A Pastor's Warning: We're Not in a Civil War, But a Christian Nationalist Holy War—And They Must Not Win.

The Beautiful Mess by John Pavlovitz Podcast · Jan 27, 2026 · 6m

I’m not sure Americans really understand what we’re facing right now.

I do.

I’ve spent most of the last thirty years as a local church pastor, much of that in megachurches in the Bible Belt. I’ve been shoulder to shoulder in ministry and in life with white Evangelicals; I’ve sat in Bible studies with them, served alongside them in staff meetings, attended hundreds of pastoral gatherings, eavesdropped on their conversations, and heard how they think and what drives them.

I need you to understand something:

Conservative white Evangelicals need to be stopped.

You might agree with me as a simple…