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#2186 Impulse Control - David Gillespie · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's bloody, Gillespo and Tiff. It's
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  Speaker 1: a Wednesday night. We've just discovered after doing these at
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  Speaker 1: five o'clock in the PM for the last two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and nineteen years, that were all available of around lunchtime
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  Speaker 1: on a Wednesday. So ah, we could be amazing next week.
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  Speaker 1: Tune in next week. It could be fucking breathtaking. How
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  Speaker 1: clever we all are. Our creativity will be through the roof.
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  Speaker 1: Tiff won't be angry, which is always a blessing, Thank
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  Speaker 1: you Jesus. It could be phenomenal next week. This week
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  Speaker 1: probably shit, but it's already eight minutes past five and
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  Speaker 1: David's given me three bloody reprimands and Tiff is looking
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  Speaker 1: for praise because she ate a protein bar so she
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be angry on the podcast, Well don't cook, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always thinking of others. Yeah, oh, aren't you though,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, ah. You actually brought some food to
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  Speaker 1: the gym for me, made by your boyfriend, who, among
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  Speaker 1: other things, as a cook, can catch a tory. I'm
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  Speaker 1: quite excited about that tonight. Do I eat that on
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  Speaker 1: its own or do I put it with some BASMARTI
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  Speaker 1: Rice and smush it around.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon, you'll probably throw that with some bas Marti Rice.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'm very excited now. I could be angry
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  Speaker 1: in the next fifteen minutes if Gillespo's not living up
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  Speaker 1: to his huge brand and just delivering like the fucking postman.
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  Speaker 1: Hi buddy, how are you good?
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. This is We'll get onto
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  Speaker 1: our topic straight away, as I always do. How's that.
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  Speaker 1: How's the Australian handball team going?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I mean I'm the manager of the women's
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  Speaker 4: team and so they're not not doing anything. They don't
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  Speaker 4: have a comp until September, so starting to get ready
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  Speaker 4: for that, so that should be good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are they in the season at the moment
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  Speaker 1: or when is the actual club season.
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  Speaker 4: They don't really have a club season in Australia because
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  Speaker 4: there's just not enough people to play. So if you
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  Speaker 4: really want to get good handball experience in Australia pretty
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  Speaker 4: much have to go to Europe. So and that's what
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  Speaker 4: my twins are doing. In a couple of weeks, they're
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  Speaker 4: both hopping on a plane. They've been offered contracts with
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  Speaker 4: the Swedish club. They're going to play there for the
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  Speaker 4: next year. So that's that's what HANDBA does.
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  Speaker 3: You play handball see the world?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that could be a poster, a terrible one,
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  Speaker 1: but a poster. Nonetheless, How old are you girls?
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  Speaker 3: Twenty two?
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, you didn't tell me you had twins, did you? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're the last ones. Yeah, so six kids. Last two
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  Speaker 1: are twins. Like I said always, you know, a great
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  Speaker 1: experimental pair because they're identical, but one's left handed, one's
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  Speaker 1: right handed. So their mirror twins, which is a phenomenon
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  Speaker 1: about a quarter of all identical twins are mirror twins.
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  Speaker 4: Where they're half a half of in each. Really, I
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  Speaker 4: guess in the sense that one's left handed, ones right handed.
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  Speaker 4: They had left brained, right brain, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: So is one more cerebral and intellectual I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: smarter and the other one more creative?
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, definitely really scared. Yeah wow, one's a lawyer
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  Speaker 4: just graduated and the other ce civic engineer had just
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  Speaker 4: graduated and they've decided to take a gap year and
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  Speaker 4: play handball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah amazing. How do you get a contract in Europe
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  Speaker 1: when you live in a country where it's not even
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  Speaker 1: there are not even teams or club sports the competition.
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  Speaker 4: They were scouted by a coach because we sent a
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  Speaker 4: younger team over there last year, and yeah, so a
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  Speaker 4: relationship developed between the two clubs and he happened to
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  Speaker 4: be out here a few months ago and saw them
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  Speaker 4: playing and said, yeah, we're interested.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's good. Now we'll leave it in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: But I just feel like half our audience has gone,
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  Speaker 1: I do not know what the fuck handball it is.
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  Speaker 3: Well no they are.
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  Speaker 4: No, they're saying I know exactly what it is, and
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why anyone will be playing it in
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  Speaker 4: Europe because they think it's the four square you're playing
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  Speaker 4: the school yard. Yeah, yeah, So what it is handball,
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  Speaker 4: for the uninitiated, is like water pollo but without the water,
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  Speaker 4: or like footsal played with your hands instead.
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  Speaker 3: Of your feet.
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  Speaker 4: So it's an indoor sport played on a footsalal court
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  Speaker 4: with a futsal goal and a goalkeeper, six field players
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  Speaker 4: on each side. It is full contact, so you tackle
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  Speaker 4: people to stop them throwing balls into goals. Very high scoring,
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  Speaker 4: very fast, very very fast, so typical game you'll have
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  Speaker 4: eighty goals scored.
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  Speaker 3: In a game.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, how Long's how long's a game?
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  Speaker 3: An hour? It's an hour.
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  Speaker 4: You get two thirty minute halves and a ten minute
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  Speaker 4: half time, which you need.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like you'd be good with the tackling and bumping,
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  Speaker 1: but a little bit handicapped with all the skills.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean all the skills.
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  Speaker 3: Trying the other skill? I can't kill.
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  Speaker 2: I had to hone as a boxer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool, but this is not boxing.
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  Speaker 3: But reaction time is really important.
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  Speaker 4: So one of our best male players is has just
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  Speaker 4: come eighth in Asian Championships in fencing. Fencing is a
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  Speaker 4: high reaction time thing. You have to have really really
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  Speaker 4: fast reactions in fencing and that does him a lot
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  Speaker 4: of good in handball, and you've got to remember this
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  Speaker 4: is an Olympic sport and as host nation, we are
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  Speaker 4: going to be automatic qualifiers in twenty thirty two for
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  Speaker 4: this sport.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, put an ad out there.
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  Speaker 4: If you've got kids, you know, twelve thirteen years old,
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  Speaker 4: this is when they should be starting because the prime
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  Speaker 4: age for handballers is early to mid twenty and it
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  Speaker 4: is very very high speed, high fitness sport. Similar skill
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  Speaker 4: sets to AFL less likely to do as an acl though.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is if we were going to build the
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  Speaker 1: ideal let's say male. I think it's a bit less creepy,
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  Speaker 1: but we were going to build the ideal male body
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  Speaker 1: for handball, what would it look like, How tall would
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  Speaker 1: it be, how much would it weigh, what physiological attributes
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  Speaker 1: would it have? What would matter the.
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  Speaker 4: Most depends on the position they want to play. There
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  Speaker 4: are two primes, two big scoring positions called the left
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  Speaker 4: and the right backs, and they tend to be very,
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  Speaker 4: very tall, so you'll be wanting people if they're males,
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  Speaker 4: you'll be wanting them over six two six three six
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  Speaker 4: four feet and the taller the better. But also a
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  Speaker 4: lot of muscle on them, so they've got to be
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  Speaker 4: strong because they've got to be able to tackle, hit hard,
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  Speaker 4: and stop someone a similar size to them from getting
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  Speaker 4: to a scoring position. So you want muscular, tall and
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  Speaker 4: very very cardiovascular high levels of cardiovascular fitness, because you're
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  Speaker 4: running from one end of a forty meter court to
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  Speaker 4: the other end of a forty meter court every time
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  Speaker 4: a goal is scored and a lot of times when
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  Speaker 4: it isn't, so you're basically every ten seconds or so
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  Speaker 4: doing a sprint, a forty minute sprint, so you.
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  Speaker 3: Run on average.
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  Speaker 4: They've measured this somewhere between eight and ten kilometers in
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  Speaker 4: a game, but in lots of forty meters.
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  Speaker 1: That would be very hard to train for, like from
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  Speaker 1: a conditioning point of view, because like holding on to
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  Speaker 1: muscle in a sport where you're running all the time
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  Speaker 1: is a real conundrum because the more you run, the
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  Speaker 1: more muscle you lose. Generally speaking, like.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they're they're not doing marathons, they're doing forty meters
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  Speaker 4: at a time, So it's it's impulse running. It's forty
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  Speaker 4: meters flat out tackle someone run forty meters back, so
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  Speaker 4: it's you know, you're using all the muscles, not just
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  Speaker 4: the running and the cardio. You're actually you're also tackling.
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  Speaker 4: And then the shots themselves are jump shots, so you're
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  Speaker 4: jumping as far as you can vertically to try and
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  Speaker 4: shoot over the guy the same size as you who's
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  Speaker 4: standing in.
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  Speaker 3: Front of you.
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  Speaker 4: How big is the goal, so it's two x three
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  Speaker 4: late it's a football goal, so two meters high, three
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  Speaker 4: meters wide right right, and there's a goalkeeper in front
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  Speaker 4: of it. And usually they are pretty big units, right
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  Speaker 4: they are usually one of some of the tallest people
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  Speaker 4: on the team, have a great big arm span.
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  Speaker 1: And how long has it been around?
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  Speaker 4: Ah, in its current form probably first appear in the Olympics,
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  Speaker 4: I think in the nineteen thirties or so. Massive sport
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  Speaker 4: in Europe, so thirty million people play it in Europe.
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  Speaker 4: It is a huge, huge sport there. It's the primary
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  Speaker 4: indoor sport in Europe. So and then almost unknown everywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And who's the best country? Ah?
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  Speaker 4: Well, current world champions of France in both men's and women's.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah's it moves around France, Germany, all the European countries.
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  Speaker 4: The Nordic countries are very strong Denmark, Sweden, Norway, but
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  Speaker 4: also southern European countries are every now and then have
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  Speaker 4: very very strong teams. One of the strongest female teams
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  Speaker 4: at the moments the one of the Hungarian teams.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And the same goes with the girls in terms
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  Speaker 1: of physiques.
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  Speaker 4: Like similar requirements. Obviously you're not going to get too
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  Speaker 4: many six foot five girls. But for those positions, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there are other positions. So the center back is the
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  Speaker 4: is sort of the playmaker on the field. They're generally
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  Speaker 4: not particularly tall. They're sort of normal height and normal physique,
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  Speaker 4: just very very fit. They're often the fastest person on
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  Speaker 4: the court. Then you've got wings, who are specialists who
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  Speaker 4: stand most of the game when an attack is on,
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  Speaker 4: waiting for a pass to come to them. It only
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  Speaker 4: happens every now and then because it only comes to
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  Speaker 4: them if there's a gap open up in front of them,
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  Speaker 4: and then they just have to be the first one
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  Speaker 4: down the other end of the court. So they usually
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  Speaker 4: extremely fit, extremely fast, but quite small often compared to
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  Speaker 4: the backs.
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  Speaker 1: What about a forty year old xboxer with impulse control
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  Speaker 1: issues and issues, but really good lack of skills she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't aware of well at handble at handble, Yeah, have you.
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  Speaker 3: Ever played AFL?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Actually, as I was sitting there getting offended in
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  Speaker 2: my own thoughts about this, I remembered the one training
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  Speaker 2: session I went for an AFL women's session and I
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  Speaker 2: dissip hated two joints on my ring finger. And I've
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  Speaker 2: never been helped restrain and it'll been since, So there
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  Speaker 2: could be some truth in the accusation.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Well, yeah, if you've if you've got a
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  Speaker 4: strong throwing, I've got a strong shot speed like a
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  Speaker 4: professional women's player will be throwing a ball it's about
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  Speaker 4: half the size of a soccer ball, throwing that at
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  Speaker 4: around one hundred kilometers an hour. Professional men's player be
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  Speaker 4: doing it one hundred and forty kilometers an hour.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Well you don't want to dislocate those big
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  Speaker 1: bloody shoulders of yours TIFFs, So maybe maybe put that
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  Speaker 1: on the back burner for now.
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  Speaker 4: I reckon you should have it to go. If you're
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  Speaker 4: ever in Brisbane, tip give me a yell. I'll get
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  Speaker 4: you alonger a session. We'll get video for you.
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  Speaker 1: Craig, could you speaking of angry and impulse control issues
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  Speaker 1: and the like wor segue in the world. But you
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  Speaker 1: did write an article recently about in pulse control? What
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  Speaker 1: did you Why did you write that? Where did that
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  Speaker 1: idea come from? Did something precipitate that it did?
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  Speaker 4: So we see a lot of stories, and particularly lately
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  Speaker 4: about crime spikes, violent crime spikes.
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  Speaker 3: Know we're being.
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  Speaker 4: Overwhelmed by violent crime, and it's not nonsense. We are
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  Speaker 4: the statistics are showing that there are significant increases in
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  Speaker 4: what the data, well the ABS data describes as acts
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  Speaker 4: intended to cause injury. So you know this is the
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  Speaker 4: whole spectrum of assault basically, but you know things where
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  Speaker 4: you're trying to hurt somebody, And if you break it
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  Speaker 4: all down, like the numbers are there, it was up
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  Speaker 4: ten percent in Victoria last year, twenty percent in South
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  Speaker 4: of Australia, and it's about thirty percent of all crime
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  Speaker 4: is under this definition of acts intended to cause injury,
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  Speaker 4: which is about one hundred thousand Australians. So there's one
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  Speaker 4: hundred thousand people out there trying to hurt people, or
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  Speaker 4: at least trying to hurt them to the extent that
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  Speaker 4: it makes it into a crime statistic, which means the
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  Speaker 4: coppers have to be involved.
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  Speaker 3: So this is real.
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  Speaker 4: There is, in fact significant increases in violent crime. People
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  Speaker 4: aren't making that up or beating it up for headlines.
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  Speaker 4: I mean some people like to put a racial overtone
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  Speaker 4: on it and blame this or that group for it,
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  Speaker 4: but the reality is it probably has almost nothing to
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  Speaker 4: do with the race or origin of the person and
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  Speaker 4: a lot to do with what's going on between their ears.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what I want to talk about today, which
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  Speaker 4: is what is the link between that and the other
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  Speaker 4: thing we've talked about recently, which is the massive increase
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  Speaker 4: in meth illegal myth in the community. You know, how
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  Speaker 4: we talked about all drugs are increasing like off the
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  Speaker 4: scale twenty twenty four percent in the last year alone
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  Speaker 4: for illegal drugs, and we talked about how my theory
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  Speaker 4: that that is really just a continuation of the legal
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  Speaker 4: amphetamine pipeline, which is the massive increase in ADHD prescriptions,
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  Speaker 4: which translates into a massive, even more massive increase.
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  Speaker 3: In illegal myth.
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  Speaker 4: Simply because the medical system has to stop at a
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  Speaker 4: certain point and can't keep helping the dose. Why do
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  Speaker 4: we all suddenly need all this myth? And what does
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  Speaker 4: it have to do with crime? Is what this articles about?
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  Speaker 1: So and so is part of that. Sorry, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to get my head around the increase in use
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  Speaker 1: of meth. So some of the people coming into that
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  Speaker 1: kind of pop line of meth us maybe for one
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  Speaker 1: of a better term, kind of regular mister and missus
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  Speaker 1: Suburbia who got diagnosed with ADHD and kind of got
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  Speaker 1: to the end of the you know, the prescription pipeline
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  Speaker 1: in terms of what's accessible or available or prescribable, and
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  Speaker 1: they because they'd built up that threshold, so they kind
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  Speaker 1: of needed more and so that's where they go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're or cocaine, both of which are increasing. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: math is faster a rate of increase than cocaine, but
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  Speaker 4: cocaine's pretty big too. I don't know if you saw
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  Speaker 4: the news this week the huge amount of cocaine that
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  Speaker 4: was taken in that drug bust several tons. I think
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  Speaker 4: it's three tons of cocaine buried under a container on
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  Speaker 4: property and the biggest drug bust ever in Australian history.
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  Speaker 3: And quite by chance.
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  Speaker 4: Larni discovered it because they're investigating a truck fire and noticed,
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  Speaker 4: you know, several kilos of cocaine floating in the water
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  Speaker 4: near where the truck was. So so, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: that goes Australia is now. I think it's the second
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  Speaker 4: largest per capita market for cocaine in the world. So
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  Speaker 4: we are significant users of these drugs. And part of
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  Speaker 4: the reason for that is that Australian cocaine is amongst
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  Speaker 4: the most expensive in the world. I mean, it costs
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  Speaker 4: the same to get it here as it does to
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  Speaker 4: anywhere else, but Australians pay.
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  Speaker 3: More for it.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a it's a very lucrative market. The why
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  Speaker 4: do we even have the market, why are we desiring
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  Speaker 4: these things? I trace it all back to that little
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  Speaker 4: dopamine generator that we've all decided to put in our pockets.
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  Speaker 4: And we've talked about this over and over again. But
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  Speaker 4: it creates a cycle in the brain where you have
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  Speaker 4: a brain that is needing the next dopamine hit. It
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  Speaker 4: hardwires the brain to increase its tolerance for dopamine to
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  Speaker 4: the point where there is not a strong enough hit
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  Speaker 4: available where you have to keep increasing, increasing, increasing increasing
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  Speaker 4: the stimulation.
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  Speaker 3: And that is.
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  Speaker 4: A physical change in the human brain that has significant consequences.
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  Speaker 4: And when we talked about meth before, I highlighted that
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  Speaker 4: the big consequence is the massive increase in psychosis. So
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  Speaker 4: there are people walking around in society today who firmly
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  Speaker 4: believe that you work for the CIA, and you're probably
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  Speaker 4: going to kill them if you're given half a chance.
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  Speaker 4: The psychosis is becoming a significant problem. And that's one outcome.
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  Speaker 4: But another outcome is this one, which is this same
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  Speaker 4: change in the human brain significantly reduces our impulse control.
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  Speaker 4: Now you might regard it as irritability. You know, are
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  Speaker 4: you more irritable today than you were five years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Are you more likely are you listening TIV.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm hungry?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 3: Are you more likely to blow your top? You know?
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  Speaker 4: Is the fraun who's parked the tes or across three
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  Speaker 4: parking spaces at Willies more likely to infuriate you now
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  Speaker 4: than it would have before? Do you have less control
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  Speaker 4: over your anger, your reactions, your emotions.
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  Speaker 3: In general? Yes, as a society we are.
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  Speaker 4: The more of these dopamine stimulating things we put into
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  Speaker 4: our world, the less impulse control we have. The crime
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  Speaker 4: statistics speak for themselves, those one hundred thousand people. Most
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  Speaker 4: of the crimes are not premeditated, you know, elaborate plots
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  Speaker 4: to hurt somebody. There's someone blowing up and taking a hit.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we are in general becoming less tolerant, more irritable,
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  Speaker 4: and more likely to commit a violent act because there's
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  Speaker 4: a fight on in every human brain between what's called
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  Speaker 4: the limbic system and the prefrontal cortex. Now, the limbic
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  Speaker 4: system is our reptilian brain, our raw emotions, our this
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  Speaker 4: thing happens, react instantly, no thought involved. And because we're humans,
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  Speaker 4: we have the prefrontal cortex, which we evolved it's our
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  Speaker 4: most recently evolved part of the brain, the front bit,
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  Speaker 4: and it takes that signal from the limbic system and says, wow,
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  Speaker 4: hang on, hang on, hang on the second hang on,
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  Speaker 4: hang on, do we need to punch this guy? You know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: there are consequences. Let's think this through. Let's see if
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: there's an alternative view. The trouble is that when you
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: amp the human brain up on dopamine, that control mechanism
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: vanishes or significantly decreases. Yes, so the same signal goes,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: but the prefrontal cortex is having a nap. It just
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: never gets involved in the question and you just get
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: raw reaction.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And so also like judgment, ability to judge
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: and be rational, and like a level of awareness, all
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that kind of vanishes a little bit, right because you
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: behavior gets hijacked by reptilian brain or amygdala or whatever.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: It is well that you have less impulse control. You're disinhibited,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: so you're essentially drunk. And you know, alcoholis has at
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: least in the early stages of drinking. Alcohol has the
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: same effect in the latter stages it puts you to sleep,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: but in the in the early stages, it disinhibits you
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: and it uses a similar mechanism. So the result is
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: that you've got a lot of people fall out there
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: who might look normal, but who are just as likely
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: to blow up and punch you if they're irritated.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: So it's not just Utif there's.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: You're not a line tip, there's help. We want you
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to call one eight hundred Impulse control and what of
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: our team will talk to you invalidated. That's good, like
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: a parking ticket.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so, but we've got to boil it all back
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: to why is this happening and what can we do
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: about it? If we're going to make everybody in society
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: use a dopamine generator twenty four hours a day, which
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: is what we're doing and have been doing since the
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: invention of the iPad in twenty ten, we are undertaking
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: a massive experiment that has.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Never ever been done before.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Yes, Australia has had times in its history where we
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: have topped the charts in drug taking. Straight after World
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: War One we were the highest cocaine users in the
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: world as a sort of a self medicated treatment for
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: what they called combat fatigue, but what we'd call today PTSD.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: It's but We've never done this, No one has ever
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: done this where we take every single person in society
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: and pump them their dopamine receptors relentlessly and see what happens.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: And we're starting to see the consequences. We're starting to
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: see the rates of ADHD rise, the rates of psychosis rise,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: the rates of depression and suicide rise, the rates of
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: anxiety rise quite sharply, and also violent crime, which is
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: affected by impulse control.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is or what have I know, you don't
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: love talking about law because you do it all day,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: But what has been like the legal or the court
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: response or you know, in terms of this extra one
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand people and the meteoric rise of you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: people being out of control and incapable of managing their impulses,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Like what's happening practically because the court can't put everyone
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in jail?
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, I think the courts are doing what they've
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: always done. They don't change the law. But politicians have
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: a different reaction. And you see this quite a lot
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: in the current state government in Queensland was elected on
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: adult time for adult crime platform, and you see that happening,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: and that's really a political response to these increased crime rates.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: They say youth crime is out of control because, by
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: the way, lot of this concentrates in young people, because
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: young people have even less impulse control than adults. Because
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: at that particular point of growing a human brain, that
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: is between the startup puberty and ten years later, you
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: lose one of the built in control systems that is
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: already there in the human brain called the gabba gaba,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: which is in itself a breaking system on impulses, but
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: it's dialed down to allow puberty to grow that part
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: of the brain. So almost all the negative effects of
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: addiction focus most severely in that timeframe that is between
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: the startup puberty and early twenties.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting to see even friends of mine
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: who've got kids, I mean anywhere between three and twenty
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: three when I say kids, But the amount of the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that have been diagnosed with ADHD or that have got medicated,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, with multiple medications, the number is not small
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem you know, the impact good or
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: bad varies. But yeah, there are a lot of people
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: who are taking lots of stuff and really in something
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: of our physiological holding pattern with no real kind of
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: well once that happens, then you'll come off, and then
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you'll it's really just managing symptoms as opposed to solving
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: medical problems. Do you know what I mean?
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, exactly. I mean it's a miracle drug in
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: that way. There's very few drugs you can take where
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: you take a drug and then within half an hour
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: all your symptoms have gone.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: There's there's almost.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Nothing in that category except perhaps maybe a headache. But
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: these things, so these amphetamines that they're giving to people
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: who have what is being diagnosed as ADHD, but which
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: I would say is usually an inability to focus caused
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: by dopamine stimulating behavior like addictive gameplaying, social media, or
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: in worse cases, and drugs themselves. But that the that
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: you give someone one of these things, when they aren't
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: able to focus for more than a few seconds and
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: their brains going ping, ping, ping, ping ping all over
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: the place, you give them one of these things, they
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: can focus brilliantly straight away, straight like miraculously straight away.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: And that's because what's going on, and it seems counterintuitive.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Hold on, I've got a kid bouncing off the walls here,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: and the cure is to give him a stimulant. It
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: seems counterintuitive, but it works, and the reason it works
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: is because it gives a massive dopamine hit. And dopamine's
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: other function, besides one of its many other functions, is
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: to get you to focus. Its purpose in real life
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: is to sharpen up your senses so that you can
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: pay attention to rewarding behavior and pay attention to dangerous
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: behavior so that you react more quickly. So dopamine is
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: the focused juice of our brain, and the way to
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: get our brain to get more dopamine is to give
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: it a stimulant drug. And once you do that, it
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: does provide an immediate short term fix for it. The
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: problem is that the brain says, oh, okay, well, this
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: is the new level of dopamine that I need and
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: resets its expectations. You become tolerant of it, and then
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: when the drug wears off about four hours later, you
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: are back to the same place you were, or in fact,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: probably worse because you've moved the ratchet up another notch.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Is it true that some people are born with genetically
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a compared to the normal A dopamine kind of deficit,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: like they sit below the kind of definitely whatever is
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the normal line, and so therefore they're more predisposed to addiction.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it is, as was any condition in humans.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: No two of us are the same. It's a normal
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: distribution for everything. So yes, what I just described is
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: most people. But there will be people who are born
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: that way whose dopamine levels are artificially too high. Well,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: the requirement is artificially too high, and therefore the amount
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: they have is artificially too low, which means they can't
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: focus no matter what. It's got nothing to do with
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: whether they're gaming or on social media or gambling or whatever,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: nothing to do with any of that. It's just the
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: way are wired. And that is what I would say
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: is the classic ADHD that it should be diagnosed as.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: This is nothing to do with what this person has
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: or has not been doing. It is just the way
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: they are. The vast majority of the new diagnoses that
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: we are now facing, the tidal wave of them that
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: we are now facing, are not that those are the
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: same as they've always ever been. The new ones are
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: the ones where it's been induced by significant exposure to
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: dopamine production.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: A addiction.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: We have a guy who comes on here semi regularly,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: probably three or four times a year. His name is Mikol.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: He owns an addiction treatment centered down here in Melbourne.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: And he's spoken about the first time he ever had booze.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: And he talks about being a lonely kid, not a
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: very popular kid, not a very confident kid, scared of everything,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and just you know, socially somewhat functional. And he a guy,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: not even a friend, but a guy he knew at school.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: He and that guy ended up down the back of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the school with a think it was a flag, which
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: sounds disgusting. I think it was sherry or something, but
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it was it was booze, nonetheless, And he said the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: first time that he drank alcohol, he said, firstly it
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: tasted horrible, but he felt amazing. And he said, I
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: felt like i'd come home. And he goes, I knew
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that I would. Well, obviously he's clean and sober. Now,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: well done, Mick. But he's like, I knew this was
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: my thing now, Like that was it was the only
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: time I felt normal, Like I'd never felt normal, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I add this thing into my system. Like when that's
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: your experience, it's pretty bloody hard to not become an addict.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Right exactly, and almost all addicts will say the same thing.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: You know, they'll say, yes, you know, the thinking brain
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: of mind, my pre for in frontal cortex tells me
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: smoking is really really bad for me, you know, really
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: really bad for me, and I shouldn't do it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: It's deadly.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: But when I do it, I feel normal. And what
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: they mean by that is it raises their dopamine level
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: to a level where they feel focused and in control
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: and can deal with problems. But before they do it,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: their attentions all over the place. They can't focus on anything,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: they can't have a constant stream of thought, they feel
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: overwhelmed by everything. And then they have the substance that
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: produces the dopamine, and they say it makes me feel normal,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: and over and over and over again, you will feel
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: you'll hear that story from addicts. And the problem is
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: we're turning everybody into addicts. So the only way anybody
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: can feel normal is if they're doing something addictive.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Hunter S. Thompson? Oh yes, yes, yeah,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Yes, it was an
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: addict to multiple things, as I understand, but yeah, he was.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I think he spoke about numerous times he like he
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: was a creative Well, I guess it's a subjective interpretation,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: but a lot of people think he was a creative genius,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: but he couldn't create anything unless he was high or drunk.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: It's a common theme in a lot of really significantly
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: famous producers of art, in particular Dostoevsky, for example, in
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: The Gambler. You know, he wrote a book about himself
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: as a gambler, one of the most famous pieces of
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: literature ever written. But he was just describing his own experience,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: and he was a chronic gambler, And in fact, the
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: only way was able to read the book was to
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: imprison himself in his room and not let himself out
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: until the book was written, because otherwise he would have
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: been at the casino. Now imagine if he'd had access
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: to a phone, it wouldn't have been written.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Tiff, can you look up. I feel like
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: somebody told me that Stephen King wrote one of his
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: books and consciously it was high all the time, Like
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: maybe it was coke, maybe it was something else. Can
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: you just see if you can find that.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: I've seen that story over, not necessarily Stephen King, but
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: over and over again. A lot of artistic types attribute
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: their creativity to stimulants of some one or or another,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: whether it's alcohol or anything else. And sometimes it's just
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: a result of being rich and famous on the rock
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: and roll lifestyle, but sometimes it's quite genuinely the only
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: way they can produce anything.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Psychedelics are a big thing now. There are. Yeah, even
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: at not far from me, at Monash, a couple of
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: hundred meters away, they're doing psilocybin research and it's yeah,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: it's really And also that time which we've spoken about
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: for ten seconds, eiber gain, which is that drug they're
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: trying to get pushed through in Texas that that apparently
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: cures ninety percent of people ninety plus percent of people
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: from PTSD, mainly veterans, in one dose.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Wow, okay, but it's like.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: A it's like a twelve hour experience. That's like how
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: excuse me? Like, hell, yeah, I've listened to countless people
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: in countless that's not true ten And they all say
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the same thing.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: If it was eleven, it would If it was eleven,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: it would have been countless, wouldn't it, Because that you
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: get more than more than the number of fingers you got, so.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: That's very hurtful, David. I think somebody with your wisdom
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: and insight and giant fucking brain would know not to insult,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: not to insult you the fat, lonely kid. Hey, Tiff,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: what did you find?
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Yes. Stephen King has spoken very openly about struggling with
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: alcoholism and cocaine addiction during much of the late nineteen
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: seventies and eighties. His most famous example was Kujo, where
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: he said he was impaired by addiction at the time
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: and barely remembers writing it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's there's quite a few in that. So, yeah, time,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: do we have three or four minutes to talk about
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: moving towards any kind of solution or is that another show?
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Or no?
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: We can No, we can talk about. The solution is
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: unfortunately very obvious and also very very hard to do,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: which is stop doing addictive things.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that that's a salt. I think, yeah, theoretically,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel like you're saying, yeah, Well.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: By definition, if it was easy, it wouldn't be addictive.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I could stop eating broccoli tomorrow
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: and I'd be fine.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't struggle with that at all.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: But you know, if there was something that I was
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: addicted to, you know, if I was a chocolate addict
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: or something, then I might find it more of a struggle.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: The definition of addiction is that you can't stop doing it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: So but there are ways to construct your environment in
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: such a way and your mindset in such a way
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: that it is easier to stop doing it. And I
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: believe it or not, there are methods where about a
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: third of people who do try to break an addiction
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: do succeed. But it requires you to do a bunch
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: of stuff that most people are not prepared to do.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: One of them is admit that you've got an addiction,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: which that's the biggest hurdle right at the start. And
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of people say to me, oh, look this
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: is all well and good, but I'm not addicted to gaming.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: And they'll say that, but if you say, okay, good,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: throw that in the swimming pool, that gaming box or
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: that computer or whatever and see how you go. And
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: they're not prepared to do that, and they're not prepared
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: to make that. They'd rather sit back and say, look,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I can stop anytime I want. And you hear that
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: from any addict. But the reality is you have to
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: actually stop, and then the really hard bit is stay stopped.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's very common as like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: especially when their addicts who see themselves as being you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: somewhat intellectual or clever or you know, superior or something.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: You know. What springs to mind for me is business men.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: That's very judgmental of it. But quite a few blokes
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I've spoken to where I've realized, you know, some way
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: into the conversation, they are one hundred per addicted. Like
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: this is not occasional over use or abuse. This is like,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: this is something that's inherent and something that's Yeah, but
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: they're you know, oh now, and then I overdo it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: But I'm not addicted. I could. I'm like, you could
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: stop any time. I could stop any time. I'm like, no,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you can't. So there's that, Yeah, you can't acknowledge God.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: What you've got to do is avoid any kind of
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: a moral judgment here. And this is the hard bit
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: is the reason people won't admit to having an addiction
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: is because they know how they feel about people who
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: admit to having an addiction, which is it's a weakness.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: These people are weak, and it's not a weakness. It's biochemistry.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: It's it's just a chemical reaction that's happening. It does
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: says nothing about your moral character. It says nothing about
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: whether you're going to heaven or hell. It says nothing
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: about you at all, other than that you've been exposed
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: to something that produces dopamine hits.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's a topic for another day. Tiff, Heaven
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and hell, Heaven and hell colon Where are you going?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Hashtag eternal Lake of Fire? Yeah? Wow, wow, well mate,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: it's always good to chat. I hope you girls go great, yeah,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and hopefully for the next year and have some fun.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: So do they get put up? Like do they what's
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: it called where you go and live in someone else's house?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: What's that called?
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Tiff? Like cheah?
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Like know when people in skills billets? Yeah, do they
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: get billeted to a family.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: No, But the club's helping them with with some accommodation,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: so it's yeah, it's it'll be an interesting experience for them.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: It'll they'll either find out that they're they're good, well
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: they're rubbish, and they'll be home early.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Is it an English speaking country Sweden?
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: No?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: No, oh, I've been to Sweden.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: They go, well, more people, more people speak Kling than Swedish.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: No, that's not I don't think that's true. I think
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: more than half speaks English. Not amazing. Yeah, by the way,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: when I went to Sweden, I was the ugliest person
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: in the whole country. Oh my god. Even the men
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: are fucking beautiful. I'm like, yeah, I could be gay
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: in a day. Just it's like, oh yeah, it's just
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: a stunning population. All right. On that a moment.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Of interesting interesting in the show.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: They just you've got to have that as a cliffhanger
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: at the start, you know, say, wait for Cranks, really
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: important self reflection.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: At the end, Tiff, can you take that and him
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: all of it out?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: All of it?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: All right, mate, We'll see you next week. We'll say goodbye.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Thanks Tiff.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Thanks