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The Kenny Report | 23 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of truth bombs, the first about how Labour's
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  Speaker 2: renewable energy push won't actually deliver cheaper power, the other
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  Speaker 2: about how the Tials get much of their funding and
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  Speaker 2: political strategy from the son of a billionaire who is
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  Speaker 2: a renewable energy investor and climate activist. In the United States,
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  Speaker 2: with early voting already underway, President Joe Biden rambles on
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  Speaker 2: about locking up Donald Trump. Well, Kamela Harris, well, she
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  Speaker 2: just rambles all that, and an international warning about Australia's
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  Speaker 2: high inflation. Plus Pauling Hanson joins me and the Wednesday wrangle.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. The renewable energy ruse.
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  Speaker 2: Has been exposed today for all to see. The absolute
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  Speaker 2: buncom you've been fed for years by Labor and by
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  Speaker 2: the Greens, and by the Tills and by most of
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  Speaker 2: the media, of course, has been exposed.
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  Speaker 1: Your power prices.
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  Speaker 2: Will not be going down, and there's nothing about the
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  Speaker 2: government's plans, models and.
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  Speaker 1: Policies that says they will.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've been banging on about this for years. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: the spin and the lies have been planed to see
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  Speaker 2: for anyone prepared to look at the practical realities at
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  Speaker 2: the science. You might say, but under questioning today, even
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  Speaker 2: the government's own energy market operator couldn't deny the unpalatable truth.
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  Speaker 3: Will Australians see a reduction in power prices anytime soon?
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  Speaker 4: We don't model power prices and so I couldn't answer that.
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  Speaker 2: He couldn't answer that. Wow, that's the first bit. That's
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  Speaker 2: bad enough. The organization in charge of the electricity market
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  Speaker 2: can't even say where the prices are going to go down.
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  Speaker 2: Remember this is the same body the government constantly defers
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  Speaker 2: to when it comes to the relative cost of renewables
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  Speaker 2: or gas or even nuclear energy. But this body admits
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't even calculate the end cost to you, the
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  Speaker 2: price you pay for your electricity. And it gets even worse.
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  Speaker 3: Listen to this, But you're saying you cannot guarantee that
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  Speaker 3: the current government policy settings which you model will deliver
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  Speaker 3: lower power prices.
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  Speaker 5: I can't guarantee that.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 2: What an admission, and well done to Matt Canavan there
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  Speaker 2: with the questioning. As I've been pointing out on this
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  Speaker 2: program for years, talking to expert after expert, the rush
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  Speaker 2: to build wind turbines and solar factories and thousands of
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  Speaker 2: kilometers of transmission lines and install batteries and build phantasmagorical
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  Speaker 2: pumped hydro dams.
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  Speaker 1: All this comes at.
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  Speaker 2: An enormous cost, and you end up with electricity that
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  Speaker 2: is expensive.
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  Speaker 1: And unrel liable.
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  Speaker 2: And now the body in charge of implementing the government's
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  Speaker 2: renewables transition pipe Dream, admits it doesn't even calculate the
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  Speaker 2: cost to consumers, and it can't guarantee that costs will
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  Speaker 2: go down.
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  Speaker 1: But the government told us.
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  Speaker 7: This reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 8: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 8: a year.
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  Speaker 1: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year will.
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  Speaker 8: Get power prices down by two hundred and seventy five
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  Speaker 8: dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: Look, some people might have believed them and voted for
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  Speaker 2: them on the basis of that nonsense. And everyone knows
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  Speaker 2: it's nonsense now because prices, instead of going down by
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five dollars a year, have gone
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  Speaker 2: up by about five hundred dollars. Yet the political deception
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  Speaker 2: continues because the government keeps telling us this.
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  Speaker 7: Australians know that the cheapest form of energy is renewables.
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  Speaker 9: Renewables are the cheap form of energy.
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  Speaker 10: We know that the cheapest form of new energy is renewable.
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  Speaker 9: In renewable energy, which we know is.
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  Speaker 7: The cheapest form of energy, The cheapest form.
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  Speaker 9: Of energy is renewable energy.
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  Speaker 10: That renewables are the cheapest form of new energy.
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  Speaker 2: Just rot, just delusion, just spin. Most of the figure's
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  Speaker 2: labor points to our dodgy. They either failed to look
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  Speaker 2: at nuclear, or they failed to consider what exploiting more
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  Speaker 2: gas would do to costs, or they failed to consider
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  Speaker 2: the massive cost of transmission and batteries to support renewables.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, the sort of system they base their claims
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  Speaker 2: on has never been built anywhere in the world. It's
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  Speaker 2: a massive, world first electricity grid experiment, carried out at
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  Speaker 2: your expense and at our risk. And so we end
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  Speaker 2: up with this sheepish.
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  Speaker 3: But you're saying you cannot guarantee that the current government
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  Speaker 3: policy settings which you model will deliver lower power prices.
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  Speaker 5: I can't guarantee that.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Instead of guaranteeing lower prices, the market operator only
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  Speaker 2: claims that its renewable plan is the cheapest way to
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  Speaker 2: get to the government's emissions reductions targets under its time
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  Speaker 2: frame and within the rules given to it by the government.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, the fix is in the government's chosen
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  Speaker 2: the broad model, and the market operator only estimates the
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  Speaker 2: cost of delivering that model. Clearly, there are cheaper and
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  Speaker 2: more reliable ways to power this nation while also dramatically
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  Speaker 2: reducing emissions, such as models that include nuclear energy or
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  Speaker 2: more gas. Just ask Finland, or France, or South Korea,
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  Speaker 2: or ask Microsoft, Google, Amazon, or Oracle in the US.
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  Speaker 2: But the government doesn't want anyone to consider any alternatives.
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  Speaker 2: Labor and their friends, the Greens and the Tills are
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  Speaker 2: happy for you to wear the cost of their renewables experiment. Now,
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  Speaker 2: while we're on truth bombs, there's been another revelation involving
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  Speaker 2: the Teals today. As I've been saying here since before
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  Speaker 2: the last election, the Tills are a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: com They pretend to be independents, but they tend to
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  Speaker 2: act in unison like a political party, and they all
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  Speaker 2: take money, support and strategic advice from the renewable energy
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  Speaker 2: advocacy group Climate two hundred. It's the brainchild of Simon
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  Speaker 2: Holmes a Court, son of the late Robert Holmes a Court,
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  Speaker 2: Australia's first billionaire of Bell Resources fame. Simon inherited a
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  Speaker 2: fortune and has spent large amounts of it investing in
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  Speaker 2: renewable energy and in his political action divism. Anyway, it
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  Speaker 2: turns out that the Tills are a little shy about
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  Speaker 2: the support and advice they get.
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  Speaker 1: From Climbate two hundred and homes a Court you see.
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  Speaker 2: It turns out that when the Financial Review was putting
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  Speaker 2: together its annual power magazine this year, where it put
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  Speaker 2: Simon Holmes A Court at number seven in the nation's
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  Speaker 2: covert power list, well, it turns out some of the
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  Speaker 2: Tills didn't like that. Apparently, some Tials lobbied the Financial
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  Speaker 2: Review to get homes a Court off the list.
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  Speaker 1: It seems they wanted his covert power kept well covert.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, there are reports that Zoe Daniel, the Till member
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  Speaker 2: for Goldstein, has been referred to the National Anti Corruption
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  Speaker 2: Commission for allegedly using taxpayer funded resources to lobby on
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  Speaker 2: behalf of Homes of Court, a political donor. Fascinating stuff
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  Speaker 2: and at the National Press Club today, fellow till Allegra
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  Speaker 2: Spender admitted that she too had lobbied the Financial Review.
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  Speaker 11: There was an article in the Financial Review recently saying
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  Speaker 11: that you asked the Financial Review to remove a reference
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  Speaker 11: to Simon Holmes a Court.
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  Speaker 1: From the power breaker list. Is that true?
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  Speaker 12: Did you think that Simon Holmes the Court didn't deserve
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  Speaker 12: to be on that power list?
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  Speaker 13: I did, And the reason why, I say the reason why? Sorry,
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  Speaker 13: let me rephrase that. I said I had heard that
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  Speaker 13: Simon Holmes a Court was on the covert power list.
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  Speaker 13: And I have a problem, you know, with this sort
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  Speaker 13: of idea that you know, women like myself, you know,
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  Speaker 13: get here and you know there's someone covertly hiding behind us,
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  Speaker 13: pulling all the strings.
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  Speaker 1: Really, what about transparency?
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  Speaker 2: Spender didn't want people to know about homes of Court's
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  Speaker 2: covert power because it would look like she wasn't her
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  Speaker 2: own independent person. She even went on to say it
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  Speaker 2: would be insulting to all women. But what about a
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  Speaker 2: media organization being able to make its own assessments about
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  Speaker 2: who has power and who doesn't. You've got to think
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  Speaker 2: the attempted interventions by the till MPs only confirmed to
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  Speaker 2: the Financial Review how much hold homes a court might
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  Speaker 2: have over them, And what about the rights of taxpayers
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  Speaker 2: and voters to know about the truth, to know the
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  Speaker 2: truth about who does what in politics and why we
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  Speaker 2: need transparency and accountability. And the tills after all, campaigned
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  Speaker 2: on integrity in politics. You only have to go to
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  Speaker 2: the political donations to see how close the links are
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  Speaker 2: between homes a court and the tills.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, Spender received.
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  Speaker 2: Nearly two million dollars in donations to run her expensive campaign,
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  Speaker 2: and the largest single donor was Climate two hundred. Other
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  Speaker 2: reports totaled the donations from homes of courts Climate two
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  Speaker 2: hundred to spenders campaign at more than seven hundred thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 2: while across all candidates, Climate two hundred spent almost six
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  Speaker 2: million dollars. That's a lot of money in our political system,
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  Speaker 2: and it helped to unseat six liberal MPs, So that
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  Speaker 2: money wielded a lot of power, overt covert or not.
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  Speaker 1: And if the.
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  Speaker 2: Tials really believe in political integrity, they would be open
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  Speaker 2: and upfront about their relationship with Simon Holmes a Court,
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  Speaker 2: not trying to keep it out of the papers. A
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  Speaker 2: stark reminder today that Joe Biden is still around. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the US president is still in power. He's not up
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  Speaker 2: to the job, as you know, which is why we
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  Speaker 2: hardly hear from him. It's a worrying situation for America
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  Speaker 2: and the free world. But it's also a worry for
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  Speaker 2: his vice president, Kamala Harris because when he does turn
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  Speaker 2: up in public upset her campaign as it did today.
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  Speaker 14: Thinks he has a reader of the Streame Court ruling
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  Speaker 14: on immunity to be able to need me if it
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  Speaker 14: was the case to actually eliminate, physically eliminate, should kill
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  Speaker 14: someone who is he needs to be a thread to him.
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  Speaker 14: I mean, so, I know this sounds bizarre. It sounds
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  Speaker 14: like I said this five years ago.
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  Speaker 1: You liked me up.
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  Speaker 15: We gotta like him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, At least he knows it sounds bizarre. These
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  Speaker 2: wild claims about shooting people and demanding Trump should.
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  Speaker 1: Be locked up.
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  Speaker 2: It all just goes to show how deep this Trump
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  Speaker 2: derangement syndrome really is. Biden seemed to realize his mistake
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  Speaker 2: and tried to tidy it up.
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  Speaker 14: We gotta like him politically, like him.
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  Speaker 1: Really politically locking him up? What is that?
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  Speaker 2: It just makes no sense. It just makes the whole
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  Speaker 2: thing worse. With Poles looking tight now and giving a
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  Speaker 2: lot of encouragement to Trump, the Democrats are in panic mode.
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  Speaker 2: Barack Obama sounds like he's trying to warn people that
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  Speaker 2: Trump could lose his faculties as badly as Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 15: You'd be worried if Grandpa was acting like this. You
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  Speaker 15: call up your brother, you call up your cousins, you say,
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  Speaker 15: have you noticed?
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  Speaker 16: But this is coming from somebody who wants unchecked power.
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  Speaker 16: So Wisconsin, we do not need to see what an
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  Speaker 16: older lunear Donald Trump looks like with no guardrails. America's
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  Speaker 16: ready to turn the page.
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  Speaker 2: As for Trump, well, he's drawn attention to how Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris had no campaign events for the day, seemingly trying
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  Speaker 2: to minimize her exposure to voters.
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  Speaker 6: She's sleeping right now. She couldn't go on the trail.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you think when you have fourteen days left,
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  Speaker 6: you wouldn't be sleeping. She's not doing anything today. I
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  Speaker 6: should take one of that. We've gone fifty two days
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  Speaker 6: in a row, and I'm going fourteen more days, and
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  Speaker 6: we're going to have a big victory party, hopefully, and
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  Speaker 6: we're going to turn our country around. We're going to
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  Speaker 6: make it great again. As I say, we're going to
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  Speaker 6: make America great again.
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  Speaker 2: But going by her most recent public appearance, Harris understands
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  Speaker 2: the race is tight and she needs a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people to turn out and vote for her. At least
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what she was trying to say.
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  Speaker 17: And in many ways, let us look at the challenge
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  Speaker 17: then that we are being presented and not be overwhelmed
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  Speaker 17: by it. The batana is now in our hands to
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  Speaker 17: fight for, not against, but for this country we love.
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  Speaker 17: That's what we have the power to do.
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  Speaker 1: So let's own that.
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  Speaker 17: Dare I say, be joyful in what we will do
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  Speaker 17: in the process of owning that, which is knowing that
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  Speaker 17: we can and will build community and coalitions and remind
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  Speaker 17: people that we're all in this together. Let's not let
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  Speaker 17: the overwhelming nature of this strip us of our strength.
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  Speaker 17: That's how I feel about this.
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  Speaker 18: She's stopped talking that to applaud No one knows what
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  Speaker 18: she was saying. When you see these words sellingsers spilling out,
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  Speaker 18: it's pretty hard to question the Democrat strategy. Really, I mean,
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  Speaker 18: the more people see of the Veep, the less likely
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  Speaker 18: they'll be to vote for her. Let's go to pull
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  Speaker 18: in Hanson now, she joins me live from a Queensland
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  Speaker 18: the state facing the polls this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: I really want to focus on this state election campaign
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  Speaker 2: now because time is running out and you and I
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  Speaker 2: haven't spoken enough about it.
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  Speaker 1: You've got your.
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  Speaker 2: Own chief of staff, James Ashby, running and at first
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  Speaker 2: up do you think he's going to win in Kepel?
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  Speaker 1: Is he going to get himself into state Parliament and
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  Speaker 1: you'll be without a chief of staff? Then I'm not.
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  Speaker 19: Worried about that.
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  Speaker 16: Chris.
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  Speaker 19: Actually I encouraged him to stand for the seat of
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  Speaker 19: Keppel the Queensland state election, so if he wins the seats,
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  Speaker 19: I'm responsible for that. But he's hard work as well, Chris.
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  Speaker 19: For nearly a year, he's been campaigning for that seat.
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  Speaker 19: He's not taking it for granted either, am I. I
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  Speaker 19: think he's got a very good chance. I think he's
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  Speaker 19: got them concerned to the point where the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 19: now are putting out brochures saying that James Ashby only
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  Speaker 19: his seat, is going to support the Labor Green's government
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  Speaker 19: and we've made a pledge that we have no intentions
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  Speaker 19: of ever ever supporting labor government in Queensland again, So
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  Speaker 19: that's how scared they are.
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  Speaker 1: Chris, there's false.
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  Speaker 19: Information they're putting out And Christer fully said in his
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  Speaker 19: campaign yesterday and mister Bates said, we believe in truth
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  Speaker 19: and advertising. They can't even do it leading up to
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  Speaker 19: the election. You can't trust either one of them. Untrustworthy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's have a look at the polls here that
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  Speaker 2: the polls have got a big gap on the two
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  Speaker 2: party preferred vote, near enough to forty five fifty five.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's expecting a change of government.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a bit of speculation and I heard this
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  Speaker 2: when I was in Brisbane just a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: that people think it might not be quite the thumping
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  Speaker 2: for labor that many have expected. Do you think that
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Miles has actually pulled a lot of people back
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  Speaker 2: to labor during the campaign.
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  Speaker 19: No, I don't, No, I don't. I'm the polling boose.
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  Speaker 19: I don't see many people taking the labor how to
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  Speaker 19: bout cards at all? So liberal look like they will
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  Speaker 19: win this election, but will they win it in their
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  Speaker 19: own right? A lot of people tell me they don't
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  Speaker 19: like Christoph Ley as a leader he's not strong enough,
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  Speaker 19: he's not decisive enough, and they don't have trust in him.
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  Speaker 19: Christoph fully has supported the labor he's put it with treaty,
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  Speaker 19: he's put it against nuclear he's you know, this land
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  Speaker 19: grab by Aboriginal corporations. Done nothing to stop it. Six
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  Speaker 19: point seven million hectors handed back to Aboriginal corporations. Did
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  Speaker 19: nothing about Tabia. They've just lost their reserve out there,
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  Speaker 19: ninety four percent of it to an Aboriginal corporation. So
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  Speaker 19: we're the only ones that the people trust and that
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  Speaker 19: came out in morgan Pole that we're the most trusted
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  Speaker 19: party out there. So you know, we're the only ones
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  Speaker 19: foundation to actually stand up for the issues of Queensland
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  Speaker 19: as the hospital issue, the teaching issue, the work agenda,
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  Speaker 19: you know, all these problems just on the issues, we're
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  Speaker 19: the only ones.
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  Speaker 2: Let me raise one of these key issues because there
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  Speaker 2: was the Sky News People's Forum last night there was
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  Speaker 2: a big focus on crime.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at what both leaders had to
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  Speaker 1: say there.
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  Speaker 10: And if government changes by the end of the year,
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  Speaker 10: the making Queensland safe for laws will be lost, Adult crime,
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  Speaker 10: adult time detensions, the last result will be removed and
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  Speaker 10: the rights of victims will be embedded in legislation.
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  Speaker 11: This is a very complex issue. And the idea that
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  Speaker 11: you can fix it with a four word slogan that
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  Speaker 11: you yourself got from a focus group, it's just misleading people.
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  Speaker 11: What it takes is a comprehensive plan informed by the experts.
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  Speaker 2: Paul and obviously, crime and in particular youth crime is
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  Speaker 2: a big problem, has been a mess under labor and
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  Speaker 2: Chris A fully has a plan, has some ideas to
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  Speaker 2: tackle it.
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  Speaker 19: I don't believe he has. You see what they do
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  Speaker 19: all the time as band aid at Chris. They're not
• 18:34
  Speaker 19: ripping off the band aid and going back to the problems.
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  Speaker 19: It's starting the educational system. Teachers lost control of the classrooms.
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  Speaker 19: Kids can get away and do whatever they want to.
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  Speaker 19: These kids are coming from dysfunctional times. They have no
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  Speaker 19: self respect, They have no respect for anyone of authority.
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  Speaker 1: A slap on the wrist.
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  Speaker 19: There's only three hundred and six detention beds throughout the state.
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  Speaker 19: Bring in hard Yaka. It is a program that's run
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  Speaker 19: by Bob Davies outside Mirrabara. They've had five hundred kids
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  Speaker 19: go through the program since two thousand and nine. With
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  Speaker 19: the ninety seven percent success.
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  Speaker 1: Rate with it.
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  Speaker 19: That's what we intend to bring in, Pauline panel.
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  Speaker 1: Let me interrupt you because two things I want to
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  Speaker 1: go do quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Firstly, if we just go to the screens here and
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  Speaker 2: bring up these pictures for everybody, you stay with us, Pauline,
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  Speaker 2: But I just want to show people what we're looking
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  Speaker 2: at here. This is live pictures from Samoa, the Samoan
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  Speaker 2: capital Apia, where King Charles the Third and Queen Camilla
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  Speaker 2: have arrived obviously after leaving Sydney earlier today. They've arrived
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: in Samoa for the Chogham meeting which will be happening
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  Speaker 2: over the next few days. Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi be
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  Speaker 2: heading over there to tomorrow as well, so we'll keep
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: those pictures going in the bottom right of screen. But
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that's what you're looking at there now, live from Upia, Samoa.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Quite a lovely little town that one is. Ha been
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: there many many years ago. Just finally though, for you, Pauline,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I wanted to come back to federal politics and Lydia Thoorpe.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: We all know the antiics she's been up to the
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: last few days. But what about this cheap shot on
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the ABC at you from Murray what to the government minister,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: have a look.
• 20:03
  Speaker 20: What we saw from Lydia Thorpe today is what we
• 20:05
  Speaker 20: see pretty much every week in the Senate between her
• 20:09
  Speaker 20: and Pauline Hansen to senators, one of which is from Queensland.
• 20:14
  Speaker 20: Pretty much not a week goes by without the two
• 20:16
  Speaker 20: of them at each other's throats, disrupting the Senate, trying
• 20:21
  Speaker 20: and to use Susan's we're in your grandstand.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Look we haven't got.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Much time, Pauline, but he's saying you're as bad as
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: each other. Doesn't Lydia Thope constantly abuse you in the Senate?
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: She does.
• 20:33
  Speaker 19: That's an absolute lie that Murray Watters said there. That's
• 20:36
  Speaker 19: not I actually asked to be moved away from her.
• 20:38
  Speaker 19: I had a mean Penny Wong and Simon Birmingham and
• 20:41
  Speaker 19: to the President An, I had to move away from her.
• 20:44
  Speaker 19: She's shirt fronted me. She's abusive the way she talks
• 20:47
  Speaker 19: to me. When I'm actually saw a Parliament, I don't
• 20:50
  Speaker 19: give out the abuse. I don't even talk to her,
• 20:51
  Speaker 19: have nothing to do with her. I'm actually going to
• 20:53
  Speaker 19: chase up and refer her to the High Court. I'm
• 20:56
  Speaker 19: going to look at this procedure. She admits that she
• 20:59
  Speaker 19: never gave we have the oath of allegiance, which he
• 21:01
  Speaker 19: should under Section forty two of the Extrained Constitution. If not,
• 21:04
  Speaker 19: we refer her under the news laws passed by the
• 21:07
  Speaker 19: Privileges that was October the fourteenth of this year. Therefore
• 21:11
  Speaker 19: recommendation should be made.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: It's worth new law's part worth looking at all that. Yep,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: we saw her antics, so we saw her rejected so often.
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: There.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: All right, you want to get rid of it, We'll
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: come back to you and talk to you again next week.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Pauline. I appreciate it. I should
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: mention also chogghum means Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting. That's
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the meeting in some more of the Commonwealth heads of government,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: so that we lead us right around the world, right
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: around the Commonwealth there as well as our own. Now,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I want to get back onto energy and blackout. Bone
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: is forging ahead, as I talked about at the top
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of the program, with Labour's green dreams. He's largely oblivious
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to the concerns from farmers about transmission lines and wind farms.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Here he is on Instagram.
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: Renewable energy is now forty two percent of our energy group,
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: up from around thirty percent when we came to office,
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: and big new investment figures showing that this year we
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: could add around seven gigawats of new renewable energy. Now
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: that would be enough to power three and a half
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: million homes. So we're getting on with the job.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: He says that like it's a good thing. But there's
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: some good news for farmers in New South Wales, so
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: now be able to raise complaints about renewable projects with
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the energy onwardsman I asked the New South Wales Farmers
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Federation president Xavier Martin whether this was a breakthrough.
• 22:29
  Speaker 21: Look, it's really good to finally see the government recognize
• 22:32
  Speaker 21: the need for a fair, independent and effective avenue for
• 22:37
  Speaker 21: rural families and farmers in particular to address the issues
• 22:41
  Speaker 21: that are just legacy now with renewable developers. It's just
• 22:45
  Speaker 21: about an unholy rush and there's just an extraordinary backlog
• 22:50
  Speaker 21: of issues to resolve.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: There are just so many controversies around the country, whether
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: it's offshore wind turbine play, whether it's a transmission lines,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: whether a solar farms or wind farms on agricultural land
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: right across Australia. Why would an ombardsman help? How can
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: that help? Surely this is just going to be another
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: process to get ticked off. They hard they have any teeth,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: do they?
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Well, we need them to have teeth. And look, Chris,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: I refuse to call them farms.
• 23:21
  Speaker 21: Farms produce food and buy them and these wind complexes
• 23:24
  Speaker 21: and solar installations are not farms. What they are is
• 23:29
  Speaker 21: a very ill thought through an unplanned, unholy rush, just
• 23:33
  Speaker 21: a taxpayer subsidized mess. And that's why we need an
• 23:37
  Speaker 21: ombodsman with teeth that gets out there comes to grips
• 23:41
  Speaker 21: with all the issues we accepted New South Past Farmers Association.
• 23:44
  Speaker 21: If there's a push from all sides of politics and
• 23:47
  Speaker 21: big business with that taxpayer carrot dangling in front of
• 23:51
  Speaker 21: them to get into all these so called renewables, and
• 23:54
  Speaker 21: they all have this desire to get things done immediately,
• 23:57
  Speaker 21: if not yes yesterday. But farmers are is to this
• 24:00
  Speaker 21: sort of nonsense. We're soon to be poor and we
• 24:03
  Speaker 21: need to make sure it's done well. That it's got
• 24:05
  Speaker 21: to be the right thing in the right place, done
• 24:07
  Speaker 21: the right way, not just a great big mess that
• 24:11
  Speaker 21: takes our precious productive potential away.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: The next thing, we're running out of food and clothe.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a mess at the moment, there's no
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: doubt about it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And your right governments around the country are plowing into
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: this stuff big time now. So you've got the ombardsman
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: now able to look at this in New South Wales,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the Ombardsman in New South Wales, the energy ombardsman is
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Janine Young. She to look at her website, she's pretty
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: woken into social justice and all this. So good luck
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: getting hurt of sort is shoes out for you. But
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: of course there are so many battles in other states
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: as well. And at the same time you've got the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: federal Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen telling the
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: country that all is going swimmingly in this renewables transition.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I mean it's not, is it? When is reality?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Got to confront the federal government and the investors in
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: this stuff, because communities are so angry about this from coast.
• 25:05
  Speaker 21: To coast, absolutely, Chris, And look, we've seen enormous termoil
• 25:11
  Speaker 21: right across the landscape. And we've actually taken the state Treasurer,
• 25:15
  Speaker 21: the state Energy and Environment Minister, and the state Agriculture
• 25:19
  Speaker 21: Minister to their credit, they've come out to the central
• 25:21
  Speaker 21: West of Rana region and seeing firsthand the tom foolery
• 25:25
  Speaker 21: that's gone on, the ridiculous decisions that have made. They
• 25:28
  Speaker 21: made to take the cheapest upfront options and just pick
• 25:32
  Speaker 21: one overhead transmission lines. You know what, a nonsense undergrounding
• 25:39
  Speaker 21: of gridlines is occurring all over the world because it's
• 25:42
  Speaker 21: a solution that saves money in the long term, saves
• 25:45
  Speaker 21: on maintenance, reduces transmission losses, preserves dable farm land hello,
• 25:51
  Speaker 21: reduces bushfire risks.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Hello. You know these are all important things.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Well the agriculture ministers, then where where's the federal and
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the state agriculture around the country.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: They should be on your side.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: They should be after protecting agricultural land and regional communities
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and regional landscapes. They should be on board with you.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: But they seem to be going all in on the
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: renewables transition as well.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, definitely.
• 26:14
  Speaker 21: The federal minister's just been hijacked by mentioned Minister bow
• 26:18
  Speaker 21: On a minute ago that Look, the state minister has
• 26:20
  Speaker 21: to a credit been very engaged and I think she
• 26:22
  Speaker 21: was the reason we've got the state Energy and Environment
• 26:25
  Speaker 21: Minister and the Treasurer to come out and have a
• 26:27
  Speaker 21: look at the mess. And so now we've got this
• 26:30
  Speaker 21: ombursman in place, this announcement. We've still going to see
• 26:32
  Speaker 21: them perform as you refer to. But we know we
• 26:35
  Speaker 21: need this effort. We know we need this ever extending
• 26:41
  Speaker 21: global effort around energy generation. But we also have an
• 26:45
  Speaker 21: expanded population that needs food and clothing. So as we speak,
• 26:50
  Speaker 21: as we speak, these complexes are doing things as farmers
• 26:54
  Speaker 21: that we will be illegal. They are clearing trees, they
• 26:58
  Speaker 21: are changing the landscape, changing the water run off the
• 27:02
  Speaker 21: hills and mountains, so.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Doing all sorts of things because of some pseudo moral
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: imperody that we must headle or USh into renewals.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: You are right, you are so right.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: The way that bush is cleared for wind factories or
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: solar factories or transmission lines would never be tolerated. The
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: laws prevent farmers from clearing land on that skull.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Xavier, continue the battle. I will
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: keep keep in touch.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Thanks Chris.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this energy stuff is such a shambles, And I've
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: just got some instant feedback from a viewer who tells
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: me I was wrong saying it's the Commonwealth.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Heads of governments meeting.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: It's actually the cheap Holidays on Government money conference.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: A lot of people might agree.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Now, don't go away after the break, Clear Lemon will
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: join me to talking about another assault on freedom of
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: speech looming in this country. This time is Victoria with
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: new anti vilification laws. Now, as you know, freedom of
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: expression is under assault in this country on a number
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: of fronts. But there's a new battleground in Victoria with
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the state government looking to overhaul anti vilification laws. Premier
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: just Saint to Alan says it's all about clamping down
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: on hate speech.
• 28:17
  Speaker 19: There is absolutely no place in our society for hate speech,
• 28:21
  Speaker 19: but also to continue to strengthen our great and strong
• 28:25
  Speaker 19: multicultural community.
• 28:27
  Speaker 16: So we are going through a final set of consultation, arey.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they always say that we're all against hate speed
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: of course, but critics point out that the laws are
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: going to hamper free speech by lowering the threshold and
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: broadening the grounds for vilification. Claire Lehman is the founding
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: editor of Collette and she's a contributor with the Australian newspaper.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Joins me on the set again. Good to see you again, Claire.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Now I hadn't been aware of this till you wrote
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: about it in The Australian, a great column. This is
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: very worrying because we know what how racial vilification laws
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: nationally have been misused against people. The process often hurts
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: people rather than any findings. This explained to people how
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: these rules would be expanded under these proposed Victorian laws.
• 29:11
  Speaker 22: So the proposal is that the law will be expanded
• 29:15
  Speaker 22: to from race and religion, so you can't realify anyone
• 29:18
  Speaker 22: according to their race and religion to you can't realify
• 29:21
  Speaker 22: anyone according to their sexuality, their sex characteristics, their disability status,
• 29:29
  Speaker 22: and I think it might be mental illness. So this
• 29:33
  Speaker 22: is a problem, particularly for women feminists who don't want
• 29:37
  Speaker 22: to have their bathrooms or change rooms occupied by you know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 22: trans women. Any kind of criticism of transactivists in particular
• 29:50
  Speaker 22: will fall under this legislation. And now the scary thing
• 29:53
  Speaker 22: is that the penalties that are proposed by the Victorian
• 29:56
  Speaker 22: government are three to five years in jail, good lord,
• 30:00
  Speaker 22: And they've lowered the threshold so that you can breach
• 30:04
  Speaker 22: the law. The standard is that prior to their proposed changes,
• 30:11
  Speaker 22: you have to incite hatred. You actually have to incite hatred.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But now the.
• 30:16
  Speaker 22: Responsibility falls on the person who's offended. So as long
• 30:20
  Speaker 22: as you offend someone, doesn't matter what your intent is,
• 30:24
  Speaker 22: that's the criteria on which you've breached the law.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was going to be inciting hatred.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Now it could be likely to incite hatred, as you say,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: lowering that threshold, broadening it all out, to put it
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: in simple terms, to expand the sort of number of
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: potential victims. And as you say, once you bring in
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: sexuality and gender, you can see where this is going.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: If you just call a trans.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Woman a biological man, that'll be interpreted as vilification and.
• 30:51
  Speaker 22: It could be up for jil to And that's already happening.
• 30:54
  Speaker 22: People are already hyper sensitive. They're already making complaints to
• 30:58
  Speaker 22: various commissioners because people just point out. Sometimes people get
• 31:02
  Speaker 22: in trouble just for pointing out facts like the transgender
• 31:05
  Speaker 22: status of a sexual offender. And so these are the
• 31:09
  Speaker 22: kinds of things that people in Victoria going to get
• 31:11
  Speaker 22: in trouble for. And it's going to be there's going
• 31:15
  Speaker 22: to be a huge chill on speech because you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 22: people won't even enter the debate if you're risking going
• 31:21
  Speaker 22: to jail for offending someone.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And we know how the dampening effect already we're having
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: with laws and also with some of the rules put
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: in place by broadcasting authorities and the like, and just
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: the political correct nature of speech.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: There's a real dampening on. Friend in Pusuy. We need
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: to be able to debate these issues openly. This is
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: getting worse. Do Victorians know about this or has it
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: been kept very quiet?
• 31:48
  Speaker 22: I haven't seen much debate at all in the media.
• 31:51
  Speaker 22: I haven't seen anyone in Victoria really coming out and
• 31:55
  Speaker 22: fighting this change to the legislation.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Where are the opposition there? The coal the Liberal.
• 32:00
  Speaker 22: Party leap at the wheel.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: So that's the problem, isn't it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: This is why you need robust oppositions to point out
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: about proposed laws like this, explain what the risks are,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a campaign against it. And we know the history tells
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: us if laws like this were to be passed in Victoria,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: soon enough, labor governments around the states would follow suit.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: This would become.
• 32:22
  Speaker 22: National Absolutely, it's a slippery slope, and if these laws
• 32:26
  Speaker 22: are passed in Victoria, it will set a really dangerous
• 32:29
  Speaker 22: precedent for the rest of the country.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you've been a campaigner on freedom of speech
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: across a whole lot of areas for a long time,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: very consistent on a Claire, So thanks for joining us.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks Chris Claire Leman there from Corlette's magazine and she
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: writes weekly in the Australia. Now let us know, particularly
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: if you're in Victoria, what you know about these proposed
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: laws and what you think about it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: We'll follow it up further. Now we've got to take
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: a break.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, I'm going to catch
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: up with National's leader David Little Proud. We'll talk about
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: blackout Bowen's renewables fantasy, facing those hard truths that we
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: talked about at the top of the program. Let's go
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: to the great town of Dubbo, out on the western
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: plains of New South Wales and catch up with the Nationals.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Leader, David Little Proud. Good to catch up with you, David.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: There's some bad economic news around today, on the broader
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: economy and on energy. I want to get your reaction
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: first up to what Matt Canavan flushed out of the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Australian Energy Market Operator in this committee hearing today.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Have a listen, but you're saying you cannot guarantee that
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: the current government policy settings which you model will deliver
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: lower power prices.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: I can't guarantee that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: No, David Little Proud that the market operator can't guarantee
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: lower prices under the government's model.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: What does this tell us, Well, Anthony albereneasy lied to us.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: He made a promise that he modeled that he could
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: give you two hundred and seventy five dollars reduction energy
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: bill if you went down this all renewables approach that
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: he's taken us down. He made that promise nearly one
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: hundred times before the election, that you get two hundred
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: and seventy five dollars off your electricity bill. And now
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: the cat's out of that bag. When a EMO run
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: the ruler over it, they can't do that and you're
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: not experiencing that. And this just goes to show whether
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: it was tax that he wouldn't touch tax, whether you
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: wouldn't touch superannuation. You can't trust Anthony Albanezi, and unfortunately
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: he's not prepared, along with Chris Bowen, to wake up
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: and understand that he has to face up to the
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: structural challenges of our energy grid. And then you can't
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: put all your energy eggs in one basket. No country
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: of the industrial scale of the size of Australia is
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: running down in all renewables approach. It is pure insanity.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: And you are paying the bill for it now, and
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: you are going to pay a higher bill today from
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: the evidence given by email.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: And this is something I spent a lot of time
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: talking about and I've been focused on.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: It for a decade or more and it's just even
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: worse than the that though.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I think what we heard today because Daniel Westerman, the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: head of AEMO, the head of the National Energy Market Operator,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: says that he doesn't even model. He doesn't even look
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: at what the end cost to consumers will be. They
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: don't even work out what's going to cost consumers more
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: or less. Yet they're the body the government keeps referring
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: to when it decides whether or not to have renewables
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: only approached, whether or not to.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Have more gas, or whether or not to look at nuclear.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: The government's rule all that out without having anybody look
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: at the end cost to consumer.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is the frightening thing is the modeling
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: that they had done said that we'll get a reduction,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: and then the government agencies, the government agencies that they
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: do get to run the ruler over these things aren't
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: doing the legwork they should be, and then they try
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: and inject CSIO into it, but actually getting them to
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: run the ruler over with only part of the information.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: One in terms of the period of which these plants
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: can run eighty two one hundred year a nuclear power plant,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: a window of solar turbine only lasts for about ten
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: to fifteen years, and you have to redo it again.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: It doesn't take into account because they didn't know, and
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: they don't know yet what our total grid mix will
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: be of what capacity that nuclear plan will be going.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: And in fact CSORRO we're measuring that at a capacity
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: somewhere between sixty and eighty percent. So of course it
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: was going to be a deer in what it was doing.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: And it hasn't factored in the thousands of kilometers of
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: transmission lines you're going to need to do all renewables.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: We've done all the low hanging fruit new exists in
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: transmission lines. And just think if they build all these
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: new transmission lines and then they don't replace those wind
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: turbines and solar panels. In ten to fifteen year time,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: you're going to have transmission lines going to nowhere.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: It is scandless and what we know today, there's been
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: no real independent analysis of the options here. It's just
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanesi going off their ideology or
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the gap field.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: So you neither back them or back the the.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: CEOs of Google and Amazon and Microsoft and Oracle. I
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: think those big companies in the US might have a
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: better idea of what the economics are here. Just briefly though,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: on the broader economy, this warning from the International Monetary
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Fund that Australia's inflation rate is going to remain above
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: three percent through next year. That is the worst of
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: all the developed economies in the world. Effectively, that means
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: interest rates are going to stay high.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going to stay high, up for longer because
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: of Anthony Albanesi. He can't blame lad Putin for this.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: This is all homemade. It's been homegrown here in Canberra
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: by Anthony Alberanesi and Jim Charmers. They've been spending your
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: money's and they haven't been facing up to the structural
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: challenges that we just talked about in fact they've spent
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: six and a half billion dollars of your money to
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: paper over the cracks and to give you a subsidy
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: and a rebate on your electricity bill, rather than actually
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: addressing the real core issue, which is supply and getting
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: supply into the energy grid quicker, which can do with gas,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: but actually addressing the fundamentals in the long term with nuclear.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: This is what they haven't done, and that's why it's
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: costing you more. They've spent a lot of your money
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: and you're going to pay higher interest.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Rates for longer.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: And they've let immigration get out of control. And this
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: is where you can solve the nation's problems with not
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: spending all your money by just using some common sense,
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: getting back to basics. And that's what Peter Dutton and
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: I will do. Get back to basics, a sensible energy
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: policy in the short and long term, and then a
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: sensible migration policy. They'll give you some hope that you
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: might own a home one day.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, David, I appreciate it. National's leader
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: David Little proud. They're coming to us live from Dubble.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: You can see the pictures of the Zebras over his shoulder.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: They don't have wild.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Zebra's in dub They have a wonderful zoo, the Western
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Plain and Zoo. If you ever get the chance to
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: take the kids out there on a road trip, you
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: must do it now. After the break the Wednesday Rangel
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: will talk about Labour's economic mess with this inflation news
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: and also two weeks till the election day in the
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: US and Donald Trump is looking pretty confident, so much
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: to get through with the wrangle of course. Join him
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: on the desk is Scott News hostly story. Good to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: see you, Liz, And joining us in Melbourne is Justin Smith. Justin,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: let's start off on some more wasted taxpayers money, this
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: time the Victorian taxpayers over the commonwarf games that got
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: ditched the Glass Weedion in Scotland.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: The Glass regions are lapping it up.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: They love what's going on, having Victoria's games paid for
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: by Victoria.
• 39:31
  Speaker 23: Now, I thought maybe this is a new business that
• 39:33
  Speaker 23: Victoria could go in. You know, we get the ball
• 39:36
  Speaker 23: rolling on a major sporting event and then somebody else
• 39:40
  Speaker 23: sort of takes it over. I don't think we're going
• 39:42
  Speaker 23: to do too well on the bottom line here if
• 39:44
  Speaker 23: we keep doing that. But look it's I've got to say,
• 39:48
  Speaker 23: it's it continues to be an embarrassment.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Well, it's sure is. We should never have.
• 39:54
  Speaker 23: Got it that far down the track. We should never
• 39:56
  Speaker 23: have said, Yes, I could said don't you love it?
• 39:58
  Speaker 23: Don't you just love us?
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: State?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Is that pays hundreds of millions of dollars not to
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: build a tunnel and hundreds of millions of dollars not
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: to have the Commonwealth Games.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: But the heralds some were onto this.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: They knew what people would be thinking about this back
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne, because they sent someone to Glasgo to gauge
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: the local reaction that somewhere else is here in Glasgow, Scotland,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: where I caught up with the locals to ask about
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: how they feel about the games coming here.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Help bring back some TuS one. It's some money, yeah, help.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't afford that. Basically you couldn't afford that sort.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: It's comedy. Glad, thanks time, thanksfectory. I love the way
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: we have subtitles for them, but that's just perfect language.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Apparently they can have the Commonwalth Games paid for by
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: these people in Australia.
• 40:47
  Speaker 12: It's a win win for them, so their economy is
• 40:50
  Speaker 12: going to boom thanks to this, all the accommodation that
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: will be booked, all the food, all the catering that
• 40:56
  Speaker 12: will take place, the packed out stadiums. Even if you
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: just had the athletes themselves descending upon Glasgow and barely
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: any crowds, you'd still make a dollar out of this.
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: And like you say, all courtesy are one Dan, And.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: How do we fight back over there? How do we
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: fight back? Do we get to ginderbind, steal the Highland
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Games or something like that. I don't want to go
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to war with the scott Let's go to.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Some more depressing news when it comes to the federal government.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I showed you before that headline of the IMF, the
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: International Monetary Funder looking at what's happening around the world.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: When it comes to inflation, it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Says Australia's doing worse than any other developed country along
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: with Slovakia, and our inflation rate's going to stay over
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: three percent.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: That's outside the band that the Reserve Bank wants all of.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Next year, which means justin we're looking at interest rates
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: remaining high.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: It means we don't get an interest rate cut possibly
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: for another year.
• 41:56
  Speaker 23: Yeah, and look at the and what we're hearing from
• 41:58
  Speaker 23: the government is the same that we'll hear from any government,
• 42:02
  Speaker 23: whether it be a blue government or a red government.
• 42:04
  Speaker 23: Is as you know, they love to take credit when
• 42:08
  Speaker 23: something goes well, and then when something doesn't go well,
• 42:12
  Speaker 23: they'll put it down to the Reserve Bank or they'll
• 42:16
  Speaker 23: put it down to somebody else. We hear this kind
• 42:18
  Speaker 23: of garbage from both sides, and we've had it for years,
• 42:22
  Speaker 23: and it's no different on this one. This one does
• 42:24
  Speaker 23: seem to be particularly bad set of numbers.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: It's a bad set of numbers. It's all driven by
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: government spending. It's largely driven by government spending.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: But have a look at this.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Jim Charmers on Sunday Night on Channel seven was suggesting
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: this was all behind us.
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: Well, I think when it comes to inflation specifically, the
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: worst is behind us. If you think about the fight
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: against inflation, the worst is behind us. The peak in
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: inflation is now in the rearview mirror.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Liz, I'm thinking of it like a multi python clip.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: He finishes saying that, and the IMF foot just stomp
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: on him because it's completely put the kibosh to what
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: he just said.
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: Where are you getting that from? Charmers, because, like you said,
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: the main driver, I would say the number. The only driver,
• 43:10
  Speaker 12: as Milton Freeman famously said, is government spend. Only government
• 43:15
  Speaker 12: can spend billions of dollars. They don't even have thrust
• 43:18
  Speaker 12: our country into debt. We then pay millions of dollars
• 43:22
  Speaker 12: just in the interest on our own debt. And here's
• 43:25
  Speaker 12: a government who simply hasn't stopped spending even after the
• 43:30
  Speaker 12: debt that we plunged ourselves into, post COVID lockdowns, the pandemic,
• 43:35
  Speaker 12: all the stuff that we purchased for that. But I
• 43:38
  Speaker 12: also love what Milton Freeman said about this, because he said,
• 43:42
  Speaker 12: when you think of what drives government inflation, it's you
• 43:46
  Speaker 12: and me. It's us because they keep spending because who
• 43:50
  Speaker 12: doesn't love a handout? They keep spending because people love babe.
• 43:56
  Speaker 12: And when when have you heard do people rise up
• 44:01
  Speaker 12: and say, no, we want some frugality. We do children's
• 44:05
  Speaker 12: children being off your debt.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Why you need grown up politicians freebies? We need grown
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: up politicians. Too many politicians. This is what people want.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: We're only give them what they want. Give them the alternative.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Howard government did it, the Kendet governments
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: did it in Victoria eons ago.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: It can be done successfully. Be going to be adult about.
• 44:24
  Speaker 12: It, and it can be sold to the people before
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: they go to the vote and just say, look, guys,
• 44:29
  Speaker 12: we need to tighten our belts. We need to be
• 44:31
  Speaker 12: responsible here, and responsible people will say I'm going to
• 44:34
  Speaker 12: vote for these guys because this is out of hand
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: and we want to see government spending cut.
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: It was.
• 44:41
  Speaker 12: It was Harvey and Malay within six months when he
• 44:44
  Speaker 12: became president in Argentina cut inflation from twenty five percent
• 44:49
  Speaker 12: to just four point two percent in six months. Why
• 44:52
  Speaker 12: he cuts off happending by thirty percent. It's that simple.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: We are still growing it here where will not equal? See,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: we all know it. It is as you say in
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: iron Lore.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: When all the stimulus for COVID came in, we knew
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: that was going to create an inflation problem. Yes, we've
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: done nothing to rein it in just on a related
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: issue though, justin we know one of the drivers of
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the government spending and private spending at the moment is
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: this so called renewables transition. What about the news today
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: from the Australian Energy Market Operator that it can't guarantee
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: this is going to push prices down.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: That's a huge hole in the Labor's argument, isn't it.
• 45:30
  Speaker 23: Well, as you know, I'm a big believer in renewables.
• 45:33
  Speaker 23: Not a backer of the Labor Party, but a big
• 45:35
  Speaker 23: believer in renewables. But what here's the plan on both
• 45:38
  Speaker 23: those things, on the inflation and the energy prices is
• 45:41
  Speaker 23: we've got an election coming up, and it's going to
• 45:43
  Speaker 23: be up to people like the three of us to
• 45:46
  Speaker 23: be asking hard questions on both sides, not just on
• 45:50
  Speaker 23: one side, but asking questions on both sides on what
• 45:53
  Speaker 23: they're going to be doing about it.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: If you could get Chris Bowen, if you could get it,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: that's our plan. If you could get.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen to come here and answer some questions, I'd
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: love to. Or Daniel Westman, the head of a email,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: get him along.
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: If you think our politics are crazy, you only have
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: to go across the Pacific and cher check out the US.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look again at what Joe Biden's latest contribution.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: To political debate in the US has been.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants him to lock up Donald Trump politically locking.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Up and for what exactly? Before that, he'd gone on
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: so fraud.
• 46:37
  Speaker 12: Really really, it's hard to put together. No, he's not
• 46:42
  Speaker 12: a fraud, or you want to talk about a fraud
• 46:46
  Speaker 12: to Biden laptop my friend.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, we haven't got time to reprosecute. We
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: have not hang on it. We have not got time
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to reprosecute, reprosecute the last eight years. Come on, it
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: was never done for But Joe Biden saying lock up Trump, politically,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: lock him up. He knew he'd made him. It was
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: a silly thing to say.
• 47:07
  Speaker 12: It's just nuts, right, absolutely, But before that, he was
• 47:10
  Speaker 12: rambling on about he's going to get rid of the
• 47:13
  Speaker 12: entire education Department.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Like that would be a bad thing. He was rambling
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: on about.
• 47:18
  Speaker 12: He's going to lock up his political opponents, but we
• 47:21
  Speaker 12: need to lock him up. It was just sheer, fearmongering, nonsense.
• 47:26
  Speaker 12: But of course this is where Trump arrangements.
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: In this up.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the problem.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Though just yet he's not running, he's not running the
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: country and he's not running for the presidency. But it
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't help Kamala Harris's campaign. She's actually trying to stay
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: out of the media because when she talks an engine disaster,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: they're in a bit of a panic at the moment.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: The Democrats, aren't they.
• 47:48
  Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, I don't think she's doing a really good job.
• 47:51
  Speaker 23: I'd love to see her just sell the dream a bit.
• 47:54
  Speaker 23: I got the feeling that she tried to out Trump
• 47:57
  Speaker 23: just a little bit, you know, going after him, looking
• 48:00
  Speaker 23: about him being stupid and all that. I think she
• 48:02
  Speaker 23: shan't will and truly behind. Let's see if we can
• 48:04
  Speaker 23: get the earlier in the.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Program, because you're just saying you want Kamala Harris to
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: sort of would like to see her selling the dream
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: a bit. I did have a clip earlier in the
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: program of Kamala Harris selling the Dreamer.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: We have got it or not, we're haven't sorry, we
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: can't get it back up.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: But when she tries to sell the dream justin she
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: just gives us words, sellings about the moment in time,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: and that's all the grab out moment.
• 48:29
  Speaker 23: You know, it's no, I'm not i'm not, I'm not,
• 48:33
  Speaker 23: I'm not here sort of saying that she's the greatest
• 48:35
  Speaker 23: thing since Slight Spid. But I would really love to
• 48:38
  Speaker 23: see her test him out a bit, because she's giving him,
• 48:41
  Speaker 23: she's giving very free run at the moment. Look, maybe
• 48:46
  Speaker 23: maybe she isn't. But you know, like we catches, you know,
• 48:49
  Speaker 23: I can't let Trump just have a clean run to
• 48:51
  Speaker 23: the election.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it's it's pretty messy. They lock him up. Vote
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: fans ah. I think the whole systems a joke. But
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: it's hell, it's very entertaining. I want JD. Vans to
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: be president. I might get my wish to just quickly.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: An amazing story in the Hunter Valley in New South
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Wales a woman fold down a crevis stuck upside down
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: for hours. Let's have a look at how it was
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: reported in America.
• 49:22
  Speaker 24: An Australian woman who was stuck upside down between two
• 49:27
  Speaker 24: boulders for seven hours. Now, this picture shows what rescuers
• 49:31
  Speaker 24: were seeing when they were there. They saw just her
• 49:34
  Speaker 24: feet in the air between the rocks. Now, the woman
• 49:37
  Speaker 24: was walking with some friends in the country town.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: There.
• 49:39
  Speaker 24: You see her feet there, That's what they saw. They
• 49:42
  Speaker 24: were walking in the countrytown of Laguna. She dropped her phone,
• 49:46
  Speaker 24: so when she tried to go and get it, she
• 49:47
  Speaker 24: slipped face first into a crevice, hanging there for hours.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: What an amazing effort to rescue her.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: And moral of the story is, sometimes if you be
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: a phone just go without the phone, leave all right.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Justin and Liz always good wrangling
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: on a Wednesday.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me again. I'll be back tomorrow night
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: at five o'clock. Cheers,