Latest / Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast / PODCAST: Episode 922 - Joey Diabolic Talks HV Scene Magazine, Moving Back to NY & New Music
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- 0:00The, the process was really, really enjoyable.
- 0:02Actually, when I had done work with other magazines, it was, it
- 0:05was always a headache at some point.
- 0:07But everybody that I interviewed and worked with on the magazine,
- 0:11this first issue was incredibly easy to work with and super
- 0:14thankful that they were down, you know, to help me do the the
- 0:17kickoff. What's up everybody, it's Kefi
- 0:26at Ghost Coat Mag Comm. I am super stoked to be joined
- 0:29once again by our friend Joey Diabolic.
- 0:31How are you doing, Joey? I'm doing great.
- 0:33Yeah, double horns. I like it.
- 0:35So good to see you. You know, you're one of the
- 0:37people I keep in touch with on a semi regular basis.
- 0:40I'm really thankful for you. You've been very supportive of
- 0:43us. We've supported you back.
- 0:45It's a very good, I feel like a mutual good thing when you meet
- 0:49people in the business that have the same sort of like minded
- 0:53individual as yourself, you want to, you know, you hang on to
- 0:56those folks. So thanks, good to see you
- 0:57again. He was well man, It's always a
- 0:59pleasure. So you have this new magazine,
- 1:01uh, Hudson Valley scene or HV scene and you know, you've done
- 1:06that since you've, you know, was kind of feels like you've been
- 1:08putting the work in since you moved back east again.
- 1:11And it's super cool. I was so excited to get that
- 1:14package in the mailman. It really, you know, it was a
- 1:17thrill, to be honest, to open this thing up.
- 1:19And we've sent a couple of other prizes and things out to people
- 1:23that I included a couple in. So hopefully you make some new
- 1:25fans and it's really cool. It's hard to do a physical
- 1:29product these days. And I know packaging and
- 1:32magazine layout and the graphic arts are another one of your
- 1:36skill sets beside music, but it's so cool.
- 1:39What made you want to kind of dip back in and do this?
- 1:42Yeah, I was looking to do something music related, but not
- 1:46just composing music as I have been doing.
- 1:48And I had done work with magazines in the past and
- 1:53newspapers actually, you know, for two years, like in my 20s, I
- 1:56worked at a newspaper. And then from 2013 to 2019, I
- 2:02was working with Outsider Magazine and did a ton of work
- 2:04with that and establishing and designing and marketing and
- 2:08yadda, yadda. Just certain things came to
- 2:11fruition and I decide I'm like, you know what?
- 2:14I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do my own.
- 2:15And it's been a really positive experience.
- 2:17A lot of people that picked up the magazine, a lot of exuberant
- 2:21energy, positive energy. And that's all I can really hope
- 2:25for. Right.
- 2:26And it's it's HV scene and beyond.
- 2:28By the way, I know there's. That's correct.
- 2:30There's. A tag line because it is the
- 2:31world. And beyond.
- 2:32And beyond which could be anything.
- 2:34And I love that, you know, again, I say this all the time
- 2:37about ghost cult because we don't have rock or metal in our
- 2:40name. It can be whatever we want it to
- 2:42be. So if I want to come, if I want
- 2:43to cover Nick Cave and Amigo the Devil, I can cover Nick Cave and
- 2:46Amigo the Devil. And it's like, Oh my God, it's
- 2:48not rock or metal. Well, we don't have that in our
- 2:50name. What is ghost cult?
- 2:51It's this ephemeral thing. I didn't name it.
- 2:53I took it over as, you know, the history.
- 2:56So, you know, this is very cool. This is beautiful looking.
- 2:59It's printed beautifully. I've done some work in
- 3:02publishing and layout and things like that.
- 3:05I used to do Q&A for a marketing company and I helped sort of
- 3:10manage their printed materials. This is going back quite a while
- 3:13for, you know, for a printing and all the things.
- 3:15This is gorgeous. Like I wish that some of the
- 3:17more, you know, no shade to any of the current crop of rock or
- 3:21metal magazines, but they should all look at this and be like, we
- 3:23should be doing this or hire this guy because this is
- 3:26incredible looking. It's beautiful.
- 3:29Yeah, it's beautiful to have. It's put together.
- 3:31It's kind of flawless. I'm such a nitpicker.
- 3:33When we had the magazine for a long time, you know, for five or
- 3:36six years of ghost Colts 13 years, we had a magazine, a
- 3:39digital mag and you know, I was it's I'm such a painstaking
- 3:44nitpicker as an editor, which is good cuz my own shit is not as
- 3:48good as that. Luckily I've added other
- 3:49people's things. Well, but you know, this is just
- 3:52top to bottom fantastic. You know, what is the process
- 3:55like for you to put this to put the first one together?
- 3:58Like what did you already have a vision for what it was going to
- 4:01entail? Did it come to you piece meal
- 4:04and how you have a format? How did you sort of embark on
- 4:07this journey not just as a designer but as an editor?
- 4:10Well. I knew I kind of wanted to do
- 4:12something where, let me let me rephrase that, I've been part of
- 4:16other scenes and not really feeling like I was fully
- 4:21accepted. In a way, I was kind of felt
- 4:23like outside, like I was too metal or too industrial or
- 4:27whatever The thing is. And I just kind of wanted to do
- 4:30something where I kind of felt accepted, which is funny because
- 4:33it's my own magazine. But to include people that I
- 4:36felt like we're in the same sort of like in between, if that
- 4:41makes sense. Like artistically, you know, we
- 4:43might not make sense in certain genres, but and other realms
- 4:47were like totally accepted. And as far as designing and
- 4:51laying out and everything like that, I knew where I wanted to
- 4:54end up with, you know, I wanted to feel like a high end
- 4:58magazine, like, visually, like striking and kind of, you know,
- 5:02to play to the mystery of the cover.
- 5:04Like, what is it? Is it a crowd of zombies or is
- 5:07it cake, you know? And then I kind of wanted to
- 5:11play on the duality, you know, elements of horror, but then you
- 5:14got music and then you got art throughout.
- 5:17And yeah, you know, I also wanted to get more of my
- 5:20creative energies out too. And yeah, but the process was
- 5:24really, really enjoyable. Actually, when I had done work
- 5:27with other magazines, it was it was always a headache at some
- 5:30point. But everybody that I interviewed
- 5:33and worked with on the magazine, this first issue was incredibly
- 5:36easy to work with and super thankful that they were down,
- 5:40you know, to help me do the the kickoff.
- 5:42Right on. That's so cool.
- 5:44You know, again, I think it's, it is kind of like a little
- 5:47microcosm of everything you're all about, which I also love.
- 5:50Like, of course, it has like all your little brand, personal
- 5:54brand elements and your music elements and everything and a
- 5:57little facets of your personality in it that I really
- 6:01dig. And you did interviews yourself,
- 6:03which I didn't even know you did, was really cool.
- 6:05They're very well done. It's not like you took it very
- 6:08seriously. I would have asked similar
- 6:10questions. I love some of the stuff in
- 6:12here. You you definitely landed.
- 6:15So you swung big and landed punches.
- 6:17Well, as we say in the for a sports analogy and only One Cup
- 6:23of coffee today. So I don't know, I don't know
- 6:24where this is all going. The the ADHD intake doctor was
- 6:29like drink less coffee. I was like, OK, sure, that's
- 6:32what it is. I'm on my 4th for the day man. 2
- 6:36is a good spot for me and but yeah, she was like trying to do
- 6:40less. I was like, OK, but yeah.
- 6:42And then you had a couple of contributors also come in.
- 6:45It's just folks, you know, from your own network.
- 6:47Did people find you? Did you put AI?
- 6:50Don't remember seeing if you put a casting call.
- 6:52It's always one of my fears is to put out like a wide net and
- 6:55and get too many crazies. No, actually, you know Kai, I I
- 7:00mean I've known him since my days and White Plague.
- 7:03And this is like Socrates 19961997.
- 7:07We had done music together. He was key artist and martyr art
- 7:11for a while. He does his own music, Visions
- 7:14of Empyrion. And he's done some incredible
- 7:17work which I would love to eventually see be released.
- 7:20But he's working on a huge catalog of music.
- 7:22And he actually got me into a lot of the deeper industrial
- 7:27stuff. Then I had, you know, any sort
- 7:30of knowledge of especially like ascetic perfection.
- 7:34I ended up doing a remix for him back in 2009 just because I was
- 7:38like, yo, man, he's taking remixes.
- 7:41It's, you know, great exposure and whatnot.
- 7:43And I didn't even really know too much about the remixing
- 7:47concept. So he's a, you know, he's been a
- 7:49bro for a long time. So when I was like, hey, man,
- 7:52there's an opportunity. Would you do you want to do an
- 7:54interview? He's like, absolutely.
- 7:56Like he had all these questions and it was really great.
- 7:58And I know her from Mama Doom and she's fantastic, incredible
- 8:04drummer, really heavy sound. And she actually does a lot of
- 8:08the music videos for them, like actually the last three or four
- 8:11music videos. And she's really into horror.
- 8:14She's a bigger horror buff than I am, which is great.
- 8:17And her and I get to, you know, talk shop about, you know,
- 8:21cameras and filming and you know, 6K4K, all the, you know,
- 8:26all the details sort of stuff. Right on.
- 8:28And then there's a lot of cool photography.
- 8:31Concert photography is a big thing for me.
- 8:33We do a lot of it with Ghost Cult.
- 8:35I used to do it personally, I stopped around the pandemic.
- 8:38I was like and I'm done. But there's some great stuff in
- 8:41here and some shots you also took that I thought were
- 8:43beautiful and really beautifully placed and and it's just laid
- 8:47out excellently. You know, like, again, as a nerd
- 8:50for the physical media and such a physical art nerd myself, I
- 8:55love how this thing is put together a lot of cool visual
- 8:57things. Thank you.
- 8:58Yeah. I mean, a lot of those concert
- 9:00photos, Ignacio or Lana from Army of One TV, he's been doing
- 9:05incredible work for well over a decade, even dating back to,
- 9:09like, Poughkeepsie metal and stuff like that.
- 9:12And you know, I was like, we'd actually collaborated on live
- 9:16shots, which was actually something I had done for
- 9:19Outsider magazine when I was kind of like was Co creator for
- 9:23that period of time. So that's something I brought
- 9:26over from Outsider magazine and put it into this because that
- 9:29was kind of my thing. And as far as those photos I
- 9:32took, I was like, you know, there's some cool experiences I
- 9:35had in LA and even even though they might be like a year or two
- 9:38old or whatever, it's like there's some cool memories, cool
- 9:41locations, you know, legendary locations.
- 9:44Why not put them in the magazine, You know, just to kind
- 9:46of encapsulate a little bit of everything, you know?
- 9:49Right on Ignacio's incredible good dude friend to both me and
- 9:54Omar, the co-owner ghost call. We've we've shouldered up next
- 9:57to each other in many shows, both in the photo pit and
- 10:00elsewhere. Just just just an exceptional
- 10:03person. And I'm glad you're working with
- 10:05exceptional people because you are too.
- 10:07And yeah, man, Would you say are there other goals you have kind
- 10:12of in mind? Oh, you also interviewed before
- 10:14I get a get ahead of myself. You interviewed Dean Carr, which
- 10:17I thought was amazing, you know, like a bucket list type of
- 10:21person to get. So it seems like you're not
- 10:23afraid to, like, again, reach out to big, big people, in my
- 10:25opinion, who would be, you know, super interesting to talk to.
- 10:28That's a big one, too. Yeah, I mean, I've been a fan of
- 10:32his, you know, graphic design work for like these things like
- 10:36high school and stuff like that. Junior high, you know, growing
- 10:38up with these bands and, you know, like when the Bernard Red
- 10:41came out, I'm like just looking at this artwork.
- 10:44And of course, before that with the superstar and the Sweet
- 10:47Dreams music video, which was like, that was just huge.
- 10:50I mean, that totally blew up Marilyn Manson and just all the
- 10:53other work he's done over the years.
- 10:54It's just highly impactful on to actually my design aesthetic.
- 10:59So, you know, it's like him. Hugh Sign And like a few other
- 11:03people, you know, Anton Corbin, you know, those are the kind of
- 11:06the few that have pretty big visual influences on me and
- 11:09creative and graphic design. Right on.
- 11:12There's actually like a tremendous be like a very good
- 11:15feature or, you know, something to pursue for a video series.
- 11:18There's a tremendous crossover of people who started in the
- 11:22either the graphic design world or photography world still like
- 11:25portrait photography, portraiture who then crossed
- 11:28over to music videos. Dean Carr, Anton Corbin, you
- 11:32mentioned Frank Kozik, rest in power, Rich Pettibone.
- 11:36Of course, like you know, there's so many Rocky Shenk also
- 11:41and and Wayne Isham and people like that who did some of the
- 11:44biggest videos ever started as designers, graphic designers,
- 11:48set designers and portrait photographers.
- 11:50Super interesting. I think Jim Lavoe now out in
- 11:54Arizona. He was like for the longest
- 11:55time, like the Dean of the concert photographers of
- 11:58Arizona, Nevada and and Southern California.
- 12:01Now he's doing music videos and stuff.
- 12:03So super cool. Now I was gonna ask, did you,
- 12:06you know, sort of setting out to do this magazine, did you have
- 12:10certain goals? Did you meet them all?
- 12:11Are there certain things you want to do better next time?
- 12:13Anything in particular you want to elevate your game up to do in
- 12:16the future? Because believe me, this is a
- 12:18banger for the for the first of anything.
- 12:21I remember our first thing, all the other scenes and things I've
- 12:23ever done self-publishing super hard to do.
- 12:27So this right out of the bat, you know, right, right off the
- 12:30bat, you hit it out of the park. But again, like with the things
- 12:33like when you look at it and oh, I could have did that better.
- 12:35Next time I'll do this things like that.
- 12:37No, surprisingly, because I usually nitpick the shit out of
- 12:41everything I do. This is like, I think it's as
- 12:44perfect as it can be. And, you know, for future
- 12:47issues, I just want to, you know, I want to connect with
- 12:51creative people that I feel that are interesting and have an
- 12:54interesting story to tell or, you know, people that I've
- 12:57looked up to that have influenced me in a way.
- 13:01And I just want to connect with them, you know, through an
- 13:05interview, that sort of thing. So it's.
- 13:07Yeah, just I want to keep the caliber at least the same as the
- 13:11first issue. I don't know how much higher I
- 13:13can go because I think I kind of like, you know, went pretty
- 13:16intense on the detail and making sure everything was like
- 13:19perfectly located and, you know, to the to the point, you know,
- 13:24like to the smallest detail. I think I kind of nailed
- 13:27everything that I wanted to accomplish.
- 13:29Right on. Well, I'm, I'm just an over
- 13:31critical jerk then. Omar will probably love that
- 13:35comment. I'm just an over critical
- 13:37nitpicking jerk, but that's OK. I'm a perfectionist.
- 13:40Talk about music for a second. You know you came back east.
- 13:44I know we got that Friday the 13th music theme that came out.
- 13:48What else do you have going on? I know you're kind of always
- 13:50making and creating stuff. Yeah.
- 13:52I've kind of been balancing back and forth between how many
- 13:55releases, what sort of releases I'd be doing.
- 13:57We're started recording and writing an album back in 2019
- 14:01before all the through sound Waves stuff and kind of put that
- 14:04on pause still, you know, I kind of have to come to a conclusion
- 14:07with that whole segment of songs.
- 14:10Which I have right here arc. Yep, exactly right box.
- 14:13Set right here. One of my favorite things ever.
- 14:16And but for now, it's connecting what I did with just drive and
- 14:21pretty much kind of going back to what I was doing with through
- 14:25sound waves and stuff like that. So going back to the heavier
- 14:28stuff, there's probably like one or two heavy songs, but it's
- 14:31like it's 35 songs, but it's there's a lot more darker stuff,
- 14:35you know, definitely in that sort of Nine Inch Nails sort of
- 14:37lane quite expansive right now. It's it looks like it's going to
- 14:41be instead of breaking it up into one full length album and
- 14:44three E PS I think I'm just going to consolidate it all
- 14:46together and just find the like a good narration lyrically to
- 14:51connect everything. So it all kind of like makes
- 14:53sense, at least to me, you know? Do you have a time frame?
- 14:56Do you think we'll get a 26 release or just whenever it's
- 14:59ready? Yeah, I want to knock it out and
- 15:01have it out by, you know, the middle of 2026, maybe a little
- 15:05later. And then to get back to the
- 15:07first thing I was reporting, which actually would kind of
- 15:10close out. And then I'm not sure what's
- 15:12happening after that. I don't know if I'm still going
- 15:14to do music as Joy Diabolic. I don't know.
- 15:17You know, it's all kind of like up in the air.
- 15:19After that, I hear you keep it open-ended, but also like, you
- 15:22know, if it's, you know, feels kind of like resolved, then you
- 15:26can go do enough and do a new band or join someone else's
- 15:29band. If.
- 15:30You felt like you found the right, you know, situation.
- 15:33I'd love to see that, Love to see you get out there on the
- 15:36stage again. I know you mentioned upstate New
- 15:39York and Saugerties. You know, memories of Woodstock
- 15:43come back to me and a bunch of time that I spend in the Hudson
- 15:46Valley actually off and on in my young my 20s and and early 30s.
- 15:52A lot of time I spent up there. So such a cool place still still
- 15:56a good scene. I'm sad the chances gone.
- 15:57My chance shirt is here somewhere hanging up and.
- 16:01Yeah, I got my hate, you know, survived the the mosh pit for
- 16:05Hate Breach shirt I got. That's at the chance.
- 16:07Yeah, look at that. Those mosh pits were insane.
- 16:10The New York hardcore upstate hardcore kids were so brutal.
- 16:14Yeah, some of the worst punishing fights and beat downs
- 16:18I've ever seen in my life were there and they had the the huge
- 16:22iron barricade. You got smashed up into that
- 16:26man. You were black and blue for days
- 16:29and days. And then there were other
- 16:30places, you know, all through, all through Westchester and and
- 16:35upstate New York. There's a tons of places I've
- 16:38probably forgotten them all. Places we both probably went to
- 16:41as fans played at gigs. All those.
- 16:43Northern Lights. Valentine's.
- 16:45I love Northern Lights. What was the bar in Albany?
- 16:50I saw shadows fall there. It was insane.
- 16:53Shadows fall and a Caro at, I can't remember.
- 16:57Shakers was Pelham. I think Yonkers had a few
- 17:02places. It was nuts.
- 17:04It was a very crazy scene, actually.
- 17:05And so people would come from all over to go to those places
- 17:08and then everywhere else. What's like the best show you
- 17:11ever saw that was like a local show when you were coming up?
- 17:14Oh, slip fist at the chance. Pretty much, you know, slipped
- 17:20this at that point. Like my drummer and I at the
- 17:23time when I was in dislocate, we would go and hang out their
- 17:26shows and, you know, sometimes drive to a gig or two with them.
- 17:29And I remember we're just hanging out in the audience.
- 17:33They're just killing, you know, their size is blown up.
- 17:35And then but they had all these two TV's on the stage and then
- 17:40all of a sudden he grabs a bat and he just starts smashing all
- 17:43the the two TV's and they're all on and everything that they just
- 17:46was such a cool theatrical experience that just kind of
- 17:49came out of nowhere and just, I felt like just set the bar so
- 17:51high for like, for that. Like, you know, like, I guess
- 17:55like a local show per SE. Nice.
- 17:57Yeah. You know, it's always cool when
- 17:59the local bands would try to raise up their game.
- 18:01We, I, my bands tried to do that too.
- 18:03Let's be bigger than just a bar band, you know, let's do
- 18:06something more. That was always a fun thing for
- 18:08us. I, you know, we've been eating
- 18:11real good this year musically. We're getting to the end of the
- 18:14year and this is probably going to run at the start of the new
- 18:16year. But what music have you been
- 18:18digging this year? That's new.
- 18:19Whether it's new artist, 3 year old standbys, we've been very
- 18:22fortunate this year. Let's see, recently actually, I
- 18:27think within the past week, Sir Echo released a new single,
- 18:31Bubble Gum, and Moon Tooth just dropped a new single, which I've
- 18:35already listened to it like 10 times.
- 18:37Like the first time I listened to, I listened to five times in
- 18:40a row. It was just like blowing my
- 18:42mind, you know? A lot of quits and turns in the
- 18:45song that are really unexpected and when it ends you're just
- 18:48like what the fuck just happened and I need to hear it again.
- 18:51Nice big moon Tooth fan. We've interviewed the band
- 18:54before. Great to see Nick on his way
- 18:56back, you know, recovered and everything.
- 18:59And hopefully that means they have more things coming soon.
- 19:03I've been, you know, obsessing over the new vows record.
- 19:07Probably going to be one of my top records of the year.
- 19:09Super dark and and Moody and and great and and, you know, kind of
- 19:14great energy. And of course, can't go wrong
- 19:16with the Tron soundtrack by 9 Inch Nails, right the first.
- 19:19Actual actual. So good it made the movie
- 19:22better. I just want 9 inch nails to do
- 19:26all my Movies Now. I know, right?
- 19:28And that's the thing too, like, well, I, I still haven't seen
- 19:31the the film, which I wanted to do, but I think it's out of the
- 19:343D now. I think it's just.
- 19:36Standing. Probably.
- 19:37I don't. Love it.
- 19:37But that soundtrack, you know, I mean, of course them being 9
- 19:41Inch Nails, I mean, they're already at in a sense they're
- 19:45gods that in of what they do. But the fact that they had to
- 19:48match, in a sense, the Daft Punk soundtrack, which is legendary
- 19:52and it's so perfect on its own. I think Trenton Atticus did an
- 19:56incredible job of like, matching the same energy and the same
- 20:00level, but obviously in there in a different way.
- 20:03And you could hear connections between, you know, them
- 20:07consciously connecting the, you know, Tron legacy into their
- 20:10music, but then obviously going, you know, exploring the deep
- 20:15universe of Nine Inch Nails. Right on.
- 20:17And let's I know I was just a kid when the original Tron came
- 20:20out, but I was such a big fan of the Wendy Carlos Tron soundtrack
- 20:24from the Tron 1. So there.
- 20:26I totally agree with all that. And actually though, I just saw
- 20:29Creditor Badlands last night and that soundtrack is also quite
- 20:32good and very surprising. Like 1 foot in a futuristic
- 20:36unknown space thing and then an actual traditional score, which
- 20:40I thought was wonderful. Yeah, really great.
- 20:42And that was the best film overall.
- 20:44Awesome. I'm not.
- 20:45I'm not fully caught up on the last few Predator things, but I
- 20:50would say you could go in cold. There's a lot of cool lore that
- 20:54you know, it seemed like the audience it was still actually
- 20:57like for a smaller theater showing.
- 20:59And I don't love the 3D anything.
- 21:01I think you can still find Tron playing.
- 21:03It may not be an IMAX anywhere, but it's definitely still worth
- 21:07seeing in the movies visually. And the same thing with
- 21:09Badlands. I'm glad I saw it in the movies.
- 21:11And there's definitely some things if you're a longtime fan
- 21:14of Predator and Alien, there's a lot of like cool Easter eggs and
- 21:18like blatant things that are like, oh, this sets up something
- 21:21else. And then there's, if you didn't
- 21:23know and you just went into exactly what Omar was like, you
- 21:25could just go see it and it's not going to ruin it for you.
- 21:27And he was right. Rarely is that true, but my dude
- 21:31had it locked in cold. He was right.
- 21:33Just as we wind this up because I want to give you back your
- 21:36time and I really appreciate connecting with you again.
- 21:38And I always try to end these with a wild card question.
- 21:42And since this is like our third interview and we've talked
- 21:44multiple times that after this. So I want to make sure that I'm
- 21:46always, you know, coming at you with something new.
- 21:50I know what a big horror fan you are.
- 21:52And we just passed Halloween, and it's always Halloween for
- 21:55guys like us. But if you could rescore a
- 21:59classic horror film yourself from scratch, which one would
- 22:03you do? Oh man, probably.
- 22:08I mean, in one sense I kind of already did.
- 22:11It just did not get not connected, but A Nightmare on
- 22:14Elm Street or Dreammaster. That's my favorite of the horror
- 22:19of the Freddy franchise and already did this, the opening
- 22:24song, which is actually Tuesday night's song.
- 22:27So that was already done with the Di Lolly of Mama Doom and
- 22:31then did the actual main theme. And then Son of 100 Maniacs,
- 22:35which is actually from, you know, kind of inspired from Part
- 22:385. But if they ever get the rights
- 22:40taken care of Warner Brothers and they want to find a guy that
- 22:43wants to do the music, I'm available.
- 22:45There's a guy I know a guy we all know.
- 22:48We all know a guy we know the guy.
- 22:51You know, congratulations on everything, man.
- 22:53I'm just really, you know, really proud of you and and
- 22:56pleased to have this thing in my hands and and I'll be looking
- 22:58forward to the next one. And of course, you know, keep us
- 23:01posted on all your activities and we'll keep, you know,
- 23:04bragging about you, everyone we know.
- 23:07It's always a pleasure. Joey Diabolic, thanks for being
- 23:09so cool and down with us. And again, Congrats on HB scene
- 23:13and beyond. And we'll link everything in the
- 23:15description where people can find it and buy it and follow
- 23:18you and all that jazz. Cool.
- 23:19Thank you. And just a quick shout out to
- 23:22PMP quick copy for helping me this.
- 23:28Nice. Yeah, looking forward to more
- 23:33issues and doing some more music.
- 23:35And thank you for the interview. I I always enjoy it.
- 23:38Yeah, man, always a pleasure. We'll have you back sometime
- 23:40soon for some fun stuff too. Thanks so much.
- 23:42See you. Take care.