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S5 E12 Inside the Mind of a Necrophile_ The Chilling Confession of Karen Greenlee · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, I'm your host Terry true Crime and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another episode of True Crime and Wine Time. Now
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  Speaker 1: tonight we are going to get into the very disturbing
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  Speaker 1: case sorry I'm talking in my ear, the very disturbing
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  Speaker 1: case of Karen Greenley. And I do have a guest
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  Speaker 1: to bring on to help me tell this tale. But
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  Speaker 1: before I bring her on, I do need to make
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  Speaker 1: a very brief announcement. JT, my co host, has made
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  Speaker 1: the decision to step away from True Crime and Wine Time.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: He is still part of our family and we wish
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  Speaker 1: him all of the best and we do look forward
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  Speaker 1: to catching up with him soon. So JT is still
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  Speaker 1: on our special guests for the night. It is the
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  Speaker 1: Couch Queen herself, Lama, host of the newest TCWT media show,
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  Speaker 1: Couch Court with Lama.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, thank you for having me on Terry. I see
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  Speaker 2: feel like my couch potatoes and chat. Make some room
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  Speaker 2: on the couch everyone, we're all friends. Oh gosh, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for having me. I'm uh, I'm just gonna go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and apologize to all the listeners for suggesting we
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  Speaker 2: do this when this week. I'm so sorry. This is
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  Speaker 2: all you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'm still I'm still
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  Speaker 2: loam on the host, but I'm also producer in the background,
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  Speaker 2: so right, I don't even know. I didn't even know
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  Speaker 2: how bad this was going to be until I started
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  Speaker 2: researching it, and then I was just like, oh boy,
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  Speaker 2: oh boy. I've read a lot of disturbing things, but this,
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  Speaker 2: this is my actually take the cake on that. So
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  Speaker 2: I hope you all brought your bark bags tonight because
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  Speaker 2: you're going to need them. It's it's it's gross, it's great.
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  Speaker 1: Well for I tell you what I'm drinking, and you
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  Speaker 1: tell me what you're drinking. I need you to tell
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  Speaker 1: elbow feet it is time for your surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yay, yay. He is going to handle you bebe everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you're ready you're supposed to bring me a surprise.
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  Speaker 1: Scared, don't look don't look scared scared, I mean you
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  Speaker 1: should be narciss.
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  Speaker 2: Gotch friends unit Babe, tell him he's ruining the surprise
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  Speaker 2: where he's on the phone. No, that's my little mama.
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  Speaker 2: Good timing because I didn't even know they left. But
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  Speaker 2: you're supposed to have a surprise for me. Okay, Oh
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  Speaker 2: she said later, she said right now? Now she said no,
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  Speaker 2: she said now, but I didn't even know they snuck
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  Speaker 2: off to get food.
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  Speaker 1: Can I tell you why can't men just do what
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  Speaker 1: they're told?
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  Speaker 2: I know, I mean, helloe tell you. Welcome to my life.
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  Speaker 2: It's like this all the timely thing. He's lucky, he
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  Speaker 2: is so pretty. Oh cheese, oh cheese. Oh. I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know if it's going to show up on my
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  Speaker 2: green screen, but it's oil. I thought you could do that.
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  Speaker 2: It was going to have to be something I had
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  Speaker 2: to eat. And I was like, oh god, oh no,
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  Speaker 2: there's one more thing. Oh there's one more thing. Oh
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's edible. There's one more thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: oh there should be too, there should be two things.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I think after that whole day thing. You
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  Speaker 2: have to sign another thing. It's so stupid. Oh what's this?
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  Speaker 2: Fourteen hands winery, Hot to Trot, smooth blend. Oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 2: thank you baby oil.
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  Speaker 1: Just think.
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  Speaker 2: Think of the case tonight. Oh gosh, you drink it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, uh no, because I've already poured a big
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  Speaker 2: why already?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that with this, do not drink the
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  Speaker 1: Baby'll trust for you and al.
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  Speaker 2: To do whatever you want to do it. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure Mama Lama is super excited to hear about that.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's probably like, oh, what is this weird thing? Well,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't know, then you have not watched my
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  Speaker 2: diddy updates the last couple of days. Because there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of baby oil and you guys, well, thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much, Terry. I thought, if we're.
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  Speaker 1: Going to talk about your you know, your little special
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  Speaker 1: you're doing that, you should have a prop to go
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  Speaker 1: with it. It makes it much more fun to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the baby.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, well, thank you, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Hand that you can drink that when you're needing to
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  Speaker 1: think about this case with all the hands, so much
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  Speaker 1: hands and hands.
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  Speaker 2: But I decided to wait checking for tics. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it is good for checking tics.
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  Speaker 1: It is because it mothers theme and so back out
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  Speaker 1: so that you can grab them easier.
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  Speaker 2: Really okay, then not see it being better because with
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  Speaker 2: elbow beats new job, he's outside a lot and ticks
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  Speaker 2: are really bad this season, he said, I have to
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  Speaker 2: check him every day when he comes home. That's why
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  Speaker 2: on couch Cord with Lama, I'll disappear for a few
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  Speaker 2: minutes around three three thirty because I had to do
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  Speaker 2: tick duty. Is that what the kids are calling it
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  Speaker 2: these days? Tick duty? Yeah? Check it for tics? Look,
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  Speaker 2: I know, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, but I am drinking good old Kim Crawford seven
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  Speaker 1: blanc because I'll be honest, I didn't want to open
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  Speaker 1: something else I might throw it up, and I do
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  Speaker 1: have a trash cano here. Oh, because this case disturbs
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  Speaker 1: me a little bit or.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of this. What are you drinking tonight? Well, tonight,
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  Speaker 2: I'm drinking my usual Yosemite Road mescato, but I paired
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  Speaker 2: it with one of my other favorite drinks. It's not
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  Speaker 2: an alcoholic, but it's Izzy's sparkling BlackBerry. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what I want to call it, but hasberry right here?
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  Speaker 2: Oh that that's great. I love Izzy. They're not a sponsor,
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  Speaker 2: but if they want to sponsor us, you would make
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  Speaker 2: me so happy. All right, I will literally talk about
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  Speaker 2: it all of the time. Izzy. If you want to
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  Speaker 2: sponsor the True Criminal Mind ten people. Yes, out to
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  Speaker 2: our producer Lama. She's great. That's me. She's great. I hear,
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  Speaker 2: she's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Now tonight, guys, we are going to talk about the deeply,
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  Speaker 1: deeply unsettling story of Karen Greenley, also known as the
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  Speaker 1: best known modern practitioner of necrophilia.
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  Speaker 2: Now, gross, I think I'm going.
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  Speaker 1: To throw out the trigger warning now and we'll put
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  Speaker 1: the banner up. Night's episode will have many sexually deviant themes,
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  Speaker 1: as well as talk about suicidal ideation. So this may
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  Speaker 1: not be for everyone. And if it's not, that is okay,
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  Speaker 1: I totally get it. We will see you next time, Okay, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Because if I didn't love Lama so much, I would
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  Speaker 1: hit her for this case. I mean, JT picked some
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  Speaker 1: dark cases, but this is beyond dark, okay. Thing Now,
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  Speaker 1: there really isn't much to know about Karen's early life,
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  Speaker 1: or really much about our adult one for that matter.
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  Speaker 1: We do know she was born in nineteen fifty eight,
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  Speaker 1: and she was one of three siblings. Okay, now, her father,
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  Speaker 1: Al Myers, described her as a lovable little girl. He also,
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  Speaker 1: do I hear is that her dad talking with.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's people that forget that. I'm live on YouTube
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  Speaker 2: right now having conversations in the hallway. Okay, that's okay,
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  Speaker 2: what happens now.
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  Speaker 1: Her dad also said in an interview that she had
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  Speaker 1: been sexually abused at the age of eight and was
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  Speaker 1: then raped by a teacher at the age of fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, And afterwards the family relocated from Sonoma County,
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  Speaker 1: California to Califax, California. Some think and they were trying
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  Speaker 1: to get away from that, which I think is a
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  Speaker 1: good thing. But somewhere between graduating high schoo and her
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  Speaker 1: arrest a few years later, Karen did get married, okay, though.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't seem that at last.
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  Speaker 1: However, she did not get divorced. She was separated from
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  Speaker 1: her husband and by December nineteen seventy nine, when I
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  Speaker 1: was nine years old, she was living in an apartment
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  Speaker 1: above Sacramento Memorial Lawn Mortuary in Sacramento, California. And guys,
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  Speaker 1: she worked as an apprentice in Balmer.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yay, yay. I'm going to just say, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: she's hugging that caskeet a little uncomfortably for me, just
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  Speaker 2: uncomfortable for what we were about to.
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  Speaker 1: In the very early mornings of December seventeenth, nineteen seventy nine,
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  Speaker 1: she was twenty one years old, she told a fellow
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  Speaker 1: coworker that she was going to pick up a body.
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  Speaker 1: Except instead of taking the vehicle normally use for such
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  Speaker 1: a task, she took the nineteen seventy five Cadillac hearse. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that in itself is creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: In that hearse was the body of thirty three year
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  Speaker 1: old John Mercury, who had died seven days earlier and
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  Speaker 1: was scheduled to be buried that morning. Guys, when Karen
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  Speaker 1: did not return, a police bulletin went out looking for
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  Speaker 1: the hearse and Karen, yes, guys, she took the hearse
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  Speaker 1: with the body.
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  Speaker 2: Could you imagine that bulletin is going out? No?
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  Speaker 1: I mean now, I'm sure law enforcement was like, say again, right,
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  Speaker 1: come at me again, Yeah, now, Karen. The hearse and
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  Speaker 1: the body of John were located the next day in
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  Speaker 1: Sierra County, California. Now, law enforcement found her locked inside. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you heard me. She was locked inside the hearse and
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  Speaker 1: she refused to leave. Now, after an hour and a half,
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  Speaker 1: she finally unlocked the doors, but she had also attempted
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  Speaker 1: suicide by ingesting several tail and all encodings. Karen was
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  Speaker 1: rushed to the hospital and had her stomach pumped. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: she did survive the ordeal.
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  Speaker 2: That's a tough way to try to go. She's very
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  Speaker 2: lucky and fortunate she is.
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  Speaker 1: I did not find out till we lived in Las
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  Speaker 1: Vegas that someone could actually die from overdosing on tailanol.
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  Speaker 1: Till one of my kid's friends and our neighbor's daughter
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  Speaker 1: died from overdosing on I didn't know, and I was shocked.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so law enforcement did find a four and
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  Speaker 1: a half page letter written by her in the hearse,
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  Speaker 1: where she had confess to having sex with twenty to
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  Speaker 1: forty bodies of young men, calling it an addiction.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. She's
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  Speaker 2: twenty one here, uh huh and already twenty to forty
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  Speaker 2: bodies a young man. Okay, all right, wow, okay, anyway, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so be ready to do this. Okay, So, now here's
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  Speaker 2: what she wrote, why do I do it? Why? Why?
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  Speaker 2: Fear of love? Relationships? No romance ever hurt like this.
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  Speaker 2: It's the pits. I'm a more regret that this is
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  Speaker 2: my rat hole, perhaps perhaps my grave now.
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  Speaker 1: She also wrote that she loved her parents, but she
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  Speaker 1: could not ask them to help her with these taboo urges.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to say, how would you talk to
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  Speaker 1: youaingly about that? I mean, as a mom, I would
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  Speaker 1: still love my child, but I think they would have
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  Speaker 1: to take me to the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you process that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I could so, but like I said,
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  Speaker 1: She also wrote that she loved her parents.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she wrote, I have nowhere or no one to
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  Speaker 2: go to. Yes, and there's my dad and mom. But
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  Speaker 2: I'd be replacing one problem with another. They fight and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I get old in the middle. I know they
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  Speaker 2: need someone to talk to who understands, cares, and doesn't talk,
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  Speaker 2: so I listen. I owe it to them. I put
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  Speaker 2: them through so much pain through the years. I love them.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could help them, but I get physically
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  Speaker 2: ill if I stay with them the fighting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a therapist, but I am going to say
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  Speaker 1: she has some definite childhood trauma, not just from the
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  Speaker 1: things that happened to her, but sounds like it was
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  Speaker 1: a dysfunctional family. Now, guys, in nineteen seventy nine, necrophilia
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  Speaker 1: was not a crime in California. And if y'all are
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  Speaker 1: doing like me, you're going, how was it not? And
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  Speaker 1: surely they made it a law about it right after this?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Guess what, guys?
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  Speaker 1: No, No, necrophilia did not become illegal in California until
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 2: That's when I got through in high school. Four.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, guys, before we judge California too hard, I
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  Speaker 1: recommend you, guys waiting until the end where I'm to
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  Speaker 1: share a little bit more information about other states.
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  Speaker 2: Or you can go ahead and.
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  Speaker 1: Google your state now if you want, because you can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: By Google search industry is gonna make me it look
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  Speaker 2: so bad, so bad. But I know of one particular
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  Speaker 2: state up north of where I am, so we all
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  Speaker 2: know what state that is. They just made it illegal
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  Speaker 2: last year, last year, the state of Michigan. Last year.
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  Speaker 2: It's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna ask everybody to go hit the like
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  Speaker 1: us and it helps people find us because it's about
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  Speaker 2: Lot more fun.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Now, Karen was charged and pled guilty to stealing
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  Speaker 1: the hearse and interfering with the funeral. You had to
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  Speaker 1: serve eleven days in jail, a two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: five dollars fine, two years probation, and mandatory therapy.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. That's crazy for stealing a car. I were
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  Speaker 2: in the body. Yeah, but it's also what nineteen seventy nine,
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  Speaker 2: so that probably isn't a law of that either.
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  Speaker 1: Probably, But John's mother filed a one million dollar lawsuit
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  Speaker 1: against Karen and the mortuary for severe emotional distress.
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  Speaker 2: Girl. Yes, but guys, she.
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  Speaker 1: Ended up receiving one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's both of those numbers are pretty big
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  Speaker 2: for nineteen seventy nine, for now the early eighties at
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  Speaker 2: this point, I don't know. But she also had John's
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  Speaker 2: body exhumed and decided to have it taken to Michigan
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  Speaker 2: to be buried because I'm sure once it hit the news,
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  Speaker 2: people were going to see it. And that's just awful.
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  Speaker 1: Now the good news, that's pretty much all of her
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  Speaker 1: legal troubles that we know of, because it is believed
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  Speaker 1: that she changed her name and she is still alive
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  Speaker 1: and her whereabouts are unknown. I did check the file
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  Speaker 1: is sealed. Wow, the file is sealed, And I'm assuming.
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  Speaker 2: As I just did. I I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: pick my camera picks it up.
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  Speaker 1: But I did like, oh yeah, So I was able
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  Speaker 1: to find a filing in nineteen eighty one that she
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  Speaker 1: filed emotion and it was sealed. So I'm thinking that's
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  Speaker 1: her change in her name. But there's not really much
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  Speaker 1: out there about her. But the title of tonight's show
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  Speaker 1: is not inside the crimes of a necro file, It's
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  Speaker 1: inside the mind of one. And that is where we
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  Speaker 1: may be for the rest of the show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not often that you get to hear these
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  Speaker 1: types of confessions from the perpetrator in their own words.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be honest at the end, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: really wish we had no Okay, so true that our
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  Speaker 1: wonderful producer felt we should do this.
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  Speaker 2: She's amazing. She should get a raised. She should I
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  Speaker 2: will give her one. She's tomorrow morning, just kidd Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, five years after her rest. Karen gave a very
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  Speaker 1: detailed interview. Oh my god, that picture, don't worry taking,
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  Speaker 1: by god, right.
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  Speaker 2: On top of a body in there, I think so
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  Speaker 2: it looks like a very old Oh my god, I
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  Speaker 2: think so. Everybody drink next time.
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  Speaker 1: I need to see the pictures before they just pop
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  Speaker 1: up all the screen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my heavens. Okay, I'm not going to leave it
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  Speaker 2: up there that long, y'all, but I you know, well,
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to see if I could pick out
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  Speaker 2: body parts. But anyway, oh girl, I have put it
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  Speaker 2: back up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just getting five years after her rest, Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: She gave a very detailed interview called the Unrepentant necro
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  Speaker 1: File to author Jim Morton for his book Apocalypse Culture.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what, mama, we are going to read that.
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  Speaker 1: So I want everybody to grab that barf bag a
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  Speaker 1: drink and hold it close.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I also want you to keep in mind this interview
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  Speaker 1: was done over forty years ago. Okay, times were different,
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  Speaker 1: words were used differently, and these words are Karen's in
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  Speaker 1: the interviewers, not our own, right.
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  Speaker 2: So Lama gets to be lucky.
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  Speaker 1: I am going to play the role of the interviewer
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  Speaker 1: Jim Lama, you get to be carried?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, this is might be the weird this
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  Speaker 2: might be the weirdest role playing I've ever done. But
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  Speaker 2: I will give it. I'll give it a go. Take
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  Speaker 2: one for the team. I hope Mama Lama's ready. That's
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  Speaker 2: all I gotta say. Buffy said, I'm clipping this. Buffy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Buffy. She was like, oh, we need all you,
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  Speaker 2: all the faces for future thumbnails. Oh the faces to
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  Speaker 2: get them. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: Just wait now he starts the interview reviewing the facts
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  Speaker 1: that just shared with you, So we're going.
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  Speaker 2: To start here.
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  Speaker 1: The press had a field day, the lawyers got rich,
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  Speaker 1: and Karen lost her career and the source of her
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  Speaker 1: sexual satisfaction. But guys, Karen is now more comfortable with
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  Speaker 1: her sexuality.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, Karen, When I wrote that letter, I was still
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  Speaker 2: listening to society. Everyone said necrophilia was wrong, so I
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  Speaker 2: must be doing something wrong. But the more people try
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: to convince me that I was crazy, the more sure
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: of my desires I became. Okay.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: The following interview was held in Karen's apartment, which was
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a small studio filled with books, necrophilic drawings, and satanic adornments.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Cool, of course it was. I mean, if you're going
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: to do it, do it right, I guess I mean,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: or go home. Back.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: During the trial, from what I ran the newspapers, it
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: seemed like you got very little support.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Karen, No none whatsoever. The newspapers were the worst. To
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: this day, I hate reporters. One of them even compared
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: me to Richard Trenton Chase, the vampire killer. What support
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: there was was like a family obligations. One of my
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: brothers refused to have anything to do with me. He said,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I just want to remember her as she was. He
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: came up to me later and apologized, but he still
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: is uncomfortable around me. My other brother was more supportive,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: but even he had to ask how to do it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Before the trial, I had a boyfriend who found out
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: about it. He got mad and slapped me around. He
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: said I wasn't even a woman and I could go
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: fuck my dead bodies. I was surprised he knew. Apparently
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of people knew, and I don't know how
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: they knew. With guys, they always felt I went for
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the bodies because I was hard up, and if I
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: went to bed with them, then they then that would
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: change me, and they would be the one who would
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: give me such satisfaction. I wouldn't need those old courses anymore.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I've run into that a lot. Sometimes they had guys
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: come on to me for just that reason. Oh, I
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: guess I should starn that. All that is, mister Craig Lackey.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Now the question I am most often asked is how
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: did she do it?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's the question. People ask questions like that.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Even people who seem pretty cool seem to have open minds.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Then when you tell them, they say, that's very interesting.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Then don't want to have much to do with me.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, it's already starting the yeah reflexes I'm reading. Okay,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: oh boy, I don't mind telling people how I do it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to me. But anyone in depth sexually
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have to ask. People have this misconception that there
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: has to be penetration for sexual gratification, which is bold.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: The most sensitive part of a woman is the front
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: area anyway, and that is what needs to be stimulated. Besides,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: there are different aspects of sexual expression Dutchy Feely sixty nine.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Even holding hands, that body is just lying there but
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: it has what it takes to make me happy. The cold,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the aura of death, the smell of death, the funeral surroundings.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: It all contributes. The smell of death. Sure, I find
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the odor of death very erotic. There are death odors,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and there are death odors. Now. You get your body
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: that's been floating in the bay for two weeks, or
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: a burn victim. That doesn't attract me much, but a
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: freshly involved corpse is something else. There's also this attraction
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to blood on top of a body. It tends to
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: purge blood out of its mouth while you're making passionate love.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: You'd have to be there, I guess. Of course, with
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: all the aids going around, that's the reason I haven't
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: tried anything lately. I'm sure i'd have found a way
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: to get into one of those funeral homes by now.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: But the group I find attractive are young men in
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: their twenties, and there are the ones who are dying
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: of aids. Okay, I'm sorry, you're welcome. Yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Did you usually attend the funerals of your corpse lovers?
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was convenient working in the funeral homes. I
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: get to drive out to the cemetery with the family.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I get them warned right along with the family at
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the loss of the loved one, except I was growning
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: in a little different tone. People can't really tell if
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: your grief stricken or passion stricken. I've had family members
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: of the families put their arms around me and say,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: we're so glad you could come. Then you have to
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: spend this big old yarn. Yeah I knew him in school.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: If the guy didn't have a girlfriend in life, they
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: think you were, Oh, she's the one.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's not what they meant by saying they
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: were glad you could come. Your version, But okay, let's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: get back to what. Yeah, you weren't in Sacramento at
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the time of the trial, were you.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: No. I was working in a funeral home in another
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: city and going to school at the same time. It's weird,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: but the day I got a telegram about the trial
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: telling me to get in touch with my attorney, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: went into the funeral home and was fired for things
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I had done at that funeral home. Somebody, I guess
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: got wise of me. I know I wasn't seen, but
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I think somebody just figured it out. Of Course, they
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: didn't know about Sacramentum. Yet they found that out later
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the same day, within five hours of each other. Two
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: totally different things caught up with me. I worked in
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that funeral home for almost a year. That's where I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: did a lot of my extracurricular activities. I had keys,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: so i'd slipped back and it'd slipped back in after
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: hours and spend all night there. A guy lived at
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the funeral home in an apartment downstairs. He drank so
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: he usually passed out. He also had a three fifty
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: seven Magnum under his pillow. The guy that court case
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: was about, I mean John Mercury. Yeah, I understand he
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: was moved out of the cemetery after the trial that happened.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: At the time I was breaking into this funeral home,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: there was a side room, one of those arrangement areas
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: where they always have their case folders out. I read
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: there was an exhumation order for John mrcare. Then I
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: read something in the paper. It his mother, one of
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: the body exums, said she couldn't bury her cat there
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: On the day he was supposed to be exhumed, I
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: snuck out into a field across from where he was buried.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I sat out in the field and watched them dig
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: up the body and give him to this other mortician,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and they shipped him back to Michigan.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So when did you first become aware of your necrophilia that.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: It's something I've been attracted to all my life. I
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: used to hold funeral services for my pets when they died,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: had a little cut graveyard. I lived in a small
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: town and the fireman's barbecue was next door to the
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: funeral home. To go to the bathroom, you had to
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: use the facilities in the funeral home, and I'd find
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: any excuse I could to go to the bathroom. Then
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I'd take side trips and wander around the mortuary. It
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: didn't scare you like the other kids. No, I loved it.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I was real curious. I had wander around the halls.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Now do you miss working in funeral homes?
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, terribly, Even if I wasn't an agrophile, I like
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: mortuary work. I enjoy embalming and everything, except for obese people.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: The bodies I hated working on most were obese people,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: specifically if they'd been on autop seed, their guts would
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: slide on the floor and shit all this melty fat.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Oh thank you for that, Karen, you said something previously
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: about the vampire killer Richard Trenton Chase. He was from Sacramento,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't he.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Second funeral home I worked for it. I wasn't
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: working there at the time. Got the bodies of Jesus victims,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a man and a woman in their child. So I
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: hear the glory details of what the bodies look like.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: They were really butchered, and they were disendowed with shits
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: stuffed in their mouths. She started by killing animals and
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: drinking their blood, and when he wasn't satisfied with that,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: he graduated to people. He killed this couple, then kidnapped
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: their child, killed it, and later threw it in the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: trash can. The mortician who embalmed the body said he
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: hardly ever got queasy about anything, but he got sick
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: when he saw those bodies.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I'm going to just say I have to agree with Kapain, Karen.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Have you thought about a bob it is the early
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: tickets in a freezer when it comes out just going
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to be my suggestion, Karen, if you're listening to this, Yeah, Now,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: what's the weird?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: What this case you've ever encountered? Hm? There was one
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: kid who fell out of a car while his mom
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: was making a turn and she managed to run over
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: his head. Another kid choked to death on a cigarette wrapper.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: One guy commits suicide by shooting himself in the head
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: with a peller rifle. He had to shoot himself several
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: times and it took him a while to die, but
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: he finally succeeded. There was another guy who worked on
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: He was a transvestite who somehow strangled himself with his nylons.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think there was intentional I think he was
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: trying to achieve a heightened orgasm through strangulation and he
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: ended up hanging himself. He wouldn't be the first to
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: make that mistake. Now, how about the most unusual funeral?
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: What time this bunch of religious fanatics held the funeral
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: for one of their members that they didn't want her INVALMD.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: They just wanted her dressed and in the casket. We
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: usually didn't do that, but we decided to be nice
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: and put her up in the stateroom. We were standing
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: outside of that stateroom and we heard someone saying, rise
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: in the name of Jesus. They were praying and slapping
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the body. They were talking in tongues. That was weird.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Wow, Now seems to be a strong camaraderie between morticians.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I'm the sec It's a secret society.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Very much so morticians are very tight with each other
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: because most people won't have anything to do with them.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I used to find if I went to a party,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I'd always be introduced like, this is Karen, and she's
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: a mortician. But they don't say, here's Karen, she's a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: secretary or she's a veterinary assistant. A lot of people
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: are under the misconception that morticians are very straight, very
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: somber people. If they ever went back into the prep
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: room and heard all the jokes that are cracked, blow
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: that theory right out the window.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Now, did any of those morticians ever testify for or
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: against you at the trial?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: One funeral director testified on behalf of funeral practices. He
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: was asked how often necrophilia occurs, and he said, it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: almost unheard of in this profession.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a major lie.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, definitely, necrophilia is more prevalent than most people imagine.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Funeral holmes just don't report it. There was one place
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: that I broke into and I know that they knew
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: something was wrong. They actually caught me in the act
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and let me get away. At another place I was working,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: this guy came up to me and said, someone's been
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: messing around with the body. It looks like they were
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: trying to fuck the body. I said, Oh, my goodness,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: really I think they figured it out later? Are I
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: know they know now? One more Titian I worked with
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: used to like to use that trocar, which is a
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: large hollow needle used to suction fluids from corpses and
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: push it up inside any male cadaver's dick. He'd say, Oh, look,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: the corpses go to boner. This guy was really weird.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: What's okay? Okay, that's weird too far. Everybody has a line, terry,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: everybody has a vine anyway. And see, he looked like
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Larry of the Three Stooges. I think he had some
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: necrophilic tendencies. He'd get real upset if there weren't any
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: female bodies to work on. He'd start pacing. I called
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: him one time in the prep room. He said he
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: was just taking a pee in the hopper at the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: end of the table. He was just pulling up his
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: pants when I walked in. I said, I won't tell
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: if you don't.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, now you say you were once caught in the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: act of necrophilia once.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I tried to kill myself and was living in
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: a halfway house a couple of blocks up from the
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: funeral home. I decided to go to the mausoleum and
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: try to kill myself again. The mausoleum had a door
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: connecting it to the mortuary, so I was sitting in
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: there real depressed, when, just for the hell of it,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I decided to try running my driver's license along the
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: edge of the door and click, the door popped open.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it, so I tried it again, and
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the door popped open again. I went into the prep
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: room and there happened to be a body in there.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I had me some fun, did my thing, and forgot
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: all about killing myself. I told the folks at the
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: halfway house that I stayed the night with friends. I
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: went in there several times. Sometimes there was absolutely no bodies,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: so I turned around and snuck back out. I usually
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: went in the back door. About a week later, I
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: snuck back into the funeral home. I was on the
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: perp table, having a good old time. When all of
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: a sudden, I felt like there was somebody nearby. Next thing,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I heard people walking down the hallway. I quietly jumped
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: off the table and threw the sheet back over the body.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: My clothes were in quite a state of disarray, and
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I had blood on me and everything else. It had
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: been an autopsy case. Oh my god. There was a
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: casket with the lid open in the side casket room,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: so I ran and hid behind it. The casket was
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: on a church truck, so they couldn't see me, but
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: they could see my legs. It was a man and
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: a woman there, and they were standing there saying, who
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: are you? What are you doing here? One of them
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: said to the other, you go get a gun and
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: call the cops, and I'll stay down here. I knew
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I only had one chance then, so I busted out
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and ran. I knew the layout of the place, so
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I just ran down the hall and out of the
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: place and out of the cemetery. At the time, I
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: still had a friend who worked at the funeral home.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: He said, somebody broke into the funeral home. They know
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: it was you. They put an alarm after that, I
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: think they called the police, but there was never any charges.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they didn't want the publicity. That was the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: last time I got very close, except for I've broken
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: into a few tombs, and that's one does to be cremated.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: But have you seen any changes in people's attitudes towards necrophilia. Yeah,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: when I came out here, I noticed that it's almost
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: a fad. They're not real files, but pseudo negro files,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: like a death cult. But there are probably a lot
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: of people who would do it if they had the opportunity.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Perhaps there is this vast network of necrophiles who, for
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: lack of a better forum, will never know of each
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: other's existence. Well, there's Leela Wendels group American Association of
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Nephiliac Research and Enlightenment. We try and get some information
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: out about it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, that is just scariest shit to me. But it
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: must be frustrating when people say we have to cure you.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: You've got to be more like us, and you're weird.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Sorry it is.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: For a while I found myself thinking, yeah, this is
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: a normal. Why can't I be like other people? Why
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't the same pair of shoes fit me just right?
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I went through all that personal health. And finally I
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: accepted myself and realized that's just me, that's my nature,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and I might as well enjoy it. I'm miserable when
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I try to find something and try to be something
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not. And two, a lot of these people who
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: are putting me down have hang ups worse than I have,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: or they do things that might be considered questionable by
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: their peers. I had a gay friend who, when he
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: found out I was a necrophilesaid, you can go to
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: help for that. After nineteen seventy nine, when I was
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: put out on probation, part of the probation requirement was
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: that I seek therapy. I had a really nice social worker.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: She was cool, very non judgmental. The more I talk
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: to these people, the more I realized necrophilia makes sense
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: to me. The reason I was having a problem with
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: it was because I couldn't accept myself. I was so
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: trying to live my life by other people's standards. To
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: accept it was peace. These people who are always trying
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: to change me only helped me get myself more in
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: touch with my feelings. I used to go from the
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: therapist's office to the funeral funeral home. It didn't work, folks.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: It didn't work. So that is the conclusion of our
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: role play. Thanks, I have a breaking God. I have
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: a quick question for the live yours and for the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: replay grew. Do you think Karen continued on with her
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: necrophilia ways leave the comment below and let us know
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: what you think. Personally, the vibe I get from this
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: interview is she has had zero intentions of stopping.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I am just gonna say she hasn't stopped.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: She hasn't stopped.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I have to say one thing about
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: her before I get into the next part. I do
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: get that it must have been hard to feel not
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: in touch with yourself and to feel like you didn't belong.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: And now she's more with herself. The girl you do
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: not want to be okay with yourself.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And I think the reason people knew is because I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: can tell you that when you get dead bodies smell
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: on you, it's kind of like firemen. They can't get
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: that smell off of them.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they are.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: You smell like decomp That is how they though you've
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: been doing the hokey pokey with the dead.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. People that like do crime scene clean up and
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: things like that. They said those exact things that like,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: you can't get that smell off you. Oh gosh, that
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: was rough. I mean, I just I just anyway.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit about necrophilia
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: because when Lama decided we should do this so fascinating,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: bright and sunshiny case that I needed to go down
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: some rabbit holes. I found out way more than I
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: ever needed to know. Okay, Now, necrophilia has been around
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: almost forever. There is Egyptian artifacts that shows necrophilia happen. Okay, Now,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I believe psychologists introduced a ten tier classification of necrophiliacs
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: based on the increasing severity of the disorder.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Is this like a Cosmo quiz hell book? Yeah, so
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: here we go.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: There's necrophiliac fantasizers, people who fantasize about necrophilia but do
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: not physically interact with corpses.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's cool. Six say I can look at that one.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: That's fine, Okay.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Fetish histic necrophiliacs people who remove objects or body parts
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: from a corpse for sexual fetishes without engaging an intercourse.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: So that fourteen hands wine you got tonight, that is
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: fourteen hands that.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: You can it's hot hot to trot. It's so weird. Okay, So.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: It looks like Cheryl and Jenn have popped up and
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: they're going, what in the hell is Terry doing? Yeah,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I hope you'll miss the part about some of them
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: stuff bubbles up out of their mouths.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: So necro multi multi low maniacs, it's too long. People
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: who derive pleasure from mutilating a corpse while masturbating without
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: engaging an intercourse.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's bad. That's bad. That's bad. I don't like that. Now.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Opportunistic necrophiliacs.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: People who normally have no interest in necrophilia, but hey,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: they take the opportunity when it arises.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, why not, yolo? I guess? Oh god, Okay,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I mean no.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of things that I say, Hey,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: if the opportunity arises, try it.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: This is not one of them. Okay, okay, this is
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: not one of them. I'm glad that's not on your
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: bucket list, Terry.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Now there is regular necrophiliacs. Okay, this is the regular wins,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: people who preferentially have intercourse with the dead. That's the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: regular wines.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. So I have a problem more with
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: them or the ones who like mutilate the body and
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: then do something. I think that one might be worse
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: in my book. I mean, I don't know. It depends
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: on how dead the person is. I mean, that's like
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: fresh leaves. Therry's getting lines right now.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: No, homicidal, nephing, necrophiliacs, they are called necro status. So
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: those are people who murder someone so they can have
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: sex with them when they're dead.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: So they don't kill them for the pleasure of killing them,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: They kill them because they need a dead body.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, brokes.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Now this next one and this is the last one.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Exclusive necrophiliacs. They're exclusive, Okay, people who have an exclusive
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: interest in sex with the dead and they cannot perform
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: at all for a living partner. Oh, so they exclusively
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: can only have sex with the dead. So I have
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: to tell y'all, when I was reading down this rabbit hole,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: my first thought in this tells you, I don't know
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: if I'm a horrible person or if I've just been
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: doing true crime too long. What happens if she's having
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: sex with that dead guy and his member breaks off?
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Why is it gonna break off.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Because they're dead? The body starts decomposing.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's true. It's got an invider.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It's you're gonna break off, and she's getting it out
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: of the cemetery, out of a tomb.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, but if it's already in a tune, it's not.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: The flag isn't raising up at that point, the blood
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: is out of the body. If it's an antinue, there's
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: no other things.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Seeing Tyler Perry's the one about the funeral where the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: guy had taken via ager and he had a heart
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: attack and in the middle of the funeral he got
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: a boner and it popped the top of the casket
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: up and.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: They kept trying to push it down. Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's my next question is when do they
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: stop gurgling stuff?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I really wish I was not taking a drink when
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: you said that, but sure, oh low, do they do
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: that anybody until they drained the body of the fluids
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: would be my.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Now, only eleven percent of necrophiliacs that have been studied
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: are psychotic. I don't know if that makes me happy
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: or disturbed, because that's only of the people they studied,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and they said they studied a hundred.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Oh it's interesting. I think I know.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Now, we talked earlier about California not outlawing and making
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: it illegal for neck or phelia. So I decided to
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: go check and do some things. There are several states
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: that do not explicitly prohibit the act of necrophilia.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Guys in New Mexico just did this last year. New Mexico.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: It just went through twenty twenty five. Wow.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Now currently Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, and Rhode Island do not
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: explicitly prohibit the act of necrophilia.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Interesting, and guys, I find that crazy. That's wild.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Now they do have that you can be charged with
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: messing with the dead body like grave robbery.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: But guys, okay, go with me for me the same
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: thing exactly. And this is still so I think it's
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: New Mexico.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: The reason they did it is because they wanted to
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: charge a guy or raping a dead body, but it
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: wasn't against the law.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Therefore they could not charge him with rape. Mm hmm.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: It is still not consensual to have sex with a
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: dead person.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Well, they can't get consent.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Therefore you shouldn't do it. It should be illegal. Okay,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned that.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Captain. Is it bad that I'm saying. Tell I love media. Okay,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I do have asked a mortician. I have this weird
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: thing where I do follow like morticians. Her. There's Carrie
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: the mortician, and I follow It's very interesting. No one
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: to talk about you hit this case.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I do not follow any morticians. I do not what Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I'm more curious. Okay, oh my god.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, Now, when I decided to look into this, I
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: found a list of one hundred and sixty three documented necrophiles,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to tell you some of the most
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: famous ones. Okay, okay, every dahmer who performed oral sex
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: and or masturbated upon the corpses of his victims before
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: he dismembered them.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Now I did not know this one.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy raped and killed at least thirty women. He
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: admitted to having post mortem sexual intercourse with his victims.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I did not know that about Bundy.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Didn't he ask his girlfriend to play dead?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: He did, but I didn't know that he actually admitted
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: that he had sex.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: With He's like like tier one and seven. I guess nine.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: So then there's Henry Lee Lucas. He had sexual intercourse
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: with the dead bodies of several of his victims, and
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: when he was asked why, he said he killed them
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: before having sex with him because he liked peace and quiet.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, sir, just tell her to not talk a ballgag.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe if she's consenting. Oh boy, now give me Gary Richway,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: who killed at least forty nine women and he dumped
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: their bodies.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: He would return days and days later and would perform
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: sexual acts on the victims.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: He preferred it the more decomp the better. Mm. That's
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: so gross. Oh my god, I like that smell. What
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: is he the happy face skiller? Right? I think so?
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I found one r a coal that I guess he
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: did some interviews and stuff. He liked to rub their
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: body parts on him so he could keep the decomp
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: smell on him.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I could go on, but let's not. Okay, we
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: like Yeah.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Now, let me just say there are a lot of them,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: and that necrophilia is a formal diagnosis and it falls
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: under the other specified para paraphilic orders in the Diagnostic
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. So it is a
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: mental disorder.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I would think so so are you ready for this?
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, ninety five percent of necrophiles are men.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: That's not shot, that's not shot.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: There one hundred percent of necrophilic homicide homicides or are
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: betrayed by men. Could not find a documented case of
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: a woman who killed the man just to have sex
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: with them.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Right, wasn't that level ten? Was that to your ten? Oh?
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: It's so not only like dear, no, oh my god.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Now this is even more, not more disturbing, but equally
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: as disturbing. Here are some animals that partake in necrophilia.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Animals, crows, interesting, kangaroos, okay, ducks, d.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Okay pinguins, but penguins theirs is the romantic.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Don't get me for life?
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: They do, and so they will try to steal mate
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: and have a baby with their dad.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Partner, So that one that's sad. And then sea lions,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: dolphins and my cute little sea otters and guys. There
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: are a lot more. Oh, I'm really glad you didn't
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: see wamas because I'd have to think about rebranding right now.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would definitely have to think about it now.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I'll say I found it interesting that so many animals
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: do it. Too, But I'm gonna say I find it
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: less creepy than I do humans doing it, And I
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: don't know what that says about me, but I would
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: rather animals do it than humans.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: That's fair. I have a question for the audience or
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: our listeners viewers, have you.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Ever known anyone that have necrophilia tendencies?
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Or your thoughts for you yourself? You can be anonymous,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: you can gain me on one of us. Somebody drop
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: reading it.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: It falls under the same area as alcoholism in the
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: mental health thing, and that really made me stop and think,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: you know, it's probably more common than we know that
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: they just can't do anything about it. I I don't know.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not strange person that has said I
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: want to be like hiking and find a dead body.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: But I don't have sex with it because I just
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: think it would be well, like hiking in a park.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want it to be somebody I know. I
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: want to find like skeletal remains. Okay, so that then
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: you can be part of the investigation. You can maybe
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: find out it was somebody whose family had been looking
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: for them for years.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: You could help solve the case. Okay. I won't have
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: sex no and another tibit I found.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: If any of you do like the smell of dcomp
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: or death, you can go on Amazon and buy a
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: fly trap bag and it has you add the water
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: to it and that's how it attracts the flies to it.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: It smells like dcomp. It will make your We've bought
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: them before and we had to get rid of them
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: because we just.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Couldn't do it.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: It's death in a bag and it attracts all the
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: flies to it.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: But you can go on Amazon. They're like sixteen dollars.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: So wait, does it come in like a bottle jar?
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: It does. Holly prissy pants boyfriend got something that attracted
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: all the flies and she was like, it's so good
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: in one r ball. Now, I don't think she knows that.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I bet she's not watching right now, but I'm going
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: to tell her. We're all going to We're all gonna message.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, yo, it has amazing review.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: So I got it because right behind us and down
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit there's horses and stuff needed to get
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: rid of the flies.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: If Jenna's still on, she could tell you could smell death.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: I mean double h came out and He's like, that
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: has got to go. Fortun smelled that smelling. I am
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: very thankful for. Once you smell it, you will never
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: forget it. That's what I've heard. That's what i've heard.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: So I'm pretty sure I haven't smelled it before. So
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: I do not know what the word is. Dip tick
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: If you earn it, didn't that happened? Did you mean
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: to put that in this read? Chatting with somebody on
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: the side. Oh boy, okay, well so I guess there's that.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm going to just say yeah, here on
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: out producer terror.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I review some cases before. I just say, yes,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: are you sure? Because it was so much fun?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: It was, and you decided to be Karen, and so
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I could not have read.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to change your reputation.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I could not have read because I love to read
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: and I visualize things. When I read through it, I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: was visualizing it. And that's why when you put up
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: the picture of her in the casket, I just.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, I bet it's differently, right now? What do you
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: guys think? Oh? Yeah, let's see it hit differently? Are
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: those little hands there? I don't know the context of
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: this photo.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: When I found you notice that she said she also
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: like holding hands with them in sixty nine with.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Them, Yes, yes, I do remember before all of our
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: are viewers leave us.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm just tell y'all, i'ven sure how I can
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: express my closing thoughts because guys, I find this very uncomfortable.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe drinking not.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: It's disturbing, okay, And I need to know what studies
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: are being done. Like we know that killers, I forget
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: what it's called.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: They wet the bed, they set fires, they do something.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Do we have anything like that for necrophilia?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Are there any early warning signs that parents and teachers
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: should look for, because I think we need to get
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: them into therapy very soon if their's tendencies.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's very interesting.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: And the other thing that I find disturbing is that
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Karen justifies her actions. And it bothers me that she
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: was allowed to change her name. She could be working
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: as a mortician somewhere under her new name, because if
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: you change your name, your background doesn't go with you.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: For all we know, she's working in a cemetery in
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: a mortician.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Who wants to put money on that's what she's been doing.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I will and I'm also going to say, it freaks
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: me out that she did this in a profession. That
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: these people are supposed to help families in their most
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: difficult times. You know, they're supposed to be comforting you.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: You hug them and say thank you, and they've maybe
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: just done Grandpa in the back.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: I I think that.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I think if you're a mortician, a medical examiner or
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: somebody and you do that, there should be additional charges.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Or for like using your role to do such a thing.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I agree. Actually I had never thought about that, but
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I agree. Really don't like police officers get our doctors
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: get you know, due to their career and role in prestige.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Then you know, yeah, yeah, And I'm going to say
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I am not kink shaming.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to sniff people's feet, lick
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: their feet, that's one thing. Having sexual contact relations or
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: anything with the dead person is not a kink.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: It's fantasized, but it you can meet your one acceptable
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: fantasize fantasize.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Just keep it to yourself, Just keep it to yourself,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: don't tell your partner. I also think we should give
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: psychological exams they're supposed to for police officers. I think
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: we should also do medical examiners and morticians and the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: embombers to see if they have those tendencies.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: M anybody going to say yes, but you would ask
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: them like do a light attack.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: We need to make sure.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: This is another reason I'm very glad I'm being cremated.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I just hope they don't do that to me before
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I get cremated, because I am going on the record
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: now I do not give consent for someone to have
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: sex with me when I'm dead, not even my husband.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Oh oh do they change now?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: He can hear me, and I'm sure he's in his
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: office going, what is wrong with this woman?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: So what are you? What are your thoughts today?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, Simone, I don't think I could be that desperate either.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I also don't want to bash people for having a
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: mental illness. And if it is truly considered a mental illness,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: you still have the responsibility to do the right thing.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: That's true, get therapy, get medication.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Right, Like, there is like this clear stigma everybody has
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: about the finding is morally irrehensible, right, But we don't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: want the stigma to get too bad because then people
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: won't admit to it and get the help they need
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: to behave better. It's a very complicated I mean, there's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: it is, there's other sexual things that are also, There's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: there's it's a whole thing. I'm just saying. Is it gross, yes,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: is irrehensible? Yes, But you know, we need people to
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: feel because I remember, if I recall Jeffrey Dahmer specifically,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: he was like he had these tendencies for a very
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: long time. The first guy he killed here in Ohio,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: it was over his body, you know, like that's what
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: drew him in and he didn't know how to talk
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: about How do how would you go to any profession?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: I mean you have to think about it. Right. Even now,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: people who are suicidal, who have ideations are uncomfortable with
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: telling their therapists because of the consequences of them getting,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: you know, locked up for it. You know, So in
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: some way we need to create a safe space for
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: people to be able to talk about this and do
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: something about it. But at the same time, this is
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: weird af Okay.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: It is, I bet because now you can do like
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: therapy online and you can do it on a phone
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: with or without video, so they can't see you. If
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: you have this thoughts, try that way. Try to do therapy.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Are we getting notes? No, I'm getting notes, Thank you, Amy.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: I mean Amy's sending me notes. You're got your gut.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I kind of like, what are we doing? Is she
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: is she trying to give us a clue that she
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: has She's like rot, No, she's not. I thought she was.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I thought she was telling that she was having these
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: thoughts and she was asking for help.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer really did talk about this publicly, like in
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: interviews and stuff like this, you know, because I do
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: think that if Jeffrey, if it had been fifteen twenty
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: years later, may not have had the same story that
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: he had to be quite frank, maybe not. We know
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: it could be wrong, but you know he was pretty open,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: uh about that about that sort of stuff. But also like,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: how do you tell a therapist like yeah, the visceral?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: You know. Anyway, So my closing thoughts, oh boy, do
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts? Well, questions? Really is
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: really I have so many questions. So if you are
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: a necrophile, I will anonymously talk with you about it
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: because I have a lot of questions because I am curious.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: I am too, you know, because she pretty much applied
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: that there was a whole necrophile scene in the seventies
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: and eighties. Okay, she very much. We all heard the interview.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: I said those words, and she said it was pretty prominent,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: and that was before the Internet. Like, I can only
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: imagine how that particular community has grown since then, now
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: that you can communicate with people around the world and
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: you can converse with people who have these urges and tendencies, Like,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: do you.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Think that there's an underworld society like there is for
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: like petties and stuff?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you think there's like a necrophilia cone
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: or something? Maybe maybe I don't think we should throw
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: though I'm going to say no, I know we should
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: put necrophiles in with pedos.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Those are very no But I'm just I shouldn't say,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: but do you think there's that kind of underground because
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: it is so taboo?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: I think so with the Internet there's there's I mean.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Just scatting is very taboo, and I know there's an
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: underground scatting world.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: You know, how how rampant is necrophilia. I mean, if
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: she's talking in the seventies and eighties so casually that
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: she's even had these conversations with boyfriends, co workers. This
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: was in the seventies and eighties, I think imaginably. Yes,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: I agree, I think so. So how RAMPA is necrophilia?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: I would like to know. I know there are also
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: legal and moral debates around the subject, which I do
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: find to be very interesting as well, because when I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: was researching laws in various states, you know, particularly like
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: does personhood exist after someone has died? You know, does it?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I mean to some people yes, maybe religious people yes,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: maybe the non religious people know it's it's a great area, right.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: And then the standard criminal sexual conduct laws typically require
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: a live person to be a victim, and a dead
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: body cannot consent or suffers. So when they give you
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: GHB are a person they're dead, do they even qualify
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: as a person in the first place? They're dead? That,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: you know, it's very interesting to debate side. Now I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: find this morally irrehensible, I do, but do find the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: the debates, the legal debates, the philosophical debates about this
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: very interesting. Brought up a lot of things that you
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: know at first are republishing is mood, but then when
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: you read, you're like, oh, that is that is interesting.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: I'm also a philosophy nerd. So there's that.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Now you've got my brain going because that goes along
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: the same lines. It's like termination of pregnancies.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Are they right? Oh my goodness, thank you all freaking night.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, as much as I would like to take
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: all of everything we discussed tonight and throw it in
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: my brain's recycling, then I know I'm going to be
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: thinking about this for weeks to come. If I mean,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: who am I kidding? It's never going to go away.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: I think once we've learned this, it's not going it's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: not going out of there. So why do we change course? Okay,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: let's just change course and get to everybody left?
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Probably, why don't you tell everyone where they can watch
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: you every Monday through Friday.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Sure, where I don't talk about necrophilia. So yeah, you
• 1:12:15
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• 1:12:19
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• 1:12:22
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• 1:12:26
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• 1:12:28
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• 1:12:33
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• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: watched a lot of trials, and I have never seen
• 1:12:41
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• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: unbelievable trials I have ever ever witnessed, Like it's every day.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: I am just sitting there like, why are we even here?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: This is wild. I also just started Couch Court with
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Lama uh after dark where who miss who came late?
• 1:13:08
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• 1:13:12
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• 1:13:14
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• 1:13:19
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• 1:13:24
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• 1:13:27
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• 1:13:34
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• 1:13:37
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• 1:13:46
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• 1:13:49
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• 1:13:58
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• 1:14:03
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• 1:14:07
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• 1:14:07
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• 1:14:11
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• 1:14:16
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• 1:14:20
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• 1:14:23
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• 1:14:31
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• 1:14:34
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• 1:14:43
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• 1:14:46
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• 1:14:49
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• 1:15:03
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• 1:15:08
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• 1:15:11
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• 1:15:52
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• 1:15:54
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• 1:16:00
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