12:36
Speaker 2: them from getting measles for many years. It works, but
1:12:39
Speaker 2: does it also have other adverse effects? Right, So the
1:12:43
Speaker 2: three studies have been done, and many many more problems
1:12:49
Speaker 2: among vaccinated kids unrelated to the disease. Therefore, I'm talking
1:12:53
Speaker 2: about asthma and ADHD and neurological problems and visits to
1:12:59
Speaker 2: the patrician. It's the easiest study in the world to
1:13:02
Speaker 2: do because you go to a big company like Kaiser.
1:13:04
Speaker 2: They got the kid, they know he went in for
1:13:06
Speaker 2: a vaccine or didn't, and they know how many visits
1:13:09
Speaker 2: he had to the pediatrician, and so they can look
1:13:11
Speaker 2: very easily at it. It's not a hard project to do.
1:13:13
Speaker 2: And that's what Bobby and Dell big Tree both went
1:13:17
Speaker 2: to get done by CDC and NIH. And that's the
1:13:21
Speaker 2: meeting where Fauci said, oh, yeah, I have that study
1:13:24
Speaker 2: and he did this looking through a filebox. Oh oh,
1:13:27
Speaker 2: I can't find it. I'll send it to you. And
1:13:29
Speaker 2: then they had to sue to get it. And right
1:13:31
Speaker 2: before the showing up in court they get the letter,
1:13:34
Speaker 2: Oh there is no such study. Yeah, lying, I can't
1:13:38
Speaker 2: say the phrase line bastards.
1:13:40
Speaker 1: I can say that one, right, Yeah, you can say
1:13:42
Speaker 1: whatever you want.
1:13:42
Speaker 2: Motherfucker's there you go, thank you, that's right, right, yeah,
1:13:45
Speaker 2: And not just a line motherfucker, but a line motherfucker
1:13:48
Speaker 2: for a pardon it goes back to twenty fourteen. Yeah,
1:13:51
Speaker 2: and why would it?
1:13:52
Speaker 1: Where would you even do that? Why would you give
1:13:54
Speaker 1: a doctor who saved millions of lives from the pandemic,
1:13:57
Speaker 1: why would you give him a pardon?
1:13:59
Speaker 2: That goes back to twenty fourteen.
1:14:01
Speaker 1: It seems insane. It seems insane that you would even
1:14:05
Speaker 1: need something like that.
1:14:06
Speaker 2: I had one more ingredient. He wasn't charged with anything.
1:14:09
Speaker 2: So pardons are typically for people who are charged with something,
1:14:12
Speaker 2: not for people who might be. So it's you know,
1:14:16
Speaker 2: by the way, you'll have to tell I know I'm
1:14:19
Speaker 2: talking fast, and you'll have to tell me how we're
1:14:21
Speaker 2: doing it on time?
1:14:22
Speaker 1: But doing great?
1:14:23
Speaker 2: Okay? Thanks? In this A lot of this stuff is dark,
1:14:26
Speaker 2: and I'm like anybody else, I'm subject to getting bummed
1:14:29
Speaker 2: out by like holy shit, this stuff goes on and
1:14:34
Speaker 2: I'm getting a little better because if I accept that
1:14:36
Speaker 2: it's true, I stop being shocked and I stop being
1:14:42
Speaker 2: you know, vulnerable to the to the impact of it.
1:14:45
Speaker 2: What are you doing on that subject? How do you
1:14:47
Speaker 2: deal with it? Humor is a good way answer.
1:14:52
Speaker 1: Humor is probably the number one.
1:14:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:14:55
Speaker 1: I give myself lots of other things to do, and
1:14:58
Speaker 1: I think about other thing. You know, I just try
1:15:01
Speaker 1: not to dwell on it too much, but yeah, you
1:15:03
Speaker 1: can get really bummed out. You can get bummed out
1:15:06
Speaker 1: by the depth of the corruption and how many people
1:15:11
Speaker 1: who are intelligent, people who think they're doing the right thing,
1:15:15
Speaker 1: have become ministers of propaganda, whether they realize it or not,
1:15:20
Speaker 1: And how easy it is to dismiss anybody who ask
1:15:23
Speaker 1: questions about these very questionable things. Yeah, it's very disturbing
1:15:28
Speaker 1: and it alienates a lot of people. There's a lot
1:15:31
Speaker 1: of people that I can't talk to about certain subjects
1:15:35
Speaker 1: because they'll just spout out some propaganda and some nonsense,
1:15:39
Speaker 1: and I have to go, that's not true, and it's
1:15:42
Speaker 1: provably not true. I can show you in five minutes
1:15:45
Speaker 1: if that's not true. You know how many people I
1:15:46
Speaker 1: freaked the fuck out when I told them that ninety
1:15:49
Speaker 1: nine percent of polio is asymptomatic, And I go, I'm
1:15:53
Speaker 1: gonna show you right now. We'll just put it in
1:15:54
Speaker 1: Google and then I just show it to them, Yeah, like,
1:15:57
Speaker 1: how crazy is that? That's crazy? And then you get
1:16:01
Speaker 1: a little of them opening their eyes, but then they
1:16:03
Speaker 1: go right back into the trance. For the most part,
1:16:06
Speaker 1: most people go right back into the trance because it's
1:16:08
Speaker 1: too difficult to admit that this entire system is insanely
1:16:12
Speaker 1: corrupt and it all functions by money and incentives, and
1:16:16
Speaker 1: they are more than willing to not just give people
1:16:20
Speaker 1: bad health outcomes, but sacrifice human lives that would not
1:16:25
Speaker 1: have died because of profit. And they do that in
1:16:30
Speaker 1: a huge number of humans. There's a huge number of
1:16:34
Speaker 1: humans that will die this year because someone has decided
1:16:39
Speaker 1: that telling the truth is inconvenient because it stops them
1:16:42
Speaker 1: from making a profit, and so they will lie, and
1:16:45
Speaker 1: they will prescribe things that don't need to be prescribed
1:16:47
Speaker 1: because there's incentives, and there will be all sorts of
1:16:51
Speaker 1: besides death, all sorts of horrific health outcomes that could
1:16:54
Speaker 1: have been completely avoided, and then completely ignore any study
1:16:59
Speaker 1: like the Henry Ford stuff or any of these other
1:17:00
Speaker 1: other studies that show that, Like when they study the Amish,
1:17:04
Speaker 1: when they find out the only Amish that turned out
1:17:06
Speaker 1: to have autimism are the ones that were adopted.
1:17:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, and vaccinated and vaccine. I actually think there is
1:17:12
Speaker 2: only one case like that. Yeah, And so the Amish
1:17:15
Speaker 2: have I don't remember the numbers, but it's it's like
1:17:18
Speaker 2: seventy thousand times less autism when you do all the math, Now.
1:17:23
Speaker 1: What the hell is that? And how is that not
1:17:26
Speaker 1: freaking people out? Like how many people will just bury
1:17:30
Speaker 1: their head in the sand and say vaccines do not
1:17:33
Speaker 1: cause autism. This has been debunked. You know, I follow
1:17:36
Speaker 1: Peter Hotez on Twitter, and they'll just spout it out
1:17:40
Speaker 1: and then go about their life. They'll put their blinders on,
1:17:42
Speaker 1: fasten them securely to the side of their head, and
1:17:45
Speaker 1: plow forward. That's the majority of people, because there's a
1:17:49
Speaker 1: reality about human beings. Most people are cowards because they
1:17:54
Speaker 1: haven't had to not be a coward. They haven't had
1:17:58
Speaker 1: to test themselves against something terrifying, and so most people,
1:18:01
Speaker 1: when they encounter something that's scary, they fold. Most people.
1:18:06
Speaker 1: That's why we admire people that don't. That's why you
1:18:09
Speaker 1: see like professional fighters like, oh my god, like the
1:18:13
Speaker 1: courage that you have to have to do. That's why
1:18:15
Speaker 1: you look at Navy seals that way, the courage you
1:18:17
Speaker 1: have to have to sign up for that when it's
1:18:22
Speaker 1: terrifying for people. So most people when they encounter any pushback,
1:18:27
Speaker 1: any social ostrasation, because you're you know, you're part of
1:18:32
Speaker 1: that kooky group of people that wants to question medical science.
1:18:36
Speaker 1: They don't want that. They don't want to not be
1:18:38
Speaker 1: invited to the cocktail parties. They don't want to get
1:18:40
Speaker 1: the side eye at the gym from people. They don't
1:18:43
Speaker 1: want that. You know. I got to see it during
1:18:46
Speaker 1: the COVID, even with my children, because they weren't vaccinated
1:18:49
Speaker 1: and their friends were saying, why aren't you vaccinated?
1:18:52
Speaker 2: I thought you loved your kids.
1:18:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Well, they are vaccinating for everything else, but
1:18:57
Speaker 1: I would you know, my skepticism COVID came in waves.
1:19:01
Speaker 1: Initially I had zero me too. Initially I was I
1:19:05
Speaker 1: almost took it. The UFC allocated one hundred and fifty
1:19:09
Speaker 1: vaccines for all of their employees. I'm one of their employees.
1:19:12
Speaker 1: I showed up. I called the doctor, so I kind
1:19:14
Speaker 1: of get it today and they were going to set
1:19:17
Speaker 1: it up, but then they said no, actually we have
1:19:18
Speaker 1: to give it to you at the clinic. Can you
1:19:20
Speaker 1: go there on Monday? I said I can't, but I'll
1:19:22
Speaker 1: be back in two weeks. In that two week time,
1:19:25
Speaker 1: they had pulled it from the market. It was at
1:19:26
Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson and then two people that I knew
1:19:29
Speaker 1: had strokes that took the vaccine in the two week
1:19:32
Speaker 1: time and I'm like whoa. So then I hit the brakes.
1:19:36
Speaker 1: And then when they offered it again, I was like,
1:19:38
Speaker 1: now I think I'm good. And then my family got it.
1:19:41
Speaker 1: And then I didn't get it, and I was like,
1:19:43
Speaker 1: I thought everybody gets it. I mean cod yes, I
1:19:47
Speaker 1: mean everybody got it. I hugged my kids, I had
1:19:49
Speaker 1: sex with my wife. I tried to get it. I
1:19:52
Speaker 1: didn't get it. I was like this, She's like, You're
1:19:54
Speaker 1: gonna get it. I'm like, I'm not getting nothing. And
1:19:56
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. I had two days where I
1:19:58
Speaker 1: felt crappy, not crappy bad, but like when I worked out,
1:20:03
Speaker 1: I didn't feel strong. So what I did was I
1:20:05
Speaker 1: just worked out with lighterweights. I did like thirty five
1:20:07
Speaker 1: pound kettlebells, and I just went through a very easy
1:20:10
Speaker 1: routine where I just got my blood flowing. And then
1:20:12
Speaker 1: I said, let's see what I feel like. The next day,
1:20:14
Speaker 1: I was like I was running a science experiment on myself,
1:20:16
Speaker 1: but I was also going crazy because everybody was like
1:20:19
Speaker 1: locked down and you need some well, this is go,
1:20:23
Speaker 1: this is live to oh yeah. So then I realized, Okay,
1:20:31
Speaker 1: well you can contact it because and be in contact
1:20:35
Speaker 1: with someone who's positive and not catch it. Right, Okay,
1:20:38
Speaker 1: so what is this? And then Jamie got it and
1:20:40
Speaker 1: Tony got a bunch of our friends got it and
1:20:41
Speaker 1: they were fine and my family was fine. My kids
1:20:44
Speaker 1: got through it like that. That was the nutty thing.
1:20:46
Speaker 1: Like one of them had like a little bit of
1:20:47
Speaker 1: a headache and she came home from school and then
1:20:50
Speaker 1: she tested positive and she was sick for a day,
1:20:53
Speaker 1: maybe two days, with no medication, like nothing. And then
1:20:57
Speaker 1: the other one had it for maybe four days. She
1:21:00
Speaker 1: wasn't feeling so good. And my wife got it a
1:21:03
Speaker 1: little worse. She got it. She got it for about
1:21:05
Speaker 1: a week. She didn't feel good for about a week.
1:21:07
Speaker 1: But it was never scary. It was always like, God,
1:21:10
Speaker 1: it feels so bad, is there anything? And get you?
1:21:12
Speaker 1: Do you want this? Do you want that? But one
1:21:15
Speaker 1: of the things that we did was IV vitamins, not
1:21:18
Speaker 1: for the kids, but certainly for me when I got it.
1:21:21
Speaker 1: And I tell that to everybody when you get sick. Yeah,
1:21:24
Speaker 1: if you get sick, get ivy, high dose vitamin C,
1:21:28
Speaker 1: get zinc, get vitamin B, like you will feel so
1:21:32
Speaker 1: much better and if you can tolerate it, get nad
1:21:35
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people like nad Bugsum, it
1:21:38
Speaker 1: freaks them out.
1:21:39
Speaker 2: It doesn't get get in the sun.
1:21:40
Speaker 1: Get in the sun. Yeah that's true too, which.
1:21:42
Speaker 2: They told us to stay out of the sun right
1:21:44
Speaker 2: for all of coach.
1:21:44
Speaker 1: If you have access to red light therapy, that's great
1:21:46
Speaker 1: as well.
1:21:47
Speaker 2: Well I think you're a conspiracy theorist.
1:21:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I clearly became one. But I mean the
1:21:52
Speaker 1: social the ostracizing of people that have different perspectives was
1:21:58
Speaker 1: a real thing, and I felt it. And I didn't
1:22:01
Speaker 1: just feel it from people that I knew, which I did.
1:22:04
Speaker 1: I felt it from fucking CNN, you know. I felt
1:22:07
Speaker 1: it from the White House and I felt it through
1:22:11
Speaker 1: but it was it was kind of cool because it
1:22:13
Speaker 1: was lies. It was like, oh, you change the color
1:22:16
Speaker 1: of my face. This is you think you're gonna get
1:22:18
Speaker 1: away with this? Like how stupid are you? You don't
1:22:21
Speaker 1: think people are gonna notice. There's a giant difference between
1:22:23
Speaker 1: my Instagram video where I'm in my backyard just talking
1:22:27
Speaker 1: normal and then you make me look jaundiced.
1:22:29
Speaker 2: Ye.
1:22:30
Speaker 1: And there was also the Rolling Stone thing where they
1:22:33
Speaker 1: showed the people that were waiting in line at the
1:22:36
Speaker 1: emergency room because so many people were having horse deep warmer, Yeah,
1:22:40
Speaker 1: with gunshot wounds. They're waiting in line, along line outside
1:22:43
Speaker 1: fucking Rolling Stone, And they were saying people were getting
1:22:48
Speaker 1: overdose of horsety warmer, which, by the way, no one
1:22:50
Speaker 1: got an overdose of horsety warmer, which, by the way,
1:22:53
Speaker 1: no one's taking. You can get ivermectin online, you fucking idiots,
1:22:57
Speaker 1: and back then you could get it into a pharmacy
1:22:59
Speaker 1: until they shut that down, Like why would you shut
1:23:02
Speaker 1: down the ability to get a very useful medication? Why
1:23:06
Speaker 1: would you do that? Like, how do you know why
1:23:09
Speaker 1: this person is getting ivermectin. What if they have fucking malaria?
1:23:12
Speaker 1: What if they have you know, yellow fever or something
1:23:16
Speaker 1: where they're using ivermet where, by the way, got a
1:23:19
Speaker 1: Nobel prize.
1:23:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a very good reason for shutting it down,
1:23:23
Speaker 2: which is that if there is a medication that is
1:23:26
Speaker 2: already approved for any purpose, then you cannot get an
1:23:29
Speaker 2: emergency use authorization exactly. And the emergency use authorization was everything.
1:23:33
Speaker 2: You know, that answer you just gave me to my question,
1:23:36
Speaker 2: which was how do you how do you do it?
1:23:39
Speaker 2: Because you're hearing, you know, as much as I am
1:23:42
Speaker 2: and more just in this room from people. And that
1:23:46
Speaker 2: is the very reason I wrote this book, Because I
1:23:49
Speaker 2: wrote it to be able to hand and to let
1:23:52
Speaker 2: people who whose eyes are more open to things, hand
1:23:56
Speaker 2: this to their sister in law or brother in law
1:23:59
Speaker 2: or boss or friend or neighbor who's questioning everything. Because
1:24:03
Speaker 2: this is designed to carry you through agent Orange. Nobody
1:24:07
Speaker 2: doubts it, because it's now established, carry you through baby powder,
1:24:10
Speaker 2: now established, and show you each one of these things,
1:24:13
Speaker 2: and then talk about vaccines, and then talk about other products,
1:24:17
Speaker 2: and then talk about the other examples in order to
1:24:21
Speaker 2: inspire now skepticism. Now, can it work for everybody? Of
1:24:24
Speaker 2: course not. But I mean for it to be a
1:24:28
Speaker 2: helpful persuasive strategy because I've been in the you know,
1:24:32
Speaker 2: like you been in these conversations which I now just avoid. Right,
1:24:35
Speaker 2: there's a particular thing people say that used to piss
1:24:39
Speaker 2: me off. I let it roll off me now. But
1:24:41
Speaker 2: it would be that's not what I heard, Yeah, as
1:24:44
Speaker 2: if that means something. And so what I do is
1:24:47
Speaker 2: is I never talk with somebody without an open laptop. Right,
1:24:51
Speaker 2: I'm not going to just hear that's not what I heard.
1:24:54
Speaker 2: Not you open the laptop and I'll show you right,
1:24:57
Speaker 2: and you know. So, like in this book, at the
1:25:00
Speaker 2: beginning of it, it says something like note to the reader.
1:25:03
Speaker 2: It says, here's why the QR codes are there. When
1:25:05
Speaker 2: you encounter something you don't think is accurate, cross it
1:25:09
Speaker 2: out with a big, bold red pen. But right next
1:25:12
Speaker 2: to it, what is accurate? Because without that step, people
1:25:16
Speaker 2: get to say, I don't think so, well, then what
1:25:18
Speaker 2: is it right? Right? So I'm adding that step and
1:25:21
Speaker 2: then with all the QR codes, you can decide what's true,
1:25:25
Speaker 2: what's propaganda? Yeah, and you know, and what sources you
1:25:29
Speaker 2: want to believe.
1:25:29
Speaker 1: Well, this is It was weird because publicly there were
1:25:33
Speaker 1: stating things that go absolutely against known and established science
1:25:38
Speaker 1: and common sense. But when it comes to pandemics, yeah,
1:25:41
Speaker 1: one of them, the big one that has always been said,
1:25:45
Speaker 1: you do not vaccinate during a pandemic.
1:25:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And the other one, which is the value
1:25:51
Speaker 2: of natural immunity, which has only been known for throughout
1:25:55
Speaker 2: medical history. They suddenly said no, no, Hotez and others
1:25:59
Speaker 2: would say no, you know, you better off to get
1:26:00
Speaker 2: the immunity from the vaccine. That happens to come with
1:26:03
Speaker 2: these few side effects. I mean it, it was.
1:26:06
Speaker 1: But it's also what I was getting at with the
1:26:09
Speaker 1: don't vaccinate during a pandemic because you create variants, especially
1:26:14
Speaker 1: with a leaky vaccine, which clearly the COVID vaccine was.
1:26:17
Speaker 1: You think they lied to us at first and they
1:26:19
Speaker 1: said it's going to stop infection, stop transmission period. Oh great,
1:26:23
Speaker 1: it just works period. Step in line, let's do this.
1:26:27
Speaker 1: It just works period. But it didn't just work period,
1:26:29
Speaker 1: so that automatically would create the possibility for the environment
1:26:36
Speaker 1: for variance. And then people publicly were saying that the
1:26:41
Speaker 1: unvaccinated are causing variance, which is wild, What a wild
1:26:47
Speaker 1: twist of reality and decades of research.
1:26:51
Speaker 2: Now, the unvaccinated were the Jews in Nazi Germany. We
1:26:55
Speaker 2: were the worst thing in the world. We were the problem.
1:26:57
Speaker 2: We were spreading disease. By the way, since I mentioned that,
1:26:59
Speaker 2: it's a little digression for a second, there's a book
1:27:02
Speaker 2: called Hitler's Professors, and it is about a process that
1:27:07
Speaker 2: Hitler administration used. Remember they're in power for twelve years
1:27:11
Speaker 2: before they start killing people with industrial killing, and they
1:27:16
Speaker 2: would have professors and universities do research projects and publish
1:27:21
Speaker 2: them that said Jews spread disease, and then they would
1:27:24
Speaker 2: say to damage the economy in these ways. So using
1:27:27
Speaker 2: medical science is not new as a way to control
1:27:32
Speaker 2: populations and as a way to influence. So by the
1:27:34
Speaker 2: time you get to nineteen forty two and the population
1:27:37
Speaker 2: is sort of geared up for this degree of anti semitism.
1:27:40
Speaker 2: I'm not saying there wasn't anti semitism on its own,
1:27:43
Speaker 2: but it was exploited and you know, exposed to radiation
1:27:46
Speaker 2: in this process. Want to share two other quick things.
1:27:51
Speaker 2: When I have trouble with these topics, and I wonder,
1:27:54
Speaker 2: is you know, are people dark enough to sit in
1:27:57
Speaker 2: a room and say, yeah, it causes mild kardiitis mostly
1:28:00
Speaker 2: to young boys, but let's put it out anyway, and
1:28:03
Speaker 2: let's just not say anything. I had real trouble with that.
1:28:06
Speaker 2: And a dear friend of mine is the novelist Bruce Wagner,
1:28:09
Speaker 2: And when I brought this to him, and I said,
1:28:11
Speaker 2: I just cannot get over this hump. I cannot believe
1:28:14
Speaker 2: that people knowingly do this. I just can't get there.
1:28:17
Speaker 2: And I'm not you know, I'm a skeptical person, so
1:28:20
Speaker 2: I want to be able to believe anything, And he said, well,
1:28:24
Speaker 2: have you read the conference at Bonci? Have you you
1:28:26
Speaker 2: know what this is? No? And I said, no, I
1:28:28
Speaker 2: never heard of it. He said, go to Wikipedia and
1:28:30
Speaker 2: read the conference at Bonci. Read about that. And so
1:28:33
Speaker 2: the conference at Bonci is a conference in nineteen forty
1:28:36
Speaker 2: two where Hitler's top soldiers and intelligence people meet with
1:28:41
Speaker 2: the civilian government, the minister of finance, the minister of health,
1:28:44
Speaker 2: minister of transportation at this place called Bonci, and they
1:28:48
Speaker 2: lay out what's coming. They lay out the plan for
1:28:51
Speaker 2: what are we going to do with the Jews. And
1:28:53
Speaker 2: these are just you know, civilian guys who have cars
1:28:56
Speaker 2: and drivers and are sitting in suits and have kids
1:28:58
Speaker 2: is playing in the yard. And they slowly lay it out,
1:29:02
Speaker 2: and for example, somebody says, then we're going to move
1:29:05
Speaker 2: them by train, four hundred thousand of them. We're going
1:29:07
Speaker 2: to move them by train. And the minister of transportation says, whoa, whoa,
1:29:10
Speaker 2: we don't have enough seats on the trains. And Hitler's
1:29:13
Speaker 2: guy says, we're not using seats. And it's slowly beginning
1:29:16
Speaker 2: to drop, and these guys thinking what's up. So they
1:29:19
Speaker 2: have this conference for somebody transcribes it, and the transcription
1:29:23
Speaker 2: is leaked a little bit like happening in my book.
1:29:25
Speaker 2: I got greatly transcriptions. And you see these people talking
1:29:30
Speaker 2: about something that in the beginning they're using euphemisms relocation camps,
1:29:35
Speaker 2: and then they have a little wine after the meeting
1:29:37
Speaker 2: is over, and they stop the euphemisms, and now they're
1:29:39
Speaker 2: talking about, well, what is it you what if the
1:29:41
Speaker 2: mother is Jewish but the father isn't. What if you
1:29:43
Speaker 2: have to you? What if he's an adopted So what
1:29:45
Speaker 2: do we do with these? What do we do with that?
1:29:46
Speaker 2: And these people who walked into the room with no
1:29:51
Speaker 2: idea what was coming, are suddenly participating for all the
1:29:55
Speaker 2: reasons you mentioned earlier about normal people. Right, got a job,
1:29:59
Speaker 2: they don't want to be excommunicated. And so the conference
1:30:02
Speaker 2: at bond Si is the example that helps me remember that.
1:30:06
Speaker 2: Of course, human beings get in a room together every
1:30:08
Speaker 2: war we do, we make movies about them. They get
1:30:11
Speaker 2: in a war, they sit around a table like this
1:30:13
Speaker 2: and they say, well, we're going to lose sixty thousand
1:30:15
Speaker 2: troops in the first three weeks, so we're going to
1:30:18
Speaker 2: take out this many by this method. And generals, you know,
1:30:22
Speaker 2: war generals, they Actually it's not the perfect wording, but
1:30:26
Speaker 2: I don't have better wording. They look forward to the
1:30:29
Speaker 2: first casualties because the first casualties of our troops is
1:30:34
Speaker 2: what invigorates the war movement back home. They stormed into
1:30:39
Speaker 2: our camp at night like cowards, and they killed our boys.
1:30:42
Speaker 2: And you have to support our boys in this war.
1:30:45
Speaker 2: If you really wanted to support our boys in the war,
1:30:47
Speaker 2: you'd leave them in Philadelphia. You wouldn't send them to Iraq.
1:30:50
Speaker 2: But this is how this works. And there's no surprise
1:30:53
Speaker 2: that people sit around a table and think about what's
1:30:56
Speaker 2: the best weapon, what's the best weapon methodology that's human life,
1:31:01
Speaker 2: that's part of human history.
1:31:03
Speaker 1: And they also think what's the best way for us
1:31:05
Speaker 1: to make money? And is it going to cost human lives?
1:31:07
Speaker 2: We'll just do it, I mean, and what's the best
1:31:09
Speaker 2: way for us to control people?
1:31:11
Speaker 1: But we clearly did that with Yox when they found
1:31:14
Speaker 1: the emails that showed that they knew about the side effects.
1:31:18
Speaker 1: And then the quote was, but we think we will
1:31:20
Speaker 1: do well with this.
1:31:22
Speaker 2: I got something worse for you than that.
1:31:24
Speaker 1: It's right, it's sixty thousand people dead.
1:31:27
Speaker 2: I got something worse than that. Good timing here's Pfiser.
1:31:30
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, these are the companies we're trusting
1:31:33
Speaker 2: to make the vaccine products that we're injecting into our babies,
1:31:37
Speaker 2: and a lot of them, including on the first day
1:31:39
Speaker 2: of life for a disease the baby can't possibly get
1:31:42
Speaker 2: because the mother's tested for hepatitis be anyway. Anyway, Pfiser,
1:31:46
Speaker 2: So they get fined for illegal marketing of products. The
1:31:50
Speaker 2: company's forced to pay the largest criminal fine in US
1:31:53
Speaker 2: history at that time, plus a billion dollars more in
1:31:56
Speaker 2: a settlement in two thousand and nine for the False
1:31:59
Speaker 2: Claims Act. And I almost forgot two hundred and forty
1:32:02
Speaker 2: million in criminal fines and another one hundred and ninety
1:32:05
Speaker 2: million in two thousand and four for false claims to Medicare,
1:32:09
Speaker 2: and sixty million and forty million, seventy five million for
1:32:11
Speaker 2: fraudulent marketing, fifteen million for paying kickbacks to healthcare providers.
1:32:15
Speaker 2: That's Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson, who's a really trusted company,
1:32:20
Speaker 2: you know, to some people. They got fined five billion
1:32:24
Speaker 2: for what I already talked about, which is the the
1:32:27
Speaker 2: baby powder. Four billion, I'm sorry, and they had to
1:32:30
Speaker 2: pay out all kinds of court things. But they got
1:32:32
Speaker 2: a five billion dollar fine for multiple states for its
1:32:36
Speaker 2: role in the opioid crisis. And you know, you can
1:32:40
Speaker 2: decide if I'm overplaying this because they got deceptive marketing,
1:32:45
Speaker 2: downplaying the risks and overstating the benefits of their products,
1:32:48
Speaker 2: false claims made to mislead doctors and patients and regulators,
1:32:51
Speaker 2: tricky promotion, et cetera, et cetera. For distributing fentayl products
1:32:55
Speaker 2: and failing to adequately warn about the risk of those products.
1:32:58
Speaker 2: They're four point seven billion dollar criminal finding connection with
1:33:02
Speaker 2: baby powder, two point two billion dollars in penalties for
1:33:05
Speaker 2: illegal marketing and kickbacks. Now I know this is boring,
1:33:08
Speaker 2: so I'm going to rush through it. Glaxo smith Klein,
1:33:11
Speaker 2: same thing, all kinds of criminality. Glaxo smith Klein had
1:33:17
Speaker 2: seven hundred middlemen who were bribing doctors. And one of
1:33:21
Speaker 2: the companies that I talk about in the book, the
1:33:26
Speaker 2: sales guy comes to the CEO and he says, I
1:33:29
Speaker 2: got a great idea for our product. Most of pharma
1:33:32
Speaker 2: companies are paying doctors to go around and give seminars
1:33:36
Speaker 2: touting the drug. Right, he said, let's cut that out.
1:33:39
Speaker 2: Let's go right to pay the doctors to write the prescriptions.
1:33:42
Speaker 2: It was called bribe to prescribe. We'll pay the doctor
1:33:45
Speaker 2: to write the prescription and then he'll send it to
1:33:48
Speaker 2: a particular pharmacy and it's for drugs the patient doesn't need.
1:33:52
Speaker 2: And then we'll get a kickback from the pharmacy as well.
1:33:54
Speaker 2: Plus we'll sell our product. The CEO of that company,
1:33:57
Speaker 2: here's that. He slaps his hand on the tape and
1:34:00
Speaker 2: he says, we just got our new VP of sales. Right,
1:34:04
Speaker 2: they've been convicted, by the way, under the Rico Act. MERK.
1:34:07
Speaker 2: Other than Vyox, which caused perhaps two hundred deaths in America,
1:34:11
Speaker 2: they get a six hundred and fifty.
1:34:13
Speaker 1: I thought Viox was like fifty thousand deaths.
1:34:15
Speaker 2: No many. I mean, you go on go online and
1:34:19
Speaker 2: you'll get a whole different group of numbers.
1:34:23
Speaker 1: But i'd be more than two hundred, wasn't it.
1:34:25
Speaker 2: No, I said two hundred thousand.
1:34:27
Speaker 1: Oh you said two hundred. I thought you were talking
1:34:29
Speaker 1: about two hundred people.
1:34:30
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, sorry, I'm sorry.
1:34:32
Speaker 1: Okay, I had read sixty thousand.
1:34:33
Speaker 2: Here's a good one.
1:34:34
Speaker 1: Really, two hundred thousand.
1:34:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a good one from MRK. And by the way,
1:34:38
Speaker 2: it could be six hundred thousand for all we know.
1:34:39
Speaker 2: You think somebody's running around trying to trying to do
1:34:42
Speaker 2: that number accurately at the CDC or at MERK.
1:34:45
Speaker 1: Let's say the low end fifty thousand.
1:34:46
Speaker 2: I thought the low end was one hundred thousand. Okay,
1:34:49
Speaker 2: but it's bad.
1:34:50
Speaker 1: It's still insane.
1:34:51
Speaker 2: Here's an interesting one from MERK. Also, a bunch of
1:34:54
Speaker 2: whistleblowers came forward at MERK and they acknowledged that their
1:34:58
Speaker 2: flagship product, which is the MMR vaccine, that they tested
1:35:02
Speaker 2: it against a variant of mumps that doesn't exist in
1:35:05
Speaker 2: the wild. And guess what. The MMR did really good
1:35:09
Speaker 2: in that test, right, And it came back that it
1:35:13
Speaker 2: could pass all the requirements to be included. They added
1:35:16
Speaker 2: rabbit blood to human samples in order to pass that test.
1:35:20
Speaker 1: What yeah, why did rabbit blood help them pass that test?
1:35:24
Speaker 2: Science? Who knows? Now? They barely do that. Eli Lilly
1:35:28
Speaker 2: criminal finds of a half billion, then eight hundred million
1:35:31
Speaker 2: in settlements. This is the last one I'll do for
1:35:34
Speaker 2: a product of They're called Zyprexa. Right now, Why were
1:35:37
Speaker 2: people why did thirty two thousand people sue over Zyprexa?
1:35:41
Speaker 2: Why were they so pissed off. Was it because Zyprexa
1:35:44
Speaker 2: caused swelling in the hands and the feet, in the
1:35:46
Speaker 2: arms a little bit that pissed off some people. Was
1:35:48
Speaker 2: it because it caused problems with swallowing and drooling or
1:35:52
Speaker 2: the twisting body movements that lots of people reported some
1:35:55
Speaker 2: were pissed off about that. Was it that it caused
1:35:57
Speaker 2: stroke and heart attack I'm reading, by the way, probably
1:36:01
Speaker 2: that explained some of the resentment, But ultimately what really
1:36:05
Speaker 2: pissed people off was the big side effect of sudden death.
1:36:10
Speaker 2: But Eli Lilly made a good decision pushing Zyprexa because
1:36:15
Speaker 2: even though it cost them forty billion, I mean, even
1:36:18
Speaker 2: though it cost them billions in settlements, they made forty
1:36:21
Speaker 2: billion in revenues.
1:36:23
Speaker 1: It does the same with viox right the more twelve
1:36:25
Speaker 1: billion in revenue of where they got fined five.
1:36:28
Speaker 2: And in last thirty one years that I cover in
1:36:30
Speaker 2: the book, Pharmer manufacturers paid sixty two billion, but they
1:36:36
Speaker 2: made trillions and most of them are repeat offenders. So
1:36:41
Speaker 2: the question is why in the world do we trust
1:36:45
Speaker 2: these companies.
1:36:47
Speaker 1: It's a very good question.
1:36:48
Speaker 2: I was hoping you could answer it.
1:36:49
Speaker 1: There's no answer. People are lost in the trance. That's
1:36:53
Speaker 1: what it is they want to believe.
1:36:55
Speaker 2: And the one product, by the way, where they have
1:36:57
Speaker 2: no liability. You think that's the one where they suddenly
1:36:59
Speaker 2: get careful, right, That's.
1:37:00
Speaker 1: What's hilarious about it, and that people push back against that.
1:37:03
Speaker 1: How imperative it is that they have liability against being liable. Yeah,
1:37:08
Speaker 1: liability against whatever damage they do, liability against lies. Like,
1:37:13
Speaker 1: it's just crazy that they let them do that. Because
1:37:16
Speaker 1: vaccines cannot be both safe and effective is like literally
1:37:21
Speaker 1: what they said when they were pleading for the immunity.
1:37:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I forgot to mention earlier because you asked,
1:37:28
Speaker 2: why are some of these ingredients in the vaccines? Yes,
1:37:31
Speaker 2: so on mercury, they claim that it was a preservative
1:37:35
Speaker 2: for the multi dose vial of flu vaccine. But there's
1:37:38
Speaker 2: another ingredient you need in a vaccine, and that's called
1:37:41
Speaker 2: the adjuvant, and that's what bothers the body. That's what
1:37:44
Speaker 2: gets the body to say, I don't like this. I'm
1:37:46
Speaker 2: going to mount an immune response. And I'm quite confident
1:37:50
Speaker 2: that mercury, just like aluminum, which is still in lots
1:37:53
Speaker 2: of vaccines, childhood vaccines, that mercury's purpose in there was
1:37:57
Speaker 2: that it really pissed off the body and it got
1:38:00
Speaker 2: the numbers to work for these vaccines, in other words,
1:38:03
Speaker 2: the immune response. They're claiming it's you know, they make
1:38:07
Speaker 2: so many claims. They claim that it's such a small amount,
1:38:10
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, even though.
1:38:11
Speaker 1: Everything is the difference between ethyl mercury.
1:38:13
Speaker 2: Well that's their big claim. The big claim is they
1:38:16
Speaker 2: say that ethyl mercury is different from methyl mercury, which
1:38:19
Speaker 2: is in fish, and comparing two kinds of mercury is
1:38:23
Speaker 2: like saying, would you rather be shot with a thirty
1:38:24
Speaker 2: eight or forty five? I mean, I'd rather just not
1:38:27
Speaker 2: be shot. But I want to just talk about this
1:38:28
Speaker 2: methyl mercury thing. What they claim in this nonsense that
1:38:32
Speaker 2: they're inherently different, is that ethyl mercury, the one in vaccines,
1:38:37
Speaker 2: clears through the bloodstream more quickly than methyl mercury. And
1:38:41
Speaker 2: they're right, it does. That's been tested in monkeys, and
1:38:43
Speaker 2: it's true. Problem where does it end up in the
1:38:47
Speaker 2: brain and it collects and it doesn't clear, and it
1:38:51
Speaker 2: lasts for years. So that part they don't want to
1:38:54
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, and again somebody's going to say,
1:38:58
Speaker 2: who the hell. A lot of people they are going
1:39:00
Speaker 2: to say, who the hell am I or you?
1:39:01
Speaker 1: All this information is available, you can Yeah.
1:39:03
Speaker 2: That's right. Oh I don't mean that. I mean they're
1:39:05
Speaker 2: going to say, why am I talking about this? Well,
1:39:07
Speaker 2: because the fucking doctors aren't, because.
1:39:10
Speaker 1: Because doctors can't, they want to stay being doctor.
1:39:12
Speaker 2: That's true too, And also people need to know when
1:39:14
Speaker 2: you call your doctor and you ask for information on this,
1:39:18
Speaker 2: they just go to the CDC website. Right. They're not scientists.
1:39:21
Speaker 2: They're not conducting they're not in a lab coat conducting science.
1:39:24
Speaker 2: In this book, I have a chapter called ask your Doctor,
1:39:27
Speaker 2: and it's questions to ask your pediatrician in person, because
1:39:30
Speaker 2: if you ask them an email, they're going to give
1:39:32
Speaker 2: you an answer they just got offline, right, But if
1:39:35
Speaker 2: you ask them in person, what are the ingredients of
1:39:38
Speaker 2: childhood vaccines? U you think there's a pediatrician out there
1:39:43
Speaker 2: who can read the list I read to you, you're
1:39:45
Speaker 2: not going to find that person because they also bought
1:39:48
Speaker 2: into the idea that vaccines are a product that's uniform
1:39:52
Speaker 2: across the board. Vaccine good, disease bad. And it's their business.
1:39:56
Speaker 2: It's what they do.
1:39:58
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming license to conduct business and make billions
1:40:02
Speaker 1: of dollars and you want them to stop for ethical reasons.
1:40:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're in a priesthood and you know, and
1:40:08
Speaker 2: that is what it's like. They get all their respect
1:40:10
Speaker 2: and it's like a religion and the you know, all
1:40:14
Speaker 2: these truths that you can't talk about. I am now
1:40:17
Speaker 2: having done your show today, assuming that you air it,
1:40:21
Speaker 2: I am now officially questioning pharma companies. And and you
1:40:31
Speaker 2: know the Kissinger Report. I don't know if you've heard
1:40:33
Speaker 2: about that one. That's another real good one to add
1:40:35
Speaker 2: to your list of MK Ultra and others. You want
1:40:38
Speaker 2: that one, Yeah, I don't know. How's that starting for?
1:40:40
Speaker 2: It'll kick your ass to it's unbelievable. Nineteen seventy two
1:40:43
Speaker 2: Kissinger Report put together by CIA and USAI D and
1:40:48
Speaker 2: they it is a report that concludes that the United
1:40:51
Speaker 2: States official foreign policy, signed into law in nineteen seventy
1:40:56
Speaker 2: five by President Ford. When I say signed into law,
1:40:59
Speaker 2: it's called a President Directive, is the reduction of population
1:41:04
Speaker 2: in twelve twelve specific foreign countries, not the control of population,
1:41:09
Speaker 2: the reduction of population. And so it explains the ways
1:41:13
Speaker 2: we're going to do this is through medicalizing birth control.
1:41:17
Speaker 2: Never was before you didn't need a doctor to get
1:41:20
Speaker 2: a condom, and to go around and talk to villages
1:41:23
Speaker 2: everywhere and say you want a reproductive health freedom, don't you?
1:41:27
Speaker 2: You know what most women want on the planet Earth, babies.
1:41:31
Speaker 2: They're not looking for reproductive health freedom was a term
1:41:34
Speaker 2: for have fewer babies. Right, There is a very potent
1:41:39
Speaker 2: move in official US foreign policy to reduce population in
1:41:44
Speaker 2: other countries. Now why Philippines or Indonesia? Why they state
1:41:49
Speaker 2: it directly in the Kissinger Report because it's classified. They
1:41:52
Speaker 2: wanted to reduce those countries' development so that they wouldn't
1:41:56
Speaker 2: need their own raw materials because we want them the metals,
1:42:00
Speaker 2: et cetera. It is dark as shit, the Kissinger Report,
1:42:04
Speaker 2: and it's not classified anymore. You can ask at GPT
1:42:07
Speaker 2: about it to give you quotes from it. And so
1:42:10
Speaker 2: this whole business of population reduction is now another third
1:42:13
Speaker 2: rail I'm stepping on right. Nobody wants it? What are
1:42:16
Speaker 2: your nuts? You know a lot of people want it.
1:42:18
Speaker 2: A lot of people believe, obviously, including Bill Gates, that
1:42:21
Speaker 2: eight billion people was the number where we must turn
1:42:25
Speaker 2: it around, which is where we are supposedly now. And
1:42:28
Speaker 2: the Kissinger Report, i was a kid. I didn't write it.
1:42:31
Speaker 2: I didn't make it up. You can find it on Wikipedia.
1:42:34
Speaker 2: It's a real thing. And all the presidential directives that
1:42:37
Speaker 2: came from it would these countries like the idea that
1:42:41
Speaker 2: we show up and we say, hey, we've got a
1:42:43
Speaker 2: new tetanus vaccine for you, but it happens to also
1:42:46
Speaker 2: have in it secretly something that will reduce fertility in
1:42:49
Speaker 2: your women, as we did in India, as we did
1:42:52
Speaker 2: in Peru. In both India and Peru, we also did
1:42:55
Speaker 2: forced sterilization surgeries. US paid for them. True story.
1:42:59
Speaker 1: So the one vaccine was the DTP vaccine. Is that
1:43:04
Speaker 1: what it was?
1:43:05
Speaker 2: The one I'm talking about, the one that had in
1:43:08
Speaker 2: it It was just tetanus. But there was a vaccine.
1:43:11
Speaker 2: This was in Bobby Kennedy's book where they were talking
1:43:14
Speaker 2: about women in Africa where they were unknowingly given this
1:43:19
Speaker 2: vaccine against that was steph theorya uh tetanus. Well, it
1:43:24
Speaker 2: was the tetanus part that they were that they were pitching.
1:43:27
Speaker 2: And by the way, tetanus is a challenge in those
1:43:30
Speaker 2: countries more than it is in the United States. But yeah,
1:43:32
Speaker 2: they were called they were calling them wellness drugs.
1:43:36
Speaker 1: But they had h c G. That's correct, and that
1:43:39
Speaker 1: h CG. And they were more administered to women than
1:43:42
Speaker 1: they were to mess.
1:43:42
Speaker 2: Oh, of course, and they were five. They would administer
1:43:44
Speaker 2: five of the injections.
1:43:45
Speaker 1: And they did it under this the guys were The
1:43:49
Speaker 1: narrative was that women were more vulnerable, so you have
1:43:52
Speaker 1: to give the vaccination to women, and it was preventing
1:43:56
Speaker 1: them from getting pregnant.
1:43:57
Speaker 2: It was preventing them from getting pregnant. And they had
1:43:59
Speaker 2: World Health Organisation, which basically has this as a mission. Men.
1:44:03
Speaker 2: I wish they would sue me for saying this, but
1:44:05
Speaker 2: they have this as a mission, which is population reduction.
1:44:09
Speaker 2: From the beginning they had worked on that.
1:44:11
Speaker 1: hCG does Gates famously in the speech saying we can
1:44:15
Speaker 1: do that with vaccines.
1:44:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, in the Kissinger Report, for those
1:44:21
Speaker 2: of you not seeing this and only hearing it, that
1:44:23
Speaker 2: was me drinking that pauses me drinking water. I did
1:44:25
Speaker 2: not have a stroke. In the Kissinger Report they list
1:44:29
Speaker 2: the strategies and how much funding they'll give to each strategy.
1:44:33
Speaker 2: One of the strategies is to medicalize birth control, meeting,
1:44:36
Speaker 2: have trusted people in the villages, et cetera. Another one
1:44:38
Speaker 2: is to pay young men to have a vasectomy, just outright.
1:44:42
Speaker 2: You write a check in villages, so they get sixty
1:44:44
Speaker 2: bucks and they get a nice weekend of buying beer,
1:44:47
Speaker 2: but they never have kids. But another one of them
1:44:50
Speaker 2: is injections that reduce to temporarily reduce male fertility. Here's
1:44:55
Speaker 2: an interesting thing about that one. It's in the Kissinger report.
1:44:59
Speaker 2: Injection the temporarily reduce male fertility. The COVID vaccine reduces
1:45:04
Speaker 2: sperm count in men for three months, admitted by Fauci.
1:45:09
Speaker 2: It's not a secret. But the CDC's response was, yeah,
1:45:12
Speaker 2: but it's only for three months, and they were asking
1:45:16
Speaker 2: us to take one every fucking three months. Also the miscarriages,
1:45:19
Speaker 2: miscarriages and still births. My point is that it's no
1:45:26
Speaker 2: surprise that these persistent thoughts that I think good people believe,
1:45:31
Speaker 2: meaning I think there are good people who believe that
1:45:34
Speaker 2: population reduction is important. The fact is, of course, that
1:45:38
Speaker 2: now we are barely at replacement at replacement value right
1:45:42
Speaker 2: now in terms of many populations countries like Japan, South Korea,
1:45:46
Speaker 2: they're under replacement numbers, meaning they're not having enough babies.
1:45:51
Speaker 2: The entire population of the planet Earth could fit in
1:45:54
Speaker 2: the state of New York. I'm not saying it would
1:45:56
Speaker 2: be a pleasant place, but I'm just pointing out that
1:45:58
Speaker 2: the earth is very big, and I'm not that overpopulation
1:46:03
Speaker 2: is the issue. I do think an issue is distribution
1:46:07
Speaker 2: of food. That's a big one, meaning how we distribute
1:46:10
Speaker 2: the resources we have is affecting a lot of people.
1:46:13
Speaker 2: But whether I agree or I don't agree is irrelevant.
1:46:16
Speaker 2: A lot of people believe in this very strongly. The
1:46:19
Speaker 2: woman who founded Planned Parenthood, which I gave and still
1:46:21
Speaker 2: give money to, the woman who you know, she was
1:46:24
Speaker 2: into population reduction. By the way, when I still when
1:46:27
Speaker 2: I said a minute ago, still give money to it.
1:46:28
Speaker 2: The last one was two years now. I probably all
1:46:31
Speaker 2: these things are changing in my head, meaning everything you
1:46:34
Speaker 2: know I thought is subject to to reevaluation. And maybe
1:46:42
Speaker 2: maybe that's how we ought to live, which is to
1:46:44
Speaker 2: not lock into these positions where we think we know well.
1:46:48
Speaker 1: I think part of the problem with some poor countries
1:46:52
Speaker 1: is they don't have great infrastructure, they don't have great
1:46:55
Speaker 1: power grid, they don't have great manufacturing, they don't have
1:46:58
Speaker 1: great government. Right, well, the only way you're going to
1:47:00
Speaker 1: generate wealth is if you have legitimate power. You have
1:47:05
Speaker 1: reliable power. Well, what's the most reliable power that is clean? Well,
1:47:09
Speaker 1: that's nuclear. Well the problem with that is when you
1:47:12
Speaker 1: give people a nuclear plant, they didn't know how quick
1:47:15
Speaker 1: and easy it would be for it to convert to
1:47:18
Speaker 1: Now they have nuclear weapons. That's how you get Indian
1:47:20
Speaker 1: and Pakistan. Yeah, right, they both have nuclear weapons. Why
1:47:23
Speaker 1: they have nuclear weapons because somebody decided to build nuclear
1:47:27
Speaker 1: power plants there they figure. So you can't have the
1:47:30
Speaker 1: whole world have nuclear weapons. It's pretty nuts how many
1:47:34
Speaker 1: people have them as it is, and how we haven't
1:47:36
Speaker 1: used them.
1:47:36
Speaker 2: Well we have used them, of course, only only the
1:47:38
Speaker 2: United States used them.
1:47:40
Speaker 1: We haven't used them since I was gonna say, yeah,
1:47:42
Speaker 1: since World War Two. But this thing, this unsurmountable problem
1:47:47
Speaker 1: of providing energy and infrastructure. When you hear things like
1:47:51
Speaker 1: the Kissinger Report where it's like, we want to make
1:47:54
Speaker 1: sure that they don't develop to a point where they
1:47:57
Speaker 1: start using their own material. We need them. So let's
1:48:02
Speaker 1: fuck up this entire whatever the progress was going to be,
1:48:06
Speaker 1: let's halt.
1:48:07
Speaker 2: That, yeah, and do it in the name of showing
1:48:09
Speaker 2: up like we're here to help and we're here to
1:48:12
Speaker 2: do something wonderful for you. You know it's so dark,
1:48:17
Speaker 2: I'll get time for a funny one. Okay, this won't
1:48:19
Speaker 2: be funny, I promise, all right. So, in the Institute
1:48:23
Speaker 2: of Medicine report and study that they did on vaccines
1:48:27
Speaker 2: and what they called autism and I'll call brain damage,
1:48:30
Speaker 2: it's a closed session, right And the very first thing
1:48:34
Speaker 2: said is this optimistic pronouncement, the closed session transcripts will
1:48:39
Speaker 2: never be shared with anybody outside the committee and the staff. Well,
1:48:43
Speaker 2: that turned out to be way wrong, because somebody leaked
1:48:46
Speaker 2: the transcripts, which is why a lot of them are
1:48:47
Speaker 2: in my book.
1:48:48
Speaker 1: How do we know they's substantiated? How do we know
1:48:50
Speaker 1: that they're the absolute transcripts?
1:48:52
Speaker 2: Oh, the provenance of it. They've been now around since
1:48:56
Speaker 2: I think two thousand and nine maybe was when it
1:49:00
Speaker 2: was the beginnings of articles, and nobody's come and said,
1:49:02
Speaker 2: like Bobby Kennedy published on them, and nobody came forward
1:49:05
Speaker 2: and said, wait a minute, I never said that. And
1:49:07
Speaker 2: you can see you can tell they're real by both
1:49:11
Speaker 2: how what they say and also what they end up with,
1:49:13
Speaker 2: which is equal to the report they published. But this
1:49:16
Speaker 2: was meant to be secret. Right now, The second pronouncement
1:49:19
Speaker 2: they made this one was dead on accurate. The point
1:49:22
Speaker 2: of no return. The line we will not cross in
1:49:25
Speaker 2: public policy is pull the vaccine, change the schedule. We
1:49:28
Speaker 2: wouldn't say compensate the injured, and we wouldn't say stop
1:49:31
Speaker 2: the program. Then another one says, CDC wants us to declare, well,
1:49:36
Speaker 2: these things are pretty safe on a population basis, and
1:49:38
Speaker 2: we are not ever going to come down that autism
1:49:41
Speaker 2: is a true side effect. That is the first hour
1:49:45
Speaker 2: of their study. That is the first hour when they
1:49:48
Speaker 2: sit down to answer the question, which is, you know,
1:49:52
Speaker 2: might mercury or other ingredients be causing autism in any
1:49:56
Speaker 2: children anywhere?
1:49:57
Speaker 1: And read that quote again, go back to you.
1:50:02
Speaker 2: CDC wants us to declare, well, these things are pretty
1:50:04
Speaker 2: safe on a population basis, and we are not ever
1:50:07
Speaker 2: going to come down that autism is a true side effect.
1:50:10
Speaker 1: The CDC asked for well.
1:50:12
Speaker 2: The CDC paid for the paid for.
1:50:14
Speaker 1: The but they specifically were requesting a result.
1:50:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody kind of knows it. You know. One
1:50:19
Speaker 2: of the doctors asks, are we going to look at mercury?
1:50:22
Speaker 2: And the answer comes back fast saying not this round. Now,
1:50:27
Speaker 2: this is the first study that the US government is
1:50:29
Speaker 2: doing supposedly to find out what causes autism, but what
1:50:33
Speaker 2: they're actually doing is finding out what doesn't cause autism, right,
1:50:37
Speaker 2: which is they already know is going to be vaccines.
1:50:39
Speaker 2: And one of the doctors says, wait a second, not
1:50:41
Speaker 2: this round. If we're going to look at autism, can
1:50:44
Speaker 2: we really fundamentally look at it in isolation in the
1:50:47
Speaker 2: real world. They meaning the injections don't occur in isolation.
1:50:51
Speaker 2: Individuals that got the MMR vaccine also received the vaccines
1:50:56
Speaker 2: with mercury, right, So that's a very good point he's making.
1:50:59
Speaker 2: What happens to point Immediately, a guy named doctor Berg
1:51:03
Speaker 2: interrupts and this is where I think it's funny. I'll
1:51:06
Speaker 2: try and do it without cracking out. But this is
1:51:08
Speaker 2: what doctor Berg says. He says, I don't know how
1:51:12
Speaker 2: long it will take for us to figure out what
1:51:14
Speaker 2: the question really is. I'm a veteran of one panel
1:51:16
Speaker 2: that took six days for a group about this size
1:51:19
Speaker 2: to figure out what the question was. It can be
1:51:21
Speaker 2: a formidable issue. I don't know what the question is,
1:51:24
Speaker 2: whether it is MMR or whether it is measles vaccine.
1:51:27
Speaker 2: And somebody tries to answer him, and he says excuse me.
1:51:29
Speaker 2: We're going to have to have a method for how
1:51:31
Speaker 2: we focus the question. This is one of the questions
1:51:33
Speaker 2: we need to focus on. How are we going to
1:51:36
Speaker 2: form the question? What process are we going to use
1:51:38
Speaker 2: to form the question? The issue of specifying the question
1:51:41
Speaker 2: is a very important step. I would like to know
1:51:44
Speaker 2: how this panel is going to specify the question. In
1:51:47
Speaker 2: other words, this guy is a fucking chucklehead and this
1:51:50
Speaker 2: is what he's obsessed with and talking about. And the
1:51:54
Speaker 2: next guy, doctor Goodman, he talks all through the thing,
1:51:58
Speaker 2: and he's impossible to understand, literally impossible to understand. Here's
1:52:02
Speaker 2: his quote in the end. The bottom line is the
1:52:05
Speaker 2: only verdict that matters or is of importance is whether
1:52:07
Speaker 2: we say a causal relationship between vaccines and autism is
1:52:12
Speaker 2: likely or suggested or unlikely or inadequate. That is the
1:52:16
Speaker 2: only metric. As soon as we start introducing any other
1:52:20
Speaker 2: words that sort of sidestep to causality, but we're not
1:52:23
Speaker 2: going to say causality. I think we would introduce confusion.
1:52:27
Speaker 2: Now I read that thirty times writing this book. I
1:52:29
Speaker 2: don't understand what the fuck is saying. That's all they
1:52:31
Speaker 2: do is introduce confusion and they sit there for day
1:52:34
Speaker 2: after day after day talking not about science. There are
1:52:38
Speaker 2: scientific experts talking about words.
1:52:40
Speaker 1: How do they focus? What are you going to adder
1:52:43
Speaker 1: all these guys on when they're having these conferences. I mean,
1:52:45
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine how you're staying awake during listening
1:52:48
Speaker 1: to that guy say that.
1:52:49
Speaker 2: They barely by the way, they barely do stay awake.
1:52:51
Speaker 2: Because one of them says, if we want to subdivide,
1:52:55
Speaker 2: subdivide the categories, and boy, did they ever want to subdivide,
1:52:58
Speaker 2: then I think we have to use their It seems
1:53:00
Speaker 2: to be a strong association which we can't explain or
1:53:03
Speaker 2: we don't have any other explanation for it, or however,
1:53:06
Speaker 2: we don't want to make a causal claim because we
1:53:08
Speaker 2: know from many observational studies blah blah blah blah blah.
1:53:11
Speaker 2: He actually says, blah blah blah blah blah. That's what
1:53:12
Speaker 2: they know from observational studies, and we shouldn't put it
1:53:15
Speaker 2: in the sufficient category because that will Their fear was
1:53:19
Speaker 2: that people would be afraid to take vack scenes. Right now,
1:53:21
Speaker 2: you asked how they stay awake, they don't. They quit early,
1:53:25
Speaker 2: and they take a massive break from all the subdividing
1:53:27
Speaker 2: and language pros bullshit they're doing. And they go away
1:53:31
Speaker 2: for a few months, and then they come back and
1:53:33
Speaker 2: one guy says, you know, we should say we should
1:53:36
Speaker 2: say maybe if it happens, meaning autism or brain damage,
1:53:39
Speaker 2: it happens maybe once in a thousand times, maybe once
1:53:42
Speaker 2: in ten thousand times, maybe once in a million. In
1:53:44
Speaker 2: other words, without a calculator. This guy just went from
1:53:48
Speaker 2: a rate a thousand times different one in a thousand
1:53:51
Speaker 2: to one in a million. He's such a genius that
1:53:53
Speaker 2: he can accomplish that. I mean, it is an embarrassment.
1:53:56
Speaker 2: There's one guy, there's.
1:53:58
Speaker 1: One point that's crazy that that's the numbers he was
1:54:01
Speaker 1: throwing around. Let's just give them a narra m, give
1:54:04
Speaker 1: them a voice of authority. Yeah, that tells them it's
1:54:07
Speaker 1: very rare, don't worry about it. And then we're good.
1:54:09
Speaker 2: And it's not a bad idea. Of course, it's deceitful,
1:54:12
Speaker 2: but it's not a bad idea. At one point, by
1:54:14
Speaker 2: the way, one of the guys, Dr Johnston, he says, oh,
1:54:19
Speaker 2: this is a good one too, Doctor Stado. He says,
1:54:21
Speaker 2: let's take the top category from vaccines, the second category
1:54:25
Speaker 2: from agent orange, and then in between, let's put the
1:54:28
Speaker 2: top from agent orange and the second from vaccines. Bloilah,
1:54:32
Speaker 2: and like they've solved their problem. But one guy says,
1:54:36
Speaker 2: it's like he's reciting Hamlet. He solves the problem. He says,
1:54:40
Speaker 2: this is what we're gonna say. We're gonna say our
1:54:43
Speaker 2: information is inadequate to accept or reject. That is a statement.
1:54:49
Speaker 2: And then they work on that statement for a while.
1:54:52
Speaker 2: And there's this woman named Barbara low Fisher who offered
1:54:56
Speaker 2: them a lot of information that they rejected. They turned
1:54:59
Speaker 2: it down, and here's what they say about her in
1:55:01
Speaker 2: the meeting. They say, all we are going to get
1:55:04
Speaker 2: from her is a list of hundreds and hundreds and
1:55:07
Speaker 2: hundreds of kids who were developing normally but they got
1:55:10
Speaker 2: their MMR vaccine and then they started to regress. In
1:55:14
Speaker 2: other words, all we're going to get is exactly what
1:55:16
Speaker 2: we're being paid to sit here and do. That's what
1:55:18
Speaker 2: America was asking them to do. And so all these
1:55:21
Speaker 2: I'll just do one more. There's a guy, doctor Goodman,
1:55:25
Speaker 2: and he says to the group, I've got something big.
1:55:27
Speaker 2: He says, it's not it's still sort of rough, but
1:55:32
Speaker 2: and then he rolls out this big invention of his
1:55:35
Speaker 2: I call it the three category system that is high, intermediate,
1:55:41
Speaker 2: and inadequate, with the other two categories being no evidence
1:55:44
Speaker 2: at all or favors acceptance. And he says, what we're
1:55:47
Speaker 2: looking for is an argument that is embedded inside the rhetoric,
1:55:51
Speaker 2: an argument that might be of some value to parse
1:55:54
Speaker 2: out and take pieces of and make sure that we
1:55:56
Speaker 2: address it in its pieces. That's like a fucking scrap set,
1:56:00
Speaker 2: the turned upside down. It doesn't make any sense. But
1:56:03
Speaker 2: I'm not a scientist, so I shouldn't be able to
1:56:05
Speaker 2: opine on it. But that's why.
1:56:06
Speaker 1: But it's clear what they're doing with yes, trying to
1:56:09
Speaker 1: make that water as muddy as possible.
1:56:12
Speaker 2: And they come out with their report, and not only
1:56:16
Speaker 2: do they come out with their report saying that there's
1:56:18
Speaker 2: no link between any vaccine and any autism in any child.
1:56:22
Speaker 2: Not only that, but they say it should not be
1:56:24
Speaker 2: further studied. These guys who will do study after study
1:56:28
Speaker 2: after study for years because they're getting paid for it,
1:56:30
Speaker 2: on this one they decide no more studies. I mean,
1:56:33
Speaker 2: it's quite remarkable. And that is the thing that allows
1:56:36
Speaker 2: everybody to say to you and to me and to
1:56:39
Speaker 2: Bobby Kennedy. Well, that's debunked. That's how it happened. That's
1:56:43
Speaker 2: the debunking. And what I'm trying to do is show
1:56:46
Speaker 2: how the sausage is made in these debunking campaigns. And
1:56:49
Speaker 2: it's not pretty. Sorry, say something, say something.
1:56:55
Speaker 1: Optimistic, there's nothing optimistic after that. But it's just until
1:57:00
Speaker 1: those kind of people are no longer able to do
1:57:03
Speaker 1: those kind of things, we're going to continue to have
1:57:05
Speaker 1: new versions of this problem and there's going to be
1:57:08
Speaker 1: new things that come up that freak everybody out.
1:57:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And you know you asked at the
1:57:13
Speaker 2: very beginning, did I think that some of these things
1:57:15
Speaker 2: were intentional or were they simply exploiting the opportunities that
1:57:19
Speaker 2: came I now believe that very few things are purely
1:57:24
Speaker 2: organic events. That's what I believe. In other words, any
1:57:27
Speaker 2: giant social movement like COVID is a giant social movement.
1:57:30
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the virus. I'm talking about the response.
1:57:34
Speaker 2: This is not accidental, this is not people. Oh we
1:57:37
Speaker 2: thought this and we tried that, and we were just
1:57:39
Speaker 2: doing our best to figure stuff out. That's now impossible
1:57:43
Speaker 2: that theory.
1:57:44
Speaker 1: Do you think that the virus was released intentionally.
1:57:48
Speaker 2: I'm open to the idea. And you know, that's exactly
1:57:52
Speaker 2: the one by the way that I went to my
1:57:54
Speaker 2: friend Bruce Wagner and I was suffering over in other words,
1:57:57
Speaker 2: can people do this kind of stuff? But then you
1:57:59
Speaker 2: learn that we dropped infected tics on Cuba, that you
1:58:05
Speaker 2: know that lime disease is likely the result of experimentation.
1:58:08
Speaker 1: Now people push back on me about that one recently
1:58:11
Speaker 1: because I said that on the podcast, because lime disease
1:58:14
Speaker 1: has existed forever, right, Like there's versions of lime disease.
1:58:19
Speaker 1: It's like very ancient.
1:58:20
Speaker 2: That's true, right, I don't know, I don't know. I
1:58:22
Speaker 2: only know that, But.
1:58:23
Speaker 1: There is the reality is Plumb Island, they were doing
1:58:27
Speaker 1: bioweapons research and one of the projects was taking tics,
1:58:32
Speaker 1: of course, infecting them with different things so you could
1:58:35
Speaker 1: drop them off of helicopters, infect a population and overwhelm
1:58:38
Speaker 1: their medical system. This is established rights. And Lime Island
1:58:44
Speaker 1: was right outside or Plumb Island rather was right outside
1:58:47
Speaker 1: of Lime, Connecticut.
1:58:49
Speaker 2: That's all true, and so is it is it possible?
1:58:51
Speaker 2: It's a little bit like the big.
1:58:53
Speaker 1: It's also like, why would you defend that.
1:58:57
Speaker 2: In what way?
1:58:57
Speaker 1: Why would anybody say, oh, lime is always been around, okay, you,
1:59:02
Speaker 1: but it's never been ubiquitous. It's never been a disease
1:59:06
Speaker 1: that infects ticks and everybody gets it and the entire
1:59:09
Speaker 1: population is chronic fatigue syndrome. That's not normal, that's new.
1:59:13
Speaker 2: Yeah. I moved out of New York State. I had
1:59:14
Speaker 2: a beautiful place there, and I moved because I got
1:59:16
Speaker 2: lime disease and my kids got it, and I just
1:59:19
Speaker 2: couldn't every time I go for a walk in the
1:59:21
Speaker 2: forest have to think about, you know, this tick that's
1:59:23
Speaker 2: on you.
1:59:24
Speaker 1: Oh. I had a friend get it and his child
1:59:26
Speaker 1: got paralyzed, got face paralysis, the same thing gian Barr
1:59:30
Speaker 1: whatever it's called, dian Beray. I only see it written
1:59:34
Speaker 1: guyan Beret. His his child got it when the doctor
1:59:38
Speaker 1: was unwilling to admit that the kid had lime disease
1:59:40
Speaker 1: because the bullseye the little thing had gone away, which is,
1:59:44
Speaker 1: you know, the doctor just as it's fine. And then
1:59:46
Speaker 1: eventually got to the face paralysis where they started giving
1:59:49
Speaker 1: him like high doses of antibiotics. But my friend, both
1:59:53
Speaker 1: he and his son he got He suffered badly. He
1:59:55
Speaker 1: lost like fifty sixty pounds. He looked fucking terrible for
1:59:58
Speaker 1: a long time.
1:59:59
Speaker 2: It's it's quite serious. And you know, there was a
2:00:02
Speaker 2: giant outbreak of polio. Certainly the biggest and most important
2:00:07
Speaker 2: one happened in New York, and there too, the Rockefeller
2:00:11
Speaker 2: Foundation was working on funding a gain of function research
2:00:16
Speaker 2: on polio to make it worse.
2:00:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about this.
2:00:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, nowhere on the planet Earth had there ever been
2:00:21
Speaker 2: another outbreak like that. And the reason that polio, you know,
2:00:26
Speaker 2: was fatal to some people is because of the paralysis piece.
2:00:30
Speaker 2: But as you said, the paralysis may very well be
2:00:33
Speaker 2: the result of insecticides and other modern pathogens. And so
2:00:38
Speaker 2: it's all you know, As you asked me the big question,
2:00:40
Speaker 2: do I think it's intentional? My easiest answer is that
2:00:47
Speaker 2: I can believe almost anything. I obviously do not know
2:00:51
Speaker 2: the answer to that question. But I think it's intentional
2:00:54
Speaker 2: that they were doing gain of function research against the
2:00:57
Speaker 2: objection of many people, including President Obama well you know,
2:01:00
Speaker 2: opposed it, and they offshored it to China. Many people
2:01:03
Speaker 2: wrote articles against it. It is quite literally mad scientist insane.
2:01:08
Speaker 2: It's quite literally insane to say, can I make something
2:01:11
Speaker 2: worse than nature might? Because it might make.
2:01:14
Speaker 1: It well, not have a cure for it while you're
2:01:16
Speaker 1: doing that.
2:01:16
Speaker 2: Never, it's never worked, right, they've never done the thing
2:01:19
Speaker 2: of having.
2:01:19
Speaker 1: But that wasn't the research. The research was making the
2:01:22
Speaker 1: virus worse. The research wasn't let's make a cure for
2:01:25
Speaker 1: a virus.
2:01:25
Speaker 2: Well, it's both, because the research was make bioweapons. That
2:01:30
Speaker 2: means make it worse. But the defense for bioweapons is
2:01:33
Speaker 2: the dream of doctor Dazak, who should be in prison.
2:01:37
Speaker 2: Please sue me, Peter Dazac, Please sue me for saying
2:01:39
Speaker 2: that I have the resources to address this lawsuit with you. Anyway,
2:01:43
Speaker 2: the research he was doing to make bioweapons and to
2:01:47
Speaker 2: make something worse included, and he made a pitch to
2:01:51
Speaker 2: the Pentagon on it included having a vaccine that would
2:01:54
Speaker 2: make our troops able to walk in immune. Science fiction, right,
2:01:59
Speaker 2: science fiction, But it's very sexy science fiction, because ain't
2:02:03
Speaker 2: that the greatest war ever? But we make them sick,
2:02:06
Speaker 2: but we don't get to.
2:02:07
Speaker 1: But they didn't have a vaccine. So they had the disease,
2:02:10
Speaker 1: but they didn't have a vaccine that was effective for it.
2:02:12
Speaker 2: But he wanted to work on it, and he wanted
2:02:14
Speaker 2: to know.
2:02:14
Speaker 1: Were they're working on it. I mean you think about
2:02:17
Speaker 1: the virus. If twenty fourteen was when they brought back,
2:02:21
Speaker 1: that's the date where Fauci is immune, right, it's where
2:02:25
Speaker 1: it goes back to it, right, So that must have
2:02:27
Speaker 1: been the time where they restarted gain function research. Like
2:02:31
Speaker 1: how long were they doing it before that? Like how
2:02:32
Speaker 1: long would they be doing it? Well, they never had
2:02:34
Speaker 1: a vaccine?
2:02:35
Speaker 2: Back to paper clip, I mean back to the very beginning.
2:02:37
Speaker 2: Look humanity. The history of humanity includes that the greatest
2:02:42
Speaker 2: funding will always go to weapons, and so scientists became.
2:02:47
Speaker 2: They weren't always in the position therein that they're in
2:02:49
Speaker 2: American society, in Western society today, but they became very
2:02:53
Speaker 2: important because you could figure out things like nuclear weapons
2:02:57
Speaker 2: and bioweapons. And if you have bio weapons that are
2:03:02
Speaker 2: that are ethnically targeted, that'll be that'll be a big advancement.
2:03:06
Speaker 2: And there's no reason in the world to believe that China, Russia,
2:03:10
Speaker 2: the United States and other superpowers aren't working on that.
2:03:14
Speaker 2: Oh boy, and we are. You know we we would
2:03:18
Speaker 2: vote against it if there was a referendum, right, we
2:03:21
Speaker 2: meaning you and me and maybe Jamie. I can't tell
2:03:23
Speaker 2: about jam Wood Okay, would you Jamie.
2:03:25
Speaker 1: Jame's a good guy.
2:03:26
Speaker 2: Okay, he's he's raising his eyebrows. I don't know what
2:03:29
Speaker 2: what to think. But anyway, many I think probably most
2:03:32
Speaker 2: intelligent people would say, yeah, let's not do that, right,
2:03:35
Speaker 2: And in fact, most intelligent people might say, if we
2:03:37
Speaker 2: could go back and not have nuclear weapons, let's, you know,
2:03:41
Speaker 2: go back to that, that would be a nice thing.
2:03:43
Speaker 2: Certainly people have tried, but scientists tend to get their
2:03:47
Speaker 2: best funding. I mean, look, there's a bioweapons lab at
2:03:50
Speaker 2: the University of Boston, a high level one.
2:03:54
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
2:03:55
Speaker 2: I don't want my kid go to the University of Boston, Like,
2:03:58
Speaker 2: what are we doing that for? It's and there's there
2:04:01
Speaker 2: all over the world. There were sixty of them in Ukraine,
2:04:05
Speaker 2: funded by the United States, and we think we want
2:04:08
Speaker 2: to wonder why Russia might not like what was going
2:04:10
Speaker 2: on in Ukraine. By the way, speaking of Ukraine, I
2:04:13
Speaker 2: keep asking you five time, do I have time to
2:04:15
Speaker 2: tell the Zelensky stories, because it's another one. It's just
2:04:18
Speaker 2: you know what is Lelenski in America. He's a hero,
2:04:21
Speaker 2: he's a real warrior. He's got that nice green you know,
2:04:24
Speaker 2: warrior suit. On and here's the truth. And people know
2:04:27
Speaker 2: parts of this story, but they don't know it. It's
2:04:29
Speaker 2: in its cleanest narrative. So he was a totally apolitical
2:04:33
Speaker 2: He was an outsider to politics, zero experience or interest
2:04:36
Speaker 2: in government or politics. He was a comedian and with
2:04:39
Speaker 2: no manifesto, no party ties. And he does a TV show,
2:04:43
Speaker 2: a planned TV show called Servant of the People, and
2:04:46
Speaker 2: the main character in the show does a YouTube video
2:04:50
Speaker 2: that calls out oligarchs and corruption and eventually becomes popular
2:04:54
Speaker 2: and is drafted as a protest candidate and eventually becomes president.
2:04:57
Speaker 2: So Zelensky played on a TV show a person who
2:05:02
Speaker 2: becomes president by popular demand. In real life, the TV
2:05:06
Speaker 2: show is supported by an oligarch named Kolamoyski who owned
2:05:10
Speaker 2: the TV channel, and Kolamoyski did a huge, NonStop promo
2:05:15
Speaker 2: on that TV show to make it the number one
2:05:17
Speaker 2: show primetime slots and ads everywhere and crossovers with the
2:05:21
Speaker 2: news and what have you. Twenty eighteen, a year before
2:05:26
Speaker 2: the show goes off the air, Zelenski forms a political
2:05:29
Speaker 2: party called Servant of the People, the same title as
2:05:33
Speaker 2: the show, and in no press release, secretly done. And
2:05:38
Speaker 2: then he does another season of the show, and in
2:05:41
Speaker 2: April of twenty nineteen, he announces his actual candidacy on Instagram.
2:05:47
Speaker 2: He has no campaign, no rallies, no real platform. He
2:05:51
Speaker 2: skips the presidential debates others attended. He avoids press conferences,
2:05:56
Speaker 2: and the few that he did were in the beginning,
2:05:58
Speaker 2: were really bad and Kolamoyski's TV channel gave Zelenski's campaign
2:06:03
Speaker 2: endless airtime and favorable polls and went after his enemies.
2:06:09
Speaker 2: The US Intelligence Agency CIA and NSA helped us, spending
2:06:14
Speaker 2: five billion dollars, by the way on democracy campaigns in Ukraine,
2:06:20
Speaker 2: funneled through NGOs and USAID embeds advisors in his organization
2:06:27
Speaker 2: to help with the campaign. I'm almost done, and on
2:06:29
Speaker 2: election day Zelensky wins with seventy three percent of the vote.
2:06:35
Speaker 2: And then the war happens with Russia and he declares
2:06:38
Speaker 2: martial law and he ends elections. I'm supposed to be
2:06:41
Speaker 2: an election in twenty twenty four. That's what we get
2:06:43
Speaker 2: for our democracy money. And quite literally, he is an
2:06:46
Speaker 2: actor in a carefully designed television show. He is a
2:06:50
Speaker 2: construct like Epstein is a construct, meaning he's a created
2:06:54
Speaker 2: entity and it worked. That is Zelenski and Hero. I
2:07:01
Speaker 2: guess his stars may be fading a little bit now.
2:07:05
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think. Is he still
2:07:06
Speaker 2: wildly popular in America?
2:07:07
Speaker 1: Well, I think people are very disappointed by the fact
2:07:10
Speaker 1: that the wars continue to go on and the deaths,
2:07:13
Speaker 1: the mount of deaths. I mean, people are horrified by it.
2:07:17
Speaker 1: It's a and that's a big failure of the promises
2:07:21
Speaker 1: of the Trump administration too, because Trump famously said that
2:07:24
Speaker 1: he would get it done in twenty four hours. Well,
2:07:26
Speaker 1: you can't get it done at all.
2:07:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, and.
2:07:30
Speaker 1: They're conscripting sixty year old men, yeah, setting them to
2:07:33
Speaker 1: the front.
2:07:34
Speaker 2: Line and Americans and people from all over the world
2:07:38
Speaker 2: to go and fight. But the narrative, I think, you know,
2:07:41
Speaker 2: your very first question was that people do this on purpose.
2:07:46
Speaker 2: Things like this, like wars that are multi billion dollar events,
2:07:50
Speaker 2: they are not organic. They do not just happen, you know.
2:07:54
Speaker 2: Putin does not just decide one day, Hey I got
2:07:57
Speaker 2: an idea, you know, and to go into a part
2:07:59
Speaker 2: of of Ukraine where they're Russian speakers, they're culturally Russian,
2:08:05
Speaker 2: and it is not They are not organic events. It's
2:08:09
Speaker 2: not how people get into power in many countries around
2:08:12
Speaker 2: the world.
2:08:13
Speaker 1: Well, the crazy thing is the narrative that the soldiers
2:08:15
Speaker 1: in Russia were being told that this was going to
2:08:18
Speaker 1: be over very quickly, They're going to be welcomed, and
2:08:20
Speaker 1: then you know, they had dress uniforms in their packs. Yeah,
2:08:24
Speaker 1: they thought it was going to be a couple of days.
2:08:26
Speaker 1: Storm in, storm out, you're a hero.
2:08:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were told. We were told that in Iraq
2:08:32
Speaker 2: that we will be welcomed in Iraq as soon as
2:08:36
Speaker 2: we get to Baghdad.
2:08:37
Speaker 1: So what do you think the Ukraine thing is really
2:08:39
Speaker 1: all about?
2:08:40
Speaker 2: Well, all, why limited to Ukraine? Just talk about human war.
2:08:44
Speaker 2: I mean what is human war always about. It's about
2:08:47
Speaker 2: primacy and control and wealth. And you know, a thousand
2:08:53
Speaker 2: years ago, there's about a thousand what you would call
2:08:55
Speaker 2: government systems. Right, there's warlords, and there's shoguns in Japan,
2:08:59
Speaker 2: and there's all these little entities. In our lifetime, it's
2:09:03
Speaker 2: down to one hundred and ninety. But is it really
2:09:05
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety. It's more like five, right, NATO
2:09:09
Speaker 2: and China and the Soviet Block when it existed in
2:09:11
Speaker 2: the oil producing countries. In other words, it's getting to
2:09:14
Speaker 2: be whatever number you want to make it, but eventually
2:09:17
Speaker 2: it'll be two fuckers sitting in a room and then
2:09:18
Speaker 2: they got to kill each other, right, and then you know,
2:09:21
Speaker 2: that is the decay of empire. And we are you know,
2:09:24
Speaker 2: we have seven hundred and sixty military bases overseas. China
2:09:32
Speaker 2: has one. And I'm not saying China good, US bad.
2:09:37
Speaker 2: China's got different methods for you know, the shit they're doing.
2:09:40
Speaker 2: But you asked me, what's this war about? And I
2:09:43
Speaker 2: think we should never talk now anymore about individual wars
2:09:47
Speaker 2: and their narratives, because it's just a reality of human
2:09:52
Speaker 2: beings and human history that all wars are justified. Every
2:09:56
Speaker 2: single war is justified, right, just depends which narrative you
2:09:59
Speaker 2: want to choose. Ukraine has a perfectly good narrative, Russia
2:10:05
Speaker 2: has a good narrative, and the US it's kind of
2:10:07
Speaker 2: the weakest narrative. We're at war with Russia's what it
2:10:09
Speaker 2: boils down to, right. Wars now are electronic, and so
2:10:13
Speaker 2: the US is currently at war with Russia just using
2:10:17
Speaker 2: the bodies the meat grinder of the Ukrainians. But we
2:10:21
Speaker 2: are firing missiles, we are providing the signals, intelligence, we
2:10:28
Speaker 2: are providing the satellite information. That is how war is
2:10:31
Speaker 2: fought today, and it'll be more and more. Look at
2:10:33
Speaker 2: the drone attacks, the drone attacks that Ukraine supposedly accomplished.
2:10:40
Speaker 2: You think any US technology might have been involved in that?
2:10:43
Speaker 2: No chance, No chance I knew it. I apparently am
2:10:47
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theorist. Yeah. What I want to be, by
2:10:50
Speaker 2: the way, is just I don't have the answers on
2:10:53
Speaker 2: these things, but I want to accept, in the time
2:10:55
Speaker 2: I'm seventy one, in the time I have left on earth,
2:10:58
Speaker 2: I want to accept that these things are part of
2:11:02
Speaker 2: humanity and part of the human nature, particularly when you
2:11:08
Speaker 2: have big, centralized governments. George Carlin had a great joke.
2:11:12
Speaker 2: He said, it wasn't even a joke. We said it
2:11:14
Speaker 2: on the tonight's show. He said, I really love people
2:11:18
Speaker 2: as individuals, but as soon as you get two or
2:11:20
Speaker 2: more together, I can't stand them. Right, So, political parties, governments,
2:11:25
Speaker 2: all of that stuff, Well, large groups, you know, yes,
2:11:28
Speaker 2: doesn't work.
2:11:29
Speaker 1: Well. There's a diffusion of responsibility too, you can kind
2:11:32
Speaker 1: of that's why how corporations can function. There's so many people.
2:11:36
Speaker 1: You don't feel bad for what you're doing. You're part
2:11:38
Speaker 1: of a greater thing. It can't be stopped.
2:11:40
Speaker 2: Congress is like that, it will declare war on some
2:11:43
Speaker 2: country and no one person is responsible. But I would
2:11:47
Speaker 2: like to say something optimistic, Joe, and that is that
2:11:50
Speaker 2: you know what COVID did something the disaster of it.
2:11:56
Speaker 2: I'm not talking only about the virus. I looked at
2:11:58
Speaker 2: my life and said, what the ways things that I'm
2:12:01
Speaker 2: grateful for today that didn't exist. I made a strong
2:12:05
Speaker 2: commitment to travel with my kids because we were told
2:12:07
Speaker 2: we couldn't, and I'm very grateful for that having happened.
2:12:10
Speaker 2: I lost a lot of relationships, as I'm sure you did,
2:12:13
Speaker 2: and we both will after this talk today. But I
2:12:16
Speaker 2: also made some of the strongest relationships in my life.
2:12:19
Speaker 2: I mean people now who you or I could show
2:12:21
Speaker 2: up at their front door in a crisis at two
2:12:23
Speaker 2: in the morning and they let us in.
2:12:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so well you found out who's courageous.
2:12:28
Speaker 2: That's a very important piece and the heroism of that.
2:12:32
Speaker 2: You know, you are one of the people who has
2:12:34
Speaker 2: given me optimism and hope because you put it on
2:12:37
Speaker 2: the line in a way that most people don't, and
2:12:41
Speaker 2: governments didn't like it. Powerful governments didn't like it. And
2:12:44
Speaker 2: still don't like it, and so those relationships I think
2:12:48
Speaker 2: have made they give me optimism. And also a dear
2:12:52
Speaker 2: friend of mine said, when you think of the worst
2:12:53
Speaker 2: things that human beings do, you should also think of
2:12:56
Speaker 2: the lofty things they do at the same time, which
2:12:59
Speaker 2: is heroism and supporting each other and loving each other
2:13:03
Speaker 2: and our willingness, yours and mine. Even to talk about
2:13:06
Speaker 2: this stuff, you know, publicly is a neither one of
2:13:12
Speaker 2: us is claiming to know all these answers, but we're
2:13:15
Speaker 2: asking questions and apparently, you know, there are consequences for that.
2:13:19
Speaker 1: It's also there's a reason to do it because it's
2:13:22
Speaker 1: not being done. Like if you're looking at mainstream media,
2:13:25
Speaker 1: if you're looking at all these very respected newspapers and
2:13:31
Speaker 1: television shows, whether it's The New York Times or the Washington Post,
2:13:34
Speaker 1: why aren't they Why isn't this on the front page? Yeah,
2:13:37
Speaker 1: of course their newspaper. Why isn't this the lead on
2:13:41
Speaker 1: their television show?
2:13:42
Speaker 2: Because they are deeply corrupted and probably right after pharma,
2:13:47
Speaker 2: they are the most responsible for the suffering that people
2:13:50
Speaker 2: went through. You know, during the COVID years, six million
2:13:54
Speaker 2: people died from just regular things in America alone, because
2:13:58
Speaker 2: their families couldn't be with them. Right, you had a
2:14:00
Speaker 2: whole year in which you couldn't go to the hospital
2:14:02
Speaker 2: and hold the hand of your father. One of the
2:14:04
Speaker 2: most I had that right, I could not be with
2:14:06
Speaker 2: my father when he died. One of the most important
2:14:08
Speaker 2: passages in our lives is to be there for each
2:14:11
Speaker 2: other in that time, just like childbirth. And so these
2:14:14
Speaker 2: are dark, you know, these are dark outcomes. And in
2:14:18
Speaker 2: America we have more of an opportunity to resist than
2:14:22
Speaker 2: most other countries do. And I hope more people will
2:14:25
Speaker 2: be you know, will be skeptical and will will do it,
2:14:29
Speaker 2: and that there's hope in that. I mean, there's optimism
2:14:32
Speaker 2: in that. But I just have to let go of
2:14:35
Speaker 2: all of my beliefs that this is outrageous, meaning this
2:14:40
Speaker 2: is not outrageous. This is the way things are.
2:14:42
Speaker 1: It's normal. Yeah, it's normal. We were just very delusional
2:14:46
Speaker 1: before COVID. Yeah, I mean I certainly was me too.
2:14:49
Speaker 2: I was as gullible as the very people that you know.
2:14:51
Speaker 2: I was. Look in the car and see the guy
2:14:52
Speaker 2: with two masks in the next car. I was just
2:14:55
Speaker 2: as gullible, just different things.
2:14:57
Speaker 1: Well, it's also sometimes it's like some like this happens,
2:15:00
Speaker 1: and at what point in your life does it happen?
2:15:03
Speaker 1: May it have happened to me when I was twenty,
2:15:05
Speaker 1: I probably would have had a way different reaction than
2:15:07
Speaker 1: when I was fifty three. It's just at that time
2:15:10
Speaker 1: in my life, I was like, I don't trust you
2:15:14
Speaker 1: guys anymore. I don't try. I've already seen enough bullshit
2:15:17
Speaker 1: from you guys. I know this can't be one hundred
2:15:20
Speaker 1: percent what's going on. But the extent of the deception
2:15:24
Speaker 1: I never would have imagined the extent of the corruption.
2:15:27
Speaker 1: I never guessed. I thought the doctors were great. I
2:15:31
Speaker 1: never thought that, you know, I never thought they were
2:15:34
Speaker 1: ever doing anything that would be bad for your health
2:15:38
Speaker 1: just because there's a profit incentive. I never thought that.
2:15:42
Speaker 1: It was a little skeptical about some surgeries, like some
2:15:44
Speaker 1: surgeons wanted to do surgery, like I think you could
2:15:46
Speaker 1: rehab that. But other than that, I never thought that
2:15:50
Speaker 1: there was be this level of corruption with pharmaceutical drug companies.
2:15:54
Speaker 1: Oh maybe this is government.
2:15:55
Speaker 2: Maybe this is a blessing to come out of out
2:15:57
Speaker 2: of COVID. Because it was very persuasive. What does I mean?
2:16:01
Speaker 2: I can get pissed off at many things. One of
2:16:03
Speaker 2: them is that no human beings ever pay a penalty
2:16:07
Speaker 2: for this stuff.
2:16:07
Speaker 1: Right, right, even if it's just money, gets.
2:16:10
Speaker 2: Albert Borla, What does he care about a fine criminal find.
2:16:12
Speaker 1: I don't care. They're still making so much money and
2:16:16
Speaker 1: people are still fucking taking it.
2:16:18
Speaker 2: That's right now today.
2:16:19
Speaker 1: Sure there's ads for it. I've seen an ad where
2:16:22
Speaker 1: a lady has like two band aids and once she goes,
2:16:25
Speaker 1: I got my flu and my COVID all in one shot.
2:16:27
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, why, it's a good question. And by the way,
2:16:32
Speaker 2: the smallpox vaccine, which I talk about in the book
2:16:35
Speaker 2: in the context of showing that we know a lot
2:16:38
Speaker 2: about it because it's old, and it lists the people
2:16:41
Speaker 2: who are most vulnerable to problems from the smallpox vaccine,
2:16:44
Speaker 2: which is a nice service for the CDC to do it, meaning,
2:16:47
Speaker 2: if you have any of these conditions, be watchful of
2:16:49
Speaker 2: the smallpox vaccine, which is not a popular vaccine obviously
2:16:52
Speaker 2: unless you have a smallpox outbreak. What do they list
2:16:55
Speaker 2: on there? Diabetes? Oh, well, there's sixty five million Americans
2:16:59
Speaker 2: family history of heart disease. You know somebody who doesn't
2:17:03
Speaker 2: have a family history of heart disease, meaning everybody in America.
2:17:07
Speaker 2: It's perfectly safe for except everybody in America. Now. The
2:17:10
Speaker 2: reason I'm mentioning it is that's the vaccine that they
2:17:13
Speaker 2: rolled out from monkey pox, same vaccine, and a million
2:17:17
Speaker 2: people took the monkey pox vaccine. And the government was
2:17:20
Speaker 2: trying to get monkey pox to be as scary as
2:17:23
Speaker 2: you know, as covide, but they couldn't find anybody with
2:17:26
Speaker 2: monkey pox. They kept showing the same hands with monkey pox,
2:17:30
Speaker 2: and there was some African kid and they couldn't find
2:17:32
Speaker 2: anybody with it. And so eventually most people didn't care,
2:17:35
Speaker 2: but a million people lined up, and then CDC said,
2:17:41
Speaker 2: how about two. I think we should do two of
2:17:43
Speaker 2: these monkey pox vaccines, you know, that should be the regimen,
2:17:46
Speaker 2: and so people are scared of you know, throughout history,
2:17:50
Speaker 2: there were always witch doctors in every village.
2:17:52
Speaker 1: Right, God, the monkey box one was wild because there
2:17:56
Speaker 1: was really only promiscuous gay guys that were getting.
2:17:58
Speaker 2: There well, and only six of them, I mean four
2:18:01
Speaker 2: guys died, right, Yeah, you got to I don't even
2:18:03
Speaker 2: know about that.
2:18:04
Speaker 1: I think four guys, don't.
2:18:05
Speaker 2: I mean, we think we're told four guys. Yeah, that's
2:18:07
Speaker 2: we can be sure.
2:18:08
Speaker 1: That's right. But it was a thing where they were
2:18:10
Speaker 1: trying to spread it like it was a new epidemic
2:18:12
Speaker 1: that was gonna run through the country.
2:18:14
Speaker 2: No, it was good like age. It was going to
2:18:16
Speaker 2: try twice.
2:18:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, they tried it once and it didn't take,
2:18:19
Speaker 1: and they tried a second time.
2:18:20
Speaker 2: And you know they changed the name as well.
2:18:22
Speaker 1: What is it now, let's think what it is, monkey's defense.
2:18:25
Speaker 2: No, no, they monkey was a little comical. Monkey pox
2:18:28
Speaker 2: didn't sound serious enough, so they changed it to something else.
2:18:31
Speaker 2: Pardon me for not remembering. During the Biden administration, they
2:18:34
Speaker 2: changed it to something else, and they tried to roll
2:18:36
Speaker 2: it out. And you know this, what is it here?
2:18:39
Speaker 2: According empox? Mpos's right, that sounds a little you know,
2:18:45
Speaker 2: now that I've seen the word empox, I think I
2:18:47
Speaker 2: might get that vaccine later today. Better.
2:18:49
Speaker 1: It sounds better than monkey pox. Mpox is kind of terrifying,
2:18:52
Speaker 1: it is, and I don't want to get it clinical.
2:18:54
Speaker 2: I don't want to get it. So I'm going to
2:18:55
Speaker 2: get this. So this, you know, all this stuff that
2:18:59
Speaker 2: I that I explored over the last year does leave
2:19:04
Speaker 2: me with some optimism because when COVID happened the book
2:19:09
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four in twenty twenty one, it was the
2:19:13
Speaker 2: seventeenth best selling book in the world. So somebody was
2:19:16
Speaker 2: had their head screwed on. And so that gives me
2:19:19
Speaker 2: a little bit of hope. And this book, which can
2:19:22
Speaker 2: I be a whore and hold it up.
2:19:23
Speaker 1: Against forbidden facts?
2:19:25
Speaker 2: That's the book?
2:19:25
Speaker 1: Where can one get that? Can they get an Amazonson drum?
2:19:27
Speaker 1: Did you do an audio version of it?
2:19:29
Speaker 2: As an audio version you read it? I did, yes,
2:19:32
Speaker 2: and I love when the authors read it.
2:19:35
Speaker 1: Yes, me too.
2:19:35
Speaker 2: And there's also a whatever you call it, an e
2:19:38
Speaker 2: book version, which was only five dollars. I don't make
2:19:40
Speaker 2: any money from the book. The publisher doesn't make any
2:19:42
Speaker 2: money from the book. The purpose of the book is
2:19:45
Speaker 2: to help some people persuade some other people to be
2:19:48
Speaker 2: more pessimistic, because sorry, well that was an interesting slip.
2:19:52
Speaker 2: To be more to have more skepticism. Don't be more pessimistic. Yeah,
2:19:58
Speaker 2: it might have the result of making some people or pessimistic,
2:20:00
Speaker 2: but to be more realistic about this stuff so that
2:20:04
Speaker 2: we can maybe have enough people who say, you know
2:20:06
Speaker 2: what I mean. Interestingly, by the way, right now, COVID
2:20:11
Speaker 2: shots were supposed to be given down to six months old,
2:20:14
Speaker 2: not at this moment. It stopped by RFK Junior and
2:20:17
Speaker 2: the new administration. But it was supposed to be given
2:20:18
Speaker 2: down to six months old, and almost no parents did it,
2:20:21
Speaker 2: So that's something to be optimistic about. Yeah, they just
2:20:25
Speaker 2: whatever their sense is. This thing didn't really help the
2:20:29
Speaker 2: vaccine industry as much as they probably hoped.
2:20:31
Speaker 1: I think it did the exact opposite.
2:20:33
Speaker 2: I hope.
2:20:33
Speaker 1: I think it opened up a lot of people's eyes
2:20:35
Speaker 1: to alternative ways of doing things. But the problem is
2:20:39
Speaker 1: with some school systems, your children must be fully vaccinated
2:20:42
Speaker 1: in order to attend unless you have some sort of
2:20:44
Speaker 1: religious exemption or no.
2:20:46
Speaker 2: Even religious exemption is taken away in California. Trying to
2:20:49
Speaker 2: California is trying to take it away, and you want
2:20:52
Speaker 2: to move back. Oh, by the way, you know another
2:20:55
Speaker 2: benefit I got you're part of which is that I
2:20:58
Speaker 2: came here to see you a few years ago, and
2:21:01
Speaker 2: then I drove to San Antonio and I looked at
2:21:04
Speaker 2: some properties that were like old hotels because they were
2:21:07
Speaker 2: all empty during COVID time they'd had problems. And we
2:21:11
Speaker 2: moved our company headquarters to San Antonio, Texas, out of California,
2:21:15
Speaker 2: and that's been awesome. Where you go and you meet
2:21:17
Speaker 2: with a building inspector and he says, hey, that looks good. Yeah, okay,
2:21:21
Speaker 2: as opposed to waiting eight months to get a know.
2:21:23
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole Texas thing is a gift from
2:21:26
Speaker 2: you that I'm so grateful for. In our company now
2:21:30
Speaker 2: is based in San Antonio's its headquarters. And we don't
2:21:32
Speaker 2: require vaccination, needless to say. And we had one thirty
2:21:36
Speaker 2: one year old applicant fall down dead during the run.
2:21:39
Speaker 2: We have a physic you a run for physical requirements,
2:21:41
Speaker 2: physical fitness requirements. Vaccinated and we we did the testing
2:21:48
Speaker 2: for treponan and for D dimer which is the cardiac
2:21:51
Speaker 2: indicators from of cardiac problems. We did it. We did
2:21:55
Speaker 2: it for every applicant. And in the first fifty four
2:21:59
Speaker 2: people these are all young men who don't smoke, These
2:22:01
Speaker 2: are all fit people. In the first fifty four, seventeen
2:22:05
Speaker 2: had to go to cardiologists, That's the true stat.
2:22:08
Speaker 1: And they had no idea there was anything wrong with them.
2:22:10
Speaker 2: No, and some of them there wasn't anything.
2:22:13
Speaker 1: Diamer test detects blood clots.
2:22:15
Speaker 2: It's for microclotting, and Trapponin and d dimer are both
2:22:19
Speaker 2: cardiac indicators. And I'll tell you why I did it.
2:22:22
Speaker 2: I was having lunch with a very well known doctor
2:22:25
Speaker 2: from Yale who now has left Yale, one of the
2:22:29
Speaker 2: people who opposed the vaccine program and opposed the mandatory
2:22:32
Speaker 2: vaccines for college students but not you know, they were
2:22:35
Speaker 2: giving it to students but not faculty. Jesus. Anyway, he
2:22:41
Speaker 2: said to me, I said, we're not taking anybody and
2:22:43
Speaker 2: putting them through the physical fitness regimen to apply to
2:22:47
Speaker 2: our company if they were vaccinated in the last two weeks.
2:22:51
Speaker 2: And he said, well, where'd you get two weeks? So
2:22:52
Speaker 2: I said, I read it in an article. I really
2:22:54
Speaker 2: don't know. He said, no, no, two weeks isn't going to
2:22:56
Speaker 2: make any difference. You have to you have to test
2:23:00
Speaker 2: them for ddimer and UH and Tryponin levels. So we
2:23:04
Speaker 2: started doing that and then we did the entire company.
2:23:06
Speaker 2: Anybody who was vaccinated. Many people chose to be they
2:23:09
Speaker 2: were coming out of the military.
2:23:10
Speaker 1: But can something correct me if I'm wrong. Traponin levels
2:23:13
Speaker 1: are something that they measure for myocarditis, Correctly.
2:23:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean for cardia. It's one of the
2:23:18
Speaker 2: cardiac markers in general in blood.
2:23:20
Speaker 1: And it isn't one of the reasons why they were
2:23:22
Speaker 1: saying that more young people who were uh who just
2:23:27
Speaker 1: infected by the virus had rates of higher rates of
2:23:33
Speaker 1: myocarditis than even people that were vaccinating. Remember they were
2:23:36
Speaker 1: start trying to say that in the beginning.
2:23:38
Speaker 2: They did say it, and it is bullshit.
2:23:39
Speaker 1: It is bullshit, But it was because of traponin levels
2:23:42
Speaker 1: right from so the measured during infection.
2:23:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't know the answer, but it's possible.
2:23:47
Speaker 2: It's certainly I know the answer that it is one
2:23:49
Speaker 2: of the things measured during In fact, they.
2:23:50
Speaker 1: Were calling it myocarditis when there wasn't no rights that
2:23:54
Speaker 1: makes sense. There wasn't a scan of the heart to
2:23:56
Speaker 1: see enlargement.
2:23:57
Speaker 2: Of the heart, right there wasn't.
2:23:58
Speaker 1: You know, you can just measure you opponent levels that
2:24:00
Speaker 1: are saying, look, there's more mile carditis and people that
2:24:03
Speaker 1: are infected with the vaccine or the virus rather than
2:24:06
Speaker 1: the vaccine.
2:24:06
Speaker 2: Well that is I don't know all the details, but
2:24:08
Speaker 2: that is now dropped. In any case, they've dropped that
2:24:10
Speaker 2: defense because the reality is when you there was a
2:24:13
Speaker 2: test done at the Cleveland clinic of all the healthcare
2:24:18
Speaker 2: professionals before they were vaccinated, and then all of them
2:24:21
Speaker 2: after and they had had COVID, and so they had
2:24:24
Speaker 2: a baseline of how many had elevated d dimer for example,
2:24:28
Speaker 2: and then afterwards I'm not going to quote the stack
2:24:30
Speaker 2: because I just don't remember it. Many many people had
2:24:33
Speaker 2: the elevated d dimer afterwards who didn't have it before.
2:24:36
Speaker 2: So the vaccine, the idea that the vaccine, it's a
2:24:39
Speaker 2: good idea. It's what they always try, right, which is
2:24:41
Speaker 2: to say the disease is worse than the thing you're
2:24:44
Speaker 2: being vaccinated against. By the way, the expert who told
2:24:47
Speaker 2: me to get everybody tested in my company because they're young,
2:24:50
Speaker 2: fit men and they're stressed physically. They are very often
2:24:54
Speaker 2: heavy exertion, both through our academy and of course in
2:24:56
Speaker 2: the work is a doctor Harvey Risch. Just fy, I
2:25:00
Speaker 2: just wanted to acknowledge that that's the guy he was.
2:25:02
Speaker 2: You couldn't have been more prominent and decorated and important
2:25:06
Speaker 2: up until he started taking positions against COVID and then he, uh,
2:25:10
Speaker 2: you know, than he eventually left Yale. He's still I
2:25:13
Speaker 2: think emeritus professor there. But all those guys who who
2:25:18
Speaker 2: were brave are are really heroic because the and some
2:25:22
Speaker 2: of them now are in you know, NIH and FDA.
2:25:25
Speaker 2: Uh you know. Now, it's very interesting, very interesting and
2:25:28
Speaker 2: interesting development interesting.
2:25:30
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see what they're able
2:25:32
Speaker 1: to accomplish over these four years.
2:25:34
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you a piece of it that is
2:25:37
Speaker 2: good for your listeners to hear, and that is that
2:25:39
Speaker 2: a lot of things are being accomplished that the corporate
2:25:43
Speaker 2: media just doesn't report. Right. So when, for example, when
2:25:46
Speaker 2: the ACIP Committee decided to take mercury out of all
2:25:49
Speaker 2: vaccines and Bobby did an impassioned presentation of video asking
2:25:53
Speaker 2: all countries in the world to follow, many had already
2:25:56
Speaker 2: done it before. Nobody reported that, right, No, No corporate media
2:26:01
Speaker 2: reported that. So there's a lot of things going on
2:26:03
Speaker 2: that people just don't they just aren't aware of, and
2:26:07
Speaker 2: that are very valuable, you know, stopping a bunch of
2:26:09
Speaker 2: mRNA research projects that didn't look like they were promising,
2:26:13
Speaker 2: and stopping fluoride in water, recommending against it, all the
2:26:17
Speaker 2: things that are going on with foods. There's a lot
2:26:19
Speaker 2: going on there, but nobody will report it because if
2:26:22
Speaker 2: you didn't know this already, the corporate media hates Robert F.
2:26:27
Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior a lot, and I wonder if it has
2:26:30
Speaker 2: anything to do with being funded by pharma.
2:26:32
Speaker 1: Who knows it might have something to do with it.
2:26:34
Speaker 1: I saw a statistic that showed the percentage of mainstream
2:26:37
Speaker 1: news articles that were negative about him, and it's bananas.
2:26:39
Speaker 1: It's in the nineties.
2:26:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we also, even when I was here last time,
2:26:44
Speaker 2: we put up that something over ninety percent of cable
2:26:49
Speaker 2: news channels are sponsored by pharma. In fact, something like
2:26:55
Speaker 2: eighty something percent. Is Jess Pfizer all by itself, by
2:26:59
Speaker 2: the way, optimistic. So we moved my company to San Antonio.
2:27:02
Speaker 2: I'm so happy about it. My employees are so much
2:27:05
Speaker 2: happier about it. We operate all over the country, but
2:27:07
Speaker 2: our training now.
2:27:08
Speaker 1: Is here, and.
2:27:11
Speaker 2: We're always hiring, and it is we're now hiring in
2:27:15
Speaker 2: a state. We're hiring from anywhere in the country, but
2:27:17
Speaker 2: we're hiring in a state where people like something in common. Freedom. Yeah, right,
2:27:23
Speaker 2: And in California. God bless California. I lived there for
2:27:26
Speaker 2: you know, I was born there in most of my life.
2:27:27
Speaker 2: But holy shit, you've been to San Francisco. Holy shit.
2:27:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even go anymore. It's too fucked up.
2:27:34
Speaker 1: I have friends that just went they did shows there.
2:27:36
Speaker 1: They said, it's hard to get people to go out
2:27:37
Speaker 1: because if you park your car anywhere, it's going to
2:27:39
Speaker 1: get broken into. And he was talking to the people
2:27:41
Speaker 1: are there and it's like it's just a ghost town.
2:27:43
Speaker 1: Restaurants are closing, everything's fucked up. Just people just refuse
2:27:49
Speaker 1: everywhere you look in this in the street, just human
2:27:52
Speaker 1: waste and shit and piss.
2:27:54
Speaker 2: And you're making it sound bad.
2:27:56
Speaker 1: It's just crazy how bad it got in such a
2:27:58
Speaker 1: short amount of time.
2:27:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, San Francis, let's go to you know, stores boarded
2:28:01
Speaker 2: up and we're in it. We're definitely in the time
2:28:04
Speaker 2: of social decay, and that is a reality that we
2:28:09
Speaker 2: all have to accept. And that is, by the way,
2:28:11
Speaker 2: also part of human nature. That's what empires do empires decay.
2:28:17
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't seem necessary if it's not everywhere.
2:28:20
Speaker 2: I think it's necessary. Oh you mean necessary to have
2:28:23
Speaker 2: la be that bad or something just be Oh no,
2:28:25
Speaker 2: of course not.
2:28:26
Speaker 1: It can be corrected. It's just like, how are you
2:28:27
Speaker 1: not correcting? And everybody keeps voting the same way, and
2:28:31
Speaker 1: it's just like, do you not see where this trend is?
2:28:34
Speaker 1: Headed like you've got to do something radical to clean
2:28:37
Speaker 1: this up.
2:28:37
Speaker 2: Well, maybe Vic Caruso, I mean Rick Caruso will run
2:28:41
Speaker 2: for mayor. He ran the last time.
2:28:43
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll run for governor.
2:28:44
Speaker 2: Yes, that's possible too. And he's an interesting I know him,
2:28:47
Speaker 2: and a very interesting guy, and I would I would
2:28:49
Speaker 2: vote for him and support him in every way I can.
2:28:51
Speaker 2: But it's possible because when these fires happened, probably the
2:28:55
Speaker 2: most common thing you heard in LA was, oh shit,
2:28:58
Speaker 2: I wish I'd voted for Rick caruz And they voted
2:29:01
Speaker 2: for somebody that didn't have much history and just didn't
2:29:03
Speaker 2: do a great job around the fires. And you know, uh,
2:29:08
Speaker 2: it's it's sad to see that decay the way that
2:29:11
Speaker 2: it is. But I want to work on the optimistic
2:29:13
Speaker 2: part that that I'm not there anymore. I stay in
2:29:15
Speaker 2: a hotel. When I go there. It's so much fun
2:29:18
Speaker 2: because you, because it reminds me every every time I
2:29:21
Speaker 2: pushed the elevator button, I don't live here anymore.
2:29:25
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Kevin, thank you very much. Hold up
2:29:27
Speaker 1: your book one more time. Some people can go buy
2:29:29
Speaker 1: it please Forbidden Facts. Appreciate you very much, sir, Thank
2:29:33
Speaker 2: You, thank you, you too, Joe