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Mrs. Doubtfire · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Hello and welcome to the Arctic Costume Podcast.
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I'm Lisa Troy Glass. Hello, I'm Spencer Williams.
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That's actually pretty good, yeah.
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That's one of my only few talents.
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I I mean, you know what? Good for you that that's not
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exactly an easy impression to do.
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You know, Robin Williams was the king of voices.
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Oh my gosh, about voices he did in his film I forgot about.
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I mean, I knew he did voices but when I was re watching it I was
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like Oh my gosh, no wonder his like what was I gonna call her?
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Not his, I was guessing what's the name of the police officer
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that comes by your house? Parole officer.
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Not his parole officer, but you know the lady which she's
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annoyed with him and his voices. I'm like, I kind of get it.
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Read the social services liaison.
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Not his role officer. He was never convicted of any I
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know. That's what I felt like she was.
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Mean. Yeah, she was judgy.
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She was judgy. She was judgy.
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But then he did drop the pie in her coffee cup, which also would
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have put me over to edge. I don't.
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Think she was entirely mad about that though.
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That is true anyways anyway. Before we get into it, hello
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everybody. Obviously this week we watched
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Misses Doubtfire. Oh, what a throwback.
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I I am excited. I've.
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I haven't seen this in a long time.
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I mean so much so like, I mean, last time I saw this, my parents
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were together. So watching it this time around,
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I was like, so it's different. Bringing back some.
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Memories. Some feels, yeah.
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I don't think I've watched this since I was a child either, so
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it's perfect to start off a nostalgic hot girl summer, yeah.
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That's a good way to put it. Before we get started though, I
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did want to shout out an event that's coming up soon.
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I'd love to see you all at I am returning to San Diego Comic
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Con. I'm going to be moderating one,
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maybe 2, but I can't confirm the second one just yet, so just
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keep an eye out on our socials. But on July 23rd, I'll be
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returning with the Costume Designers Guild.
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It's a Thursday. We don't have the time and place
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yet because that's how Comic Con rolls.
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But it is on July 23rd, and it's gonna be called a web of design
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caught in the creation of Sony's Spider Noir universe.
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So I will be moderating with costume designer Tracy GG Field,
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who was just on the podcast, Daniel Solon, who you all know
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from Agatha all along, who's been on the podcast before,
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Madison Carroll, Julia Van Vleet, Mario Suss, Leo, Maggie S
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Chan, and a creator slash showrunner or an Uziel, which?
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Is a. Big deal.
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So come out and see me. I'm actually doing a I'm doing a
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autograph session this year. What?
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Yeah, I'll probably just look more like security that's just
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there at the end of the table, but that's.
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Actually kind of cool though you.
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Can get limited edition the art of costume podcast trading cards
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so. All right, Yeah.
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So come by. Yes, Everyone go visit Spencer.
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Yeah, that's so amazing. Oh my gosh, that's so cool.
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And then I might do another panel the very next day, but
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that is, TBDI will be at that panel.
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I just don't know if I'm moderating it yet, so I won't
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say anything more on that. Now let's get into our nostalgic
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hot girl summer. When when you mentioned let's do
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Misses Doubtfire, that started off.
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I was like, huh? And I was like, well.
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I'm sorry, misses Doubtfire is a hot girl.
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Miss Doubtfire The bus driver really was into Misses Doubtfire
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I. Forgot about the creepy bus
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driver. Oh, good fun.
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All right, well, should we start it off of a summary?
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Yeah, let's get into it, Sponsor.
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All right. Well, Misses Doubtfire was
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directed by the incomparable director Chris Columbus.
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You'll know him for his work on adventures in Babysitting, Home
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Alone One and Two and Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
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and Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, amongst the myriad
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of other things, but those are some of the big ones.
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Let's summarize Misses Doubtfire.
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After a messy divorce leaves him with only limited time with his
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kids, struggling actor Daniel Hillard does what any completely
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reasonable parent would do, create an elderly British nanny
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persona and apply for the job himself.
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As Unforgettable Misses Doubtfire, he somehow manages to
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fool almost everyone while juggling impossible costume
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changes, family chaos, and one very stressful dinner more
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stressful than the bird cage dinner.
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Yeah. It's a heartfelt reminder that
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sometimes love makes people do ridiculous things and that
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prosthetics can solve almost anything.
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Yeah, and. That is, misses Doubtfire.
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That is Misses Doubtfire. Let's meet our costume designer,
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Merritt Allen. You will know her work from
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Florence Nightingale, Little Shop of Horror, Mermaids, The
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Secret Garden which the witches which we did an episode for a
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year or two ago, Eyes Wide Shut, Hulk and Baroque Back Mountain.
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She received an Oscar nomination and BAFTA win for Levia and Rose
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You. Got to see that one still.
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Yeah, same. I when I was preparing in a
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hotel, I was like Mary Ellen, that sounds so familiar.
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And I was like the witches. The witches.
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That's a good one. The witches I I thought the
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same, but we are going to take a little breaky break and then
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jump in to Misses Doubtfire. I'm going to run to the fridge
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and just douse my face and pie. A little a little meringue, a
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little meringue facial. Yeah, but I would not do lemon
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meringue or Key Lime or anything.
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I'm not. I'm not into a citrusy pie.
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Actually, I enjoy a lemon meringue pie.
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I want pie now. Hello everybody, welcome back.
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We are getting into Misses Doubtfire, which is
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unfortunately from the dark ages of knowing anything about the
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films from the 90s. So we're just going to talk
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about what we love about this film 'cause there is like little
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to 0 information out there there's.
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Not a lot of info, but I mean, what else do you need to know?
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I mean, this is Elizabeth's coastal grandmother storyline
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that's just fully coming to full realization.
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This is Doubtfire and she has some fits and we'll get into
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them because she has one specific fit that I think is
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fire, but we'll get into all that.
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There's some good stuff, but let's start with the family.
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A very 90s family. A very. 90s family.
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Though Sally Field has one costume at the beginning,
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though, when she comes home to that very ghastly party, I would
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divorce this man after I came home to that party.
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She is totally in the right at that moment.
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So was so was the neighbor for ratting him out like.
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The horses. Like at first, because it had
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been forever since I seen this, I forgot that it started with
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them getting a divorce. Like I thought it was like him
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like already divorced to like trying to get more time with his
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kids. I forgot that they were married
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at the beginning of it. And when he was like, oh, we're
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going to have a party anyway. I thought they went to a petting
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zoo at 1st And I was just like, oh, that's that's nice.
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Like a little petting zoo adventure for your child's
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birthday. OK, then when I realized it was
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outside of their home, I was like, this man's in trouble.
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Yeah, this is insane. It's so funny how, like, things
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change as we get older 'cause when I watched this as a kid
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when they were like jumping on the table to jump around and
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then the songs just blaring, I was like, this looks like the
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best party ever. And I'm watching this at 31 and
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I was like clutching my pearls in my office being like home.
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My gosh, this man needs to be divorced, arrested.
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He. Needs therapy like like this is
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not appropriate. Like we're, we're the old people
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that would be calling the police.
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We are the old people. Who would be calling the police?
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I'd be like, everyone's wearing Plaid and the music's too loud.
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Even though it's a broad day, like, But anyways, Sally Field
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comes in looking like a serious boss lady, though she has like,
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the glasses, the dark suit, like giving 90s.
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Yeah, like, she hasn't totally left the 80s behind, but she
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still is giving like, that nine to five working boss girl 'cause
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clearly. I mean, she's not just the pants
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of the family. I mean, she's the pants, the
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shoes, the jacket, the tank top, the purse.
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You know, she's, she's everything because.
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This man just quits his job. He is just one of the kids and.
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Yeah. None of this is against Robin
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Williams. Robin Williams kills on this.
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He does. Such a good job.
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So good, but the character is so frustrating of her.
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Oh my gosh, when he First off, he's like in the recording
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studio and I was like, are you wearing pyjamas?
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Like I was like very confused by what he was wearing at 1st.
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And then like he quits right then and there, which I'm like,
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OK, I get it. Like we shouldn't be encouraging
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children to smoke. That's fair.
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But then I was like, no wonder the courts don't give you any
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time with your children if you're just quitting your job
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because you're like, Oh yes, my wife, My wife has a good paying
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job she can support. I.
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Was like, oh, Sir, you dropped the ball big time.
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The kids though, are adorable. Very.
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I mean as 90s that could be. We have Chris, Lydia and
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Natalie. Oh my gosh.
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Natalie Mara, played by Mara Wilson.
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Yeah. I mean, she's so cute.
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She's so. Tiny.
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Matilda, right? She plays Matilda.
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They're very adorable. So cute.
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I love Chris's like oversized, like striped Plaid.
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It looks so it's kind of grungy. It's very grungy, very 90s.
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It's like grungy and like adorable Misses Doubtfire Chris
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Columbus way bro. It's not like Kurt Cobain
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grungy. No, like grungy in a way they
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could get away with. Yeah, it just has to be
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appropriate for children. And it's like clearly he's a
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he's in all of these children are being taken WellCare of.
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Like the mom's not letting him run around in dirty clothing.
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Well she's clearly like having her husband like here's money
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take the kids to get like their back to school shopping.
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Absolutely. You know, but Chris might be
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getting some of his stuff at like a thrift store perhaps, Or
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he looks like he'd be wearing like his dad's old stuff.
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I could definitely see him being like, Dad, can I take this?
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And he didn't just mean like, yeah, sure, go for it.
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He probably wouldn't even notice the oldest daughter though.
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Lydia, though, I mean I. Loved her orgy.
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So like very proper the. Plaid.
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Vest. Yeah, the denim skirt.
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I'm just like, oh girl, you are ready for the 90s.
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She is ready to go to school and just be a precious little Angel.
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She really is and like the the youngest daughter in like the
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almost like tropical Prince. I'm like, you're really just
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having the most fun, but honestly, having the most fun
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does not work out for his, for their father.
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Well, I'm sorry, we just said if we walked home and that was the
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party our spouse was throwing, he needs to.
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Find a middle ground. You do need to find a middle
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ground, but like, I'm sorry, like barnyard animals in the
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front yard. Oh, I'm telling him he needs to
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find a middle ground. He needs to get closer to the
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wise perspective on this. I do agree that she needs to let
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the kids have like she could have said like, yeah, let's have
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a birthday party this weekend. Yeah, I but I do.
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I do. Think.
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I do think it was the barnyard animals that sat her over the
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edge, rightfully so. Of course, eating the cake in
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the doorway would have also like had me calling my lawyer.
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Yeah. I mean.
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Yeah, I yeah. But you know, he has a pretty
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amazing brother to help him out, Spencer.
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Harvey Fierstein is here. I love this man, mostly because
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Independence Day is one of my favorite movies.
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Independence Day, that's, that's where you know him from.
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He's in. An accomplished Broadway
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performer, yes, but Independence Day?
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That is where he shines. Yeah, I was gonna say he's an
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incredible actor. With.
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Many accomplishments, but I also I did my yearly Independence Day
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viewing over 4th of July weekend so it was like fresh.
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It was fresh. OK, that's fair.
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I mean, he's good and I'm not going to doubt that.
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He is good and him and his boyfriend just like I.
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I feel like they're very like casual casually artsy.
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Yeah, it's casually artsy. The boyfriend may be a little
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bit more so. Definitely like San Francisco
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90s though. Oh yes, I like 'cause I love his
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black vest with the white button down shirt.
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You don't notice it at first, but he has, I don't know if it's
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just like painted on our embroidery, just like little
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like pieces of artwork like on his on his sleeves.
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It's a artsy. Family between these two
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brothers, yeah, something about the 90s and vests, like vests
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feel very 90s. They're so 90s.
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Can we bring them back? I miss a vet.
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No, no, OK. Well, Sir.
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I miss a vest like a casual vest.
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Yeah, OK. Like over over like that.
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This this is a look. It's a look.
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It's not a, it's not a look. You want to adopt Spencer?
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I'm OK, but you can probably pull it off.
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It works for the character though.
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It does. These two are so much fun though
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I would want to spend time at his is the uncle Frank is.
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I feel like that's why I want to say in my head, yeah Uncle
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Frank, I would want to spend time at Uncle Franks house,
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especially when we have this Mrs. Doubtfire montage of all
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the looks. How can you not live at Uncle
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Franks house? And like they're singing,
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they're having fun. I I love like the blonde.
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The Barbra Streisand impersonation is so uncalled for
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her. Why did Barbra Streisand have to
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catch that stray in the middle of this movie?
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You know, she was in the theaters watching it, and then
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he turned around and did that. Bitch.
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She probably was like. Like, excuse me, Sir.
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Like the nose prosthetic and everything.
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It's wild. I'm so glad though that they
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narrowed it down though because the one like black Bob wig with
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the red nail. That was insane.
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Scary. That was literally insane.
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And then like the Fiddler on the Roof, like grandma.
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That one, that one actually could have worked, but I think
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they would have known that it was their dad a little bit.
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Yeah, it looked way too much much like him.
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It's good. Though but they go British,
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they. And the right choice.
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Works I love like the most British grandma look like the.
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I'm pretty sure that's a tweed skirt.
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With the cozy. Card yeah, the Peter Pan collar,
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the cozy cardigan. I love the oversized 80 glass
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80s glasses like so. Cute, I'm one thing I was
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thinking about too. Watching this was like, I kept
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looking at the like exterior scenes and I was like, it kind
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of feels like fall, winter, I think because everyone's kind of
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wearing like sweaters and stuff. I'm like, they had to because
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Misses Doubtfire had to be covered up.
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Misses Doubtfire is so lucky they got divorced during the
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winter and out of the. Summer.
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Yeah, she'd be in trouble. Well, actually we kind of see
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when we get to the pool later because that was hard.
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So this fall winter scene, you know, covered up in cardigans
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and as covered up as possible because there's a lot going on
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underneath. You know, I think this man will
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do anything for his children. I think so too.
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Which and. I'm like, I don't know, his wife
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got on my nerves a little bit or his ex-wife got on my nerves a
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little bit when he's like having his, his Saturday dinner with
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them and she's just like, I got to go.
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And I was like, yeah, I was like, ma'am.
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I just hate how she was like talking shit about her husband
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like openly from the kids. I was like.
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Boo. What also like threw me for a
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loop when she was like no we got to go and it's like if the finds
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out you're like not giving him his full time girl.
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That scene, yeah, that scene was pissing me.
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Off. I was like, you're in trouble
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too. Yeah, I was like, he they're
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eating, they're in the middle of a meal.
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Yeah, literally, literally in the middle of a meal.
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And she's just like, no, we gotta go honking the horn.
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I was like, I I'm glad I didn't grow up in a time where my
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parents were like honking the horn to Get Me Out of like.
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Oh yeah, that would. Someone's house, yeah.
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Sorry to everyone who had to go through that, but that's not for
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me. No, same.
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But I'm like, OK, no wonder he goes through all this work to
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create this persona. So good and.
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It's so good, especially like the wig, the way it's like she
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clearly gets perm, Yeah. I'm wondering where the Mary
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Allen got all these fabrics because it's just like they must
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have found that, like a vintage fabric store or something.
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Maybe, but it's the 90s. Yeah, yeah.
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I guess the vintage is new. That's.
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So true. Now what am I saying?
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The vintage is new. But like Misses Doubtfire has to
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look older than new, though that's a thing.
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Like this almost has to have. Like it almost feels like a
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sixties 70s print. Almost.
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I mean, they feel kind of 80s to me, like the 80s, what they were
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making for grandmas in the 80s. If they were doing that.
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I mean the grandmas always have to wear something.
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It's only recently that people care about grandmas having
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style. But I do love the scene where
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the social worker is over assessing his ability to be a
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parent. The divorce parole officer.
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Yeah, his divorce parole officer.
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I love the constant like back and forth, back and forth.
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Oh my gosh, running back and forth and undressing.
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I was like, there's my lifespan was shortening as I was watching
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this film. I know I was too stressed out.
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It was so stressful. If anyone like knows about
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behind the scenes of how they film that let me know there.
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Just had been a lot of cuts. I there had to have been, but it
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was like. It's too.
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Much it was so perfect. It like stressed me and then the
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the mask falling out the window, the lemon meringue face mask
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like I just would have been like.
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Danny's not home. I just would have, I mean, I
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know he would have got in trouble with his divorce parole
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officer, but I'm like, at what cost?
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Yeah, like, yeah. Yeah, get a new family.
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Although I will say his being like, oh, I just got out of the
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shower. I was like good call.
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Right. And then also Misses Doubtfire
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went to bed because she's an old lady.
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That's what I would. That's why I kept thinking, go
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to bed, Misses Doubtfire. And then Danny gets out of the
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bath. I guess the tea thing.
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But I'm like, why'd you offer? I don't know.
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Yeah, if I was him, I would have been like, oh, I'm sorry.
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She like, she's tired, she's got to go to bed.
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But misses Doubtfire pulls out many, many a look, many an
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English grandma look. I love her little like buttoned
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up shirts with like all the pleading and the brooches like I
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also love that like clearly him and his brother like created a
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whole wardrobe. I know.
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And his brother clearly had all this on him, you know?
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Did they go thrifting at one point though?
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Didn't. Show it.
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I I think I actually. I don't know, maybe.
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I think they went thrifting together and like.
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Yeah, I just remembered a makeup scene, but I kind of, no, you're
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right, because there's a moment where the the camera panned
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upwards and it was like a full body shot of misses Doubtfire.
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So maybe so. I think, yeah.
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But just like all the cardigans I love, like when she's doing
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the housework and she has her like little apron, her house
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apron. Yeah, Oh yeah, that's a good
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one. So British, by the way, too.
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The pinafore apron. Good for you, Uncle Frank, to do
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your homework. Know your costume history.
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And like the Plaid skirts, the Plaid skirts, the embroidered
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top. She's like Scottish, right?
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I mean. I think, 'cause when Pierce
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Brosnan's talking to her, she's like, oh, I grew up all over the
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place. So I think it's a very just like
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generic like English just. Making it up but the Scottish
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like print though, was just like a little like Easter egg to be
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like, yeah, she's from over there.
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Yeah, it was definitely a Plaid means that part of the world
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across the. Ocean I love the dancing scene
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with the apron. That's a good one.
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It's so funny. It's.
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Just Robin Williams having so much fun.
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So much fun when she lights her top on.
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Yeah, it's a good one. It's so good but I really love
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her Her floral two piece when they go to the pool.
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This is my favorite. It is so funny.
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It's ridiculous because I mean, I just don't know why Daniel
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went through with this. To go to the pool is so
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dangerous already. But then he picked like the
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most. I mean, it's kind of hot,
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obviously, like showing the legs.
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I was like, Misses Doubtfire we're really going for.
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It I mean, she does have some like serious hosiery on so yeah.
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That's not skin, flesh color. Yeah, so definitely covering up
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as much as possible, but I love how like this is Doubtfire's
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almost matching the mall, yeah. Yeah, Sally feels wearing
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basically the same print, just a little bit darker.
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Yeah, like matching the mall, the full floral.
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I'm like it feels, it feels very like Grandma Resort Y Yeah.
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And I love how Mrs. Townfire look feels like she's in charge
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though she feels like the matriarch of the family.
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She is the matriarch of that family.
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The entire family, though, that so many Mary Allen really played
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with so many different prints and fabrics like everyone has.
24:31
There's like a gingham, there's stripes, there's a knit sweater
24:34
and then we have you know, the I was going to say the moms, mom
24:38
and grandma Nana Nana has like the busiest Prince, like Mary
24:45
Ellen was not afraid to go with just throw everything at.
24:49
The film No she was not. I love on the on the oldest the
24:55
the straw hat. I was like, that's so 90s.
24:58
That's sweet. I like the sweater title around
25:01
the sweat. The sun's my gosh waist there.
25:05
You go. He's got his T-shirt, his
25:07
striped button down that's all open, and his sweatshirt.
25:10
Yeah, that's like that's come around.
25:14
Oh my gosh, Pierce Brosnan. What a dangerous weapon for them
25:18
to bring. My gosh, I love the contrast of
25:21
Pierce Brosnan and Robin Williams.
25:23
Honestly, I'd be tweaking out too if my wife came home with
25:26
Pierce Brosnan. How can you compete?
25:32
That's just, it's not even fair, no.
25:35
Although honestly I hope she does get with Pierce Brosnan I
25:38
feel like. At the end of it, the ending was
25:40
basically like, they didn't get back together, aren't they?
25:42
No. So which kind of made me like, I
25:45
was like, oh. I kind of liked it because it
25:48
was both of them kind of like being like, oh, I understand how
25:53
I need to like respect you. Just I remembered as a kid as
25:56
they, you know, they got, they saw Miss Doubtfire on TV and
25:59
they were so happy and they all got back together and they're
26:01
happy family. And I watched it the other day
26:03
and I was like, Oh no, that's not what.
26:05
Happened. No.
26:06
No. No, but Pierce Brosnan, like,
26:09
he's like the hot cool guy. And then when like he has that
26:13
moment at the bar where you think he's going to mess up and
26:15
be a a Dick, he's actually talking about how he likes the
26:18
kids. Yeah.
26:19
And you're like, Oh my gosh, He's actually like, yeah, he's
26:22
actually a good guy. Yeah.
26:23
What are we gonna do here? Because Daniel's still dressed
26:27
up as an old lady. Yes.
26:31
Which side are we on? I know I was on Pierce Brosnan's
26:34
side and even like Pierce Brosnan being like, oh, he's a
26:38
deadbeat. And I'm like, like, I would not
26:41
classify him as a deadbeat dad. But from the outside looking in,
26:45
a very easy assumption to make with the.
26:47
Information he has, it's fair, yeah.
26:50
You know, so fair. He's a guy who does voices and
26:54
have throws wild parties with Barnier.
26:56
Daniel and like can't keep a job.
26:59
Yeah. So it's, it's he Daniel really
27:02
has a rough go at it. And he does.
27:04
It's the facts are against him. Until his very stressful dinner.
27:09
I hated the dinner scene. I hated it so much because we
27:13
already went through the pie scene where them with Dan going
27:18
back and forth for Danny. The dinner scene, I won't lie to
27:22
you, halfway through I fast forwarded because I was getting
27:25
stressed. I fast forwarded to the point
27:28
part where Pierce Brosnan was choking because I was like I I
27:31
couldn't take it. I couldn't take running back and
27:34
forth to the bathroom. I've been watching horror movies
27:36
lately that haven't stressed me out.
27:39
With this scene, I was just like I, I was crawling out of my
27:43
skin. I just was like, this is such a
27:46
bad idea. It's.
27:48
So bad. And it's like, it's so funny,
27:51
'cause like Mrs. Doubtfire is clearly like a little unhinged.
27:55
And they do all recognize that. Yeah.
27:57
But then they're like, she's like, particularly unhinged,
28:00
right? Yeah, like Danny, you need to
28:03
get this job. Mrs. Doubtfire needs to be sick
28:06
on this night and not go. Yeah, I'm sorry that your
28:09
ex-wife is gonna be bummed out that the old lady can't go to
28:11
dinner. Yeah, these are the sacrifices
28:13
we have to make every once in a while.
28:16
I know that's not how movie making goes, but.
28:18
Please. Yeah.
28:20
I felt my blood pressure rising in my office.
28:23
I literally was like, I have to Fast forward, I can't do this
28:26
anymore. I appreciate that it worked out
28:29
for him in the end, like he does get the Mrs. Outfire.
28:33
Yeah. Show.
28:34
I was shocked because I skipped through most of it and I was
28:37
like, oh, it did work out good for him.
28:39
And he saves Pierce Brosnan. I love their like, handshake at
28:43
the end or Pierce Brosnan. Like, yeah, you did save my
28:47
life. You are.
28:49
Dressed up as an old lady like your wife's alluded to that
28:52
there's somethings wrong with you but I'm alive so.
28:55
So thank you very much. I'm going to walk away now, but
29:01
I do love when they first see Missus Doubtfire on TV.
29:04
Oh yeah, that, that was sweet. Yeah, her Peter Pan collar the
29:08
the pattern mixing. Yeah, of course.
29:11
The Cardigan. Very much reminds me of how we
29:14
just talked about the bird cage too.
29:16
And it was like, you know, like the senator becoming in love
29:20
with, you know, Oh my gosh, or a drag queen thing.
29:26
And that same. It's like you're like, Oh my
29:27
gosh, like Danny's going to mess this up.
29:29
Next thing there gets like ATV show out of it.
29:31
Like you always think like the most like this isn't going to
29:34
work. It's not working out so well.
29:38
But the one thing that really makes Misses Doubtfire work on
29:45
top of the incredible costumes is the makeup for Misses
29:54
Doubtfire created by Greg Canham V Neil and Yolanda Housing, who
30:02
they won the Academy Award that year.
30:04
It did, yeah. I mean, how could you not?
30:06
They this is what makeup and film is all about.
30:10
Yeah. You know.
30:12
Yeah, like seeing the masks, the different, like the different
30:16
parts of it. Yeah.
30:18
Like and like it took them hours to apply it.
30:23
Yeah, I mean every single day. So many prosthetics, Robin
30:27
Williams said. Like on a good day it was 3 1/2
30:29
hours and on a bad day is like 4 1/2.
30:34
We actually have a video that Elizabeth and I were just
30:37
watching, so I think we'll just include it.
30:39
So you could all kind of see a little bit of the process.
30:41
And you get to hear from legendary actor whom we miss so
30:45
much, Robin Williams talking about was like to sit in the
30:48
chair with V Neil playing makeup.
30:50
I'm a huge V Neil fan. I mean.
30:52
She. Is one of the baddest to ever do
30:55
it. I mean Beetlejuice, Sweeney
30:58
Todd, Galaxy Quest, basically almost every movie ever created
31:03
that includes some sort of good ass makeup.
31:09
He did the prosthetics for Brand Snooker's Dracula.
31:14
Like two people with like insane these are.
31:19
The makeup icons coming together.
31:21
To create the. World's everyone's favorite
31:23
grandma. So funny.
31:26
So like, we need the best of the best to come to the table
31:29
because we have to turn Robin Williams into an old lady every
31:33
day. Every day.
31:35
GAT V Neil and Greg Cannon and Yolanda on the phone stat.
31:39
Stat. So enjoy this video of Robin
31:43
Williams. The makeup, I think on a good
31:46
day, would take 3 hours, 3 1/2. Bad day, 4 hours, 4 1/2 V Neil,
31:53
who had done makeups before, like long makeups on different
31:55
people. Yeah, I guess with Danny DeVito
31:58
on Batman. So I think where she started
32:00
this and maybe with Jack on the first Batman.
32:03
Jack Nicholson. Sorry, we're dropping names
32:06
here. Let me pick him up.
32:07
OK, sweetheart. She came up with the idea that
32:11
since you have to face the mirror and since I couldn't just
32:13
fall asleep because I had to keep my face moving all the
32:15
time, they have to test it and make sure that you go through a
32:18
full range of motion. She would put ATV up here with a
32:23
videotape player so you could see it in the mirror.
32:26
Bad for subtitle movies, but great to watch films while
32:31
you're in makeup. Our hair stylist Yolanda Tousing
32:36
prepares Robin for makeup by slicking down his hair, putting
32:40
in Bobby pins and then applying what we call a wig cap.
32:43
And this will keep his hair really flat so it doesn't
32:45
interfere with the application of the appliances.
32:48
Greg Cannon designed the makeup. And Greg did several different
32:52
sculptures on Robin's face. And we actually had a picture of
32:56
a woman who resembles Misses Doubtfire quite a bit.
32:59
And it was a black and white picture taken in the 40s.
33:01
And Greg sort of fashioned this makeup after this picture of
33:04
this woman that we had. Robin's makeup is comprised of
33:08
eight overlapping foam latex appliances, all made fresh
33:12
weekly so that we don't have a problem with shrinkage.
33:15
And they fit together kind of like a jigsaw puzzle.
33:19
When we first started doing Robin's makeup, it was upwards
33:22
of around 4 hours. We knew we had to get it down
33:24
from there because they wanted to be able to shoot with him for
33:26
at least 10 hours a day. So if it took us 4 hours to get
33:30
him ready and an hour to get him out at night, that was going to
33:33
make for a very long day for Robin.
33:34
So the more we did it, the faster we got.
33:37
By the end of the film, it took me about 3 hours.
33:43
Yolanda here is doing what we call iron curling, and this
33:46
makes the hair have a much more lifelike quality.
33:53
At this point, I'm gluing down his eyebrows and applying the
33:55
forehead piece. This overlaps onto his temples
33:59
and back into the hairline so that the wig appears to be
34:01
growing right out of his head. This is the lower lip piece.
34:10
As you can see, it does fit right into that chin piece and
34:13
overlap into that area. So it was very important that
34:16
these pieces had not shrunk. At this point, the product I'm
34:22
putting on his face now is what we call PAX Paint, sort of a
34:25
cosmetic paint that we use on top of rubber and we dry that
34:29
and on top of that we can put any product we like.
34:32
At this point, I'm going in with a colored PAX paint on top of
34:37
the packs. I then go in with rubber mask
34:39
grease paint, which I'm stippling on now, and that is
34:42
also done in several layers. I'll do a flesh tone, then I'll
34:45
go in with the pink tone and then stipple A flesh tone back
34:48
on top of it. We sort of softened out the
34:51
front of his face so it looked really like Peaches and cream.
34:54
And then I left in the splotchiness around the cheeks,
34:56
in the neck like an old lady would have.
35:01
The eyebrows are then applied a little mascara and he did wear a
35:06
little bit of eyeshadow as well. Now Yolanda is placing the wig
35:09
on and there he is. Spencer.
35:22
It was so lovely to watch. It was, it was.
35:24
And that brings us to the end of Mrs. Doubtfire.
35:28
It's. Fun.
35:29
What's your stitch rating? That's hard.
35:34
It's such a classic, so it's hard.
35:38
I'm trying to put aside the fact that I was stressed out through
35:41
most of this movie. I was like, I need a cigarette
35:44
like halfway through. I see you just on your your
35:51
friends do so I'm gonna be like. Spencer I watched Misses
35:55
Doubtfire. I get it.
35:57
I get it. I think it's a solid like 4
36:00
stitches for me, like it's a classic.
36:03
It's heart warming. It is.
36:09
I mean, it's Robin Williams had his best.
36:12
Yeah. The makeup's incredible.
36:14
The costumes are fun. You know, there's it's not like
36:17
they're anything incredible. They just like they are they're
36:21
they're believable. They're you see misses
36:24
doubtfire, you're like, Yep, that's her.
36:27
So I thought it was a great film.
36:28
So I'm going to give it a four because it's not my favorite
36:31
film, but I respect it and it's great and it's touching and it
36:35
made me cry, terrified, happy, sad laugh.
36:40
So all things so solid, forced. It's rating for me.
36:44
I think I'm going to go with a four and a half, 4 1/2 because
36:48
everything's incredible. It's a little long.
36:52
I don't know if that's my 21st century TikTok brain, but
36:59
especially at the beginning I was like, OK, we get it.
37:01
This man, this man needs to get it together.
37:06
The beginning was a little bit of a bummer.
37:07
Yeah, yeah. I was like, I think we can shave
37:11
like 15 to 20 minutes off of it. When I saw it was like a 2 hour
37:16
movie. I was like, oh so yeah, 4 1/2
37:21
everyone showed up with with their A game.
37:25
This I, like, I was surprised that it won Oscars because,
37:29
like, this is not the kind of film you would immediately be
37:33
like, Oh yeah, they, they were nominated for Academy Awards.
37:36
Yeah, I I had a feeling that makeup won.
37:40
Yeah, it'd be kind of hard not to.
37:43
Yeah, just looking. I was like, I bet you this is
37:45
like an early makeup win. Yeah.
37:48
And sure enough, it was. But I think one thing that we
37:51
could definitely talk about is our one costume rule them all.
37:54
And we all know that this has big consequences now, now that
37:57
we have our annual tournament. So we may or may not see a
38:00
misses Doubtfire in the tournament next year.
38:03
So all let's let's hit it. The one costume to rule them
38:11
all. Spencer, what was your one
38:16
costume to rule them all? It has to be Misses Doubtfire's
38:20
pool look, because I just thought it was so risque, so
38:23
scandalous. She's wearing red and pink.
38:26
She looks like she's possibly going to Miami.
38:30
Oh, a little bit, yeah. Yeah, it just felt like Misses
38:33
Doubtfire was feeling herself. It's almost like she knew that
38:36
her, her ex, her ex-wife. So I guess they're not divorced
38:41
yet. Or maybe they are.
38:42
I think they are his exes. Hot boyfriend's going to be
38:47
there. So Misses Doubtfire felt like
38:48
she had to dress a little. Scandal.
38:50
I think so. I think so.
38:52
She's kind of like some backwards thinking.
38:57
I guess. Danny felt like he had to give
38:59
it his best shot. I don't know, it's weird and I
39:02
love it for that. I just think it's misses
39:04
Doubtfire, just a little unhinged at this moment and it's
39:08
just too much fun. Who would think that showing,
39:12
showing the legs like that would just really get me going?
39:15
Yeah, Well, what about you? MY1 costume to rule them all is
39:19
her interview look because I think it it really sets the tone
39:26
like of just like cuddly. I can do whatever you need
39:31
darling. Like persona of Misses
39:35
Doubtfire. And it works like Sally feels
39:38
instantly like, oh, I could trust this lady like that
39:42
costume had to be comforting and she sees like the light like
39:47
lilac sweater and the print and I'm like, oh, that reminds me of
39:51
like my grandmother type of thing.
39:53
So Sally feel just falls for. It just so cozy and like she
39:58
looks like a big grandma hug. Yeah, you can almost like smell.
40:03
This is doubtfire. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:06
You can smell the baby powder. But Spencer, that brings us to
40:13
the end. This is Doubtfire.
40:15
That was fun. That was a good one.
40:16
I'm glad we I haven't seen that one in a long time.
40:19
So a. Long, long time.
40:20
It's a good revisit, that one. Let's know what you thought
40:23
Misses Doubtfire. Were you as dressed as I was?
40:27
Maybe it's just me. I don't know.
40:28
Maybe I just need to take a vacation soon. e-mail us at
40:32
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40:35
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40:50
We are currently recording in the morning because we know if
40:53
we make this go any longer we're going to be sweating on camera.
40:56
So with that. Oh also, go listen to Costume
41:01
House. It's TV season.
41:02
We have a lot of good episodes coming out right now.
41:06
We had quite a few recently with like Tracy Fields, John Glazer
41:11
from Bridgerton, Lucinda right from The Witcher, and I could
41:16
say that we have a bunch more coming through that were sent to
41:19
my inbox just the other day. Now the Emmy nominations have
41:22
been announced, so look out for that.
41:24
Elizabeth, what are we watching in our next episode?
41:28
Spencer, we are watching a throwback.
41:31
We are watching something that was a lot more nostalgic than I
41:34
anticipated it being. We are watching 13 going on 30.
41:41
This one. This one's fun.
41:44
This. Stressed me out.
41:46
This one stressed me out a lot. So everyone, put on your
41:54
comfiest pajamas, get some besties, have a sleepover and
41:58
watch 13 going on 30 for next week.
42:03
Everyone enjoy. Get some razzles razzies.
42:07
Oh, get some razzles, yeah. I think they're razzles.
42:09
Get some razzles. Sour razzles.
42:11
Those hit. I've actually never had razzles.
42:13
Oh, they're great, are they? But I like 10 of stuff like 10
42:16
in my mouth at the same time. Anyways, get go and look for
42:20
Razzles for our next episode. See you all soon.